|Google: Please do something about updowner.com||Norm DePlume||3/12/12 12:22 PM|
I'm not clear on how Google's fancy new "Panda" setup doesn't see this site for what it is. Google has indexed 53 MILLION pages of autogenerated garbage from this crap website. Type site:updowner.com into google too see this.
Note the little scrolling divs where they copy pretty much the whole page of various websites, while optimizing the <title> <description>, etc tags to get free traffic from scraping and re-posting other people's content.
I've reported the site as spam, more than a month ago.
Do you really care about quality on the web? Then step up to the plate and smack this pile of garbage off the internet.
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||travler||3/12/12 12:39 PM|
They show up in webmaster tools as backlinks, too, and they are just annoying garbage and driving me mad. I love how they show google;s blogspot.in as one of the fastest growing sites on the web. That's like saying facebook and twitter are popular. .lol
But seriously, I agree with you - they return like 53 million pages. Never see any traffic come through to my site with them as a referrer tho - and not sure who they are using for ads since the ads all talk or jump all over the place - don't look like googleads tho.
Checked out the FAQ page and they suggest blocking their bot if you don't want them crawling/indexing.
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||ByteRider||3/12/12 12:44 PM|
I agree. Germany passed a law today to attack sites like UpDowner...
Sometimes I think without spam/plagiarizing sites like updowner,Google wouldn't have any content of their.... since a VAST number of these highly rank sites (top 100K) are plagiarizers.
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||Lysis||3/12/12 1:23 PM|
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||travler||3/12/12 1:40 PM|
just wondering how they get away with copying alexa charts and alexa not saying anything about that.
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||StevieD_Web||3/12/12 3:17 PM|
It ain't working. Those SOBs (and you know what that means) STILL crawl my site and my backlink count (per Google) has doubled in the past 60 days since I installed the block.
The other ones I just love are :
and new just in the past 48 hours (new as in Google reporting 72 links to 12 pages in my site) is agoner .com
Come on Google, give us a tool in WMT to let us tell you about these wonderful sites.
But first, just zap that Updowner site and discard the links.
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||travler||3/12/12 3:43 PM|
Oh that agoner - hope it soon is 'a goner' lol
see the nice paid links? submit.php - and the adsense everywhere? and video links in grey tiny type?
EM EFF EH? gar -bahge - only hope they are sooo low in serps no one ever sees them but SEOS doing what they do.
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||StevieD_Web||3/12/12 6:52 PM|
oh you like that name. Same here.
I thought I would mention them and hope that John Mu and company take a peak at this thread.
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||Lysis||3/13/12 5:17 AM|
Never hurts to complain here. :) I happen to agree and other TCs do too, so there's a good chance someone flagged it. ;)
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||Norm DePlume||3/19/12 5:19 PM|
53.5 million indexed pages now. Google must consider updowner.com a quality site.
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||travler||3/19/12 5:21 PM|
if so, then it's the only one :-)
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||StevieD_Web||3/19/12 6:37 PM|
NO. Not true.
Norm, you need to read the Google General Rating guidelines ( for their human evaluators of potential alogrithm updates ). In the guidelines.....
( which by the way no of us are suppose to have a copy but like everything else.... stuff leaks out ........ so I am going to paraphrase )
Other spam pages which are semi-low quality and contain content that might be helpful to a visitor may be assigned a rating of semi-relevant
Some sites could be determined to be super important and still be assigned a spam tag because the site engages in some sort of extremely bad or offensive behavior.
(there, I don't think my paraphrasing is close to the original )
1) a crappy site can still have value of some sort
2) Just because the site is in the index doesn't mean Google likes or doesn't like the site, Google indexes and shows everything (with criminal or malware infested exceptions) and lets the Google users ultimately determine the value of the site.
PS: I would hope that Google will stop showing the updowner backlinks in my WMT because in my opinion the site is crap.
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||Norm DePlume||3/19/12 6:45 PM|
I think you missed the sarcasm.
However, in effect, they do consider it a quality site, because they've rewarded it with a huge amount of organic traffic, and continue to do so with great fervor.
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||Norm DePlume||3/19/12 7:01 PM|
Oh, and the guidelines you mentioned? I understand you feel like Google can do no wrong, but here's my rough summary of how that works.
1. The raters surf a representative group of sites, and rate them using the guidelines.h
2. Google then runs a machine learning algorithm on the ratings, and maps "characteristics" of the rated websites against them.
