|Agora Aggregator?||DarkPrime||2/2/13 6:39 AM|
So was checking my videos and discoverd that one them had a copyright claim of ''Agora Aggregator'', so i went on a searching spree but i couldnt find anything about. who is this? is this a company ? they claimed copyright on a video from F.E.A.R 3 (with commentary so its not just gameplay)
so does anyone have any idea?
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||NightStalker791||2/2/13 7:09 AM|
I got a copyright claim on one of my Max Payne 3 let's play vids. I don't know what it is
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||DarkPrime||2/2/13 7:14 AM|
thats kinda the main issue...nobody seems to know what it is X_x
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||NightStalker791||2/2/13 10:02 AM|
Yep. I've had 2 Max Payne 3 videos flagged, and I've seen about 10-15 others who are having the same issue.
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||Gallaway PT||2/2/13 10:06 AM|
I've also got copyright in one of my I am Alive gameplays wtf is thsi a new administrator?
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||NightStalker791||2/2/13 10:11 AM|
I don't know. It needs to stop though.
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||Sharis Flips||2/2/13 5:53 PM|
WTF is this???
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||Ralph Sweeney||2/2/13 6:47 PM|
..same problem here..my max payne 3 vids are gettn hammered with Agora Aggregator
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||DarkPrime||2/2/13 6:53 PM|
The only vid for me was the first part of my fear 3 videos *there are only 2 parts*
the second part didnt get flagged...
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||Ralph Sweeney||2/2/13 6:56 PM|
This must be some sort of bug.
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||DarkPrime||2/2/13 6:58 PM|
no idea but just to be sure i just send a mail to warner bros and see what they have to say about it...i mean as far as i know ''playthrough'' or ''Lets plays'' fall under the whole fair use thing if im correct
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||Drago2308||2/2/13 10:48 PM|
Yea just got a email saying Agora Aggregator copyright so I just plain ignored it for now, sadly i have no idea what it is oor who it is but im not willing to say that the copyright claim is valid so yea, dont say that it is valid until you know what it is.
also the copyright claim was pinpointed to a random point in my video which made no sense at all so that's why I ignored it
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||METALLICA||2/3/13 12:25 AM|
I got it too -_- Agora Aggregator on max payne 3.If somebody figure it out what is it let us know.
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||rewboss||2/3/13 1:20 AM|
1. Gameplay with commentary doesn't automatically fall under "fair use" -- in fact, nothing about fair use is automatic at all.
2. I also cannot find out who this "Agora Aggregator" is. There is a Polish media company called Agora, but that's the closest I can get. At this point, my guess is that it's some sort of YouTube gaming network. Probably they've registered a lot of their videos with the content ID system and it's throwing up a lot of false positives.
3. If you get a copyright claim or a content ID match, do not ever ignore it. Go to your YouTube account settings, and very carefully read the notification you find there. Make sure you understand whether your video has actually been taken down as the result of a copyright infringement claim or merely matched against content registered with content ID (which sometimes, but not always, is a type of copyright infringement claim).
4. The notification will also explain how you should dispute the claim if you believe it is incorrect. Make sure you read all the information there and follow the instructions to the letter. If the match or claim is incorrect, please dispute it. Not disputing it will just make the claimants think everything is working as it should be.
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||Drago2308||2/3/13 1:57 AM|
then how are we meant to dispute it if we have no idea how the copyright infringement was made. (my video copyright was pinpointed to a point in the where noting really happens just me and my friends talking in commentary)
P.S The copyright claim luckily hasn't taken down my video.
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||rewboss||2/3/13 3:12 AM|
It's really not rocket science. Click on "I believe this copyright claim is not valid", and then choose the most appropriate category -- if the software comes with a licence that allows you to upload gameplay (check the game's terms of service and end user licence agreement) you can choose "I have a license or written permission..."; if not, I suggest the one about "fair use or fair dealing". You get a chance to explain in more detail: explain that you made the gameplay yourself, that the game belongs to [name of software company], and that you are certain Agora Aggregate is not the rightful owner.
This information will go to the claimant, who is supposed to review your video and release any erroneous claim.
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||DarkPrime||2/3/13 6:20 AM|
Might just do that
and since you know a thing or 2 about this. i was wondering what does happen when you acknowledge the claim? it just stays there or is there then a more change of it being taken down?
