|Peru meteorite crash 'causes mystery illness'||Hill||9/18/07 10:44 AM|
Text of an article from Guardian unlimited:
I suspect the crater was carved into an area of underground hot springs, and that the gas is mostly hydrogen sulphide. But further investigation is definitely in order.
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|Re: Peru meteorite crash 'causes mystery illness'||syzygy||9/18/07 10:52 AM|
very interesting! thanks for post!
on the photo a plain area can be seen around the crater.
are you sure it is the best "general region" for the mark? (maybe 20kms south?)
have gone for some aerial...!
|Re: Peru meteorite crash 'causes mystery illness'||Hill||9/18/07 11:11 AM|
Nope. It is just to point out the part of the world really. If you find anything more precise, add it to the thread. I'm sure it's not long before we have better information. I have several Google searches set up for it now. If it amounts to anything, I'll transfer the thread it to N&G.
|Re: Peru meteorite crash 'causes mystery illness'||syzygy||9/18/07 11:20 AM|
have found that village Caranca in an article (my 2nd quotation) but it does not seem to be "our" Caranca being far from the border mentioned...
|Re: Peru meteorite crash 'causes mystery illness'||Hill||9/18/07 3:31 PM|
|Re: Peru meteorite crash 'causes mystery illness'||danescombe||9/18/07 4:34 PM|
I could not find the town mentioned in all the international news reports
The nearest name i found near Lake T and in Puno Province is Capachica [ 15°38'22.34"S 69°50'12.34"W ]
It just goes to show how the news orgs play ' follow the leader ' !!
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|Re: Peru meteorite crash 'causes mystery illness'||Hill||9/18/07 7:13 PM|
Chiarcagua , found on the MSN Encarta map pretty well fits the bill for location and the spelling is close enough to the ones in the news reports. I'll adjust the placemark in the initial post to place it.
It appears to be near a lake bed in an area where the water table is close to the surface. There's a good chance there could be hot springs there.
EDIT: More recent information puts the likely crater back closer to the original description. I've edited the original post placemark to a polygon covering probable area of the crater.
EDIT: Carancas found in a database, so the location of the placemark in the initial post has been moved again. I'm so
|Re: Peru meteorite crash 'causes mystery illness'||syzygy||9/18/07 11:38 PM|
|Re: Peru meteorite crash 'causes mystery illness'||syzygy||9/19/07 12:33 AM|
|Re: Peru meteorite crash 'causes mystery illness'||Hill||9/19/07 10:18 PM|
|Re: Peru meteorite crash 'causes mystery illness'||danescombe||9/19/07 11:52 PM|
A specimen of the NWA 869 chondrite (type L4-6), showing chondrules and metal flakes
Chondrites are stony meteorites that have not been modified due to melting or differentiation of the parent body. They formed when various types of dust and small grains that were present in the early solar system accreted to form primitive asteroids...... REST OF WIKI ENTRY
|Re: Peru meteorite crash 'causes mystery illness'||tekgergedan||9/21/07 7:06 AM|
I think the name is correct but the articles contain confusing wrongful informations.
It is a small village which may not exist in maps.
Here are more detailed news of the events before those that are mentioned much:
The bbc image here is more clear which means it is far away from Desaguadero, not too close:
But the movie here
says it is an open land to the lake. Tilting and rotating around gives a belief that it is around the attached placemarks. Watch the mountains and the open horizon; they fit.
|near Peru meteorite crash (off topic)||syzygy||9/21/07 8:10 AM|
good work! we converge! thanks!
it seems there are water filled pits all around already... any ideas what geological features are they? some of them looks artificial.
...and whadda heck are these...!? 16°29'27.85"S, 69° 9'12.03"W and west alongside the road???
EDIT: placemark has been moved to "EarthBrowsing" in a NEW TOPIC
|Re: near Peru meteorite crash||Hill||9/21/07 10:23 AM|
Good find on the area Tek and g. This area has the same characteristics as the area I proposed much further south - but is much closer to the Bolivian town of Desaguadero. These areas appear to be old lake bed, or at least areas with very high water tables. And they have many semi-circular depressions similar to the crater. It looks like any time you dig down more than a few meters, you will strike water.
1. Did a meteor cause the crater in this case? There was some meteoric material supposedly found at this location - but was its origin really from the pit?
2. Did the water boil for a few minutes? Was the heat caused by the meteor strike? Meteorites found shortly after they fall often have frost coatings. While the surface heats during entry, that ablates and the core of the meteorite still maintains some of the cold of deep space. Could frictional heating of the crater formation heat water that much? I doubt it. The water is not boiling now - there is no detailed information on its current temperature. My first thoughts were that perhaps the meteor struck a geothermal source, but I have no idea about geothermal features in that area. There is a mountain to the north that the GE Geographic Features layer has 5 labels on that certainly looks like an old eroded volcanic cone and could be a source of geothermal features. But a geothermal source would not likely stop being hot after a short time.