3. Google then makes the big leap that "sites with characteristics like the ones rated low" must be "bad".
Underneath all that, the algorithm is probably making some good decisions, and some bad ones. As one example, there's a particular e-commerce platform that happens to have some "bad" people using it, as well as some "good" users. Panda has apparently decided that any site that has the "signature" of this underlying platform, regardless of the actual content, must be smack-worthy. Many babies get thrown out with the bathwater as it were. ( Yes, I'm aware many factors are in the algorithm, but the case cited is real...many, many decent sites got smacked merely for using this platform )
And, ignoring Panda for a minute, they are unabashedly copying content from HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SITES, and outranking the source site in many cases. I've reported them as spam, as have many others, and yet they continue to grow in terms of indexed pages and organic traffic from Google.
What about any of this points at Google NOT liking updowner.com? They LOVE it.
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||StevieD_Web||3/19/12 11:18 PM|
How do you know that updowner is receiving any organic traffic?
53 million pages purportedly indexed and this is all they can do http://updowner.com.websiterecord.com/ ?
Oh, and why would Google send their own customers (searchers) to another search engine for fulfillment of the customer's query?
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||Norm DePlume||3/20/12 4:55 AM|
Not sure I understand the "this is all they can do" part.
According to the link you posted:
Alexa Rank: 3274. It's the 3,274th most visited website on the planet.
All without creating any human-written content.
Your link seems to confirm, not dispute my points.
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||Norm DePlume||3/20/12 4:59 AM|
"Oh, and why would Google send their own customers (searchers) to another search engine for fulfillment of the customer's query?"
Lost me there. You think updowner.com is a search engine?
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||Norm DePlume||3/20/12 5:15 AM|
Oh, I see.
I said roughly "Google is sending them organic traffic", and you think I meant something different.
"Sending organic traffic", in this case, means that Google is buying into their automated content farm scheme. Updowner.com ranks well in Google for a ton of low search volume long-tail/multi-work phrases BECAUSE google has allowed 53+M pages of their B.S. to be indexed.
None of these phrases by themselves get searched for much, but when Google loves you enough to index just about anything you publish, it adds up to big traffic.
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||StevieD_Web||3/20/12 8:56 AM|
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||Norm DePlume||3/20/12 9:08 AM|
Uh, okay. That makes any site that uses wordpress a "search engine" as well, since there's a search page that takes strings as a query parameter and returns matching content.
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||StevieD_Web||3/20/12 9:11 AM|
Actually they don't rank well.
I have a low volume website specializing in the sales of long tail products. Some pages..... 100 hits/month ...... 150 queries/month if one is to believe WMT. Long tail, very few competitors. And updowner is nowhere to be found...... oh, maybe over on page 5...... not very beneficial.
Searching for myself on Google (because I know all the pages exist on updowner ), updowner shows up on the top of page 4...... again, not very beneficial..... especially since myname search is a navigational search and the 1st results are the appropriate response for the query and will account for 99% of all hits.
the chart that I provided showed 200,000 unique visitors from 53,000,000 indexed pages. that 1 visitor per month per 265 pages indexed. Not exactly screaming success story.
Updowner is trash. It (and sites like it) don't belong in the index. I don't want Google to show me any backlinks from Updowner in my WMT. But there is no way that Updowner is stealing much traffic from me or sales away from me.
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||Norm DePlume||3/20/12 9:53 AM|
When the level of effort to create and index a page is ZERO, and Google indexes any crap you create, 1 visitor per 256 pages is free money.
Thus far, their model is scaling at a linear rate.
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||mcawebn||3/23/12 11:15 AM|
Have you uploaded any "Disallow" info into your robot.txt that has worked on these sites? I am trying to block them as well. As updowner.com links have increased to my site, rankings have dropped.
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||StevieD_Web||3/23/12 12:28 PM|
Same here. Nothing is working.
But my rankings are totally unaffected. .
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||webado||3/25/12 7:27 PM|
Those pages from updowner are also laden with malware.
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||Keefbeef||3/26/12 2:13 AM|
Hi. I have had notification from Google today in Webmasters tools of unnatural links detected to my website. And yes they are coming from updowner. They are saying that my site does not meet their quality guidelines so I am assuming that I will be blocked at some point. At the time of this post my site is still indexed in Goole but I am concerned that they may block it in light of this message. Has anyone found a way to get these links removed yet?
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||travler||3/26/12 5:36 AM|
I have now 9000+ backlinks from updowner but no messages about unnatural links.
There is a new player though this week http://en.mapatlas .org/s/about with over 900 backlinks in a week to my site. The mapatlas site appears to be using google maps and google images many pages, and is simply covered in adsense ads.
On one page they 'thank' google for assistance in setting up site. Have to wonder that google NEEDS their assistance to showcase its google earth and google map data .
Looks like another MFA but why they need to backlink to me I don't know unless images on certain pages are google maps or my images in google search .
