Rising Sea Level Animation v2.0

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Rising Sea Level Animation v2.0 BZoltan 3/28/07 2:18 AM
This Timeline one scary potential effect of climate change -- rising sea levels. Will your house be underwater? Will the desert become an ocean? Use the time slider to see which locations will be submerged as the planet's oceans rise.
Note: it's important to turn on the terrain in the "Layers" section of the Google Earth client. And for added effect, turn the 3D buildings layer on.
Close to your favourite seaside place.

How about your house? You can see your house, if your place is under 200m, above sea.

Do not forget: this animation is (only) a GAME!

San Francisco under sea: THE TIMELINE DOES'NT SHOW TIME!

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Re: Changing sea level by 1 m (Timeline) STWFfounder 3/29/07 9:01 PM
I heard about the ice sheets breaking up and drifting into warmer waters.
They say this is now happining at a rapid rate. We need people to join us at savetheworldfree.org so we can keep the pressure up on congress to push alturnitives to fossil fuels. will you join us? will your supportters join us? like turning a super tanker you have to start slowing hours before you want to turn. Thanks for the pics of SF find me at feedback SavetheworldFREE
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Re: Changing sea level by 1 m (Timeline) Villaman 4/1/07 4:51 AM
First I thank BZoltán for this wonderful idea and for draining attention to Global Warming with his skills and his unique aspect using the power of GE. 5*

STWFounder: Its evident, we join you with all of our might. People are graby and hasty the world is yet too slow for us. It cannot assimilate the organic material we push back to the atmosphere. The largest CO2 acceptors are the algae in the oceans creating organic material from the CO2 but the sedimentation is not as fast as is the burning of the fossilic fuel. It is the material of an ancient ecosystem and this ammount of organic material do not fit in ours. We spare a lot of energy in the fight with our own sins. Imagine how much energy is spared to public light. For example: If there won't be robbery at night we could earn this spared energy. There is so much to do, but first we have to get rid of the fossilic energy before it is too late. Please read THIS conversation.


Re: Changing sea level by 1 m (Timeline) giasen 4/3/07 1:35 PM
i'm all for alternative engergy and such, but have you heard of the terms 'interglacial' and the 'sun'?
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Re: Changing sea level by 1 m (Timeline) Villaman 4/6/07 9:33 AM
Hi Giasen!

It is a possibility that we are in an interglacial period of earth history.


that is something we can't change or modify even a bit. Or wait, well.... maybe when world-powers testing rockets, than they tossing the Earth.
Who knows? But I know that we could reduce drasticly the use of fossilic energy, that way the CO2 concentrations in the air.

Have you ever meditate on possible biological effects of increasing CO2 in the air?
Re: Changing sea level by 1 m (Timeline) giasen 4/6/07 4:20 PM

you make a valid point. one of the biological effects of co2, which we exhale, is used by plants. give me a call when you can produce an engine that harnesses ambient static electricity for power. we should come up with solutions before we let the luddites take over.
Re: A Spectacular timeline: Changing sea level by hotwellian 4/9/07 4:37 PM
Neat effect, BZoltan, but surely the effect of the animation is of the order or ten or more metres, rather than one?
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Re: A Spectacular timeline: Changing sea level by BZoltan 4/11/07 1:06 AM
Hi hotwellian!

Try the effect with different metres! Unfortunately you can't choose less than one meter, and can't choose "0" meter.

Best regards!
Re: Changing sea level by 1 m (Timeline) Villaman 4/11/07 1:32 AM
Hi Giasen!

There is nothing wrong with the engine. The problem is with the fuel. I created two figures to illustrate what I am talking about.
The first figure represents the present situation. Our engines working with fossilic fuel. The ecosystem wich we are living in is not prepared for such ammount of organic material and never will be prepared. That ecosystem was fallen, pushing back its material is no good. Algae will multiply rapidly to assimilate the carbon in excess, but still the burning is so fast that the global climate will change as we can feel it already.

Rapid evolution of microorganisms is not an utopia anymore, politicians must act before we delete entire cultures or our race from this globe that we love so. Still there are lots of alternatives here I present one:

If we create fuel from the material of our present ecosystem - and leave the fossils in peace- we can create an equilibrium and our machines will run too. Im am sure that the 21th century genetic science will overcome this problem and create plants that produce fine oil for our engines.
It is not my task to create, finance these engines or these fuels, but even if it would be I think I would find myself against international laws. The power of oil was never this cruel.
We are here just for the idea.
The other possibility: Politicians wait until the soil become desert and we won't have any chance against dwindle.

