|Swastika on US military property in San Diego||James_A||2/10/05 9:29 AM|
Is it just me or is this an odd layout for buildings on U.S.government property?
|Re: Swastika on US military property in San Diego||stiuskr||2/10/05 9:34 AM|
Wow, veerrry interesting. There's no mistaking that symbol. Good find.
"And sometimes is seen a strange spot in the sky A human being that was given to fly"....Eddie Vedder
|Did you know?||Lrae||2/10/05 10:15 AM|
|Re: Did you know?||James_A||2/10/05 3:40 PM|
Thanks for your highly informative links...I had no idea how ancient and universally positive the symbol had been throughout history and that the Nazis subverted the visual expression of four L's.
That being said, it still seems a little odd that some architect would have proposed that layout to the government without thinking it would stir a little controversy. Hopefully someone closer to the real place can shed some light on the history of those buildings.
|Re: Swastika on US military property in San Diego||banesi||7/26/05 10:23 PM|
Does someone knows in what year is this building built? If it is post WWII than we have something very interesting going on here ?! And to spice it up this one is military building ?!
|Re: Swastika on US military property in San Diego||Chief_Sparky||7/26/05 11:15 PM|
It's the barracks building for the Amphib base on North Island. It's been there a goodly number of years - I'm not sure how many.
From ground level, it's a nice building with 4 separate courtyards and a nice common area in the middle. Please note that it's not a single "swastika", but 4 separate buildings. It's no great conspiracy, guys... it's just 4 buildings.
|Re: Swastika on US military property in San Diego||SilverWyrm||7/26/05 11:45 PM|
Whoa, Amphib base? Like AMPHIBious? Is that island just off the coast there for testing/training purposes, then?
*loves amphibious vehicles*
|Re: Swastika on US military property in San Diego||Chief_Sparky||7/27/05 12:17 AM|
Then you'll love Coronado. Over there, you have Naval Amphib base, NAS North Island, and SEAL training. Be sure you turn on the Keyhole Community BBS layer in the Layers section of GE. Then just zoom out a bit from that placemark. Have fun.
|Re: Swastika on US military property in San Diego||Mirona||7/28/05 3:47 PM|
Hey - I looked up the base and THANK GOD it was built in 1917 !!
|Re: Swastika on US military property in San Diego||tulioleal||9/15/05 1:34 PM|
Dear Chief Sparky,
As a civil engineer I can guarantee to you that every building of this size has an architectural plan, which provides the projection of this building in the ground.
Yep, there are four separete buildings but, he (the architect) wanted to gain the effect of a Swastika when designing it. It was very clear in the plan...
|Re: Swastika on US military property in San Diego||SGTBARRETO||9/19/05 3:13 PM|
those buildings and the one to the left where the same arcitect . the ones n the left look like planes pointing to the swastica is that a cowink idink?i dont think so i herd that the swastica was frist made in the early 1900s!!
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|Re: Swastika on US military property in San Diego||Chief_Sparky||9/19/05 3:42 PM|
Since no one seems so inclined as to actually READ the links Lrae provided, I've taken the liberty to give you the text of the very first link in a google search of the word "swastika".
Please note, the most recent associations with the word and symbol bring to mind an evil regime that slaughtered millions, but... oh, just read the link.
Meaning of the word 'swastika'
The History of the Swastika
From Jennifer Rosenberg,
The swastika is an extremely powerful symbol. Though the Nazis used it to murder millions of people, for centuries it had positive meanings. What is the history of the swastika? Does it now represent good or evil?
The Oldest Known Symbol
The swastika is an ancient symbol that has been used for over 3,000 years. (That even predates the ancient Egyptian symbol, the Ankh!) Artifacts such as pottery and coins from ancient Troy show that the swastika was a commonly used symbol as far back as 1000 BCE.
During the following thousand years, the image of the swastika was used by many cultures around the world, including in China, Japan, India, and southern Europe. By the Middle Ages, the swastika was a well known, if not commonly used, symbol but was called by many different names:
China - wan
England - fylfot
Germany - Hakenkreuz
Greece - tetraskelion and gammadion
India - swastika
Though it is not known for exactly how long, Native Americans also have long used the symbol of the swastika.
