i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!!

Showing 1-174 of 174 messages
i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! miraqe7 7/31/11 10:54 PM
send the answer to my mail -   mir...@gmail.com .... thanks.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! aygul 8/1/11 1:33 AM
To invite members to your group:
1. Click the Invite members link on your group's homepage.
2. Under the Invite members by email tab, add your new members' names and email addresses.
3. Write an invitation message to introduce your group to your invited members.
4. Select Invite members to send the invitations.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Sune 8/1/11 9:23 AM
@aygul: The INVITE MEMBER option is not the same as the ADD MEMBER.

I manage several lists for organisations, that use the mailinglist for internal communication (hundreds of members). Members was added after joining the organisation - and paying the membershipfee - and is closed groups. 

The ADD MEMBER funtion makes surer that all members are effectively added to the mailinglist. The INVITE option has earlier been evaluated, but is NOT working, as many(!) members never do the confirmation or never see the invitation if that mail goes in spam-filters.

I assume you already did read the help in your link, and know, that INVITE demand an active confirmation by the receiver of the invitation, before the actual mail-address is added to the mailinglist.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! aygul 8/1/11 1:25 PM
@Sune: Last week Google has made several changes to the new Google Groups based on user feedback to improve your discussion experience.
Among them are spam improvements. Google removed the option to “Add members directly” to googlegroups.com groups since spammers have unfortunately abused this feature. Group owners will still be able to invite you to join their groups and you will have to accept their invitation before you start participating in and receiving messages from the group.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Sune 8/3/11 2:12 AM
@aygul: Yes, I did read this announcement. The Spam problem is minimal in my experinece, and the "solution" is far, far more disturbing, than the problem.
I suggest Google to find other methods to fight eventually spam-problems, and keep the essential functionality of adding members directly, and eventually block the Adding for some groups?
The conclusion is, that regardssless of othe rproblems (as spam), the ADDD DIRECTLY is essential, for users as organizations that use Google Groups for internal communication, and needs 100% coverage of members.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! tyamadajp 8/3/11 10:36 PM
Agrees with the poster 100%.

Why can't Google just do as Yahoo! does?
Yahoo! limits number of members that can be added each day, and that's what I call a "solution".

Just think of following usecase:

  "John, could you add these new 50 members of this year to the list?"
  "Return to me afterwards so I can send announcement of next month meetup."

With this change, Google Groups probably pissed off hundreds of "John, the Google Group list admin"s.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Monojit Banerjee 8/4/11 4:02 AM
Google Groups has created a lot of irritation for me (as mailing list manager) and my organisation by this decision to remove the "ADD MEMBERS DIRECTLY" feature.
 
I have to manage many groups (of different categories of stakeholders) and the number of such groups keeps on increasing year on year.
 
IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO SEND INVITATIONS AND KEEP ON TRACKING THEM INDEFINITELY TO SEE WHETHER THEY WERE INDEED ACCEPTED. I FACE REGULAR COMPLAINTS FROM THE WOULD BE MEMBERS WHO REPORT THAT THEY ARE NOT GETTING THE GROUP MAILS AND THEY EXPECT ME TO ADD THEM (i.e. SOLVE THE PROBLEM FOR THEM).
 
Therefore, our request to the policymakers at Google is that - please bring back the "Add Members Directly" feature and find another solution to the spam problem. For example, take a decision on a case by case basis. If there is spamming activity in a group (i.e. too many complaints from users) then shut off the add feature for that group only and spare the rest of us.
 
PLEASE TREAT THIS AS AN EMEREGENCY / S.O.S.     AND RESTORE THE "ADD MEMBERS DIRECTLY" FEATURE.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! ynos1234 8/4/11 5:34 AM
PLEASE RESTORE "ADD MEMBERS DIRECTLY" FEATURE because i too face the same crisis. i have made a group for my class mates for sending the notes and the solutions that teachers gave us.

another problem i faced is that if u invite a friend in yahoo the invitation goes directly to spam box in yahoo.. so probably he/she may not notice it and wont  even notice the invitation and still complains that they didn't receive the invitation. moreover we cant tell them to check their spam box for invitation from Google. so  please restore the add members directly tab.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! alexgillis 8/4/11 6:21 AM
PLEASE RESTORE "ADD MEMBERS DIRECTLY" FEATURE  +1
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! margot12345 8/4/11 6:57 AM
i agree with the posters above. i'm an intern at a small nonprofit in washington dc and i'm in charge of adding members to the listserv. our ability to communicate directly with people involved in our organization is now compromised because of this decision.
 
google, please bring it back!!!
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! debralcamp 8/4/11 11:02 AM
I am another agreeing!!  I was just changing over an entire school from yahoo groups and now don't want to because of having to deal with the invitations and people not getting the emails.  I will continue to use yahoo until the feature is restored!
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! AmericanPresident 8/4/11 4:24 PM
First they link the business account to our personal account and make it a mind game to be logged into both at the same time, now this!  I am going to join the Tea Party and start taking hostages (namely the American economy) soon. Please bring back the direct add feature.  

My second problem is that apparently a member was kicked off somehow and even though he does not show up in my list of members, it will not send him another invitation because it says he is a member.  
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Ken Sko 8/4/11 6:06 PM
Please restore the Add Members Directly feature. I agree with all of the comments listed above. It's not possible to keep following up with every member of the group to ensure that they accept the invitation. As an administrator of several groups, it's impossible to manage members on an "opt in" basis.  We need to be able to add individuals manually and then move on to other more important tasks.  As someone suggested, this new functionality would be better if it was optional!
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Ken Sko 8/4/11 6:25 PM
I found another problem with the new functionality. If you send someone an invitation to join a Google Group, you can't send someone another invitation.  When you go to invite members, it will says "X invitations not sent, because these people are already part of the group."  They're not part of the group... they never accepted the invitation!  I can't figure out how to re-invite members if they lost the first email. Any suggestions?
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! febec 8/4/11 9:08 PM
not only i cannot add members to the group i manage but the invitation i sent are not being received....  google should restore the option that let managers add members.  i wonder if invitations are only being sent to gmail addresses?
very annoying and time consuming.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! user-adm 8/4/11 11:55 PM
yes... i agree with all the posts above... i think with this "decision", google has pissed of MANY lists admin when they are asked to insert email address on the fly... we cannot just sit there and wait for people to accept the invitation, especially when many of the invitations ends up in junk... i may have to explore other listserv options
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Nairobi 8/5/11 5:00 AM
Please bring the "add members directly" option back. I created a group at the beginning of July and have added lots of people but now I have invited so many more and people are complaining that they've never gotten the invite or they are slow to open their emails to accept the invite and I cant keep track of who has gotten what email that was sent to the group based on when the person accepted.
This is too much work! I thought google groups was supposed to make life easier.
I may just have to go to Yahoo and start from scratch. MORE WORK...UGH!!!
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! febec 8/5/11 5:58 AM
I am upset that Google don't bother responding here. My group is small, but using a group type communication is important to us. i am seriously considering leaving google and trying something different. looking for recomandation for other groups? i know yahoo has a similar thing, is it good?
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! KeithNeill 8/5/11 7:33 AM
Ditto.  My particular group is a jazz newsletter, and people give me their email addresses at gigs etc.  The "typical" member is elderly and is not particularly IT literate; in fact I was talking to someone the other day whose email had been set up by his son, who told me they enjoyed getting the newsletter, but didn't know how to even reply to an email!

The "because of spam" argument is ridiculous: my list has been running for about 2 years, has 1,500 members, and has never had a single complaint.  There must be a way of scoring this so as to not penalise legitimate users.  Or as suggested above - limit it to 10 or 20 additions per day; most legitimate users would not need more.  Oh, and I am a fully paid up Google Apps user with 15 staff mailboxes too.

