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Phil Payne WendyTinley 12/17/12 3:08 PM
I've posted this in chitchat but I also thought this would be an appropriate place.
'I know nothing 'and I received a phone call today from Phil Payne's son Tom.
Phil took his own life on, or shortly, after 5th December.
There is no funeral planned - apparently Phil made that very clear to his family.
Graham and I knew Phil fairly well in the past three to four years, we found him to be highly intelligent, erudite, fluent in English and German, but also sad - he faded alot in the past year.
 
We last saw him about three weeks ago, when he called around unexpectedly with a gift for me. He seemed very flat and I said that to him then that he didn't seem to be taking very good care of himself. We had lunch, talked about Google and then he left...
R.I.P. Phil - you still had a lot to offer - so sorry you didn't feel the same way...

Re: Phil Payne WendyTinley 12/17/12 3:26 PM
The last few paragraphs on Phil's page says it all...
 
Re: Phil Payne Ashley 12/17/12 3:35 PM
Oh my.... Wendy...

Thank you for passing this along. This is incredibly sad. 
Re: Phil Payne I know nothing 12/17/12 3:37 PM
So sad...

This guy gave so much help, advice and constructive help to hundreds of people who had been struggling.

He found things many wouldn't have dreamed of looking in that direction, but often, that was exactly the direction to go in.

If anyone would care to take 15 minutes out of their life and read about his, I've created a link to Phil's last entry on his biog page:
http://www.isham-research.co.uk/biog.html#phil

A true "character" who left his mark on this world.
Re: Phil Payne WendyTinley 12/17/12 3:38 PM
Yes it is... it really is... :(
Re: Phil Payne Ashley 12/17/12 3:52 PM
Wendy - sorry, I closed out the original thread - I thought the redirect would just leave a link. 

I wanted to make sure everyone saw the link you posted - http://www.isham-research.co.uk/biog.html
Bittersweet - but you can definitely hear Phil's voice come through. 

He was at times ornery and sharp, but ALWAYS helpful and incredibly intelligent. He was an awesome force here - truly awesome. He definitely put me in my place a few times (thank goodness for that - I deserved it), but I have nothing but love and respect for him. 


Re: Phil Payne Richard Hearne 12/17/12 4:49 PM
Very sad to read this, although somewhat offset that you left on your own terms.

RIP Phil. 
Re: Phil Payne webado 12/17/12 5:58 PM
I'm stunned and speechless.....

Yes, RIP Phil.

But I'm sure this time you've made a grave mistake :(
Re: Phil Payne Sasch 12/17/12 7:41 PM
I don't know what to say... 
Re: Phil Payne JohnMu 12/18/12 12:40 AM
It's so sad to hear about that :-( 
Re: Phil Payne Steven Lockey 12/18/12 1:35 AM
May you rest in Peace Phil, it was nice to have known you.
Re: Phil Payne Becky Sharpe 12/18/12 2:34 AM
So sad, Wendy. Thank you for letting us know.

I certainly learned a great deal from him, he was extremely knowledgeable and analytical. Like the rest of us he wasn't always right but he could dig down in a way no-one else did at the time. He helped many, many people if they were prepared to listen and taught many of us where to look. Rex Swain and Phil are inextricably linked for me.

RIP, Phil.
Re: Phil Payne luzie 12/18/12 3:48 AM
We and this place owe him much. RIP Phil Payne.
Re: Phil Payne Lysis 12/18/12 4:25 AM
I was so happy to see him on the forum. He taught me so much, and he was a feisty character who made me laugh.

RIP Phil. 
Re: Phil Payne Barry Schwartz 12/18/12 4:41 AM
That is so so sad. Wow.
Re: Phil Payne Archie Watt 12/18/12 5:00 AM
Very sad.  I learned a lot from him.

RIP Phil
Re: Phil Payne Barry Schwartz 12/18/12 5:40 AM
Guys, I was leaning to not covering this at SER.  Think I should or not.  Not sure if it would be respectful or not....
Re: Phil Payne Becky Sharpe 12/18/12 5:42 AM
Depends how you write it Barry, but I think Phil would smile. He was one of this Group's founding fathers and his rigour helped shape the way responses were given. As others have said, he taught us a great deal.
Re: Phil Payne Barry Schwartz 12/18/12 6:04 AM
I'll let the news settle for a day and see tomorrow. 

I can't believe it.  Do we know how old he was?
Re: Phil Payne Becky Sharpe 12/18/12 6:11 AM
Round about 63, I think - several years ago he talked about getting his free bus pass (you get that at 60).

