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Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help

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Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Working Hard 9/16/13 2:25 AM
I've read the FAQs and searched the help center

Hi

I over came a manual penalty in December 2012 and had hoped for a recovery afterwards. But 9 months later - nothing. I am now almost out of business.

Surely your visitors are missing out on a quality jigsaw puzzle related site. We carry a wider range and import specialist titles. Far better than 'Tesco'. We are a dedicated jigsaw site and our site is designed to be used by puzzle lovers. We have a 40% repeat order rate, established in 2001 and have sent over 350,000 orders.

History...

I had in the past used a SEO firm (I detailed in my manual request all the details) and of course requested that they follow your rules. We haven't used any SEO company for over 24 months now. In September last year we lost all our key rankings (keeping just a tiny handful) The manual penalty was lifted in December 2012

What I done...

Because I don't know the cause of the current problem I have spent the past year trying to solve it all without luck. I really need a break pleeeeeese
-Removed just over a thousand backlinks that the seo firm built (months of hard work)
-Created a disavow file in December 12, updated in June 13 and again August 13
-Changed shopping carts in case our old .asp links caused issues (now use Magento)
-Now use a CDN to speed up page load times
-Changed servers to speed the site up
-Introduced a blog and added fresh content
-New jigsaws added regularly
-Rewritten descriptions
-Removed keywords in case there was any over optimization

I don't know what else to do?

Please Review...

I'm willing to do whatever I need to do to recover. This is my business, I'm passionate about it. I have worked really hard and long ours trying to solve this. I now now only have a few months cash left. I had 3 other employees all of whom I had to let go (including my Best Man) This has not been an easy time. I need a break - please.

Please take a look www.AllJigsawPuzzles.co.uk surely we should be ranking in your index for words like 'jigsaw puzzles', 'jigsaws' , 'puzzle boards', 'ravensburger jigsaws' - various puzzle names eg Wasgij (the biggest selling brand) but you have competition pages and companies who only sell a fraction of the range. We have a direct link from wasgij.co.uk to http://www.alljigsawpuzzles.co.uk/wasgij.html but no ranking.

What am I doing wrong?

Really grateful for any help / advice you can kindly provide

Thank you
Alan

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Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help mcgids n#l 9/16/13 2:33 AM
also what domains have you disavowed?
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Paul Newham 9/16/13 2:37 AM
Also, what keywords were you ranking for prior to penalty?
Please list them, with your Ranking Position then, and your Ranking Position now.

One of the mistakes many people make is thinking that being released from Penalty means returning to where you were before.
But where you were before was not genuine, hence the Penalty.
It may be that where you are ranking now is where you would have ranked originally, had you or the SEO Firm not used tactics outside the Guidelines.
Thus, as mcgids infers, you have to start building your website within the Guidelines, starting with original substantial content that communicates your knowledge and passion.

Let's have a look at the Keyword map.
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help mcgids n#l 9/16/13 2:37 AM
also fix escaping errors like in the comments here http://www.alljigsawpuzzles.co.uk/african-splendour-500-pieces.html

Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help mcgids n#l 9/16/13 2:41 AM
noindex categories pages like this one http://www.alljigsawpuzzles.co.uk/cats-and-dogs.html

your content seems rather thin.

i would create a larger unique description for your products.

overall quality of site is not high,...

also you are being outranked by online jigsaw puzzles... maybe its an idea to add online jigsaw puzzles to your sites as well ?
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help mcgids n#l 9/16/13 2:44 AM
will bring you a good # of quality user links if you do... also have a look into paul's post.
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help mcgids n#l 9/16/13 2:57 AM
you should try to improve your site speed as well.

most of your pages take 1.5 seconds to be rendered

you should target for 250ms ( faster = better ).

maybe you can look into cache extensions like apc, eaccelerator or do some db optimization.
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Working Hard 9/16/13 3:22 AM
Thank you for your advice.

We had previously always had page 1 rankings for terms like 'jigsaws' 'puzzle boards' 'jigsaw puzzles' and a lot of individual puzzle names. Since this time last year they have all fallen away. I now have a 'inner' page ranking about no40 for 'jigsaw puzzles (but no other key phrases) - it would seem the home page has been dropped completely.

Surely we should rank somewhere in top 100?

I understand that once we were released from the manual penalty we wouldn't return to our previous rankings but I would expect the homepage to show up somewhere in the top 50 results for key terms like 'jigsaws', 'jigsaw puzzles'

Can you help explain why we don't rank for the below please?

