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Re: Competitor might be doing a bad SEO attack against us. Strong traffic drop

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Re: Competitor might be doing a bad SEO attack against us. Strong traffic drop fathom 6/17/12 8:18 PM
When did you see an upward spike in traffic?
Levi1 6/17/12 8:21 PM <This message has been deleted.>
Re: Competitor might be doing a bad SEO attack against us. Strong traffic drop fathom 6/17/12 8:34 PM
So you don't have:
  1. link exchanges
  2. 3-way links
  3. blog comment links
  4. forum sig links
  5. volume number of press release
  6. volume number of article submission for links
  7. any link buying e.g. paid links
  8. participate in link wheels
  9. any/many blogroll links
  10. partcipate in link schemes
  11. static banner ads
  12. footer links
  13. pay-to-post blog posts   
 
Re: Competitor might be doing a bad SEO attack against us. Strong traffic drop fathom 6/17/12 8:35 PM
what links (types) do you have?
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Re: Competitor might be doing a bad SEO attack against us. Strong traffic drop fathom 6/17/12 8:47 PM
checking... back in a few
Re: Competitor might be doing a bad SEO attack against us. Strong traffic drop fathom 6/17/12 9:05 PM

On Monday, June 18, 2012 12:46:14 AM UTC-3, youknowit wrote:
My concern is that we got a link blast over the weekend which was probably created by a competitor and now we need to know how to handle it.
 
Well being expereinced in links they don't credit that fast.
 
If you happened to lose anything over "THIS WEEKEND" chances are it was developed months ago... at least weeks ago.
 
5-14 days I can make link credits appear on better than average quality domain... your alleged competitor isn't going to spend 10s of thousands of dollars on you on the off chance someone with the right skills can get you devalued
 
But I don't take anything for granted
 
You have lots of anchors NYC apartments for sale and rent and your still rank top 5
 
What did your alleged competitor use? 
 
Re: Competitor might be doing a bad SEO attack against us. Strong traffic drop StevieD_Web 6/17/12 9:05 PM
Personally I would look to other issues.....

I pulled a 10 word quote from one of your articles on the front page of the website.

No, it did not match anything... which is good.... but it is obvious that you are not the originator of the article as the architecture firm designing the work, the lead contractor performing the work, the client themselves, some architecture sites claiming to have worked on the project, the NYPost, Wikipedia and NYmag all ranked before your site at #14.

Basically you got a credibility problem and/or the quality of the content is just not unique enough to separate you from some pretty major competition.


>For sure we do 1-2 article submissions a month or 4-5 blog comments a month or 1-2 press releases a year and we are in 4 known real estate forums with sig links but with real posts once in a while 

that kind of creative linkbuilding BS is not being done by any of the competitors for the article.  Think about it.  They don't need to.  But you are.

I would stop the creative linkbuilding BS and concentrate on providing a level of content far above and more unique than what is found in the NYPost and NYmag.

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Re: Competitor might be doing a bad SEO attack against us. Strong traffic drop fathom 6/17/12 9:29 PM
Honestly, if you are top 5 for the phrase Google does not see a problem there (not that it isn't a problem - just that Google didn't detect one yet).
 
I don't see and major link or content issues but we are looking would know your history and you suggest you are "white gold" and someone else is harming you.
 
This what I know... if you are not doing anything wrong (what-so-ever) no one can harm you... because their spam will drive you up and when nailed you fall back to where you should be.
 
If you are also webspamming and they do should your go and and when you fall back Google does not distinguish beween your webspam and someone other then your webspam - it is all just webspam and it gets kill... and that is what takes out your ranks.
 
So as Steve mentioned... scrutinize both your content and link efforts and also review all the algo updates and how they compared to your changes.
 
