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Yahoo republished my article, pushed me completely out of search results

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Yahoo republished my article, pushed me completely out of search results csburdick 8/27/13 5:18 PM

BoldRide.com and Yahoo Autos republished the article on Aug 09:

They both link back to me.


Yahoo is #1, and me, the original content producer, is nowhere to be found; they've pushed me completely out of the search results!

This means a bigger site can steal content and push the original content producer completely out of the results!?

Something's wrong here, what's going on? How can I rank for my own article?

How is a small publisher who creates valuable and unique content *and* quality links back supposed to grow if all it takes to get pushed out of the results is a bigger site republishing their content?

Thank you for your help.
Re: Yahoo republished my article, pushed me completely out of search results csburdick 8/27/13 5:23 PM
Re: Yahoo republished my article, pushed me completely out of search results Free2Write 8/27/13 5:40 PM
If the articles are being stolen consider legal action with an attorney versed in copyright law.

Otherwise, the original content producer does not necessarily have the weight required to outrank other sites. There are hundreds of (other) ranking factors involved.


Re: Yahoo republished my article, pushed me completely out of search results csburdick 8/27/13 5:45 PM
It wasn't stolen, it was published with permission, but that just doesn't make sense.

And what about the second example? How is a 15 word snippet more useful to a reader than the actual full article with images?

It's poor results.
Re: Yahoo republished my article, pushed me completely out of search results Free2Write 8/27/13 6:04 PM
"poor results."
There is a "Send feedback" link near the bottom of the search results.

Re: Yahoo republished my article, pushed me completely out of search results Suzanneh 8/27/13 6:39 PM
>>This means a bigger site can steal content and push the original content producer completely out of the results!?

and

>>It wasn't stolen, it was published with permission, 

So, it doesn't mean a bigger site can steal content and the push the original out.  You'd use the DMCA for that.   What it does mean is that if you syndicate your content/let other people publish it, those sites can outrank your site for the same content.  When Google sees duplicate content, it'll pick which one it thinks best serves the searcher's query.

Here's more on duplicate content -- look for the "Syndicate Carefully" section:  https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/66359?hl=en

15 word snippet.  Could be a number of reasons...so the question might be "why is your site ranking below a snippet"; what factors are perhaps bringing it down?

Suzanne

Re: Yahoo republished my article, pushed me completely out of search results Zazoo 8/27/13 6:41 PM
Welcome to the club man, you are not alone many people have had the same issue. I have the same exact issue except scraper sites are stealing my content without my approval and ranking at the top, and also like Topix with just a snippet some forums are ranking higher than my site.

I also have no manual penalty, only thing that I can think of is algorithmic penalty  or some bad links? but I never got an unusual links message or some Google users who don't like you probably reported your site and it triggered a google human review. Its hard to even know what to do anymore.

How does google rate user experience? you could have been hit by a human reviewer who just looked at your site and gave it a low rank. I used to have a site ranked in the 100,000's and now it dropped  to nearly 2 million when I type my domain in alexa, and majority of scrapers are using my articles and ranking higher than me.

I think google should just change the algorithm back to date and time which ever site published the article first should get the reward not the ones copying it. Because user experience seems unfair some users might favor a site and some might not like the the site, its subjective. I know people who hate the big news sites layout should those well established news sties suffer or be deranked because some users said this site sucks?

I've given up hope, it really sucks to be honest because google is the big dog, and if you can't rank well in google you basically can't rank at all, majority of people use google search.


Re: Yahoo republished my article, pushed me completely out of search results Suzanneh 8/27/13 6:49 PM
>> which ever site published the article first should get the reward not the ones copying it. 

How can Google know that exactly?  Scenario:  Site A publishes an article but the bot doesn't come around till three days later to crawl.   Site B copies the article (legally or illegally) and publishes the article within 24 hours of Site A's publication but the bot comes around to Site B right away.  To Google, Site B published first.

Suzanne
Re: Yahoo republished my article, pushed me completely out of search results StevieD_Web 8/27/13 7:12 PM
>>It wasn't stolen, it was published with permission, 


Duh, you gave away your primo content to others for their use.   Next time keep the good stuff on your site and share crap with the others.
Re: Yahoo republished my article, pushed me completely out of search results Ashley 8/27/13 7:46 PM
>> which ever site published the article first should get the reward not the ones copying it. 

I'll dispute this in another way. Google doesn't really care who published it first. Google wants to send users to relevant sites with a great user experience. If other sites are beating you in many other ways and you give them permission to post your content - why wouldn't they rank? You're not Google's customer. The searcher is. 
Re: Yahoo republished my article, pushed me completely out of search results Zazoo 8/27/13 9:48 PM
Okay with that crawl issue, every time I put an original article that I never give anyone permission to use, I check my article in Google search always. sometimes it takes a few minutes to show up. Once I find my article by searching the article title, I notice my article is always the first spot of the second page.