3. Was the illness real or psychosomatic? Latest reports show no evidence of illness. If the crater formed suddenly and subterranean gasses were released (hydrogen sulphide is found in geothermal areas and is a product of lake bottom sediments) they could make some people feel ill if gas concentration was great enough. The area is over 12,000 feet in altitude and perhaps human physiology is more sensitive to such things at that altitude.
4. Are some people hoping for some publicity and trying to attract tourists? I'm just sayin...
I guess we'll have to wait for further developments.
EDIT: And here are a few. Read the latest article from the Los Angeles Times HERE. From the article:
|Re: near Peru meteorite crash||Hill||9/21/07 10:13 PM|
An on-line National Geographic article HERE is the most informative yet and answers most of my questions.
1. Was it really even a meteorite?
2. Did the water boil for a few minutes? Was the heat caused by the meteor strike?
Quote:3. Was the illness real or psychosomatic? Latest reports show no evidence of illness. See #2 above. It was probably real at least for some and may have been due to arsenic poisoning from compounds in the soil.
And there were seismic waves produced equivalent to a magnitude1.5 earthquake.
|Re: near Peru meteorite crash (off topic)||tekgergedan||9/22/07 7:53 AM|
If it was an underground explosion, would its shape like this? And nobody tells anything about rocks and particles around.
I think, it was a meteorite. The soil is soft as syz reminded. A few meters beneath comes the water. It looks like a very old river(s) bed from the sattelites which collapses everywhere. The very big rocks cannot come there with ordinary rivers but by strong flood events in non-documented times. So, the earth surface is only a soft coverage of a mixture of mud and big rocks.
So the thing must be burried in the mud below. As it is in the mud in the soil, the heat must have been absorbed faster than expected -at least it does not reach at the surface anymore.
Or, truely, it looks like a work of a construction machine too. But I don't think there is a machine of that size there.
Also, the said size has been expanded upto 5 x 30 meters. It looks even larger. Or the cameramen should use normal lenses without any extras on these events. They don't inform about the soil structure, either.
|Re: near Peru meteorite crash||Hill||9/22/07 9:48 AM|
I think the size quoted in the National Geographic article is probably more realistic, since it has now been actually measured by investigators.
|Re: near Peru meteorite crash||Hill||9/24/07 8:18 PM|
It looks like we can wrap this up for now. Nothing has appeared recently and the National Geographic article seems to answer all of the questions initially raised.
What we now know:
1) It was a meteor of the type called a chondrite.
2) The size of the hole is smaller than first reported though not the sort of thing you would want in your home.
3) There were seismic tremors produced equal to a 1.5 earthquake.
4) Some people, but not as many as the 200 initially reported, were sickened by gas given off from the crater. The impact was large enough to produce heat (most meteorites that have been found shortly after they landed were cold to the touch). The heat may have caused short-term boiling of ground water in a soil well-known for having arsenic in it. The gas is what made people feel sick.
5) A GEC poster by the name of viajero made only one post in February, 2007. But the post was:
In those 105,000 placenames is the town of Carancas . So finally we have the location of the town. It lies at ( -16.6438°, -69.0546° ) about midway between two guesses. Unfortunately it is in lower resolution than much of the area. Maybe next time the imagery around Lake Titicaca is updated, we can see the new area housing the anticipated tourist attraction.
I'll once again change the placemark in the initial post to show the true location of Carancas.
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|Re: near Peru meteorite crash (off topic)||syzygy||9/25/07 5:17 AM|
sorry, just have realised that the last 5replies were replies to my off topic question above...
i have moved placemark to "EarthBrowsing" in a NEW TOPIC.
thanks Hill all your searchwork on the crash site!
pretty cool GE-investigation you have provided!
hope we can see some aerial soon! (:
|Re: VISIONGEO||onofre444||9/26/07 9:30 AM|
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I WILL TRY TO FOUND A PICTURE SATELLITE OF THIS SITE.THANKS.
|Peruvian meteorite initial scientific reports||Hill||9/28/07 11:05 PM|
Two initial reports are now posted. Links to them are below:
Mysteries remain over Peru meteorite impact
The Carancas Meteorite Fall, 15 September 2007
There is a lot of new information, maps and images in both.
The meteorite came from the north-northeast and was bright enough to be seen in the middle of the day by residents of the city of Desaguadero (Illustration courtesy Lionel Jackson/Geological Survey of Canada)
|New Pictures - and it's for sale||Hill||10/6/07 8:12 PM|
Here's a link to Meteoriteguy's website. It has some closer pictures of the crater and a picture of the smoke trail left by the meteor as it passed through the atmosphere.
|Re: New Pictures - and it's for sale||Hill||11/30/07 2:49 PM|
Here is a photo of one of the Canancas meteorite fragments that is for sale.
|New information and a new theory.||Hill||3/12/08 9:24 AM|
Image: Peter Schultz, Brown University
You can read the complete article in a press release from Brown University here.
In time the link may disappear so here is the complete article: