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Second Reconsideration Failled - Any Help or Sugestions would be extremely appreaciated

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Second Reconsideration Failled - Any Help or Sugestions would be extremely appreaciated Lucas Carneiro 10/21/13 9:35 AM
I've read the FAQs and searched the help center. 
My URL is: www.factorydirectpromos.com

We have a partial penalty in place and have been working diligently since April 2013 to remove any and all unnatural links to our site. We started with over 150k links and have gotten them down to just about 12k. All links were contacted multiple times and we provided proof of our work in contacting each website (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_RnM_AdwlOzRm55V3JKNVNoMDQ/edit?usp=drive_web). We have also submitted a disavow tool with hundreds of domains that we have determined are impossible to contact.

The 2nd reconsideration requests came back with one examples of bad links.

http://www.basearticles.com/Art/559486/117/Increase-Business-Branding-With-Reusable-Bags-As-Promotional-Products.html

This example URL was has it's domain included in our disavow list.

We feel like we have exhausted all possibilities on our end and are not sure where to go from here.

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

Re: Second Reconsideration Failled - Any Help or Sugestions would be extremely appreaciated Suzanneh 10/22/13 5:00 AM
And you're sure you properly disavowed that entire domain?  Maybe they're sending that link as an example -- as in, 'look for more article marketing' links?

Suzanne
Re: Second Reconsideration Failled - Any Help or Sugestions would be extremely appreaciated Lucas Carneiro 10/22/13 6:07 AM
Yes, I checked the disavow file to make sure and everything is disavowed properly.

The only thing I can think of is that the most updated disavow file we sent in was submitted about 2 days before we sent in the letter. Is there a chance they didn't get to put it into effect before they decided on our letter, hence, seeing that domain as an active link?
Re: Second Reconsideration Failled - Any Help or Sugestions would be extremely appreaciated Suzanneh 10/22/13 6:10 AM
I'm not 100% exactly sure of the process but I'll see if I can dig around a bit.  At the very least, it's an indication you're on the right trail.

Suzanne
Re: Second Reconsideration Failled - Any Help or Sugestions would be extremely appreaciated Lysis 10/22/13 6:44 AM
I've noticed that Google seems to be a little stubborn when it comes to article submissions. It's probably because article submissions are the site owner creating an account and posting articles. The links are definitely within your control ( log in and remove the link).
Re: Second Reconsideration Failled - Any Help or Sugestions would be extremely appreaciated Paul Macnamara 10/22/13 6:58 AM
Re: Second Reconsideration Failled - Any Help or Sugestions would be extremely appreaciated Lucas Carneiro 10/22/13 7:15 AM
Thanks for this Paul!!! We really appreciate it.
Re: Second Reconsideration Failled - Any Help or Sugestions would be extremely appreaciated Eric Kuan 10/22/13 1:45 PM
Great advice from Suzanneh, Lysis, and Paul for helping you file a successful reconsideration request. Thanks guys!

A couple of additional tips that might help:
  • The disavow tool should be used primarily if you have done everything you can to remove an inorganic link and still cannot get the link removed. If you are primarily disavowing links and not trying to remove them, your reconsideration request may not be successful.
  • Double check your disavow file and make sure the link you mentioned is properly disavowed. You can download your latest Disavow file by going to the Disavow tool, clicking "Disavow Links", and clicking "Download".
  • Documentation is really good and can help when reviewing your site for reconsideration. Make sure that when you send in documentation that it's accessible, though. It looks like https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_RnM_AdwlOzRm55V3JKNVNoMDQ/edit?usp=drive_web hasn't been shared properly.
Hope that helps!

Eric
Re: Second Reconsideration Failled - Any Help or Sugestions would be extremely appreaciated Lucas Carneiro 10/24/13 7:20 AM
Hi Eric,

We have removed all links possible. We are starting a third round in an attempt to remove more links but we have only used the disavow tool for those domains where we found it impossible to contact owner because they just did not respond or the site was abandoned.

We are working diligently to get within the guidelines.

Thank you for your help!
Re: Second Reconsideration Failled - Any Help or Sugestions would be extremely appreaciated Lucas Carneiro 10/25/13 7:37 AM
Hi Eric,

I changed permissions on the document so it is now accessible. If you get a chance to take a look at it let me know if I have included enough information in there.
Re: Second Reconsideration Failled - Any Help or Sugestions would be extremely appreaciated thefellafromthere 10/29/13 11:07 PM
hi. Your advice goes completely against matt cutts' advice in one of his recent videos.

