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This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc?

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This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 7/10/11 8:08 PM
This is General Manager from co.cc.
I tried to contact to General Manager of Google but I haven’t got any reply from him. Therefore, I post my message in here to ask you forward this to him.
 
I know the reason that Google deindex to co.cc because it has high ration of malicious sites and low quality sites. However, I don’t think it is right decision that Google just block the whole domain which has 10 millions co.cc sites and 200millions webpages without any notice to us.

Within total co.cc sites, the fraction of malicious sites is not over 0.01%. We have block malicious domains that we got this information from many major vaccine companies including Trend Micro and Symantect since 2010. And also, according to Spamhaus advices, if there is any new domain set, we are checking whether the server IP is not list to Spamhaus Block List. In addition, once we get malicious domains information from major vaccine companies every day, we are promptly doing Shinkhole.
With these kinds of serious monitoring and taking prompt actions, the ratio of operating malicious domains have been not over 0.01%.

We have no right to force internet users making high quality web pages. It is obviously to overstep our authority. Each internet user has their own right to make their website and it is their ability to do so.    

As you know, xxx.blogspot.com and facebook.com/xxx have about 70%~80% that have been just setting there without any caring. On the other words, those are actually low-quality sites.
I have a question to you. “Can you deindex those *.blogspot.com and facebook.com/* sites? Your Google-robot is already smart enough, so those low-quality sites are rarely exposure due to falling into behind of dominant searches. If necessary, you might need to make more smart Google robot.
 
In addition, there isn't any notice that “if goole Apps and blogger.com
Users set cutomdomain to use co.cc, they will get any disadvantages.” You should know that there are thousands users for the apps, blogger and google-sites are using co.cc domain as their custom domains.  

Moreover, you have never noticed to those users that they will get any disadvantages if they use .co.cc(SLD). Nevertheless, it is no right thing to deindex all those sites.

We always supply our all domains information and zone files to vaccine company if request. Whenever they request to us, we are always to prepare for it. We will accept any difficult request from you and we even take serious positive consideration if we need to sell co.cc.

If we take much longer time, thousands users will have more loss from it.
We and you all know that someone should take responsibility for their losses which cannot take it back.
 
We are looking forward to hearing your reply soon.

Sincerely,

James kim
legal@co.cc
phone number: +82319196171
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Lysis 7/10/11 8:44 PM
> Within total co.cc sites, the fraction of malicious sites is not over 0.01%

You pulled that value out of your butt. 95% of the crap spam for porn, illegal downloads, online pharmacy crap and malicious content is stupid spam links to a co.cc domain. I now block all email addresses to that domain to lower my spam count, so I don't have child porn sites posted on my forum.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Daytrader 7/10/11 8:49 PM
all you need to do is delete 99.09% of the sites in your domain and you should be good to go.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? StevieD_Web 7/10/11 9:32 PM
99.09%
 
Really?
 
Personally I have yet to find one, so are any the 10 million subdomains on that site worthy of being in the Google index? 
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 7/10/11 10:46 PM
Could Lysis please look at..

Do you have any proof data for your claims?
I think if you are a professional, you shouldn’t claim without any proof data.

As we offer our all domain lists and zone files to Trend Micro and Symantec, if you are a internet security company same as Trend Micro and Symantec, we can also offer all domain lists and zone files to you.

And then, you will see you were wrong but I was right.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? test3243234243 7/10/11 11:37 PM
JamesKim,

If you're a true professional, you wouldn't say things like "I think if you are a professional, you shouldn’t claim without any proof data." or "And then, you will see you were wrong but I was right."

Just saying
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? StevieD_Web 7/10/11 11:38 PM
The porn, illegal downloads, online pharmacy crap that Lysis spoke of is not screened by Trend and Symantec as they only screen for malware.
 
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? gbint 7/10/11 11:42 PM
James,
   from Google's point of view, you are just another subdomain, responsible for content on your subdomains too. If you want to be included in Google index, follow webmaster guidelines , remove duplicate content, avoid linking to bad websites (is this your case?), send request for reconsideration and ...... wait a few weeks/months (as we did too http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Webmasters/thread?tid=74f841aa26aaa590&hl=en). If you allow your users to create websites under your domain, you are still responsible for their content. I personally do not know your project, but I think that co.cc is not the TLD domain, so you are at the same level as others.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? ZeroCool2u 7/11/11 12:56 AM
Dear Mr. Kim,

On behalf of the Internets, I must regretfully inform you to
GTFO
and take your
FAIL
with you.

Sincerely,

Google
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 7/11/11 1:44 AM
>StevieD_Web

Since the regulations for Porn contents in Korea are much restrict than US,
we block those Porn contents more seriously than Google in U.S.

Moreover, Google is officially accepting those Prono contents. http://www.blogger.com/content.g


To block out child prono distribute, we also have cooperated with FBI. And also, we refer to Spamhaus Block List to Shinkhole for online pharmacy sites and illegal downloads servers. In addition, we get whole general information from not only malware site but also porn, illegal downloads, online pharmacy sites by Trend micro.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? gbint 7/11/11 1:55 AM
James, if you have almost no illegal websites under your domain, what do you think is the reason of removing your domain from SERP?
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Znuff 7/11/11 2:42 AM
Dear Mr. Kim:

Please see screenshot bellow.

http://i.imgur.com/J3Xuh.jpg
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 7/11/11 3:08 AM
>gbint:
If a user in Google webmaster tool verifies ownership, the user can get approval for sub-domain as a separate domain from root-domain.
And also, same as Google apps or Blogger, if a user verifies ownership, the user can use sub-domain as custom-domain. Therefore,
Hundreds of thousands users have registered in webmaster tool, Google apps and others.

The most important thing is there is no any notice from Google that there are some disadvantages if the user use sub-domain.
Even though a normal site was complying with webmaster-guidelines, the site was also deindex.
 

>ZeroCool2u:
what to do for internet? Do you think it is right to deindex for 10 millions sites and 200 millions websites without any explanation of reasons and notifications? Is it right way to do for internet making suffer to hundreds of thousands users?  

>gbint:
We would like to get answers from Google.
Since co.cc is free domain, we often get misunderstood that malicious sites ratio might be high.
However, few thousands of 10 millions sites and few ten thousand of 200 millions websites have absolute not much fraction.
On the other hand, there are 99.9% for legitimate website.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Pam T 7/11/11 5:40 AM
I think an important clue here is that your 10 Million sites vanished and no one cared.  There was no outrage on Twitter or Facebook or in fact, an outpouring of sympathy anywhere on the net. 

Not trying to be mean or disrespectful here, but EVERYONE I have read or talked to about this (100%) are Happy and Delighted about this ban -- and they are praying that Google never reverses it's decision**.

**the sole exception being yourself and people with sub-sites on your domain, of course.


Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? funman 7/11/11 5:49 AM
As you are not a TLD, but a SLD, it is your responsibility to inform your customers that they are all considered under the domain co.cc, should something happen to this domain, they will all lose their sites. This is the case with any SLD, and not Google nor any other service on the internet are obligated to inform YOUR customers of anything at all, as you should be informing them of this upon their registration.

Other then that, I must say that I agree with the other posters here, spam content on my sites did drop dramatically after I my self started actively filtering anything ending in .co.cc, and I am certain that if you ask people at lets say Akismet, they would tell you a different story in relation to spam then Norton or Trend does.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Al JR 7/11/11 6:02 AM
I find it amusing that you're liasing with the FBI, but still can't get a contact address for Google..
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 7/11/11 6:42 AM
Hi James Kim,

to sell subdomains claiming:

     ".co.cc free domain name works exactly like a .com"

has proven to be quite deceptive.

You say:


>>> The most important thing is there is no any notice
>>> from Google that there are some disadvantages
>>> if the user use sub-domain
.

Come on, you knew well about the dangers of a single domain possibly being delisted in search engines as a whole in case of guideline infringements, so why didn't YOU warn your customers, or at least, why didn't you sell subdomains, as would have been honest, instead of "domains" - which was plain wrong?

-luzie-
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Steven Lockey 7/11/11 7:11 AM
>Within total co.cc sites, the fraction of malicious sites is not over 0.01%

Maybe if the only thing you class as malicious are sites with viruses on them. The vast majority of these sites are spam, keyword packed, dodgy or phishing websites. Its not in the minority.

>I think if you are a professional, you shouldn’t claim without any proof data.

Sounds like the facts you posted.


>As we offer our all domain lists and zone files to Trend Micro and Symantec, if you are a internet security company same as Trend Micro and Symantec, we can also offer all domain lists and zone files to you.

No-one said viruses on websites or infection vectors were the reason the domain was removed. So not relevant.


>As you know, xxx.blogspot.com and facebook.com/xxx have about 70%~80% that have been just setting there without any caring. On the other words, those are actually low-quality sites.

Forgotten? Perhaps
Old? Yes in a lot of cases
Useful? Sometimes actually. Just because its old doesn't mean its always useless.


>If we take much longer time, thousands users will have more loss from it.
>We and you all know that someone should take responsibility for their losses which cannot take it back.

So, if I make donations of $100 a day to a charity, then I lose my job, I still obliged to pay the $100 a day because they are used to getting it?
Stupidest argument here, if they choose to make their source of income from a FREE source which they know (if they have done any research at all) could disappear in moments, that is their own problem not Google's.

They can always get their money back!! All £0.00 of it! Well except the money they gave you because I bet YOU aren't offering refunds are you!

Try addressing the REAL programs with the domain, the fact its domainated by people engaging in immoral and unscrupulous practices to make money and perform illegal activities. When the copyright offences, phishing sites and other crap is removed from the domain it will come back to Google.
Until then, enjoy your spammy domain, well until Bing decide to block it as well.

Oh and lying to your customers and expecting Google to do YOUR job of letting them know that YOU got them banned is also very unprofessional.

Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? KORPG Kevin 7/11/11 7:20 AM
> We and you all know that someone should take responsibility for their losses which cannot take it back.

As the domain name holder, wouldn't that be your responsibility?
Since technically it was your business practices that were the primary causes leading to their removal from the search results?

Just asking...
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? KORPG Kevin 7/11/11 7:30 AM
Also, why not, if you believe your sub-domains are all pristine and you've resolved the issues that got your domain de-listed, simply apply for a reconsideration like all the other domain owners? I'm fairly certain that's the process needed to move this issue forward, and I'm very certain Google will be happy to have a look at your domain and determine if it meets their guidelines.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? iNET SEO 7/11/11 7:47 AM
Good riddance to bad rubbish tbh - when I have reported malicious sites in the past no-one there gave a crap. Now the s**t has hit the fan for you, you deice to try and say you do something about it? Rubbish!

Good bye to all those cr@p sites you let get registered and let remain live!
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? nycwebmaster 7/11/11 7:50 AM
James Kim,

It is my sincere hope that the wayback machine, bing, yahoo, ask and AOL follow suit and de-index co.cc, THE MOST SPAMMED, worthless domain on the Interwebs...

and my heartfelt thanks goes out to Google for this bold action!
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Pelagic 7/11/11 8:25 AM
 
Hi James, notwithstanding all the low quality spam sites that you have on your domain, I will highlight the phishing activities on it and will refer to this report from ICANN's Anti-Phishing Working Group
 
• If we counted these unique subdomains as “regular” domain names, they would represent 22% of all domains used for phishing.

40% of phishing subdomains were on CO.CC
 
 
 
By removing just one 2L domain, Google have removed a quarter of all those phishing sites !  Thats a significant figure and Google should be applauded for doing so ;)
 
As Luzie explained, your apparent business model is based on deceit to legitimate customers who are nieve enough to pay for such a service. Hopefully your company will apologise and compensate them for any consequential losses that they may incur.
 
I will go further and question whether .co.cc is actually in cahoots with the Avalanche group ?
 
 
 
 
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? StevieD_Web 7/11/11 10:12 AM
If I had been caught by Google doing wrong, I would be refunding the money collected from my clients.
 
Here is a chance for co.cc to step and do the responsible thing and refund all the money collected.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 7/11/11 6:23 PM
>>luzie =============================
I think you might misunderstand what I want to say.
Please look at term of service in the blogspot and google Apps.
There is no article mentioning if the user use SLD domain for their customdomain, it is risky. Nevertheless, hundreds of thousands blogspot and google-site that users use co.cc domain with their customdomain were de-indexed.
It is not make any sense or illegal thing to do.
** I think you made hasty judgment to choose Mr. Pelagic’s reply as “ Best answer”  


>>Pelagic ============================
"40% of phishing subdomains were on CO.CC" means similar to 40% of phishing TLD were on .com"
What do you think how many percentage will take sub-domains of .co.cc within sub-domains in the world? 70%? 80%?
If we consider this percentage, 40% is not big portion.
The most common using domain should have the many malicious domains --- That’s just logic.  

In addition, the data was in 2010 and not it’s 2011.
We had already Shinkhole to tens of thousands of malicious domains that we got from Trend Micro and Symantec at the end of 2010.
Since then, once we get suspicious malware lists from many internet security companies, we keep blocking those sites.

Moreover, Google's anti-malware team supplied about 6000 suspicious malware lists to us in October 2010.

Therefore, we are sure that there is no highlight for co.cc in 2011 reports.

As you said, "Google should be applauded for doing so"
but this is not applauded for doing that co.cc was de-indexed.
I only think that they want to the simplest way they can do “right now".
Malicious codes producer are not go away although Google de-indexed co.cc.
They can use another domain which does not contain any minimum filtering system.

In my opinion, the best solution is Google can cooperate with internet security companies and sub-domain companies to share malicious domain lists and malware codes information and to maintain prompt Shinkhole those malicious domains.

I believe many internet security companies will agree with me.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? kernc 7/11/11 10:31 PM
Everybody, just FYI, there's countless co.cc subdomains worthy of inclusion in Google's index (or/and worthy of a true domain). Here's one:
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? StevieD_Web 7/11/11 11:04 PM
@kernc
 
That poor quality, offensive site is worthy of inclusion?
 
Here is a hint:  I was not impressed by the anti- IE message playing when I visited the front page of the site.
 
