Chinese moated fortresses

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Chinese moated fortresses CL1ffjumper 7/31/05 12:14 PM
I don't know what it is, but it looks like a fortress. ocool
Anyone know what I am looking at?
Re: Chinese moated fortresses Hill 7/31/05 1:31 PM
I don't know what it is, but there are more around. Check the attachment. A,B,and C are very similar. D looks like it might have been the same but has fallen into disrepair. Interesting find. And welcome. smile

After almost 5 years I have visited this thread again because there are changes in the imagery. I have struck out some text that will no longer make sense and removed attachments. There is an updated placemark folder containing all of my placemarks in one location in my more recent response.
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Re: Chinese moated fortresses flb 7/31/05 1:49 PM
There's another very similar 11 miles north west. They certainly appear to be some kind of fortress arrangement with artificial moat. It's a very isolated spot to live.
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Re: Chinese moated fortresses Katamari 7/31/05 4:23 PM
My Respect to anyone who can find the historical meaning/story behind these intrigueing find. Must be from another time, theres a more than several around the area, maybe enemy fortreses that once engaged in battle?
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Re: Chinese moated fortresses ctitanic 7/31/05 6:13 PM
what ever it's is huge: 500x700 mts.
Re: Chinese moated fortresses CL1ffjumper 8/1/05 10:29 AM
I found a vague artical about Russia and Mongolia-with a mention of "North China"

In north China there are some tombs of the Hsiung-nu and Erlanhuhou fortress in Ordos. Possibly there are others sites in north China bat not enough the information.

website:

http://www.silk-road.com/artl/minyaev1.shtml
Re: Chinese moated fortresses changeup 8/22/05 12:22 PM
You know what? Actually you guess it right. They are fortresses with moats. However, they are not really that ancient. They were built around 1960's to 1970's, by Grand General Lin Biao, the chief of Chinese Millitary back then. The main purpose is to defend a possible Russian invasion. There are totally nine of them, each of which has adequate firearm and sufficient water supply. These constructions were abandoned in late 1970's and now some of them are developed into resorts.
Re: Chinese moated fortresses Akebono 8/22/05 3:02 PM
Thanks changeup for the very informative post.
Re: Chinese moated fortresses Sojourner 8/22/05 3:17 PM
Yes thanks changeup.
Well done but I tought that ther were 13 of them not 9?

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Re: Chinese moated fortresses Radiculus 10/15/05 3:45 PM


Could it be this one?
Re: Chinese moated fortresses Hill 12/22/05 8:05 PM
Our membership has grown much since the original post on these locations. Read the whole thread in flat mode before commenting. Changeup 's explanation seems feasible, but I'd like to know more about these mysterious places if anyone has additional local information - or even photos.
Re: Chinese moated fortresses andrebrannan 5/22/06 6:59 AM
An interesting site there are many such sites in the area mainly following the line of the river. They might be fortifications the Chinese may have been trying to control the water supply to counter the Hsuing-nu. But it is on the large side there is a very similar one at 40 25 44.51N 99 50 57.98E are they something to do the the Chinese space program.
Re: Chinese moated fortresses Hill 6/15/06 9:41 PM
The latest imagery reveals the southernmost one (labeled "D") , which showed/shows signs of modification. There are tunnel entrances leading into the artificial "mountain". This seems to back up the description of their being recent underground fortresses or storage. "D" seems to show signs of earth-moving. I still don't have an article or web reference to it.

After almost 5 years I have visited this thread again because there are changes in the imagery. I have struck out some text that will no longer make sense and removed attachments. There is an updated placemark folder containing all of my placemarks in one location in my more recent response.
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Re: Chinese moated fortresses Hill 7/18/06 2:12 PM
I'm calling this site "E". Recent improved resolution shows it in high resolution. Old building foundations surrounding it mean it isn't brand new, but it seems like there is recent re-working. Tunnels enter the central mound at its base. There are lots of shapes of unknown purpose surrounding the structure. It's well worth a close look.


