|Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||KDailey1971||11/10/12 8:21 AM|
There seems to be conflicting information in reviews on this topic: Does the Nexus 10 support miracast or not? I am interested in this tablet if it indeed can be used with the Netgear Push2TV 3000 television adapter to wirelessly transmit to my television. Anyone know for sure if this will work?
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||MAG5||11/12/12 1:55 PM|
I had the same question, called Google Play support, the guy didn't know what Miracast is, he asked his supervisor, and their answer was to "contact Miracast". Google site does show Miracast included in 4.2, and 4.2 is in Nexus 10, but most of the latest reviews indicate Miracast is not supported in Nexus 10, although it never says how they came to that conclusion. Everything I read says it's not a hardware issue, so it is possible there will be a software update upon receiving Nexus 10, or at some point thereafter.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||mkslt04||11/12/12 10:31 PM|
It's supported in software by the Jellybean 4.2, but not specifically on the Nexus 10.
Scroll about halfway through to the miracast section to read for yourself.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||gserp4sox||11/13/12 9:06 AM|
Well this Google Nexus 10 support page says otherwise: http://support.google.com/nexus/bin/answer.py?hl=en-GB&answer=2780386
Look at the section headed "WiFi Direct"
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||paulbova||11/14/12 8:36 PM|
I can confirm that Miracast does work with 4.2 on the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7. However, it currently does not work with the Netgear Push2TV 3000. I was on the phone with Netgear today and they have it logged as an issue that they are looking into. It appears that the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7 can connect to the Push2TV 3000, however, there is no way to activate it. They should have the issue resolved by next week. I will keep you informed once the issue is fixed as I have the product sitting on my desk at home waiting for them to call me back.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||GoSFGiants!||11/16/12 8:45 AM|
Maybe P2TV is not Miracast certified?
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||paulbova||11/16/12 8:51 AM|
P2TV is miracast certified, however, the galaxy line with 4.2 is not working on it for some reason. Netgear is supposedly working on a fix.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||GoSFGiants!||11/16/12 9:05 AM|
Where does it say it's Miracast certified?
Netgear site says "*PTV3000 supports pre-standard compliant Miracast™ wireless enabled display devices." Soooo
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||paulbova||11/16/12 9:28 AM|
It is actually one of the most up to date Miracast solutions on the market today........
Cavium, Inc., (NASDAQ: CAVM), a leading provider of semiconductor products that enable intelligent processing for networking, communications and the digital home, today announced that NETGEAR’s recently launched 3rd generation Push2TV wireless display adapter is based on Cavium’s CNW6611L media SoC offering superior wireless media connectivity. The new NETGEAR Push2TV Wireless Display Adapter supports Intel® Wireless Display (WiDi), and is one of the first adapters that is pre-standard compliant with the Wi-Fi Alliance’s Miracast™ specification, making it one of the most universal wireless display adapters available in the market today. At less than one third the size of its predecessor, NETGEAR’s new adapter leverages Cavium’s USB powered, low latency Tiga reference design to offer seamless connectivity to a wide range of notebook PCs, smartphones and tablets.
NETGEAR’s Push2TV wireless display adapters have been shipping in the market since the initial launch of Intel® WiDi solution in 2010. NETGEAR continues to provide a premium experience supporting Intel® WiDi and has also designed its 3rd generation adapter functionality to be compatible with the new Miracast™ wireless display standard. With over 30 million Intel® WiDi-based laptops shipped to date, and the growing demand for Miracast™ functionality on smartphones, tablets, and notebooks, NETGEAR’s Push2TV adapter is significantly increasing the number of connected consumer electronics devices it can wirelessly receive media content from.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||GoSFGiants!||11/16/12 9:42 AM|
yeah .. but until the PTV3000 is tested by the wifi alliance then it's NOT miracast certified.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Roger Baird||11/17/12 9:54 AM|
How can you confirm that it works? Have you seen it work with another device or are you just saying that because it says its connected on the Nexus 7? Also I can get it to connect to the p2tv using wifi-direct but there is nothing that says miracast on the 7.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||bobnoway||11/17/12 10:43 AM|
I have my PTV3000 working with my Lenovo laptop but have not had any luck making the Nexus 7 work. It will see it but nothing else.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||GoSFGiants!||11/17/12 12:03 PM|
How did you confirm that it does work? If I'm reading it correctly, are you saying you were able to connect your Nexus phone to your Nexus 7 tablet ... and your phone is Miracast on to the Nexus 7?
As for as I know, the Nexus 7 with JB 4.2 does not have Miracast or WiFi Display application so it's not a Miracast source for sure. I also doubt the Samsung Nexus (Takju?) with 4.2 has the WFD app.
The Nexus 4 definitely has it, but I have yet seen a success story.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Eth@n||11/17/12 1:08 PM|
Just wanted to confirm that Nexus 4 is currently our only Nexus device that works with Miracast wireless display on Android 4.2. There was a reference to wireless display on our Help site for Nexus 10, but we've since removed that reference. Our apologies for any confusion that may have caused.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||gserp4sox||11/17/12 7:15 PM|
Thank you for clearing up this issue Ethan. Now could you be so kind as to tell us all that would be interested in buying a Nexus 10 with Miracast capibilities, is the Nexus 10 ever going to be Miracast capable?