 
 
 
 
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 7/11/11 11:58 PM
The very first (and consequently only) link I clicked on gave me an error-not-found ... to call that high quality is a bit far fetched :D

(http://blog.clrhome.co.cc/2010/12/survey-at-least-76-of-us-high-schools.html)

-luzie-
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 7/12/11 12:40 AM
The users do not have any liability to make a quality site.
Since Google robot is too powerful, it collect not only low quality sites but also personal information and credit information.
As I mentioned before, blogspot, facebook and wordpress have 70~80% of low quality web pages.
Does Google can deindex those?
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 7/12/11 12:48 AM
Are you trying to spread yet another inaccuracy to obfuscate things?

>>> There is no article mentioning if the user use SLD
>>> domain for their customdomain, it is risky.


Why? What you describe is users that have own second level domains (SLDs), hosting content on Blogspot. That's not risky, and even if Blogspot got banned, the independent SLDs would stay indexed.

>>> Nevertheless, hundreds of thousands blogspot
>>> and google-site that users use co.cc domain with
>>> their customdomain were de-indexed.


No, no, it's exactly the other way around with co*cc, people host their content elsewhere but use a co*cc subdomain as their URL. It's exactly the opposite thing of what custom domains hosting content on Blogspot do!

-luzie-
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Steven Lockey 7/12/11 1:46 AM
>>** I think you made hasty judgment to choose Mr. Pelagic’s reply as “ Best answer”

Why? Because you don't like the facts?

>>What do you think how many percentage will take sub-domains of .co.cc within sub-domains in the world? 70%? 80%?
If we consider this percentage, 40% is not big portion.

approx 50%, so yes, its a VERY VERY big portion..... seriously 22% of the world's phishing sites...... Thats a much much higher ration than average.

>>We had already Shinkhole to tens of thousands of malicious domains that we got from Trend Micro and Symantec at the end of 2010.
Since then, once we get suspicious malware lists from many internet security companies, we keep blocking those sites.

And back to talking about viruses again... we aren't talking about Malware....

>>
In my opinion, the best solution is Google can cooperate with internet security companies and sub-domain companies to share malicious domain lists and malware codes information and to maintain prompt Shinkhole those malicious domains.

They did, hence .co.cc been blocked, been about the most malicious TLD about, got blocked.


>Since Google robot is too powerful, it collect not only low quality sites but also personal information and credit information.

[sarcasm]Honest! It can read your mind if you aren't wearing a tinfoil hat as well!!! [/sarcasm]

Seriously, at least try to leave out the blatant lies, your case was thin enough already before you made it even worse.

Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 7/12/11 1:49 AM
>>luzie===========================
 
Which one is most valuable to you whether your mobile phone or your mobile phone number?
After the domains change, it takes too much longer time to be index in the Google for those domains.
You should know that the blogspot which is using co.cc as custom-domain has incredibly reduced its visitors.  
In addition, if the user changes to another domain as custom-domain, they might lose their traffic coming from another search engine (yahoo,msn..)
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? kernc 7/12/11 1:58 AM
@StevieD_Web, @luzie :

wtf? how shamefully biased can you be?!
first of all, the blog post loaded just minutes ago, but the poor owner is likely exceeding free host's bandwidth allowance. :-D
moreover, it's a personal site about Texas Instruments calculators with several homemade programs and games!
and while using JS extensively, the site is fully accessible (in w3m or lynx, for example).
if that's not worth indexing, I don't know what is, but I know of countless .com sites of much poorer quality and with completely worthless content!
tldr; gfy, kxbai
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? kernc 7/12/11 2:03 AM
omg, I almost forgot,,,,

IE can suck my shiny metal cock!
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 7/12/11 2:29 AM
>>Steven Lockey ==========================

Could you please visit to http://www.phishtank.com to check how many .co.cc subdomain do they have?

Could you please calculate how many percentage of co.cc subdomain?

And also, please the co.cc subdomain to check it is really phishing site?

I am not a liar.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Steven Lockey 7/12/11 2:54 AM
LOL!

>>>Since Google robot is too powerful, it collect not only low quality sites but also personal information and credit information.

Please provide evidence to support this then. Because its a lie. The only information the bot collects is publically posted info. If you don't post it in the public domain then the bot doesn't collect it.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? funman 7/12/11 3:11 AM
James,

You stated that "After the domains change, it takes too much longer time to be index in the Google for those domains.", a legitimate service using Google that have set up their account with Webmaster Tools will be able to provide Google with their new URL using the nice "Change URL" tool, allowing them to change their domain to a more prominent TLD and continue their operations like before. I highly doubt Google dropped the already indexed sites so you they will retain their search rank (if they had one).

You also mention blogspot not warning users, it's not blogspots place to warn a user that their domain might be blocked or seized, and as previously stated their blog still exists, it's just not indexed under the .co.cc domain. They are free to apply a new domain here as well.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 7/12/11 3:22 AM
>> Steven Lockey ===================

Here is the evidence.

http://googlekoreablog.blogspot.com/2011/05/blog-post_20.html
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Steven Lockey 7/12/11 4:09 AM
Errr... that page clearly says its accessing PUBLIC information, from a PUBLIC source.... its warning you that you may have published personal details in a public area...... Also the exact opposite of what you are claiming.

There is no personal or credit information been gathered there, that's PUBLIC information, available to everyone and put that way by the website owner.
Google bot JUST collects public information and makes it searchable, it does not gather ANY private information unless that information is posted where anyone can access it. Google also provide several methods that allow to you to NOT have any pages you don't want in search accessed.

Since you clearly have no idea how the web or internet technologies work, I'd advise been quiet before you make yourself look even more foolish.



Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Sunny K. Ujjawal 7/12/11 4:17 AM
Really Google has done this very wrong... I think there must be some laws which can beat Google in such policies. i case of co.cc google can remove spam and phishing sites but not the whole domain. James Kim have done a lot of hard work to bring it to such level.
So, Google must reindex it.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? funman 7/12/11 4:19 AM
Google hasn't broken any laws, they index websites, they decide what they want their own website to display. If they decide "we don't want OUR website to show links to sites that are largely associated with spam", that is their decision and they may do so at a whim.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Al JR 7/12/11 4:45 AM
So you want the government to interfere and force  the indexing of rubbish.
Why is a private American search engine so important to these Eastern scam sites - surely Baidu, Yandex & Rediff should be your first choices.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 7/12/11 4:50 AM
>>> how shamefully biased can you be?!

To stumble upon a broken link on the homepage of a "qualiy site" at the first glance, and finding that funny is "shamefully biased"?

-luzie-
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Steven Lockey 7/12/11 4:56 AM
>James Kim have done a lot of hard work to bring it to such level.
>So, Google must reindex it.

No, they have no obligation to do that.
Also I don't consider spamming the index or scamming clients (claiming to sell them a domain when you are selling sub-domains which are very different) counts as hard work.

Also I wouldn't be surprised, if Google IP trace all the users supporting JamesKim, they turn out to be all in the same place, probably the same building.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? joosts 7/12/11 8:08 AM
I use co.cc domains to get a decent and free domain name for several tourism related projects in Bolivia I volunteered for (i.e. www.coroi.co.cc ). A payed domain is simply not affordable there - it's somewhere between one and four months wage for them. For example, registering a TLD costs USD 200 in Bolivia, which represent about USD 3000 in the US at PPP. This is easily forgotten on these fora. CO.CC is not just for spammers, it is also for people in the third world who are less eloquent in English and have less cash to spare.

I could settle for a decent alternative and it looks like I won't have any choice. It would still mean getting everyone to change their links, also print ones like the Lonely Planet guidebook.

Sure, co.cc should get their act together, and I hope the idea behind the ban is to pressure them to take action. I understand the motives. I just hope if and when co.cc cleans up their act, Google will retract the ban. Some of their products are clearly marketed for spammers. They should probably drop those. Google should (and probably did) provide a list with measures co.cc should comply with in order to be allowed indexing.

Even so, it's a pity this is done by Google, a company that states that "Democracy on the web works." In fact, by this measure, they show that they lost the belief in one of the pillars of their own philosophy. Apparently, it is not worth their effort to find the hidden gold, even though this is what made them big in the first place. Google claims to be about making as much information as possible available to as much people as possible. If Google worked by its own standards, they would find a way to make the sift the relevant information from the irrelevant. Instead, they are acting like they are 'the internet police'. They've accepted their own defeat.

My point is definitely NOT that Google owes anything to co.cc subdomains.

They owe it to themselves to find a better solution.

[this was edited from previous posts here: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Webmasters/thread?fid=10735eb11a40c0c80004a7dbf211e58a&hl=en
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Steven Lockey 7/12/11 8:23 AM
>>I use co.cc domains to get a decent and free domain name for several tourism related projects in Bolivia

You don't get a domain name, thats kinda the point. You get a sub-domain.

>>A payed domain is simply not affordable there - it's somewhere between one and four months wage for them. For example, registering a TLD costs USD 200 in Bolivia, which represent about USD 3000 in the US at PPP.

To register a new TLD thats about right, to register a normal domain is far cheaper, about USD 30 per year. This avoids you been vulnerable to this sort of thing. This isn't a case of money, its a case of people been cheated into buying these sub-domains thinking they where regular domains. A TLD is something completely different than a standard domain and there is no reason for any normal company to register one.


>>Even so, it's a pity this is done by Google, a company that states that "Democracy on the web works."

Fairly sure if there was a web vote, more would vote for that domain been removed than wanting it to stay.


>>If Google worked by its own standards, they would find a way to make the sift the relevant information from the irrelevant. Instead, they are acting like they are 'the internet police'.

No, they are policing their own search results. Massive difference between the web and Google search.......


>>Apparently, it is not worth their effort to find the hidden gold, even though this is what made them big in the first place.

No, in this case it probably isn't. The tiny amount of decent content on these sites compared to the mountains of crap make the amount of effort to the amount of reward not worth it. And this isn't what made them big, what made them big was returning decent search results, without the amount of spam and crap the other search engines had, and this is what they are continuing to do.

Expect Google to keep doing anything like this if they think it will improve their search results, after all, its the searchers that it is their job to keep happy NOT the webmasters.

Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Pelagic 7/12/11 8:30 AM
 
Here are the numbers of malicious URLs that TrendMicro found on certain SLDs;
 
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? KORPG Kevin 7/12/11 8:36 AM
That's an interesting image Pelagic.

co*cc has more than the next 5 worst offenders combined.
Impressive... and a bit sad actually.

Kudos to Google for protecting their customers from inadvertently being directed to one of those malicious URLs.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? StevieD_Web 7/12/11 8:41 AM
of course the general manager is going to whine that the 35,000 subdirectories of his site are beyond his control and besides it is a small % of his site.  Sounds logical and appropriate, EXCEPT the malicious sites are SUBDIRECTORIES of his site and the content thereof is entirely his responsibility.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Pelagic 7/12/11 8:49 AM
 
Is this how you attempt to reduce the apparent percentages of spammy, phishing and malware sites on .co.cc ?
 
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Pelagic 7/12/11 8:58 AM
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Pelagic 7/12/11 9:21 AM
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? KORPG Kevin 7/12/11 9:27 AM
I'd stop looking Pelagic. My guess is you'll just disappoint yourself.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Pelagic 7/12/11 10:50 AM
 
My only dissapointment is that Verisign (eNIC) were irresponsible in managing .CC
 
I will quote their unenforced policies; 
 
"Use of the Domain Name

For each Domain Name registered by Registrar (on behalf of itself or a Registrant), Registrar shall:

A. Ensure that the Domain Name is not registered, used, displayed, or exploited in contravention or violation of these policies or any other policies regarding .cc and .tv, in contravention of the laws of any jurisdiction where the Domain Name is accessible, or for any unlawful purpose, including, but not limited to, child pornography, child entrapment or abuse, advocacy of hatred, bigotry, or violence towards persons or groups on the basis of their religion, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, or other immutable characteristics, theft of email service, or as a source of unsolicited bulk email or as an address to use for replying to unsolicited bulk email;

B. Ensure that the registration, use, display, and exploit of any Domain Name is done in good faith, and in accordance with international, federal, and state laws and regulations;

C. Not publicly offer, advertise, or otherwise make available the delegation of subdomains from the Domain Name;

D. Recognize that the use of the Domain Name may be subject to applicable laws in all jurisdictions in which the Domain Name is used or accessible, including those concerning trademarks and other types of intellectual property"

 

"Reservation of Rights

Verisign expressly reserves the right to deny, cancel, or transfer any Domain Name registration that it deems necessary in its discretion: (i) to protect the integrity and stability of the registry; (ii) to comply with any applicable laws, government rules or requirements, requests of law enforcement; (iii) in the event a Domain Name is used in violation of these policies and any other policies regarding .tv and .cc and; (iv) in compliance with any dispute resolution process, or to avoid any liability, civil or criminal, on the part of Verisign and its affiliates, subsidiaries, officers, directors, and employees. Verisign also reserves the right to lock a Domain Name during resolution of a dispute"

 

ps The registrar is YesNic.co.ltd  (www.internic.net/registrars/registrar-100.html)

 

Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 7/12/11 6:38 PM
>> Pelagic ==============================================


Answer for: Here are the numbers of malicious URLs that TrendMicro found on certain SLDs;

What do think how many domains are operating within 35,000 sites?
Most of those malicious domains have already deleted or shinkhole for a long time ago. As I said again and again, we get malicious domains list from internet security companies every day.  

Google Anti-virus Team also gave malicious domains list to us before.
They informed us they will send those lists daily basis, but they didn’t do it.  
 
Could you please calculate how many % for 35,000 within ten millions?
And those malicious domains have already deleted or shinkhole.
As I said before, we are sure that the fraction of the current operating malicious domains in co.cc is less than 0.01%.
Do you really think this portion is high fraction that our entire co.cc consider as malicious domain to flag?



Answer for: Is this how you attempt to reduce the apparent percentages of spammy, phishing and malware sites on .co.cc ?

