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HTML5 now being forced on older browsers

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HTML5 now being forced on older browsers Nodikus 11/29/16 7:46 PM
Hello,
This evening the html5 player began being used as default on older browsers (IE9, Firefox 28) with no option to switch it back to flash. My system is old (using vista) and the html5 player is extremely limited, laggy and generally unusable. Whereas flash worked more or less perfectly. Upgrading Browsers is not really an option either. I hope that this can be fixed and the option to have flash default again can be readded.


Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers foxman362 11/29/16 8:13 PM

 Please get rid  your browser doesn't support full screen bar on youtube  in safari bring back flashplayer function disable html5.

Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers YoungKnoccOut .X 11/29/16 8:18 PM
DUDE WTF i cant believe they did this. i really dont have time for these games. GOOGLE CHANGE THIS
Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers raybk7 11/29/16 8:29 PM
Google/YouTube intentionally makes that change.
With HTML5, video playback is sluggish. It also crashes and hangs easily.
Previously with Flash, I don't have this problems and playback is nice and smooth.
Please bring back the choice for users. Don't be the shameful Microsoft to force users to use IE. Google, are you forcing users to use Chrome?
Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers YoungKnoccOut .X 11/29/16 9:08 PM
IM USING SAFARI AND IM HAVING THE SAME ISSUE, I DONT FEEL LIKE USING CHROME AND FIREFOX 
THEY BETTER FIX THIS. 
Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers YoungKnoccOut .X 11/29/16 9:21 PM
hOW DO I DO THIS? SAFARI WONT LET ME DO FULLSCREEN, WHAT MUST I DO. where do i click. when i went on that html page i couldnt do nothing
Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers Bomb Bloke 11/29/16 10:23 PM
I also noticed the change immediately. I assume there's still the option of using a browser addon to force the suitable player, but we really shouldn't have to modify our browsers just to get acceptable performance.
Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers anmoose 11/30/16 10:08 AM
They pulled this stunt on me a couple of days ago, and I wasted a few hours trying unsuccessfully to find a hack to undo it. To say that I was highly pissed would be an understatement. I finally found this add-on, compatible with Firefox 27, that restored Flash as the default, and all is back to normal.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-video-player/?src=userprofile

For other browsers, you're on your own.


On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 10:46:10 PM UTC-5, Nodikus wrote:
Hello,
This evening the html5 player began being used as default on older browsers (IE9, Firefox 28) with no option to switch it back to flash. My system is old (using vista) and the html5 player is extremely limited, laggy and generally unusable. Whereas flash worked more or less perfectly. Upgrading Browsers is not really an option either. I hope that this can be fixed and the option to have flash default again can be readded.


Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers Jim Steinbrecher 12/1/16 4:43 AM
gone from 20% CPU to play 480p videos on my netbook with the flash player to 100% cpu and unwatchable with the html5 player. not to mention this kills the battery much faster. 

i guess google / youtube is trying to drive people away en masse, like they did with the catastrophic googleplus integration. no warning , even, just one day youtube stops working for millions of people worldwide, and uses 5x more energy for everyone else. i guess they gave up on "dont be evil" a long time ago. 
Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers Mike Blackbird 12/1/16 5:39 AM
yup! ugh!! ..I CAME HERE TO SAY THE SAME THING! X(
what the HECK YouTube! STOP "FORCING" your crappy Html5 player! It is INFERIOR to Flash !  it's Pretty stupid/sad& PATHETIC that I have to use an "Add-on" to get back Flash!! ..and ..NOW since you've removed the "button" to even give us the CHOICE .. now when i use the "flash add-on" ..it doesn't LOAD the "flash" RIGHT AWAY ..instead--> ..it starts out as a "static-y" ..("html5 wont play on this browser" blah blah blah) MESSAGE!! ..THENNNN it reverts to the Flash player!  ..but I dont want that lousy PART in the beginning! You RUIN EVERYTHING dont you!
You people are TECH-IGNORANT FOOLS, sheep, and succumb to--> fear-tactics. (Flash is PERFECTLY SAFE u fools)!
-- Flash is 10x's better than HTML5. And as far as "security risks"..you people are insane, and ignorant. I run an OLDER (yes, you heard me correctly) OLDER VERSION OF Flash. and Flawlessly too. Forget "worries" about "security-risks" OR "support".. Smh. unreal.
--->> Please i BEG ANYone to TRY to hack me or give me a "virus" through my Flash player! PLEASE TRY IT! smfh! damn you's! idiots!