I would like to invite everybody to the 'Hurricanes' thread also!
Re: Changing sea level by 1 m (Timeline) Jeff_Norman 4/11/07 9:54 AM
Hello Villaman,

We have to be careful with Bio-fuels. Right now, the increase in price of corn and acceptance of biofuels is creating social and environmental disasters in many parts of the world.

Take for example a brazilian person growing corn or wheat to sell in the local markets; the high price of corn brought on by legislature to increase the use of biofuels in first world countries has caused this farmer to raise his prices and sell to the international markets. Now the corn is too expensive for locals....and they are starving.

On the environmental note.....when it is so economically rewarding to grow corn.....people clear rainforests to plant corn......a little bit counter productive dont you think?

especially since the clean burning properties of ethanol and other plant oil based products are very small.

Good intentions are not always good results.
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Re: A Spectacular timeline: Changing sea level by monstermike 4/11/07 3:15 PM
This is a fantastic layer.

Most people don't realize that in entire history of the Earth (~4.5 billion years), ice caps are actually the exception rather than the norm. Yes, I agree that we humans are creating an environmental disaster through the use of fossil fuels but I believe a lot of so called environmentalists are hurting our cause misquoting proven science making it harder for people to move forward. Especially when most people who are not familiar with science, like politicians and your average joe reading the newspaper hears all these dissenting sides of the argument with many clearly unscientific and easily disproven myths about global warming and the environment in general.

It would be interesting to see if we could make a layer that shows throughout the history of the Earth, the glaciation periods and warming periods kind of like a movie format.

source: geology/earth science classes at university.
Re: A Spectacular timeline: Changing sea level by 1 m 46guys 4/11/07 5:15 PM
Good Idea! I will try to help you!

Re: A Spectacular timeline: Changing sea level by syzygy 4/12/07 12:30 AM
hi monstermike and welcome to GEC!
thought you might be interested in this one:
Global Paleogeographic Views. (Time Animation)
Re: A Spectacular timeline: Changing sea level by Villaman 4/12/07 4:54 AM
Greenhose effect is also worth mentioning in this conversation. A clear, proven scientific fact. Here is another fact from wikipedia:

Global temperature follows the increasing CO2 in the air.

Ice caps and active vulcanos Villaman 4/18/07 1:02 AM
Hi everybody!

I've checked the Time animation by Valery and I concluded that indeed the icecaps are rather rare if we view the whole history of earth.


when the globe was young volcanic activity was more intense. There were ages when lots of CO2 and other greenhouse gases filled the atmosphere due to vulcanic activity. Therefore the global temperature was higher those ages.
The globe is older now, volcanic activity is not elevating its temperature anymore, what changes the climate today is: human activity.
Re: Ice caps and active vulcanos Forkboy2 5/6/07 11:22 PM

Hi everybody!

I've checked the Time animation by Valery and I concluded that indeed the icecaps are rather rare if we view the whole history of earth.

I wouldn't put too much faith in the accuracy of the way the ice caps are shown in that time animation. I find it pretty hard to believe someone can figure out where the ice caps were that far back in time, when the continents weren't even anywhere near their current location.

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Re: A Spectacular timeline: Changing sea level by 1 m BZoltan 7/6/07 12:27 PM
Any of you ask me to create an other version of Rising sea level to 200m . Here you are. Enjoy it!
Re: Changing sea level by 1 m (Timeline) Diane9247 7/22/07 9:32 PM
I agree with your point about corn, Jeff. Believe me, I'm all for another answer to our fuel/carbon crisis, but I also worry about forests everywhere. It's a very difficult balance to aim for: producing a better fuel vs. saving the forests from us all. America, specifically conservative America, is a shockingly poor leader on these issues. I don't have much hope that the "solutions" out of Washington will be based on
common-sense science. I'm reminded of one of the hottest topics of the '70s: overpopulation. Remember that? It's also one of the core causes of the environmental trouble we're in, though it's nowhere in the news, even now. It wasn't long before the '70s hot topic was, in effect, censored by the Christian Right. (The Catholic Church has similar views on the overpopulation problem, but they're not nearly as influential in American politics.) We certainly could have been the leading nation and brought everyone along with us, but Americans are looking more and more toward solutions from the Bible and pseudo-science. The pressure of the Christian right (and the oil industry) on our politicians, who are terrified of displeasing them and not prone to action in the first place, demonstrate a shameful lack of interest in crises that are well-documented and empirically supported by decades of scientific study. This is militant ignorance, narcissism gone mad.