This code, <meta name="robots" content="noindex"> was in it,
I think the smart engine cannot index those website.
And I am just wondering do you consider the below sites as spam site?

available-1.blogspot.com
available-2.blogspot.com
available-3.blogspot.com
available-4.blogspot.com
facebook.com/available-1
facebook.com/available-2
facebook.com/available-3
facebook.com/available-4
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? KORPG Kevin 7/12/11 8:46 PM
StevieD_Web - of course the general manager is going to whine that the 35,000 subdirectories of his site are beyond his control and besides it is a small % of his site.  Sounds logical and appropriate, EXCEPT the malicious sites are SUBDIRECTORIES of his site and the content thereof is entirely his responsibility.

JamesKim - Google Anti-virus Team also gave malicious domains list to us before.They informed us they will send those lists daily basis, but they didn’t do it. Could you please calculate how many % for 35,000 within ten millions? .... As I said before, we are sure that the fraction of the current operating malicious domains in co.cc is less than 0.01%.

@StevieD_Web: You should have played the lottery this week.

---

JamesKim - Most of those malicious domains have already deleted or shinkhole for a long time ago... And those malicious domains have already deleted or shinkhole.

@JamesKim: Did you notice that the image posted by Pelagic was from this month? Since the month isn't even a couple weeks old, how can those sub-domains have been deleted a long time ago?
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 7/12/11 10:26 PM
>>KORPGKevin ====================================


This is General Manager from co.cc.

The number means the total number of co.cc sub-domain which was flag as malicious domains by trendmicro "up to now".
On the other hand, it is the total number for co.cc.sub-domains in DB of trendmicro.
If we do shinkhole or delete those malicious sub-domains, the sub-domains information in Trendmicro DB is not deleted.
Even though we try to delete all 35,000 sub-domains, the number is not becoming zero (0).
The number maintains 35,000 without any change.
I want you know that this number is including dead malicious domains.

I think Google was not considering this point.  

Most of those malicious domains have already deleted or shinkhole for a long time ago.
We are sure that the fraction of the current operating malicious domains in all co.cc is less than 0.01%.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? StevieD_Web 7/12/11 10:50 PM
.01% is far too many malicious subdomains when factored against the quality of other subdomains within your site.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 7/12/11 11:07 PM
This is General Manager from co.cc.

I like Google and I respect them. I know that Google provide the best search engines to users in the world. I also understand that Google didn’t negotiate with China government due to the freedom of expression although Google might have loss from it. Google has been made many right decisions until now.

Therefore, I believe Google will take serious consideration rechecking this issue to make the right decision again. We are always ready to offer total lists of co.cc domains and total zone files. We are fully ready to respond for any requests from Google
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? PriyoYus 7/13/11 6:54 AM
Hi everyone,

Regarding this de-indexing of co.cc, let me give u some illustration

I live and work in a "third world" country, Our nation strife to promote Nationwide economic growth to our "Micro and Small Enterprise" (MSE). I know this cos i have worked in a government project to help MSE promote their businesses through internet.

Do not compare our MSE with pan-American home-business, the GNP gap is just too huge. American Home-biz can easily afford web hosting $20/month and domain $20/yr, they would consider it "cheap". In the other hand,  US$20 in our country equals 1 month supply of rice for the whole family.

That is why when I helped some of those MSE's, I suggest to them to make their own websites using our government subsidized  web-hosting service (less than $5/yr) and combining it  with "FREE DOMAIN NAMES". This would make their websites affordable to them while still have a good advantage from using .blogger or .blogspot and with a good Search Engine Optimization (I suggest strongly that they be listed in google) they could easily reach nation-wide market and even international market.  ... Co.CC is the first i suggest them to choose for their free domains.

Now with having that in mind, through sense of justice and fairness, please re-consider de-indexing co.cc AND other free domains, because not all of them are bad. Bad (spammin, phishing, malware, illegal, etc.) websites should be treated case-by-case, and the penalty should be severe from Google side.

Unless of course, Google, and some of the forum participants here, have something against Millennium Development Goals (target 8.F states "In cooperation with the private sector, make available benefits of new technologies, especially information and communications").

Cheers.

Priyo
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 7/13/11 7:05 AM
Really, co*cc turns out to be a selfless global social benefactor instead of a spammy commercial rip-off ... *sigh*
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? joosts 7/13/11 7:06 AM
Dear Luzie, why couldn't it be both? The world isn't as simple as *sigh*.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 7/13/11 7:26 AM

Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? joosts 7/13/11 7:28 AM
Exactly :)

I don't think that's too hard a concept to grasp.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? wejonk 7/13/11 7:32 AM
I live and work in a "third world" country
 i have worked in a government project

You pretty much demand a free domain while if free domains are offered one will see more spam and malicious URL's. Instead if one put a price tag on them they will drop. Furthermore a lot of ccTLD's do not offer domains for a reasonable price, imo. That is, where is the government in those countries where there is a need to have a ccTLD for a reasonable price. In other words, your government like any other government can assist in helping to grow the online local businesses/community in their country. 

In general, you should blame your own government/organisations that seem to fail and not blame Google for not assisting your needs because Google has no part in that.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? joosts 7/13/11 8:06 AM
No no, he demands a free subdomain. Crucial difference!
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Steven Lockey 7/13/11 9:01 AM
Yep, the difference is a free subdomain might get delisted! :)

Oh, and if they are paying only $5/year for subsidies web hosting, why aren't the local domain registrations also subsidised, as they can be controlled by the same government.... If their intention is to support small businesses this is a much better way forward than having crappy spammy sub-domains like this.


Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Pelagic 7/13/11 11:03 AM
Pryios, again I will emphasise that these are not domains, they are subdomains, the vast majority of which are delegated , which is in direct violation of the policies issued by authoritative registry for .cc (Verisign - eNIC)
 
Real domains are rediculously cheap to purchase, far too cheap in my opinion.  Heck .info domains are available from as little as $2 per annum, couple that with the free hosting that is widely available !
 
The simple fact is spammers go for the free stuff because there is no financial audit trail back to them !
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? PriyoYus 7/13/11 1:23 PM
Thank you for your replies,

Firstly, I do not blame Google for anything. I am asking Google to reconsider. It has nothing to do with me or my government or my organization, but It has everything to do with those MSE's that has set up their sites under that "free domain" and start depending their marketing on Google localized search engine. If there is someone that I should blame, I would blame those who abuse those free services. Free domains are just Vessels, blame the captain and not the ship.

Secondly, when our consultation and training program is still on the brainstorming process, we decide that pricing is a major factor. The fact that those MSE's is in themselves struggling in their financing is undeniable. So we are to show them the "cheapest way" to put their products/services listed in search engines using every available resources we found in the internet. Our government DO have subsidized ccTLD, please notice the keyword "subsidized". We do have that Option in the training. Yet Many of the MSE's chose to use the "free way".

Once more I should emphasize, that it is rightfully up to Google to decide what is best to do with "free sub-domains". This decision might make the whole internet users community to browse safer. I merely state a point of consideration that there are also -maybe a small percentage of- users that relies their honest day-to-day businesses with those Free Domains.

Lastly, I do respect Google as the most used search engines in the world. And world that we live in, is colorful like the colors of the letters in "Google".

Sincerely
Priyo
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 7/13/11 6:54 PM
This is General Manager from co.cc.



>>luzie ================================
When I looked at your writing, I knew that you are a logical person.
I can tell I had hard time when I replied to your questions.
Especially, the part “Google might take legal responsibility to blogspot users” is hard to explain.
We have been made many mistakes to reduce malicious domains and the ratio becomes very low.
Whatsoever can not perfect at the beginning.
I hope you know this point.


>>Pelagic ================================
You are keep insisted many times that sub-domain is not the domain.
Do you have any proof for this?
I want you to prepare certain document to proof.
I think your misleading prejudgments will lower your value.

In inverted tree structure, SLD is relative concept for TLD and sub-domain is relative concept for root-domain.

The meaning of domain is as below. Please refer to Dictionary
A domain name is the name of a person's or organization's website on the Internet, for example `cobuild.collins.co.uk'.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 7/13/11 7:48 PM
This is General Manager from co.cc.


I think the right thing is Google need to send us malicious domains list that they found. We can shinkhole those malicious domains within 2 hours. Google is not only keeping the lists but also providing those malicious domain lists. I think Google have to cooperate with co.cc in order to delete those malicious domains for all internet users.

I think Google Anti-Malware Team should make up for Webmaster Tools. Webmaster Tools lets webmasters find examples of URLs under their domains that may be distributing malware. But in the Webmaster Tools, there is no function that webmaster can find subdomain which are under their domains. Again, webmaster can find  domain.com/malware1 thru Webmaster Tools but cannot find malware1.domain.com.
I suggest adding functions in Webmaster Tools that wildcard (*.domain.com) can add site or subdomain under their domains can be monitored.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? StevieD_Web 7/13/11 8:43 PM
How much money are you willing to pay to Google so that Google does the work your company should already be doing?
 
Remember, it is your domain and subdomains thereof where the problem lies.  If you can't police your own domain and subdomains maybe you should hire Google to do it for you.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 7/13/11 10:56 PM
This is General Manager from co.cc.


>>StevieD_Web ======================

If Google request us for money, we are willing to pay.

But I don’t think Google made webmaster tools for making money.
The main purpose of Webmaster Tools is for webmaster to manage their site and improve the quality of search results in Google ultimately.
Whatsoever the purpose of making webmaster tools of Google, if Google ask us for money, we will pay for it.

Co.cc users are also using Google same as general internet users. Again, co.cc users are also Google’s users.
Therefore, I think Google should also listen to co.cc users’ comments that make Google right thing to do.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 7/14/11 1:10 AM
>>> But I don’t think Google made
>>> webmaster tools for making money.


No, no, Stevie's remark is not concerning the webmastertools, but your claim out of the blue that they should suddenly do work for you, sending you their lists or whatever. I mean this claim IS REALLY ridiculuos, Google is not your business agent.

-luzie-
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 7/14/11 2:27 AM
This is General Manager from co.cc.

>>luzie  ======================

We know well that "Google is not our business agent" and also It’s a challenge getting a response from Google.

However, this "ridiculous" proposal is not from us, but Google Anti-Malware Team suggest to us first. Google Anti-Malware Team informed us on October 13 2010 that we need to manage co.cc with webmaster tools. But we replied them we cannot control co.cc subdomain with webmaster tools. We already fully explained the reason in here. And then, Google have suggested to us that "a daily email to you with anything we find as suspicious for malware"
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Steven Lockey 7/14/11 2:31 AM
>>>Pelagic ================================
>You are keep insisted many times that sub-domain is not the domain.
>Do you have any proof for this?
>I want you to prepare certain document to proof.
>I think your misleading prejudgments will lower your value.

Oh dear... You are GM of the company and you don't know the difference between a domain and a sub-domain..... oh dear......


Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 7/14/11 2:48 AM
>>Steven Lockey
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 7/14/11 3:02 AM
>>> Google Anti-Malware Team informed us on
>>> October 13 2010 that we need to manage
>>> co.cc with webmaster tools


Interesting enough! That means you've been warned looong ago - and have, of course, done ... nothing. I'd say a class action of your paying clients against your company should be the right response towards this behaviour, this is also concerning the sale of subdomains as "domains".


>>> You are keep insisted many times
>>> that sub-domain is not the domain.
>>> Do you have any proof for this?


     foo*co*cc
   SUB*SLD*TLD

<<< Lol, it's proof enough just to look at the URL, that's how URLs are organized, every 2$-paperback "Internet for dummies" could tell you.


>>> I want you to prepare certain document to proof.

Again the call to others to do your work for you??? Besides being the general manager, what is it you're doing yourself?

-luzie-
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Steven Lockey 7/14/11 3:09 AM
Sorry, not our job to teach you how to do your job.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 7/14/11 3:25 AM
>>Steven Lockey,   luzie
Please look up  "domain name" in a dictionary. Not only co.cc but also foo.co.cc is domain name.

foo.co.cc is sub-domain.  

co.cc is root-domain.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 7/14/11 4:27 AM
You force me to cite your website again:

     .co.cc free domain name works exactly like a .com
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? kernc 7/14/11 9:08 AM
@ "google won't do this work for you" and all the other luz(i)e-rs,

Google does this for everybody. and it does it free of charge for the better of the community.
ergo, you are a bunch of gaping assholes.


@ JamesKim,

apparently, you can use Google's SafeBrowsing API, free of charge, to periodically check all your subdomains.
http://code.google.com/apis/safebrowsing/
http://code.google.com/apis/safebrowsing/developers_guide_v2.html#Audience
I would highly recommend it!


all against,– go rim yourselves.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? cool.stylo1 7/14/11 12:14 PM
I think Google is using its monopoly power thats it

With out even giving a chance to improve it just removes all the 35000 websites. There must be 1% good sites as well.

I hope that some other search engine comes like bing.......

Atleast they should give webmaster a chance to improve.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? KORPG Kevin 7/14/11 12:21 PM
> With out even giving a chance to improve it just removes all the 35000 websites.

Actually, if you look back a bit you'll note that the GM for co.cc claims otherwise.

> Google Anti-Malware Team informed us on October 13 2010

So if you want to be upset with the right people for not informing you, there's your answer.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 7/14/11 1:01 PM
@kemc,


>>> Google does this for everybody. and it does it free
>>> of charge for the better of the community.


Ok, that's a valid point ...
(Of course it's still different from what has been loudly demanded here, co*cc wanted nothing short of a direct individual permanent free monitoring service from Google because they're either unable or too lazy to clean their site themselves)


>>> ergo, you are a bunch of gaping assholes.

I don't see how this is related to your first sentence ?*g*???

-luzie-
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? john3180 7/15/11 9:45 PM
It all comes down to is google's inability to be "granular".
The ban may have not been fair to many, but it certainly was easy for google.