-- You people are RUINING the web-experience FOR EVERYONE..all over the place you're ruining it! And look at this ... THIS crappy, bland, bleh, dull, flat, "1D" or 2D" looking..piece of crap--> "HTML5" .. [example] ..  http://prntscr.com/cil4r6 [screenshot]  -- NOW look at this BEAUTIFUL Flash version !! .. [example] ..  http://prntscr.com/cil6ge [screenshot]
-- I'll take (far-superior) FLASH!..over crappy HTML! .. ANY day!!
Flash is far-less resource intensive too! .. And ..it doesn't make any "skips" in the AUDIO!..whereas "HTML5 player" >> DOES.
..When something is running and it "tops out" (a big "spike" in the CPU)--> the AUDIO SKIPS!! .. Flash doesn't do that AT ALL!!

(SAME REASON I STICK WITH "Win7Pro" and NOT 8/8.1/OR--> 10.  ) ...
▬►►► ..It's ones like you/s who have been ruining the (ONCE BEAUTIFUL and Pleasant) 'web-experience' --> for the past 3+ years! It's all been downhill SINCE! ..since about--> 2013, .. and is continuing! ..and at a rapid rate! ...
...You fools have turned the web/webpages and etc (and programs and operating systems, you name it) into the ugliest looking things ive seen, and are a joke compared to-->>> Pre-2013 software & hardware!!.. (in appearance AND performance/quality etc). NOW (since 2013).. it's all▬► flat/bland/blah/dull/generic/cheap-looking/chintzy-looking/1-Dimensional looking JUNK! (in appearance AND performance)!

And you same fools that have done that..have (also) been ruining the web-experience (in more ways than one) even more.. by being ignorant about "Adobe Flash" and have been choosing the inferior HTML5 junk!! *Such as HERE @YouTube! X((

-- I could care-less who agrees with me or not, I will debate the top "IT techs" in this world and put them to shame about it. They're all a bunch of mislead foolish ignoramuses .


92% of the population out there..is..
-->> It's nothing but the Blind & Ignorant leading the BLIND & IGNORANT
Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers foxman362 12/1/16 6:36 AM

On older browsers html5  if wanna make the little pop up   black bar button disappear (your browser doesn't support full screen)

just click full screen button on the right side.


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Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers beatleman88 12/1/16 7:00 AM
Deal with it
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Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers Mike Blackbird 12/1/16 7:47 AM
Re:  Sad! ..BUT TRUE! Franko! :(


-- Heh, also, .. would you believe i have had my "Windows updates" (DOWNDATES) totally disabled (in "services.msc") for over 3+ years,  ..guess what..my PC runs--> smooth & compatible and runs like a dream!!!▬► like the day I got it (4yrs ago)! yup! 
Yeah -- I did the updates and patches etc, for about 1yr.  -- Ive had them disabled now for over 3 years. (***i highly recommend doing that for any "7" users. ok.   Win7 has been smooth & compatible for YEARS now, so, there's no need for so-called updates or patches etc) ▬► My ($paid, not a freebie) ANTIVIRUS program keeps me MORE THAN safe-&-protected (with these main 2 things)▬► .. it handles my FIREWALL (it controls my windows firewall), AND▬► keeps me more-than-protected with it's LIVE-Updates/REALTIME updates. On the spot!! .. no need to wait for "Microbrains" anymore. Plus they (Microbrains) stink at "security" anyways. Yeah that "Windows Defender" didnt do a damned thing! I disabled that (and eventually removed it) 2 years ago.

Uh --- "2020 end of support for Win7"? ..Uh, ..ASK ME IF I CARE...? -- Nope. \
-- I will use my Win7 till 2052 and beyond .....
(un-patched, un-Updated, and unsupported and all! yep)! .....
***If I still had "XP" you bet your ass I'd be still using THAT right now TOO ..
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Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers p0k314 12/1/16 9:52 AM
[solution] Opera 12 (Presto engine).

Opera12 install directory\gstreamer\plugins\

Move into other folder gstwebmdec.dll - do not change only name - DLL will be still loading. You have Flash on YT.