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||Gabller N Royal||2/4/13 8:35 AM|
I've actually got a saved email from Ubisoft giving permission and see the same name pop up for my I Am Alive videos. At each claimed moment is a different sound effect then someone in game or on audio will say "What." Just keep disputing and this will be resolved when YouTube gets around to it. It's technically fraud for this person or people to misuse their program in this way.
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||DarkPrime||2/4/13 9:40 AM|
They claimed the copyright at my videos for a bleeping sound apperantly xD
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||djbutipower||2/4/13 12:36 PM|
This guy agora has been placing copyright on my audio in my Max Payne 3 Let's plays and the matched audio is from the GAME's soundtrack, I didn't even add it. The game it self played it. This shit is outrageous.
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||Drew Quarles||2/6/13 2:37 AM|
Agora is a software company based out of Lincoln, MA. They've worked primarily with internet software, but under the description of their services there's a listing for "Graphic Design Conception, Design and Implementation".
So obviously, the Agora Aggregator is a little piece of software that's being used to generate graphic elements alongside the game's engine. The claims aren't entirely unfounded, but considering that Agora already got paid for the use of their software by the publisher and most, if not almost all, of the videos they're flagging are Fair Use, they need to eat a bag of dicks on this one.
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||BAk99official||2/6/13 6:03 AM|
I believe all infringements should of been filed as Agora/Aggregator as the following explanation of each term is as shown below.
An Agora facilitates exchange between buyers and sellers. Prices are "discovered" through real-time, on-the-spot negotiations, whether through one-to-one haggling or through multi-party auctions and exchanges. A wide variety of goods and services are available, and access to the marketplace is relatively easy for those whose products or services fit the category. The highest profile examples are eBay and Priceline.
In an Aggregation B-web, one company usually leads in hierarchical fashion, positioning itself as a value-adding intermediary between producers and customers. The lead aggregator takes responsibility for value selection and fulfillment, pricing, and market segmentation. E*Trade has aggregated many companies to create a virtual stock broker, charging one-tenth the fees of a regular broker.
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||TodayinGeek||2/6/13 8:54 PM|
I've looked into about 10 videos that have had Agora Aggregation claims against them and they all seem to have a chime / swooshing sound effect at that claimed point in time. I'm guessing they make sound effects, which were licensed by the game companies, that end up in the videos.
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||Gabller N Royal||2/6/13 11:07 PM|
Visual content administered by: 10:38
Agora Aggregator I was under the assumption that meant they claimed a visual aspect. Regardless unless it is under a separate license from the game (Like Copyrighted music contained within a game that is not owned by the studio) then it is included under any and all agreements made by the company who placed them within their game. In addition I believe standard copyright law dictates that a media must be present for more than 10% of the final monetized product in order for copyright claims to be made. This may be old or simply specific to radio/TV information. But since copyright law would be concerned unless it has changed drastically one half second sound would have to repeat over 150 times to have any right to claim copyright on the average 15 minute LP video.
Again: speculation based on my former experience with actual copyright law. Of course this is not a court of law this is Google/YouTube - Us - Agora Aggregator Google may choose to buckle under the immense weight of these seemingly bogus accusations or they may choose to support their users. That is all there is to it.We'll know when the submitted disputes come back.
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||XXLRay||2/7/13 12:43 AM|
Acknowledging the claim does only shorten (stop) the dispute process. It does not remove the claim.
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||TheLoneBeet||2/7/13 5:18 AM|
From what I've read it's just some asshole flagging random videos with claims that aren't valid. But to be completely safe I suggest you e-mail permissionrequests(at)ea(dot)com to get written permission. This will also help you dispute all future claims. I received this advice from EA forums so spread the word I guess.
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||Unthra Dox||2/7/13 8:58 PM|
This is disgusting that youtube are even allowing this company to falsely flag and make money off ILLEGALLY claiming rights to EA Game's content.
Google need to do something about this false DMCA flagging because it's interfering with our videos and IS FRAUD.
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||XXLRay||2/7/13 10:04 PM|
Youtube is just the streaming service. The copyright issue is between you and the lawyer. I agree that this situation is bad but how could Youtube decide whether a legal DMCA claim is valid or not? That's a job for judges.