If google was actually able to be granular, this discussion would not exist.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? john3180 7/15/11 10:05 PM
To be clear.. the only difference between a .co.cc extension and a .com/etc extension is the price.  Sure, one is technically a subdomain, and the other a tld, but the same content can easily be hosted on either one.  It's only natural that the blacker content gravitates to the lower price, but in the end either one is nothing more than a name pointing at an address.
Some of these people might lose some roi, but they will most certainly move into other domains.  Banning .co.cc solved nothing.
Expect a rise in this type of content being hosted on .info,.com/etc
The real solution is to actually be granular instead of admitting that you are incapable.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? StevieD_Web 7/15/11 11:09 PM
@john3180
 
So the slime move to their own url's.  This will be better for all of us.
 
Why?
 
The standard to remove individual sites from the index is pretty simple.... fail to meet the standards and you are gone.   Auto-removal that is quick, easy and painless for Google.
 
Manually removing co.cc (or any other tld) takes much more thought and effort on Google's part.  Even if the entire process takes 5 minutes, that is 5 minutes more effort than the auto-removal of the lastest malware infested spammy url.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Geoff Louw 7/15/11 11:53 PM
Mmm... that

Get a Free domain with DNS service!

.co.cc free domain name works exactly like a .com


...is clearly false advertising. Should be "Get a Free subdomain with DNS service. .co.cc free subdomain name is similar to a .com"

Legitimate business owners who were deceived & suffered as a result should be able to sue. Unlikely though, if they were going for a free service, it means they don't have enough money for lawyers.

Although it wouldn't be too surprising if a bunch of class-action lawyers are interested.


Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? lukadalow 7/16/11 4:02 AM
The standard of discussion in this thread is of a very low standard. The bad language is offensive, from both sides of this argument. Is this Google Webmasters at its best, I wonder?! The balance of opinions here seems heavily weighted in favour of Google's decision: a big surprise, on Google own forum! It is natural that "top contributors" etc. will support whatever Google does; they wouldn't dare to do otherwise! A much more unbiased discussion, without constant fauning towards Almighty Google, can be found on the SEO Round Table site:  http://www.seroundtable.com/co-cc-gm-argues-13686.html

Make sure to read the comments after the article. As you will see, the balance of opinion of webmasters there is quite different. How could one possibly expect a balanced discussion of a Google decision on Google's own forum?
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Geoff Louw 7/16/11 4:12 AM
>>"The standard of discussion in this thread is of a very low standard" Not really. Or not any lower than normal, anyway, lol.

I can understand that there are a lot of very upset people who "own" .co.cc sites, but they should realize that by making a misleading advertising claim, .co.cc set out with the express intention of deceiving them.

They've gone and set up businesses, in the mistaken belief that they posessed something that had the same stability and security as a .com domain. So maybe they should direct their anger at the people who misled them.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Al JR 7/16/11 8:06 AM
If you look on the ads oriented 'webmasters' at seo forums, many of them 10years ago were involved in hidden text stuffing, domain farms and other wonderful dubious practices.
The net would be a no go zone of malware and cons if google hadn't refined their standards.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? OSouza 7/16/11 10:19 AM
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Lysis 7/16/11 10:30 AM
Apparently, the .we.bs domain is the new co.cc spammer's den. I just blocked that entire domain from my forum. lol
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Geoff Louw 7/16/11 10:58 AM
Nothing wrong with ads, they're importanto any company. But if advertising misleads people, like in the case above, it's pretty serious, & can sometimes amount to fraud.

Practically all countries have advertising standards authorities, I have to wonder how a company like .co.cc has been able to get away without their country's legal system taking action. Probably technical ignorance on the part of that system, or maybe just the net's too new for them to have caught up.

Who knows, this may be an historic case, with millions of people being hurt & some or other international policing system being set up as a result. Damn.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? shades1 7/16/11 11:01 AM
Hi OSouza,

Please show us where you can buy 15000 of those in one swoop.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? john3180 7/16/11 11:16 AM
"The standard to remove individual sites from the index is pretty simple.... fail to meet the standards and you are gone.   Auto-removal that is quick, easy and painless for Google."

What I can't understand is why google cannot easily apply the same standards check to domain.co.cc as they do to domain.com.

Sure there was a fair amount of garbage on there, and the garbage should not be indexed.  
What is scary is the idea of using cost of entry as a means to filter the trash.  What will google do when they've nuked every cheap/free provider and now this content sits on .info?

Perhaps we should just up domain prices to $1000 and be done with it..  surely nobody will build poor content on a name that costs so much.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? john3180 7/16/11 11:20 AM
"Legitimate business owners who were deceived & suffered as a result should be able to sue. Unlikely though, if they were going for a free service, it means they don't have enough money for lawyers."

Legitimate business owners who do not know the difference between the two should probably hire somebody that does.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Lysis 7/16/11 11:34 AM
"Legitimate business owners who do not know the difference between the two should probably hire somebody that does."

Dude, if I could Best Answer this without getting into trouble, I would. lol 
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Geoff Louw 7/16/11 11:36 AM
.>>"Legitimate business owners who do not know the difference between the two should probably hire somebody that does"

The whole point of this is that companies selling, eg grass baskets in Peru simply can't afford to do that when they start out, and once they've got the google rankings, can't risk their business by changing to a tld.

They're unlikely to be technically knowledgable, they just see "free" and "exactly the same as a.com" and think fantastic, we can set up a business with no overheads. They maybe do well, then something like this happens & their business goes down the drain. There's, what? A few million .co.cc sites in that sort of boat? Bad.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? john3180 7/16/11 11:43 AM
These same people had no opportunity without .co.cc in the first place.
Again, using cost of entry as the barrier until the spam/malicious sites can no longer be profitable is a scary idea.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? StevieD_Web 7/16/11 11:47 AM
>>These same people had no opportunity without .co.cc in the first place.
 
Oh, please.  .co.cc was not running a charity, they were overcharging gullible people for a product that could be purchased for less via other sources.  Of course if the customer's government was truly concerned about the welfare of their poor people they would offer subsidized websites to micro businesses and startups to encourage such activity.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Geoff Louw 7/16/11 11:53 AM
.."would offer subsidized websites to micro businesses and startups to encourage such activity"

That's a good idea, wouldn't be surprised if it happens in the near future.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Lysis 7/16/11 12:12 PM
"Again, using cost of entry as the barrier until the spam/malicious sites can no longer be profitable is a scary idea."

Another Best Answer. lol It costs $30 to start a business online. If you expect everything for free to start your latest brilliant idea, then maybe  you should save some money before you slap up a website. I also can't find it in me to feel sorry for someone who expects money from a website when he/she doesn't understand the technology at all. Hire someone, and I don't me some dude in his basement overseas charging 50 cents for a web page. Hire a reputable person, and put effort into it just like you would have to do in any other area of business. 

It doesn't bother me if people with no experience want to create a site and test the marketing and don't expect much from it, but don't try to be Best Buy of the Internet when you use Frontpage to create your website and then wonder why your customer's credit cards are now indexed and then blame it on Google. Ridiculous.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Geoff Louw 7/17/11 12:19 AM
$30 is an enormous amount of money to a basket-weaver in Peru. Plus monthly hosting fees etc - it's simply unaffordable. It's not that they're gullible, or stupid, it's just that they know nothing about the web except that it's a possible way to support themselves.

.co.cc's attracted thousands, maybe even millions of people just like that through misleading advertising. To me it looks like they've done it simply to legitimize where they make their money - selling 15000 "domains" to scammers for $1000.

Then when Google bans them, James Kim can say, but, but, we're providing this wonderful service to multitude of poor people. Specious is the word, I think.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Geoff Louw 7/17/11 1:42 AM
Here's a local example of someone who might fall for .co.cc's thing (lol, it'll sound so strange to someone from the US, but hey, things are different here):

There's around 200,000 sangomas (witchdoctors/shamans) in South Africa. They're very important, and most people will go to them before going to a "western" doctor. There's around 30 million wap-enabled cellphones in the country. Everyone uses them, and there's 10's of thousands of Google searches/month for sangomas' services (I know, because one of them wanted a site from me).

To set up a website (apart from the high cost of going online & figuring out how, or paying someone), it'd cost the same as food for a week. If they knew about .co.cc (Free! The same as a .com!), they might have fallen for it. But then the business would have fallen apart a few weeks ago when .co.cc got banned by Google. Haikona, man.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Al JR 7/17/11 2:12 AM
I thought they'd use Dreamweaver out of choice, Geoff. .
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Geoff Louw 7/17/11 2:51 AM
lol. No, they'd need something that could make a website using a cellphone. Which I know nothing about, yet. Wot's that opera thingy you're using?
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Al JR 7/17/11 4:43 AM
Been at it 5 yrs with opera mini, and the blogs on my.opera.com.
They're totally none commercial though, so businesses get closed on the spot.
+ the blogs are subfolders of a subdomain, so no scripting.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Geoff Louw 7/17/11 5:40 AM
Thanks, been looking at your site & trying to figure it out. Worthwhile me finding out more, it's the future of Google & the internet in general here.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Al JR 7/17/11 7:13 AM
My blogspot one is more fun - but there's no support when they jam up, which they do rather regularly, judging by the Blogger 'help' forum.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? djones1509 7/17/11 7:29 AM
Here's something to consider James Kim...

When I first started my blog last year, I acquired a .co.cc SLD instead of using the normal blogspot URL.

Being a kind hearted gentleman as I am, I supported your service by placing your logo on my blog using the instructions on your site.

A few days later I received an email informing me that one of my readers had received a notification while using Google Chrome that my blog was linking to a site that was hosting malware. After some investigation, it was found that the problem was with the logo I had placed on my blog which was hosted on a site that contained malware.

You have since moved your promotional logos from this URL but it just goes to show how relaxed you are when it comes to malware.

I’ve since moved away from using your service back in February when Facebook blocked all the .co.cc websites from posting on their system. Although it was a lot of work moving to a purchased domain without losing traffic, It was the best move I ever made.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? shukla_vikas 7/17/11 7:45 AM
Actually,

The 0.01% are the only ones that should stay. Rest 99.99% should go.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Lysis 7/17/11 8:30 AM
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Lysis 7/17/11 8:32 AM
"A few days later I received an email informing me that one of my readers had received a notification while using Google Chrome that my blog was linking to a site that was hosting malware"

Yeah, I actually went to purchase a co.cc domain for a cheap testing location and received a warning that the site was a siite that hosted malware. I'm glad Google warned me.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? StevieD_Web 7/17/11 3:44 PM
>February when Facebook blocked all the .co.cc websites
 
 
Darn, even Facebook blocked .co.cc before Google.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? totoman95 7/17/11 7:31 PM
I will suggest that Gmail should be block as a whole to China and many countries.

A great number of Gmail accounts are used by Cyber Crimer and spammer.

Therefore, I will suggest that Gmail should be block as a whole to China and many countries.

If they accept my suggestion, Google will realize only after then why google is wrong to block all co.cc.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? seo101 7/17/11 7:47 PM
Why would Google want to do that for? the co.cc was affecting the quality of the Google search results. Gmail is not affecting the quality of the search results.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Al JR 7/17/11 8:55 PM
Besides, how can an email account lead to crime - it lands in the inbox / spam folder - unrecognised - gets deleted.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? StevieD_Web 7/17/11 9:25 PM
@53.12north,
 
what, don't you open all your mail?
 
Personally I leave the junk/spam filter off and open all the email, even the stuff from people I don't know.  Since I have upgraded to Windows 95 I have never felt safer.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Al JR 7/18/11 12:19 AM
I'm nearly 50 - maybe back in the 90's I might have thought Santa or the Tooth Fairy could send emails. . .
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? KORPG Kevin 7/18/11 7:29 AM
Santa doesn't send his own emails. In a joint agreement with the Federal Government he managed to broker a deal where he keeps all the members of Congress off the naughty list no matter what they're doing, and in exchange Santa gets free use of the Postal System, free reign of airspace over the continental US, and as a lesser known agreed-to, The Jolly ol' Elf outsources his Customer Service systems to a beowulf cluster linked to the NORAD computer exchange in Cheyenne Mountain.

As for the Tooth Fairy... Last I heard she was trying a new Global SatCom link with integration to pinpoint GPS and online, one second-response Banking anywhere in the World... but it turns out the tech requirements were more than she could master - basically she bit off more than she could chew.

At least that's what I've been told by the Easter Bunny.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? GordonP2 7/18/11 8:29 AM
One big problem with blocking the co.cc is that this wont actually affect the spammers and phishers, these sites were usually only accessed from spam email sent from comprimised PC's anyway.
 
The only thing that would stop this is the various international bodies following the money trail and arresting those who apear on it.
 
Which leads you to the poor sods who get those "work from home 2-4 hours a day and earn a slightly better than average wage" These people are normally the ones who get busted and they are generally have no idea that they are being asked to break the law, believing they have found real employment for a multinational.
 
Spammers turning desperate people into unwitting money launderers.
 
Jail sentances are either non-existant or to leniant in these cases.
 
but if blocking the co.cc puts this company out of business, then thats one more cog in the wheel out of action.
 
From small steps great things can be accomplished.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Geoff Louw 7/18/11 8:48 AM
>>"The only thing that would stop this is the various international bodies following the money trail and arresting those ..."

Let us hope that happens, so we can all carry on in peace. But so far, the cops appear ignorant. 
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? GordonP2 7/18/11 8:58 AM

"But so far, the cops appear ignorant"

 No they do follow up what they can, but cooperation between international bodies is slow and funding for various departments does not meet the demands.

 Though we are living in an internet age, the police are still 3 steps behind, and companies like co.cc offering massive bulk sales only helps to muddy the waters.

 The little people who are duped end up taking the fall and the people making money get away with it.

 The internet and the simplicity of scripting every part of the process makes things so easy.

 The guy who owns co.cc is obviously part of the chain, but I bet he wears a suit and tie and is classed as a business man.

Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Geoff Louw 7/18/11 9:05 AM
"the police are still 3 steps behind"

hope they hire some clued-up people quick, and pay them accordingly. You won't believe the crap that goes on in my country.


"The guy who owns co.cc is obviously part of the chain, but I bet he wears a suit and tie and is classed as a business man"

In my opinion, a person with an idea which required deception in order for it to succeed, and which has resulted in others suffering. Should be punished, imo. Bad, naughty .co.cc. Whack whack.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? krymson 7/18/11 10:12 PM
As a start up sometimes you dont have the capital to o out abd buy stuff... maybe you're trying out an idea and you dont want to be stuck with a domain name for a year... so you develop with a co.cc SLD.... what are you supposed to do to get that money legitly to pay for that TLD... this is just how i started out and I have my TLD now but i feel bad for the people who are at where i was... I'm gonna say i dont think its fair but i see Google's point, but they may have more coming to themthen what they think from Millions of users from all around the world... atleast from those just trying to make an honest living.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Koolaryan 7/20/11 8:53 AM
Google team will contact you soon.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Koolaryan 7/20/11 8:54 AM
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? kevin.hemminger 7/26/11 5:39 AM
JamesKim:  as you are fixing your co.cc service to comply with Google guidelines and getting rid of the phishing, illegal pharmacies and other bad sites, also consider putting in fixes for spamdexing.

Spamdexing is people using blackhat methods of generating millions of pages of nonsense content, and then cloaking it so no one could see it unless they were coming from a search engine, at which time they are forwarded to amazon affiliate websites.

It used to be that all you had to do was type inurl:co.cc "product name" and see no less than 50k pages of spamdexing on any particular product being forwarded to amazon affiliate websites.  As you correct your service, pleace have a "spamdexing reporting" portion of your site where you can paste in spamdexed websites to have them removed.  Thanks.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? pierrefar 7/26/11 12:00 PM
Hi James Kim,

To emphasize the main point many people made on this thread, the issue is that we're currently seeing a large amount of spam hosted on .co.cc subdomains. When reconsidering anti-spam actions in this type of situation, we generally take a sample of URLs to check how many are considered spam by our definitions or are distributing malware. In this particular case, we've already done such a sampling recently, and we didn't see any significant number of such pages being removed, rendering a granular (i.e. per subdomain) anti-spam approach unfeasible. For more help, please see these pages where we recently talked about this kind of issue:



Hope this helps,
Pierre
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 7/26/11 12:15 PM
>>> and we didn't see any significant number
>>> of such pages being removed


That translates into co*cc themselves being responsible for what they leniently and carelessly
tolerated to happen on their domain. Which is what we said all the time.

Nevertheless I now request Google to please reinstate legit sites there. Co*cc should have understood their situation by now. There's some truth in that possibly valuable subdomains don't deserve that general ban.

-luzie-
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Al JR 7/26/11 12:17 PM
(That full url above)
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 7/26/11 10:40 PM
@ pierrefar =====================================

This is General Manager from co.cc.


We have used "Google Safe Browsing API" on July 21 and we looked up about 10 millions of co.cc domains.
Therefore, we found out 456 malware .co.cc subdomains. It is only 0.005%.
This rate is really low rate comparing to the rate malware domains in total of .COM domains.
 
"spam hosted on co.cc" you mentioned  are mostly amazon affiliate websites.
If you insist on Amazon Associates as spam, "AdSense for Domains" is also considering as spam.
And also, Google Adwords is considering as "spam-dexing".
Moreover, blogspot is cooperating with Amazon Associates.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EGNAjQ8CD1E/Tady9BcerqI/AAAAAAAAACM/0QkdSaqbsac/s1600/Amazon+Associates+link.GIF
 
.co.cc is used by millions of people. There are granular sites and also non-granular sites are in it as well.
Although some users are abused it, it is not make any sense in legal way that total of co.cc should be deindex.

Neither Google nor We have any authority to “threaten” the users to make high-quality site.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? seo101 7/26/11 10:43 PM
"Neither Google nor We have any authority to “threaten” the users to make high-quality site."

BUT, Google have the right to remove crap from their search results. It may well be on 0,005% have malware; but almost 99% of the sites I have looked at on  .co.cc , I would not want in my search results, so there is more to it than just malware.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? StevieD_Web 7/26/11 10:50 PM
>Neither Google nor We have any authority to “threaten” the users to make high-quality site.
 
Nobody is threatening website owners. 
 
Think of Google's search index as a private club.  Those who know the secret handshake (aka high-quality website) are allowed entry into the club.  Those who don't know the secret handshake get to stand around on the outside and peak through the window into the great riches beyond.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Steven Lockey 7/27/11 1:32 AM
>>Therefore, we found out 456 malware .co.cc subdomains. It is only 0.005%.
This rate is really low rate comparing to the rate malware domains in total of .COM domains.

Errr, you where banned for spam not malware. And 465 sites under your domain is quite high, I'd suggest sorting that.... Of course you are probably happy to ban a site for malware but happily take the same person's money for the next malware site.


>>If you insist on Amazon Associates as spam, "AdSense for Domains" is also considering as spam.

AdSence for domains does NOT exclude good content on the page. Most of the sites on your crappy domain have just ads and no content.
Please try to actually stick to the discussion at hand instead of going off on random unrelated tangents in a very poor attempt to make a point.


>And also, Google Adwords is considering as "spam-dexing".
Clearly you don't even know what the term means, which is embarrasing for you since you should as GM.

It has nothing to do with them been affiliates, it has to do with them been THIN affiliates... they have no reason to be in the index because they are of bugger all use to searchers!


>.co.cc is used by millions of people. There are granular sites and also non-granular sites are in it as well.

WTF... Granular isn't a type of website, its an approach methodology.... its not even directly related to websites.......


>Neither Google nor We have any authority to “threaten” the users to make high-quality site.

No, but you have the right to not have them on your sub-domain, and Google have the right not to index them. Which they aren't. So if you don't like it, tough.

Seriously... are you really GM of co.cc or are you just trolling this forum? I would have expected the GM to have at least a moderate knowledge of the business his company is involved in.

BTW, you never responded to the fact that selling sub-domains is actually in breach of your agreement with your registrar for that domain.... Whats your excuse for this?




Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 7/27/11 1:40 AM
>>> And also, Google Adwords is considering as "spam-dexing".
>>> Clearly you don't even know what the term means, which
>>> is embarrasing for you since you should as GM.


True as true can be ... :D
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 7/27/11 2:06 AM
Edit @Steven Lockey ============================

Don't you know the meaning of "IF"?

IF YOU INSIST ON AMAZON ASSOCIATES AS SPAM,
"AdSense for Domains" is also considering as spam.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Steven Lockey 7/27/11 2:11 AM
No they aren't, hence my comment. Even if amazon associates are spam, that STILL doesn't make Adwords spam-dexing.....

Like I said, you clearly don't understand what the term means. Which is strange given your domain you should have lots and lots of experience with spam-dexing.......

So, are you going to answer the questions about:

1: Breaking registrar's terms and conditions
2: Lying to your customers (Works just like a .com)

Or does your interest here only extend to what you can grab, because as far as I can see .co.cc is one giant scam you are trying to protect.

Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 7/27/11 8:33 PM
@Steven Lockey

1. Answer for: Breaking registrar's terms and conditions:
The registrar of .co.cc is YESNIC.
What clause of terms for YESNIC that .co.cc have violated?
Did you read the terms of yesnic for sure? If not, please read it carefully.

And if you have some times, you can also check whether blogspot(Registrar: MARKMONITOR) has violated the terms.
Not only look after .co.cc but also take look at blogspot

 2. Answer for: Lying to your customers (Works just like a .com):
Could you please explain us in detail that .co.cc is not working same as .com?
Once I get your reply, I might tell you more in detail.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 7/28/11 12:35 AM
>>> Could you please explain us in detail that
>>> .co.cc is not working same as .com?


Look at this thread and think ...

This mess could never have happened to the TLD *com, it could only hit you, because co*cc is a SLD ...

-luzie-
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Ja-Si-Da 7/28/11 12:56 AM
>> "Get a Free domain with DNS service! .co.cc free domain name works exactly like a .com"

It's not a domain, it's a subdomain - there's an important difference. It doesn't work exactly like a .com, it works similarly to a .com.

You are overstating your product/service's advantages/benefits.

Lots have people have believed that overstatement, and suffered for it - there's been quite a few innocent website owners who've come to this forum enquiring as to why their websites no longer appear on Google. It's a pity for them, because it's not their fault.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Ja-Si-Da 7/28/11 1:15 AM
It would also be fair of you to mention to new people who are registering with your service that their websites will not appear in Google listings, because many of them will not realise it.

In that way, it certainly does not work exactly like a .com. It's misleading.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 7/28/11 1:18 AM
This is General Manager from co.cc.

@ luzie  =====================================


Don't you know the meaning of "WORK"?

What mess? The only mess is "deindexing" by Google.

We have used "Google GSB" on July 21 and we looked up about 10 millions of co.cc domains.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Ja-Si-Da 7/28/11 1:40 AM
Unfortunately that is unlikely to alter Google's decision.

However, regarding your point 2:

"2. Answer for: Lying to your customers (Works just like a .com):
Could you please explain us in detail that .co.cc is not working same as .com?
Once I get your reply, I might tell you more in detail."

It's been explained in some detail, and it's the same conclusion that your country's advertising standards authority is likely to reach. I think it would be wise and fair to change the headline on your site, to avoid further mishap.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 7/28/11 1:53 AM
>>> What mess? The only mess is "deindexing" by Google.

That's what I meant :-)
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Ja-Si-Da 7/28/11 2:07 AM
Ah, James, if the world was a fairer place, Google ban all .com's too. But it won't.

If websites were more important, domains would all cost $5,000. But they're not, and they don't.

In the meantime, all you can really do is improve your advertising, and see if your business model still works. Maybe it will, although it may only attract criminals intent on running phishing scams - to whom Google has no importance.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JohnMu 7/28/11 2:35 AM
Hi guys

Just a short note to mind the posting guidelines - stay civil, ok? 

Thanks for your understanding.

Cheers
John
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? GordonP2 7/28/11 3:09 AM
The bulk of the sales must surely come from phishing sites, and these don't come near Google. co.cc's buisiness model is alive and well thank you very much.
 
In fact, now that they cant be indexed, it probably removes a level of interferance that the phishers actually welcome. Now there is less preassue on co.cc to actually do anything.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Tahir Jamil 7/28/11 3:29 AM
It is really harsh measures by Google to ban or de-list all co.cc websites without discrimination or assessment. My five sites were running for many years. I am genuine personal writer but Google is a boss who does everything according to their sole discretion. Is there any pressure on Google from .com or commercial domain hosting sellers? At least Google should officially tell reasons to publishers. It is our freedom of expression right to question decisions.
All types of domains are same whether they are commercial or free. I think pressure from commercial domain sellers let Google take this decision. You know these are commercial parties which change things drastically.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Steven Lockey 7/28/11 3:37 AM
>It is really harsh measures by Google to ban or de-list all co.cc websites without discrimination or assessment.

Ah, so you work and Google, have access to their internal discussions and have proof that they discriminated and did no assessment of removing this then.

> I am genuine personal writer but Google is a boss who does everything according to their sole discretion.

As you do on your website.....


>At least Google should officially tell reasons to publishers. It is our freedom of expression right to question decisions.

Why? Google already told .co.cc the reason, it's THEIR job to tell you, not Google's. The fact of them filling the domain with spam and phishing sites without any monitoring is the problem that they caused. Its NOT Google's job to tell you, its .co.cc's. You are a customer of .co.cc not of Google.


>It is our freedom of expression right to question decisions.

Ah, so you are allowed freedom of expression, but Google aren't? Because not saying anything is a form as expression as much as saying anything.


>All types of domains are same whether they are commercial or free.

You don't have a domain, you have a SUB DOMAIN. This is a fairly major difference there. The fact .co.cc told you it is a domain is irrelevant.

>You know these are commercial parties which change things drastically.

Errr what? This isn't something that will give any advantage to major brands who might have any influence over Google.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Tahir Jamil 7/28/11 4:00 AM
Please be cool-minded and listen open heartedly. Let our voices heard. Google should make shift to human rights, freedom of expression, philanthropy and should hear voices of needy people. Really it is not a bad advice for a completely commercial successful institution.
Purchasing domain hosting and transferring sites are big hassle. I am earning only $100 per three to four months. So, purchasing domain hosting for this small income looks a decision to make
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Ja-Si-Da 7/28/11 4:18 AM
I understand what you're saying, Tahir.

But you have to understand that both Google and .co.cc are commercial institutions which simply could not exist without profit.

Earlier in this thread, someone suggested that it should be up to governments to purchase top level domains and distribute them to poorer folk. I think that's a great idea.

Alternatively, Google's got a philanthropic arm, which can be found at www.google.org. Perhaps put that suggestion to them, they might agree with you. Mmmm....
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Steven Lockey 7/28/11 4:25 AM
>>Please be cool-minded and listen open heartedly. Let our voices heard. Google should make shift to human rights, freedom of expression, philanthropy and should hear voices of needy people

Why is your Freedom of expression compromised? You still have the ability to express yourself.
What you are saying is that Google should be forced to PROMOTE your freedom of expression on it's search engine.
Effectively you are saying your Freedom of Expression is more important than's Google's. Doesn't work that way I'm afraid.

>>Really it is not a bad advice for a completely commercial successful institution.

I think Google have a fair idea whats good for them, their track record on this is quite a bit better than your's unless you happen to own a mutli-billion dollar company that has grown from nothing in 10years approx.


>>Purchasing domain hosting and transferring sites are big hassle.

You mean site hosting and domain registration (I'm been picky but the terms are quite important here)
The hassle isn't caused by Google since at the moment you DONT HAVE A DOMAIN. You've never had a domain. You've had a sub-domain.
Just because .co.cc told you it was a domain doesn't make it so. Yes it may be a pain but well, tough. You took a cheap option for domain registration (not that cheap compared to real domains either) and now you are paying the down-side of it. If you had registered a real domain in the first place you wouldn't be having this problem.

---James Kim

>Don't you know the meaning of "WORK"?

Yes, it has the same functionality. A sub-domain does NOT have the same functionality as a real domain. Fairly close but not the same, hence misleading advertising. As mentioned before, this is illegal in every country in europe (under EU laws).