Something I've been wondering...what do we have to lose by "believing in" global warming, anyway? Why is there so much hedging about it, when we'd all be so much better off without doing what we're doing? I can't think of a downside for the planet to finding out, after all that hassle of changing wasteful habits, that global warming was a natural event, after all.
Re: Changing sea level by 1 m (Timeline) Villaman 7/26/07 12:59 AM
Why are there nothing about in the television or in the street wallpapers? Use your car less if you can! Travell with your neightbours to work, you save the world and can have a great conversation at the same time!
Why are there nothing, not a word about this? Media can change the thinking of costumers why can't it use its power to save whats left?

A campaign for the clear air, nice temperature and racional economic use of fossilic fuel. That would be something.
Well maybe it would not get the money to finance the wallpapers from the car factories and fuel producers I guess.
Re: A Spectacular timeline: Changing sea level by 1 m duordi 9/2/07 8:02 PM
I am interested in lowering sea level.
Can you explain how to change the sea level?


Re: A Spectacular timeline: Changing sea level by 1 m BZoltan 9/3/07 9:12 AM
Hi Duane!
This animation is only a game. What you can do in GE. BUT!
There are any possibilities to rising sea level, because of the weather. The average of the temperature is rising > the snow-melting and ice caps at the polars rises the level of the sea.
What causes the warming? It's much more difficult. Maybe the greenhouse effect.
A lot of people working on to stop, or reduce greenhouse effect.
So that's all...
Re: A Spectacular timeline: Changing sea level by 1 m fogtender 9/3/07 11:55 PM
The sea level has been steadly rising for thousands of years because of the end of the Ice Age that has not ended. The land Bridge from Russia to Alaska was slowly submerged as the ice caps begain to melt and raised the ocean levels within the last 25,000 years. Forest fires were common and natural before mankind started putting them out, now fossil fuels are being blamed. for doing the same thing. Nature has been far more violent to the Earth in general that anything mankind has done. In minutes earthquakes or volcanos can cause more damage than ten thousand years for man to duplicate. This "Global Warming" issue is just a normal cycle the Earth is going though and some people are trying to tag it as something that man did so they can create a power base for their own designs. Yep, man has screwed some stuff up, and can undo some of them, but in the overall big picture, we are just along for the ride. We are just one meteor away from being extinct, one flu bug or just someone running a stop sign. Oil will be gone in a few more decades and we may be back in caves or burning water (H20 does burn).

Just fourty years ago, the same types of folks were screaming that an impending Ice Age was coming.... There wasn't internet to pass it on to everyone so it just faded away. They can't even get tomorrow's weather right, do you really think they can get the next century right? If you do, then I have a bridge that you need to buy that is going to be the only high ground around.....
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Re: A Spectacular timeline: Changing sea level by 1 m Villaman 9/5/07 12:49 PM
Hi fogtender & welcome!

It was fun to read your explanation. However it is a bit paranoid thinking for me.
It is like you would decide not to shower to keep yourself clean because anytime
a carriage of excrement can fall into your neck so it don't worth the effort. Yep, man
has screwed lots of stuff up, and will undo all of them, our and the forthcoming
generation have the chance to do so. So don't be afraid -not even from sustainable
designs (it is far better business to humankind than oil industry)-, things will be solved
just strive on, and have faith.

Advertisings and public educational efforts have great importance in accelerating
the changes. Visit: 11th hour site
Re: A Spectacular timeline: Changing sea level by Rambler24 9/11/07 1:49 AM

Just fourty years ago, the same types of folks were screaming that an impending Ice Age was coming.... There wasn't internet to pass it on to everyone so it just faded away. They can't even get tomorrow's weather right, do you really think they can get the next century right? If you do, then I have a bridge that you need to buy that is going to be the only high ground around.....

A refreshing view, fogtender - and one which I agree with. What's missing in all the media hype and scare stories about CO2 and global warming is a view of the bigger picture. Many climatologists perform endless calculations trying to predict how much sea level will be affected by melting ice caused by this or that increase in temperature, while others point out that the thermal expansion of the top ocean layers would dwarf the icemelt effect.