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Roger Baird||11/17/12 7:23 PM|
Or will the 7 ever get it?
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||MAG5||11/17/12 7:50 PM|
While we're asking questions, I read that miramax/wifi direct uses the wifi antenna, and therefore prevents streaming and push to tv at same time. Hence why nexus 4 has miracast (cellular option in parallel to wifi) but why the wifi only tablets aren't miracast enabled. True?
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||jjaime||11/18/12 9:30 AM|
Have 3 devices running 4.2 (Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 7 and Nexus 4)
Only Nexus 4 has a Wireless display option (Settings, Display, Wireless display)
Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7 have Wi-Fi Direct in Wi-Fi settings (not related to Wireless display)
Also have a PTV3000 that provides WiDi and Miracast modes. Nexus 4 can see PTV3000, but never connects. Tried several times with and without connection to my Wi-Fi router. Called Netgear, but support rep didn't have a clue. My hope is future upgrades on any side, will provide compatibility. Crossing my fingers.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||GoSFGiants!||11/18/12 10:00 AM|
jjaime - maybe you should call Google for support? You could turn on the debug mode in Android and see what the messages say when you try to connect to the PTV3000
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||jjaime||11/18/12 6:41 PM|
Good suggestion. Tried Google phone support and waiting times were too long. Will try tomorrow.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Matt Katzenberger||11/18/12 8:44 PM|
I hope you guys enable it for the Nexus 10, it was a killer feature and definitely a huge factor in me choosing the Nexus 10 early on. When I realized it didn't have it out of the box I went with the 10 anyway, but I'd still love to see this implemented.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Buggix12||11/19/12 3:19 AM|
i ordered both, Nexus 7 and Nexus 10. And i will sent both back to google...
Sorry, Miracast is a must have feature.
I recommend to do the same as i...
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||JuanRamos||11/19/12 3:43 AM|
What took you so long to realize? I already gave my Nexus 7 to a friend because of the lack of Miracast support. Gonna stick with the iPad and AppleTV for now because I really need to present my documents on a larger screen.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||mr_whitten||11/19/12 8:41 AM|
Would be nice if someone from Google would make a final statement on whether the Nex10/Nex7 will be receiving miracast or not. It's the deal breaker for me if not.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Kevin (swole) Johnson||11/19/12 12:52 PM|
I like the way google chimes in and says something is not supported but will not answer to a question regarding if will be in the future or not.
So Is this even being looked at as a future enhancement or not in the Nexus 7?
The hardware does not have hdmi support (fail) so all that is left is Miracast support. Everyone in this thread wants to know LOL.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Halc||11/19/12 2:10 PM|
Same here, I will wait for the miracast confirmation on Nexus 7 and then buy mine... IN AN INSTANT^^
It's such a great tablet, just the video out is missing... please google, MAKE IT HAPPEN!!! ;)
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Makapav||11/19/12 7:47 PM|
I can't understand how a company like Google can hire the most clueless individuals in the cutting edge mobile industry.
Miracast should have been THE killer feature in advertisement since inception of 4.2 for the entire Nexus range :(
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Makapav||11/19/12 7:47 PM|
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||GoSFGiants!||11/19/12 8:42 PM|
Well not having Miracast in JB 4.2 is something we can probably live with. BUT what the hell is going on with missing the entire month of December on the calendar?? Can't they get the simple things right?
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||GoSFGiants!||11/19/12 8:45 PM|
I've downloaded and scanned through the JB 4.2 package from Google site. 094f6629314a.signed-nakasi-JOP40C-from-JZO54K.094f6629.zip
No where in that package sheds any info on Miracast or Wifi Display app.
So I'm guessing this feature is proprietary tied in Nexus 4 with JB 4.2 release.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||LuvAndroidGadgets||11/19/12 9:46 PM|
I think Android Developer web site clearly states that: "Starting in Android 4.2, users on supported devices can connect to an external display over Wi-Fi, using Miracast, a peer-to-peer wireless display standard created by the Wi-Fi Alliance."
On the other hand, Android website gives a different impression: "Android 4.2 allows devices to enable wireless display. ".
I believe it would be helpful if there is more transparency on what products support what technology very clearly.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||cc3k||11/20/12 2:47 AM|
Miracast support (for my nexus 7) was the most exceted feature in 4.2 for me.
..luckly I've contain myself to instant order a wireless adapter!
I hope there's no hardware limit to port this feature to all the Nexus family (even though I don't like commercial strategy)
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||kacike||11/20/12 4:06 AM|
...this goes out to @threeonesix in particular who posted a similiar question in another post, check out this YouTube link for connecting N7 to a Sony Bravia TV using WiFi Direct only....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMDgKUYAho0.....it does work if you know what else to do beside making the initial connection. Something no Google documents tells you about for shame.
