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Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google?

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Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? tara gupta 3/8/14 12:21 PM
I've read the FAQs and searched the help center. 
I made some backlinks from forum profile and is naked url. will it hurt my ranking?

Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Cnut the Great 3/8/14 1:52 PM
Couldnt say for sure, but in general - if you have created forum profiles for the purposes of creating links to your site then you would probably be best to try and undo that work.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Lysis 3/8/14 1:56 PM
Yes, and no one likes forum profile spammers.

Your whole backlink profile is spam, so I'd say yes indeedy.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? tara gupta 3/10/14 1:13 AM
this backlinks is from GOV forums and do follow
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? dont_read_my_name 3/10/14 9:22 AM
Ahh .. Govt Do Follow LInks .. the biggest achievement from 90s SEO Standpoint .. :P

Hold on a second .. getting links from Govt site for an escort site? Seriously our country is going to dogs .. 


Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Lysis 3/10/14 9:37 AM
gov backlinks are srs bizness
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? tara gupta 3/10/14 10:04 AM
This is not impossible in SEO field, Many times i got pr9 backlinks for my website - today i won't tell you about my all website but -- i have 6 website that open on google first page.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? dont_read_my_name 3/10/14 10:08 AM
Yeah everything is possible in SEO these days  .. sigh :(
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? tara gupta 3/10/14 10:22 AM
I m very happy with penguin update 2.1 (Google's Hummingbird update- this made SEO field so hard for new SEO optimizer.
Great update - Thanks Matt Cutts . 
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? dont_read_my_name 3/10/14 10:25 AM
i am done .. waiting for the precise moment to commit suicide 
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Lysis 3/10/14 10:26 AM
Deb, I suggest LOLing or you'll just cry.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? maddy abc 4/24/14 1:53 AM
I've read the FAQs and searched the help center. 
I made some backlinks from forum profile and is naked url. will it hurt my ranking?
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? seo101 4/24/14 2:00 AM
hopefully it will
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Corruption Private 4/24/14 2:41 AM
Now, here is a problem with forum backlinks that some people fall foul of, without trying to boost their rankings.

Some PHP forums which are freely offered around ask for your website address when you join. They then provide a link between every single post you make and your website. Normally they have a small button on the left of the screen under your avatar labeled "Visit member's site" Sometimes that button has been removed but the link remains.

I suggest going to those sites and removing your site's URL from your member's details.
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Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Corruption Private 5/24/14 12:55 AM
@ جاي غابرييل
PR does not matter. If you are getting a lot of links from one site and they are doFollow, you will be hurt.
Since you seem unaware of basics of SEO in this matter despite claiming to have read up on this a lot, and make the same basic claim on essays you sell on your site, I would hope your rankings tank so low your site isn't found just for the sakes of your potential clients.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? JohnMu 5/24/14 2:35 AM
Just to be absolutely clear, if you are dropping links to your site in other people's forums in the hope of gaming search engines, then that's considered web-spam and can be taking into account by both our algorithms and our manual web-spam teams. It doesn't matter how much "PR" the other site has, it doesn't matter if it's a .gov forum -- what you're doing would be considered web-spam by us. 

If you care about how search engines like Google view your site, I'd recommend cleaning those link-drops up, removing the link to your site, and not doing that in the future. 

Cheers
John
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Shamir Islam 5/27/14 7:08 AM
But obviously if want to drive targeted traffic from the relevant forums in your niche - which I believe is a good strategy - you have to be active in such forums. And when you do that, you'll naturally get links pointing to your site, if not in forum signatures, then from quality forum posts that are not spam

What would you do about that? No-follow those links?
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Ben Griffiths 5/27/14 7:13 AM
@ Shamir

Yes, nofollow. They are not 'votes for your site' that Google wants to count, they are self-promotion.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Shamir Islam 5/27/14 7:46 AM
I guess we should become more and more careful about the links we control. 
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Ben Griffiths 5/27/14 7:49 AM
Paraphrasing someone, the only links that should count should be those you were not expecting
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Linda Buquet ~ 5/27/14 9:17 AM
John I really want to understand this better.

I own 2 forums and am active on many. I def get the forum spammers that are trying to game Google, that should not be allowed.

However I do legit posting on forums all over the place every day helping folks with Google Local issues. I have a sig and profile on all these forums. It's just common practice to do so. 

So are you saying no one should set up a profile or sig on forums? That legit posters also should delete their profile and sig links. 

That would almost be like posting anonymously and not giving folks a chance to see who you are, that you know what you are talking about and have a site related to the industry. Even here, the profile image is linked to your G+ page so folks can see who you are and what you do. 

How can the algo tell the difference between a forum link spammer or someone like me who is an active poster and has THOUSANDS of forum links, many of which are at my own forums?
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Lysis 5/27/14 10:28 AM
Nofollow.

If it's just for marketing traffic, then nofollow shouldn't be a problem.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Linda Buquet ~ 5/27/14 10:45 AM
But going back and finding all your forum links and changing them if you are very active is a pain. I don't care about the links but I also don't have time.

Plus does anyone know to no follow a BB code sig link? 

Does not seem fair if you are not a spammer and were linking for normal exposure at that community and not doing it for backlinks to be classified as a spammer and have to jump through hoops. 
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Linda Buquet ~ 5/27/14 11:16 AM
A comment just came up about this thread over at Webmaster World.

"If I found the right thread, the question was about profile links and JohnMu did not specify if he was talking about profile links, post link drops, or signature links. 

So when he said "Just to be absolutely clear ..." he wasn't clear at all."

And I wondered about that too. Did John specifically mean profile links only. Or sig links and content links too?

At my forum we are always citing news and tip articles and posts. Should everything be "no follow" to be safe now? 

Since I'm not posting links for SEO benefit. And am certainly am not purposely giving SEland and all the other places I constantly link out to, link juice on purpose - I just have not really paid that much attention to the whole "no follow" thing. I link to posts to share.

We have so many links flying in my forum - all news and tips - totally moderated and absolutely no self promotion allowed - so none are spammy. As it is I work 60 hours a week helping the industry for free at my forum. I simply don't have time to edit everyone's posts and be sure "no follow" is added to every link.  

I have tools that help my carpal pain by grabbing the post link and title I want to share. I don't know of a tool that will grab content links and add "no follow" automatically. So would be lots of extra work manually editing each link before I share it - that extra work would cut into the time I have to share. SO would reduce sharing. I think that's counter to what the web and social is about!

I'm paranoid now. Do I need to be sure every link on my forums, whether profile, sig or content is no follow?
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Jaan Kanellis 5/27/14 12:17 PM
John,

How does this affect the forum traffic/rankings if they don't nofollow forum signatures and other types of spammy posts?
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Linda Buquet ~ 5/27/14 12:37 PM
Ditto Jaan's question.

My main forum has every type of spam filter under the sun and is heavily moderated - so we never get spam. Plus I personally verify that everyone is 'real' and is in the industry. So I'm not too worried about junk profiles and bogus link drops. 

But we still have tons of valid, legit sig links, profile links and links to industry news. I've never done a lick of SEO for this forum but yet are #1 because it's the leader in the industry. I'd hate to have it unfairly penalized because an algo thinks legit links are spam just because it's an active forum. 

So I have my admin admin checking into forum mods or add-ons that will just "no follow" every type of legit link on the forum, just to be safe. But I'm a little scared about trying to mass change thousands of valid links if I don't have to.  :-(
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Ben Griffiths 5/27/14 12:43 PM
Linda,

Trust Google to weight the links accordingly. If you had people posting cheap Ugg boots every day, it'd be near zero, but sounds like that's not the case.

Technically links in forum sigs should be NOFOLLOW if the poster owns the site, but I personally would trust Google to be able to spot a sig and make a judgment about the value of a link in it.

Spammy outbound links = problem.
Significant part of your own backlink profile self-created = problem.
Ranking #1, as you put it = no problem 
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Jaan Kanellis 5/27/14 12:46 PM
Plus the main problem is scalability for super large forums like I manage.  We were hit last year during some Google updates, probably because of some thin content or forums thread that were short or irrelevant to the forum niche.  Forums usually cover a lot of topics and have "Lounges" for off topic discussions.  I feel Google has penalized some of those sooooo....what do we do as forum owners that are leaders in the industry and still get whacked?

Nofollow all signature links?  Noindex this thin or irrelevant content?  Just scaling these seemingly simple tasks can be a nightmare.


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Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? PollsGoneBuggy 5/27/14 12:54 PM
This is my concern with Google's position on forum link spam, and it's a very real concern that I'd love to have clarified further if you could, John.

By announcing that links dropped in forums are "bad" then those dropping links, often with software that does it automatically by the 100's, simply stop linking to themselves and start linking to their competition. Their goal is to outrank a competitor and if boosting their site doesn't work then the opposite does, which is dragging down their competitors.

What can a webmaster do if a competitor is spamming forums and creating profiles with links to your site instead of theirs, in hopes of getting Google angry with you?
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? George90522 5/27/14 1:04 PM
What about posts with URLs in linking to content on your site?

Is that also seen as spam, not profile spam, real replies from users about an article they've read + a link.

Thanks.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Shamir Islam 5/27/14 1:07 PM
I think those should be no-followed if possible.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? George90522 5/27/14 1:14 PM
Unfortunately, thats down to the forum not user who posts them.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Linda Buquet ~ 5/27/14 1:20 PM
Thanks Ben!

Forums are tricky. They are a haven for spammers and many are not well moderated so they can be a cesspool for sure. 

You brought up a problem I had never thought about before. "Significant part of your own backlink profile self-created = problem"

I don't do any link building. Don't even check my backlinks and have NO clue what my backlink profile even looks like. As an industry leader I assume I get a few natural links HOWEVER, the majority of my links are all going to be from forums because that's where I live and spend most of my time. So therefore it MAY look like most of my links are self created simply due to the way forum sigs work. I only add a sig one time but if I have 1,000 posts I'll have 1,000 links at that forum. If I'm active in 5 forums with that many posts, that's 5,000 self links per se and from forums which it appears Google has a problem with.

Guess I'll spend the weekend finding and no following all my sig links OR changing the URL to my G+ Profile instead of my site.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Jaan Kanellis 5/27/14 1:24 PM
George believe it or not keeping the forum user base happy is one of the most important things to a successful forum.  So every decision made needs to be thought through and actually communicated through the forum or you can wake up one day to a dead one.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Jaan Kanellis 5/27/14 1:30 PM
Linda if you feel you don't want a backlink to "count" in your link profile go the easier route and use the Google disavow tool:

https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/disavow-links-main

You really need to dig into the back link profile and make sure which sites you disavow though.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Linda Buquet ~ 5/27/14 2:36 PM
Thanks Jaan, I don't think I'd want to use the disavow tool from what I've read. I mean I would if there was a bad link I didn't have control over and could not change. 

One of my sites has tons of forum links everywhere, but that's a site from a previous life and I'm not even going to worry about that one. But my new main site, even though I post a ton, I don't think there are all that many forums to change def not that many I am currently active on, so it's doable. Except if there are ones that only allow a BBcode sig link. Need to figure out how to do no follow on BB code. 

If can't no follow I'll just replace my site link with my G+ profile instead. Let Google ding Google instead of dinging my site. ;-)
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Linda Buquet ~ 5/27/14 5:16 PM
I wanted to link out (haha) to a thoughtful thread at WebmasterWorld with good good comments. This is a great example of how people link out in forums to something relevant and useful and not trying to spam.

Here is a comment from over there I liked:

"Gotta say this strikes me as completely lame. Basically Google is saying they can't figure out what's spam and what's not spam, so they're going to consider them all as spam. 

Links are part of the culture of forums. It's not Google's place to try to change that culture. They need to put in the work to figure out what's legit and what's not."  

Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Linda Buquet ~ 5/28/14 8:41 AM
More great comments in that WebmasterWorld thread. Want to be sure Google sees them.

Again, is John saying ALL forum links are bad? Links in forums is how people share info. We linked from WMW here to this thread to discuss. I linked from here over to that thread to alert you to the comment. 

Brett Tabke called this "BS"

Incredibill said: 

"How does Google know if it's a link drop or a link to something else? 

If I posted "Go visit WebmasterWorld.com to get an answer to your question" somewhere is that a link drop that will now diminish WebmasterWorld?

Google has basically said don't post links in forums, period, or they will mess up the site you link.

