Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet?

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Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? nickthisname 5/3/12 6:31 AM
I have refused to update my tablet's youtube application because it says that it can access my video camera, camera and microphone to record audio, video and stills whenever it wants. Just where the hell does youtube and google get the balls to think they can do such a thing? Privacy policy? What privacy? Screw youtube and screw google for even trying such an orwellian move. What's next? You want to record me in my bedroom? Analyze my blood, piss and vitals? To what end and for what purpose do they feel they even need or should have access to do those things? Anybody got answers over at youtube or google?
JDoors 5/3/12 7:07 AM <This message has been deleted.>
Re: Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? HatebadUpdates 5/3/12 11:22 AM


On Thursday, 3 May 2012 09:31:43 UTC-4, nickthisname wrote:
I have refused to update my tablet's youtube application because it says that it can access my video camera, camera and microphone to record audio, video and stills whenever it wants. Just where the hell does youtube and google get the balls to think they can do such a thing? Privacy policy? What privacy? Screw youtube and screw google for even trying such an orwellian move. What's next? You want to record me in my bedroom? Analyze my blood, piss and vitals? To what end and for what purpose do they feel they even need or should have access to do those things? Anybody got answers over at youtube or google?

I don't own a tablet but would be very interested in reading what you describe, if you could post a screenshot.

On my laptop, using Vista-32, I know I had to change the setting for the camera and mic settings for Flash Player in control panel from "Ask..." to "Block...", not sure if there is an equivalent setting on a tablet or if it's even the same thing.
Re: Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? nickthisname 5/4/12 9:22 AM
I would think they only need access to the recording not the device making it
Re: Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? nickthisname 5/4/12 9:28 AM
JDoors 5/4/12 10:06 AM <This message has been deleted.>
macahi 5/4/12 11:05 AM <This message has been deleted.>
Re: Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? macahi 5/4/12 11:10 AM
Ok, I just re-read that screen-shot, and I now realize that it's just say that they app can now be used to record whereas before apparently you needed to use a different video recorder or camera software, then upload it to youtube.  Now, this app can do that for you.

It's going to do it when YOU tell it to, not all on it's own.

Re: Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? uftube 5/4/12 11:55 AM
Im sitting here with my lap top and i learned long ago to put a piece of tape over the camera ,if i want a camera on i will plug one in !
JDoors 5/4/12 11:58 AM <This message has been deleted.>
Re: Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? Girloveswaffles 5/4/12 12:48 PM


On Friday, May 4, 2012 11:55:45 AM UTC-7, uftube wrote:
Im sitting here with my lap top and i learned long ago to put a piece of tape over the camera ,if i want a camera on i will plug one in !

Copy / Paste!   I did that with my iMac and Macbook long ago. 
Re: Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? nickthisname 5/5/12 10:26 PM
Where does it say when I tell it to? It says whatever the camera SEES, and that lens could be seeing all the time for all I know. It sounds non-threatening to you but not to me. So please explain to me where it says it doesn't record without permission; cause I fail to see that stipulation. I would also note that this permission was not requested on my smartphone update - only on the tablet - like they knew it wouldn't fly on the phone so they would try it out on the tablet and gauge reaction. It's the same with google maps; did you notice its latest update wants access to your microphone for audio? What the hell has that to do with a map app?  
Re: Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? nickthisname 5/5/12 10:29 PM
The same piece of black-tape is on the lens from the first boot-up on my laptop as well. No thanks, I'll decide when a camera will be in my face thank you.
Re: Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? nickthisname 5/5/12 10:37 PM
On Friday, May 4, 2012 1:06:00 PM UTC-4, JDoors wrote:
> What is the URL of the page you&#39;re on? That&#39;s not a YouTube page, and I don&#39;t know where that page appears, if it does, in Google. Looks more like an app page (if so, who wrote and provided the app?).</div>
>  </div>
> I don&#39;t see where it says they may access your camera and microphone without your authorization.</div>

Did you look at all three images? I should have just put the third one up; they are Youtube Android Application updates. In other words Google owns them and they update their software as they see fit. It's not some third party; it's Google for God's sake.