The N7 is indeed a consumer device with media in mind as marketed by Google, yet media connectivity is so difficult to achieve.
In fact looking at various threads it would seem that there is a also distinct lack of information as to how any wireless connection to a display or external audio devices are connected and how to use the Google media apps to take advantage of this connection. In fact I don't know if they can, but it would have been useful if Google had shown the way with its own media apps in the first place.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||jjaime||11/20/12 5:27 AM|
From Nexus 4 official Guidebook: "Android 4.2 supports the Miracast protocol for wireless display. You can connect your phone via WiFi to a variety of displays and
other devices that support Miracast, even when a standard WiFi network isn’t available. For example, you can use Wireless Display to show your phone’s screen on a TV equipped with a certified Miracast adapter. For more information, see the documentation that comes with the Miracast-certified device you wish to connect to your phone."
No mention of Wireless Display in Nexus 7/4.2 and Nexus 10 official Guidebook (Google support pages for Nexus devices)
Called Google Nexus support this morning, the rep was completely lost. After some hold time, he came back and said is related to NFC (sic). Then he said to call LG, because they manufacture the phone.
Will call LG just to make sure I cover all bases.
My hope is hardware in Nexus 7 supports Miracast and someone in the community will come to the rescue.
I consider wireless display as the only feature that would make me switch to the walled garden. I'm resisting bravely.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||cc3k||11/20/12 5:33 AM|
seems that miracast needs 5 Ghz wifi transmission: http://www.myce.com/news/miracast-certification-started-wireless-display-technology-63869/
last hope: http://gigaom.com/video/google-open-airplay-alternative/
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||jjaime||11/20/12 6:25 AM|
More food for thought...
Check Wi-Fi specs for Nexus devices:
Galaxy NEXUS: Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n
NEXUS 7: WiFi 802.11 b/g/n
NEXUS 4: WiFi 802.11 a/b/g/n
NEXUS 10: WiFi 802.11 b/g/n
"Wi-Fi 802.11 a" is the difference between Nexus 4 and Nexus 7 and 10. Any Wi-Fi experts to chime in?
Called LG support, they told me only "smart tv's are compatible as now"
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||mr_whitten||11/20/12 6:52 AM|
I keep searching the net and this thread and a few threads over at: http://forum.xda-developers.com/ are the few spots I've found anything on the topic. Be nice if someone from goog would give us a yay or nay on the issue...
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||jjaime||11/20/12 7:11 AM|
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||GoSFGiants!||11/20/12 9:38 AM|
jjaime - I really feel your frustration for getting kicked around for an answer. As for the WiFi differences, I recommend searching on iFixit for the product. You can find the exact wifi module brand/model and do more research from googling.
From my research, Nexus 7 WiFi doesn't have 5 Ghz frequency support. 1) wifi module datasheet says so 2) I can't detect a 5GHz AP
Nexus 4 and 10 wifi module may have support for 5GHz.
cc3k might be right that Miracast could require 5 GHz .. although you can still do it with 2.4 GHz. The key trick is whether if the wifi module and driver have dual-concurrency support. Meaning it needs the ability to connect to home Wireless AP in infrastructure mode and also able to connect to Miracast device using P2P (wifi direct).
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Siavash Minoukadeh||11/20/12 10:20 AM|
Is there a chance that the nexus 7 could receive an update enabling it at some point?
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||buzbuzzer||11/20/12 11:49 AM|
That's a pretty big deal isn't it? Like I was ready to pull the trigger on buying this, had all my Christmas lists set for Google Play Cards. all because the Miracast would be a much better solution than requiring a laptop for online streaming on my home TV. I don't remember what you had on your Help Site, but it was very set in my mind that the nexus 10 had this support. I feel sorry for the other people that thought that as well and already purchased.
Are there any plans to have this functionality? or is it a non-compliant device that would never receive support?
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||GoSFGiants!||11/20/12 1:49 PM|
Yes there's a chance but it's a very slim chance and it will be awhile. I foresee the steps to make it happen includes
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Eth@n||11/20/12 4:39 PM|
I'd like to confirm again that Nexus 4 is currently our only Nexus device that works with Miracast wireless displays on Android 4.2. As an update since I last posted, we've also notified the manufacturer about the problems you've seen with the Netgear adapter.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||mr_whitten||11/21/12 1:09 AM|
E...@n this second post from you is completely pointless. The question everyone wants answered is whether there will be future compatability for the nexus 10 and 7. I think most of us have probably guessed that your silence is the answer... no support... wait for the next iteration of the nexus tablet in 2013 for miracast.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||jjaime||11/21/12 3:41 AM|
When you say "currently", is it because a hardware limitation in Nexus 7 and 10?
What about Galaxy Nexus? Will it ever have Miracast?
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Jason Markham||11/21/12 8:01 AM|
Any news on the Netgear update?
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||jjaime||11/21/12 8:06 AM|
Check http://support.netgear.com/product/PTV3000 from time to time and cross your fingers
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Jason Markham||11/21/12 8:06 AM|
I have the PTV 3000 and a Galaxy Nexus.... I see, on my Nexus, that an invite was sent to the PTV 3000... after that.. I am dead in the water... Hoping that a Netgear update will resolve this...