>This rate is really low rate comparing to the rate malware domains in total of .COM domains.

Try reading...... You've been told multiple times this ISN'T a malware issue. But you keep spouting crap about Malware..... Its about phishing sites and spam sites and other crappy MFA sites. Your % of them is much closer to 99% of your sites.


>1. Answer for: Breaking registrar's terms and conditions:
The registrar of .co.cc is YESNIC.

Registrar of .cc is Verisign.
Verisign prohibit the sale of sub-domains  to phishing and scam sites as per their T&Cs, breaching them can result in the entire .co.cc domain been removed from the web entirely via the DNS, so no-one would even be able to access any site on .co.cc let alone find them in search. They would only be addressible via IP address should this happen. Please see the details below:

Use of the Domain Name

For each Domain Name registered by Registrar (on behalf of itself or a Registrant), Registrar shall:

A. Ensure that the Domain Name is not registered, used, displayed, or exploited in contravention or violation of these policies or any other policies regarding .cc and .tv, in contravention of the laws of any jurisdiction where the Domain Name is accessible, or for any unlawful purpose, including, but not limited to, child pornography, child entrapment or abuse, advocacy of hatred, bigotry, or violence towards persons or groups on the basis of their religion, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, or other immutable characteristics, theft of email service, or as a source of unsolicited bulk email or as an address to use for replying to unsolicited bulk email;

B. Ensure that the registration, use, display, and exploit of any Domain Name is done in good faith, and in accordance with international, federal, and state laws and regulations;

C. Not publicly offer, advertise, or otherwise make available the delegation of subdomains from the Domain Name;

D. Recognize that the use of the Domain Name may be subject to applicable laws in all jurisdictions in which the Domain Name is used or accessible, including those concerning trademarks and other types of intellectual property"

"Reservation of Rights

Verisign expressly reserves the right to deny, cancel, or transfer any Domain Name registration that it deems necessary in its discretion: (i) to protect the integrity and stability of the registry; (ii) to comply with any applicable laws, government rules or requirements, requests of law enforcement; (iii) in the event a Domain Name is used in violation of these policies and any other policies regarding .tv and .cc and; (iv) in compliance with any dispute resolution process, or to avoid any liability, civil or criminal, on the part of Verisign and its affiliates, subsidiaries, officers, directors, and employees. Verisign also reserves the right to lock a Domain Name during resolution of a dispute"

Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Ja-Si-Da 7/28/11 4:49 AM
Er...Steven. What Tahir's saying is that $30 to purchase a domain, plus the monthly hosting fees, are an enormous expense for most of the world's population. A full month's income. Not where you live, of course, but very little of the world is like that. That's why companies like .co.cc are so attractive to many legitimate users.

Unfortunately, in the activities where .co.cc makes its money, which it must to keep going, things may not be so clear-cut. And unfortunately, it's guys like Tahir who get hurt.

And that is the real issue, for the people who've actually been affected by this.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Steven Lockey 7/28/11 5:15 AM
http://www.123-reg.co.uk/  (I have no connection with them btw)

.info domains - £1.99 per year...... (approx $3)   - So about the same as .co.cc

Even a .com or .org is only £9.99 a year. (approx $15)

I don't disagree it would have been nice to not hurt the guys like Tahir, but at the end of the day it's not Google responsibility to account for them or make amends for the fact they have been decieved by .co.cc and hurt by it's practices and lack of monitoring of the sub-domains they sell.

Also again, it's NOT Google's responsibility to make sure these people have access to cheap domains, its something their local government should be looking into. Blaming Google because they haven't and .co.cc are trying to exploit this isn't really fair. What the people who need the domains should be doing is encouraging their government to help them increase their prosperity via the websites, since it would also help the country's economy it seems silly for them not to.

Remember that as far as the web is concerned, every site on .co.cc is a single giant website. If one gets affected, they all do.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 7/28/11 5:15 AM
>>> Is there any pressure on Google from .com
>>> or commercial domain hosting sellers?


No. I say so because it's obvious a "service" like co*cc (that's where the penny goes) could never reach the status of a real competitor of real domain sellers and hosters (that's where the dollar goes). They're not even selling domains, they're just selling subdomains on their single second level domain.

-luzie-
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Tahir Jamil 7/28/11 5:20 AM
@ Mr. Steven Lockey, thanks for taking interest and your long answers.
>>Effectively you are saying your Freedom of Expression is more important than's Google's. Doesn't work that way I'm afraid.
I did not say that my opinion is more important than Google but at least it should be given deserving weight
>>their track record on this is quite a bit better than your's unless you happen to own a mutli-billion dollar company that has grown from nothing in 10years approx.
I know reality. How can I compare myself to multi-billion company? Dear we are poor family trying to keep our survival. Google is success story. It does not mean they are philanthropists.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Ja-Si-Da 7/28/11 5:24 AM
Tahir! Try proposing free domains to google.org. They do have a philanthropic aspect (some would say it's to save on taxes, but it's there). Maybe some good can come out of this horrible saga.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Tahir Jamil 7/28/11 5:29 AM
@Steven @ Ja-Se-Da >>And that is the real issue, for the people who've actually been affected by this.
Yes people are affected. Leaving aside cost, it is matter of shifting all sites and their ranking. Cost matters as we cannot register as much domains as we been using with co.cc. As Steven said that co.cc are subdomain but I have seen that Google picked co.cc almost as domain. His arguments tell that full domain has more advantages. What about blogspot.com? How Google rank it. It sites lack features which Wordpress sites provide. What if we shift our blogs to blogspot.com
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Tahir Jamil 7/28/11 5:43 AM
>>What the people who need the domains should be doing is encouraging their government to help them increase their prosperity via the websites, since it would also help the country's economy it seems silly for them not to.
It is very wise argument. I always try to do so by reaching every official in Pakistan and USA. You may check my profile on Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/tahir.jamil.lahore.pakistan
I want to be very clear at this stage. Whether we use blogspot or any other free domain service for not to be betrayed in future?  
For me purchasing two .com domain looks feasible but not five so combining sites is another solution.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Ja-Si-Da 7/28/11 5:45 AM
Good luck Tahir. Although, if you're running the same sort of business through 5 websites, you run the risk of getting banned whether it's a free domain or not. Best to combine all your sites into 1, that's the safest way.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? GordonP2 7/28/11 6:01 AM
The Uk government went in with Google and BT to give out free .co.uk addresses to UK small businesses, so its not a pipedream, all down to who runs what country and what their objective was in getting power.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Ja-Si-Da 7/28/11 6:20 AM
Maybe Google should just do it off their own bat, without government involvement. That'd convince quite a few of their philanthropic motives. It'd be really, really cool of them actually. Wonder wot on earth they thinking of when they did it in the uk though. Bizarre thinking.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? GordonP2 7/28/11 7:05 AM
"Wonder wot on earth they thinking of when they did it in the uk though. Bizarre thinking."
 
I think the UK Government paid for it, Google just gave access to hosting through their Google sites program. Thats the point, a countries governement should not allow its own people to be priced out of their own countries TLD.
 
If someone wanted to target a differnt TLD, then its up to them,
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Tahir Jamil 7/28/11 7:49 AM
Thanks Ja-Si-Da, websites were on different topics so they cannot be banned. How to merge web designing, articles, tuition, marriage and diuseasesymptoms sites into one? What you think about blogspot.com. Some people consider them spamy but they are under Google control. They check it themselves. Are blogspot.com site productive? Can Google disable their own free hosting service? It does not provide good features like Wordpress but whether they are SEO friendly as far as Google indexing is concerned. People say that blogspot site rarely appears in top ten
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 7/28/11 7:57 AM
>>> Are blogspot.com site productive?

That depends completely on how good, unique and popular content is, regardless of whether it is hosted on blogspot or whereever else.


>>> Can Google disable their own free hosting service?

They could - but they surely won't ... :D (They have safeguards against spam, scam and malware, and they'll react far quicker and effectively to dangerous content than co*cc has done).


>>> but whether they are SEO friendly
>>> as far as Google indexing is concerned.


Of course. "SEO-friendliness" doesn't really depend on any system properties nowadays anymore.

>>> People say that blogspot site rarely appears in top ten

That's probably because valuable content usually tends to have it's own domains, leaving a free service like blogspot to hobby webmasters.

-luzie-
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Steven Lockey 7/28/11 7:57 AM
You still only need 1 domain.

Simply buy one domain and make 5 sub-domains on it, one for each topic.

So long aren't putting low quality stuff on any of the sites then you shouldn't have any problems doing this.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Ja-Si-Da 7/28/11 8:19 AM
Think you can get those for $5/month for 20 subdomains at servage .net or places like that. Might even be $5/month for 20 shared tld's. Dunno, haven't checked recently. Not much difference between what .co.cc's offering, I suppose, but perhaps less hassle.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Tahir Jamil 7/28/11 8:20 AM
>>Valuable content usually tends to have it's own domains, leaving a free service like blogspot to hobby webmasters.
You are right but see best type of professional (The Gurus) these days try to earn by AdSense. They like free thing if good. Tell me if there are same type of content on equal PR website than who will come up .com or blogspot.com. Be practical! I mean what is in vogue practically.
>>Simply buy one domain and make 5 sub-domains on it, one for each topic.
Thanks, but then they will become sub-domains which are available free. .com are good for SEO purposes for example web design Pakistan will bring webdesignpakistan.com first
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Steven Lockey 7/28/11 8:38 AM
>They like free thing if good.

Kinda the point .co.cc isn't good.

>Tell me if there are same type of content on equal PR website than who will come up .com or blogspot.com. Be practical! I mean what is in vogue practically.

There is no difference in ranking based on TLD as far as I'm aware other than the Geotargetting. PR also has NO affect on ranking.


>Thanks, but then they will become sub-domains which are available free. .com are good for SEO purposes for example web design Pakistan will bring webdesignpakistan.com first

The difference is, you know and control what is on the sub-domains of a site, so you can make sure there isn't the kind of spammy crap on it that gets domains banned.... like what happened here. Also there is nothing stopping you using the main domain as well for one of the sites.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Tahir Jamil 7/28/11 10:11 AM
>>Simply buy one domain and make 5 sub-domains on it, one for each topic.
Thanks for all discussion. There are very topics over internet which describes these issues clearly. Firstly, we lose SEO advantage of domain description. There are not very clear policies about domain, sub-domains and their value in indexing and SEO. For example I make five subdomains of one domain then whether these sub-domains will have equal value as domain. Previously, you told that sub-domain cannot have same standing as full domain. Further, different types of contents in each sub-domain need separate sitemaps. So, whether they will be considered equal to full domains
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Ja-Si-Da 7/28/11 11:03 AM
>>">They like free thing if good."

Uh...starting off & knowing nothing & having no money, I got an almost-free domain & almost-free reseller hosting. Then, I got a more expensive domain & almost-free hosting. Then, I got even cheaper reseller hosting. Then, I got slightly more expensive expensive hosting.

All these free and almost-free things gave me a serious headache at least once a year, and got my site banned at least twice. These people who give things away for free or almost-free are all making money somehow, and not telling you how. Their advertising does not disclose everything.

So now, I've just gone for the most expensive hosting I can afford. I understand how the company works, I understand how they make their money, and it's reasonable. And their service is amazing.

So I'd say, avoid anything bright & shiny that says "FREE!". In my experience, they're hiding something, and it's usually hidden away in the fine print. Everyone has to make money, to expect otherwise is foolish.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 7/28/11 7:46 PM
This is General Manager from co.cc.


@ Steven Lockey===============================

Verisign is not Registrar.
http://www.internic.net/registrars/registrar-100.html
Again, don't you understand what you wrote it as below?

>>Use of the Domain Name
>>"For each Domain Name registered by Registrar (on behalf of itself or a Registrant), Registrar shall: "

As you know, xxx.blogspot.com have about 70%~80% that have been just setting there without any caring.
Again, there are also many .blogspot.com that thru Google Adwords for display purpose only.
On the other words, those are actually low-quality or spammy sites.


@  luzie ======================================

>>They have safeguards against spam, scam and malware, and they'll react far quicker and effectively to dangerous content than co*cc has done.

It is your prejudice.

As I wrote, We have used "Google GSB" and we looked up all .co.cc domains.
Therefore, we found out 456 .co.cc subdomains. It is only 0.005%.

What do you think how much rate of malware or phishing site in .blogspot.com?
What do you think how much rate of malware in blogspot.com is less than 0.005%?


- co.cc -
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 7/29/11 12:27 AM
>>> It is your prejudice

http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2006/09/our-approach-to-content.html


>>> What do you think how much rate of
>>> malware in blogspot.com is less than 0.005%


As has been said, malware likely was a minor reason to ban you, it was the huge amount of spam that got you busted.

-luzie-
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 7/29/11 1:26 AM
@ luzie

>> "huge"
>> "bust"
>> "react far quicker and effectively to dangerous content than co*cc has done"

Yor point of view was based on ignorance and prejudice. Do you have any data?

As you know, .blogspot.com have about 70%~80% that have been just setting there without any caring.
Again, also many .blogspot.com have been made to display Google Adwords "for purpose only".
On the other words, those are actually low-quality or spammy sites.

Is it huge?

Could you calculate how many percentage of spammy .co.cc subdomain?
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Ja-Si-Da 7/29/11 1:28 AM
James, you're unlikely to get an answer from Google by posting on this forum. Very few users here work for Google, and you're likely to get some rude opinions and a headache.

Seems to me your only real option is to start all over again, but with an altered model and stricter quality controls, and more moderate advertising claims.

You still have many legitimate users whose sites you could transfer to new subdomains. It'd probably only take 3 months for them to get listed again.Perhaps make money by insisting, as a condition of your free service's provision, that they run a limited number of adsense ads on their sites, and you get the revenue. Who knows, it might even be more profitable than the last model. Well, that's just a (hopefully positive) suggestion, anyway.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 7/29/11 1:33 AM
>>> Your point of view was based on ignorance and prejudice.

Yes, of course. That's why I have been banned and you not ... or was it you and me not?? (Don't remember)
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Steven Lockey 7/29/11 1:50 AM
Well JamesKim, All I can really say is that the level of ignorance and prejudice you have display here is far great than what Luzie has. With you in charge it now seems quite clear why there is so much spam on .co.cc.

You have two choices:

1- Clear out the spam, crappy content, phishing stuff off .co.cc
2- Put up with the ban.

Your choice.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Ja-Si-Da 7/29/11 2:54 AM
Maybe if the spam did get cleared up, he could simply put in a normal reinclusion request for the domain.

That seems fairly reasonable to me hactually, and one of the routine pieces of advice that gets given out on this forum. All a bit of a storm in a teacup.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 7/29/11 3:23 AM
Important thing is the fraction.

What "as spam" you consider  are mostly Amazon Associates websites.
But as you know, Amazon Associates is not spam.
If Amazon Associates is considering as spam, "AdSense for Domains" is also considering as spam.

Do you think that "Amazon Associates" is spam?
Do you think that "AdSense for Domain parking" is spam?
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Ja-Si-Da 7/29/11 3:31 AM
Yes, but James, one of the most routine pieces of advice you'll find on this forum is to focus on your own site, and how to improve it, rather than to think about other sites, over which you have no control.

There's nothing wrong with offering free hosting, as long as it doesn't result in a lot of infringements of Google's guidelines (if, indeed Google is important to you), and in particular, people who use your service for phishing. And as long as everything's clear and open in your advertising.

You've got more users than most people would even dream of getting. They're valuable somehow, there must be something you can do with what you've got.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 7/29/11 3:32 AM
>>> Do you think that "Amazon Associates" is spam?

If it's done like spam, it is spam.


>>> Do you think that "AdSense for Domain parking" is spam?

Yes, I think it's spam ^^ (That doesn't make other spam any better, though)

-luzie-
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 7/29/11 3:42 AM
There is another big spam-dexing like Amazon associates.

http://www.google.com/search?q=site:cgi.ebay.com

What do you think?
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Ja-Si-Da 7/29/11 3:53 AM
I don't. Just because they haven't yet been penalised for spam, it doesn't mean they won't be. Who knows, maybe in 6 months they'll be in the position you now face.

I think Steven Lockely gives very good advice above: Clear out the spam, or put up with the ban.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Steven Lockey 7/29/11 3:59 AM
Have you looked at those pages?

Most of them contain decent content, which isn't spammy or duplicated.

There is no reason for them to NOT be indexed.

There is a reason for the crappy content that adds nothing to the web on .co.cc to be removed.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 7/29/11 4:14 AM
@ Steven Lockey

Do you think that Amazon associates is not decent content?

Do you think that Amazon Associates is crappy content?
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Steven Lockey 7/29/11 4:31 AM
>Do you think that Amazon associates is not decent content?

>Do you think that Amazon Associates is crappy content?

This would depend on the ACTUAL CONTENT.... a amazon affiliate link is NOT content.

If the amazon Affiliate content link just has copy/pasted text from the amazon page or elsewhere on the web, then its crappy content.

If the amazon affiliate has decent, unique content as well as the link THEN it is decent content.

The fact it is an affiliate site doesn't matter, its the content that matters. This is REALLY REALLY basic search engine stuff...... I am shocked that someone running a net based service provider doesn't know these really really basic things that should of been researched before the company even started up.......
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 7/29/11 4:45 AM
>>> There is another big spam-dexing like Amazon associates.

Look, all that doesn't make your site less spammy :-(
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? wejonk 7/29/11 5:04 AM
Do you think that Amazon associates is not decent content?
Do you think that Amazon Associates is crappy content?

I do understand your frustration about Google de-indexing your domain. However I do not believe that Amazon associates are by definition crap or spam. Nor do I believe that advertisement in general is scrap or spam. That is, advertisement is an important factor that lead to a great opportunities for businesses and did boost the internet as whole. However web sites that are made for advertisement and do not present unique content or do not give the online community any added value shouldn't be in the search results Google presents to their visitors.

Therefore instead of looking at specific advertisement try to set good Guidelines and enforce them. That is, look at your own product and organisation. In still other words, you are better off staying within your own core competencies. I hope you will succeed in bringing a great cc*co product that people love without the reputation of being a company that facilitates spam and crappy content. 
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Ja-Si-Da 7/29/11 5:05 AM
>>"Do you think that Amazon associates is not decent content?"


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Ok?
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? bebefuzz 7/29/11 6:40 AM
co.cc websites are awful. I'm currently being attacked by one.

They are using my site HerveLegerObsessed.com in Google ads to redirect to a spammy counterfeit seller (and, yes, I know it's counterfeit). The ad shows up in google searches.

I don't want to be associated with illegal counterfeits, and it seems this redirect is also significantly negatively affecting my Google pagerank.

On July 18th, searches for my domain (eg. "herve leger" and "herve leger authenticate") began showing an ad on the side that purported to be sponsored from my exact domain (including the .com).  

The ad link is:

http://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&ai=CsE7Cir0lTt2bNMWh0AGf9cWnDfr5q_kBgvjXiRvxvbqqSBACKARQoIiU3AZgyY7Gh-CjtBDIAQGpAr5g5yY2xIQ-qgQfT9D6OxpNi_2zsCNPzt24RSRwk4YBrtjqWN0yfYtssQ&num=2&sig=AGiWqtysOjMMa2BdFAsQOYi-wWGTLvWGMw&ved=0CBAQ0Qw&adurl=http://www.hpihgthky.co.cc&rct=j&q=herve%20leger%20obsessed&cad=rja

Which redirects from this (spammy?) site:  

http://www.hpihgthky.co.cc

To:

http://www.officialhervelegermall.com/


On July 26th, one week after sending in a redirect ad issue, the offending redirect ad was taken down. For some reason, my Google rank shot right back up. :)

Then, just yesterday the same adsense user puts it up AGAIN! My google pagerank is now back to low! There *seems* to be a correlation...

Here's their redirect:
http://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&ai=CKuTVrJ0yTub3FcP3tgfY85DdC_r5q_kBgvjXiRvxvbqqSBABILZUKAhQoIiU3AZgyZbLh-CjtBDIAQGpAuXD6W8u2oQ-qgQdT9C9TfyQWr0roAEweUzfGSxOcD2uuSL5NdZLg4mABZBO&num=4&sig=AOD64_2YmlZZx5uO_kRwlFfdCyLY1Zp7Lw&ved=0CA0Q0Qw&adurl=http://www.hpihgthky.co.cc&rct=j&q=herve%20leger&cad=rja

They clearly shouldn't be able to use my site address to redirect to theirs; this is becoming a tug and war game.
I have submitted an advertising policy complaint into Google... but will have to wait for another week to see if their offending ad is taken down.

THIS IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE why these co.cc websites are HORRIBLE. I am really beginning to HATE them.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 7/31/11 7:56 PM
This is General Manager from co.cc.


@Steven Lockey
@luzie =================================

You didn’t believe that malware domain rate is less than 0.01%.
But "Google GSB" has only 456 of malware co.cc. This means that 99.99% is no problem.

Also, the spam or low-quality site rate in .co.cc is not higher than your preconception.
We have block spam sites that we got this information from many vaccine companies.
I am sure that the spam or low-quality site rate is not higher than .blogspot.com or wordpress.com

Although there are few problems, it is not right to annihilate the 10 millions .co.cc.
It is a genocide.

- co.cc -
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? seo101 7/31/11 8:03 PM
which bit of "its not the malware" that you have been repeatedly told do you not get?
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? KORPG Kevin 7/31/11 10:24 PM
@JamesKim

Genocide:
Noun: The deliberate killing of a large group of people, esp. those of a particular ethnic group or nation.

De-list:
Verb: What Google did in protecting their search results from the low quality co.cc subdomains.

Overreaction:
Noun: an excessive reaction; a reaction with inappropriate emotional behavior.

Sheesh, nobody died from the de-listing of your domain.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Steven Lockey 8/1/11 2:27 AM
>You didn’t believe that malware domain rate is less than 0.01%.
>But "Google GSB" has only 456 of malware co.cc. This means that 99.99% is no problem.

No, like we've pointed out to you 5+ times already WE AREN'T TALKING ABOUT MALWARE
IT WASN'T THE MALWARE WHICH GOT .CO.CC REMOVED
IT ISN'T THE MALWARE WHICH IS CAUSING YOU A PROBLEM.

I hope you can stop repeating your same mantra over and over again now because we don't care about Malware, it isn't an issue.

The crap spam with no real content is the problem. A lot of them are destinations of malware rather than carrying it themselves but that is irrelevant.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? JamesKim 8/1/11 3:46 AM
@Steven Lockey

I hope you can stop shouting.

I hope you can read more carefully..
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Steven Lockey 8/1/11 4:05 AM

>You didn’t believe that malware domain rate is less than 0.01%.
>But "Google GSB" has only 456 of malware co.cc. This means that 99.99% is no problem.

I can, it appears you can't.

You may have 99.99% clear of malware..... you also have 99.99% full of useless SPAM crap.

So you can keep talking about malware all your like, you are the only one at all talking about malware and no matter how many times you repeat it, it won't make any difference. The malware sites aren't the ones causing the problem here.

Heres what you should do:

1- Learn how domains and sub-domains work and the differences between the two.
2- Clear the spammy, crappy and MFA (made for adsence) sites from your domain.
3- Monitor new sites to make sure they aren't this kind of crappy site.
4- Actually read the Google guidelines and try and make sure none of the sites on your domain breach it.

Running a sub-domain farm like this is actually more time consuming than running a domain registar, as YOU are responsible for anything put on a subdomain of your domain. Unlike with full domains, they are all under the same overall domain and so one site can affect all of the other sites.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Ja-Si-Da 8/1/11 4:45 AM
Hey, I heard that spam is actually an acronym for Super Professional Advertising Method. But I heard that from a spammer, so it might be wrong.

I really wish James would stop going on about these other domains which he has no control over. He can't change them, but he can do something about his, which I'm sure many people around the world would love him for.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Steven Lockey 8/1/11 5:26 AM
Unfortunately its sounds like James would rather just moan about how unfair the world is rather than actually do anything to correct the problems on this domain from his comments.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? wejonk 8/1/11 10:13 AM
James would rather just moan about how unfair the world is

Not really. That is, otherwise he wouldn't start a thread here, would he.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? bebefuzz 8/1/11 10:32 AM
uh... I think just starting a thread in a forum IS moaning.
Creating policies and mandating policies would be "doing something."
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Ja-Si-Da 8/1/11 2:20 PM
So what about this SPAM = Super Professional Advertising Method? I peed myself when I heard that one. Anyone? Anyone?
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? seo101 8/1/11 2:26 PM
no no no SPAM = Sites Positioned Above Mine
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Ja-Si-Da 8/1/11 11:55 PM
lol
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Steven Lockey 8/2/11 1:10 AM
Stupid People Attempting Marketing ;)
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Ja-Si-Da 8/2/11 1:35 AM
hahahahaha!
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Ja-Si-Da 8/2/11 1:39 AM
Some People Are Muppets
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 8/2/11 1:53 AM

Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? pierrefar 8/2/11 1:55 AM
Hello everyone

Please let's stick to the topic at hand and keep it clean :)

Pierre
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? hendrytha 8/3/11 10:44 AM
cyberspace herein may be the same as laws of the universe is said to google search engine controllers of search activities
"What else ya want us there in the shade for its own co.cc ga no right to come back it's how to master it" may be right bloog facebook negatipnya side too much, my country of Indonesia a lot of kidnapping rape because each person know through facebook that even scams bloog that offer goods and services
okk "it can not be prevented between elements negativ in cyberspace and the real world. is the balance between positive and negative (+-)"
I also use. co.cc 'www.hendrytha.co.cc because I'm using this domain for free because I am a poor and say that I want to have an income from the internet.
so what if google want deindex co.ccc again I just folk
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Al JR 8/3/11 12:11 PM
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? farah.jira 8/3/11 2:15 PM
Well I was actually using a co.cc domain called aoetrainer. I did that because I don't have money to pay for my Age of Empires 2 (an almost dead game) hobby. I am very upset to find out that my domain is set as "blocked". I don't care about Google because the people I interact with don't need to google my website, they just type it in. Although I think Google made a big mistake blocking so many subdomains, I can see both sides of the issue: block co.cc & reduce spam, or block only those who actually are reported as bad. I would have went with the second one, but that's going to be costly (I assume).

As far as JamesKim is concerned - I find it disgusting that you suspended my account without giving me an explanation, yet you come here and complain about the same type of behavior on behalf of Google. Also, your website does not allow for profile editing after registration (I decided to try your free service but didn't want to get my email address sold to spammers so I used a disposable one) - which is a major inconvenience for those of us who care about decreasing spam levels...

Bottom line, this decision definitely affected legitimate users as well. The problem is - people don't give a damn and neither does Google because:
1. Webmasters seem to associate co.cc with spam, porn, phishing and so on. (honestly I've yet to receive phishing mail linking to a co.cc domain)
2. Google is a big company and seems to have the lead (still). That alone makes them cocky and ignorant.
3. Google knows there won't be a class action suit against it for erasing however many legitimate subdomains of co.cc because it was a free service in the first place. Therefore we have low budgets, low expectations, and don't feel too bad about looking for another solution.
4. Google obviously couldn't care less about its users since they didn't even bother to make an official announcement about co.cc and (wouldn't it be nice?) actually extend an apology to us legitimate users.

Furthermore, this begs the question: how many website are being blocked from Google results on a regular basis and the owner can't do squat about it? Sure, throw the old "well that website was serving child pron" at me, but ask yourself: is there really anything that's stopping Google from erasing any website regardless of its content?
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? KORPG Kevin 8/3/11 2:24 PM
> is there really anything that's stopping Google from erasing any website regardless of its content?