I'll nudge some of the other TC's to add their thoughts.
Re: Phil Payne Ashley 12/18/12 6:30 AM
Barry - maybe John can share some stats on how long and how many posts Phil had. He was prolific and I believe he often posted over a thousand times a month. 

I think if you were to write something, you need to research his site and tools and his past posts to capture who he was. Like mentioned, he had a pretty sharp edge but was incredibly brilliant. I think it'd be a disservice to try and fluff it or soften it too much. I could see him giving us hell for doing so!
Re: Phil Payne zihara 12/18/12 7:15 AM
Phil was one of my greatest inspirations, his site one of my favorite resources. I had a thing for looking at every post I saw his name on... Medically I could pass for his younger brother and when it comes to the end of "this ride on the human wave," our perspectives are very similar. He's missed.
Re: Phil Payne WendyTinley 12/18/12 7:28 AM
He certainly liked you Becky - he mentioned you several times when we chatted about this forum over dinner and several glasses of wine.
Re: Phil Payne WendyTinley 12/18/12 7:57 AM
Phil was in poor health, both physically and mentally. Life became too hard and the future looked futile, so he retreated from it with his well-known efficiency and preparation.
 
He updated his biog page on his website early in the morning on the 5th December. He also tweeted from his Twitter account - although the tweets seemed very normal and usual.
 
He sent a delayed email that was delivered to his son on the 7th, and later that day his son received Phil's phone, via the post.
 
Phil's son alerted the police and they found his body. Not very nice for the police but at least Phil spared his family that experience.
 
I hadn't known, until I read his biog, that his father had also committed suicide when Phil was only 14 or 15. That must have affected him badly.
 
What you may not have known was that Phil had a serious drink problem. When we first met he hadn't long come out of hospital and he was, for a long time, moderate with his drinking. In front of us at least.
 
We noticed in the past year however that he had began to drink much more than was good for him and we once sent him home to sleep it off when he arrived at our home rather the worse for wear one day.
 
For all this he was always interesting to talk to and the wise person listened and learnt. However he declined in the past six months - he developed a further problem with his health and I think that was the final straw - in hindsight I think he had been planning this for couple of months as he became more withdrawn.
 
He leaves a son and daughter that he was extremely proud of, and two grandchildren. I hope they come to terms with this sooner rather than later.
 
On another note, we host Phil's website and it will remain there for a few months to give people time to download information from it.
 
If you have time, read his biog - a very interesting read.
 
His sad friends,
 
Wendy and Graham (I know nothing)
Re: Phil Payne Ashley 12/18/12 8:00 AM
Wendy - 

Would you be open to accepting a donation to keep Phil's website hosted for a tad longer? 

Ashley
Re: Phil Payne Lysis 12/18/12 8:07 AM
Hi Wendy,

My ex-BF was found overdosed in his bed in 2008, and from that I've met mothers who have found their sons dead from an overdose. In a way, I think he did in fact do his son a favor. One thing one of the mothers I had dinner with one night always said was that she couldn't get the image out of her head.

People who do this stuff are at a point of despair that we can't understand. I hope his son and daughter realize that there is really nothing you can do for that person and it is not their fault. That's the hardest part -- coming to terms that it's not your fault.

On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 10:57:07 AM UTC-5, WendyTinley wrote:
Phil was in poor health, both physically and mentally. Life became too hard and the future looked futile, so he retreated from it with his well-known efficiency and preparation.
 
He updated his biog page on his website early in the morning on the 5th December. He also tweeted from his Twitter account - although the tweets seemed very normal and usual.
 
He sent a delayed email that was delivered to his son on the 7th, and later that day his son received Phil's phone, via the post.
 
Phil's son alerted the police and they found his body. Not very nice for the police but at least Phil spared his family that experience.
 
I hadn't known, until I read his biog, that his father had also committed suicide when Phil was only 14 or 15. That must have affected him badly.
 
What you may not have known was that Phil had a serious drink problem. When we first met he hadn't long come out of hospital and he was, for a long time, moderate with his drinking. In front of us at least.
 
We noticed in the past year however that he had began to drink much more than was good for him and we once sent him home to sleep it off when he arrived at our home rather the worse for wear one day.
 
For all this he was always interesting to talk to and the wise person listened and learnt. However he declined in the past six months - he developed a further problem with his health and I think that was the final straw - in hindsight I think he had been planning this for couple of months as he became more withdrawn.
 
He leaves a son and daughter that he was extremely proud of, and two grandchildren. I hope they come to terms with this sooner rather than later.
 