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||jjaime||11/21/12 9:05 AM|
Jason, I don't believe that is possible. Galaxy Nexus with Android 4.2 doesn't have Wireless Display option available (Settings -> Display -> Wireless Display -> ON/OFF)
You maybe using the option in Settings -> Wi-Fi -> Wi-Fi Direct. That is not Miracast Wireless Display.
Can you confirm?
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Jason Markham||11/21/12 9:33 AM|
Yes I am using the Wi-Fi Direct option...however.. you are suppose to be able to connect to a display using the wifi direct option...in conjunction with the PTV 3000.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||jjaime||11/21/12 9:44 AM|
Miracast and Wi-Fi Direct are different standards and serve different purposes.
Both are Wi-Fi Alliance standards, based on the same underlying Wi-Fi technologies and standards.
Check <http://www.wi-fi.org/wi-fi-certified-miracast%E2%84%A2> for details.
I also own a Galaxy Nexus and a PTV-3000 and would like Miracast to be there today. No suck luck. Future will tell.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Jason Markham||11/21/12 9:56 AM|
Thanks for the discussion.. At one point, I read "Android 4.2 supports the Miracast standard for Wi-Fi Direct connections. You can
connect your phone via Wi-Fi to a variety of displays" ... upon reading that I assumed you made a Direct connection to the PTV 3000 to display your phone on to the TV...
I am still hopeful, as you are, that the future will bring this functionality... I have read that the Galaxy Nexus has the correct hardware...so an OTA update should be suffice to get this functionality working.. I am glad you seem to be as diligent as I when it comes to this topic... I will look forward to any of your future findings...
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||jjaime||11/21/12 10:06 AM|
You are welcome Jason. Thanks for contributing.
I'm passing on my Galaxy Nexus to my son and getting a Nexus 4 (already arrived). Will post my results as soon as get it to work (after Netgear update I hope).
I haven't been able to figure out the specific hardware feature that makes Galaxy Nexus a Miracast candidate. I'm sure my son will enjoy having that in his college dorm. Do you have the link where you read about it?
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||GoSFGiants!||11/21/12 10:58 AM|
Wi-Fi Direct alone will not be able to support wireless display.
Miracast requires the following
- compatible wifi chipset & driver
- wi-fi direct
- wifi display application
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||GoSFGiants!||11/22/12 12:12 AM|
"According to an article over onPhandroid, there is a discussion running on the Google Support Forum over the possibility that Miracast could end up for now only being for the Nexus 4. " - LOL great! there's an article about us discussing this topic
" While another state they gave their Nexus 7 to a friend due to the lack of Miracast, and is now sticking with the Apple iPad and Apple TV." - haha jjaime, did you really say that??
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Buggix12||11/22/12 2:35 AM|
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||jjaime||11/22/12 4:37 AM|
Was someone else or they did some "editing"
When PTV3000 is updated to full Miracast certification, I'm planning to repurpose an old monitor sitting in my garage and get a wireless displays in the kitchen.
Yesterday went to T-Mobile to get my SIM card cutted to micro SIM. They were nice and now I'm running on Nexus 4. Galaxy Nexus is now with my son.
Happy Thanksgiving everybody. Andy Warhol was right!
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Halc||11/22/12 6:18 AM|
Everything we are waiting for is an answer that tells us if they(Nexus 10 and/or 7) will ever get certified or are in the certification process.
An answer would make me buy an Nexus 7 instantly as I previously mentioned.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||kacike||11/22/12 8:38 AM|
It is incredible that this subject is being talked about a great deal (even in anger) for a domestic device but no one from Google or the various alliance partners can say how the implementation(s) should work other than nice bits of PR blurb everywhere talking WiFi Direct or Mircast.
Looking at various threads on various forums it is clear that there is no published doc that states how any wireless connectivity works with Android devices. I found this link which shows an N7 be connected to a Sony Bravia TV using Wifi Direct...YouTube link for connecting N7 to a Sony Bravia TV using WiFi Direct only....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMDgKUYAho0.....it. Sony is part of the WiFi Alliance so it makes sense that the implementation works with their TV's.
Have you viewed this video and is this the way it is suppose to work and if so, why is this not documented on the Nexus 7 Support page?
Regarding the Netgear PTV3000 will the connectivity with that once sorted out use WiFi Direct as the method of displaying or will it use Miracast? Will either method again be documented on the N7 support page? These are both standards that have agreed by Google and their alliance partners so where is the documentation?
Finally it seems most of the contributors to these blogs are assuming that the functionality will be there when you connect, when in fact you may well have to point the app that you are using at the wireless device. Will Google make that clear in their docs, given the number of people who assume once a wireless connection is made will automatically see an image.....Looking forward to your reply.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||jjaime||11/22/12 8:49 AM|
Come on guys, have you taken the time to watch the video (1:02). That's not a Nexus 7! It's a Sony Ericsson phone, no need to speal Italian to figure that out.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||mr_whitten||11/22/12 8:52 AM|
Eth@n won't be responding to the big question I'm sure. If he does work for google he's already cost them money by spreading enough doubt about the future of miracast on these devices. Like I said above... Time to wait for the Nexus10 generation 2. Hopefully they get it completely right with that tablet in 2013. There has to be an answer for AirPlay. While you're at it how about some expandable storage, cellular option, and a full USB.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||kacike||11/22/12 8:57 AM|
yes i am sorry I didn't look too closely as the hit came from a google search with Nexus 7 in the form. But i think the point here is Sony is using an agreed standard to allow wireless connectivity between an android phone and it's TV's, which apparently work. Now I am sure that I read somewhere that the N& has Wifi Direct aswell, which led me to my previously posted questions.
All said and done if these connection formats are standards...there should be docs that tells us how it works in practice.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||GoSFGiants!||11/22/12 11:35 AM|
That video - .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMDgKUYAho0 is nothing close to Miracast (aka Mirror Display or projector mode). It's basically a combination Wi-Fi direct and DLNA.
What I drew from the video is basically the Sony TV Wireless is able to sets its own Access Point using Wi-Fi Direct, thus allowing Sony Ericsson phone with WiFi direct to connect directly to the TV. From there on I didn't see the phone screen displays on the TV and it took the guy more than 5 steps to push a media file on to the Bravia TV.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||kacike||11/23/12 3:39 AM|
I will not deny anything you say, that is not what this thread is about, my point is Sony are using WiFi Direct to connect and irrespective of how messy it is to connect, the point is they have a WiFi Direct connectivity solution, which in turn must have been agreed upon by the WiFi Alliance or at least that must be the assumption as their product is branded WiFi Direct their product user guides probably document how to connect. Have you seen that in a Nexus product manual?
Google are championing the Android OS, they are building (have built?) some form of wireless connectivity for Video/Audio (Miracast?) into the OS, so it would make sense that Google would point the way as to how this connectivity will work in particular with apps, agree it with their alliance partners ratify it as a standard and put it out there with some documentation. Then at least we would know if some 3rd party product such as Netgear PTV3000 will work straight out of the box before buying.
Think on this as an example....with Windows, in 99% of cases the connectivity for apps just works provided that the OS has a std method for it whatever the type and the manufacturers of 3rd party products adhere to the standard and they submit their implementation for certification and they in turn stick a note on the box stating XP/W7 compliant. We the end users then are confident that we do not have to hack the product to get it to work (it seems the Sony implementation/hack might have benefited from this system).
It seems to me that many of the correspondents on this thread are a bit frustrated and will at this point accept any old hack/solution, but for myself i will wait six months for the above solution knowing that future apps and products will just work out of the box.
What are you offering to the discussion or are you just an arsonist?
As for yourself I think you are lost,
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||jjaime||11/23/12 4:29 AM|
Wanted to share my experience based on research and testing.
All I want is to have wireless display capabilities, same way as Apple AirPlay or Intel WiDi , but with Android freedom.
My best hope is Miracast, but being a fairly new standard, I expected some bumps in the road.
When Google announced Android 4.2, with Miracast, us users were mislead to believe Nexus new lineup (4, 7 and 10) was equipped with the right hardware to support Miracast. Was a matter of getting Android 4.2
To disappointing of many, me included, seems just Nexus 4 is equipped with the required hardware. I decided Nexus 4 is going to be my Miracast Source.
Next step was to get a Miracast Display adapter. My choice was Netgear PTV-3000 that as of today claims support for Intel WiDi and "pre-standard compliant Miracast™ wireless enabled display devices". The key word here is PRE-STANDARD.
I have tested Nexus 4, Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7, all with official Android 4.2. Just Nexus 4 has the Wireless Display option (Settings, Display, Wireless Display, On/Off). Not to be confused with Wi-Fi Direct (Settings, Wi-Fi Settings, Wi-Fi Direct) that is available in all 3 devices.
Nexus 4 (Wireless Display On) sees PTV-3000 (Miracast mode), requests connection, but nothing happens.
Someone from Google said in this forum they already contacted Netgear to address the issue. I'm confident Netgear will provide a firmware update in the near future and I will enjoy wireless display capabilities using Nexus 4 and PTV-3000.
Will keep everybody posted.
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|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||buzbuzzer||11/23/12 1:33 PM|
It looks like you're doing a great job checking out all avenues and possibilities to get this functionality to work.
I really wish a real Google Employee with some backbone could give us an answer to why the supported device does not work, and why people were led to believe the other devices would receive this functionality.
It seems Google wiped the references, but even Cnet was led to think they would be getting Miracast http://reviews.cnet.com/google-nexus-10/ (note the miracast section)
* I still really want to get a Nexus 10....with Miracast*
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||jjaime||11/23/12 1:41 PM|
Glad to help.
My test environment is already setup and waiting for PTV-3000 to be updated.
Will get in touch with Netgear and offer to test alpha or beta versions.