Other clues... when ranked phrases do you have and what did you lose are important indicators.
On Monday, June 18, 2012 1:09:14 AM UTC-3, youknowit wrote:
I see. We had one "specialist" in our group who thought using the anchor "NYC apartments for sale and rent" is a revolutionary idea. After finding his idea we did our best to remove all links with that anchor (btw. he produced way less than 50) but that was certainly 2-3 months ago and by now there shouldn't be more than 5 domains with that anchor.
Levi1 6/17/12 9:38 PM <This message has been deleted.>
Re: Competitor might be doing a bad SEO attack against us. Strong traffic drop fathom 6/17/12 9:44 PM

On Monday, June 18, 2012 1:23:40 AM UTC-3, youknowit wrote:
StevieD. There is no Real Estate website out there in New York which gives better or more exhausting details about buildings than ours. There is no real estate website out there which writes 100% original articles but we do. There is no real estate website out there which invests 1000's of hours to build the best possible content. If it's about real estate building than wikipedia, nymag, nypost CANNOT compete with us. They are far away from our level. They all are.

You should get a 3rd party to provide you an objective review... your view is highly subjective... of course you believe you are the best... that's why you lost results and all the other domains that moved up - did not.
Why did the competitor pick just you?
 
That might be a problem. Since real estate buildings have many keywords in common like amenities it  might be a problem that many keywords appear again and again. They all have an elevator, doorman etc.

Google might like the chaos more of other websites. A chaos which nobody can read. We show the most exhausting database for real estate in New York in a very clean way.
 
Again... I cannot claim you don't... but try this... "I'm the best SEO in the world... I'm so much better than everyone else"
 
I said it... is it actually true?
 
Again of course you have a bias opinion - if would foolish for you to come here and claim that everyone else is better than you. 
I'm sorry StevieD but it literally makes me sick when people like you tell me that we have no good content. It makes me sick that we spend more than any other company to build quality content. The difference is just that we love buildings, we love the apartments and we care about them. That's why we just write original content and you won't find any detail about any buiding which we don't mention and I can assure that we are the only ones in New York.
 
Free advice isn't worth much... and while Steve & I don't not always agree telling truth to power isn't easy... you got to have a thick skin... and my rebuttal is this... "I didn't lose anything" and I have competitors more knowledgeable about SEO than you... so wipe up your vomit and start listening to the messenger... or don't and have fun at the bottom.
Sorry StevieD for being that harsh but what you wrote is just BS
 
Seriously, you're blaming a competitor... which one?
 
Go the the resources... ask for the personal information, if they won't provide it hire an attorney to subpeona the account reports... then sue them for damages.
 
Best money you'll ever spend (course only if a comptitor actually did something).
 
Goodluck!
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Re: Competitor might be doing a bad SEO attack against us. Strong traffic drop ShopSafe 6/17/12 10:05 PM
Hello youknowit. :)

(Beware of posters posturing for an SEO gig, you might be asked for a donation shortly if you haven't already).

Apparently a tool to deal with negative seo will be added to webmaster tools at some point but there is no eta. Like you, I hope it will be sooner rather then later.

Do any of these look familiar?

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Re: Competitor might be doing a bad SEO attack against us. Strong traffic drop ShopSafe 6/17/12 10:27 PM
OK - most people reporting this issue mention multiple methods, I think you should watch closely but not be concerned about at this stage.
Re: Competitor might be doing a bad SEO attack against us. Strong traffic drop Jonny Quick 6/17/12 10:28 PM
Read BHW.  There are lots of SEO guys in high-end real estate that are toying with, talking about and actually experimenting with negative SEO.  Whether it works or not is the rage right now.  Google is talking out of both sides of it's mouth.  SEOMoz is bulletproof, but many other so-called white hat sites are not, and are getting beat-up to prove a point.  Blackhats are pissed, and they are punishing people.  They are also toying with the idea that $100 worth of spam backlinks might push a competitor to page 2.  Strategically it might not be a very good idea to go around publicly verifying the effectiveness of these methods (if they are in fact being utilized).  Your 2-3 month estranged SEO guy might also be to blame.  Spam backlinks are insanely cheap.  So many white hats are so afraid of the dark side that they have absolutely no idea what it is, how it works, etc.... they talk about it as if it were a theoretical concept.  They talk about talking about it, because they don't know enough to actually talk about it.  And "it" is a whole lot more attainable, and closer to reality than they think.  The Better Business Bureau wants $500 per year to be a member, and they have the best backlink a local business can buy.  Whole lot of "grey" up in here.