Another way for people to negatively game the system using negative SEO against competitors." 
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Simon-Mc 5/28/14 9:54 AM
This is an interesting subject because there is a very real fear around all links now which of course is caused by Google but set up by the spammers. Where I see this going is that anyone who has any doubt whatsoever about their rankings will nofollow all their links as a precaution.  This is going to be a little like compound interest in respect that a snowball effect will soon come in to play and you then have an internet where every single good link is nofollowed. Warren Buffett could probably explain that effect better than me :)

Maybe this is the desired result from google?  I think it will happen because of the uncertainty around links. 
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Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Joeychgo 5/28/14 8:04 PM
So now to hurt my site all a competitor has to do is drop my link in a few forum sigs or profiles?

John, there are plenty of occasions where the links in forums at completely organic. I would hazard to say the vast majority.

I recently had a link listed as an example by the webspam team as unnatural.   (see post 20 HERE) - the link was and is completely organic. 

Many forum users are members of multiple forums, and use things like signature and profile links often. They link to conversations on other forums as well.

I link to my own sites in my signature on other forums.  Is that spam too?  Its not meant to be, its actually for the users of the site, not google.

I create platforms for a tremendous amount of great content to be created. (forums)  People link to that content on other forums because they think its good and authoritative. Isn't that what Google tells us to do?  Design and develop sites for users not Google?   Well, I've done just that, and now I have to worry about being penalized for it? All due respect John, maybe Google should start realizing that most website owners do just that.

Most forum owners I know today are very spam conscience, and do whatever they can to minimize spam activities.  I am one of them.   Forums should be revered by Google, because you have real people placing links to content on other sites. People who know little or nothing about SEO and Google penalties. That should be a strong measure of authority.  Matt Cutts himself could post a link to my site on his blog and it has absolutely zero authority IMO because my sites are unrelated to anything he does. But a link in a forum post where a user is telling other users that is where to find information they seek?  That should be a PR 10 in authority because that is exactly what the idea behind link popularity was originally envisioned as.

All do respect John, but Google really needs to re examine itself. While I understand the goal is to stop the scammers and spammers and seo black hats, your not always helping the real sites out there by some of the methods, your just hurting them IMO.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? sherrie_ 5/29/14 3:01 AM
I can understand signatures as I think these look spammy also and thus I never use put my url in a signature but what about your profile?

I own a forum (hobby site not a business) which has been around for 12 + years, a forum that I have been having a lot of trouble with the last couple of years since my rankings tanked. I have always been very strict on spam and I heavily moderate it. Despite that, I've done so many things to it to try to make it as SEO friendly as I can. All external links are set to no follow and I have profiles turned off to guess users. When I realised that despite this vbulletin software still do follow links in the home page field and that it can still be viewable by hovering over a persons avatar in their posts I ripped out that field from the code which is a shame because I don't consider that field spammy. There's many times I have visited a persons profile on other websites looking for their home page because they have said something interesting and I want to learn more about them. Of course I could change to a forum software that does no follow profile home page links aswell as other SEO features that vbulletin doesn't have and I want to but I am scared to do this also in fear I get tanked for that too! Having a forum these days is not fun anymore thanks to spammers!

But then there lies the question of posting on other forums. Most forums on the web still use vbulletin software and thus still do follow the homepage profile field. Does that mean we can no longer use this field? I only post on one other forum these days which is ironically a forum admin forum that I visit to help me in improving my forum for google! I have my link in the homepage field in my profile there which should be there because its highly relevant, we are forum admins and very interested in what each other does with their forums. I have mine in my profile because I don't wish to spam, I hate spam!

Being over 12 years old my forum url would be on a couple of forums that are well moderated that I posted in several years ago which are relevant to my forum niche, again just in the homepage field in my profile because I don't like to spam? both of these forums being old forums use vbulletin.

Does this mean relevant non spammy homepage links are now considered spam by google on well moderated forums because of other idiots spamming on other poorly moderated forums?


Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Jaan Kanellis 5/29/14 4:29 AM
I don't think these links are the only reason forums are suffering. I think it is because of the nature of forum as I explained above. Having unrelated and thin content is inherent to most all forums.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Sapper One 5/29/14 4:46 AM
After reading this thread, I'm even more confused now.

What John is saying contradicts what Google tells us to do, and that is get links from in niche sites to our sites.

Now if we do that, it is classed as spam, so do we really go around removing these links?