Nope. As a private Company, their search results belong solely and wholly to them. They could conceivably delist anyone without a second thought.
However, ask yourself this: For what purpose would Google delist sites if they didn't think it would benefit their customers?
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? farah.jira 8/3/11 2:43 PM
Here's a few examples KORPGKevin:

1. Google employee John who has access to results database wants to take revenge at his ex-girlfriend and thus removes all of the indexed pages for her domain john-is-a-douche.com.
2. Receive bribe money from companies that want to be ahead of their competition
3. Some pinhead lawyer working for the entertainment industry reports a website to Google and thus Google removes it to please the pinhead lawyer and ultimately avoid liability (if you didn't know the entertainment industry now makes laws through their puppet government officials - go through demandprogress.org)
4. Just because they can
5. To put its competitors at a disadvantage: google "translate". The first result will be Google Translate, not Bing Translator (http://www.microsofttranslator.com/). Hell, that's not even on the first page of results. Sure that's not complete removal, but it's favoritism to their own business
6. Because a friend of a manager of whatever department within Google wants to take down its competitor website and asks that favor of the aforementioned manager.
7. Because nobody keeps a tab on Google or its fairness
8. Because nobody has enough money to bother this giant now
9. ....

You get the point. Once you realize that nothing really can stop Google from deindexing whoever they wany you can't be naive enough to ask "why would they do it if it doesn't benefit their customers?" What customers? Google Apps for Business customers? Because as far as I know the rest of it is free to the public. If you ask me, Google is in a very rough spot. It's all a matter of time. The more people gets pissed off, the more will flee to another search engine.

FYI, Yahoo! search has not deemed necessary to deindex all of co.cc subdomains and neither did Aol search, bing, and whatever other search engine out there that's not using Google as their result provider.

Also, being that most people who commented on this are pro co.cc ban doesn't mean this is the overall consensus about this rash and stupid decision. There's other legitimate users who suffer: http://techgopal.com/2011/07/google-block-co-cc-free-domains/
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? KORPG Kevin 8/3/11 2:49 PM
But if you follow the logical conclusion of those possibilities, then Google would be essentially shooting itself in the foot by sending searchers to another (more valid) engine. Hence the question. Google is a household name because of search, not in spite of it. Manipulation of the search results for any reason other than to provide a better result for the searcher isn't likely to be in the company's best interest.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? seo101 8/3/11 3:05 PM
"legitimate users who suffer"

NOPE! The legitmate searcher actually benefits from this as there is less crap polluting the search results!
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? farah.jira 8/3/11 3:15 PM
Who are they sending to other search engines? People that they piss off: competitors, disgruntled ex-girlfriends, people like me who had a legitimate co.cc website. I doubt you can call that a loss if thinking about Google's best interest.

Anyway, arguing for the sake of the argument has never been my thing. I respect your view on it, like I previously mentioned, but there's another side to the story and I suggest you try to put yourself in those shoes as well.

My only two points are:
1. Bad decision
2. No way of reversing it

I thoroughly believe you agree with my second point. The first one is something that is very subjective to the side of the fence you're on. If you own a paid .com domain, I'm very happy for you not only because you made a smarter choice than I did (by going with co.cc) but because you are making enough money to support that and its hosting. If you own a free domain, then my friend you will most likely understand why it isn't in your best interest to be labeled something you're not regardless of what you say.

PS: Imagine if your ex-girlfriend found a way to control a Google geek :) </joke>
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? farah.jira 8/3/11 3:19 PM
@seo101 you need to read my post again, you missed the point unfortunately. It's ok though, I don't need to convince you of your ignorance.

As a side note, I've never had a problem finding my way around polluting search results using google. It's simple: better keywords. I can assure you that you don't get any pollution when you search for "furniture store near 02101" or ".htaccess redirect non-www to www". You get pollution when you search for illegal things or porn or whatever else your interests are.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? seo101 8/3/11 3:20 PM
"you missed the point unfortunately. It's ok though, I don't need to convince you of your ignorance."

You need to remove your tin foil hat.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Lozu 8/3/11 4:51 PM
As an owner running Chat 'n' Go (chatngo.co.cc), staff members their was unhappy.
I should say, not all co.cc user used its domain incorrectly. why not just block the once who use incorrectly.
I do agree low-quality sites are rarely exposure due to falling into behind of dominant searches.
thankyou,
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? farah.jira 8/3/11 5:07 PM
seo101 useless, but funny. :)
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 8/4/11 12:21 AM
>>> 6. Because a friend of a manager of whatever
>>> department within Google wants to take down
>>> its competitor website and asks that favor of
>>> the aforementioned manager.


Don't know where you're coming from, Farah Jira, but mind that Google is in the US, not in Syria ^^
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Steven Lockey 8/4/11 1:26 AM
Google only blocked ONE domain, thats actually ONE website. The fact .co.cc had used it in a way that crammed thousands of sites onto one website is .co.cc thing not a Google thing.

Farah - Yes and a lightning bolt could hit you in the head on a clear day. And?

My only two points are:
1. Good decision
2. Get .co.cc to sort the problem and its fixed.

For any of the businesses affected, I already posted higher up where you can get a REAL domain for the same price as .co.cc are offering a sub-domain, why don't you use it. I found that in a 20 sec search, I'm sure there are lots more like it.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? farah.jira 8/4/11 6:07 AM
@luzie I would be very careful Mr. Said scenarios are most definitely possible regardless of where the company operates. Plus, it's not even a government company, it's a private one. All the easier to do all those things.

@Steven Lockey Don't you get it? It's not just "one" domain. It's thousands of people using a separate subdomain. I'm talking people like you and I. Regular people. Not spammers from Syria (clueless blame on Syrian people because I don't know anything about them :D ), not phishing emails from Romania, Nigeria, China, you name it! Those send you links hosted on any number of servers who have a "real" domain as you call it (TLD) but have just had poor security and were breached. That doesn't mean we should de-index all websites hosted on that block of IPs (or that IP alone because there's more shared hosting than anything else). But you and I are not Google.

You solution for businesses is most obvious my friend, and although appreciated, I'm sure 99.9% of the people have had that figured out. That still doesn't tackle/fix the issue at hand, which is: (and I quote)
     "Google here has acted like a monopolist on a small matter" (http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Webmasters/thread?hl=en&tid=10735eb11a40c0c8&start=200)

And that may not bother you today because it happens to match your desire, but it may come around and bite you in the ass.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? Steven Lockey 8/4/11 6:37 AM
>@Steven Lockey Don't you get it? It's not just "one" domain. It's thousands of people using a separate subdomain.

No, its ONE domain that has been used WRONGLY to put all these sites on it. There is a reason its setup like it is and .co.cc is exploiting a loophole. Thats all. Its not your fault I agree, but it's not Google's fault either. Its .co.cc's fault for doing this when (assuming they did any research at all) they must have known that they weren't meant to do this and it could cause problems later on.

Any other company is allowed to change it's website as they like, why are you deny Google the right to do the same?

>And that may not bother you today because it happens to match your desire, but it may come around and bite you in the ass.

No, because I actually do some research on things I don't understand before purchasing them, particularly if they are part of a business plan. It might help if you had done the same. Then you should of realised you could of purchased a real domain for the same price.

Of course the people who have a .co.cc aren't exactly happy about this, but at the end of the day, you should be blaming .co.cc for not telling you this could happen in the first place, that your website would be affect by every other website that they host... including all the spammy crappy ones and NOT telling you it would act like a .com which is quite clearly the case it doesn't. If they had kept the .co.cc domain unspammy and clean, then there wouldn't have been a problem to begin with. It's their irresponsible attitude which has caused the problem and forced Google to take action to counter it.

Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 8/4/11 6:39 AM
>>> it's a private one. All the easier to do all those things.

On the contrary. Employees there know exactly that they get instantly fired in such a case, plus they face danger of getting sued by the richest company on this globe. I'd guess nobody would dare to deliberately fall into this trap just to do a buddy a favour.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? hendrytha 8/4/11 7:31 AM
Let me now conclude from the first co.cc many top-ranked level in comparison with other domains in my country.
It could be jealousy or envy to see how co.cc always there in the early pages google.saya not know what abuses there so you deindek co.cc that your affairs
but now if a free domain is not allowed??
if you can buy my domain for me as educators in schools and plans to develop e learning technologies via the Internet and a g i have the money to teach not only income I have had a dream goal to develop the internet in the world of first-rate education, and basic puff. I just want to use co.cc limitations of money but it's because you deindex co.cc
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? farah.jira 8/4/11 7:31 AM
@Steven Lockey I get your point, and it's valid. But so is mine. Now that the harm is done, you can't just acquit Google's action because it's meant to do good (your view of good) and incriminate .co.cc for every single thing that went wrong.

Plus, you and I don't have any information about the exchange that went on between google and .co.cc. And apparently there was none since the General Manager of co.cc is the one who started the thread. That could mean that Google simply took the action independently of .co.cc, without prior notification or attempt to remedy the spammy situation.

It all depends on what side of the fence you are. You can argue that Google acted like a rogue monopolist as well as you can argue that Google acted in your best interest as a user. The point is which one of the sides matter most? Free speech or convenience?
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? farah.jira 8/4/11 7:33 AM
@luzie gullible. I'm sorry, but you are very very gullible. You must live in the US, never had to deal with any authorities other than your local PD, and your employers never mistreated you. That's not the reality. Look around.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? KORPG Kevin 8/4/11 7:45 AM
> Plus, you and I don't have any information about the exchange that went on between google and .co.cc. And apparently there was none since the General Manager of co.cc is the one who started the thread.

On the contrary, if you re-read this thread (long I know, so the page url is referenced below) you will find this from JamesKim:

>Google Anti-Malware Team informed us on October 13 2010 that we need to manage co.cc with webmaster tools.

So apparently there was at least some communication attempt from Google to co.cc
While we don't know the extent of that exchange, it would seem to refute your claim.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 8/4/11 7:47 AM
>>> without prior notification or attempt
>>> to remedy the spammy situation.


No, no, that's wrong. Look at what they themselves said in this very thread:


     "Google Anti-Malware Team informed us on October 13
      2010 that we need to manage co.cc with webmaster tools."

... but they rather chose to do nothing about it, either out of laziness, or out of ignorance or maliciously, who knows, irresponsible in any case.

-luzie-
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? farah.jira 8/4/11 7:52 AM
@KORPGKevin and @luzie My mistake, I did not read that (for whatever reason it escaped me). *I apologize*.

Why is the general manager complaining in his first post that he was not notified or worked with? Sheesh.

So the last issue remaining is: what about legitimate users? .co.cc is no different than blogspot.com or wordpress.com or any other service that offers subdomains for people's use.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 8/4/11 8:00 AM
>>> what about legitimate users?

If their sites are really valuable, they should host them elsewhere, either on own domains or on a reliable site like blogspot or wordpress, you yourself mention them. I'm confident many of them could also change their backlinks to point towards a new address, Google will eventually index and rank their new URLs, so not much is lost but a bit of time.

-luzie-
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? kernc 8/4/11 10:04 AM
just to be clear, JamesKim did respond to their request to use WT, and commented about it:

> Webmaster Tools lets webmasters find examples of URLs under their domains that may be distributing malware. But in the Webmaster Tools, there is no function that webmaster can find subdomain which are under their domains. Again, webmaster can find  domain.com/malware1 thru Webmaster Tools but cannot find malware1.domain.com. I suggest adding functions in Webmaster Tools that wildcard (*.domain.com) can add site or subdomain under their domains can be monitored.

to me, and I read very carefully, it seems co.cc is cooperating fully and did everything he was expected to in the past.

perhaps they should do more by themselves:
 - disallow AdSense for Domains or any sort of monetized parking (—f*cking domain squatters)
 - delete inactive subdomains after certain time
 - delete subdomains that have only PageRank 0 on first couple sites crawled from homepage after a couple of months of being online (likely MFA, linkfarms or too few in-links in the wild (likely phishing or other spam where links propagate mainly through email))
 - having seen recent donations list, carefully inspect every account who "buys" over 1000 domains, and if shady business, ban it. there's no SLA, there's no problem. :-)

co.cc will likely need to start monitoring their user's sites more and indeed start forcing them to make more quality sites. fortunately for all. :-)


aside, people in here who can't provide free favor-based progressive solutions are likely IRL losers. k,k.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 8/4/11 1:07 PM
>>> there is no function that webmaster can find
>>> subdomain which are under their domain


So? Isn't he the domain owner? Doesn't he have the corresponding TOS to shut down any subdomain that doesn't behave? He doesn't need no webmastertools to cleanse his site.

-luzie-
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? kernc 8/4/11 1:24 PM
omg, having 10+ millions of subdomains that 5+ million of your users control, how exactly do you learn which ones misbehave? you decrease unemployment rate by having labor do it manually?
if you have specific ideas that answer that question, James (and just everybody else) will certainly welcome them.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? KORPG Kevin 8/4/11 1:35 PM
So because they essentially lost control of their own content and became too big to manage their own domain, they should be given a pass on low quality sites?
That's a great idea. Surely nothing could go wrong with such a precedent....
So how many sub-domains does a domain owner need to create in order to be given the same pass? I'm certain more than a few spammers would welcome such an answer.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 8/4/11 1:40 PM
>>> ow exactly do you learn which ones misbehave?

Look, you learn that by having your domain banned on Google.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 8/4/11 1:42 PM
>>> if you have specific ideas that answer that question,
>>> James will certainly welcome them.

I bet you will. Can you pay a consultant?
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? kernc 8/4/11 1:57 PM
um, excuse me, this is a help forum. free help, free consultation. what exactly are you doing here besides nagging and accusing JamesKim of bad interest and whatnot?

I'm sure JamesKim would more than 'a free pass' prefer a way to know which subdomains Google considers spammy and thus which subdomains should co.cc block and what kind should they be blocking in the future. how to know – programmatically – that a subdomain is made for spam? a solution to this will benefit everyone.
Re: This is General Manager from CO.CC. why you deindex .co.cc? luzie 8/4/11 2:00 PM
>>> prefer a way to know which subdomains
>>> Google considers spammy


I'm quite confident he knows that by himself by now ... :-)
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