As you say, there's very little we can do about it. Even if CO2 WERE responsible for the climate warming experienced over the last few decades, and even if the worlds' major countries were able to reduce CO2 emissions by say 10%, this would have virtually no effect. 10% of the 3% of atmospheric CO2 that mankind is responsible for is a VERY small proportion of the total. Worse than that, the relationship between CO2 levels and heating effect is logarithmic, so that complete removal of that 3% (which is of course impossible) would only result in about 1% reduction in the total heating effect of CO2.

Indeed, we're just along for the ride, and the way I see it, clinging on by our fingertips.
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Re: A Spectacular timeline: Changing sea level by Villaman 9/11/07 12:09 PM
Hi Rambler24!


As you say, there's very little we can do about it.Even if CO2 WERE responsible for the climate warming experienced over the last few decades, and even if the worlds' major countries were able to reduce CO2 emissions by say 10%, this would have virtually no effect.

I doubt that we can do nothing about that. We learn more and more about cellular mechanims. The technique is in our hands to speed up plant evolution. I am sure we will be able to improve our energy weeds with genetic engineering and will plant weeds that will assimilate more CO2 and will produce fine oil for our engines.

Article about chloroplast biogenesis
Re: A Spectacular timeline: Changing sea level by Rambler24 9/13/07 11:14 AM
Yes Villaman, but when we burn that biofuel oil we'll put all the CO2 back where it came from - in the atmosphere.

While I don't acknowlege the claimed role of CO2 in climate change, I'm all for finding alternatives to fossil fuels. Many of the proposed solutions have drawbacks which cannot be ignored, several of which Jeff_Norman mentioned. Wind farms and solar generators would have to be sited far away from centres of population to be effective, and the resulting long power lines would absorb a large percentage of the power output. The same goes for nuclear power stations, if we want them at a safe distance from our cities.

Wave and tide power is a possibility, but won't be much use to landlocked countries or those with a small coastline Geothermal energy looks promising, but again, likely sources are will be far from major cities.

On a lighter note, if we could harness all the hot air that's talked about global warming, CO2 emissions, melting glaciers and icecaps, the Kyoto protocol, 9/11 and JFK conspiracies, we could power the entire planet for decades. I'll drink to that - is there any beer in the 'fridge', or will I have to drive my gas-guzzling 4X4 the two hundred yards to the corner shop......
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Re: A Spectacular timeline: Changing sea level by fogtender 9/13/07 2:28 PM
When you look at the big picture, the Global Warming issue has been ongoing for thousands of years. The Great Lakes were covered in Glaciers some 15 to 20,000 years ago (if I remember my history somewhat). Who can be blamed for that loss of ice? I can only assume that by modern standards, early man and his flints with the ability to create fire was suspect.

They say that cows are now responsible for putting methane into the air, well before the millions of cows were raised, there were millions of Buffalo that did the same thing.

I am just waiting until common sense starts to get involved instead of these people with the "Global Warming" flags and banners, run the rest of us over with their "Sky is falling" thought process.

I live in interior Alaska and the fall season keeps getting longer and winters are getting milder and spring comes a bit sooner, but so what. What is normal for the planet doesn't mean that is it bad, maybe just for us.

What I am truely worried about is people hating other people more that they love their own children. When religions claim that killing others in the name of God is devine, then our end is much closer that a few warm centuries.

Sept. 11 and the like was only a prelude to what the world can expect to see as we worry about watching the sky as it gets a bit warmer, when the ground under our feet is crumbling.

Someday the same folks that brought us the twin towers, in the name of their God, will bring a mushroom cloud here that will dwarf whatever we knew as sane... from there things will truely go downhill...

When the dust settles from exchanging "Global Mushroom Clouds", "Global Warming" will truely not be an issue, if I recall correctly, the term is "Nuclear Winter" and maybe that is what we should be concerned with.

Until then, I will live life to the fullest and not be concerned that I don't have to cut as much fire wood for this upcoming winter because Nature set the Thermostat a bit higher for me.
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Re: A Spectacular timeline: Changing sea level by 1 m fogtender 9/13/07 3:01 PM
Thank you for a welcome.

I don't really think of myself as someone with "paranoid thinking" on the subject of "Global Warming" in general. What I do see is people running around trying to create an issue that we have very little, if any control over. Yet they are attempting to draw everyone into a frenzy to create some kind of power base, when there are things that really do merit our attention and survival as a whole.