We have direct links from the manufacture for certain types of puzzle 'wasgij' but don't rank for that phrase. Again maybe not page 1 but surely somewhere. We have the complete range. Eg 'Wasgij 16 - Catch of the Day' - http://www.alljigsawpuzzles.co.uk/wasgij-16-catch-of-the-day.html is not featured in the results - any ideas why?

Again content on category pages is hard. Jigsaws are very image based. We already have a bit of content which is more than most competitor sites. Plus individual jigsaw pages don't rank, even those that have customer reviews.

There is some penalty - just don't know what,

What is strange is

We still rank
no5 - 'jigsaws uk'
no3 - 'jigsaw puzzles uk'

Why rank for those terms if you are in the UK using Google.co.uk surely it should make no difference if you put UK in your search term?

We have lost keywords like

jigsaw puzzles
jigsaws
3d jigsaw puzzles
christmas jigsaw puzzles
puzzle mats

Thank you again
Alan
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Working Hard 9/16/13 3:24 AM
Thank you for your advice, just added a posting that shows some phrases we still have and others we lost.
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Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Paul Newham 9/16/13 4:36 AM
I would like to spend a few hours looking at this later this afternoon (I am in the UK too).
But I do think it is important to point out a few things, and to check something out with you first.
1. You really do have to forget what was, and where you ranked. The accumulative effect of algorithmic changes of the past year has been to entirely shakeup search results, placing the publication of original informative content, supported by volitional third part editorial references, including followed links, and social signals of conversation at the center.
This has hit sites like yours hard, and has forced those such as yourself to begin to think like a publisher as well as merchant.
You have made a start with your Blog.
But it is badly organized, unoptimized, and buried. Also, it is counterproductive to separate off your information into a BLOG: /wordpress/page1/blabla
You are going to need to work hard on all that, or appoint someone trustworthy to do the same, as well as on producing and organizing fresh material that is commensurate with and answers to genuine user search queries.
This will increase time on site and reduce bounce rate, giving your rankings a certain boost.
2. The site needs a redesign. Again, to increase time on site. It's old, dusty, misaligned, and far from communicating the wondrous enchantment of puzzledom.
3. It is essential that you carefully ensure that lead-in, archive, categorical and taxonomical pages are not indexed, or preferably that they contain original introiductory content.

You have to think of your site as a multimedia presentation, or at least an illustrated book about jig saw puzzles.
Any site that links to Wikipedia for their own subject is clearly admitting defeat by self-confessed lack of authority.
You have to be the Wikipedia of Jigsaws.

So, are you prepared to do all that?
If you are, then my view is you could well have a great future.
But my experience of this forum is that few (some but not the majority) actually seem to want or are able to implement the strategies required to lead them to success in the new SEO environment.

Let me know your thoughts.
I'll be back later, and others will also help I am sure.
If you are serious, I'll do some subject specific research, as I do respect the focus, specificity and modesty of your site, and respect what you have achieved.
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Steven Lockey 9/16/13 4:53 AM
Duplicate content is probably going to have a big impact here. 

Here is a search for the description (exact match) for one of your products

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=With+all+your+favourite+Disney+characters%2C+this+puzzle+is+absolutely+suberb.+Featuring+Mickey%2C+Donald%2C+Snow+White%2C+Beauty+and+the+Beast%2C+The+Lion+King%2C+The+Jungle+Book%2C+and+many+many+more+-+all+in+one+fantastic+puzzle.+This+puzzle+comes+complete+with+a+puzzle+conserver+so+that+you+can+hang+the+puzzle+on+the+wall+once+you+have+completed+it.&oq=With+all+your+favourite+Disney+characters%2C+this+puzzle+is+absolutely+suberb.+Featuring+Mickey%2C+Donald%2C+Snow+White%2C+Beauty+and+the+Beast%2C+The+Lion+King%2C+The+Jungle+Book%2C+and+many+many+more+-+all+in+one+fantastic+puzzle.+This+puzzle+comes+complete+with+a+puzzle+conserver+so+that+you+can+hang+the+puzzle+on+the+wall+once+you+have+completed+it.&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=%22With+all+your+favourite+Disney+characters%2C+this+puzzle+is+absolutely+suberb.+Featuring+Mickey%2C+Donald%2C+Snow+White%2C+Beauty+and+the+Beast%2C+The+Lion+King%2C+The+Jungle+Book%2C+and+many+many+more+-+all+in+one+fantastic+puzzle.+This+puzzle+comes+complete+with+a+puzzle+conserver+so+that+you+can+hang+the+puzzle+on+the+wall+once+you+have+completed+it.%22&safe=off

Thats 3 page of sites with the exact same description. 