Most site owners are not seo experts, nor they do have the time or money to send link removal requests, often the offending websites detai8ls are hidden by proxy or the webmaster just wont reply anyway.

Upon doing a link audit, we found that in July a site called carinsurancecheck.co.uk had posted SIX THOUSAND links into our site. An obvious black hat attack on us.

Although the site now seems offline, its harmed us, we cant contact the site, we haver disavowed it.

why SHOULD webmasters have to police their links now?

so my request could be ignored then, contrary to what matt said?

is that correct?
Re: Second Reconsideration Failled - Any Help or Sugestions would be extremely appreaciated thefellafromthere 10/29/13 11:29 PM
Re: Second Reconsideration Failled - Any Help or Sugestions would be extremely appreaciated thefellafromthere 10/30/13 12:27 AM
An interesting point. So are you suggesting that posting articles with a link back, even on good sites like ezine articles, sooperarticles, goartcles etc etc, are now webspam!??

Should webmasters just stop trying to get links altogether???
Re: Second Reconsideration Failled - Any Help or Sugestions would be extremely appreaciated black belt 10/30/13 1:02 AM
On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 3:27:04 AM UTC-4, thefellafromthere wrote:
An interesting point. So are you suggesting that posting articles with a link back, even on good sites like ezine articles, sooperarticles, goartcles etc etc, are now webspam!??

Should webmasters just stop trying to get links altogether???

This is the way I understand it. It's certainly ok to get links. But you're talking about creating links by yourself or compensating others to do so on your behalf. The idea is this - a backlink is supposed  to be reflective of another person indicating your site is useful and authoritative. That doesn't happen when you're writing articles praising yourself on someone else's website.  With all those article sites, what goes up there? Most of the time it's articles that aren't of much value and would never be written at all if it wasn't for the fact that backlinks could be placed into the articles - so that the backlinks could artificially boost page rank.


Re: Second Reconsideration Failled - Any Help or Sugestions would be extremely appreaciated thefellafromthere 10/30/13 2:41 AM

hmmmm, ok. It would be good to get the official google line on that. At least i would be able to remove the links on articles i posted myself, but although i havent done many in the past 2 years, this USED TO BE OK, so now its bad yes?

Its impossible trying to keep up with what google likes and doesnt like isnt it?

Getting back to the OP's question and the answer from a google employee, this is against what matt cutts says. so who is telling the truth? How would one know if their disavow list has been rejected?
Re: Second Reconsideration Failled - Any Help or Sugestions would be extremely appreaciated black belt 10/30/13 2:50 AM
This link has been around for a while. Best I can do: 

Link Schemes - https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/66356?hl=en

The best way to get other sites to create high-quality, relevant links to yours is to create unique, relevant content that can naturally gain popularity in the Internet community. Creating good content pays off: Links are usually editorial votes given by choice, and the more useful content you have, the greater the chances someone else will find that content valuable to their readers and link to it.

Re: Second Reconsideration Failled - Any Help or Sugestions would be extremely appreaciated thefellafromthere 10/30/13 3:13 AM

OK, but what about when an article is submitted, it is reviewed by an editor before it goes online. Surely THAT is a vote?
Re: Second Reconsideration Failled - Any Help or Sugestions would be extremely appreaciated Suzanneh 10/30/13 3:36 AM
>>this USED TO BE OK, so now its bad yes?

It's not that it used to be okay and now it's bad.  It was never okay.  Google said it took backlinks into consideration for ranking and all hell broke loose, basically.  The advent of WordPress and domain names being a dime a dozen made things worse (in that respect -- not dissing WP or the price of domains). Once Google realized its rankings were being manipulated in this way, it had to crack down or else it would lose its own visitors.

Suzanne
Re: Second Reconsideration Failled - Any Help or Sugestions would be extremely appreaciated thefellafromthere 10/30/13 3:43 AM
so for a site (or even my own site) to rank, remove ALL links! Is that it?

and disavow the rest, however, the fella on this thread said they may not accept it, contrary to what matt cutts said.

so, my site, for example, is prob best to be moved to a complete new domain with no links?