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Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage?

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Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? vinurajvarma 11/8/11 9:45 AM
I have read the FAQs and checked for similar issues: YES
My site's URL (web address) is:sharepress.org
Description (including timeline of any changes made):
I'm operating a multi author blog. Today i created a Google+Page for my site  and also linked between Google+ Pages and the website. I'm also using the Google+ rel="author" markup on the blog posts for authors.

The issues is that If you try to use both rel=author and rel=publisher markups at the same time in a webpage, you will get the error: Error: Both rel=publisher and rel=author are present on the page, we only verify rel=author link for this case. ( when tried to verify using Rich Snippets Testing Tool )

So is there any work around for this, so that both the markeup's get accepted?

Is there any problem using both?
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? VladislavTodorov 11/8/11 1:16 PM
I have the same exact problem - I already have the rel="author" and have just added the rel="publisher" to link to the newly created business page for my business, optilocal.org, on G+. And yes, Google's Rich Snippets Testing Tool gives me that explanation. And my website is multi-author, too.

A workaround would be great, but I want to note that it shouldn't matter all that much anyway. In http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=1408986 they explain that this is not the recommended way to include author data for multi-author blogs to begin with. Up until now I regarded my rel="author" markup as a kind of a bonus (although that could be fallacious thinking) but now I might get rid of it all together and just leave the rel="publish" markup, since authors are verified in a different way (as described in the link that i provided).

But anyway, that's just thinking aloud. To answer your original questions - I don't know if there is a work-around (would be nice if someone shares such a goodie!) but there most definitely shouldn't be a problem using both (in terms of mixing up Google).

Good luck!
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? Grace Massa Langlois 11/8/11 2:45 PM
I encountered the same difficulty today and I am hoping there is a fix.  I'm wondering if this will exclude is from Google Connect?
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? vinurajvarma 11/8/11 7:59 PM
@VladislavTodorov
Thanks for the information.
I used the  Option 2. Link your content to your Google Profile, and vice versa , to verify the authors.

But now as Google+pages have came, need to get that rel="author" and rel="publisher" on to one site, Hoping Google will provide a workaround soon

Thanks
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? Mike Webb 11/9/11 8:29 AM
It's Simple friends!!

While placing the tag in the <head> make sure you remove rel="publisher"
the final code should look like..

<link href="https://plus.google.com/105800457095568183578/" />

This will not disturb your authorship markup...

Let me know if it works!! :)

Mike Webb
Editor: cydiablog.com
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? vinurajvarma 11/9/11 9:24 AM
Hm, That seems doubts.
Without the rel=publisher does Google's Rich snippets identifies it?  If not then there is no use of it placing a link tag over header?
Thanks
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? VladislavTodorov 11/10/11 4:06 AM
@vinurajvarma, again - i had the same exact problem. I had used Option 2 for verifying authorship up until yesterday when I switched to Option 1. Not only is it the recommended option for multi-author blogs like our case, but also it removes the rel="author" mark-up which conflicts with the rel="publisher" markup which essentially solves the problem.
@Cydia Blog your solution kills the publisher markup and leaves only the authorship markup alive. You can check with the Rick Snippet Testing Tool! http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/richsnippets
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? Tony John 11/11/11 10:08 PM
Here is an article that describe rel=publisher markup and how does it fit in to the standards:

http://www.thoughtsfromgeeks.com/resources/2793-Rel-publisher-standard-HTML-markup-or.aspx
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? vinurajvarma 11/18/11 1:20 AM
Just a quick Bump..

Anyone got a update on this case. It seems we can now only use either rel=publisher or rel=author on a webpage and better to go with  rel=author , as in my case of multiple author blog it matter most.
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? Tony John 11/18/11 7:34 AM
I have been using both rel=publisher and rel=author. Yesterday I found rel=publisher takes precedence over the other. See the details in the reference link below.
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? vinurajvarma 11/18/11 7:45 AM
@Tony John
yes it seems so, i'm also getting search results with my web pages showing with publisher details rather than authors details.

But Google's Rich Snippets Testing Tool tell they are giving more preference to rel=author more than rel=publisher.

Still lots of confusion, hope any Google staff will help us out.

Thanks
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? Grace Massa Langlois 11/18/11 8:29 AM
I'm not sure what's happening, from what I understand they are picking up the rel=publisher over rel=author but for my pages it appears it's not happening.  My personal pic is still appearing with articles rather than my website pic.  Not sure what to make of it but I'm not all at all technically inclined so I'm not sure if my page os coded the way it should be.  Could someone take a look at my page and see if the code & links are in place properly?  I would be ever so grateful.  Here's my site - http://gracessweetlife.com and here are links to my personal google+ https://plus.google.com/u/0/107952527868351507023/posts?hl=en and business page https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/116455008338712344229/116455008338712344229/posts

Thank you!