PS
Ah, almost forgot: f.. o.. Google.
Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers foxman362 12/1/16 7:30 PM
Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers Yolo Tryhard 12/3/16 7:23 AM
Temporary (I guess) workaround with userscript:

http://www.everfall.com/paste/id.php?osgz4g0agqkb
Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers anmoose 12/3/16 10:00 AM
For Firefox users who may have missed it, I posted this link earlier, for an addon that is working perfectly for me in version 27.0.1: It forces the player to default to Flash, in spite of Google's determination to stick us with their crap.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-video-player/?src=userprofile
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Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers Mike Blackbird 12/3/16 2:59 PM
Yeah anmoose -- That's the one I use too (..actually.. BEEN using it..when they/YT did this before, and took away that "button" on the youtube html5 page, etc), but, .. yeah ..it DOES work (nicely too), BUT(??)-->> .. dont YOU get that (static) "HTML5 message wont play error" MESSAGE upon FIRST 2 seconds of load, THEN it flips and goes to Flash?? ...I do :/
--See ..it seems that (even with that add-on), that it (youtube) will STILL try to load the html5 player ..but then switch/flip and then go to the Flash :/

Yeah.. so (in my case)..it's an "eye-soar" (and an extra 2 seconds) now ..every time YT vid i watch [sighs] ..
Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers Mike Blackbird 12/3/16 3:15 PM
anmoose -- You use FF 27.01?  -- cool. lol "ME"?..i use 25.0.1 (and with a purple "Lavafox) theme. +(Plus all my other lovely addons).
~Yup..i love version 25 of FF. I think it's the best version they've ever had. I have even made many comments on FF forums and emails & etc TELLING THEM (Mozilla) that they should start trying to head back towards what they had in their version 25 because it was/is their best version. I dont hear back from them (about it) of course. lol.
I have my (many) reasons for liking/preferring "25" .. but yeah .. one thing i will add here, is, .. yeah if ever i get those things like "You're using an older version of Firefox that we (google/youtube) will not be supporting soon" please upgrade,.. blah blah blah ( a Big blue banner on top of YT pages, AND also..a Yellow banner/strip in my Gmail with basically saying the same thing) heh ..you know what i do in those cases?.. I block the▬► Element.  *I use to use "Adblock plus" as my main adblocker ..then i use to also use :Element Hider Helper" to go along with "ABP" (even though come to find out.."element hider helper"--> wasnt needed..because you can block it by having "ABP" and pressing "F12" ..or "inspect element" from the right-click context menu, etc and block it out THAT WAY too,..but actually .."Element Hider Helper" DID make it quite easier i will say, yeah)!, but, ..lately ..for like 6 months ive been using→ uBlock Origin , which i kind of like better than ABP. Yup ..uBlock also has an 'Element Blocker" ..in the Right-Click context menu. -- but yeah .. heehee..im a sneaky bird lols/Giggles ヅ
-- Oh, and by the way .. that SAME "browser" of mine? my outdated one? that "GoogleTube" said they'll soon stop supporting (which i first got the message a year ago) yeah my older "FF25" STILL WORKS WONDERFULLY! lol
..and it will continue to ...
Or, I can change the userstring too! .. LOLSSS! hehehe..
Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers anmoose 12/4/16 1:15 AM
On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 5:59:35 PM UTC-5, Mike Blackbird wrote:
Yeah anmoose -- That's the one I use too (..actually.. BEEN using it..when they/YT did this before, and took away that "button" on the youtube html5 page, etc),

Personally, I hadn't had any issues until this latest bomb, so I hadn't investigated.
 
but, .. yeah ..it DOES work (nicely too), BUT(??)-->> .. dont YOU get that (static) "HTML5 message wont play error" MESSAGE upon FIRST 2 seconds of load, THEN it flips and goes to Flash?? ...I do :/

I see that screen when the video first opens, but for no more than a tenth of a second, and then it switches, and the video starts. I had to do a split second screen capture in order to see what the message said. I'm finding it very easy to ignore at this point.
 
--See ..it seems that (even with that add-on), that it (youtube) will STILL try to load the html5 player ..

Of course they will. That's the whole point of the addon. To block it when they do it.
 
but then switch/flip and then go to the Flash :/

Correct. Except in my case all of this has taken place in substantially less than a second.

Yeah.. so (in my case)..it's an "eye-soar" (and an extra 2 seconds) now ..every time YT vid i watch [sighs] ..

Sounds like your setup is pretty sluggish. But even at that, is it better than the alternative?
 
Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers anmoose 12/4/16 1:41 AM
On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 6:15:23 PM UTC-5, Mike Blackbird wrote:
anmoose -- You use FF 27.01?

Correct.
 
  -- cool. lol "ME"?..i use 25.0.1 (and with a purple "Lavafox) theme. +(Plus all my other lovely addons).

Quite a bit more ancient, and I only use one other addon, Adblock Plus. It could be that your "all my other lovely addons"are eating some resources and bogging things down. They can do that.
 
I have my (many) reasons for liking/preferring "25" .. but yeah .. one thing i will add here, is, .. yeah if ever i get those things like "You're using an older version of Firefox that we (google/youtube) will not be supporting soon" please upgrade,.. blah blah blah

I get those now and then and flatly ignore them. Of course they don't support it. I already know that. It goes right on working anyway, and until it stops working, I flatly don't care.
 
( a Big blue banner on top of YT pages, AND also..a Yellow banner/strip in my Gmail with basically saying the same thing) heh

I don't get blue banners, and I wouldn't use Gmail if someone held a gun to my head! Google has enough of our personal info as it is, and I sure as Hell don't want them reading my private emails. I have my own domain and my own email server.
 
..you know what i do in those cases?.. I block the▬► Element.  *I use to use "Adblock plus" as my main adblocker ..then i use to also use :Element Hider Helper" to go along with "ABP"

And on and on and on... Looks to me like you spend way too much time just keeping up with addons. I haven't touched Adblock Plus since the day I installed it, the same day I installed FF 27.0.1 almost 3 years ago. And I haven't needed to go looking for anything else until this newest bull crap, which led me to this Flash addon. I like to keep things simple. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, and if it breaks, just fix what broke and move on.

Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers recentteen14 12/4/16 1:41 AM
Do it yourself solution: Add this to the end of your video URLs.
&nohtml5=1
Works on any browser, forces it back to the flash player. Only issue is there is no automatic way of doing it.
Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers Mike Blackbird 12/4/16 9:03 AM
sheesh.
-- Yes .. YT did the same thing about a year ago, and they removed the button to switch HTML5/Flash, for maybe about a week. That is when i first installed the Flash Add-on. But then YT brought it back, and i disabled it. But THEN about say 3 or 4 months ago, YT really started messing with "flash" on their site (and i know it was only on their site, embedded YT vids on other sites worked perfectly fine, and had the "thumbnail previews" and all. and no, "other sites" i dont mean Facebook lol, i dont go there), So yeah they started messing with Flash and made all the video thumbnail previews not work, and were blacked-out. And, "flash player" would only load properly about 60-70% of the time, otherwise would have to refresh the page once, then it would load. -- And, no ..nothing im about to say has ANYthing to do with "my" set-up, computer, nor internet connection/speeds, etc etc.
-- So yes ..Ive experimented with the flash addon off and on for a while. When that "button" on the html5 YT page is THERE ..i can use the add on and it works fine. When YT removes the button... i get that "html5 message" on the player and it refreshes to load Flash.
***And when i said "2 seconds"? that was an EXAGGERATION lol. Didnt you see my Screenshot? from one of my older comments? I have Time Warner Cable and im NOT on WiFi  and i have► 350 MB download speeds! lolss!  *in case u missed it my friend→  .. Speedtest [screenshot]
Again, i say, the "2 seconds" was an exaggeration, but nonetheless..it's an eye-soar.

You say "Of course they will" try to load the html5 player. -- Well, that may be the case, But as ive stated a few times ..it does not do that (show that html5 player AT ALL) when YT has that button there in the backroom and that html5 YT page. But when they do get rid of it, It makes it worse for us trying to still use flash, because as ive said ..it loads the html5 player anyways!..whether for a tenth of a second, or 2 seconds, or 10 seconds, it still SHOWS whereas (when the YT option to SWITCH is "there" it doesnt)! see?. I hope ya understand what im saying.

And to finish up this part -- AGAIN I SAY ..lols.. it has nothing to do with "my" end being "sluggish" -- My Dell desktop is only 4 years old, I use Norton antivirus since 2009 on my PCs .. My system runs like a dream .. no viruses or malware or nothing of the sorts. And as Ive proved .. I have a Super fast internet connection -- and I am hard-wired.
-- I have "TCP speed tweek" done to my computer also -- It added another "50MBs" to my internet speeds. Ok.  I have Firefox "About:config" SPEED AND PERFORMANCE tweaks done to my "ancient" browser. lol ok. My Browser is lightning fast. I have "Memory fox" which refreshes "RAM" ..and on ALL of my processes too!  -- I have other Windows registry speed & performance tweaks and other various tweaks done to my system. No im not a gamer .. but for what "I" do on the PC & internet i need all the speed i can get.
***And no, ...all my "lovely" ADD-ONS do NOT effect/affect my speed or performance ..AS ONE can SEE on my 'Speedtest' results (screenshots), that ..u mustve missed the 1st time around lol sorry buddy.
-Eh.. maybe im just a little (or a LOT) too far advanced and knowledgeable to be here trying to explain "yt" and their "dumb things" that they do, and their shenanigans! because it seems people arent understanding, or they're missing things that were previously said/shown