I'd also get off the whole "my site is the most wonderful site in the world" routine.  That might impress the people that write your checks, but it doesn't impress me or anyone else that does this stuff regularly.  All sites are flawed.  All sites can be improved.  Arrogant people that first ask for constructive criticism and then start sing a long & loud song about how much they just love their beavernuggets.com website, and they have the best beavernuggets ever made, the freshest content, the best SEO strategy, and a free Captain Zonkers Spy-Ring in every box, well that just about shuts down the motivation of anyone that might want to offer some help.

Who wants to help a guy that's got 5 different reasons why every suggestion made is wrong.

Your apartments sell for sometimes 5 or 10 thousand dollars (I assume, per month).  That's some real money.  I put myself in the position of the people that own that property, and the first person I would be looking at for why I'm falling in the rankings is you.  You are here asking for help.  Help is being given.  Your responses are diminishing the likelihood that the help will continue, and yet there are thousands (millions?) of dollars at stake.

Finally, not is all that it appears to be.  Sometimes the SEO guy is a complete idiot.  He learned how to do SEO 3 years ago when it was easy.  A SeNukeX blast here, and 3000 directory submissions there, a few link pyramids and he was rich.  He hasn't learned a thing since then, and Penguin has turned the SEO world completely upside-down.  He's not an SEO guy anymore.  He's a has-been, a used-to-be and a never-was, and now he's also a BS-r that has to believe in his own BS, that link wheels and other doomed-to-failure link building practices (that stopped working 2 years ago) are still a valid way to do SEO.  Yes, that guy is stupid enough, even after Penguin, to continue to do the exact same thing he's always done, even if thousands (millions?) of dollars are at stake.
Re: Competitor might be doing a bad SEO attack against us. Strong traffic drop fathom 6/17/12 11:09 PM
  1. Where are the links from - url?
  2. Can you contact that website and get the account information for the link poster
  3. If they won't provide hire an attorney for about $100-$200 and get a subpeona for the records
  4. Just because people claims Negative SEO caused their problems doesn't mean that is what caused your problems. But ShopSafe is an expert at Negative SEO detection methods. Ask him for help - his a genius when it comes to this stuff
  5. Get a free consultation from any IP/civil attorney (they'll know what to do)

On Monday, June 18, 2012 1:48:14 AM UTC-3, youknowit wrote:

I don't know if it was a competitor and which one it was. I just know that we lost lots of traffic over the weekend and that tools like majesticseo show hundreds of backlinks which came out of nowhere.
Levi1 6/17/12 11:24 PM <This message has been deleted.>
Re: Competitor might be doing a bad SEO attack against us. Strong traffic drop Phil Payne 6/17/12 11:51 PM
Nothing to do with any competitor - it's a comment spam program that's bitten you in the butt.

Like the post from 'John' on http://www.basicthinking.de/blog/2012/03/16/australier-ist-erster-ipad-besitzer-nachrichten-im-hype-strudel/ and many more.

Malfeasants just don't do it that way.  I see a lot have been cleaned up already but there's a way to go yet.
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Re: Competitor might be doing a bad SEO attack against us. Strong traffic drop Lysis 6/18/12 8:02 AM
>>  Read BHW.  There are lots of SEO guys in high-end real estate that are toying with, talking about and actually experimenting with negative SEO.