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Re: Chinese moated fortresses sasroodkapje 7/18/06 2:42 PM
wat about this...

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Re: Chinese moated fortresses Hill 7/18/06 7:55 PM
These features appear to be part of the defensive structure of the moat. I'm only speculating as to their purpose, but I think my guesses are accurate. There is a lot more around than I have marked. New construction is beginning to hide the old structures. It appears this fort may have actually been attacked from the a western direction. Or maybe it has just been used for war games. Lots of room for speculation here.


After almost 5 years I have visited this thread again because there are changes in the imagery. I have struck out some text that will no longer make sense and removed attachments. There is an updated placemark folder containing all of my placemarks in one location in my more recent response.
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Re: Chinese moated fortresses Nick_Grayson 12/2/06 12:00 AM
Here are some more strange things in the Gobi, to the East. I found 65 sites within 100 square miles, all very remote. No idea what they are.

Link:

http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=704440&page=0&vc=#Post704440

Enjoy!
Re: Chinese moated fortresses Hill 4/6/10 1:57 PM
About five years ago member CL1ffjumper found an unusual structure surrounded by a moat in North-central China. I have so far found seven others. Each of these fortresses has many similar features. I still don't know their history, but now that the imagery has improved greatly I've redone the placemark folder and created some screen captures (in case the imagery changes again). I'm hoping someone can lend add some more detailed information to this thread.

















So far the most likely answer to the origin of these fortifications is from Changeup. But I have been able to find no verification yet. Perhaps it's just a matter of using the right key words.

Originally Posted By: changeup
You know what? Actually you guess it right. They are fortresses with moats. However, they are not really that ancient. They were built around 1960's to 1970's, by Grand General Lin Biao, the chief of Chinese Millitary back then. The main purpose is to defend a possible Russian invasion. There are totally nine of them, each of which has adequate firearm and sufficient water supply. These constructions were abandoned in late 1970's and now some of them are developed into resorts.


But I still have not independently found anything linking the general to these locations. My search has so far found 8 of the 9 locations.
Re: Chinese moated fortresses Hill 4/8/10 10:42 PM
I spent some time now in search of other fortresses. Though I have found none to match the original structures, I have found other sites that probably were active about the same time. But a search of the area near the river and adjacent to the rail line turned up other sites - eleven at the moment.



Though none of them had all of the components of the complete fortresses, most had at least a few; all shared the common characteristic of the original buildings being reduced to open foundations. Most of these eleven sites are within or near Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center, China's oldest and most active missile and satellite launch sites. There has been much construction in this area and chances are some old sites have been completely destroyed.
Re: Chinese moated fortresses Gman101 4/16/10 8:48 PM
Wow the surrounding area looks like the remains of an ancient city. Some one wanted a secure area and have gone to great lengths to make it. Awesome find, wonder what they are using it for now?
Re: Chinese moated fortresses figgers 7/5/10 8:23 PM
I have found another source that verified the fortresses were used to defend the Soviet army during the 60s to 70s, when USSR were hostile to China.

Ejina is the county where the fortresses are located.
See my brief translation to the section that related to the fortresses (or Er Hao Shan, "Mountain the second")

It's a blog (in Chinese) from someone used to live near that area:

http://hi.baidu.com/fish0w0camel/blog/item/fc18783fdcd3193b70cf6c95.html

心飘额济纳
(Title Translation: Ejina is always in my heart)


小序

(此系列已为新浪置为精品)

额济纳古称居延,西夏元时为亦集乃路,清以后名额济纳旗至今。位于祁连山北黑河尾闾,自古就是军政要地,是我国版图中一个很特别的地方。笔者随父辈的革命洪流,在那里度过了难忘的童年和少年时光,那里是我生命的摇篮,我自己的故乡。早些年在家乡的论坛里发过一些帖子,整理一下,以当时一个网友的网名为题记在这里。