If so how does Google intend ranking a site, purely on it's content algo's, if that's the case, then it isn't working, in my niche a lot of the forums at the top of the tree haven't been updated in two years !

I'm beginning to think Google is one big mess, and no-one knows exactly how anything works.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Ben Griffiths 5/29/14 4:57 AM
After reading this thread, I'm even more confused now.

Why do you think all the regulars left long ago?


Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Sapper One 5/29/14 5:16 AM
I think the Google "experts" have caught the helpline disease of  "not answering the question asked"

Which leaves me thinking, should I "disallow" Google bots in my Robots.txt

Google are obviously now a purely for profit organisation which is trying to police the net with the rules it makes up.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Ben Griffiths 5/29/14 5:23 AM
They're policing their SERPs with rules they make up, yes. 

I think the Google "experts" have caught the helpline disease of  "not answering the question asked"

Google employee John Mueller said;

Just to be absolutely clear, if you are dropping links to your site in other people's forums in the hope of gaming search engines, then that's considered web-spam

..and everyone jumped totally off the deep end and started reacting to their own interpretations of the above. The "experts" decided that John was in fact being absolutely clear.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? webado 5/29/14 5:30 AM
Seems to be a no-brainer.

Either ensure the forum  nofollows ALL outgoing links - whether they appear in posts, in signatures or in profiles - or don't post your links there.

In forum posts urls don't get automatically turned into hyperlinks unless they have no http:// or www in front or unless you specifically use the markup for a hyperlink. They usually remain as text.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Sapper One 5/29/14 5:34 AM


For an SEO noob like me, it would be good to know what he means EXACTLY, by dropping links, if he means signature links are considered spam by Google both automatically and manually, then it has serious implications in the forum world in the aspect of "negative SEO", it would mean that you have keep a wary eye on all the backlinks being created for your site.
If however backlinks in posts and other content are NOT considered spam, then a bit of cleaning up has to be done.

To me as a noob, he seems to be contradicting what Google has been telling us to do by the way of relevant linking and link building
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? webado 5/29/14 5:40 AM

There's no such thing as  relevant link building.

Any link building is spam. Period. 






Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Ben Griffiths 5/29/14 5:41 AM
Allow me to adjust the emphasis once again;

Just to be absolutely clear, if you are dropping links to your site in other people's forums in the hope of gaming search engines, then that's considered web-spam

 
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Sapper One 5/29/14 6:01 AM
I know this is a year old, but Matt seems to be contradicting what John is saying


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ws83x5Vz0A

And this is the cure for the risk of negative seo if John is right !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWJUU-g5U_I
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Norm DePlume 5/29/14 9:14 PM
Curious how Google's algorithm determines who posted the link, and whether they did it "in the hope of gaming search engines".   I get you have smart people working there, but the idea that you can reliably divine identity and intent is silly.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? StevieD_Web 5/29/14 10:04 PM
>but the idea that you can reliably divine identity and intent is silly.

Not at all.   Even dense ole me using nothing more than the 10 lb lump attached to my shoulders has been able to determine patterns of behavior/intent involving sites that I have reviewed.   Does that mean I can find all patterns?  Absolutely not.    Does that mean I can decipher this bad link from that good link with absolute precision?   Absolutely not.

What it does mean is that I have found obvious patterns, and if I can find the pattern then so can Google.


Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Norm DePlume 5/30/14 5:05 AM
>Not at all.   Even dense ole me using nothing more than the 10 lb lump attached to my shoulders has been able to determine patterns of behavior/intent involving sites that I have reviewed. 

That 10lb lump is vastly more capable than any algorithm, and I could use my 10lb lump to create a false pattern that yours might believe.  

Assigning penalties based on who placed a link, and why they placed a link is a rabbit hole.  And I'm not just talking about negative seo.  Content scrapers present a similar issue, as do more mundane problems, like a typo.   I have a fair amount of links from a competitor, with a very similar domain name, that forgets he doesn't own the .com often.


Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Sapper One 5/30/14 5:27 AM
So if I am trying to build links, and get backlinks from other football forums, blogs and websites, that would be a pattern, which as you infer would be flagged as spam, but they are all organic, placed with the permission of the owner, and contain different anchor text.

