|Site dropped in search rankings||koffeeNut||9/4/13 3:00 AM|
I've read the FAQs and searched the help center.
My URL is: http://goo.gl/AMtijY
This morning I noticed a sudden drop in my search rankings (around 90%). I didn't done anything that is against the Guidelines.
Until now I checked:
- no crawl errors
- no malware
- no black hat SEO, paid backlinks, or any other bad things
- no other error messages in both Webmasters tool and Adsense.
I just noticed is a huge number of back-links (around 3000) from a Indonesian and a Japanese, no quality websites and I submitted them for removal using the Google Disavow links tool.
If is more that I can do please share your valuable ideas. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
|Re: Site dropped in search rankings||Robbo||9/4/13 3:10 AM|
It is not generally a good idea to react immediately to a sudden drop in traffic by disavowing links - the issue needs to be studied carefully and careful action taken following Google's recommendations/requirements.
First, traffic can vary from one day to another and there could be various temporary/transient factors that affect you badly on an individual day; I think traffic changes need to be studied over a period of time, days/weeks.
Second, if you have detected lots of spammy links to your site, the first question is "Are those links harmful or are they already being ignored by Google as worthless?"
If you decide that action needs to be taken to deal with those spammy links, you should first contact the site owners and try to get them removed at source.
The link disavowal process requires you to show that you have made your best efforts to get those links removed at source.
|Re: Site dropped in search rankings||koffeeNut||9/4/13 4:17 AM|
My mistake. Anyway I constantly monitored my traffic/search results since the beginning (3 years ago) and never had a similar issue.
The website is built on pure, old style html -- maintaining such a site and keeping up-to-date around 1000 pages is a huge work that requires lot of time and dedication that I voluntarily do on daily basis without the need of black hat techniques - just work 12/24, 7 days per week.
I simply don't understand why good, quality websites like mine are penalized, without any reason in my opinion. Thank you.
|Re: Site dropped in search rankings||koffeeNut||9/4/13 8:33 AM|
Seems that ALL THE DOWNLOAD REPOSITORY sites are affected by some new Panda change.
And also our website (Codecpack.co) is suffering the change. Does anyone has some idea about what's going on? Thanks!
|Re: Site dropped in search rankings||Paul Macnamara||9/4/13 8:37 AM|
Did this traffic drop occur in the past day or two?
Don't take this as criticism of you site because at first glance it looks to be a decent resource, but a lot of the pages could be considered pretty thin and might be they type of pages that could be targeted by Panda.
Panda is an algorithmic feature of Google that targets poor quality content for the purpose of improving user experience. Sites that have pages that have overlapping, duplicate, or thin content can be affected. While most sites have some pages that would be considered thin, Panda issues can arise when the ratio of thin pages in comparison to pages that would be considered to be robust is too high. While I am always hesitant to diagnose reasons for a traffic drop after a cursory look, I suspect that this might be the case in this instance.
|Re: Site dropped in search rankings||koffeeNut||9/4/13 9:03 AM|
I love criticism.
The traffic dropped this morning. I completely agree with you that some websites can or SHOULD be affected by Google for poor content or black hat SEO schemes, but I think is not my case. Like I said I work on daily bases 24/7 to keep up-to-date the site and error free.
Also i think there's also a Panda dilemma and I also explain why. Since we are talking about download repository websites I also think that is HARD to tell which one is good and which one is bad. Some sites like our website can have some original content (and being stolen like already happened in the past):
and some others not; that 's why perhaps Panda started to clean-up again the results on Google.
Also thin content (in my opinion) is questionable as being recognized by the Panda algorithm and again (in my opinion) our website is a trusted download site started around 3 years ago.
Let's take those for the comparison sake:
All from the above are links download sites just like ours but they are still ranking well. Are that pages offering thin content? I think yes, they are.
I'm not saying that my website is the best download site but I really don't understand why some download sites are penalized really hard by Panda starting from today and some others not while offering thin content.
And no, I'm not envious, I just want to understand what is happening because like I days previously I work on the website 24/7 - 12 hours per day: screenshots, software description everything is a SINGLE PERSON OPERATION and honestly I don't think I deserve this AFTER 3 YEARS OF HARD WORK.
I'm opened to any kind of criticism so if something that I can do to be back on the Google results just like yesterday please let me know.
Thank you very much.
|Re: Site dropped in search rankings||Ben Griffiths||9/4/13 9:09 AM|
As far as criticism goes, this is a very similar complaint as I made about alternative.to, I despise this kind of advertising:
It's deceptive, and one thing Google has been binning lately is sites which make money by fucking with user expected behaviour/journey.
Intent or not, monetisation comes behind UX.