-- YOUTUBE IS DELIBERATELY MESSING WITH FLASH! ..and ON PURPOSE too (is the point of most of this)!

Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers Mike Blackbird 12/4/16 9:11 AM
*Edit: 350 "Mbps" (i meant) not MB. - duh [smacks his head] lol.

And -- btw that reply above was to "ananmoose"
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Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers Mike Blackbird 12/4/16 10:04 AM

anmoose:

- Well, i disabled my adblocker (that has the built-in element hider/blocker) and, i no longer see the YouTube "blue strip" message anymore, about the "outdated/unsupported browser" -- i was gonna take a screenshot, but it isnt there anymore. But, heh, i DID have it showing for me (on the site) for about a year or two! (but for me..it was really 'hidden' the whole time, yeah). -- But wow..i cannot believe YOU didn't/don't have it!? wow.  Yeah..if you are using "FF27" i would almost guarantee you SHOULD (would) have it. wow, that's strange. But hey..im glad for you (glad you dont have it).

-- And no, ..see, .. the "You're using and older browser" message that 'i' sometimes get on sites?, no, i never "block" THOSE elements, ..ONLY the (outdated browser) 'Blue Strips' (like that) on "YT" is the one that I do. Well, ..and the one (yellow one) on Gmail too.  -- And yeah, the ONLY reason (emails) i use "Gmail" for? is► for YouTube + Gplus.  Nothing else. So..'i' ONLY get emails/notices that are YT/G+ related, and nothing else.

Nah, my MAIN is→ Yahoo.

***I am a "Yahoo guy".

As a matter of fact -- "I" dont even use "Google search" -- I use Yahoo. -- Much better in my strong opinion.


-- I Like Google "MAPS" for their "Streetview" ..but that is about all I like Goooooogle for, or use it for. lol. (And, i hardly even use Gogle maps to begin with, but).


But, so back to the "Element blocker" thinige. Yeah .. see .. I dont mess with it too much, ..but, yeah , there are some instances when i want to clean up a page (that i frequent) with all their junk. And that is a great tool to do it with. *Like i said though..it's built-right-in to most of the adblocker add-on/extensions that 'i' know of.

.. Yeah.. you can remove just about anything on ANY webpage. Like 99% of the elements or placeholders etc, you can remove/block/hide/etc.

trust me ..for ones like me..it comes in very handy.

Plus.the darn internet (webpages etc) are getting more and more bloated by the minute.

-- and Adblockers dont always remove everything, etc.

And plus, .. anmoose -- i suggest you get "Ghostery" too, ok. - yeah.


Like I said .. i had some Typos up there in my other comment .. I meant to say "Mbps" NOT "MB" - etc.

i dont know where my head was at. ugh

..Yeah, i even correct people when they say "MegaBytes" in cases where it should be "Megabits" lol.

i correct people on "your & you're" too. lol.

i am grammar police.


Another quick thing to mention (BECAUSE I STRONGLY RECOMMEND IT FOR EVERYYYBODY that sees/reads this, ..and...like i Said ...it will ADD probably► "30-50Mbps" to your speedtest! it will only improve/enhance your "download" speeds though, not Ping, or Upload speeds,.. And yes.. when you visit a WEBPAGE..you're→ "DOWNLOADING" IT. So hence..faster "download" speeds = faster internet etc) - but yeah, ..When i said "TCP speed tweak"? the official name i meant to say was/is ▬► "TCP Optimizer" from "SpeedGuide"  -- ok! Trust me! -- (Dont be scared) It doesn't do anything but ADJUST what you ALREADY HAVE (under your hood!..in your Windows registry) ok! Look, your "OS" comes SLOWER THAN ITS CAPABLE OF (by default), Just like your BROWSER does TOO -- but with a few minor/quick tweaks you can get the most out of your OS & browser, and etc. speed category and performance.


