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What's Going on With Google Shopping?

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What's Going on With Google Shopping? businesstrader 5/2/13 11:21 PM
I've read the FAQs and searched the help center. 
My URL is: 


A couple of days ago Google Shop started appearing for the 2 main search terms only within my niche (as per my attachment). Its like they are only displaying Google shop for the massive traffic terms only......Very clever Google!

The weird thing I have noticed is that as soon as Google shopping ads started appearing, it literally doubled up all the urls for the page 1 generic listings (as per my attachment). Effectively pushing # 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 off page 1.

Anyone else seeing this for their main terms?
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? businesstrader 5/2/13 11:26 PM
Look at Google Shops heading......

Shop for 'business for sale' on Google and then displaying Microsoft products!

lol.....It doesn't even make sense!
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? Luke :) 5/3/13 3:54 AM
They are paid ads - probably have business as a keyword without any negatives set.
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? Been wrong before! 5/3/13 10:12 AM
Were you not happy with results of yesterdays thread .Why start a new one or better still l'm sure there is a i hate google out there somewhere.
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? Lysis 5/3/13 10:40 AM
Spammers gonna spam.
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? businesstrader 5/3/13 4:35 PM
Well, this thread is about observations I made regarding Google shopping and whether or not other people have experienced the same thing. The thread you are referring to doesn't not mention Google shopping.....at all! So unless you feel like making a quality contribution to this thread, I really do not see the need for you to leave useless comments.

And Lysis, thanks for your constructive criticism. Seriously! After reading your comments throughout this forum, I really wonder what it is you actually do? You seriously have a lot of time on your hands. You are either a very wealthy person with nothing to do, or simply a compulsive 'spammer', who is addicted to 'spamming' other peoples threads with useless comments.......just like this one.

Have a great day!
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? Luke :) 5/3/13 4:52 PM
I just noticed your profile pic - you have 2 business for sale websites ?
http://www.business-trader.com.au/ plus http://www.bizlistings.com.au/  - thats no good man , some may call that spam :(
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? businesstrader 5/3/13 5:04 PM
Business Trader was smashed by Penguin. So I started a new site (12 months ago), totally unique in every way (apart from being within the same niche). Matt Cutts said there are no issues owning multiple sites within one niche, as long as they a quality sites. 

I see this all of the time, in all niches, even with the same ip's.  If the algorithm thinks a site answers the query, it will be displayed.

So if you can articulate why you believe this is no good and why you think this is spamming, it would give your comment more authority, otherwise it is yet another spammy comment which does not address the thread (yet another attack with no contributing factors to this thread......sigh)
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? Lysis 5/3/13 5:49 PM
I just got called a spammer by a spammer. Mind officially blown.
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? businesstrader 5/3/13 7:13 PM
Lysis, your comments in this thread are 'junk news group postings' which offer no substance to my thread (original question).

If anyone disagrees with this meaning of 'spam' or 'spamming', I look forward to your comments.
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? Lysis 5/3/13 7:15 PM
Notice how No one disagrees? Cuz u a spammer brah.
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? businesstrader 5/3/13 7:21 PM
lol.....I only made that post like 2 minutes ago.......lol!

Also, the fact that no one disagrees means that they agree with my comments...........or????
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? Lysis 5/3/13 8:02 PM
Enjoy your penalty brah
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? businesstrader 5/3/13 8:05 PM
Penalty was revoked on November 28th 2012.
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? StevieD_Web 5/3/13 8:11 PM
Explain your sites in simple terms.....
 
I see your sites as an advertising media (product) for business owners to list their business for sale to others..
 
 
would that be a fair assessment?



Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? businesstrader 5/3/13 8:20 PM
That is correct StevieD.


Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? StevieD_Web 5/3/13 8:29 PM
then in the simplest terms any link found on your site(s) would be provided after payment for the listing (ie a paid link).

Do you nofollow tag the outbound links or neutralize the flow of PageRank through other means?
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? StevieD_Web 5/3/13 8:38 PM
I am working up a list of issues/problems/weaknesses etc that I commonly see with sites of your type/classification..... interested?
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? businesstrader 5/3/13 8:39 PM
Users who upload a business for sale can display their website url, but it is not a html link. It is not clickable. It is text only. Therefore it is not a paid link as you suggest. The link does not exist.

All other outbound links on my site are nofollowed, accept links within my wiki pages which point to authority sites like wikipedia or government sites.