The Original Meaning
The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix.
Until the Nazis used this symbol, the swastika was used by many cultures throughout the past 3,000 years to represent life, sun, power, strength, and good luck.
Even in the early twentieth century, the swastika was still a symbol with positive connotations. For instance, the swastika was a common decoration that often adorned cigarette cases, postcards, coins, and buildings. During World War I, the swastika could even be found on the shoulder patches of the American 45th Division and on the Finnish air force until after World War II.
A Change in Meaning
In the 1800s, countries around Germany were growing much larger, forming empires; yet Germany was not a unified country until 1871. To counter the feeling of vulnerability and the stigma of youth, German nationalists in the mid-nineteenth century began to use the swastika, because it had ancient Aryan/Indian origins, to represent a long Germanic/Aryan history.
By the end of the nineteenth century, the swastika could be found on nationalist German volkisch periodicals and was the official emblem of the German Gymnasts' League.
In the beginning of the twentieth century, the swastika was a common symbol of German nationalism and could be found in a multitude of places such as the emblem for the Wandervogel, a German youth movement; on Joerg Lanz von Liebenfels' antisemitic periodical Ostara; on various Freikorps units; and as an emblem of the Thule Society.
Hitler and the Nazis
In 1920, Adolf Hitler decided that the Nazi Party needed its own insignia and flag. For Hitler, the new flag had to be "a symbol of our own struggle" as well as "highly effective as a poster." (Mein Kampf, pg. 495)
On August 7, 1920, at the Salzburg Congress, this flag became the official emblem of the Nazi Party.
In Mein Kampf, Hitler described the Nazis' new flag: "In red we see the social idea of the movement, in white the nationalistic idea, in the swastika the mission of the struggle for the victory of the Aryan man, and, by the same token, the victory of the idea of creative work, which as such always has been and always will be anti-Semitic." (pg. 496-497)
Because of the Nazis' flag, the swastika soon became a symbol of hate, antisemitism, violence, death, and murder.
What Does the Swastika Mean Now?
There is a great debate as to what the swastika means now. For 3,000 years, the swastika meant life and good luck. But because of the Nazis, it has also taken on a meaning of death and hate.
These conflicting meanings are causing problems in today's society. For Buddhists and Hindus, the swastika is a very religious symbol that is commonly used. Chirag Badlani shares a story about one time when he went to make some photocopies of some Hindu Gods for his temple. While standing in line to pay for the photocopies, some people behind him in line noticed that one of the pictures had a swastika. They called him a Nazi.
Unfortunately, the Nazis were so effective at their use of the swastika emblem, that many do not even know any other meaning for the swastika. Can there be two completely opposite meanings for one symbol?
In ancient times, the direction of the swastika was interchangeable as can be seen on an ancient Chinese silk drawing.
Some cultures in the past had differentiated between the clockwise swastika and the counter-clockwise sauvastika. In these cultures the swastika symbolized health and life while the sauvastika took on a mystical meaning of bad-luck or misfortune.
But since the Nazis use of the swastika, some people are trying to differentiate the two meanings of the swastika by varying its direction - trying to make the clockwise, Nazi version of the swastika mean hate and death while the counter-clockwise version would hold the ancient meaning of the symbol, life and good-luck.
|Re: Swastika on US military property in San Diego||goofy174||9/20/05 9:52 AM|
I thought it was the German Embassy.
|Re: Swastika on US military property in San Diego||tulioleal||9/20/05 10:01 PM|
Hey Chief Sparky, I've read link previously and knew the Swastika is a symbol very much older than nazism.
But I still believe, as I said before, the architect wanted that the buildings, when looked from above, be arranged to form a swastika. For what purpose I don't know...
|Re: Swastika on US military property in San Diego||Chief_Sparky||9/21/05 8:03 AM|
I've yet to find definitive proof of when that building was built, but I've seen several suggestions that it was well prior to WWII. Not quite sure how to go about searching construction records on US Naval bases without drawing unwarranted attention from certain alphabet places, things being what they are these days. I don't really want to test the supposition that 'someone' is listening - I enjoy my fairly quiet existence these days - way too much of excitement in my youth.