一. “额济纳旗”旗名由来的传说


如今居住在额济纳旗的土尔扈特蒙古人,其远祖叫阿拉布珠尔泰吉。阿拉布珠尔泰吉是土尔扈特诺彦的老儿子,出生时左右手握着血块,其父认为不吉利,在他年满18岁时给了他13户各有特技的人家,他们有勇士,射手,窃贼,探子,角力,巫师,相士,郎中,歌伎,工匠,羊倌,驼工,说客。阿拉布珠尔泰吉领着13户人家逐水草游牧,最后来到一个森林茂密,水草丰美,禽兽出没,两河夹流的无主的草地上。阿拉布珠尔泰吉为了向皇帝要下这处地盘,便带上说客骑骆驼走了几千里路来到京城,向皇帝呈报,西北方有一处无主的地方,请皇帝赐予我为为生之地吧。皇帝听后不悦,说:普天之下皆为皇土,哪有无主之地?此时机智的说客说:不,是一个名叫“额济纳”(有主的河)水草丰美的地方。皇帝无话可说,顺口说,那你们就住下来吧!从此把这个地方叫做“有主的河”----“-额济纳郭勒”,以后渐渐简化叫成 “额济纳”了。


二. “达希才令”


说到“达希才令”这个名字,上点年纪的额旗人都会有记忆,年轻一代也可能听过他的故事。他是额旗的传奇人物,他身上集成了阿Q,阿凡提,济公,卡西莫多的影子,他总是在意想不到的时候出现在意想不到的地方。人们只知道他是个半疯半傻,又脏又丑,流浪的蒙古人,没有人知道他的年纪,也看不出他的年纪。他最初给人的印象是恐惧和厌恶,那时各家哄小孩和小孩吓小孩的办法都就是大喊一声: 达希才令来了!但终究他从来没干过什么坏事。尽管他很穷,很饥饿,但从不偷窃。相反倒是他奇异的生活方式和非凡的生存本领,成了额旗人单调生活中茶余饭后津津乐道的话题。他经常成年累月的不见踪迹,在沙漠深处有人见他吃沙婆子,草根为生。回到旗上,善良的人曾为他安排了工作,就是赶着一匹老马拉的车摇着铃铛收垃圾。这恐怕是额旗最早的环保举动。至于额旗最早的绿色食品,梧桐树碱,也是他一家一户送到主妇们的手上的,啊,用它蒸的馒头真香啊!

达希才令生于何时,逝于何地无人知晓,也许他又隐入大漠了吧,他的灵魂还在额旗游荡…?


三. 劳动渠


在外地每每说到额济纳大大小小的河流,湖泊,天鹅,黄羊,人们都跟听天书似的,你说的如痴如醉,他听得似信非信。说到当年额旗最大的人工水利工程,恐怕就得数劳动渠了。那时的人口少,也没有机械设备,开挖劳动渠的时候全靠铁锹,镐头和钢钎,全旗的男男女女老老少少差不多都参加了劳动,那阵势就跟后来的“红旗渠”似的,为了纪念全旗人民这一劳动的壮举,就把这渠命名为劳动渠了。那时感觉劳动渠很远,来水的时候是旗上的一件大事,家家户户引水浇树 ,孩子们更是忙得不亦乐乎。一是忙捉鱼,劳动渠里是一渠的鱼,那鱼多是大头鱼,和旗上的人一样憨厚,用别针可以钓,用网兜可以捞,用手可以摸 ,甚至可以用脚拍出来,如果捉到一条“金片子”那可是一阵欢呼,那得拿回去到水缸里养着。额旗人那时不在乎吃鱼,直到后来出了闻名的“梁家熏鱼”,那鱼才算有了归宿。二是忙玩水,来水以后有很多盖房拓土坯挖的方形的大坑注满了水,成了天然的游泳池,用胶泥做成跳台,满身糊上泥巴装扮成黑人唱着“亚非拉人民要解放…”(最近刘欢专辑有翻唱),然后扑通一声跳下水,十分的惬意。

劳动渠浇灌的树木如今已绿树成荫,当年那些玩水的孩子也已成才,劳动渠她可还好吗?