***People that use Firefox..i suggest looking up some "about:config" tweaks - that will enhance your browsers speed and performance.

OR ..you can use a light addon that will do some/a lot of that for you ..and that is .. "FasterFox" .


I highly suggest "Process Hacker" too - You can **SAVE** the "High" Priorities for processes  and It also lets ya set "HIGH" on "I/O priority"

-- "Prio" is a GREAT extra for the stock "Windows Task Manager" .. (i have that too) but i highly suggest getting Process Hacker as I said.


Again, I highly suggest "Memory fox" -- it refreshes RAM memory ..on Intervals of your liking. It can either refresh the browser RAM alone OR "ALL" processes" -- I have it set on "all" . And, it even runs when/if you close FF. And, ..it is VERY small. I mean VERY small/lightweight. One of the smallest "resource" using processes i have in my whole system. Highly recommended .

The TCP Optimizer .. you dont even have to install it .. it's a portable Zip, and when you set it once, you close it out and you dont ever have to open it again. period. And your system is flying with an EXTRA→ 30-50Mbps (in MOST cases). 


-- I could keep going and going and going --

***ANY tech questions and/or Software advice .. I am very knowledgeable and experienced ..Feel free to private message me at my YouTube channel (if anyone wants) ..and I will get back to you right away


Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers Mike Blackbird 12/4/16 10:10 AM
whoops ..was typing fast (wheres that "edit" button when you need it lol)
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Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers anmoose 12/4/16 10:11 AM
On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 12:03:50 PM UTC-5, Mike Blackbird wrote:
sheesh.

Back at ya.

-- Yes .. YT did the same thing about a year ago, and they removed the button to switch HTML5/Flash, for maybe about a week. That is when i first installed the Flash Add-on.

Good fer you. I never noticed such an event, and in fact I haven't looked at that HTML5 page for ages. Haven't had any reason to.
 
But then YT brought it back, and i disabled it. But THEN about say 3 or 4 months ago, YT really started messing with "flash" on their site

And I never noticed any of this, either. My own setup just kept working, so we'll just take your word for it.
 
 And, "flash player" would only load properly about 60-70% of the time, otherwise would have to refresh the page once, then it would load. --

And likewise, I personally never encountered such a problem.

And, no ..nothing im about to say has ANYthing to do with "my" set-up, computer, nor internet connection/speeds, etc etc.

Okay fine. So it would appear, then, that YouTube just doesn't like you.....

-- So yes ..Ive experimented with the flash addon off and on for a while.

And again, good fer you. Myself, I've just never had a need.
 
When that "button" on the html5 YT page is THERE ..i can use the add on and it works fine. When YT removes the button... i get that "html5 message" on the player and it refreshes to load Flash.

And yet again, not a phenomenon I've personally ever encountered.
 
***And when i said "2 seconds"? that was an EXAGGERATION lol.

When you say it not once, but twice, emphasizing it, people will tend to assume that you probably actually mean it.....

Didnt you see my Screenshot? from one of my older comments?

Nope.
 
I have Time Warner Cable and im NOT on WiFi  and i have► 350 MB download speeds! lolss!  *in case u missed it my friend→  .. Speedtest [screenshot]

I'm thrilled for you, but your blistering Internet speed is irrelevant. The issues do not occur on my lowly 50mbps FiOS connection, even with wifi.

Again, i say, the "2 seconds" was an exaggeration, but nonetheless..it's an eye-soar.

See above, and your eye-soar is a mere blink that I personally do not see as an eyesore.

You say "Of course they will" try to load the html5 player. -- Well, that may be the case, But as ive stated a few times ..it does not do that (show that html5 player AT ALL) when YT has that button there in the backroom and that html5 YT page. But when they do get rid of it, It makes it worse for us trying to still use flash, because as ive said ..it loads the html5 player anyways!..whether for a tenth of a second, or 2 seconds, or 10 seconds, it still SHOWS whereas (when the YT option to SWITCH is "there" it doesnt)! see?. I hope ya understand what im saying.

Whatever.....

And to finish up this part -- AGAIN I SAY ..lols.. it has nothing to do with "my" end being "sluggish" -- My Dell desktop is only 4 years old,

I'm sure we're all thrilled by your stunning system specs... [snipped]
 
-Eh.. maybe im just a little (or a LOT) too far advanced and knowledgeable to be here trying to explain "yt" and their "dumb things" that they do, and their shenanigans! because it seems people arent understanding, or they're missing things that were previously said/shown

Yeah, that must be it. You're just way too far "advanced and knowledgeaable" for us lesser mortals.