My experience has been similar - of the five or six addresses I have added since this changed only one has subsequently clicked the link to actually subscribe.  I think there is also an issue with these invitations being difficult to understand, and I am sure a lot also end up in spam filters (which brings us full circle, to users who probably don't even realise they have a spam mailbox to check).
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Francisco Aguayo 8/5/11 10:14 AM
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RESTORE "ADD MEMBERS DIRECTLY" FEATURE
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! befcvt 8/5/11 11:57 AM
Out of support, I am going to add my vote as well to add this feature back in.  As another poster had mentioned, I also run a group where many members are elderly, non-computer types.  I work for a church and we send our prayer requests to a group of folks who have ALREADY requested to be part of the group.  Many of these folks are running computers purchased and set-up by their children and grandchildren in order to stay in touch via email, but that's the extent of what they are able to do.  When I send them an invite, they don't know how to check their spam folders, much less do they know what to do with a blue underlined portion of an email that then (if they actually click it) takes them to a more complicated set of instructions.  I chose google groups over yahoo because of the spam issues yahoo was having and wanted to protect our members as much as possible, but now I may be forced to go with them as our only alternative (and how will THAT effect over 120 members of my already well-functioning prayer chain?).  Honestly, the only reason I went the group route to begin with is that the gmail app/web mail do not support group mailing via mobile phones, specifically the iphone, which is where I send all of my requests from.  The group also makes it easier for my pastor to send a note directly rather than having to bother me for it.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! wichak 8/5/11 9:55 PM
Please recover "Add member directly" feature.
Please use confirmation code to avoid spam instead of feature removing
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Greenymeenie 8/5/11 10:42 PM
I manage a group for a bunch of lazy gamers. They cant be bothered to accept an invitation so I have to manually add every one. Google made it impossible for me to get people involved into the community. Please bring back the Add Member Function.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! paobolanos68 8/6/11 9:39 PM
DEAR GOOGLE!

I've been a big fan of google and googlegroups.  I, too, manage several groups in google.  I teach in university and I use email lists, such as yahoo and google, to make sure that my students receive announcements, especially in emergency cases.  I also use this lists to send out my instructional materials.  I have recently migrated all my yahoogroups to googlegroups PRECISELY BECAUSE OF THE ADD MEMBERS DIRECTLY FEATURE.  This feature allowed me to account for all my students without worrying whether they have been added or not, until a few days ago.  I also use googlegroups for internal and private communications within the department where I am the chairperson.  The ADD MEMBERS DIRECTLY FEATURE is the (or was the) "defining" feature of googleroups which made it superior compared to yahoogroups.  Now that the feature is discontinued, perhaps people will look for other services.  I AM JOINING THE OTHERS WHO ARE SOLICITING THE RETURN OF THIS VERY IMPORTANT AND HELPFUL FEATURE.  Thank you google for hearing this out.
WebRep
Overall rating
 
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! awkeating 8/7/11 5:06 AM
Dear Google,
I manage 4 groups for my hospital and have been doing so without problem for 3 years. Now that you have removed the "Add member directly" option I must migrate away from your service. Unless of course you announce its return. Too bad because I previously had nothing but praise for Google. This however was a bad move on your part. You should respond to these concerns from the highest level! I can feel support for your organization leaking away!
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! docsnowridersinc 8/7/11 6:06 AM
PLEASE  ACTIVATE "ADD MEMBERS DIRECTLY" FUNCTION. I'm having the same issue where member's do not recieve the invite and I was able to easily add members through "ADD MEMBERS DIRECTLY". PLEASE  ACTIVATE  "ADD MEMBERS DIRECTLY" FUNCTION.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! redmenace 8/7/11 9:16 AM
I also want "add members directly" back! My fledgling political organization will be strangled by this change. Nobody signs up on our clipboards to be "invited" to our email list, they sign up to be "added"!
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! windyegret 8/7/11 10:39 AM
Ditto. I just noticed the missing "add directly" feature today. I need it to get 100% coverage for the group without jumping through hoops.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Sune 8/7/11 2:19 PM
Google claims that the reason for removing the ADD DIRECT is fighting spammers.

I suspect Google to have another reason: 
To force all (new) members to create a google-account! As the INVITATION ACCEPT demands a google account?

Of course this will not result in more Google Accounts, but less, as more and more googlegroup administrators feel the need to move to other mailingliste... :-/  Besides the generel badwill... and sadness...

I did report the story to a danish magazine, hoping for publicity, and for some questions to Google, for comments on this big change...
Please do wahtever possible to publish this in news, to make some visiblke pressure on Google - so they at least know, how we feel, and react.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! brwieland 8/8/11 10:10 AM
Please return the ADD MEMBERS DIRECTLY feature. With it, many of us find Google Groups very helpful. Without it, Google Groups is nearly useless.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! ftobin 8/8/11 8:04 PM
Google is not approaching this problem sensibly.  First, I am sure many mailing lists attract non-technical members out-of-band, like I mine does.

It's easy enough to create a design where if a mailing list has been around for a while, and appears to have legitimate discussions, that it would be safe to let the admins of that list add members directly.  Heck, my list has been around for about 7 years; I'm sure heuristics can be developed that realize I've been responsible.

Furthermore, spammers need to work in bulk.  I only need to add less than one person a day.  I'm sure even 5 a day wouldn't be useful for a spammer.  Just rate-limiting the adds would be sufficient.

Finally, the odds are about 80% that I will be forced to move my list from Google Groups if this feature is not restored.  Each and every new member to my list is important.  I can't afford to have people not being able to accept for whatever reason, be it knowledge, email overload on their part, or whatever.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Sr.Kathy 8/9/11 10:54 AM
I am really frustrated with google groups. I started a group for our congregation. Sent out over 300 invites.
 Most went to the members junk mail boxes and they never saw the invite and like me- empty out their junk mail regularly. Now they can't join.
 Please fix this! I really love Google but google groups have caused a lot of headaches for people who need to get information we send out weekly.
Also- this looks bad for Google because my people are really getting frustrated.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! szotsaki 8/9/11 2:19 PM
Oh my… How can I invite an other mailing LIST?! Which is only able to send mails, not receive. See, clearly: THE RECIPIENT IS NOT ABLE TO RECIEVE A MAIL. Just Send. But I Wanted to Add Among the Others. How, dear Google, how?

Do I Share on Google+? Maybe after 1000+ likes, you will find this feature useful?
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! RikD 8/10/11 7:53 AM
Please bring back the Add Directly feature.  I've never been spammed by a Google Group; that is just silly.  It is nearly impossible to get everyone to accept the invite when you are working with a large group!  Bring this feature back ASAP!
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! mor.sagmon 8/11/11 10:03 AM
I agree - letting an issue with spam dictate the policy for all and crippling the basic function to add members directly, after we all based our groups and organizations upon, is not smart.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Maskil 8/11/11 12:49 PM
Isn’t it amazing that whenever somebody like Google (or Microsoft, etc.) wants to strip some incredibly useful feature from a product, then it’s always “based on user feedback”.  In this case “based on user feedback to improve your discussion experience!”  Yes, I can just picture all those list administrators (like me) queuing up to demand that Google rip out the Add members directly function and render the product useless!  And those spammers!  They must all really be cursing the loss of the Google Groups channel.  Whatever will they do now?

Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! aikidan 8/11/11 4:00 PM
Ditto, i run over 10 lists with membership totaling 1000 people across these lists, they are a mix of professional and community groups. These groups are, because of historical reasons, split across yahoo and google with the aim to migrate to google. I am considering moving all of them back to yahoo, my lists are paralysed and keeping track of people who are on and aren't on the lists is killing me

google pls help, 
love your work but this is deal breaker. Am starting the migration to duplicate on yahoo groups (at 10 a day) today and will go live and not look back after that

hope you can help
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Sr.Kathy 8/12/11 7:28 AM
It is a deal breaker-
I need to make a decision soon.
What say you Google?
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! KeithNeill 8/12/11 7:40 AM
Have spoken to a couple of people who asked to be added, and it seems to be the case that Hotmail users are definitely not receiving the invitations.  Whether that be due to spam policies, inter-company politics, or whatever - who knows or indeed cares, but it means that Googlegroups is now as good as useless if I have got no way to add new users.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! ftobin 8/12/11 8:09 AM
One method we can take to help bring Google's attention to this (because I'm fairly certain this would be off their radar) is to begin suggestion alternate mailing list providers.  Does anyone have suggestions in other providers they are looking into?
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Sr.Kathy 8/12/11 2:42 PM
What does it mean that the eail on the invites is 'not verified?'
How can we get this on their radar?
I am going to look incompetent to my congregation if I have to switch to Yahoo- no one likes this.
Any other way to bring this to the powers that be at Google??
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! CMW06 8/13/11 9:48 AM
Please reinstate the "Add Members Directly" option
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! jlightfield 8/14/11 9:29 AM
Please bring back add directly. I manage two googlegroups that this is critical for.


Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! ZiaraatDotCom 8/15/11 3:55 AM
The most useful feature should not be done away with completely like that. There are several options to ensure defeating the spanmers and facilitating a huge number of genuine list administrators. I am facing a lot of problems with several new members joining the site every day and me not being able to add them to my Google mailing list.
Please restore the functionality.
 
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! AstroLFW 8/15/11 11:01 AM
I manage listserves on both Yahoo and Google, and totally agree with the above posters - the "Add Members Directly' function is invaluable and should be reinstated.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! tom40 8/15/11 12:48 PM
That feature made it possible to move a list from another host and to grow it.
It's absence makes it impossible to even consider doing that again.
Except in the opposite direction.
It punishes listowners with administrative burdens that actually accrue with the size and quality of their lists.
Bad solution to a problem whose existence has never been evident to my (closed) list.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Matthias Luebken 8/15/11 1:24 PM
I need this feature too. Any suggestion where to move?
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Sune 8/16/11 1:09 AM
Alternatives: http://groupspaces.com and http://groups.yahoo.com/ are professional sites (free with limitations).
http://www.emaildodo.com is free, but only max. 50 members.
http://www.freelists.org (free & unlimited, except all lists must be technology-related)

Please keep publicity on the fact that Google now demand users of GoogleGroups to create a google-account, and Google try to "hide" this new demand behind a "fighting spammers" question. It makes bad associations to similar "either you are with us - or against us", leaving no room for just plain email-receivers...

It looks like Google want to dramatically increase the numbers of Google Accounts, on the cost of easiness - it may cost on popularity and is opposite way of what made Google big: easy and effective. Now, when dominating the market, Google go for full control and more money, Aaarghhh ! Come back to where you came from, Google!
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! tom40 8/16/11 8:49 AM
I now find an additional burden with this.
A new list member, who had to be "invited" to confirm his invitation, was set up with a default of "Not allowed" for POSTING.
That is despite a group setting that allows all members to post.
Which means the confirmed invitee has not really become a full member.
If I change that group setting to allow "Anyone can post" ..  with an option to "Hold messages from non-members for moderation" ... this "member's" posting privilege becomes "moderated."  Since Googlegroups frequently does not send an email notification of pending "moderated" messages, that means his messages will be trapped until accidentally found by an administrator.
So add more administrative hassle to help "fix" a non-existent problem.
Yes, that certainly enhances the "user experience" all-around.

So far this thread has generated about 50 posts. Given the "600-pound gorilla" status here, I suspect the wizards behind this improvement will not be overly impressed by that relatively small showing of unhappiness. That's easy enough to dismiss as a disgruntled few by those who are masters of the universe.  
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! tyamadajp 8/16/11 9:30 AM
But these "unhappy" people are all list admins.
If there're 100 admins hit and each manages list of 100 members, that's roughly 10,000 people affected.
And more and more admins will be hit when they try to add new members, especially when they do it in a bundle.

This is really damaging Google's reputation - at least, for me.
By not even ACKing existence of these claims, it is showing strong ignorance.

Google, just recover direct-add feature, but with limit on number of addition per day.
I'm now starting to agree conspiracy view that this change was done only to force everyone to obtain Google Account.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Jaberwok 8/16/11 10:11 AM
I would also strongly urge a change to this policy; in trying to establish a mailing list here I've had at least half a dozen people say that they never received the invitation email. While I understand why this decision has been made (and strongly applaud efforts to curtail the efforts of spammers), I also know that this has made the administration of my list a nightmare. Please consider re-adding this functionality, even with limits. I only need to add one to five people a week, and I expect that will be even less once the list is finally fully established!
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! jlj.colorado 8/16/11 10:46 AM
PLEASE BRING THE "ADD MEMBERS DIRECTLY" FEATURE BACK. I have migrated and created ~10 email lists with over 1000 people into Google Groups, but it becomes impossible to manage these lists or create new ones without this feature. I will have to stop using Google Groups if this feature is not restored.

Does anyone know of another similar list provider which does allow one to add members directly. Does Yahoo Groups work that way? Any others? I will need to start migrating some lists soon, unless Google adds back this feature!

Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Sr.Kathy 8/17/11 7:37 AM
OMG! I thought i found a 'back door' to this problem. According to google directions i went to my membership and unsubscribed each member then reinvited them. the first day i was able to do around 20, than i got a spam message and had to type in one of those letter boxes to continue. Yesterday I got blocked with only about 15 re invites and today i think i got three in and got the we are sorry but your computer or network may be sending automated queries.

Then it got worse- I went to my work email addy (I had sent a reinvite)  to be accepted and got the same message!

Also- even tho i only re-invited one at a time- it was sent to my junk box! Is this happening to everyone?
Google, you have a real mess here!

Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! GoGreen Rao 8/17/11 8:04 AM
I am loosing so many members just because of the option of adding member directly has been removed. Its realy frustrating missing many people on my events just because they have not checked or the mail would have landed into their spam folder.. Don't understand what improvements... As of now it is frustrating and not able to answer my members who have reffered the new members..
 PLS ADD BACK THIS OPTION ASAP. Every day i have arround 5 to 10 members joining the group if this option is not available then i will be forced to move on to other groups..
 
Hope will have my add members directly option back... Thanks in advance..
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! GoGreen Rao 8/17/11 8:10 AM
removing usefull features and calling it is improvments no "THIS IS CERTINALY NOT AN IMPROVMENT" Pls give back the option of adding members directly ASAP if Google does not wanted people to move out due to this problem
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! maillard8693 8/18/11 10:21 AM
Can I third or 85th the ADD Direct function.  Not having this option as a group owner is rather rediculous.  I HATE Yahoo groups, the email function is dated and sometimes takes several days to catch up.  I can understand not having the direct add for members, but OWNERS must have this ability, or you don't really own the group...
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! mhlmhl 8/18/11 12:33 PM
I manage a number of Google Groups for a church, and I normally use "add member" to add someone to the group.  I find that "invite member" basically doesn't work because many of the church members fail to respond to the invitation.  This may because they don't get the invitation (it is treated as spam), or they don't understand it, or they are technically inept.  Thus I get repeated request to add people, or complaints "I'm not getting the mail" even though I invited them.

Disabling the "add member" feature has made Google Groups substantially harder to manage.  Please restore this function.

(BTW, the church groups were previously uncategorized.  Someone said categorizing them could help, so I've done so (as "Christianity" and "New York") but that has made no difference.

I must say, I like most of the Google services, but Google Groups has always seemed poorly supported. I've thought before about moving to another such service, and this may be what pushes me to do that.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! mhlmhl 8/18/11 12:36 PM
One more comment: the new Google Groups is NOT faster, NOT more powerful, and NOT more cool.  The banner blurb on the top of the help pages is just plain incorrect.  It should read: "less powerful, more of a hassle to use".
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! mszczech 8/19/11 10:50 AM
Hi,

I manage couple of groups using googlegroups. Now A MAJOR piece of functionality "Add Members Directly" was removed without any notice/consultation.

I do not feel safe with Google as my groups engine provider anymore. What is the next thing they will silently phase out?

The question is not IF but WHEN Google will restore it. Please do it fast. If this functionality is not back by September I am going to migrate all my groups to another platform.