四. 娜仁图娅


娜仁图娅,额济纳人首先想到的是娜老师,他是额济纳现在老师的老师。额济纳五十岁以下的人都是校友,有一个共同的母校---额旗中学。“沙滩上开满红柳花,似那无边的绒毯铺天涯……”多年以前有位外地的诗人这样赞叹额旗,现在在外地偶尔也能见到红柳,如今额旗中学毕业的学子,也已遍及天涯了吧。娜老师有一种天性,也许与她的民族有关,正象牧民能够识别她羊群里的每一只羊一样 ,到现在她都能说出几乎每一个学生的名字,包括小名,家长姓名以及趣事,不管你现在变化多大她都一眼能认出你。这也是母性,因为当你还是一个羊羔子的时候他就认识你,她是旗中学最早的老师之一,是我们母校的母亲。还有孔昭来,哈斯图娅,李林,胜道,李得林,唐官胜,邓桂清,张德志,曹建功,王西安,韩雁南,张宝林,闫晋芬,陈发章,朝克,付德西,夏永胜,周学充,张世群等很多老师都把自己的青春乃至一生奉献给了额旗纳。

在旗中学即将成立43周年(1960.10.24---2003.10.24)之际,我们怀念先师们,你们可好?也请游子们把你们记得起的老师的名字列上,让我们共同回忆…纪念…


五. 额济纳的节日


故乡的歌是一只清远的笛

总在有月亮的晚上响起

故乡的面貌却是一种模糊的怅惘

彷佛雾里的挥手别离

别离后

乡愁是一颗没有年轮的树

永不老去(---席慕荣)

身在异乡为异客,树见过不少,可是总牵挂家乡那些站着的躺着的胡杨树,因为她寄托着我的乡愁,镌刻着我生命的年轮。过去额旗人把胡杨树叫做梧桐树,起名的人也许并不是因为无知,那里隐含着“栽得梧桐树,引得凤凰来”的美好寄托,这不,凤凰涅盘,一片金光灿烂了么!

十月是中国的节日,更是额济纳的节日,因为胡杨黄了,因为游子归来了,因为远方的客人来了。感谢那些创办胡杨节的人们,因为这,世界了解了胡杨,知道了额旗;因为这,胡杨得到了拯救,得到了赞美;因为这,胡杨幸甚,额旗幸甚。

Here comes the explanation to the fortress "Er Hao Shan" or "Mountain the second"
六. 二号山


中国的一号山在那里?在西藏,是珠穆朗玛峰,中国的二号山在哪里?对,在额济纳旗!要知道当年中苏对垒,中蒙边界陈兵百万,要不是二号山傲视群雄镇住他们,胡杨就惨了可能都被拔到俄罗斯去了,哈哈,这是玩笑。“高楼万丈平地起,盘龙卧虎高山顶…”这谁都见过,可高山万丈平地起,恐怕只有额旗人见过。当年修二号山的时候,可能是额旗最风光的年代,那整日整夜的车水马龙,到夜晚那车灯一串一串的煞是好看,传说修二号山用过的汽油桶堆起来比山还高,一点都不为过。山不在高有仙则灵,如今山下的孩子都已长大成人,但愿二号山真的有神灵驻守,保佑胡杨,保佑额旗。


Brief Translation:

Everyone knows the first mountain of China is Mt. Everest, but where is the second mountain of China? It's just in Ejina county. Thanks to the existence of "Moutain the second" during the period when Russia and China fell foul of each o ther, without it, the beautiful diversifolious poplar trees were gonna be pulled out and plundered by the Russians. It's just kidding. However, back to the age when "Mountain the second" being built, the construction work was really huge: Thousands of heavy trucks queued in Ejina, in and out, day and nights. The gas cans used for those trucks piled up was even higher than the mountain (must be viewed by the author). Now the kids living near the mountain must have grown up already. We wish "Mountain the second" can still bring luck to Ejina county as well as the old poplar trees.