-- YOUTUBE IS DELIBERATELY MESSING WITH FLASH! ..and ON PURPOSE too (is the point of most of this)!

This is a point we established years ago. They're still doing it, but now they're getting more aggressive about it, which has caused myself and a number of other "lesser mortals" to suddenly have a need to look for a fix we've never needed until now. Hence my posting of a link to one I found that works, and that I thought might prove useful to others.  :-)

Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers Mike Blackbird 12/4/16 10:15 AM

MadFranko008

-- Yep .. Me,..I use (older) Flash "11.7" ☺

works like a charm!

plays smooth, no freezes..no unresponsive script errors, no lags or hangs, and▬► NO ONE CAN HACK ME THROUGH MY FLASH PLUG-IN either! ha ha ha

***I invite ANYone on this planet to try to hack me or give me a virus through my Flash plug-in! Smfh..

Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers Mike Blackbird 12/4/16 10:44 AM
*I used the wrong "soar" when eye-soar, yup..i meant "eye sore" -- I know the difference, and actually use it quite often, but it was a typo lol
I am just really use to "SOARING" HIGH ..therefore "Soar" was/is stuck in my mind ; )

Quick reply: Yep  anmoose  - That Flash add-on is probably the best one out there (available), works great, and thanks for posting it to/for the people.


-- anmoose: I hope you take some of my OTHER suggestions in that "tech article" i (recently) just wrote, (above)↑  lol  ...
Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers anmoose 12/4/16 11:04 AM
On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 1:44:39 PM UTC-5, Mike Blackbird wrote:

-- anmoose: I hope you take some of my OTHER suggestions in that "tech article" i (recently) just wrote, (above)↑  lol  ...
Your offer is both noted and appreciated. However, I've been at this since the days when computers were programmed with Fortran IV and punch cards. My first PC was a 286 with MS-DOS 3.1, and I build, program, and tweak my own, so I'm reasonably well versed...

(PS - I don't trust Yahoo, or any other webmail, either. My mail server is on my domain server, in the closet in this room.  :-) )

Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers Mike Blackbird 12/4/16 11:33 AM
anmoose: " I've been at this since the days.."  -- Well, however 'long' you've been dong "such & such" is literally irrelevant and doesn't mean a thing. At all.
-- And, (Im curious) if you have such enormous "trust issues" then why do you even use "Firefox" (for example)?, ..and not something like "Tor" and boot-up "Tails" from an external hard-drive ;) lols

No offense , but, I could care-less if you've been doing "such and such" since 1960!!! .. I've only been doing "such & such" since about 2009 and Im ahead of you and 20+ others▬► combined. *(and THAT INCLUDES the top "techs" at Google inc. and YouTube etc). 
-- Maybe you could/can learn "a thing or two" from us "newjacks/noobs" huh .. lols ..
Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers anmoose 12/4/16 12:07 PM
On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 2:33:45 PM UTC-5, Mike Blackbird wrote:
anmoose: " I've been at this since the days.."  -- Well, however 'long' you've been dong "such & such" is literally irrelevant and doesn't mean a thing. At all.

LOL! You just proved what I was already pretty sure of.
 
-- And, (Im curious) if you have such enormous "trust issues" then why do you even use "Firefox" (for example)?

Perhaps because I know how?.....
 
, ..and not something like "Tor" and boot-up "Tails" from an external hard-drive ;) lols

You actually have no idea at all what I'm booting up, or from where, do you?

No offense , but, I could care-less if you've been doing "such and such" since 1960!!! ..

I haven't been doing "such and such."  I've been designing and building computers from scratch, and programming them from the ground up, for what I'd bet is substantially longer than you've even been on this planet. And frankly my dear, I couldn't care less what you've been doing since 2009.

I've only been doing "such & such" since about 2009

I'd already been on YouTube for three years by then..... <smirk>

and Im ahead of you and 20+ others▬► combined. *(and THAT INCLUDES the top "techs" at Google inc. and YouTube etc). 

Oh, I'm sure you know more about everything than the rest of the planet combined, as you'll be quick to remind us. You're probably even smarter than Donald Trump. LOL

-- Maybe you could/can learn "a thing or two" from us "newjacks/noobs" huh .. lols ..