I've checked a couple of descriptions and they all seem to be default manufactorer's descriptions, which leads on to, what does your site add to web or the SERPs. 
In order to rank better, you need to provide unique content that other sites aren't providing. 
Just using the same description the manufacturer provides the same as lots of other websites hardly give Google any motivation to rank you. 

I suspect the only reason you rank on the queries you do is because you haven't been filtered by the EMD update (Exact match domain) since your site does
have some content, but any site that matches the query even nearly as well as your site AND has decent content is easily out-ranking you. 

Basically you need a lot more good content, particularly on the products themselves but also on the general pages.

Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Working Hard 9/16/13 5:47 AM
Wow - thank you for your detailed reply.

Yes I need to do whatever I can to get this site to recover (and I will, my mortgage depends on a recovery, this is my business and has been for the past 12 years) I don't want to let it go without a big fight.

I've done loads to it in the last year, but will certainly try and implement any suggestions you have (and I'm very grateful for your time)

Any thoughts please let me know.

Thank you so much for time, help and advice, anything you want answered please just ask.

Alan
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Working Hard 9/16/13 5:59 AM
As a note to the duplicate content - I can see another site that is only about 3 months old and has 0 backlinks (I know the owner fairly well) but it still ranks for particular jigsaw titles (normally 3rd or 4th) they use the same description, has no user reviewers and the site has no other content apart from the shopping cart, and no social presence.

Happy to rewrite descriptions - but why would a fairly new site, with no links, no extra content appear (and same product descriptions)  in the index and we are nowhere "
Gingerbread Cottage Jigsaw Puzzle this is No3 - http://jigsawpuzzles.co.uk/thomas-kinkade-gingerbread-cottage.html (very little content and out of stock)

" surely our page should appear somewhere in the 100 results? - http://www.alljigsawpuzzles.co.uk/thomas-kinkade-gingerbread-cottage.html

Any ideas?

Thank you
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Steven Lockey 9/16/13 6:03 AM
New sites get a 'honeymoon' bonus for a few months after they launch. 

Assuming all other factors equal, then expect to see it drop heavily shortly.
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help mcgids n#l 9/16/13 6:23 AM
and... if you want to pull in ppl who look for online jigsaw puzzles as well ( will provide you good links ).... provide some on your website. That traffic can frequently be converted into "buytraffic" as well. Also it is good for your bounce rate etc... and you will get a community... You can let that software build in india for about 2-3k eur ( or maybe even opensource is available ). You could make essentially from any picture a jigsaw puzzle. Further i agree what the rest has said.
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Working Hard 9/16/13 6:26 AM
Thank - looking at another example "Horrid Homework - Glow in The Dark 250pc Jigsaw Puzzle" we have a unique description (it's a new jigsaw) and Google have indexed it - http://www.alljigsawpuzzles.co.uk/horrid-henry-face-horrid-homework-glow-in-the-dark-250pc.html

Yet searching google for "Horrid Homework - Glow in The Dark 250pc Jigsaw Puzzle"" it returns ebay and 4 links to 'puzzlefolk' and then "Results for similar searches"

Surely it should be listed somewhere there?

Thank you again
Alan
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Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help mcgids n#l 9/16/13 6:31 AM
you are one page 3 for that one ( without the quotes )
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help mcgids n#l 9/16/13 6:33 AM
your content is too thin... provide a description of 100 words, wait a couple of weeks, and check again on the query ...  will do much better.. i think.
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Paul Macnamara 9/16/13 6:34 AM
If the site has been impacted by Panda (content related algorithmic penalty) then it is not unusual for high quality pages on the site to suffer along with poor ones. Panda tends to be quite site specific in that if there are enough duplicate, thin, or pool quality pages on the site, it will impact the performance of the entire site and not just individual pages.
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Lysis 9/16/13 6:37 AM
You were told about the duplicate content before. https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!profile/webmasters/APn2wQfPdLEyWgrqgm13-KpjemSd8PNRwyiNAuith7it1o6CWfNUFMpoV5-yTEHtcGN3ipqjYIO7/webmasters/xs9mHAuYhfQ/SjyrK8zYTK8J

I guess you didn't believe what you were told before? Buy ads if you want to keep the content then.
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help mcgids n#l 9/16/13 6:37 AM
something like this you should have for all pp's ( product pages )

Horrid Henry Puzzle - Horrid Homework 250pc

A fantastic 250 piece Glow in the Dark jigsaw puzzle based on the extremely popular books "Horrid Henry". Now your child can enjoy the feeling of accomplishment as they piece together this fascinating and enjoyable puzzle. Once this amazing 100 piece puzzle is complete, switch off the light and be amazed at the puzzle image glowing in the dark!