七.青山头


青山头,年轻的朋友可能不知道在额旗的哪里,但如果这样说,旗政府----青山头----十号----东风----酒泉卫星,就能明白额济纳人民对航天事业的贡献。在我们小的时候只知道额旗西边那一片如黛的青山是一个神秘的地方,不能问也不能说,那时就是手头有望远镜都不敢看二号山一眼,因为传说会被狙击手击毙的。1970年4月24日一个被载入史册的日子,“东方红一号”发射升空,我们当时做为小学生也打着红旗,敲着少先队标准的队鼓出去游行,在额济纳的旷野上走到了大西敖包。那时候看露天电影是一件激动人心的事情,但是每当“东方红一号”从额济纳天空划过,电影都要停下来,人们举头相望,象南极的企鹅见到飞机般行注目礼,直到卫星消失在地平线。但是可怜的是,那时的额旗人几乎百分之百的不知道,那颗伟大的星就是在额济纳的土地上发射的,可是他们一样感到荣耀,为祖国骄傲!多年以后,当我们终于可以站在她当初的发射架前仰视她的时候,自慰的是我终于看到了“青山头”的真面目,不由得想起额旗当时的一出小话剧的台词“青山头,青山头,过了青山头还是青山头……”


八. 大礼堂


“你知道吗?大礼堂烧掉了!”那一年,见到额旗来的人,第一句话就是这个,眼神中一片的凄然。因为那里是额济纳人唯一的精神殿堂,我们在那里看电影,看演出,演节目,留下了多少欢声笑语,融入了几代人的欢乐和记忆。那里曾是额旗乌兰牧骑的摇篮,在那里著名的蒙古族歌唱家德德玛走向了艺术的殿堂。那里也有黑色的记忆,在那里斗过走资派,第十二代王爷,抓过“内人党”。大礼堂还是拥军爱民的产物,是建设东风基地的解放军在国防建设的紧急关头为额旗人民建造的,也是对额旗人民无私奉献的一种补偿。也许是大礼堂的使命应该终结了,她见到了她该见的“两弹一星”的辉煌,不想见她不忍见到胡杨,红柳,海,河的衰落,化做红尘归去了。大礼堂在我们的心目中是那样的高大和完美,以至可以和人民大会堂媲美,她的悲壮的离去在我们的心里不亚于“9.11”双塔得倒塌。她毕竟离我们而去了,我们纪念她留给我们的一切,要把额旗建设的更美好,以告慰她的在天之灵。


九. 向解放军致敬


在神州5号成功发射之际,向解放军致敬!生活在边疆的人们,可能体会到与内地不一样的军民关系,额济纳旗在相当多的时间里都是解放军比老百姓多,军民历史上就结下了深厚的情谊。那些年无论到额旗的哪里,只要一招手军车就会停下来,只要顺路都会带上你,有病可以上军队的医院得到免费的治疗,嘴馋了可以到军人的小卖部买到地方上难以见到的糖果饼干,迷路的时候你可以到任何一个你可以找到的哨卡,得到食品和水。

那时候的孩子学习没有现在这么苦,整天舞刀弄抢的,而额旗的军事环境满足了他们的天性,我们在那里见识到各式各样的大炮,战车,坦克,飞机,有的时候可以摸一摸,爬一爬,乖一点的可以有幸到坦克或飞机里玩一会儿。到演习的时候,炮声隆隆,战火纷飞,比打伊拉克好看多了。战后你可以去打扫战场,子弹头弹壳可以用书包装,随便拣一些炮弹皮卖到收购站就可以买罐头吃了。有些战士和我们以及我们的家庭保持了很久的关系,这也许是我们念念不忘额旗的另一个原因吧。