Michal
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! MGTDS 8/19/11 3:39 PM
The removal of the direct add member feature has caused major problems and is an admin nightmare.  I am an admin for an entire school (ex-students) that has individual class newsgroups, While I created the various class newsgroups the individual class newsgroups are managed by ex-students from those classes located all over the world.  After many phone calls and e-mails we have determined that the invitations are NOT reaching ex-students.  In light of a upcoming reunion you can understand the dilemma we face.  Surely the removal of the direct add member function could have been better handled: 1. Advance warning of the change  2. Input from users  3.  A discussion of suitable alternatives to address the real issues 4. At least a alternative (invites) that actually works !!  

If part of the strategy is to move  Googlegroups users to Google+ it may not work as it doesn't address all of our needs at the moment and there is a lot of pressure to look at other alternatives.  For a staunch Google supporter this hurts.     

     
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! tom40 8/19/11 8:38 PM
Behemoths are not in the habit of explaining their actions ... which is well illustrated by the failure of anyone within Google to so much as ACKNOWLEDGE the existence of this thread, let alone reply to it.

Guess they figure they'll give us what we pay for.

For my list, so far this has been a minor .. if extremely unnecessary and annoying .. nuisance.

When it escalates into a major one, I guess it will be time for another move.
It will not be to Google+ or anything "social."

Given the absence of feedback from the other side of this, a serious discussion of alternatives would probably benefit most of us increasingly disenfranchised listowners here.

For those familiar with Yahoogroups, could someone do a plus/minus comparison?  
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! rojgvca 8/20/11 8:24 PM
Count me as one more who really wants the "add members directly" feature back. If it doesn't happen, I'll be looking for an alternative.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! kobkathy 8/21/11 1:33 PM
I agree that losing the add feature is a huge burden to the admin. And why is no one from Google answering this question?
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! sdiver 8/21/11 2:09 PM
Greetings -- I have been a big fan of google to date, and this is the first time I have seen your company make a decision which does not put the needs of users first and foremost.  So I am hopeful that you will respond to this issue ASAP. 

Most people doing community work, or community organizing who rely on googlegroups can attest to the importance of the option to add members directly to an email list, as you can see from this series of posts. 

By eliminating this option, you render googlegroups useless to many people who are using this as a primary means of communicating with community members.

As mentioned earlier, community members who are quite busy tend to overlook administrative details like accepting membership to an email list, which is nonetheless important to them.  Yet email group managers are still responsible for ensuring information is delivered to them.  You have thus placed googlegroup managers in a very compromising position with this policy decision. 

Please restore the option to add members directly.  Otherwise, I will need to create a new communication forum.  Thank you in advance for your response.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! cwestra 8/21/11 2:20 PM
Since the change, the invitations sent to people wanting to be members of our groups are not being received by them.  They were sent days ago and they are not in their spam boxes.  This is a critical issue!
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! erzi95 8/21/11 8:44 PM
Bring add members directly functionality back please.  Now I have to use yahoogroups instead.

Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! BritAlb 8/21/11 9:29 PM
I administer two different groups, and agree with what everyone is writing in this thread. Would-be members tell me they did not receive invitation emails, and are upset not to be on the list. Whether they accidentally deleted the emails, whether the emails are trapped in a spam filter somewhere, or whether the emails really were never sent is anyone's guess. But I cannot resend invitations, so I am left appending a series of addresses each time I send a group email, and those people who haven't joined cannot address their group as a whole. This is _very_ primitive, and very annoying.

I admire Google, and am certainly sympathetic that customer support for a free service has to be limited. But if this functionality is not restored I will have to switch services. Could it be this is what they are hoping for? Could someone please respond?
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! BITS1234 8/22/11 4:54 AM
Hi people at Google, pl bring back the add members directly Thks
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! efindley 8/22/11 5:50 AM
I agree 100% with people here.  My group is small and I don't add members often, so I was dismayed to learn I could no longer add members directly when I tried it today.  People simply don't respond to invites, and the direct-add method is the only sure way to make sure the list is well maintained. And if the invites truly aren't being received (as those above are saying), then it's a doubly ridiculous change to an otherwise excellent service.  I'm going to have to look into alternatives...groupspaces.com looks promising.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! efindley 8/22/11 6:00 AM
Also...I suggest people use the "Contacting Us" link to flood the support inbox with the reports of dissatisfaction. 

http://groups.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=contact_policy

I don't know if the people who count read these forums, but maybe it would get seen if everyone sent negative feedback.

Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! aygul 8/22/11 6:17 AM
Please feel free to make a feature suggestion or send general feedback using the following form: http://groups.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=groups_feedback
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! ftobin 8/22/11 7:29 AM
If Google is monitoring their metrics properly, hopefully they will notice a sudden drop-off in growth-rate of Google Groups members to valid, well-established lists.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! tom40 8/22/11 8:17 AM
Another way this is handicapping listowners is to make it that much more difficult to deal with people who need or want multiple subscriptions .. with different kinds of sending and receiving options.
And as previously noted, I've had to change the posting allowances to work around the fact that these new "invited" subscribers by apparently unchangeable default become "moderated" for POSTING. That means unless the list is open to moderated posts from ANYONE, these folks can't post. In turn, that means that listowners will now SEE SPAM sent to their list.

In other words, it INCREASES SPAM.

I would be nice to see someone from Googlegroups administration take part in this discussion.

And since that does not seem to be happening, it would also be nice to see this discussion expanded OUTSIDE Google .. to some sites and blogs that deal with stuff like this or Google in general.

 
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! tom40 8/22/11 8:32 AM
I just posted the following to the FEEDBACK page .. and repeated in their closing survey:

>>>
Please check the forum thread on the loss of ability to directly add subscribers.

Of about 70 posts, about 70 voice opposition and spell out numerous valid reasons why.
 
Exactly ZERO favor it.

At least give us the courtesy of a public response to these legitimate and reasoned complaints about the new burden you are needlessly placing on listowners.

>>>

maybe more of the same to

http://groups.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=groups_feedback

would help.
And thanks to aygul for pointing to it. 

Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! RSBly 8/22/11 11:52 AM
This is driving me crazy.  Like others who've posted here, I manage multiple large listservs and the inability to add members directly is making my work a nightmare.  Google, please bring back the ADD MEMBERS DIRECTLY feature!  
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! marym4 8/22/11 2:25 PM
Like all the other users above, I too, am looking to move my lists to another provider if "ADD MEMBERS DIRECTLY" is not reinstated! I manage several lists with almost 1,000 people and have over 50 now waiting to be added. Important information is emailed on several of these lists daily and it's having a definite negative impact on our ability to function in the way we have in the past.

The easiest solution to the spam probem is to have more than one owner/manager to moderate messages and keep spam out. By using this method, I have NEVER had spam get through so it is NOT a problem.

I have been promoting googlegroups to many other people but will retract my recommendations if this is not corrected. If there is no change back soon, I will start moving my lists, too.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Albertini- 8/24/11 7:28 AM
Please put  "ADD MEMBERS DIRECTLY" back to service!
 
It is google group administrator's responsiblity to fight with spam email, not us! By simply removing  "ADD MEMBERS DIRECTLY" function, the google guys get less trouble but ordinary users get more trouble! Is this the way google trying to treat users?
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! tom40 8/24/11 9:11 AM
Has anyone here seen ANY Google response ANYWHERE to this thread or this issue?

Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! booz.robert 8/24/11 11:34 AM
this is absolutely terrible. i work for a not for profit that relied on google groups for communication and we have been ABSOLUTELY CRIPPLED by this choice. often the invitation emails are funneled into peoples spam boxes or are disregarded. Google you guys really effed up with this one. 
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! ushimado 8/24/11 2:23 PM
Please put "ADD MEMBERS DIRECTLY" back into service.  I manage several teams/clubs/groups with Google Groups, and inviting people to join Google Groups works less than 50% of the time.  I'll be forced to use a different service if this remains the case.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! ewsdc 8/24/11 7:49 PM
I agree, I agree, I agree! We are managing over 20 individual list serves for our school, and the loss of this function basically makes our googlegroups USELESS! I also manage several other list serves (neighborhood), and being able to ADD members (skipping the invite) is crucial for all the reasons listed here. Even I haven't received my most recent invite, and I'm LOOKING FOR IT!
 