Hope the capabilities are hidden in N10, just waiting for a 4.2.x update.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||GoSFGiants!||11/24/12 12:34 PM|
I apologize my response causes you to think I'm an arsonist to the discussion. I've been offering my knowledge and experience in Miracast, and shared what it takes to create "Wireless Display Mirroring or Miracast".
Regarding your post on the Sony WiFi direct video - I thought you're confused between Wi-Fi Direct and Miracast. Therefore my answer to you was simply that's not Miracast feature you were looking at. In addition I've pointed out what Sony does is similar to Airplay or DLNA, but using Wi-Fi Direct for Peer-to-Peer connectivity.
Google doesn't provide instruction on using Wi-Fi Direct in the Nexus guidebook is because it's not a feature. I think the option is left available for device manufacturers (like Sony) to implement whatever feature they wish using that Wi-Fi Direct protocol.
Google does indicate Miracast feature on the guidebook for device that can supports it - jjaime has pointed this out earlier.
From Nexus 4 official Guidebook: "Android 4.2 supports the Miracast protocol for wireless display. You can connect your phone via WiFi to a variety of displays and
other devices that support Miracast, even when a standard WiFi network isn’t available For example, you can use Wireless Display to show your phone’s screen on a TV equipped with a certified Miracast adapter. For more information, see the documentation that comes with the Miracast-certified device you wish to connect to your phone."
In the Nexus 4 - to enable wireless display you'd need to go to Settings > Display > enable Wireless display. Once that option is enabled, it will try to discover and connect to the wireless display adapter by using Wi-Fi Direct protocol. Now this is where most of the Nexus 4 owners are stuck with as it doesn't work with the PTV3000 (miracast pre-certified display adapter). I'm sure this is being fixed by both Google and Netgear .. right Eth@n?? :)
As for other Nexuses (Nexii?) - Samsung Nexus 3, Asus Nexus 7, and Samsung Nexus 10 - the Wireless display feature IS NOT available even with Android 4.2. Although Wi-Fi Direct can be used to discover for miracast wireless display adapter, it simply will not work since there's no display application. Keep in mind this Wi-Fi direct option is accessible in other Droid devices since 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich (ICS) too.
I think the biggest mistake is the announcement of Miracast feature is available in Android 4.2 release without specifying the requirements to use the feature.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||jjaime||11/24/12 4:29 PM|
Just to report I have joined Netgear Beta Tester program, with the purpose of getting access to early firmware updates and test compatibility with Nexus 4.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||kacike||11/25/12 9:55 AM|
I´m sorry I mis-read your intentions my fault. You are right however, nothing about wireless connectivity should be released until there is a working solution with the Android OS, then it would be up to the manufacturers of 3rd party products to get it right in terms of interfacing. However it would appear that that only Netgear have thought about making something that would connect in the way that we want, you may argue that it is pre Miracast, I only look at what they put out at the time of release of the product and that was to say it is WiFi Direct compatible either way I would expect it to have worked given that both Google and Netgear are part of the WiFi Alliance and therefore would ensure compatibility before release, although i blame Netgear more because they only looked at their product working in a Windows based environment which is where they traditionally aim their products.
It has been been put out there on the internet that Jellybean 4.2 carries Miracast capability, well it also carries Wifi Direct because Miracast as I understand it at the moment, could not possibly work without WiFi Direct. Is Miracast implementation here now due to the fact that WiFi Direct leaves your device wide open to being hacked wirelessly when you connect in this manner, so i have read elsewhere?
That said I could not possibly say if either works on the N7 because I have not invested in any 3rd party hardware to try it out, i guess i´m scared of costly failures. Which is why I would like Google to document these features and how they are suppose to work in practice, i accept that it is not in any current documentation but doesn´t that appear as though Google have not tested the implementation themselves? If it is due to a lack of 3rd party product, then I would have expected them or their manufacturer to have have tested between two Nexus devices for example.
In a way this scenario reminds me about the use of external USB devices, on the N7 with an OTG cable most USB devices work except anything to do with storage(stock OS only), however I have a USB based DAC which I know this model works with the Galaxy Note 2 but not the N7. Well whats the difference well? The Note 2 is/was ICS and the N7 is Jellybean, they have the relevant module written into the kernel but they haven´t enabled it. Go Figure!
If Google are serious about maintaining a standard android OS, then I would this is not the sort of thing i would expect.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||akhtarkamal1||11/26/12 12:35 AM|
Netgear has given out some information with respect to releasing a firmware update for the PTV3000 to enable Miracast. More about this on the G+ post here:
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Jan Schmidtbauer||11/28/12 1:01 AM|
Well, in principle Miracast should be supported even though there is not dual wifi module. In that case you simply can't stream anything from the web. However, Miracast should support all 802.11 standards.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||GoSFGiants!||12/2/12 10:14 PM|
jjamie - any luck from the netgear beta program? I'm looking forward to get a firmware that works
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||jjaime||12/3/12 2:17 AM|
Fellow Group members. Nothing to report. Don't have a new PTV-3000 firmware to test yet. My setup is ready, once I get the firmware it will take a minute to start testing. Will keep you guys posted.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||jjaime||12/3/12 2:19 AM|
Thanks for the info Jan. How do we find out if a certain device has a dual wi-fi module that is Miracast capable?