I learn a thing or two every day, but so far today, none of it has been from you.  :-)

Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers Mike Blackbird 12/4/16 4:39 PM
*(Had to attend to something/s)
Anmoose: RE: You've been doing "computer stuff" longer than "I" have been on this planet? uh, i doubt it.  -- I am 41 years old, "dear".  And my soul is VERY ancient, but that's a story for another time.
-- Again, i could care-less "how long" you've been doing "such & such" .. It does not mean anything, nothing at all. period.
-- Oh? You dont care what "I" have been doing since "2009"? well, you should! ..because.. i can fly CIRCLES AROUND YOU, ..and 20+ other combined (like ive said), and have shown...by some examples..here in this thread. What is is exactly YOU have shown? or provided? besides "1" add-on? Let's hear some of your "expertise" .. Let's see YOU do what "I" have done for the people in this thread and/or future readers. (I shall not repeat them all neither) -- If anyone DOES "my" suggestions" they will be amazed at the vast differences , enhancements , and overall greatly-improved web-experience & computer advantages.
-- please .. by all means .. Lay down some suggestions for the folks -- I HAVE
"teach ME" a "thing or two" then! m'kay.

-- And byt he way, ..when i said "such and such" since 2009?.. i meant a helluva LOT more than just "YouTube" visits or activity!

-- And, uh, ..whoopdie-doo .. you've been on "YouTube" for the first "3 years" of it's existence. And THAT proves WHAT (exactly)? ..I'll tell you what that proves ..You've seen 'more' CAT VIDEOS and "Baby" videos than i ... lmfao ...

-- You've learned nothing from The Bird today? .. uh, follow my suggestions KIDDO and you'd be much better-off ...
Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers Mike Blackbird 12/4/16 4:59 PM
***I'll be fair here anmoose,   -- When it comes to "hardware and building computers" you could probably blow me out of the water.  But..when it comes to "SOFTWARE and THE INTERNET" I guarantee I can blow you out of the water, and 20 of your buddies, ~in a single "swoosh"  --- (Im a bird,.. "I" SWOOSH) .
--- Let's face it Moosey, (basically) once the hardware is set..not much else needs to be done (...for several years at least), etc. ***Whereas "SOFTWARE & THE INTERNET"...(MY categories and areas of expertise)... DO change...BY THE MINUTE. So .. I think in this case..you should moreover listen TO ME -- and not the other way around ..

(but)--Dont take my suggestions then, or apply/render my services. m'kay.  Who's loss/es would that be, .. ~Certainly not mine .....
Re: HTML5 now being forced on older browsers anmoose 12/4/16 5:43 PM
On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 7:39:12 PM UTC-5, Mike Blackbird wrote:
*(Had to attend to something/s)
Anmoose: RE: You've been doing "computer stuff" longer than "I" have been on this planet? uh, i doubt it.  -- I am 41 years old, "dear". 

Then my assumption was correct.  :-)
 
And my soul is VERY ancient, but that's a story for another time.

It's also off topic, as is the majority of everything else you've been posting here.
 
-- Oh? You dont care what "I" have been doing since "2009"?

No, I don't. Really I don't.
 
well, you should! ..because.. i can fly CIRCLES AROUND YOU, ..and 20+ other combined (like ive said),

Yes, you have already said that, and it's just as meaningless the second time around.
 
 What is is exactly YOU have shown?

I have "shown" the OP (remember him?) exactly the one and only tool he needs to correct the issue he came here asking about. A single simple add-on. There is nothing else that needs to be shown.

"teach ME" a "thing or two" then! m'kay.

No thanks. You're clearly not worth the hassle.

-- And byt he way, ..when i said "such and such" since 2009?.. i meant a helluva LOT more than just "YouTube" visits or activity!

"Such and such" can mean a lot of things. It can also mean nothing at all. I put a computer online for the first time in 1994, with a 300 baud Hayes external modem, and set up my first email account then. And I studied Internet security in those years under the tutelage of Phil Zimmerman, among others. I still have the original floppy disk he gave me with PGP 2.6.2. What were you doing during those 15 years?... Not that it's even relevant...

-- And, uh, ..whoopdie-doo .. you've been on "YouTube" for the first "3 years" of it's existence. And THAT proves WHAT (exactly)?

Absolutely nothing, exactly what you've been "proving."

-- You've learned nothing from The Bird today? ..

Nope.
 
uh, follow my suggestions KIDDO and you'd be much better-off ...

Don't hold yer breath.
 
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