I'm talking about 7zip advert which 99% of people would assume is the download link for the utility described above.
|Re: Site dropped in search rankings||Paul Macnamara||9/4/13 9:28 AM|
What Ben said.
|Re: Site dropped in search rankings||koffeeNut||9/4/13 9:40 AM|
Talking about of deceptive ads on download repository websites:
Still those are NOT YET PENALIZED. Don't know what to think or what to do anymore. I'm tired to see crapware sites ranking well while trusted download sites getting penalized without a real, good reason.
|Re: Site dropped in search rankings||Ben Griffiths||9/4/13 9:43 AM|
Ranking is based on hundreds of factors, so all of you scoring badly for "has horrible adverts" or whatever doesn't correlate to the SERPs. Is your site as old as majorgeeks, for instance?
All you can do is the best possible job on your own site unfortunately, which isn't much help when the algorithm bites, but is a reason to go back to basics and to start differentiating.
FWIW the first place my eye was drawn on your majorgeeks grab turned out to be the download links, and the adverts are both boxed up and not in the flow of my skim read.
|Re: Site dropped in search rankings||koffeeNut||9/4/13 12:36 PM|
I'm really getting more and more desperate seeing that the new Panda or whatever it is removes websites IN BULK without any chance of recovery and without letting us know what is happening, without making any real difference between a spam website or crappy download archive and good, trusted websites.
Maybe I didn't made myself clear but this is why people loves Codecpack.co:
and since even Microsoft community recommends it:
...it seems to me that 4 years of daily work and dedication on codecpack.co are not YET wasted unless Google really want to kill my website -- reason? I really don't know?!?
Furthermore, to fully understand why all this ''try to convince you'' rant from me please take your time and read the articles from the following websites and draw your conclusions why my website is good and not crap and why people loves it and removing it will be a mistake and delusion both for me and my visitors.
And no, I'm not moaning, crying or yelling, starting a revolt or something else -- I fully understand that nowadays money rules, the big fish catch the small fish like always and so on; I just trying to make you understand that codecpack.co is not crap and everyone else loves the clean layout, descriptions and screenshots and doesn't deserve to be killed by bots or algorithms and not by a real person from Google that can check and read the websites from above and than understand all my struggle, the website's philosophy and why users will lose a valuable download source.
|Re: Site dropped in search rankings||Paul Macnamara||9/4/13 12:44 PM|
I totally get your frustration but believe me when I tell you that if it is in fact Panda related you can recover. If you do, you will come out of the experience with a far better site that will serve your users much better than it currently does.
|Re: Site dropped in search rankings||koffeeNut||9/4/13 1:06 PM|
I get the idea but having such a huge drop from 3000 visitors per day to 400 visitors per day is more than disarming. Anyway thank you again let's hope (if there's still hope) that tomorrow will bring something better.
|Re: Site dropped in search rankings||koffeeNut||9/6/13 2:06 PM|
I think the ad placement was not right and maybe that's why the site was penalized.
After reading this, I'm going to work my ass out to manually modify 1000 pages in the hope that the site will recover:
''Place your ads close to the content that your users are interested in, also make sure that users can easily find the content they are looking for. For example, if your site offers downloads, make sure the download links are above the fold and easy to find.''
What do you think? Which one complies better with the 'above the fold' rule?
Thank you very much.
|Re: Site dropped in search rankings||koffeeNut||9/7/13 7:04 AM|
|Re: Site dropped in search rankings||webado||9/7/13 7:30 AM|
The top ad has to go in both cases. Keeps ads off to the far right side of the screen and/or to the bottom of the page and clearly identified as ads.
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|Re: Site dropped in search rankings||koffeeNut||9/17/13 12:21 PM|
Few days ago I started to clean, and re-arrange the page layout. Until now I modified around 40 static pages you can see some live samples here:
And my concept/explication here:
....following the advice from bellow:
Place your ads close to the content that your users are interested in, also make sure that users can easily find the content they are looking for. For example, if your site offers downloads, make sure the download links are above the fold and easy to find. Source
Now, before I start to modify all the other 960 static pages I have a question (advice required) because I don't want to get penalized again by the next PANDA update after working my brain out:
Which one is OK with the above the fold rule:
Than you very much.
|Re: Site dropped in search rankings||koffeeNut||9/17/13 1:27 PM|
|Re: Site dropped in search rankings||kyle risley||9/29/13 10:35 AM|
How long have you been disallowing all bots from crawling your site for?
|Re: Site dropped in search rankings||koffeeNut||10/8/13 1:21 PM|
Hi Kyle! Do you say that I'm blocking somehow the bots to crawl the website? Why and how I'm blocking the bots?
|Re: Site dropped in search rankings||kyle risley||10/8/13 1:54 PM|
Sorry, my mistake. You're not blocking anything from bots.