I'm sure all the Group will benefit from your input.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Jan Schmidtbauer||12/3/12 5:41 AM|
As far as I know, Miracast is supposed to work with all wifi standards (802.11 a/b/g/n). This is what should give you an idea if a dual wifi-module is in your device or not because their are basically two bands in which wifi is operated namely: 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz. You will need a dual wifi-module (two separate antennas) to work with both of these frequency bands.
802.11 a uses 5 GHz band only
802.11 b/g use 2.4 GHz
802.11 n uses 2.4 and 5 GHz
This means there are basically two versions of wifi modules: 802.11 b/g/n which only support the 2.4 GHz band are likely to be not dual modules whereas 802.11 a/b/g/n supporting both bands have to be dual. This is maybe the best way to distinguish between the two.
Samsung explicitly states that their module is dual in the Note 10.1, for instance. This device works well with the Samsung AllShare Cast Dongle while it is connected to the internet.
On the other hand, having a 802.11 b/g/n module, as the lovely Nexus 10 has, does not necessarily mean that there are no separate antennas. In fact, the Nexus 10 has a WiFi 802.11 b/g/n (MIMO+HT40) with multiple antennas since 802.11 n allows wifi operation at different channels simultaneously (MIMO stands for multiple input multiple output and HT40 stands for 40 MHz band width).
Finally, we just know that we don't know exactly :-). I think and hope, the Nexus 10 provides everything which is needed in terms of hardware to stream web content and to use Miracast simultaneously and it will be provided by any future update. Anything else would be a huge disappointment.
Sorry, for so much text.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||jptech||12/3/12 3:36 PM|
it's not Miracast certified. it's based on a draft of the specification.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||borchgrevink||12/5/12 1:46 AM|
You say CURRENTLY. Does this mean you are working on Miracast support for the N10?
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||jjaime||12/5/12 5:34 AM|
Google has said loud and clear. NO MIRACAST for current Nexus 10/JB 4.2. Check old postings
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||borchgrevink||12/5/12 6:20 AM|
I know Google says this status right now. But as Jan Schmidtbauer says a couple of post over this could be a feature just waiting for eg. certification. I hope...
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||jjaime||12/5/12 7:08 AM|
Let's hope. I also have a Nexus 7 craving for Miracast Wireless display :)
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Nitin Chawla||12/6/12 6:06 PM|
Thank you all for such a detailed discussion of this topic.
I own a GSM Galaxy Nexus (maguro). Just today using some early Cyanogenmod 10.1 release I upgraded to android 4.2, only to then find out the hard truth. This was one of the features I was waiting for since I heard about it. Finally wireless display feature in the open market to compete against the closed apple only products thru apple TV. I'm hoping some of you are right about certifications and driver updates as I'm sure the hardware is capable.
Even if Google doesn't do it, I hope our friends at XDA and Cyanogenmod figure a way quickly to port these drivers from the Nexus 4, if that's even a feasible jargon. Not a coder just a religious in depth user of Android.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||sanChoo||12/12/12 12:33 AM|
I found an interesting article about the new broadcom 4-combo chipset. It is stating:
"In a demonstration, Awad tapped a Google Nexus 4 handset to a Google Nexus 10 tablet to initiate a Miracast session. NFC was the network medium for the "handshake" between the devices, and then the faster Wi-Fi system took over to send the content."
What does that mean? At least, the nexus 10 will be able to be a receiver of a Miracast session? Looks like, its Wi-Fi system is fast enough.
Here is the full article: http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/mobile-phone/3416058/broadcom-says-chip-integration-will-drive-nfc-adoption/
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Ordieth99||12/19/12 12:11 PM|
No, Nexus 10 does not support Miracast. It was falsely advertised by Google and then later removed from their product features. The Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 4, and Nexus 7 all have chips that are certified for Miracast, but only the Nexus 4 received the blessing of Google's 4.2 to use Miracast. The Nexus 10 never even got certified for Miracast.
So, if you bought the tablet for the wireless display feature, then I am sorry to say, Google has failed you. Maybe they will patch it in a future version of Android... like we all hoped they would for the Galaxy Nexus' wi-fi direct / miracast capabilities.... which just never happened. pretty sure your best bet is just to wait for their next gen tablet or phone or whatever and hope they don't exaggerate the features again.
- slightly upset owner of galaxy nexus and nexus 10 devices
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||borchgrevink||12/19/12 12:53 PM|
It just doesn't make sense. Could it just be a delay in getting the certification from Miracast?
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Ordieth99||12/19/12 3:18 PM|
That is only part of it. There are several questions around if it could even handle a stream of that resolution with its limited wifi bandwidth.