Everything I read in this thread, seems to contradict what someone else says, I think the truth is that no-one knows, and that includes the so called guru's who design these algorithms.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Ben Griffiths 5/30/14 5:30 AM
If you are trying to build links then you are hoping to game the search engines! If you are doing it for traffic, use NOFOLLOW. If NOFOLLOW is not an option then discretion is the better part of valour and you should reconsider dropping that link.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? webado 5/30/14 5:32 AM
They are only organic if you didn't place them yourself and didn't arrange for them to be placed, regardless of permission.

Besides when a link is found on a site it is assumed it's there with the owner's permission. Even if placed by a hacker, it's still the owner's responsibility to keep his site clean, secure and not allow anything out of his control.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Lysis 5/30/14 5:50 AM
you spin me right round baby
right round like a record player
right round right round
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? StevieD_Web 5/30/14 11:15 AM
>That 10lb lump is vastly more capable than any algorithm, and I could use my 10lb lump to create a false pattern that yours might believe. 

Yes you could.  I am a pretty simple person and easily confused.  More so I lack complete information.   And so do you.

Have you ever thought that Google has penetrated this link building network, purchased the link building networks' customer data or maybe network owners have divulged their client lists in order to keep their own sites ranking.  Or maybe Google plays dirty and sets up their own decoy networks.

I can find behavior patterns.  Having the other information confirms the pattern.  And we lack the other information.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? StevieD_Web 5/30/14 11:16 AM
> placed with the permission of the owner,

Placed with the permission of the owner is not the same as being placed BY the owner.   
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Norm DePlume 5/30/14 1:54 PM
>Have you ever thought that Google has penetrated this link building network, purchased the link building networks' customer 
>data or maybe network owners have divulged their client lists in order to keep their own sites ranking.  Or maybe Google plays >dirty and sets up their own decoy networks.
 
Right.  None of which negates what I said earlier.  Negative SEO practitioners certainly buy links for sites they don't own, without the owners permission.  Self-spammers certainly mix it up and link to other "authority" sites within their spammy posts...of course without the "authority sites" permission.  Typos happen, sometimes on a grand scale.  Blog networks sometimes fill out their link farms with scraped content (with links inside) than end up pointing to innocent sites.

And, of course, the blackhats are wise to this crap now.   They carpet bomb whole niches now.



Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Norm DePlume 5/30/14 1:55 PM
>you spin me right round baby
>right round like a record player
>right round right round

pot. kettle. black.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? sherrie_ 5/30/14 5:04 PM
I have so many of those type of links pointing to my site all the time, whether it's scrapers or negative seo I have no idea but I'm constantly getting them and going through them all and my disavow file all the time is a real pain and taking the enjoyment out of running a non business informational support site that is good and over twelve years in value (the first of it's kind in Australia). I am one of those "mums and dads" website owners that Matt Cutts talks about that should not have to worry about this but obviously I do because some of my main keywords have tanked for 1-2 years now. Being a support community on something that is often short term as people struggle with motivation, new posting members is what keeps it going and keeps everyone motivated. Whilst new sites that use Seo tricks rank high.

Why instead of punishing the links the scraper/negative seo sites link to, they instead punish the websites that have these links? It's not fair that I have to go through all this hassle constantly because of other peoples websites when I keep my own website and forum clean, free of spam and up to date, all external links on my forum are set to no follow just in case anything slips past me. Why can't google just let me worry about looking after my own website such as the server, content, design etc instead of cleaning up other peoples mess. Being a non business/profit type of website this means I have to do and learn everything myself to keep up to date with the changing technologies and standards. Heck now I seem to be being forced to worry about social media and have accounts in all these, why? Why can't I just worry about my own site and people linking organically like I used to? Why do I have to have say a Facebook page with so many likes to be considered authoritive? Anyone can fake likes and they do! It's stupid.

Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? webado 5/30/14 5:18 PM
>>Why instead of punishing the links the scraper/negative seo sites link to, they instead punish the websites that have these links?

They also get punished, no worries. They get punished for spam.

If you have never built a link then you have nothing to worry about.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? webado 5/30/14 5:19 PM
>>Why do I have to have say a Facebook page with so many likes to be considered authoritive?
You don't have to have that and if you do it doesn't count for anything as far as Google is concerned.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? sherrie_ 5/30/14 6:00 PM
But wouldn't it be better to simply place no value either way on those links and punish the website that contains the spam? It totally takes away the incentive for negative seo and scrapers and gives webmasters the incentive to keep their websites clean. For those that are simply dead and no longer being administered then they will go down in rankings like they should.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? webado 5/30/14 6:17 PM
No because then unscrupulous people would engage in building links even more and enjoy a bit of a boost until they are discovered and then feel quite safe knowing the garbage will simply be ignored.