It clearly states in the screen-shot that it is a Hardware CONTROL and it can take pictures and record video AT ANY TIME which certainly would include ALL THE TIME. If it doesn't show me where it's excluded from recording any time it wants to.
JDoors 5/6/12 7:02 AM <This message has been deleted.>
Re: Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? macahi 5/6/12 3:10 PM
I did a little digging on this because as evil as I do believe Google has become in the last few years, I just don't believe that even they would do something like what you suspect they're doing.  The potential privacy lawsuits, not to mention spying charges, could actually destroy the company.  If they were to do this, they could potentially have access to corporate insider information.  Not only is that illegal by itself, but because of regulations like Sarbanes-Oxley (SOX), if it was discovered that Androids could do this, they would be immediately banned from all corporate campuses and buildings.  Their stock and any trust in the company would drop to zero.  They would never take a chance like this.

That message that you posted in the third screenshot actually comes from the Camera API (Application Programming Interface) software.  WIthout going into all the details, an API is a set of code that other applications can use to interface with whatever the API was written for, in this case, the camera hardware.

Any software that wants to use the camera will now use that API software to tell it how to work, how to capture video or still images and what to do with them (ie, write to disk).
Any software which is using that API displays that message you see.   Do a search on the web and you will find that message on Android apps like AppMakr, FireFox, Silent Camera plus and more.

I agree it could have been worded better, and apparently you're not the only one it's freaking out, however, it's really not operating the camera outside of your controls.

If you feel more comfortable with the electrical tape over the lens, then by all means leave it there.

Re: Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? macahi 5/6/12 3:42 PM
Amen Bradah  ;-)
JDoors 5/6/12 4:43 PM <This message has been deleted.>
Re: Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? HatebadUpdates 5/6/12 8:48 PM
I agree the black tape is a bullet-proof method, but personally, on my HP Pavillion laptop, any time the camera goes active, the blue pilot light beside it lights up, so that is enough assurance for me to monitor it's activity. Tablets probably don't have a pilot light.

Good explanation on the API, Macahi, thanks. I had the same impression from the screenshots that they are from 3rd party apps, but also feel that their screens are misleading making them look like YT.
JDoors 5/7/12 4:57 AM <This message has been deleted.>
Re: Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? nickthisname 5/7/12 7:40 AM
It may be a minor point to you but I fail to see where I've insulted you so it's a bit more than minor to me. So without further adieu.........where did you attend elementary school? When I learned to speak English (my native form of communication) all those words that were placed in that screenshot I posted and in that particular order have a meaning like I have described. Based on Webster's definitions of "any", "time", "it" in this case youtube (stick with me on the context) and "wants" we are pretty easy to interpret and shouldn't pose much of a problem for a guy like you who is obviously quick in the fuse area so I'm hoping some of the more evolved characteristics have had an opportunity join the fuse area and perhaps this will click. Or perhaps not. No matter it is minor point.

That is the cool thing about truth; it simply doesn't care what you think of it. So please destroy my truth and tell me how (for clearly I must be the idiot here who has lost his grasp of basic english and needs the wisdom of one such as yourself to ferret out the real meaning of all those single-syllable words) I should be defining those words.

See to me it is not a "belief" regarding the application's permissions (perhaps you practice a voodoo form of english where "beliefs" can be gleaned from a word and even multiple beliefs can be arrived at as well changing the intent, result or outcome accordingly. That does however sort of negate the whole purpose of the words to begin with now doesn't it? I mean if what I say can mean so many different things what would be the purpose in stating them anyway right? It's not like I'd be able to count on them meaning the same thing to all who read them if they can mean several things simultaneously.

Now I must admit that your official argument of "fine don't use the damn app" is about as intelligent as your knee-jerk reaction to a discussion among adults that you turned into a sandbox bitch-fest. So I guess I do have one last issue yes. That would be you and your rude, trite bullshit attitude. Can you find a way to fix it?

 

JDoors 5/7/12 8:11 AM <This message has been deleted.>
Re: Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? anmoose 5/7/12 9:33 AM
@nickthisname, your question has been answered. Put a damned piece of tape over it. And while you're at it, put a bigger piece of tape over your smart-ass keyboard. The only one turning this thread into a "sandbox bitch-fest" is yourself.
JDoors 5/7/12 10:05 AM <This message has been deleted.>
Re: Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? HatebadUpdates 5/7/12 6:30 PM


On Monday, 7 May 2012 07:57:18 UTC-4, JDoors wrote:
 
(Psst ... how do you know nefarious software can't turn off the light?)