在外地工作和生活,遇到过很多曾在额旗当兵的退伍军人,有的比你在额旗待的时间都长,当知道你是额旗人的时候,那真是如见到故人般拉着你的手不放,自然少不了大醉一场。额旗的故乡情中还融入了这些在那里度过军旅生涯的准额旗人的浓浓乡情。


十.苏社


有几位朋友谈起苏社,苏社在额旗可能是仅次于达镇的重要的地方吧,曾经在那儿的亲戚家住过几晚,还去过那儿的同学家,其余路过的时候太多了。曾经有一段时间,每个星期都要经过一次,那时父母被下放到“五七”干校,额旗的家是个空壳了,我在二完小住校,周末从老展览馆那儿军队的班车站坐免费的军车到苏社。从苏社到干校的路要穿过一些沙包和红柳窝,一个人走容易迷路,所以每次都是到苏社小学借一峰骆驼。“老驼识途”嘛,骑上骆驼放开缰绳,“信驼由缰”就到了干校,放开骆驼它回它的家,我回我干校的家,有的时候骆驼只管自己走,穿过很密的红柳丛,刮得你满脸的血道子。

放假的时候就在干校参加劳动,一般是赶着毛驴车拉羊粪,活很轻松也好玩,就是要小心毛驴一听到收工的钟声,就会象发疯一样奔向驴圈抢食,你要是卸套不及它会连人带车拖进驴圈,搞得你“人仰驴翻”。

最怀念苏社供销社,那里边光线虽然很暗,但那淡淡的煤油混合的糖果味让人怀念至今。


十一. 春来茶馆


文革时期有几个夏天,也正是2号山修的热火朝天的那几年,每到星期天有很多的解放军徒步从2号山到旗上来,戈壁烈日骄阳似火,看到解放军叔叔很是辛苦,一帮孩子们就在劳动渠边搭起凉棚,垒起锅灶,煮好了凉茶,免费让过路的军人饮用,有辛我也参加了这一有意义的活动,那么修2号山也有我的一份功劳了。刚开始的时候军人们喝完茶,都非要给钱,说是“不拿群众一针一线”,孩子们自然是坚持不受,军人们无以回报,就纷纷解下自己胸前的毛主席像章相送。日子久了,积攒的像章和各种小红书成了一笔意外的财富,过一段时间大家就要按大小,种类,人头分配一次,我们是那样地珍惜这些礼物,作为精神财富保存至今。

作为那个年代的“好人好事”,我们多次受到了部队首长和学校的表扬,一时在额济纳传为佳话,并以当时流行的样板戏沙家浜中的“春来茶馆”命名我们,我们中的头儿自然就被戏称为春来茶馆的老板娘,不过他可是一位男生哦。“相逢开口笑,过后不思量,人一走茶就凉……”,阿庆嫂的经典唱段传唱至今, 此茶馆自然比不得老舍的彼《茶馆》悠久,但依然让人思量不已。


十二. 纪念赵勇


这是我平生第一次想起来要纪念一个故去的人,不仅仅因为他是我的好朋友,更因为他是额旗人,我想借额济纳自己的网站,安慰我故友的亡灵,让他魂归故里,守望胡杨。

古语说了,好男人不死在床上,赵勇15年前,也就是他30岁那年,酒后因为一件离奇的事故去世了,他去得很悲壮。说到赵勇,老额旗人都知道他是赵华堂先生的独生儿子,同龄人知道他小时候不雅的外号“赵灰头”。他小的时候,大概一直到初中吧,是人神共烦,猪嫌狗不爱,几乎和所有的同龄人打过架,如果你有幸见过他的光头形象,那上面斑斑点点的伤痕真的和月球上的环形山一样多。那时候的他如果早早的去了,是给额旗去了一“害”,可上帝造人自有它的奇妙之处,就在他短暂一生的后半生,浪子回头,却实让额旗人刮目相看了一回。初中以后他有了美的追求,钟情于美术,文学,艺术,痴情于额旗纳那荒凉的一草一木,他的境界已得到了升华,从中看到了另一种美,开始了他自己,也是额济纳的“文艺复兴”。后来他拜额旗天津知青中的才子薛晓林(现为澳大利亚著名画家)为师,后在参军时又追随当时被打为右派的中国美学泰斗,著名画家高尔太先生,退伍后成为专职美术工作者。他的美术技艺在同行中可称一般,可他的那种如孩童般对美的天真的追求却是难得的,留给同行尤其是了解他过去的人的印象是刻骨铭心的,由此可以证实“美是一种发现”,一个深奥的美学主题,而赵勇本身经历的巨大反差就是一种人性的美。