I am more "Paranoid" of a group of people in the name of God, getting a Nuclear weapon and setting it off in a major city making 9/11 look like a popcorn fart. There is no mental differance in someone strapping on a vest full of explosives to kill men, women and children at a bus stop in the name of God, to someone flying a plane load of people into a building yelling "Alla be Great" at impact. I would think that a true God would be ashamed of that action taken in his name.

Mark my words, in time, these same folks will get a Nuclear weapon from _______________ (fill in the country making them) and either drive it over a boarder, float it into a Port city, or maybe even ship it overnite by express mail to vaporize a major population center. Mankind's history will repeat itself, the Earth evolves at it's own pace regardless.

As a note, even a full out Nuclear exchange really won't affect the Earth over all, sure it may be thousands of years before life can be reestablished or evolve, but what is that in a couple of hundred million year timeline.... a few miliseconds?

Simply put, I am rather amused at folks putting that much effort into something that is going to happen if we are here or not.
Re: A Spectacular timeline: Changing sea level by syzygy 9/13/07 3:31 PM
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Re: A Spectacular timeline: Changing sea level by 1 m Villaman 9/16/07 4:21 AM
You are right -lets be selfish- there are threats and problems more
worse than global warming. Today terrorism is already an everyday
problem. A new kind of war. World war. We never learn, two World wars
was not enough lesson for us. But there are people working on it. There
are secret agents, soldiers, policeman, firefighters involved to solve the
problem of terrorism as well as there are priests, community workers,
businessmen who put much effort everyday on it to put an end to social
injustice and huge differences between life quality on different parts of
the world (unfortunatly with very weak results yet). And who cares about
global warming? A few civilians. Thats all. Don't be selfish.



But who cares about the problem of Global warming? A few civilians. We
should put more money in to solve this problem also. The earth with all
animals and plants struggeling and diminishing -don't be selfish- this
problem is not just ours but our duty to solve it. That is why we are
Re: A Spectacular timeline: Changing sea level by 1 m fogtender 9/16/07 10:12 AM
You are correct, we are stewards of our enviorment. But the movement for "Global Warming" has been sucking the energy in a direction that is for a power play for the elite.

People believe that driving an electric car is more eco friendly, when in fact that is more toxic that a conventional car. You have thousands of pounds of lead acid batteries and such that have to be replaced every four to five years (at quite an expense too). You need coal power plants to create the energy to charge the car, so the fuel used is not much of a trade off in the overall picture, just out of sight, out of mind mentality is what these folks believe.

Coal plants can have scrubbers installed to clean the exhaust that they emit, but nobody wants them. Nuclear power plants emit nothing but steam from the cooling towers, yet they have a possible downside too, not to mention a target for terrorist to aim for and waste problems of their own and nobody wants them.

Wind is a good source of power, but nobody wants them in their backyard because of the "Looks" and noise they make when they operated with the "Wooshing" sound of the blade tips going though the air.

Even Solar cells create a major hazmat problem when they are manufactured and only last a few dozen years at best. I use them at my cabin for power, and they do save hauling fuel for the generator. Again, the downside is the cost of buying them and I have a bank of batteries that need replacing every five years or so.

Burning water is possible but not politcally correct because there is no way to tax it so they say that it is not feasable to do. Fact is that spliting H20 has been done for centuries since the wet cell battery was created. If you don't believe it, stick your face with a lit smoke in your mouth over a car battery when it is charging, what does the warning say.... "Explosive, no open flames"! Well when your battery is low, what do you refill it with....water, and when it is low again, what do you fill it with....water....duh.

Electrolisis action breaks the water into one part Oxg and two parts Hydrogen and when they burn, they turn back into water vapor. You can run a power plant off of water and still create surplus power at little cost to the enviorment. But it's hard to create a tax base when you can sneak water from your house's sink into your car with a fuel cell, and that would be a loss of trillions of dollars to the World from taxes and oil based industry.

The elite travel in fuel guzzling private jets and tell us to walk in the name of "Global Warming", something really stinks somewhere.

But then the current underlying issue of a global war is looming and raising it's ugly head. If everyone burns water, the mideast goes broke overnite while sitting on oceans of oil and it creates more of a black hole for poverty there and a breeding ground for people wanting to kill everyone else in the name of God, because all they have going for them is all the Virgins in Heaven waiting for them after doing God's work.