Streaming 720 is a lot easier than 2560 x 1600.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||borchgrevink||12/19/12 10:26 PM|
Hmm, it wouldn't output the whole 2560 x1600 because no TV will be able to show all this, would it? Wouldn't it downscale in some way to 1080p?
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||sanChoo||12/20/12 2:54 AM|
@Ordieth99: No, I just wanted to mention that it seems to work in the lab or demonstration of the Broadcom Company - if I understand the article correcly -. So, it looks like to be a political issue rather than hardware limitations. At least, for the Nexus 10 being a Miracast receiver.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Nitin Chawla||12/25/12 3:02 AM|
I would imagine XDA/Cyanogenmod will be able to port the wireless display feature from Nexus 4 onto Galaxy Nexus.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Ordieth99||12/25/12 5:37 AM|
I am sure that it is possible, but unlikely. The nexus 4 is using an S4 chip, while the nexus 10 is using that Enyos chip. I believe that it's more than a software change and requires drivers and possible kernel changes.
Again, not sure on exactly what is required but I am pretty sure the nexus 10, galaxy nexus and nexus 7 won't easily get their miracast unlocked... If ever... And yes they are all "capable".
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Ordieth99||12/25/12 5:40 AM|
Oh, I am sure it would down scale the resolution, but that's just another task that has to be done on the fly that I don't think quite fits in the miracast standard. Which is probably why it hasn't received its certification. :-)
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Cory O'Brien||12/28/12 3:12 PM|
If you want, check out "Shiny ROM" for the Galaxy Nexus. The dev has the wireless display feature is in there. I don't personally have any way to test it out myself, but it is included in that ROM.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Roger Baird||12/28/12 3:58 PM|
Do you have a link to "shiny ROM"? I looked on XDA and didn't see it.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Cory O'Brien||12/28/12 4:06 PM|
Yes. I stumbled upon it on Rootzwiki, not XDA. I should also probably mention it's for the VZW Galaxy Nexus.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Roger Baird||12/28/12 4:12 PM|
This is the one time I wish a had the Verizon version. I wonder if it really works. If it does others will add it. Thanks for sharing.
|Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||LuvAndroidGadgets||12/29/12 2:40 PM|
Disappointed with no wireless display support for Nexus10 but as Nexus 4 works very well do not miss much. Only problem is when someone calling while watching videos or movies. All get disturbed. Anyway at least HDMI output is there unlike Nexus 7 with no display output in anyway.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Ordieth99||12/29/12 5:55 PM|
well i'll be a monkeys uncle. I just returned my PTV3000, so I can't test it now, but it doesn't look like anyone else has been successful yet. I will be watching this rom to see if it improves! (nice find!)
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|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Nitin Chawla||12/29/12 8:25 PM|
Cory thanks for following up. Definitely a good find. My next question was going to be has anyone successfully tested wireless display feature with the PTV3000 or any other adapter.
The one difference between Google and apple (even though I love android) is apple releases something when it's ready. If good adapters aren't available why is Google releasing the technology. Shouldn't they be selling these adapters well, building them into Google TV?
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||LuvAndroidGadgets||12/29/12 8:38 PM|
PTV3000 with latest beta update works very well with Nexus 4. I just found another Actiontec ScreenBeam which is also Nexus 4 compatible (as per their instructions for Nexus 4) and kit version works even with Win 7 and 8. I think it is good to have future tech ready devices.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Liquidrain7||12/29/12 9:14 PM|
Nexus 4 Miracast Demo with a Netgear PTV3000: http://youtu.be/DwvYrv2s9Kk
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Liquidrain7||1/9/13 9:04 AM|
Looks like Netgear has posted two software updates for the Netgear PTV3000: http://www.netgear.com/landing/stream/tv/#push2tv#software
However, the download links don't appear to be live just yet.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Tobias Zillmann||1/10/13 7:26 AM|
since firmeware update its working.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Liquidrain7||1/10/13 10:11 AM|
Do you have a download link for the firmware update? I have not been able to locate the download link other than on the Netgear site (which is still not live). Thanks!
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||jjaime||1/10/13 10:44 AM|
PTV3K_V2.2.4.sbin provided by Netgear developer JS. Remember, is a BETA, so test it at your own risk. Is working with some little bugs in my unit. Feedback for the group would be nice.
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|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Tobias Zillmann||1/11/13 8:15 AM|
Found it was bit tricky.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Robert H.||2/17/13 8:13 AM|
Frustrating that this feature is advertised very little and it makes me wonder if any future Android device will add the hardware to allow Miracast to work.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||Roger Baird||2/17/13 8:20 AM|
It's brand new technology. It's still very early.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||M. Jenkins||3/22/13 9:06 AM|
Sorry to bump this old thread, but the GT-P8110 is listed a Miracast certified device. I too would like to purchase several of these tablets, but only if they support Miracast. One would think that the WiFi Alliance DB would be a good place to confirm this.
|Re: Nexus 10, Miracast and Netgear Push2TV 3000||M. Jenkins||3/22/13 9:19 AM|
I retract my own comment. I was apparently looking at the wrong product list. This is the list of Miracast certified source devices.