Any reason why you are asking these questions? They have nothing to do with my original post (no offense, just not sure where you are trying to take this)
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? businesstrader 5/3/13 8:41 PM
Sure I am interested. I can most likely help you out a lot and answer any questions you are not sure about.

Do you have a similar site?

FYI - can you address my original post?
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? StevieD_Web 5/3/13 8:45 PM
The reason I asked that question..... and you provided me a satisfactory answer.... is that your listings are not editorially endorsed...... yes you might review the ad/listing for correctness, that the person listing the business is authorized to do so etc.... but you don't endorse this business versus another business.  In other words you accept $ for an ad (just like the NY Time) and unless there is major issues (ie the person is not authorized to sell the business) or the ad violates some sort of ethical/legal/religious etc guideline you display the ad.

Fundamentally the ad is to drive traffic to the selling entity (just like a car dealer's ad in the NYT is to drive eyeballs into the showroom) and any link you provide (html or text) is secondary to the ad itself.

Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? StevieD_Web 5/3/13 8:46 PM
to Google, ads/listings as I described must be nofollow tagged .... except you have rendered that issue moot because there is no click for the ad/listing.
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? businesstrader 5/3/13 9:02 PM
No offense, but you are offering me information I am already aware of. Hence the reason you were satisfied with my answer.

We have very strict guidelines before approving an advertisement, and proof of ownership is one of them.

Once again, not sure why you are asking these questions as they have no relevance to my original post.

I appreciate your feedback, though it is as if everyone is desperately looking to find an issue with my site so they can broadcast it in my thread...................

So where is the list of typical issues, problems and weaknesses you asked if I were interested in?????
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? StevieD_Web 5/3/13 9:05 PM
I just finished running Xenu on your site.......

No outbound link issues detected by Xenu.

Outbound link issues are pretty commonplace with ad/listing sites and I checked just to make sure that you/me were not missing something.


Anyway, Xenu found LOTS of other issues.... 1900+ broken/redirected links, short Page Titles, dup or near dup Page Titles, Alt Image tags that do not match the subject matter of the image, duplicated or near duplicate Meta Descriptions, excessive length MD etc that collectively are NOT helping the site
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? StevieD_Web 5/3/13 9:07 PM
If you read the forum you will find several big name media companies that have been penalized.....


I am looking at your site in the same manner that we looked at those sites (and were advised by Google).


Fair enough?
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? StevieD_Web 5/3/13 9:08 PM
I am looking at your site in the same manner that we looked at those sites (and were advised by Google).
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? StevieD_Web 5/3/13 9:18 PM
Reading through the site, I found this page



As I understand the page/intent, real estate/business brokers can develop/provide listings to your site for the purpose of driving traffic to their own products (listings).

Fair enough, legal/ethical etc.

That said, are you aware that the BBC and Hearst Media were both recently penalized (on a granular scale) for pages within their sites when/where the page developer generated links back to their respective pages on the BBC (or Hearst) site for the purpose of driving traffic to the BBC/Hearst internal pages and then forward to the developer's own product ?

Yes, both BBC/Hearst had nofollowed tagged the outbound links, but Google saw the attempt to drive traffic to the pages as an attempt to spam the respective pages higher in the search rankings.



Extending this idea forward.....

You accept a broker listing to drive traffic to the broker's site.  There is no outbound link, you stated and I checked, so there is no paid link issue.  All is good.

Except your client, in their eagerness to drive traffic to the product they are selling, starts buying links for the purpose of buying traffic.

You could get nailed and it ain't your fault.
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? StevieD_Web 5/3/13 9:19 PM
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? businesstrader 5/3/13 9:25 PM
Thanks for the feedback. Really appreciate it.

Google Webmaster Tools has indicated that there are no html issues for this site for a very long time. They detect nothing.  I'm running Xenu now. To double check.

Regarding the brokers, they are not advertising their website or company, they are only advertising their business listings (clients). These listings have absolutely no information about the broker firm. So, as a potential buyer, all they have access to is the listing phone number or they can email through a private contact form at the bottom of each listing. So our listing do not do not drive traffic to the brokers site. The broker have not purchased advertising with us to drive traffic to their company sites. Its impossible.

Also, I monitor my incoming links on a daily basis. If I see an unusual incoming link activity, I will disavow it amediately and notify Google of the situation. I am very anal about this, for obvious reasons.
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? StevieD_Web 5/3/13 9:26 PM
Good

Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? StevieD_Web 5/3/13 9:29 PM
another issue.... back to our broker friends

who provide you with content for a listing.  It is great content and you do little or no editing of the content. And you got duplicate content issues because the broker has provided the same exact information to dozens of other advertising venues.

Except you and I know most of the information that is provided to you is crap.  So you rewrite it into some meaningful.  And the broker who originated the crap content proceeds to copy your great text and submit it to dozens of other advertising venues.... creating another source of duplicate content problems.
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? businesstrader 5/3/13 9:34 PM
So as a result, there is no way possible that Google can interpret our broker listings are driving traffic (paid links) to the brokers site as mentioned above. It just does not exist.

We do not include external links in the advertisements of paying advertisers for the same reason.

We do not drive traffic in any way, shape or form to the sites or products of our advertisers.

We will not fall into the trap that the BBC got caught with.

Are you associated with any sites within my niche?
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? StevieD_Web 5/3/13 9:35 PM
basically what I am saying is you got potentially huge issues because you can't control the actions of who provides the content to you, what they do with the content after they provide it to you or what they may do with the content you re-write.

Worse, because of the type of site (ads/listings, minimal original content even when you massively rewrite the crap provided to you because ultimately Deli Shop for sale in Brisbane is a Deli Shop for sale in Brisbane) the impact of a single negative event is amplified.
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? StevieD_Web 5/3/13 9:36 PM
>Are you associated with any sites within my niche? 

No.

Not in any way.

Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? businesstrader 5/3/13 9:38 PM
Currently my listings have the 'unavailable after tag':

<meta name="GOOGLEBOT" content="unavailable_after: 02-June-2013 14:31:31 EST" />


This tells Google to de-index the page and to never come back or crawl again after a certain period of time, eliminating any chance of duplicate content issues. 
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? StevieD_Web 5/3/13 9:39 PM
>So as a result, there is no way possible that Google can interpret our broker listings are driving traffic (paid links) to the brokers site as mentioned above. It just does not exist. 

Correct.  But if you were a broker trying to sell a $10 million business and your commission is riding on the completion of the sale, would you be eager to find any possible method to land the sale?

Absolutely.  That is why they are listing their own big potential clients with your site.

And why the might want to drive traffic to your site (and everything other media outlet they have the property listed) in hopes of landing the sale.
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? StevieD_Web 5/3/13 9:42 PM
>eliminating any chance of duplicate content issues.

for the long term.  But for the next 30 days you got exposure.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


and I bet you provide that code to Google because the ad/listing has an expiration date a few days before.


(one of my clients is a newspaper... they sanitize their archives removing ads from clients who do not have an on-going contract) 
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? businesstrader 5/3/13 9:50 PM
The 'unavailable after tag' takes care of duplicate content, period! Yes the listing has exposure for 30 days, but then its gone for good! And no I don't do this just prior to a listing expiring. Some of our listings are for 6 months, and they are de-indexed after 30 days also.

<meta name="GOOGLEBOT" content="unavailable_after: 02-June-2013 14:31:31 EST" />


30 days is the perfect time for Google to see new/fresh content. By the time a customer could build potential harming links or Google could see it as duplicate and act on it, the page is gone.

And as I mentioned, the broker is only getting a phone call or an email via our site. If they try to build links to their particular advertisement url at our site, by the time Google finds these links, their page will be de-indexed, if not, I will see the links manually with my daily crawl, at which point I will disavow.

Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? businesstrader 5/3/13 9:53 PM
FYI - My Xenu report just finished:

0 bad local link(s) reported

0 orphan(s) reported

All pages, by result type:

ok  1650 URLs             
98.51%
invalid response   1 URLs0.06%
not found   5 URLs0.30%
skip type   19 URLs1.13%
Total  1675 URLs100.00%

Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? StevieD_Web 5/3/13 9:53 PM
>And as I mentioned, the broker is only getting a phone call or an email via our site

Which is what the broker wants.  He/she don't care about traffic, links or whatevers.  It is about conversion.  Converting a prospective buyer into an actual buyer and winning the commission.

If your site is useful for generating conversions then your site is going to be used.  And abused if it benefits the broker.
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? StevieD_Web 5/3/13 9:54 PM
I am NOT saying all brokers are bad.... but a single aggressive broker can damage your site.
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? StevieD_Web 5/3/13 9:56 PM
the bizlisting site?
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? businesstrader 5/3/13 10:00 PM
As I mentioned I am anal about incoming links for obvious reasons and crawl the site on a daily basis. If I see any unusual activity I will disavow and report to Google immediately!