Since so-called  negative SEO attempts simply do not work as intended, you need not even worry about it.


Worry about following all guidelines in respect to linking practices (in short DO NOT BUILD ANY LINKS BY ANY MEANS).



Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? sherrie_ 5/31/14 1:42 AM
I don't build links on forums *shrug*

What if you had a facebook page and you shared your articles or recipes there not to "game" search engines but as another way to reach people? I have no idea how you could no follow as that's not in our control?

Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? webado 5/31/14 5:44 AM
Links from Facebook, Twitter, etc are automatically nofollowed so they aren't any problem.

When I say building links I mean through forum posts (in the posts, signatures, profiles), blog posts (as guest blogger or in comments), blog networks, press releases, article marketing,  link exchanging, link buying,  and any and all ways of having followed links.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? sherrie_ 5/31/14 5:35 PM
I don't do that besides putting my URL under homepage in the profile on a couple of websites which I have removed except one. I have asked the one that remains if they will use no follow. Buts it's a shame I have to do that because IMO the homepage field in your profile is not spam or used to game search engines, the whole point of it really is so you don't have to spam your link, if someone asks where your site is you can just say, it's in my profile.

What about when you have a popular page that random people like to put in their sidebar on their blogs? I have a couple of research pages that are popular and are often linked like this. Am I meant to disavow those too?

Thank you for answering :)

Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Permai Lindal 5/31/14 6:33 PM
I was not aware of this tricky situation which hurts google ranking.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Giovanni Sacheli 6/12/14 4:58 PM
if u have a website, don't say it around or u could be penalized... keep it secret for its safety^^
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? webado 6/12/14 5:08 PM
Penalized for mentioning his website in this forum in order to get help with it? No, not for that.

If it's penalized it will only be because it deserves to be penalized. 

Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Corruption Private 6/12/14 8:08 PM
There was talk about Google wanting people to get relevant links to their sites, but punishing them for making the links.
Here is the solution:
Make a few ad or backlinks using rel="noFollow" and use them to spread the word of the site. That's all you need to do to sort that problem out. If other people make links to your site, then you are not breaking Google's rules.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Willy Gibson 6/13/14 9:19 PM
I don't see why it would ranking or punished by Google.  it is still consider legit backlink.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? webado 6/13/14 9:28 PM
There is  nothing legit for you creating your own followed backlink. It's only legit if it's nofollowed.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Guam Network 6/14/14 5:14 PM
any dofollow links are better than nofollow ones in my opinion.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? webado 6/14/14 5:26 PM
Ok nobody's reading anything here.

Enjoy your penalties.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Lysis 6/14/14 5:34 PM
lol
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Webby Peter 6/16/14 2:06 PM
It should hurts Google ranking at all.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Cellulars Factory 6/16/14 2:39 PM
I agree with you Webby.  There should be no affect.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Webby Peter 6/17/14 12:06 PM
Thanks for the answers everyone.  I am overwhelmed by this community.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Rite Cellulars 6/29/14 6:27 PM
This is true, condering the risk or getting banned.
This message has been hidden because it was flagged for abuse.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? tara gupta 7/4/14 9:07 AM
Than why don't you tell us!! what should we do to come one first page of google...? we should leave making backlinks for our site? if everything spam than.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? webado 7/4/14 9:16 AM
Make a great website with great, original and unique content that is well written, with good grammar and spelling in your own language,  that people would want to visit.

Do not build backlinks. Do not spam anywhere.


Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Webby Peter 7/10/14 10:35 AM
So if I am trying to build links and get backlinks from other football forums, blogs and websites, that would be a pattern, which as you infer would be flagged as spam, but they are all organic, what gives?
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? webado 7/10/14 1:46 PM
If you build them they are not organic..
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? luzie 7/10/14 5:03 PM
>>> but they are all organic, what gives?

You urgently need to revise your concept of what "organic" is. What you describe is not "organic", it's arranged.