So I know right there that Google already indexed my article.

Now a day later I type my article title either that or do quotation search and snippet search or it and scraper sites are all on the first page, what baffles me about this is, I would see 3 or 4 different sites with duplicates of my content all in the front page, while my article the original is not posted on the front. Why are several different sites all showing before me? I don't get it, you can clearly see the the time of post sometimes the postings will say posted 1 hour ago or 1 day ago on search.

I decided to check a couple of my favorite blogs that I read daily about football news and opinions, to see if they are having a similar issue that I am having. So when I saw they had a fresh article, I typed in the title of their article or did a snippet search, and their article is on the first page as the first result. Followed by scraper sites, the difference here is the original uploader of the article gets ranked in the top spot. I've gotten to the point of maybe just canning my site and starting over from scratch.

















Re: Yahoo republished my article, pushed me completely out of search results Suzanneh 8/28/13 3:59 AM
Zazoo, if you want help with your own site, it's best to start your own thread.  We need to make sure we don't hijack the thread.

If we're talking about the OP's comment about snippets outranking the original, I go back to my comment:  if scrapers are outranking my site, I need to ask myself what quality signals am I missing that the algorithm thinks the scraper sites outrank me.

Suzanne
Re: Yahoo republished my article, pushed me completely out of search results csburdick 8/28/13 4:54 AM
if scrapers are outranking my site, I need to ask myself what quality signals am I missing that the algorithm thinks the scraper sites outrank me.

Thanks Suzanne,

That's what I'm trying to figure out. We try our best to produce original, high quality content, and we just don't seem to be making any traction. The point of the second example is that there's clearly an issue with the G Algorithms - they say they want to give the user the best experience possible, yet they list a short snippet above an original article, I don't get it. It seems this is an ongoing issue and I've no idea why it's happening.
Re: Yahoo republished my article, pushed me completely out of search results csburdick 8/28/13 4:59 AM
How can Google know that exactly?

Well they do know when an article was published, in the results you always see the date and if it was recent, the time. I'm also using the structured data tool to tell Google the date (and all the other info) in the article.

Plus, this was published on my site a week before Yahoo's.

I understand Ashley's point:

Google doesn't really care who published it first.

But it still seems quite crap, especially if the republishing site links back to your original post. 
Re: Yahoo republished my article, pushed me completely out of search results Ben Griffiths 8/28/13 5:10 AM
Reduced to its core question, you're asking;

"Why is Yahoo outranking me?"

That's a fairly easy question to answer, no?

Great links posted above to help you consider this syndication.
Re: Yahoo republished my article, pushed me completely out of search results csburdick 8/28/13 5:19 AM
Reduced to its core, the question is "why are other sites ranking better than me for my content, when it's very clearly my content?" 

More specifically, and if you want to ignore the Yahoo issue, why is a page with a short snippet and link back to my article ranking higher than my full article?
Re: Yahoo republished my article, pushed me completely out of search results Zazoo 8/28/13 8:57 AM
Sorry about that Suzanneh,

I get frustrated and understand the frustration the OP and what he is feeling. He clearly isn't a spam site and basically is given the same vague answer, how will he know what he is doing wrong if he has no clue what is going on? Someone doing it better basically hurts to hear, especially when you are the owner of original content that is getting outranked by those who duplicate it.
  • Syndicate carefully: If you syndicate your content on other sites, Google will always show the version we think is most appropriate for users in each given search, which may or may not be the version you'd prefer. However, it is helpful to ensure that each site on which your content is syndicated includes a link back to your original article. You can also ask those who use your syndicated material to use the noindex meta tag to prevent search engines from indexing their version of the content.


I read the link and this is the closest answer above,  since he is giving permission to syndicate his article he must ask the other sites to noindex the article and I doubt yahoo or the other sites or forums will do that because they want the search traffic. Another thing is how does Google pick which version is appropriate? is it a human picking it or a computer algorithm? this baffles me because in this situation it seems the Google system is punishing the one who publishes it first and yes Google knows who puts the article first because you can search by date and it will have the published 1 day ago or 1 hour ago or 10 minutes ago examples by each article. I've seen other sites who rank at the top for their own article while the sites and forums that use snippets will always rank below.  apparently they don't want to give specific answers because as matt cuts said, Google doesn't want to encourage spammers be better spammers, with the bad acting analogy. I understand his point and it makes sense but its not good for honest bloggers like OP who are not spammers and are victims.

Another thing that could be a problem for the OP is multiple people reporting a site for duplicate content causing a negative user experience issue, could Google see it as a red flag if it gets multiple reports of spam are going to his site? Maybe that is why a forum is ranking higher for a snippet of his article and other duplicate sites are ranking while he isn't maybe they reported the original content site causing them to get penalized?