Please, please, please, please, PLEASE bring this function back. I will need to transfer all of our list serves otherwise. It's only probably 25+ lists, but it's substantial enough.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! bminney 8/25/11 3:05 AM
Not one of the invitations I have sent out has been accepted. These invitations are not being received. Most of my group members work in local government and i suspect these are being blocked by a spam system before they reach the individuals.
As Google are not listening can someone suggest an alternative solution I can migrate my group to?
 
 
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! jacthegrami 8/25/11 5:40 AM
PLEASE bring back the "Add Members Directly" feature
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! tom40 8/25/11 10:31 AM
I don't know if this is related to Google's current alleged spam suppression effort, but I got a note from one of my subscribers today that two of his posts had not appeared.

When I checked, indeed those two posts were trapped ... marked "possible spam" .. along with two posts from others for a total of four. Naturally, there is no timely notification of such holds to listowners ... just the opportunity to discover them by happy accident or when someone complains much later.

Yes, this is an allegedly FREE service. (That is, IF one overlooks the probable data mining Google does with this incredible volume of information and "monetizes" same).  So apparently some in the Google ranks feel justified to hand down dictates from above .. and ignore our complaints from below.

BUT until this "user experience improvement"  was implemented, it was at least a logical and functioning free service. Some might even describe it as a good one. I certainly used to.

I'm not sure how much more "user experience improvement" we can stand before opting for alternative experiences.

 
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! ascathedral 8/25/11 11:53 AM
As so many others in this thread, I am going to begin evaluating options for distribution of our newsletter and announcements to our members, based on the fact that many of said members are just not "with it" enough to respond to an invitation.

They ask me to add them to the list. I used to be able to do that. Now I cannot. And our communications are already suffering. That's not acceptable.

Bad decision, Google.


Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! wvdirtboy 8/25/11 12:43 PM
How can you can manage a group if you can't directly add people? Does Google even care what we are saying here? Guess not. Time to migrate to another service.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! thenarsc 8/26/11 11:09 AM
Can anyone please share what other listserv options are out there? I'm among the group owners who cannot manage a group effectively without being able to manually add people, but I'm having trouble finding an alternative. Yahoo Groups does not seem to have manual add either. Google is obviously being nonresponsive on this issue, so for those of us for whom this is a dealbreaker, can you share what you've found as an alterntative solution? I want to just move on and get back to managing a functional list, wherever that may be.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! terrygibson 8/27/11 3:09 AM
Here's another name on the rapidly growing list of people who will be moving their organisation (a church) to another service. I't's a real pain because we'll have to register everyone again, but our experience is the same as many others, which is that most of our list are very basic email users and don't understand the invite system so when we initially tried that it just didn't work. 

In my professional work, with a charity, I've just heard that Google are also pulling the Google Translate app which has been invaluable with our network of members in about 70 countries in the developing world. Sounds like the good guys have decided to become the bad guys. Shame.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! terrygibson 8/27/11 3:11 AM
I also notice from an earlier poster a very useful list of alternative services and thought I'd repeat it here to keep it visible

Alternatives: http://groupspaces.com and http://groups.yahoo.com/ are professional sites (free with limitations).
http://www.emaildodo.com is free, but only max. 50 members.
http://www.freelists.org (free & unlimited, except all lists must be technology-related)
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! terrygibson 8/27/11 3:12 AM
And finally another poster highlighted the post a message function - one would be thrilled if Google read these

Please feel free to make a feature suggestion or send general feedback using the following form:http://groups.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=groups_feedback

worth a try though
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Rathnadhar 8/27/11 9:02 AM
Namasthe,

I am struck now. All these days I propagated the Google Groups. I migrated from Yahoo Groups. In the initial stages Google Groups was really great. Simple and easy to use.

BUT OF LATE its becoming a pain to work.

1. I think the new Google Group look is among the worst. Its too confusing. I cant imagine which moron choose this interface. Management tasks are tough and confusing now

Then came the bombshell....

A TRUE DISASTER:

The "add member directly" feature has been disabled !!!!! Supposedly to control the spam. I cant believe how....I never got a spam due to my Google group. Google Mail has one of the best spam control technology. Google group could have used that.

I personally think its something beyond spam control. I dont know what. I am sure that there was a max limit to add people directly. I once tried to add 60 members but it was rejected. If I can recall right it was around 25 emails at a time. SO GOOGLE HAD A SPAM CONTROL IN PLACE ALREADY.

Also if its a Spam control only, then they could have a CAPTCHA which would have mitigated the problem to a great extent.  They have not done that. !!!

Meaning

1. There is something beyond the Spam Control.
2. Or the persons who have taken this decision dont know how to control SPAM (which i find it hard to believe).

Google is now a giant. There is no use to shout at them. It does not make sense.

Only way to change the situation is to appeal them. That I am doing right.

"PLEASE PLEASE re-allow adding members directly to google groups"

Regards
Rathnadhar.K.V
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Jeppedy 8/28/11 6:35 AM
This change makes Google Groups worthless to most, I'll bet.  It's nice for listserv types of things, but that's the end of it...  Bring back the "Add Direct" feature.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! pratulp 8/28/11 8:27 AM
Yes, this is an absolute MUST feature for me too. I have small groups and if I am not affected by SPAM why impact users like us who have a genuine use for it?
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! JB1962 8/28/11 5:28 PM
Agree with all the disgruntled owners above. Without the ADD member directly feature I won't use it.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! drchristo 8/29/11 7:51 AM
any response from google?
how many people have complained on this thread?
is anyone there?
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Borg6 8/29/11 12:33 PM
Count me as one more moving his group to another service
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Sune 8/30/11 6:10 AM
Today I was happy surprised to have a chat with a nice Google-woman ("Demand Generation" department).
She hasn't heard anything about the missing AddMemberDirect function, 
so I was happy to introduce hear to the problem and all the heart-breaking stories in this, and other threads.

The Google employee could not promise anything, but I hope the situation at least get a bit near some decision-taker surroundings.

I did also psot an email to two news-magazines, with links to the threads I am aware of, hoping for publicity - and for comments from some Google official.

Here are the links, if others want to share with local/national/international press:

LINKS:

Googles announcement 19.july 2011: http://groups-announcements.blogspot.com/2011/07/new-in-google-groups.html

quote: ” Spam improvements: Starting next week, we will remove the option to “Add members directly” to googlegroups.com groups since spammers have unfortunately abused this feature. Group owners will still be able to invite you to join their groups and you will have to accept their invitation before you start participating in and receiving messages from the group.

forum with now 95(!) messages: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Web+Search/thread?fid=51ac6e29014422390004a9e9299715a3&hl=en

 i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!!

forum with now 26 messages: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/gmail/thread?fid=03a693f39cfb5ee30004a957a1e82ea4&hl=en

The tab for adding members directly is missing from my group The Online Tatting Class. How do I restore it>

forum with now 52 messages: http://www.google.ru/support/forum/p/Google+Apps/thread?fid=293801a04ee19ab70004a961c32d5cc3&hl=en

I am no longer able to invite members directly to my group. Does anyone know why this function is no longer available?

Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! tom40 8/30/11 6:31 AM
Here's a rough summary of this thread --- "BY THE NUMBERS:"

Number of posts in this thread at this writing: nearly 100
Number opposed to this policy: nearly 100
Number in favor: 0
Number of Google responses: 0 
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Generatorissimus 8/30/11 6:36 AM
Please give back the "direct add members option".
The invitation cannot reach my friends (server side spam filters?). I cannot add him and her to the list. They cannot receive the invitations.
It is a serious problem. Very serious. Please give it option back. Else I have to change my groups provider .:(
I would like add 5 persons to my groups, 2 was sucessfull, 3 was failed(!). (they not received the invitation email, I sent it twice).
Security option (minium) please allow the direct additon if I mailed (sent and receive at least 1+1 mail) the another person from my group admin postbox.

Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! garywpalmer 8/30/11 6:43 AM
I was inspired by Sune's message above so I'm starting to send email to all the technical web sites I can think of.  Here's an example.  If others would do the same we might get Googles attention.
 

 

In July Google Groups took away the ability for group administrators to “Add Members Directly”.  Google says it’s to prevent spam but it’s another example of solving a problem the easy way instead of fixing it.

 

See link:  http://groups-announcements.blogspot.com/2011/07/new-in-google-groups.html

 

This has angered many of the group administrators and has forced many to abandon Google Groups altogether.

 

Please see the Google Groups Support forum topic below:

 

http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Web+Search/thread?fid=51ac6e29014422390004a9e9299715a3&hl=en

 

I think there is a story here because there are 95+ pleas for help and not one Google response.

 
 
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! ted.coopman 8/30/11 9:25 AM
Yes please provide some option for directly adding members. I teach 5 college classes and use Google Groups to communicate with my students. Often students do not respond to invites and therefore miss important announcements and class information.While you could say this is their own fault in reality I get complaints and students begging for favors due to missed work or information or asking for yet another invite (digital natives my a**) and this greatly increases my workload (and stress) having to deal with it. GG is an amazing tool and critical for my courses - don't cripple it and punish your responsible long-term users because of some spammers. If you get complaints, just pull accounts. Maybe an embedded link with a permanent unsubscribe feature? Some help here for your loyal customers? You're killing me here.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! jennywoodrealestate 8/30/11 10:02 AM
I too need the add directly option back. My group has several that are tech challenged and they need it to be as simple as possible.
 
Yahoo seems to have a great way of combating this problem. Maybe since they've brought back their add directly option, I will switch to them!
 
Google - save me from doing this!!! I love Google but have to have this feature!
 
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! tranghienvo 8/31/11 12:52 PM
I am the owner/administrator of the y-nha74 google group, and I find the capability to add member directly to our group is very helpful to manage our group activity.  I wish Google will give us back this capability.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! sfmuellr 8/31/11 1:39 PM
I manage our high school marching band and concert band groups. I too miss the add member directly and am especially having problems with yahoo and hotmail accounts. I am guessing from previous posts that they are getting filtered into spam folders. 

Please hear our cries Google!!! Help!!!
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! rlporter5 8/31/11 6:33 PM
After days of trying to figure out where the Add members directly feature went, I searched and found this thread.  I run four Google groups and need to add two or three people a day to the group.  About one in 10 invitations actually get through to the people who want to join the groups.  This is a major 'de-feature' by Google - I have spent hours resending invitations and trying to help people find the invitations in their junk folders.
 
PLEASE BRING BACK THE ADD MEMBERS DIRECTLY FEATURE - YAHOO HAS IT FIGURED OUT - COPY THEM - PLEASE!!!!!!
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! oek 8/31/11 8:28 PM
Here is another one wishing Google to bring back "add members directly" feature from Japan.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! AngusK 9/1/11 5:21 PM
Idiots.  I have the exact same complaints as everyone else on here.  If yahoo can manage it, so can google. All this will do is make us switch our group to yahoo. What a shock that there is no response from google.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! richardinboulder 9/2/11 9:56 AM
Google seems to have broken their corporate slogan, "Don't be evil" by requiring Google Group participants to open a Google account when they accept an invitation.   Now they can be tracked, the information gathered, presumably sold... Not only is this a supreme hassle for those of us who run legitimate mailing lists, but it's another sign of Google turning to the dark side. Sigh. I suppose all good things come to an end.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! ifaint 9/3/11 7:35 AM
I am a Chinese, and I am the administrator of a academic group. As you know, people in China can only access google groups via VPN. That will be a problem for the invited people (most of them have no VPNs) to open to the url you send to them confirming to join the group!!!!!!
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! tom40 9/3/11 9:15 AM
I quote one of my list subscribers discussing a different (but ominously similar) issue:
 
Guess this is another opportunity to remember the maxim:

If you're not paying for a service, you're not the customer; you're the product.

Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! crannaford 9/5/11 6:11 AM
I'd love to know if there is a good alternative because if I can't add members to my group I'm not interested. I've been sending invitations and they are simply not arriving. 
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Ditarnow 9/6/11 5:27 AM
Please add functionality back!!
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Liln 9/6/11 7:34 AM
Adding my voice to the chorus: PLEASE BRING BACK THE ADD MEMBERS DIRECTLY FEATURE. I really don't want to have to switch back to Yahoo.

Is anyone talking about this on Google+/Twitter/Facebook etc? Might help getting Google to pay attention.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! tom40 9/6/11 9:14 AM
If anyone involved with Googlegroups EVER had any interest in paying attention to the comments here (doubtful), they've had nearly a month and a half to act on that unlikely inclination.

Google appears to have "turned the Page" on its early "do no evil" mantra, substituting instead mid-era "evil empire" arrogance.

So until shown otherwise, let us assume this "user experience improvement" is here to stay ... at least for those here who ARE staying.

So the best thing to do is to deal with it.
Or better still, work AROUND IT.

If indeed there is more here than meets a spammers eye, the point seems to be to get "invitees" to do something .. like opening Google accounts. 

So consider NOT inviting anyone through this moderately clumsy and frequently useless mechanism.

Instead, send your invitations through REGULAR EMAIL ... and ask potential invitees to apply instead at the group homepage. That restores a DEGREE of control to the list administrator.

At least until some master of the Google universe determines it to be an impediment to whatever the real game here is.  

    
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! BT46n2 9/6/11 4:03 PM
THIS IS RIDICULOUS - I NEED TO RE-ADD 

NO-REPLY  at   BLOGGER.COM

 TO MY GROUP IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DISTRIBUTE EMAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHY DON'T YOU JUST STOP PROVIDING GROUPS, BLOGS AND ALL THE GOOD STUFF YOU ONCE PROVIDED INSTEAD OF KILLING IT WITH MICROSOFT LIKE STUPIDITY 
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! rhormuth 9/8/11 3:29 PM
No way to work around it....especially bad if you have Cell Phone text members (ie:  ........@txt.att.net ) ....The Google Groups invite gets chopped up/dropped by many phone texting services.  Only work around is to move to something like http://groupspaces.com.  It's free and is actually very good for email lists (clubs, teams, etc...) - multiple lists under one group, etc....  
 
 
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! marsie 9/11/11 12:40 AM
+1 
Please reinstate the Add Members Directly option in Google Groups and force a security code or CAPTCHA to weed out spam bots from abusing the feature.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Generatorissimus 9/11/11 11:36 AM
Please give back the "direct add member" feature.
In this form it is a suicide, the worst advertisement that can exist. Why?
Easy:
The spammers easy send invitation instead of "direct add". The spam filters are eat the invitation mails. Not only the spammer's invitations. All invitations. No way to add new members. 60-80% fail rate(!!! my experience). It is kill the google groups.

In our groups we looking for alternatives. It is a serious problem. Please help, please read and react.

G.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! craiginsd 9/13/11 9:56 PM
Unacceptable policy change.  Unsubscribing from a group is easy if the user feels they're receiving spam.  "Protecting" possible recipients from spam in NO WAY offsets the inconvenience caused to Group administrators by eliminating direct addition of members.  As I said - unacceptable, AND unnecessary.  
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! SenseiKeith 9/13/11 10:10 PM
Plus 1 from me, or is that minus 1 from me.

as I have decided to leave and take my 12 groups with me.

for everyone's information, here is what I found and have decided to do.

Office Mail merge works very well for sending emails.  Keep you contact details in excel, send emails from word.  It allows you to personalise each email as well, addressing it to the person, and not just "To all my students".  You can also filter on any field (column) and send to only a subset if required.  It supports full HTML email with embedded images.  One thing you must be aware of, your internet service provider may impose a limit on emails.  Mine limits me to 500 emails per hour.  I have 478 members currently, so no problem.  The only problem I could find is that attachments are not supported with a mail merge.  You can get around it with some scripting, but not they way I want to go.