赵勇是我知道的第一个用彩色照片纪录并向外界介绍额旗胡杨的人,70年代中期彩色照片还非常难得,我见到的第一组彩色的胡杨照片,是赵勇用120相机拍摄的,同底大小的一组照片装裱在黑色卡纸上,那时的彩色照片工艺落后,色彩失真厉害,大红大绿的,但更显示出胡杨的韵味,那美是令人震撼的,我也由此而知道额旗那些看了那么多年的胡杨原来是那么地美。后来那些照片有一部分被做成了明信片,可惜如赵勇逝去般已找不到了。赵勇短暂的一生没有白活,他从事美术的那个年代正是七八十年代,美被从压抑到发扬的年代,他体味了人生的美丽,如果他活到现在看到充斥着商业化的美的沦落,他一样会心痛死的。

赵勇是一个平凡的额济纳人,他代表了那个年代同龄的额济纳人对美的追求,虽然他已魂游天外了,但他依然是额济纳的游子,我们永远怀念他,让他在互联网上魂归故里吧!

啊嘛呢嘛咪哄!阿弥陀!,安拉!阿门!
Re: Chinese moated fortresses figgers 7/5/10 8:36 PM
And check this out:

http://su-27-china1.blog.163.com/blog/static/31706920103641820607/

The fortresses with moat can be found even near Beijing, the captial of China. The blog author said they were all military works built in the time when China and Russia were in bad relations (1960 - 1970), but most of them now abandoned or used as warehouses.
Re: Chinese moated fortresses Hill 7/6/10 3:28 PM
Thanks for posting this figgers. Now we have much more information about the origin of these defensive fortresses. This Google translate version isn't that good but helps a lot.

I have placed these fortresses in a folder with annotated observations. You can download the locations from the attachment below.

Directly below are screen captures of the forts located in eastern China. Some of these have undergone some significant changes over the past twenty years, as can be seen by viewing them with the "historical imagery" feature.















It seems possible there are yet more versions of these moated fortresses with moat in other parts of China. let me know if you find any more.
Re: Chinese moated fortresses Hill 7/9/10 10:07 AM
In my continuing search for details about these forts, I found the following Google books result.



This paragraph is from China Hands: Nine Decades of Adventure, Espionage, and Diplomacy in Asia
by James R. Lilley and Jeffrey Lilley



The forts in this collection have mounds that are about 500 yards long, not 100. But otherwise the description seems close. Shuang Cheng Zi is another name for Jiuquan, China's large western launch complex.
Re: Chinese moated fortresses nanoman 8/2/11 8:44 AM
It is really hard to find so much document about this fortress.
It is interesting even for me, a Chinese:)
The fortresses show us a picture of Sino-SU relationship changing in 60-70s, 20th century.
Re: Chinese moated fortresses heypolice25 8/13/11 11:33 PM
I see ,It's very interest .
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Re: Chinese moated fortresses Hill 4/1/12 9:58 AM
figgers mentions this link in his post above. It has been edited and expanded and shows even more information. It is well worth a read if you are interested in these fortresses..

Images of two new moated fortresses revealed by the link.



  




It, in turn, links to a blog which has a tour within one of these man-made mountain areas (left image above) in the eastern part of China..



The link with the revised collection of eastern forts is attached below as a response to this post.