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||micoraweb||3/26/12 8:13 AM|
Does anyone at Google ever read these complaints? This is ridiculous that sites like this are getting indexed while google is shouting all over the place that they care about quality and relevancy of content.
Yes, The Internets are full of crap like this in their tubes and Google is a rat.
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||micoraweb||3/26/12 8:15 AM|
If Google likes websites like this, I could feed it with a thousand of such UpDowners for Free! But I do love my Internets clean and therefore I will never do anything like that, and therefore this is why I'm asking - hello, anyone at Google... ? please kill this site.. :)
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||Lysis||3/26/12 12:36 PM|
Yes they do, but sometimes, the sites don't show up for queries anyway, so who cares? the site is a nuisance, but if it never shows up over your own site then who cares? I doubt very much Google is giving people the penalty over a scraper site of backlinks.
If it was your site that was crap, you'd be the first one here to complain that your site isn't indexed and it was unfair.
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||Norm DePlume||3/26/12 1:04 PM|
Lysis: You seem like a smart guy, but your knowledge of how Google operates seems either outdated, or unduly influenced by your apparent belief that Google can do no wrong..
1) Google regularly de-indexes sites, especially those that are trying to autogenerate pages for the purposes of garnering traffic. Why they won't deindex this site is a mystery to me.
2) While google isn't giving updowner.com any traffic from "popular" keywords, it's giving them a crapload of traffic from longtail searches as well as "mywebsite.com" searches. It's basically SEO arbitrage. You can do your own research, but here's a two example phrases:
vladimir tolkachov ( page 1, spot 10 )
newsrescue saro wiwa ( page 1, spot 5)
Granted, the terms they rank for aren't high volume, but when you have 50+M indexed pages, the "long tail" adds up.
3) Updowner.com, aside from autogenerating garbage pages, is also stealing content from legit sites, and putting it into tiny scrollable divs. This is creating two problems:
a) Unusually high incoming link velocity for the sites who's content was scraped, sometimes resulting in the dreaded "Un-natural links" message in GWT for the website owner.
b) Duplicate content issues. ( Please don't give the line that Google doesn't penalize for duplicate content. It does. See http://www.seomoz.org/blog/duplicate-content-in-a-post-panda-world for the truth.
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||Lysis||3/26/12 1:06 PM|
Why thank you, doctor.
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||Norm DePlume||3/26/12 1:20 PM|
I'm not Dr. Pete (from the SEOMoz Article), but I do manage a very large portfolio of sites, both my own, as well as a number of clients. I do respect Dr Pete, and value his opinions.
And, I'll be honest. I have a large number of very high quality, popular sites, as well as some lower quality sites. To date, Google's recent changes have actually given more benefit to the lower quality sites in my portfolio. This is a pretty large sample set, more than 1000 sites. Personally, I think Panda was a good idea that just fails in real life due to variables and factors that it doesn't know about. Search results post-Panda are less relevant than they were before. This new "anti-webmaster / anti-SEO" movement in Google isn't going to get them the results they want either.
Facebook and Apple are eventually going to eat Google's lunch, especially with all of Google's focus now going towards trying to make Google+ a facebook alternative. Ask anyone under 21, that's not a "techie" what Google+ is. You'll get a blank stare. Then watch them use the web. Even though Facebook's search is lame, they use it before using Google.
Great post on that here: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jw_on_tech/archive/2012/03/13/why-i-left-google.aspx
Google: You've forgotten what you're supposed to be :)
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||webado||3/26/12 8:26 PM|
It's not anti-webmaster, not even anti-SEO. It's anti-spam. Anti-garbage. Anti-fraud. Ideally at least.
The fact remains that a very large percentage of SEO practitioners are engaging in spammy tactics. Those are dangerous.
Of what's left a very large percentage are still not truthful as to what they can possibly achieve even while unable to achieve much of anything.
I would consider an ethical SEO's duty to first advise and educate their client. If the client's content is hopeless crap they should plain refuse to do anything with it unless and until the client is willing to provide proper content for a proper website or give up. The SEO should point out that whoever undertook to build the site for such content should have been strung and quartered.
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||Norm DePlume||3/26/12 9:41 PM|
I'll grant you that perhaps it was intended to be anti-spam. Do you honestly think the top SERP positions contain higher quality sites than they did prior to Panda? Personally, if it were a lawn, I'd say it used to be grass with weeds in some bad spots. Now it's a little less grass, a little more weeds, and a few pieces of dog crap to boot.
I'll pass on the "ethical SEO" bait. SEO is a business, not a religion. As much as it infuriates everyone, building links and content isn't illegal, or even, immoral. I find more potential for er, "slips of ethics", on those who decide what value links have than those that create them. This thread is a good example. Updowner.com only bothers people because Google assigned value to it. They can create crap all day long, and nobody would care, so long as search engines don't pump it full of artificial value.