The puzzle is a great gift idea for any young children. This puzzle is made from high quality card and comes presented in a rectangular box which has been shrink wrapped for further protection.

Finished puzzle measures 335mm x 496mm.

Suitable for ages 7+


Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help mcgids n#l 9/16/13 6:44 AM
thanks L
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Working Hard 9/16/13 7:13 AM
Thank you

What I don't understand is why a page for "Doctor Who - 60 Piece Jigsaw"

both have little unique content. 

Do you really think rewriting could make a difference to see us appear back in the index?

I worry slightly as friend who had a website disappear around the same time as us (who never recovered) rewrote around 800 products and had no recovery. If you think it could help I will do it now as I've tried lots of other things.

Thank you
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Steven Lockey 9/16/13 7:19 AM
Because when Google sees multiple sites with the same content, it tries to choose the one it thinks it best and devalues the others for that search. 

Basically, why would Google want multiple sites with exactly the same content for each search, its counter-productive. 

"I worry slightly as friend who had a website disappear around the same time as us (who never recovered) rewrote around 800 products and had no recovery. If you think it could help I will do it now as I've tried lots of other things."

I've heard this before and in all cases one of three things was the case:
1> Lots of other problems as well that didn't get addressed
2> 'rewritten' descriptions where badly re-spun versions of the original. 
3> The new descriptions were one line long. 
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Lysis 9/16/13 7:26 AM
Also, we've seen some pretty keyword stuffed ecommerce sites here.
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Working Hard 9/16/13 7:52 AM
Ok I am taking your advice and starting the huge task of rewriting 1600 product descriptions! Think I'm going to be busy for a few weeks. Really hope it helps because it's going to be a lot of work. If I aim for around 150 words is that ok?

Is this Ok...

The old products that we no longer stock I remove from the sitemap and 301 redirect back to the category page?

You mention keyword stuffing - do you think I have any issues there?

Thank you all for your advice and help

Any more suggestions please, please let me know...

as I said I will do anything, this situation has got serious so I need to do what I must to recover.

Thank you
Alan
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Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help mcgids n#l 9/16/13 8:01 AM
it is a phases plan...

1) work on your content
2) work on site design, fix the olddated
3) work on community, social media, branding of your site ( start ppl to like you... )
4) extend your site with a community ( improve puzzle ranking/review system )
5) possibly free online jigsaw puzzles?

regarding the 301; if the products are no longer there, i would give them a 404. Show in the 404 message a "sorry, the product is out of stock.. but hey, we found the following replacement products... " ( to handle the bad ux of landing on a 404 page )

yes, you are going to be busy for a few weeks.... 150 words might be sufficient, more words ( and unique ) is better.
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Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Paul Newham 9/16/13 9:37 AM
You are not going to make sufficient difference just by banging out 1600 one hundred and fifty word product descriptions, though they must be unique.

As mcgids says in the previous post - you have to reinvent this enterprise.

I disagree with mcgids on one thing: online jigsaw puzzles are not an option; they are essential.
You have to grab user attention and get them engaged with the site beyond just looking at boxes.
If you ran a jigsaw puzzle shop, would you really just pile high all the boxes, and provide the manufacturer description?
If so, that is a warehouse, equivalent to a wholesale website.

Presumably, you would have tables and chairs, where parents and kids could sit an feel and play the puzzles, posters of famous people who loved puzzles, quotes about puzzles and so on.

Take a look at how much fun this is:
http://www.vladstudio.com/puzzles/

and that is not even his main product.
I have no connection to this site at all, other than having noticed Vlad's artwork and puzzles before.
But what he has is evidential passion and originality, a exponentially increasing following, a credible organic history, and consummate interface implementation for what he is offering.
People like that can get away with low editorial content.
A lot of people could have that, but sadly they spent their time fabricating a reputation via phony backlinks, keyword stuffing, pillaged content and the like.
Now they are all desperate and sad and regretful and such is the way of life.