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Re: Chinese moated fortresses Hill 4/1/12 2:59 PM

On Sunday, April 1, 2012 9:58:14 AM UTC-7, Hill wrote:
figgers mentions this link in his post above. It has been edited and expanded and shows even more information. It is well worth a read if you are interested in these fortresses..

Images of two new moated fortresses revealed by the link.

The link contains the following text. While the translation is somewhat imprecise, I hope you can figure out what the authors intended:

 The majority of these fortress has been abandoned, only a few remain as a warehouse, and tourist attractions.

 Fact, more than the edge of the desert, the Beijing-Tianjin region is also distributed a number of similar military fortifications are these man-made mountain and above the Lin Biao and whimsical masterpiece in 1971 after the death of Lin Biao barrier Mountain Project "to stop.

 

         Of course, a different discourse, said that the artificial hill built by Mao Zedong's instructions, but asked the man-made mountain is indeed the Vice Chairman Lin.

-------------------------------------------- According to Mao's instructions, China the army began to heap leading to the plains of Mongolia built just like a huge bunkerMan-made mountain, in order to resist the Soviet tanks. 
these man-made mountain design Each 20 to 40 meters high, positive and 250 to 400 meters wide, the depth of $ 20 to $ 20 m astronomical sum of money voted into the stone and earth from the distance shipped, in the mountains to establish a steel and concrete fortifications. who have seen these mountain people, including former U.S. Secretary of Defense James Schlesinger (James R. Schlesinger,) thought that rely on this several solitary The artificial hill to block the Soviet tanks in-depth, wide front of attack impossible. later this works let the matter rest.

                                                                                                                                    From the "Mao: The Unknown Story"

 

    Su Yu know their suspicions and doubts are justified, inspection, he further feel metaphysics, idealism and extreme leftist ideas, have a great impact and destruction in the military field, reflected not only in the field of military thinking, but also fallen victim to the national defense construction national defense projects. He saw a regionEngineering of man-made mountain, the seven man-made mountain, placed closer to a place away from the cutting-edge, away from the rear of relying on, the garrison direction is not right. He ever more worried about, the state has spent a large amount of capital, the majority of commanders and fighters of painstaking labor, but this artificial mountain project in terms of strategic or tactical point of view, and placement are wrong. The idea of ​​the formation of these errors tend to come from above. He believes that metaphysics, idealism is the serious hazards of the military and national defense construction, should arouse the central attaches great importance.

                                                                                                                                       From Su Yu Biography


 In May 1967, the Corps of Engineers hosted in Beijing convened heap Hill Engineering Conference, study and formulate the "man-made mountain engineering tactics technical requirements (draft)", 
  according to this "request", the artificial mountain is to defend the coastal mountains, to defend the plain transport hub and strategic points, to defend the backbone of the fortifications of the big cities, mainly for long-range artillery trial, and every mountain tube of 40-50 km. Therefore, the distance between the two artificial hill can not be too close to the cross Lee gunfire. Construction of connection between mountains fortifications, configuration, small and medium artillery. Artificial mountain and connected fortifications rely on each other to connect the fortifications to cover man-made mountain. The artificial hill also assume the role of artillery observation and command posts, once the enemy crossed, but also as an artillery fortress to stay behind enemy lines.   An artificial hill to configure a garrison camp, including a long-range artillery battery (4-6 guns); 1-2 garrison and even (with light anti-tank weapons, antiaircraft weapons, and other infantry weapons); wartime enter an artillery command structure.The total strength of about 300-500 people.   Artificial mountain Yamagata diamond unimodal or bimodal oval at altitudes of 20-40 m, the front width of 250-400 m, 120-220 m depth. Tunnel axis length of 600-1000 m, Keng Daokou 6-10. The fortifications requirements to 500-1000 pounds of blasting cartridge able to withstand a direct hit. Internal requirements of the natural ventilation, electricity and water supply.

 
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Re: Chinese moated fortresses Hill 4/1/12 3:23 PM
This post contains the placemark collection associated with my post from 9:58 AM April 1. 



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