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||webado||3/26/12 10:08 PM|
Where do you see any value assigned to updowner?
If your site is overtaken by that piece of crapola, sorry to say ...
The top results are probably the same post-panda as pre-panda. It's some of the sneakier ones that spammed their way up to page 2 or even page 1 that get the chop post-panda.
For most of my searches I still see the same trusted sites I expect to see. Obviously it depends on what you search for. I probably hardly search for spam infested stuff to start with. For instance I have no need to search for payday loans or gambling.
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|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||StevieD_Web||3/26/12 10:24 PM|
I did a thorough check for updowner. You cited
as an important page on the updowner site. I assume that the page cited by you conficts someway with your own site.
using the exact query "accept credit cards on your website" Google produced 21 million results.
And then I went looking for the fist updowner mention that I could find.
On page 52 I found:
10 results per page, 520+ deep into the results. Yes, I suspect updowner is sucking a lot of traffic away from your site.
Oh, by the way, who but somebody like me looking for an exact match to a query would dig 52 pages into the results ?
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||Norm DePlume||3/26/12 11:10 PM|
I cited the credit card page as an example of a page that consists mostly of content lifted from other sites. And, not the "teaser" portion of the content, the whole page, in a scrolling div. None of the pages or searches mentioned are my sites or my client's sites. And, google indexes it, happily.
You are correct in that they aren't ranking for terms that drive revenue. They are ranking for more obscure stuff that combines terms from two or more sites that were scraped and landed on the same page. Using the same page (http://www.updowner.com/32/accept+credit+cards+on+your+website.html) as an example, updowner.com is on the first page for:
phpsupercart credit cards australia
Not high volume, but something a phpsupercart user in Australia might type.
It's an arbitrage strategy, and since the content creation is 100% automated, and Google eats it up, the ROI is there.
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||Norm DePlume||3/26/12 11:39 PM|
This isn't about my sites, or my client's sites. I realize many people come here seeking relief for their sites. That's not what I'm here for.
I don't happen to have any payday loan sites or gambling sites either.
Search for "dishwasher reviews" to see a good example of post-panda garbage. Again, don't have a site in this niche...this is a query I tried when I was shopping for dishwashers. Or try "mortgage calculator", another recent search query I tried.
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||Keefbeef||3/27/12 2:03 AM|
I sent a message to updowner via the contact form on their website asking them to take down the links to my site. They sent me a messag saying that all links have ben taken down. I have checked some samples from WMT and yes the links to my site have gone. I'll post any changes as and when, but hopefully that's that.
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||Norm DePlume||3/27/12 8:46 AM|
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||Lysis||3/27/12 10:17 AM|
YAY Graphs! Here's mine!
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||Norm DePlume||3/27/12 10:55 AM|
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||Lysis||3/27/12 11:02 AM|
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||travler||3/27/12 12:20 PM|
Oh you guys are getting GOOD! Shall we pass the hat or is this a no-cover comedy fest?
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|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||Norm DePlume||4/4/12 11:10 AM|
FYI, Google did finally drop out *some* of their indexed pages. Now, instead of 50+ million pages, there are about half that number...23 million.
And, for anyone that doubted that most of their traffic came from google, their traffic dropped by about half as well.
They are still getting roughly $15k worth of search engine driven traffic each month, but it's a small win...
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||Lzr||5/2/12 10:08 AM|
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||Updowner_Team||6/15/12 4:04 AM|
My name is Bart and I am member of Updowner.com Team.
I wanted to share with you the latest changes on updowner.com. It should
resolve some of yours doubtless and concerns.
We have noticed negative feedback regarding to some updowner.com features,
especially when dealing with linking to your domains.
Just to ensure everyone that we always respect your decision to have or not
your site in our ranking.
If you choose your site not to be accessible for updowner bot - please
block our robot in your robots.txt file. If you want to remove site from
updowner listings, you can get register and remove site by yourself or
alternative just mail us. Your site will be removed ASAP. All you need to
do that is described on http://www.updowner.com/faq#q7
Please remember that you can always send us the domain removal request from
We have also removed domain preview section from Updowner.com pages, but
you can still add your own description of your domain (HTML allowed) or
edit some of its details, the same way as it was before the update.
This should minimize the amount of links pointing to your domain, so
hopefully you will not receive any notices in in your GWT any more.
|Re: Google: Please do something about updowner.com||Norm DePlume||6/15/12 5:48 AM|
Well Bart, The solution is very simple. Stop scraping entire pages of people's websites and putting the content into scrollable divs. It's content theft.