In any case, would say that it should take you a few weeks to plot out the strategy, and between 6 to 12 months to implement it.
1600 x 150 alone is 240 thousand words. That is three text books.
I have published a lot of books and articles, and have got faster over the years, totally up a million words in all.
But three books would take me more than two years if I thrashed my brain to pulp.
So how are you going to organize your time so that parallel to writing product descriptions, you are also doing the other things:
Social conversing
Redesigning your site
Implementing online interactivity
Reviews

You need to step back and breathe and think seriously about time, input and skill set.
There is going to be no quick fix for this.
I didn't realize you had asked for help and ignored it before.
That worries me, so I am out.
But you have had some fantastic input from others, and I wish you luck in taking their advice.
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help mcgids n#l 9/16/13 9:39 AM
You have to grab user attention and get them engaged with the site >> thats what the online jigsaw puzzles are for.... :)

if you put your own ads next to the games... if you like this puzzle, you might like this hardboard puzzle as well... visit our shop for more details.

however, i did put that as a step 5 with a reason, because its an optional thing.
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Paul Newham 9/16/13 9:46 AM
@mcgids

Are we at cross purposes?

You have to grab user attention and get them engaged with the site >> thats what the online jigsaw puzzles are for.... :)

I was saying that they should not be optional. That it is essential that the OP has online puzzles.
Not that he should not.
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help mcgids n#l 9/16/13 9:49 AM
ah my bad :)
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help mcgids n#l 9/16/13 9:51 AM
somehow i read over that part...
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Free2Write 9/16/13 10:19 AM
Duplicate content is bad. An almost good website is not enough.

The internet is about proximity. Imagine it this way. You have a small brick-and-mortar puzzle shop down a narrow block that people wander into and ask themselves, "Do you have what I want" and "Do I want to buy from you?" and "Do I want to come back or tell other people I know about your shop?"

Now, imagine every puzzle shop in the entire world, and every other shop that might sell puzzles in the entire world, in the same building.

You need to attract a customer's attention, gain their trust, and influence them to buy and return to your shop.  Then, they might tell other people they know about your shop.  This almost always requires lots of time and attention to detail. Like the details that have already been suggested. Your shop can't be cookie-cutter or falling down or have empty shelves.

You must be more unique and better than all those other shops.



Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Paul Newham 9/18/13 1:50 AM
@WorkingHard

Are you working hard, or have you gone to sleep :)
Let us know where you are at.
This could be a cool site.
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Ashish Ahuja 9/18/13 1:57 AM
Using disavow tool can also harm your site http://www.seroundtable.com/google-disavow-tool-harm-17327.html
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help mcgids n#l 9/18/13 2:16 AM
agree with @Paul... when done correctly.. this can be cash cow once more.
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Working Hard 9/18/13 3:30 AM
Still here, sorry I was really busy yesterday.

I've already started rewriting all the product descriptions. Got a few friends to pitch in and help as well. Each product will have a new description.

I'm also getting some quotes to provide online puzzles for our customers. That may take longer to achieve.

Hoping that providing new fresh content will help a lot.

Really appreciate your time and suggestions - you are very kind. If you have anymore thoughts please do let me know.

Thank you again
Alan
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Paul Newham 9/18/13 8:19 AM
Share quotes before you spend - if you want.
And share some new descriptions.
In fact, share stuff as you go, so you can get some encouragement or snip potential issues in the bud.
Glad you are still around.
Let's do this thing :)
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Working Hard 9/18/13 8:48 AM
Thank you


Will get all the product descriptions done first and then work on adding the online jigsaws.

Thank you again for all your help - very kind of you.

Alan
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help mcgids n#l 9/18/13 8:57 AM
Hi Alan,

You arent currently shipping to other countries in europe? wanted to order one for my mum... but i see you only ship to the uk.

Might want to give that a second thought as well.

Good luck.


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Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Paul Newham 9/18/13 9:28 AM
Forgot to give you the link through Google's eyes.
http://totheweb.com/tools/spider-test/index.php
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Working Hard 10/3/13 7:24 AM
Hi

I've rewritten about 800 of the 1600 product descriptions so starting to make progress with this - thank you for your advice.

eg - http://www.alljigsawpuzzles.co.uk/kittens.html

Looking at my site maps it says it was processed 1st October and out of 1,680 submitted url's it has indexed 1649. 