Grace
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? Tony John 11/18/11 7:26 PM
@vitadolce, Your rel=publisher implementation does not look right... You are not using the canonical url of your Google+ Page. This is what you have: It should be:
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? Grace Massa Langlois 11/18/11 7:30 PM
@Tony John If you go to my Google+ profile page this is the url - https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/116455008338712344229/116455008338712344229/posts, the number is listed twice.  Is that weird?

Grace
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? Tony John 11/18/11 7:49 PM
@vitadolce,

Depending on how you reach your Google+ page, in some cases it repeats the page id twice in the url, which could be a glitch in the system. You do not need to be worried about it. If you look at the page source by using 'view source' and search for rel="canonical", you can see the correct canonical url for your page.
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? vinurajvarma 11/18/11 8:13 PM
The best way to get your Google profile Url is just typing https://plus.google.com/me

It will correctly redirect to the exact Google profile url

Thnaks
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? Tony John 11/18/11 8:46 PM
@vinurajvarma,

Thanks for the tip on /me. But I think the problem we are referring to (having the Page Id twice in the url) happens only for the Pages and not for our own +Profile.

For others who have no clue on what are pointing to, here is how you can find this glitch.

Go to https://plus.google.com/me
Now click on the down arrow near your name and go to one of your Google+ Pages
Then click on the Page name on the leftside.
Now look at the url. You will see the Page Id of the Google+ Page is repeated in the url.

Most people take this url and paste in the Google+ rel="publisher" markup, which may or may not work.
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? Str82u 11/24/11 10:42 PM
@vitadolce and @Tony John,

Tony is right, use the short address to your profile, you can see it when you hover over links to your plus page. Professional sites dealing with SEO seem to use the rel=publisher" in the HEAD and for their authors the ?rel=author for the BODY credits link.

Tony: What's the benefit to using two different plus profiles with the rel=publisher in your head? Isn't "dual publishers" a contradiction or another word like it?

The reason for the odd/doubled numbers is tracking related, how you get from page to page. Facebook has it too but since they use usernames at Facebook it's easy to see happen. You can see that it attaches your profile number/username to the next URL, even if it's someone elses profile.

As a side note to Tony; Later down the road, see if Webmaster Tools has you down for a broken link associated with the URL you posted as "Query used"
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? JohnMu 11/27/11 3:11 AM
Hi guys

just a few short comments: it's fine to have both a link rel=publisher and author-markup on the same page. The rel=publisher confirms that your website is the publisher of that Google+ Page; the authorship markup confirms that you (your personal profile) is the author of the content on that page. This markup can be used independently, since  the meanings are slightly different. The issue with the Rich Snippets testing tool flagging this as an error is a bug on our side and should be resolved soon (sorry about the confusion caused by that!). 

Cheers
John
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? vinurajvarma 11/27/11 5:42 AM
@JohnMu

Really thanks JohnMu for the clarification in this matter.

Thank you veryuch
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? JordanDHShaw 11/27/11 4:03 PM
@JohnMu

One note about getting authorship to work with Blogger, and then a few quick questions.

Thanks to a tip from someone in Germany, I know that "<b:include data='blog' name='all-head-content'/>" has to be removed in order for "<link href='https://plus.google.com/[GOOGLEPLUS-ID]' rel='author'/>" to work for authorship. Doing so returns an "Authorship markup is correct for this page" status from the Rich Snippet tool. Removing the "rel='author'" pieces from the "About Me" widget removes the other two "Error" messages.


However, nothing I do enables "<link href='https://plus.google.com/[GOOGLEPLUS-ID]' rel='publisher'/>" to return positive results with the Rich Snippets tool.

If I paste the "publisher" code above the "author code", I get the "rel=publisher and rel=author are present" error.

To clarify, I'm using a Google+ personal profile url for the author link, and a Google+ Page url for the publisher link.

Am I on the right track? Do I just need to wait for Google to verify the link between my Page and my blog?



Side note: Do you anticipate Google merging Blogger profiles with Google+, as they did with Google profiles?
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? Rajesh Narayanan 12/5/11 7:18 PM
Blogger profiles can be merged with Google+. check out the option available in blogger-in-draft.
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? JordanDHShaw 12/5/11 7:35 PM
Awesome. My rel='publisher' problem is also displayed as fixed via the RST. The badge on my blog isn't displaying my name, though.. :\ I'll keep working at it.
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? UKSBD 12/20/11 8:58 AM
@JohnMu

Any more news on when the rich snippets tool will be updated?

Also, can a Page be an author or only a Profile?