Well, that would just........suck.......digging out my black tape ;-)
JDoors 5/7/12 7:31 PM <This message has been deleted.>
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Re: Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? anmoose 5/7/12 8:04 PM
With my current (and justified) level of trust in Google, the very day I first powered up my CR-48 "Chromebook," I stuck tape over both the camera and the mic. Just sayin'...
JDoors 5/8/12 5:18 AM <This message has been deleted.>
Re: Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? anmoose 5/8/12 8:42 AM
I don't want them seeing my collection of blowup dolls...
Re: Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? nickthisname 5/8/12 4:44 PM
Wouldn't not responding to questions in a discussion also be an insult? You have taken a position of knowing the intensions of an application's use of hardware without the slightest bit of facts which would prove the veracity of your statements. I showed screenshots depicting my claims; where is the proof you have that they will not use the access for anything nefarious?
Re: Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? nickthisname 5/8/12 4:51 PM
So the answer is what again? Yes they can or no they cannot? If they can't then the black-tape would not be required; if they can then it would. So can they or can't they?

Smart-ass will not be going anywhere; if you don't like it, don't respond. I was fairly certain JDoors could defend himself but apparently your assistance was required so that you both could tell me that no, in fact, the application cannot access my hardware at will but put black-tape on the lens and microphone. Brilliant contradiction from you both. You two sound like you know a whole lot on this subject. I'd come with some more factual information if I was speaking from the position of authority but apparently facts and proof aren't required where you come from. I, on the other hand, don't live in La-La Land and like to deal in facts.

JDoors 5/8/12 5:00 PM <This message has been deleted.>
Re: Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? macahi 5/8/12 5:20 PM
There is no possible way to guarantee to you that they *can't*.

In my other post, I detailed some of the many reasons why they *won't*, even if they could.

If that's not enough to assuage your concerns, then by all means choose your own solution, whether that's electrical tape, or becoming a luddite.  Whichever solution works best for you, it's yours to choose.

Re: Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? nickthisname 5/9/12 2:23 AM
There is little I can do for blindness, or probably better-put: willful ignorance. If the screen-shot isn't enough for you then there is little I can give you that will convince you. So my request to you is to stop posting your lack of anything useful which does no good in answering the question. I would rather no longer waste your time or mine since very little meaningful, factual information has been offered. A picture depicting the requested permission in front of the Youtube logo on a Samsung tablet will surely convince an intelligent individual they may need to look into the subject. Your contribution would hardly waylay anyone's fears though so how about move on to a topic that you can do some good? Let's face it, you have ignored any questions I have put to you directly as though they have been rhetorical. This I surmise (which if you had the ability to answer would not have to be) is due to your lack of real knowledge on the subject. I have directly addressed those areas you have put back on me to the best of my ability yet you continue to engage in sophomoric attacks that are as transparent as your know-how on this subject so please do me the favor of forgetting my or this question's existence; I would be forever in your debt and appreciate any absence of a permanent variety to a greater extent than I can possibly put into words.
Re: Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? JDoors 5/9/12 4:36 AM
Personal insults and the OP's request to stop posting leads me to withdraw from your thread. Good luck with your issue.
Re: Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? anmoose 5/9/12 9:59 AM
Wuss.....  :-)
Re: Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? JDoors 5/9/12 10:02 AM
I'm only a man, not a big, strong, handsome Moose. I do what I can.
Re: Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? macahi 5/9/12 1:08 PM
Apparently, you're no flying squirrel either.

Get a pair of acorns... ;-)

Re: Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? Klementine 5/9/12 2:20 PM
YouTube for the Troubled Teen:
Search:
shoot the god damned laptop +redneck +"north carolina"
Find:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl1ujzRidmU
Re: Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? anmoose 5/9/12 3:03 PM
Hahahaaa! Perfect!
Re: Where does Youtube get off accessing camera and recording audio on my tablet? JDoors 5/9/12 3:09 PM

On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 3:08:29 PM UTC-5, macahi wrote:
Apparently, you're no flying squirrel either.

Get a pair of acorns... ;-)

Ha! Good one. 
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