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Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Iman Bahrani 8/16/14 8:20 AM
just to be clear are we talking about forum profiles or backlinks from actual posts/threads? In our niche we have hackerbot.net dominating 1st page of Google and over 99% of their links are from forums.

Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? StevieD_Web 8/16/14 11:22 AM
Let me guess, you are trying to get permission to copy the strategy of another website?.   Would you be asking for permission if the site used black text on black background?
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? HiringMangerPP23 8/17/14 6:07 AM
Seems like he is using forum images to hide his backlink profile

The titles of the backlinks and URLs of source and target pages

Minecraft Thread
Source URL: http://bszforum.foroactivo.com/t308-minecraft-thread
Target URL: http://hackerbot.net/pc/minecraft-mc
         
12
47
9 Dec 2013        17 Dec 2013
gamrConnect Forums - the semi official VGChartz Minecraft thread
Source URL: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=117157&page=15...
Target URL: http://hackerbot.net/pc/minecraft-mc
Minecraft Hell Dimension
126
95
8 Feb 2014        8 Feb 2014
This Makes Me Feel Silly - ComputerCraft | Programmable Computers for Minecraft
Source URL: http://www.computercraft.info/forums2/index.php?/topic/15415...
Target URL: http://hackerbot.net/pc/minecraft-mc
Posted Image
1
125
11 Feb 2014        11 Feb 2014
[Forum] Adding a Screenshot to a Thread - ComputerCraft | Programmable Computers for Minecraft
Source URL: http://www.computercraft.info/forums2/index.php?/topic/12361...
Target URL: http://hackerbot.net/pc/minecraft-mc
Posted Image
1
71
19 Jan 2014        19 Jan 2014
Recent Posts
Source URL: http://www.swcity.net/yabbse/index.php?action=recent
Target URL: http://hackerbot.net/pc/minecraft-mc
         
12
62
11 Dec 2013        7 Feb 2014
Official SW Minecraft Thread
Source URL: http://www.swcity.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=8804.0
Target URL: http://hackerbot.net/pc/minecraft-mc
         
20
117
22 Jan 2014        7 Feb 2014
AMUUUURRRRIKAAAAAA
Source URL: http://forum.nxs-gaming.com/index.php?topic=807.msg7819
Target URL: http://hackerbot.net/pc/minecraft-mc
         
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77
9 Dec 2013        9 Dec 2013
Official SW Minecraft Thread
Source URL: http://www.swcity.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=8804.msg117537
Target URL: http://hackerbot.net/pc/minecraft-mc
         
20
117
22 Jan 2014        7 Feb 2014
Official SW Minecraft Thread
Source URL: http://www.swcity.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=8804.msg118340
Target URL: http://hackerbot.net/pc/minecraft-mc
         
20
117
22 Jan 2014        11 Feb 2014
Official SW Minecraft Thread
Source URL: http://www.swcity.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=8804.msg116715
Target URL: http://hackerbot.net/pc/minecraft-mc
         
20
117
12 Feb 2014        12 Feb 2014
Official SW Minecraft Thread
Source URL: http://www.swcity.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=8804.msg118338
Target URL: http://hackerbot.net/pc/minecraft-mc
         
20
117
22 Jan 2014        7 Feb 2014
Official SW Minecraft Thread
Source URL: http://www.swcity.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=8804.msg116748
Target URL: http://hackerbot.net/pc/minecraft-mc
         
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12 Feb 2014        12 Feb 2014

Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Iman Bahrani 8/18/14 8:04 PM
So is this considered black hat SEO?
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Jens Pacholsky 9/8/14 6:02 AM
Just wondering about this rule. How does it apply to communities like LinkedIn or Xing where link dropping is basically the backbone / only purpose of those communities?
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Lysis 9/8/14 2:00 PM
Didn't Xing get penalized? Or am I thinking of the wrong site? If they got manually penalized, you can probably consider the links worthless.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? webado 9/8/14 7:52 PM
I think outgoing links from Linkedin are cloaked prior to redirection so there's no referrer for them.
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Jens Pacholsky 9/9/14 2:34 AM
Could you please explain, what this means? How are they cloaking it?
Re: Is Forum profile backlinks hurt ranking on google? Jens Pacholsky 9/9/14 2:36 AM
Couldn't find anything on Xing being penalized by Google.
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