In the meantime, I get to cut a little less firewood for the upcoming warmer winter and use a lot less heating oil. The only thing I can depend on with all this. is a tax bill at the end of the year and the impending old age that comes from all this.... The rest will sort itself out, either though an attack common sense (which I don't hold much hope for) or major distruction of the planet as a whole to get the people's attention of those that remain.
Re: A Spectacular timeline: Changing sea level by 1 m Villaman 9/16/07 4:44 PM
Yeah I know there are lots of efforts that just don't work or impossible to
carry out them or just in a beggining phase. But there are lots of things
that can be done by individuals. They would even feel better. It is not
much effort just a bit of care and good decision.

When you buy something, you also vote. We vote every day we vote for
the products we buy and for the companies behind them. Don't vote to pollution!

Just quoted from the 11th hour website:

In America, people use 100 billion plastic bags a year--about 60,000 plastic bags
every 5 seconds. These bags take nearly 1,000 years to
break down. San Francisco just banned petroleum-based plastic
bags from all grocery stores in the city, which will save the city 450,000 gallons
of oil and prevent 1,400 tons of trash from ending up in landfills each
year. So, in the end, it's good for all of us.

Never go to shopping without this.
And don't accept plastic bags even if they are free.

For example, please carry phosphate-free detergents, long lasting
florescent light bulbs, locally grown and organic foods, 100% post
consumer waste recycled paper products like napkins, paper towels,
toilet paper.

Saving water is an important lesson for everyone. The average American family
consumes 300 gallons of water a day between flushing our toilets,
showers, washing dishes, clothes and cars--adding up to 495,000
gallons per person every year in the US. In Mozambique, the average
use per year is roughly only 475 gallons, or 1.3 gallons of water daily
(one toilet in the US can use 1.6 when flushing).

We could establish a recycling program, a reuse program, and
conservation program. We could fundraise for low flush toilets, start
changing school supplies, for example convert to 100% post consumer
waste recycled paper, toilet paper and napkins, and use washable
dishes and glasses in the cafeteria whenever possible.

100% recycled toilet paper

Also, could you please look into the most eco-friendly paper products?
In the US alone, 95% of the old forests are gone. With the average American
using over 700 pounds of paper each year, and with more than
90% of printing/writing paper made in the US coming from virgin tree
fiber, this is an important lesson and practice for all of us.
Not only is deforestation causing a loss of biological diversity on an unprecedented
scale, it's causing us to lose between 50-100 animal and plant species
each day but we lose the benefit that healthy forests provide-
-they filter polluted water, remove air pollution, sequester carbon and provide homes for wildlife.

Recycled paper.
Also perfect to write/print on it.

I only feel good about buying 100% recycled paper.
All these suggestions could be solved immediately
by governmental operations. (put more tax on
products made with a polluting technology)
Re: A Spectacular timeline: Changing sea level by Rambler24 9/19/07 3:25 AM
Villaman and fogtender - I heartily agree! We're not talking here about personal sacrifice to save the world. These measures make sense and even better, save you money! A couple of years ago I moved to new flat (apartment). It's well insulated, and fitted with energy saving appliances, with fluorescent bulbs throughout. The gas heating boiler is the latest type, with instant hot water (no storage cylinder). The washing machine uses far less water than the one in my old place, and adjusts the amount of water to suit the load. Less water means less electricity to heat it, and less detergent is needed. My water is metered here, and the cost is much less than I'd expected - another benefit. Running costs overall are far less than I was used to previously. No personal hardship involved here!

I'm all for recycling, but excess packaging is a bugbear of mine. One of the worst examples I've seen was in a supermarket "snack" cabinet. A single orange packed on a green (are they trying to tell us something?) polystyrene tray, covered in polyester film with two labels stuck on it. One label proclaimed "citrus fruit product". Single bananas were similarly packed, though I guess the packing department didn't know what generic type of fruit a banana was, so it was simply labeled "single banana". What's the need for all this rubbish?

I'm also in favour of supporting developing countries by buying their produce, but not when that produce has to be flown great distances to arrive fresh, and locally grown produce is available. Most if not all of those countries grow more exotic fruit and veg. well suited to their climates, and I'm happy to buy those. The other types of product often need greenhouses and lots of water in relatively arid areas - not very eco-friendly, and from what I hear, of little economic benefit to the local people.
Re: A Spectacular timeline: Changing sea level by fogtender 9/19/07 12:02 PM
Conservation of what one uses is the first place to start. Where I live, I have a well that supplies water and a septic system that puts the waste back into the ground where it is purified by natural actions. Our use of water per person is low when you look at what is kept out of the "Stream" of chain of events, maybe less than a few pints a day.