On another note, we host Phil's website and it will remain there for a few months to give people time to download information from it.
 
If you have time, read his biog - a very interesting read.
 
His sad friends,
 
Wendy and Graham (I know nothing)
Re: Phil Payne seo101 12/18/12 9:14 AM
:-(


Re: Phil Payne Susan Moskwa 12/18/12 9:27 AM
Oh my goodness, what news.
It sounds like he knew what he was doing. I hope he also knew that he'll be missed.
Re: Phil Payne Sasch 12/18/12 10:01 AM
I'm seconding Ashley... I'll be more than happy to contribute towards keeping Phil's site hosted.
Re: Phil Payne Becky Sharpe 12/18/12 11:41 AM
Wendy - you've made me cry ! Thank you for telling me :)
Re: Phil Payne Matt_Cutts 12/18/12 1:28 PM
Oh man, I'll miss Phil. He always had clear insights and spoke his mind, as folks here know. I got my first email from him with search feedback in October of 2002.

I always got a kick out of his sense of humor. I did a blog post about early-morning meetings and Phil pointed me to http://www.isham-research.co.uk/dd.html afterwards.

Phil was an original. He'll be missed.
Matt
Re: Phil Payne Sasch 12/18/12 2:02 PM
Yes, Phil will be missed alright. With his no-nonsense approach and his dry wit he was one of the main characters around here.
Re: Phil Payne WendyTinley 12/18/12 2:08 PM
Matt... you've no clue how much that would have tickled Phil :)
Re: Phil Payne WendyTinley 12/18/12 2:09 PM
Awww that's lovely of you Ashley...  we'll run it by his family to see if they are okay with it but if it means a lot to people then we're quite happy to continue hosting and renewing the domain name in Phil's memory. xx
Re: Phil Payne WendyTinley 12/18/12 2:11 PM
If it's okay with everyone I'll copy your comments and email them to Thomas and Jenni - I'm sure they will like to see the appreciation of their Dad.
Re: Phil Payne travler 12/18/12 3:59 PM
Thank you for posting the link to the blog post.

And thank you for arranging I hope to keep it up.

Very moved, and very sad. 


Re: Phil Payne Matt Storms 12/18/12 4:01 PM
Dang, that sucks. I hope he is resting comfortable right now. 
Re: Phil Payne pink fluffy unicons 12/18/12 5:07 PM
omg, this is so sad.

RIP Phil, my thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family
Re: Phil Payne StevieD_Web 12/18/12 5:41 PM
RIP

Re: Phil Payne StevieD_Web 12/18/12 5:43 PM
In follow up to Barry's post,

would it be possible for Google (John Mu) to find Phil's very first post on the forum and share it, maybe along with a few classic Phil comments, as a tribute?
Re: Phil Payne mundabit 12/18/12 7:13 PM
Barry - For what my opinion is worth, you should post something. People like Phil helped build the web.

Had some contact with Phil off the forum a few years ago (re a nutty Sheffield area SEO outfit). Learnt from that there was much more to Phil than we saw here, even though that was a notable help in building this place. Yes, he had a few problems but which of us do not. I don't agree with his view on time/space/reality (miss the chance to argue with him) and truly hope he is happier wherever he is now.
Re: Phil Payne Tito Dutta 12/18/12 9:13 PM
Rest in peace Phill Rayne.
Tito Dutta
Gmail Help TC
Re: Phil Payne danielroofer 12/19/12 5:14 AM
Very sad to hear this, he was very active on this forum when I first started here and I always enjoyed his humour.

I read his website some time ago and particularly enjoyed the IT dictionary. I do hope it will all stay hosted.

  "
Windows 95
n. A 32-bit patch to a 16-bit GUI for an 8-bit operating system written for a 4-bit processor by a 2-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition."


RIP

Re: Phil Payne Barry Schwartz 12/19/12 5:43 AM
Sasch wrote the post and I posted at SER.


With deepest respect...
Re: Phil Payne Becky Sharpe 12/19/12 6:58 AM
Thanks Barry.
Re: Phil Payne luzie 12/20/12 5:46 AM
@Barry,

>>> Guys, I was leaning to not covering this at SER. 
>>> Think I should or not. Not sure if it would be respectful or not....

I'd be glad to read something like this on your site and trust in you knowing how to say it.



Re: Phil Payne luzie 12/20/12 5:48 AM
Uuh, sorry, I didn't see it was already there. Thanks Sasch and Barry +1
Re: Phil Payne roundtower1 12/27/12 10:17 AM
Such sad news about Phil Payne

He was full of great ideas, even some hunches and really helped us when we needed support. I too would be willing to contribute to keeping his site online for longer.

