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Manual spam action revoked, no improvements

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Manual spam action revoked, no improvements NXone 11/14/13 8:32 AM
Hi,

About a month ago I wrote in this forum to ask for advice, as we were trying to resolve a manual penalzation from Google.

First, I want you to know that the penalization has been revoked (finaly!). After 9 months of hard work we received Google's message through WMT. The thing now is that, since that moment, our stats have not changed. No raise in visitors or anything else, everything is the same as when we were penalized. I found around that one site was in the same situation, and it seems Google "forgot" to revoke the penalization: http://goo.gl/3WJTia

What do you suggest? I'm a little bewildered, no increase in visitors, not even 1%. Should I send another reconsideration? It's worth mentioning that my WMT panel says that we have no manual action applied in our site (this is the site http://goo.gl/l4DPkU)

Thanks a lot.
Re: Manual spam action revoked, no improvements Lysis 11/14/13 8:36 AM
Most people don't see an increase after link penalties, because now you aren't getting the artificial boost from the spam you bought. Now you are ranking naturally.
Re: Manual spam action revoked, no improvements OldWelshGuy 11/14/13 9:54 AM
 A huge part of the algorithm is trust, and if you got a penalty, and that penalty got removed, then you can't really expect to get back 100% of the trust you had before the penalty hit.  Stands to reason doesn't it?

And, as pointed out above, you are now no longer getting the benefit due to the spamming you did previously (knowingly or unknowingly).


Re: Manual spam action revoked, no improvements Simon-Mc 11/14/13 10:28 AM
Let me come from a slightly different angle here.  What has been said so far is speculation and what I am about to contribute is also speculation because google won´t actually confirm any of they hypothesis.

You had a stack of bad links.  Google gave you a manual penalty and encouraged you to remove those links.  You must of convinced google you did what you could to remove the links and more than likely you disavowed anything left over that would not shift.  It´s true that some of your ranking would of disappeared with the removed bad links but it would be reasonable to assume that some links should still be working for you.  The problem is though that there are algorithmic penalties at play in addition to manual penalties.  It is highly probable that you are still in the clutches of Penguin.  Those disavowed links are probably still in play as far as penguin is concerned and those  on target anchor text links are holding you back.  

I think you need to remove those disavowed links that helped you beat the manual penalty because Penguin still has you in his grasp.  I don´t think you can recover until those links fall below a certain threshold.  This I believe is one of the reasons that Matt Cutts himself says that some sites can never recover.  However, if you get those disavowed links removed and Penguin runs again without those links, you might then truly start to rank naturally.

Simon
Re: Manual spam action revoked, no improvements Ben Griffiths 11/14/13 10:39 AM
You don't say which penalty you got in your original thread, but if it was an affects-links-only one (as opposed to a site-wide), this is pretty much the expected outcome (as Google was discounting the links, and now the links are gone, so same ranking result).
Re: Manual spam action revoked, no improvements True Answers No Hypocrisy 11/14/13 3:01 PM
removal of manual action means nothing if it is related to backlinks

i saw so many cases with 0 improvements
Re: Manual spam action revoked, no improvements mandingo247 11/14/13 3:08 PM
I kind of agree with Simon-Mc, but penguin is run about every 6 months so until that runs again and or you improve you backlink profile above the threshold then you are unlikely to see much change in your situation.

Something triggered the manual penalty that same thing probably was big enough to trigger an algorithmic penalty,

Await the next update and you should see an improvement      
Re: Manual spam action revoked, no improvements seo101 11/14/13 6:08 PM
1. The site was artificially ranking higher previously due to the link juice from the unnatural links
2. Google applied manual penalty
3. Links removed or disavowed
4. Google removes penalty
5. Site no longer has that artificial link juice as before
6. Site now ranks naturally where it should.

Its that simple. Why were you even expecting the original rankings back?
Re: Manual spam action revoked, no improvements Simon-Mc 11/15/13 1:51 AM
@SEO101

I agree with most of what you have said but from personal experience it does not always follow that you are now ranking where you should be.  In my case I had a unnatural links penalty that was removed after several attempts.   Prior to building unnatural links our site was ranking first page for logo design a very competitive term.  It had ranked there consistently for several years.  We built unnatural links to consolidate our position and future proof the ranking.  Hindsight is a wonderful thing :)  

Our natural rank prior to the bad link acquisition was top of page 1.  We are still in the wilderness now because even though links have been disavowed as part of our cleanup. we believe those links are still hurting us via the Penguin algorithm.   Disavowing them is great to lift the manual penalty but as far as I can see those links are still in play with Penguin.

This week I have managed to have removed over 4000 sitewides for a target I have been chasing for over 6 months.  I still have more work to do but I have become expert at speaking to people with google translate :)  I´m looking forward to the next run of Penguin but I will not be surprised if I am not there yet.  Looking at the top 5 pages for the term logo design will show that google has held back a lot of decent sites because link building in this industry has been prolific.  There are several sites that should naturally be where they are now but the majority are false positions based on good sites under penalties.


Re: Manual spam action revoked, no improvements True Answers No Hypocrisy 11/15/13 3:41 AM
@seo101 nothing but noob

there are so many freaking sites ranking without any backlinks

his claims has 0 value. spam backlinks doesn't rank a website. when will people learn that

but spam backlinks penalize you for sure
Re: Manual spam action revoked, no improvements cristina 11/15/13 5:05 AM
You have many sub-domains. Check just in case that there are no manual actions for the sub-domains.

Re: Manual spam action revoked, no improvements Suzanneh 11/15/13 5:07 AM
>>Our natural rank prior to the bad link acquisition was top of page 1.

Other reasons could be coming into play. The unnatural links could be one part of the whole.  There could even be reasons that have nothing to do with your site (competitors ranking better, for example).

Suzanne
Re: Manual spam action revoked, no improvements Simon-Mc 11/15/13 7:04 AM
@Suzanneh,

If you followed the logo design space you would know that the top 50 logo design web sites are nowhere to be seen in the main.  There are just a very small handful of good sites in that space right now due to the excessive link building that has gone on in that space for several years.  The best results in that search right now are the adwords and that´s only because people are paying for them they must be providing a reasonable service.  If I were in the market for a logo design I could probably be satisfied with maybe 2 sites in the top 10. The rest are blogs, logo builders, crowd source sites and wiki.  I would not want to be using google to source this service and that´s not me saying it because of sour grapes, that´s the reality.  I am sure I will get my site back there but it won´t be being held back because competitors have a better site.

I do appreciate other things could come in to play but I have pretty much discounted that because of the history.  If the history was not so solid I would agree with you.


Re: Manual spam action revoked, no improvements seo101 11/15/13 10:19 AM
"there are so many freaking sites ranking without any backlinks

his claims has 0 value. spam backlinks doesn't rank a website. when will people learn that"

OK expert; care to show us ONE site that is ranking well with NO backlinks.