I really hope you don't take what is posted in there as truth. There is a thread going on in there that says if you remove your site from WMT and GA that your site will recover from Penguin. The OP claims his site recovered and that's how he did it. Of course, when someone calls him on the carpet for proof, he says "I do not want to argue." LOL 

BHW is good for entertainment, but the real winners are not posting nonsense in the public forums. Most of those people are FOS and it's obvious to anyone with half a clue.
Re: Competitor might be doing a bad SEO attack against us. Strong traffic drop Jonny Quick 6/18/12 9:10 AM


On Monday, June 18, 2012 10:02:18 AM UTC-5, Lysis wrote:
I really hope you don't take what is posted in there as truth. There is a thread going on in there that says if you remove your site from WMT and GA that your site will recover from Penguin. The OP claims his site recovered and that's how he did it. Of course, when someone calls him on the carpet for proof, he says "I do not want to argue." LOL 

BHW is good for entertainment, but the real winners are not posting nonsense in the public forums. Most of those people are FOS and it's obvious to anyone with half a clue.

There is a thread on this forum where some mentally deficient whack-job extols the virtues of how "sexy" Matt Cutts is.  She goes on at length about all the deviant behaviors she'd like to engage in with Matt Cutts.  Because of that, nothing on this entire forum is true.  It's great entertainment, but I don't take anything I read here seriously. 
Re: Competitor might be doing a bad SEO attack against us. Strong traffic drop Lysis 6/18/12 10:05 AM


There is a thread on this forum where some mentally deficient whack-job extols the virtues of how "sexy" Matt Cutts is.  She goes on at length about all the deviant behaviors she'd like to engage in with Matt Cutts.  Because of that, nothing on this entire forum is true.  It's great entertainment, but I don't take anything I read here seriously. 

But does she have it in her Google Bionic Profile that Google put there? Oh yes, I believe she does. :) 
Re: Competitor might be doing a bad SEO attack against us. Strong traffic drop Panda_Effects 6/18/12 10:07 AM
Looks like more than one LOL

https://productforums.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!searchin/webmasters/lysis/webmasters/ErYZDc5E60U/gsfNBoBrzFYJ 
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Re: Competitor might be doing a bad SEO attack against us. Strong traffic drop Panda_Effects 6/18/12 11:44 AM
"comment spam program"

I would like more explanation about this too.  I do not have any way for people to comment on my pages but my understanding is Google recommends that?  So if true, why would a comment program be considered spam?
Re: Competitor might be doing a bad SEO attack against us. Strong traffic drop JohnMu 6/19/12 6:15 AM
Hi youknowit

From what I can tell, your site is still fairly new - with most of the content just a few months old, is that correct? In cases like that, it can take a bit of time for search engines to catch up with your content, and to learn to treat it appropriately. It's one thing to have a fantastic website, but search engines generally need a bit more to be able to confirm that, and to rank your site - your content - appropriately.

That said, if you're engaging in techniques like comment spam, forum profile link-dropping, dropping links in unrelated articles, or just placing it on random websites, then those would be things I'd strongly recommend stopping and cleaning up if you can. 

Cheers
John
Re: Competitor might be doing a bad SEO attack against us. Strong traffic drop Panda_Effects 6/19/12 7:06 AM
Found the answer to my question which the answer is it is ok to have natural comments but appears some use programs to auto generate them which is spam.

What is Google doing to combat the effects of comment spam?


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Re: Competitor might be doing a bad SEO attack against us. Strong traffic drop masconte 6/21/12 1:50 AM
Personally i belive that competitors black hat methods wont work. Yes its very easy go fiverr and buy megatons of links against your competitors but because its so easy google simply will ignore that kind of links giving 0 value. So i can suggest you to check on webmaster if your loading time is increased and if so, investigate looking at your webserver log.
 
Re: Competitor might be doing a bad SEO attack against us. Strong traffic drop ShopSafe 6/21/12 3:35 AM
I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, masconte, but your personal beliefs are unfounded. 

Google either has no ability to ignore those links or they don't ignore bad links for reasons known only to themselves. 

I'm not sure either way but the only thing I am absolutely certain of is that they told you they ignored bad links and you believed them. :)

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Re: Competitor might be doing a bad SEO attack against us. Strong traffic drop sohail fdfdfd 11/4/12 2:23 AM
 i also get this weekend we also got a very strong SPAM






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