After all, the sites we build are another form of legacy that we nurture for others to enjoy.

I think he would have also been pleased with the comments from his friends on this forum.

Des
Re: Phil Payne Webnauts 1/9/13 1:48 PM
Now that is damn sad! Rest in peace Phil.
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Re: Phil Payne jeff hall 1/10/13 7:10 AM

So sad. Despite a few conflicts with him in the past he will always be remembered for his succinct wit and incisive commentary. He seemingly kept all his suffering to himself without letting anyone know of the pain he must have endured - that takes bravery and courage as clearly he never wanted to burden others with his suffering.  RIP -  you will be sadly missed.

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Re: Phil Payne webado 1/15/13 7:28 PM
Your messages were completely inappropriate and insulting, so very likely a Google employee removed them.


Re: Phil Payne Miguel Juliano Jr 1/19/13 2:32 PM
Good-humored Phil, who once told here one of my favourite bushism, 'Brazilian'.

>>Donald Rumsfeld briefed the President this morning. He told Bush that 3 Brazilian solders were killed in Iraq. 
To everyone's amazement, all the color drained from Bush's face, then he collapsed into his desk, head in hands, visibly shaken, almost in tears. 
Finally, he composed himself and asked Rumsfeld, "Just exactly how many is a Brazilian"?<<
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Re: Phil Payne webado 1/19/13 3:40 PM
Yes that brings back some memories.
RIP Phil.
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Re: Phil Payne webado 1/20/13 10:17 PM
Errrm... perhaps it was what?
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Re: Phil Payne Ashley 1/22/13 3:22 PM
Hey Taung - this post was created specifically to discuss the loss of our friend, Phil. Please keep other discussions to other threads. 
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Re: Phil Payne Sasch 3/11/13 12:39 PM
Hey guys

What's the state of proceedings regarding the Isham Research site and its hosting?

Let me know please.

Cheers

Sasch
Re: Phil Payne luzie 3/11/13 4:37 PM
>>> What's the state of proceedings regarding the Isham Research site and its hosting?

Yeah, this is an important question, knowledge of Phil's deserves conservation. 
Re: Phil Payne luzie 3/11/13 4:39 PM
What can we do about it?
Re: Phil Payne Sasch 3/11/13 4:55 PM
A while back, Wendy said she'd keep the site up a while longer, and a few of us volunteered to contribute towards the site's indefinite upkeep. I haven't heard anything since and I don't have Wendy's address, so I thought I'd post here to see if we'd progressed any.
Re: Phil Payne webado 3/11/13 5:42 PM
The domain registration is good through 2015. Remains to see about the hosting account itself.
Re: Phil Payne Sasch 3/11/13 5:49 PM
Exactly... If it's an issue I can easily take it onto one of my own boxes. If not, I'm more than happy to contribute annually to its upkeep.
Re: Phil Payne webado 3/11/13 6:24 PM
Somebody can get in touch with the hosters.  Maybe, hopefully somebody from his family is seeing to it?
Re: Phil Payne roundtower1 3/12/13 1:28 AM
Happy to contribute to the hosting in the future.

Phil helped us a lot.

Des
Re: Phil Payne ssonu03 3/12/13 2:07 AM
any one tell me plz 

meta tags user friendly or Search Engine Optimization friendly?
Re: Phil Payne Sasch 3/12/13 4:05 AM
SSONU03... this is a highly inappropriate thread to ask this question. Open your own thread.
Re: Phil Payne roundtower1 3/12/13 4:17 AM
You may want to read again and direct your upset elsewhere?????


Des
Re: Phil Payne DaffyDuck 3/12/13 4:27 AM
I guess Sasch meant to say 'ssonu03', not 'roundtower1'.
I guess.

Dd
Re: Phil Payne webado 3/12/13 5:06 AM
Yes, that sounds right. A case of mistaken identity.
Re: Phil Payne roundtower1 3/12/13 6:34 AM
Nothing to lose any sleep over or distract from remembrance of Phil Payne.

I am sure he would have laughed to see this sort of mistake. 

He once used the word Obfuscation in a reply to my question in this forum. I had to look it up. It made me smile at the time but really have liked the word since!!!

Devil in the detail and seems he might still be looking on.

Happy to help with hosting cost if required.

Des


Re: Phil Payne Sasch 3/12/13 12:39 PM
Aw crepe... I'm sorry roundtower... Yes, I did mean the other guy, but I was in kind of a hurry and accidentally pelted you. I do apologize. 

Corrected. :-)
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