Re: Yahoo republished my article, pushed me completely out of search results csburdick 8/28/13 9:06 AM
Thanks for explaining it better than me Zazoo! That's exactly the problem.

I'm going to try it again soon, but this time ask that they only publish part of the article and link to the original article in a sort of "Read the rest" kind of way.

If the same thing happens again, that clearly indicates it's an issue with the algorithm, as the user (the one whose experience Google is trying to optimize) would want to see the full article, not a portion of it.
Re: Yahoo republished my article, pushed me completely out of search results Ben Griffiths 8/28/13 9:14 AM
What's the advantage of syndicating it? Does it outweigh the risk?

Trying to outrank Yahoo! Autos!, even for your own content which you published first, is most definitely the long way round when it comes to the answer here - although partial syndication is a good start.
Re: Yahoo republished my article, pushed me completely out of search results Free2Write 8/28/13 9:39 AM
Allowing others to publish the same content and then attempting to compete with those sites is probably akin to having your article published in The New Yorker or a local trade-rag and then expecting your magazine with the same article to sell more copies simply because you published first. That probably won't happen. Having The New Yorker publish an excerpt is probably the better way to go unless your business-model has factored in competing directly with other magazines and trade-rags who publish your work.

Google probably isn't about to change their algorithm in this regard any time soon. "Google's mission is to organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful."

Scraping is an issue probably best handled directly with the scraping site or in conjunction with a lawyer's advice.

Re: Yahoo republished my article, pushed me completely out of search results Zazoo 8/28/13 10:24 AM
I noticed sites like livescience.com have their articles on yahoo and you can see their livescience logo and click it to go to their website.

http://news.yahoo.com/boa-constrictor-seen-eating-howler-monkey-first-135246298.html


A lot of other sites have articles they syndicate like this in yahoo.

But when I search the title for the livescience article in google:

Boa Constrictor Seen Eating Howler Monkey in a First


http://www.gadailynews.com/science/172489-boa-constrictor-seen-eating-howler-monkey-in-a-first.html

This website ranks above the livescience website and the yahoo news article which livescience gave permission too, I am not sure if GAdailynews has permission or not but they are clearly out ranking the original content provider by one spot. Also when you look at Gadailynews they only put a snippet and the video of the livescience article not the entire article and they put a link back to livescience. how is gadailynews doing it better than Livescience.com?

Its not even as many paragraphs or well written as the livescience article it snips from, so the unique well written and original quality content doesn't get favor in this Google algorithm decision it rewards a snippet duplicate site to be ranked in first place. But its not really as bad as OP's case where he doesn't even get a first page ranking, i noticed all the major news sites or sites with high traffic rank like Gadailynews have duplicate content, when you search a news article sometimes you get 10 duplicates on the same page, all from major news sites or websites that have a high traffic rank to begin with, gadailynews ranks on the first page for almost all of their duplicated content articles, and they don't even have a list of writers for the site.

Also Gadailynews posted the article By Staff Writer 12 minutes ago.

While livescience.com posted their article 
2 days ago

So its obvious Google knows who posted the article first.

What is interesting about Gadailynews is the site looks nice and clean and fancy like a professionally paid for site, yet majority of the articles are from STAFF  with no name and are duplicates of other news articles yet they have a first page ranking and good traffic. I thought Google rewarded unique content that was the golden rule for bloggers. I was told when I first started blogging that unique content will rank well and help your  site but this was years ago.

This is the disclaimer Gadailynews has:
External links are provided for reference purposes. gadailynews.com is not responsible for the content of external Internet sites. Copyright © 2013 GA Daily News.
Re: Yahoo republished my article, pushed me completely out of search results Free2Write 8/28/13 10:42 AM
"website ranks above"

I don't believe anybody said ranking above the copied material was impossible. Simply difficult and improbable for most of the given examples.

Again, Google is probably not going to use the original author as the sole ranking factor even if that could be determined 100% of the time with 100% accuracy.

The goals of "accessible and useful" do not necessarily equate to showing the original author first.

Re: Yahoo republished my article, pushed me completely out of search results csburdick 8/28/13 11:50 AM
The goals of "accessible and useful" do not necessarily equate to showing the original author first.

This is less about which website ranks for the same article or which one posted first and more about why a website with a snippet would rank above the full article, especially if the snippet links to the first article.

Quite simply, it's bad results and doesn't provide the best user experience.
Re: Yahoo republished my article, pushed me completely out of search results csburdick 8/28/13 11:53 AM
What's the advantage of syndicating it?

Exposure & the link back. 

Does it outweigh the risk?

For the full article, apparently not. But using the snippet with backlink method, if Google were ranking them properly, absolutely. Currently though, they're not, and that's the issue. 

The idea would be that Yahoo likes the article, publishes part of it the give readers a taste, then links to the original article for people to read more if they're interested. It's good for everyone (if it worked correctly in SERPs.)
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