BUT if I search for any of the new longer product descriptions eg "One silly kitten is even trying to climb the curtains while a curious kitten is just watching the camera wondering what's going to happen next and the other two are just hanging out having some quality time together." It shows no matches?

Any idea why not please?

Thank you
Alan

Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Steven Lockey 10/3/13 8:35 AM
Indexed is different from been re-crawled. 

It may take up to a few weeks for Google to see the new content and include them for search. It takes a while for it to update it's indexes fully.
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Ben Griffiths 10/3/13 8:43 AM
FWIW the copy at the top of the wasgij page is too short when collapsed and too off-topic when expanded. I was expecting to learn about Wasgij, not be told a bunch of keywords. Where are they from? What are they known for? Why should I care? Etc. That's the content Google wants to see on that page, not keywords.


Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help mcgids n#l 10/3/13 11:15 AM
it takes time for google to update the changes... depending on crawlspeed it might take quite a while ( weeks to months ).... also make sure you update the general layout of your site and implement the changes as previously was suggested to you. make it a great site and you will be fine in the long run. also make sure you ship to other countries since it will expand your audience beyond the uk. ie i wanted to buy one from you but couldnt get it shipped to holland.
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help True Answers No Hypocrisy 10/3/13 2:48 PM
no recovery ever once got link penalty

ditch the domain
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Working Hard 10/23/13 6:42 AM
Just an update I have now re-written over 1600 product descriptions (each now around 150 words) that was a huge job!

It would appear that Google has re-indexed them all (or at least 95%) and their cache has updated to show the new longer totally unique descriptions.

However I can still Google some products like "Delfini - Dolphins Jigsaw Puzzle" and it doesn't appear in the results 

Or others like http://www.alljigsawpuzzles.co.uk/ponds-and-lakes.html - BUT if I search Google for Ponds and Lakes Jigsaw Puzzle we don't appear. We only appear if you put that phrase in in quotes.

Any reason why?

Do you think it's still a case of waiting - or do you think there is something else going on?

Thank you for ALL your advice


Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help mcgids n#l 10/23/13 6:54 AM
it takes time for new pages to get its final ranking position ( can take months ).

i get very bad results for that query btw. even when prepending "where to buy a"

https://www.google.nl/?gws_rd=cr&ei=etNnUrow6dngBMqdgfgB#q=where+to+buy+a+%22ponds+and+lakes%22+jigsaw+puzzles+in+the+uk

childrens safety water and advice?

seems google does not know anymore what the query is about... in this case


Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Steven Lockey 10/23/13 6:56 AM
I'm seeing you on the first page for some queries I wasn't seeing you on before now. 

I think it does take some extra time from indexing to actually seeing the rankings change, so I would give it a bit longer before worrying too much. I wouldn't expect all your puzzles to leap onto the front page either, a lot of the generic terms have a lot of competition on them. 

Hope that helps.
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Working Hard 10/23/13 7:09 AM
Thank you Steven, what queries do you see us for now that you didn't?

Hopefully you're right and I need to wait (fingers crossed)

It would just be good to see some of the puzzle titles reappear in the search engine.

Is it your belief that if we suffered a 'Panda' penalty for duplicate content (product descriptions) we wouldn't see a recovery until the next Panda refresh? It wouldn't happen slowly as Google sees more new fresh content. Just slightly concerned that all the descriptions seem to be indexed and cached but we are not appearing for them in any of their results.

 I'm also aware of a competitor building hundreds of links to us last month all on our keyword of 'jigsaw puzzles' so I'm trying to disavow them all now. Can't believe how low some people go.

Thank you again for your advice

Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help Steven Lockey 10/23/13 7:25 AM
I don't think it was directly a panda issue, duplicate content is normally just handled by the duplicate content filter, your content wasn't exactly 'low quality' so I don't think this is a panda issue. 

I just searched on some random jigsaws on the site, I can't remember which ones now to be honest, you where on the first page for jigsaw puzzles uk as well.

Give it another week and try some queries against the less common jigsaws first, you are probably going to have to do some extra work to compete on the more competitive queries here. 
Re: Rankings Worse Since Manual Penalty Was Lifted - What am I doing wrong, pleeeese help mcgids n#l 10/25/13 9:07 AM
have you also cleaned up your links? i am monitoring your positions in the serps once a week now for some puzzles you offer. i see no improvement for the query terms you mentioned in your first post.


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