I have therefore decided to move all my groups to groupspaces.com.  Excellent site.  Even if google re-instates the add direct feature, I am still moving.

I just thought a lot of you would find the above useful.

Good Luck to all of you.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! tyamadajp 9/13/11 11:42 PM
With a scarce hope of Google rep seeing this, I'd like to point out this change actually INCREASED chance of getting SPAM.

As everyone knows by now, this invitation-only model does not work at all with non-technical subscribers. So if you're staying with Google Groups, the only way to handle the issue is to

1. Make you group "accept post from everyone (even from non-subscribers)".
2. Register address of another mailing list service to Google Groups.
3. Add all future subscribers to that another one, instead of Google Groups.

This way, you can keep current mailing list address (@googlegroups.com) as it is now, and still be able to "add" people who has problem with invitation process. I think this is the only way out for me, as I'm being stuck with Google due to other services like Google Accounts, etc (this is really making me mad, because I want to leave Google NOW, but I can't).

Now, this means spammers can spam your list once they know your list address...

Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! commanager 9/14/11 12:36 PM
Google staff, please read this thread at
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Web+Search/thread?tid=51ac6e2901442239 about the problems people face with the removal of the "Add members directly" function.
I also suffer at work because of this, so please re-add the functionality.

I have also posted this at http://groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=46373 and http://groups.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=groups_feedback

Please DO THE SAME and do not only post in this forum.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Sune 9/14/11 12:49 PM
Here is my comment to the "help" for Invitations link. Please also make magazines/news know about this.
 
The invitation is NOT WORKING as it demands:

(1) the member NEED to create a GoogleAccount and not all members wants/manage to do that

(2) most of the invitations gets stucked in spam-filters

(3) most of the members do not read the technical invitation, and never clicks the link to activate their membership

(4) it is very difficult (if possible) for adminis to track who is activated or not

(5) admins can not know who actually receive the mailinglist-mails

(6) more...

SDee the long desperate screams from prof. admins:


Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! tjm28 9/16/11 9:39 AM
Google has done many wonderful things with it's technology an user interfaces, but it has really botched things up for group administrators with the removal of the Direct Add feature from it's google groups. I am the president of a statewide non profit organization and the google group was my answer to a cost effective, member inclusive discussion forum. Now that I cannot direct add my members I must hope they accept an invitation and complete a google log in process(which most do not want to do) before I can share important time sensitive information. This is really a shame. Google Support I know you read this, you need to do right by your users!
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! tom40 9/16/11 6:05 PM
Folks, some 25 messages back, I ran some totals for this thread. At that point, there were about 100 messages. Of those, about 100 asked for a return of the adding feature .. most with thoughtful legitimate reasons. Exactly ZERO favored this policy. Now, at about 125 messages, about 125 oppose this policy. Exactly ZERO favor it. How many responses have there been from Google? Also exactly ZERO. Anybody see a pattern here?
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! myamydog 9/17/11 6:16 AM
PUT Back the ADD MEMBERS feature. I manage 6 Google groups for a non-profit dog rescue in Southern California. Google groups has turned getting people onto one or more lists into a HUGE PAIN. No--WORSE---an EXASPERATING experience. I can waste an hour or more EVERY DAY trying to confirm that invites went out, that they were received, getting people to accept the invites. What once took about 1 minute can now take days of back and forth emails and phone calls. We are already LOOKING to move our email lists to ANOTHER provider. How short-sighted of Google groups.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! myamydog 9/17/11 6:44 AM
GOOGLE:  You restored the "reply all" default feature when Gmail users complained. Please do likewise, and restore the ADD MEMBERS feature to Google groups.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Patrick Bowman 9/17/11 10:39 AM
Google's draconian solution to remove this function entirely is like skinning yourself to avoid melanoma.  Managing large groups, or even smaller groups of non-technical people, is absolutely impossible if you can't add members directly, as half of them don't know enough to respond to the invite, or don't see it as it gets blocked by their spam filter. 

If you have a web site, your ISP probably already provides a mailing list tool that you can migrate to.  I am seriously considering this option.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I can't help wondering whether the goal was to force so many people to migrate off of Google groups that they could shut down the service.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Mauro Buti 9/19/11 8:41 AM
Please, please, please, PLEASE!!!!

Give us back the "Add member" functionality, it is crazyness to manage mailing lists without it.
Don't let me switch the group management because of this... :(
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! 8orche 9/20/11 2:12 AM
I also agree with many posters. Pls restore good "add members DIRECTLY" feature!!
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! fulup 9/20/11 3:36 AM
I cannot agree more with all previous post. If google does not restore the "direct add users", like many others I will have to transfert back my mailling list to mailman or something equivalent.

I handle few small non profit lists, mostly with old people, I've try the invitation process and it just DOES NOT WORK. People do not even bother to read the invitation mail, they just complain that they do not receive anymore mails.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! myamydog 9/20/11 12:47 PM
Google groups: At least let us know if you are considering restoring the "add members" feature. If not, I don't want to waste any more time trying to get new volunteers signed up on Google groups. I will be looking to migrate all our lists to another listserve, like maybe GroupSpaces. It will be a bit of a pain to migrate all our non-profit org's lists, but at least it will be over with once we've moved. The "invite members" only function with Google groups would be an ongoing, every day pain our group cannot endure. Thank you.


Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! thogger 9/20/11 4:19 PM
Yet another request to restore the "add members directly" function.  I have had nothing but problems trying to add people by e-mail invite alone.  Nearly none of the people I send invites to don't receive the invite request in their inbox.  I will be looking for an alternative service soon since not being able to effectively add members has made Google Groups rather useless.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! LPP1 9/21/11 3:50 PM
The same petition for Google: can you restore the Invite Directly funcion, that was so useful?
Thank you!
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! japsj 1/9/12 11:11 AM
+1 from me! Please enable "Add Members Directly" again! Google groups is nearly worthless to me without it.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Steph 1/14/12 8:00 PM
hopefully you will add the "add directly" feature back some day! please come back! 
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Restore Add Members 1/15/12 1:02 PM
Looks like Larry will add google groups to the list of 2012 projects that Google will dump.  To remove this feature is so stupid and damaging that the only reason is they want to kill off Google groups. Ruins the usefulness as shown here from all of our replies. Amazing disappointment from Google. Thought they cared about non profits ?? Guess I was wrong . Off to find a real group system that works as what they did just about killed the use of groups for most of us. 
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Restore Add Members 1/15/12 1:05 PM
I think we all need to go find a new group service. It has been months and Google does not listen to it's users or care.  What happens when you get big and the individual user is now meaningless.  
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! sudhir devadiga 1/24/12 10:14 PM
We have to get back "add members directly" option... every time we have to send invitation and ppls has to accept invitation.

GOOOGLE.............. please solve this issue
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! sudhir devadiga 1/24/12 10:16 PM
Please feel free to make a feature suggestion or send general feedback using the following form:http://groups.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=groups_feedback 
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Andy82 1/31/12 11:43 PM
WTH Google, please put the feature back, it's really stupid you had something that works and now you're screwing so many people. Look at the list of complaints here!! You should listen to your audience.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! twinsibling.com 2/7/12 10:23 AM

Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! twinsibling.com 2/7/12 10:24 AM
PLEASE RESTORE "ADD MEMBERS DIRECTLY" FEATURE 
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! sentinel618 2/23/12 10:39 AM
As with virtually everyone here, I have a number of groups spread between Yahoo and Google and *was* looking into transferring things solely to Google. However, the 'Add Members' feature is an invaluable tool for List Managers. I am utterly amazed that we are expected to believe this feature was removed due to public demand.