Most cities have the water piped in from miles away, then pump the sewage miles the other way which has no long term resorce for replenishing the supply verses use. Or the sewage is sent to a large sewage treatment plant that "Cleans" it and dumps it into a river which carries it even farther from the source. In some areas of America, the total water table has dropped to a point that accessing water is getting to be an issue and areas farther out are being tapped to repeat the cycle.

Food supply has turned into a Global market, but there are safety issues to be concerned with. Some places put untreated human waste directly out in the fields for a water souce and that is a source for E-coli and other nasties. With various amounts of that food grown sourced into the whole world market there is a certain risk involved. Buying locally produced food at least gives you an idea of what conditions might be. This does nothing though for the third world countries that are trying to be in the Global market to support their farmers and the like.

Having your own garden is a great way to go, but most folks don't have the time or space to do so.
why won't this work for me? brobby 9/23/07 6:46 PM
i have turned on terrain, but my timeline is still a timeline, no water appears. help!
Re: why won't this work for me? BZoltan 9/24/07 3:35 AM
Hi brobby!

To start animation press the right arrow at the right side if the Timeline. All Timeline works this way.
The Mapmaker
Budapest, Hungary
Re: why won't this work for me? syzygy 12/17/07 10:44 AM
hi brobby!
also suggest to play timeline in Bounce mode!
Ethanol from cellulose? Villaman 4/30/08 12:20 AM
Hello Jeff!

You are right. Bioethanol production already caused famine in Africa as today everybody see (LINK). I have found something that can be a possible solution:

Imagine converting virtually any waste--grass, municipal waste, old tires, wood chips--into fuel for your car. A company called Coskata claims it can do this using a patented bioreactor and anaerobic microbes found in nature (microbes that, although they're not genetically modified, are patented). Factories using this proprietary process could produce ethanol for $1 per gallon or less and sell it for twice that much, Coskata claims.
The bioreactor first phase is essentially an update of old-fashioned gasification, burning the feedstock at up to 4000 degrees Fahrenheit. Some organic materials can be gasified at lower temps. One advantage: Plant fibers also get converted to energy.
Either way, the feedstock is reduced to ash, which has agricultural uses, and carbon monoxide, hydrogen and that nasty greenhouse gas, CO2. Some of the exhaust might need scrubbing, but most of these gases are "fed" to anaerobic bacteria that consume them and emit ethanol as a waste product.
Unlike many cellulosic ethanol start-ups, Coskata doesn't aim to go into ethanol production itself. It wants to sell its processes and colonies of its proprietary bacteria to bigger companies that have the massive capital resources to build cost-intensive production facilities.
A 40,000 gallon/year demonstration plant will be announced on April 24. Then, a new partner would build a production plant making millions of gallons annually. Bolsen says he envisions one more round of drumming up venture capital and eventually an IPO.

(full story)
Re: Rising Sea Level Animation v2.0 Nogard2012 3/14/09 2:30 PM
You can even see flooded Mars now with GE 5
Re: Rising Sea Level Animation v2.0 Cory Brown 3/15/09 11:49 AM
I have always wondered why there is such polar opposites on the Global Warming/Climate Change issue. Even if there is credibility to the ones who deny it, there is no point or reason in continuing down the path we are on when it comes to the way we treat our home.

The proof is in the pudding.
Re: Rising Sea Level Animation v2.0 Groovy23 3/16/09 12:17 PM
I guess it's easy to be cynical and dismiss global warming as nothing more than media scaremongering or the Earth heating up naturally.

We're all aware of the fact of the Earth's natural cycle of heating and cooling. If we are in a warming cycle, why does it seem to be happening so fast, especially over the last 30 years? Surely, man made CO2 emmisions are accelerating the process significantly. Isn't it probable, that after so many years of pumping noxious fumes, we are poisoning our atmosphere? I really don't know if our ever decreasing forests can even begin to make up for all that.

Not too sure what terrorism and nuclear exchanges have to do with global warming. If there were a nuclear exchange in the future, or we were hit by a an asteroid, the planet would soon (in geological terms) heal itself.

At the current rate we are going, millions of people are going to be displaced, animal and plant species will be wiped out, and our environment will become uninhabitable and inhospitable to us. Our planet will remain unaffected though. The Earth has seen many catastrophes. It is still spinning. It has been host to countless animals and plants that have become extinct. We've only arrived relatively recently, and look at the damage we've done.

The Earth is our home, and we need to start looking after it. People, animals, plants - we all have the right to share this planet. Humans are the most intelligent of all the animals, and if we don't do anything about it, and soon, we're going to be very sorry...

So, let's not worry too much, eh. Let's keep on raping and pillaging our planet, and we will see, who gives way first.

The world is on the brink of dangerous climate change and immediate action is needed to avert it, scientists said yesterday, issuing one of the bleakest assessments yet of the state of the planet.

A strongly worded communiqué marking the end of a specially convened conference in Copenhagen concluded that climate change and its impacts match or exceed the worst fears expressed by the Nobel prize-winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change two years ago.

The statement, issued on behalf of 2,500 scientists from 80 countries, will be passed to world leaders in the coming months. Their summary of what global warming is doing to the planet warned policymakers: “There is no excuse for inaction.”

The demands and alerts contained in the statement were described as a defining moment in scientists’ relations with political leaders, represening a shift away from their traditional role of merely offering advice to telling politicians to act.

Professor Katherine Richardson, of the University of Copenhagen, who organised the conference, said: “We need the politicians to realise what a risk they are taking on behalf of their constituents, the world and, even more importantly, future generations.

“All of the signals from the Earth system and the climate system show us that we are on a path that will have enormous and unacceptable consequences.”

Findings from this week’s conference, designed to identify changes in scientific understanding of climate change, will be presented to world leaders and policymakers who will converge on the Danish capital in December to try to agree an international deal on bringing greenhouse gas emissions under control.

Recent observations of climatic trends, the new statement said, showed that the worst-case trajectories highlighted by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in 2007 were being followed or exceeded on a range of measurements.

“There is a significant risk that many of the trends will accelerate, leading to an increasing risk of abrupt or irreversible climatic shifts,” it said.

Scientists called for rapid, sustained and effective mitigation programmes to bring down greenhouse gas emissions.

They were particularly concerned that any significant delay in reducing emissions would lead to a range of tipping points being reached that would make it significantly more difficult to reduce greenhouse gas levels.

There was also a warning for politicians involved in negotiations over targets designed to reduce emissions. It was an implicit rebuff to Silvio Berlusconi and other European leaders who attempted last year to reduce the EU commitment to cutting emissions.

Despite the gloom, the scientists said that the tools to beat climate change already existed and if vigorously and widely implemented they would enable governments to bring about low-carbon economies across the world.

Source: Times Online

What more evidence do we need?

Still in denial?

Google Makes The Go Round!

Re: Rising Sea Level Animation v2.0 whimmy.cat 3/26/09 1:38 AM
when I do download the file 847094-RisingSeaLevelAnimationv2.0.kmz get a file which size is equal to zero
Re: Rising Sea Level Animation v2.0 BZoltan 3/26/09 9:44 AM
Thanks! I reloaded the kmz file, because the original file is injured or cracked.
Re: Sea Level Change JavaGAR 3/26/09 12:24 PM

New York City with 10 meters of flooding


Thank you for your great sea level rise animations. A sobering historical perspective is that many of our large coastal cities may have more history behind them than they can look forward to in the future unless they fortify themselves with seawalls or dams and maintain pumps in their subterranean infrastructure such as subways. With rising sea levels, some densely populated parts of the world must look forward to the prospect of flooding from storm surge well before increasing levels of normal spring high tides reach their homes and commercial areas.

The attached KMZ file is a version intended for selecting levels of inundation as an alternative to animating the progression. It contains two folders - one for selecting a view of a city, and the other with radio buttons for selecting a level of inundation in meters (0 to 200). Of course, when viewing the data on Google Earth, we should remember that no credible forecast of sea level rise expects anywhere near 200 meters of flooding. The file is best viewed with the Terrain and 3D Buildings layers activated.
Best Regards,

Re: Sea Level Change Groovy23 3/27/09 12:40 PM
Great job Java, thanks a lot!

we should remember that no credible forecast of sea level rise expects anywhere near 200 meters of flooding.

Quite! Otherwise most of the UK would be underwater! ofrown

Re: Sea Level Change saveNaturefree 3/28/09 6:42 AM

This image is taken from http://savetheworldfree.ning.com http://savetheworldfree.ning.com
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