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||gbcali||2/7/13 11:12 PM|
I believe if all of you complainers would bother to compare notes you'd discover Agora Aggregator's seems to have enrolled the following content into the CID reference database:
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||Gabller N Royal||2/8/13 12:25 AM|
@XXL Ray: I don't think it would be absurd to request legal documentation for a copyright before allowing something to be registered with Content ID given the fact that whether or not Agora Aggregator is or is not using it fraudulently some people are. It seems a better use of man power to vet the claims first rather than wait for an issue to show up.
@gbcali: I can't tell thanks to text if complainers is supposed to have a negative connotation or not but all the claims on my videos are for visual content at moments not including black screens. So I think you have some notes mixed up there. Regardless the thread is not for complaint but rather an attempt to find out what is going on simply because we want to be sure we're not getting screwed over. Given the fact that you're posting here I'd assume you were looking for answers too. As I've said previously copyright law would dictate that the infringed material cover more than 10% of the total monetized product so even if those two items are what are being claimed the claim is still a fraudulent use of the system to try and grab ad revenue by a third party.
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||XXLRay||2/8/13 12:34 AM|
Maybe I am mistaken but as far as I understand it a DMCA notice already is a legal action and not only pressing a button.
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||gbcali||2/8/13 1:31 AM|
On Friday, February 8, 2013 12:25:57 AM UTC-8, Gabller N Royal wrote:
25 posts from gamers in this thread and not a single example that could be examined. That's why I used the word "complainers" because that's all you're doing. The subject of copyright trolling (which is what may be happening here) is fairly hot right now and if you gamers actually backed up your claims by showing examples you might get some media coverage and/or legal help.
You are getting screwed over. Gamers are the ideal "low hanging fruit" that's easy to pluck and plunder. Gamers don't own the content they upload so a copyright troll needn't fear being sued by any of you.
The 10% thing is a fairy tale. Courts have ruled that using just 2 seconds of someone else's sound recording violates copyright law ––> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeport_Music,_Inc._v._Dimension_Films
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||rewboss||2/8/13 2:39 AM|
I believe standard copyright law dictates that a media must be present for more than 10% of the final monetized product in order for copyright claims to be made.
Incorrect: there is no such provision in US law, or any other copyright law I have ever encountered. It would lead to serious anomalies: you could make a video consisting of an entire half-hour TV show followed by five hours of a photo of your house and the owner of the TV show would not be able to claim it.
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||FLAProphet||2/8/13 7:08 AM|
I used the fair use selection and explained everything and it was removed.
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||Unthra Dox||2/8/13 7:15 AM|
Good news guys, after disputing the claim last night they have dropped it.
Looks like it's a program mistakenly matching the short cut scenes in games from partner content?
I can now monetise my video.
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||Tolga Cenker||2/10/13 11:30 AM|
can you tell me what i should click, when disputting the video?
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||DarkPrime||2/10/13 2:26 PM|
What i did was the ''Fair Use'' option...still waiting the result of the dispute...
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||andythebeagle||2/10/13 6:22 PM|
Ever do a Google search on some of these people??
Try this: http://tinyurl.com/a4p4e2w
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||Blood López||2/11/13 1:26 AM|
What you have explain with the claim? pliz
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||DarkPrime||2/11/13 10:59 AM|
Just fill in the form why you think its a false claim....
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||Blood López||2/11/13 11:15 PM|
I do it yet, waiting for the result of claim.
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||Person546632||2/12/13 11:36 AM|
So you're saying these guys own it but these guys do not own it. You're telling youtube you knowingly upload content of someone elses ownership. Thats why i'd never dispute like that even thought it is a false claim.
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||DarkPrime||2/12/13 11:43 AM|
It still falls under the fair use as far as i know
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||Aaron Farrelly||2/13/13 5:25 AM|
I've had both Agora and this TVPartners put claims on my video and I really don't get it.
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||Drew Quarles||2/13/13 9:42 AM|
I just go my third content claim from them, several days after the first two were dropped. This time I used the term "indicative of fraudulent behavior" in my dispute and the claim was dropped within the hour. It just seems like someone's clutching at straws.
|Re: Agora Aggregator?||Sharis Flips||2/13/13 12:29 PM|
the agora aggregator he removed the copyright notice on the video
i just say on the claim,they dont have the copyright.