I also understand however that a single, unified voice is always going to garner more attention that several in a crowd, and have created an online petition here: http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/peoplepower

I urge anyone who wishes Google actually be sensible and listen to its users, instead of fabricating reasons for removing useful features, to sign up. Your email address will ABSOLUTELY NOT be shared or used for any purpose other than authenticating you as a legitimate actual, real person.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! tomhro 2/28/12 3:52 PM
Totally agree Restore Add Members!!!
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! hbucell 3/6/12 7:13 PM
There must be some law or reason why people can't be added directly anymore.  Some users must have really abused it by spamming.  A solution?  Google group admins can request permission to restore this option, including adhering to some sort of anti-spam agreement.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! hbucell 3/6/12 7:19 PM
WE MUST BE ABLE TO ADD MEMBERS DIRECTLY!!!!   Or else, people would likely be left out due to the aforementioned comments.
So many important community groups now function off Google Groups.  I know of 2 neighborhood schools and 5 community groups.
I am only responding to this thread after discovering this simple function is no longer available!   Please change it to include an agreement for admins- it will benefit all!!!
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! inge.a 3/13/12 1:23 PM
Not being able to add members directly is a deal breaker for me.

The technically challenged and elderly have a hard time dealing with the invitations. 

I sent an invitation to several of my own addresses, and there was no clickable link in the Eudora program I use for much of my email. How many others to not see a clickable link? The only way I was able to subscribe my own addresses was to go to the webmail option of my account. 

I guess I'll have to use Yahoogroups instead, even though they do not have the benefits of access to Google Docs. At least I can direct-add 10 members a day, which is better than none. 
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! malcook 3/20/12 7:24 AM
+1 +1 +1 +1

restore this functionality!
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Werner 3/23/12 1:26 AM
Just to let you all know:

It is now again possible to add new members directly to a Google Group!

Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! mforward 3/28/12 6:51 PM
I tried this but for some reason when I get to step #8, I don't see the Add button anywhere to finish the task.
Am I missing something?
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Aldox 3/29/12 1:40 AM
You should behave like you want to invite someone. Only, when at

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!managemembers/your-group-name/invite

you should see the choice between
Invite by email
Add members directly

Actually that works only in the new group platform (the same of this forum).

Hope that helps
Aldo



Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! nampic 3/30/12 6:50 AM
When I'm trying to add new members I'm getting the following message in a beige popup box:
"You do not have permission to access this group. (#700)"
I am the owner and logged in with the right username (I can do other administrative tasks).

The second issue is that, in the new group layout/platform I can no longer see and manage the Open Invitations list. Is it gone or is it hidden somewhere I don't see it?
 If I want to cancel an invitation I have to reverse to the old group platform.

Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! BrianHu 4/3/12 3:49 AM
Well, I do finally get to the 'add members directly' tab only by using this URL:

But even there Google refuses to add email addresses that have previously been sent invitations. 

This is doubly frustrating because the people I'm trying to add all claim that they never received invitations and expect me to be able to add them manually.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Aldox 4/3/12 5:59 AM
They should look in the Spam folder of their mailboxes....it's sad, but many mail servers are sending there Google Groups invitations. Maybe because of the many links Google invitations are having at the bottom of the invitation messages.

Anyway, you should now access momentarily to the old interface, where it's possible to delete old invitations from the member management table.

Once done, you should be able to add them from the new interface.

Hope that helps!
Aldo
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! nampic 4/3/12 6:17 AM
I've send and re-sent dozens of invites to several yahoo addresses (couple of which are mine), 'verified' and 'not verified' by google. None of them reached the mailboxes - inbox, junk, spam, you name it.
No issues with other mail servers I tested (local providers, business addresses etc).

Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Aldox 4/3/12 8:46 AM
You told it. Y***o is famous for getting rid of Google group invitations. Until some time ago, they went in Spam, seemingly nowadays it's even worse!

Thanks for letting me know!
Aldo

PS once you'll have Y***o members, it will be better to avoid any default footer
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! piripak 4/10/12 6:35 AM
Did you find a solution for that? I went to the old version, unsubscribed all the pending invitations, went back to the new version, tried to manually add only to get the same error:  You do not have permission to access this group. (#700).
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! nampic 4/10/12 8:32 AM
No, I didn't find a solution.

Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Aldox 4/10/12 2:38 PM
@ nampic

You could prompt your maybe members to join the group with a private invitation, giving just the group URL, eventually slightly modified by inserting some spaces.
I understand "verified" people are already having a Google account with their mail address, you could suggest the others to create first of all a Google account - with their usual mail addresses - starting from:
https://accounts.google.com/NewAccount?hl=en
For avoiding the possible creation of Google account with two addresses (primary and alternative) they should disregard the sentence:
If you already have a Google Account, you can sign in here.
To have a Google account is very important namely if the group is private, moderated, or restricted in joining. Even if for the solution above it should be free to joining, at least until all members subscribed.

@ piripak

You're having a problem more with that message
You do not have permission to access this group. (#700). that's quite unusual in Google groups!
I can only suggest to check carefully all the settings about members, administrators and owner rights.
Just as an example, in the old platform there were strange problems if "posting from the web" interface wasn't checked....

Hope that helps!
Aldo

Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! mattgibb 4/15/12 3:39 PM
I sent an invitation and the recipient can't see it, even in his spam. Now google won't allow me to re-invite him or to add him directly, it just says he's already been invited. Any ideas?
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Aldox 4/15/12 3:51 PM
You should now access momentarily to the old interface, where it's possible to delete old invitations from the member management table.
Once done, you should be able to add him from the new interface.

In alternative, after the deletion you could prompt your maybe member to join the group with a private invitation, giving  the group URL, eventually slightly modified by inserting some spaces (just for "cheating" the other mail server!).

In any case, it would be useful to suggest to create first of all a Google account - with his usual mail addresses - starting from:
https://accounts.google.com/NewAccount?hl=en

For avoiding the possible creation of Google account with two addresses (primary and alternative) he should disregard the sentence:
If you already have a Google Account, you can sign in here.

To have a Google account is very important namely if the group is private, moderated, or restricted in joining. Even if for the above solution it should be free to join, at least until the member subscribes.

Hope that helps!
Aldo
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! cindy g 4/19/12 10:13 AM

Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! MALAYSIA_ABR 4/24/12 5:21 AM
Similar problem, dont find it logical to have groups but couldnt easily add members.. whets the point than.. like to provide a car without the key
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! kkgmom 8/30/12 8:10 AM
I am managing a group with parents of private school dorming students.  The international parents are having difficulty opening the link to accept their invitation.  Others don't want to create a Google Membership.  All need to be a part of this group and ask me to add their names for them... but instead it say "member not added" and has a little subnote that says they have been invited.
Please let me just add them myself like I did before.
kkuja78 11/27/12 8:46 AM <This message has been deleted.>
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! kkuja78 11/27/12 8:48 AM

It doesn't work. When I click Direct add members, I get message: "You can not directly add members to this group."
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! MooNinja 11/30/12 12:09 PM
I get the same thing. This is very disappointing since I am managing a group for my peers in a Business Cohort, so I look awful not being able to directly invite them to the group.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! manish tank 12/5/12 12:28 AM
i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!!
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Glider Bee 1/9/13 12:41 PM
So why the heck haven't they removed the "DIRECT ADD" link? The darn thing returns a success screen, and even emails the added person saying they're a member! the only thing that does not happen is, you never get on the member list. Someone needs to clean this up.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! jerome diabe 1/14/13 11:01 AM
I agree with you. I do not even have the option to invite people to my group. Google needs to bring back this feature.
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Khalid Yar Khan 2/18/13 10:25 PM
Please restore Add Members directly
Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! kkuja78 3/21/13 4:11 AM
Good indicator about how much google has fucked this up, is that I manage three groups, and to one I can add members directly. But for two, I cannot. F... Google, get your shit together!

Anyway, are there some good alternatives to google groups, for small non profit organization?

Re: i can't add members directly to my "google group" ..... why ... help !!! Lucas Sinopoli 4/22/13 9:05 PM
Please restore the "ADD MEMBERS DIRECTLY" option!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I really need it!!!!
More topics »