At the moment I have my Google+ Page as the Publisher and my Google+ Profile as the author, is that correct or can I set my Google+ Page as both author and publisher?
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? JohnMu 12/21/11 5:09 AM
Hi UKSBD

As far as I can tell, the tool has been updated to accept pages with both rel=publisher and rel=author, it just shows a warning when you have both of them on the same page in case you're not doing that on purpose. 

At the moment, only a "person" (eg Google Profile) can be an author, so from the sounds of it, you have that set up properly. 

Cheers
John
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? UKSBD 12/21/11 6:48 AM
Thank you John

I see it does now show the publisher and author information, the warning is a bit "in your face" though.

My Page avatar appears in the Google Search Preview, does publisher always take precedence over profile?
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? Mike Tommasi 12/21/11 12:57 PM
If your site is HTML5 and you use the recommended <link rel="publisher"> your site will not validate, and you will get the error:

  Bad value publisher for attribute rel on element link: Keyword publisher is not registered.

Apparently "publisher" has been dropped from the registered list of link types.

Anyone know how to get around this?  Seems incredible that Google would recommend something that has been dropped!

Mike
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? verygoodservice 1/13/12 11:24 AM
hello John,
Is it possible to have both a website and a blog  with a rel="publisher" link to the same google+ page  or does the website/google+ relationship need to be on a one on one basis?
Many thanks
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? shafeeq ts 2/1/12 11:07 AM
sir., am already authorship markup verified but not publisher.so i want simple help that what full code for publisher? where i add in blogger? advance thanks sir
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? SinisaITWeb 2/10/12 12:06 AM
Everything is verified by RICH SNIPPET TOOL on our side ie. Author links on content pages to their respective G+ profiles, Publisher REL link and yet thumbs are not showing in index search... More than 50 journalist and contributors on the web site, all original content ... http://www.itweb.co.za/
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? Vibhuism 2/12/12 12:59 PM
is any one still subscribed to this thread?? Is the problem resolved ??


  found this thread  


  http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Webmasters/thread?fid=3b33f3e6d13a9f340004b8ca761f112f&hl=en

 
some people are not getting the error if http is removed, what about any one of you?? I am getting the same error with & without http.....
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? vinurajvarma 2/12/12 7:50 PM
I think the problem seems to be solved, No the rich snippet tool wont give that error.
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? pijush roy 2/18/12 4:20 AM
I text last posted link:- http://www.pijushroy.com/2012/02/cash-credit-facility.html

Result:- (follow warning in publisher section)

author
linked author profile = http://www.pijushroy.com/2011/06/about-me.html
google profile = http://profiles.google.com/109940803348290361246/about
author name = Pijush Roy
Verified: Authorship markup is verified for this page. Learn more.

publisher
linked Google+ page = https://plus.google.com/106974673631909740154
Verified: Publisher markup is verified for this page. Learn more.
Warning: Both rel="publisher" and rel="author" are present on the page. You should put rel="author" on content pages and rel="publisher" on your home page only (unless this is the home page of a single author site).

author
linked author profile = https://plus.google.com/109940803348290361246

Plz help me to overcome this problem.
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? Rajesh Narayanan 2/18/12 6:12 AM
The warning is a bug, as told by one of the top contributors. you can ignore it.
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? Kang Bull 2/24/12 2:48 AM
I also got this problem after implementing +Google page on my web site. The rel="publisher" is only for home page, as Google said.
Unfortunately, the rel="publisher" for +Google page should be put on header. So, both home or single will load this rel.
To fix this, I just add "If" php logical code to show the rel="publisher" only for my home page. And my problem fixed.
For wordpress user, just add ... <?php if( is_home() ) { ?> rel="publisher" <?php } ?> ...
I hope it works for you
Thanks
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? vinurajvarma 2/24/12 2:51 AM
Thanks @Kang Bull for the tutorial on implementing the same in Wordpress.
Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? biggles76 3/21/12 2:18 PM
I found the issue is whatever URl your using in your google+ profile, so if you use www.site.com and test the rich snippets tool with that it will work, don't use the www with just site.com and it wont work. Try it!

I recommend to set this to whatever preference you have used for your website. Naturally you should have your site redirect from www to non www or vice versa. Make sure the webmaster tools display the same.

Re: Using rel=publisher and rel=author at the same time for a webpage? IsraelSensaCine 5/29/12 2:40 AM
Hello John!

I have a quick question about 'author' and 'publisher'.

Is enought to have only the publisher tag? 

Or is much better to use 'Author' tag in each article and also 'Publisher' tag for a big company like ours.


As you can see we have many autors and it is a website not only a blog.

Thank you very much for your response and dedication.

Cheers 

Isra
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