I have the crawl set up and it notifies me same time, same day, with links gained and links lost. I spend a lot of time sifting though and if I see something inorganic/unnatural, its disavowed!

So what I am saying is that if a broker decides to waste their time and money by building links to their listing page on our site, I will know and take action.
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? StevieD_Web 5/3/13 10:09 PM
>So what I am saying is that if a broker decides to waste their time and money by building links to their listing page on our site, I will know and take action.

1) have you ever had an issue?  The fact that you are so engaged leads me to believe that you have had a prior problem.  Is the broker still listing with your site?

2)  Are you finding the links as fast as Google is finding the links?  Lets just assume not.  Which means the 24/48 hr gap could be detrimental




what about sharing your listing with others?   

Again, the same type of questions... have you every had a problem and is that broker still listing with you?

Are you finding the duplicates as fast as Google is finding the duplicates?




BTW, I am not accusing, I am just suggesting avenues of thought relative the problems other media type sites have encountered 





Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? StevieD_Web 5/3/13 10:15 PM
Your backlink profile looks pretty clean.

Also looks active in the additions/deletions.


That said, you might want to check out a few links being shown in Majestic



Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? businesstrader 5/3/13 10:26 PM
No I'm not interpreting as you accusing. Not at all. Why would you based on no evidence.

1) No I have never had an issue and I have never had a prior problem. I personally talk to and communicate with all brokers who use our site, which is only a handful. Our site is more targeted towards private sellers.

2) Lets say there is a 24/48 hour gap from Google finding inorganic links and myself. Who cares? as long as I am discovering them, disavowing them and reporting it to Google, it makes no difference when Google discovers them.

I do not share my listings with other sites. I see this is a popular trend with webmasters in my niche, however I never engage in such activity. And in the event that an advertiser advertises on more than 1 site, including our site, the 'unavailable after' tag will take care of that. I could even go one step further an noindex all listing pages and include a canonical tag, but we have had no issues. Google is not and has never found duplicate content.

Yes our link profile is very clean!

Why do 3 of our link types say deleted? Does that mean they have been removed?


http://www.skaffe.com/viewCat/11161 (this link is fine)
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? businesstrader 5/3/13 10:47 PM
After a deeper look, the 'deleted' links reported in Majestic is incorrect. Maybe Majestic just needs to crawl again.
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? StevieD_Web 5/3/13 10:47 PM
 (this link is fine)

I disagree.

I have done some fairly in depth link analysis on this forum (and other places).   When I have been told I was wrong, the comment was that I missed a link not that I removed a good link.
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? StevieD_Web 5/3/13 10:51 PM
>I do not share my listings with other sites.

not saying you do.... but if you do a bang up job rewriting some crap that was provided to you, what is to prevent the broker from purposely using your copy for their needs on other media sites?

(sure your contract may stipulate otherwise, but some peeps don't let a thing with ethics or contract get in their way of trying to land a big ticket commission)
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? StevieD_Web 5/3/13 10:57 PM
Hedir exists specifically to provide links and their editorial controls are lacking.


skaffe is way better than Hedir but http://www.skaffe.com/index2.php?latest=true is still lacks critical controls.
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? businesstrader 5/3/13 11:03 PM
not saying you do.... but if you do a bang up job rewriting some crap that was provided to you, what is to prevent the broker from purposely using your copy for their needs on other media sites?

Nothing is stopping them. Just like nothing is stopping anyone steeling content from anyone sites. It happens all of the time. Its up to the webmasters to do the best job possible to clean it up and it is also up to Google to make sure the site which stole the content is delt with accordingly.

Re the links, maybe I need to remove/disavow them........hmmm....I know these are not perfect links, but I didn't think they were dangerous.
Re: What's Going on With Google Shopping? JohnMu 5/6/13 5:09 AM
Hi Businesstrader

I'd strongly recommend focusing on a single site, it makes things much easier for you in the long run. Looking at your newer site (I think that's bizlistings, right?) I see you're using the "unavailable_after" robots meta tag & setting older listings to noindex (which is great!). I noticed that you have a bunch of empty search results pages, which is generally a bad user experience, eg: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Abizlistings.com.au+%22no+listings+match%22&filter=0 -- it would generally be better to put a noindex on those kinds of pages, so that they don't accidentally get indexed. Otherwise, I think this site is just ranking where it would naturally rank, so instead of focusing too much on technicalities, I'd really focus on making sure that your site is the absolute best of its kind. Resolving technical issues is always a great idea, but it's really even more important that your site itself is overall awesome. 

Cheers
John
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