Anyone have proof as to when that building was built??
|Re: Swastika on US military property in San Diego||QPO||10/20/05 5:28 PM|
Visit the Naval Air Station North Island andNaval Amphibious Base Coronado Website ; http://www.nasni.navy.mil/
Meanwhile maybe this will give you guys some of the data that you r looking for;
Naval Air Station, North Island (NASNI) is part of the largest aerospace-industrial complex in the Navy, the 57,000-acre Naval Base Coronado. The commanding officer of North Island is also the Commanding Officer, Naval Base Coronado. Additionally, he commands or administers Naval Amphibious Base Coronado, Outlying Field Imperial Beach, Navy Radio Receiving Facility, Mountain Training Facility LaPosta, Warner Springs Training Area and Naval Air Landing Facility, San Clemente Island. NASNI, with only its commands in the metropolitan San Diego Area, brackets the city of Coronado from the entrance to San Diego Bay to the Mexican border. North Island itself is host to 23 squadrons and 80 additional tenant commands and activities, one of which, the Naval Aviation Depot, is the largest aerospace employer in San Diego. North Island was commissioned a naval air station in 1917, 82 years ago. On August 15, 1963, the station, which was originally called the Naval Air Station, San Diego until 1955, was granted official recognition as the "Birthplace of Naval Aviation" by resolution of the House Armed Services Committee.
The 59-year-old Naval Amphibious Base was renamed in 1946, although it had been in operation as the Amphibious Training Base since 1943. It is host to thirty commands including the headquarters for the Naval Special Warfare Command, a second echelon command that is headquarters for America's elite maritime special operations forces - the U.S. Navy SEALs and Special Warfare Combatant Craft Crewmen.
The Navy's first aviator, Lieutenant Ellyson, and many of his colleagues were trained at North Island starting as early as 1911. This was just eight years after Orville and Wilbur Wright flew the first manned aircraft at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina. At that time, North Island was an uninhabited sand flat. It had been used in the late 19th century for horseback riding and hunting by guests of J. D. Spreckles' resort hotel the now famous Del Coronado.
North Island derived its name from the original geography. In the nineteenth century, it was referred to as North Coronado Island. In 1886, North and South Coronado Islands were purchased by a developer to become a residential resort. South Coronado became famous as the city of Coronado, but fortunately for the Navy, North Coronado was never developed. Instead, Glen Curtiss opened a flying school and held a lease to the property until the beginning of World War I. In 1917, Congress appropriated the land and two airfields were commissioned on its sandy flats. The Navy started with a tent-covered city known as "Camp Trouble". As you can tell by its name, things did not always go well in the early days. The Navy shared the island with the Army Signal Corps' Rockwell Field until 1937, when the Army left and the Navy expanded its operations to cover the whole island. In 1914, then unknown aircraft builder, Glenn Martin, took off and demonstrated his pusher aircraft over the island with a flight that included the first parachute jump in the San Diego area. The jump was made by a ninety-pound civilian woman named Tiny Broadwick. Other aviation milestones originating at North Island included the first seaplane flight in 1911, the first mid-air refueling and the first non-stop transcontinental flight, both in 1923. One of history's most famous aviation feats was the flight of Charles A. Lindbergh from New York to Paris in May 1927. That flight originated at North Island on May 9, 1927, when Lindbergh began the first leg of his journey. Forefathers of today's "Blue Angels", the three plane "Sea Hawks" from VF-6B, the "Felix the Cat" squadron, were thrilling audiences with flight demonstrations as early as 1928. They demonstrated the training skills of Navy fighter and bomber pilots and on many occasions, flew their aircraft in formation with the wings tethered together.
The list of American military pilots trained at North Island reads like the Who's Who of aviation; however, America was not the only country interested in aviation early in the twentieth century. Six years before the Naval Air Station was commissioned, Glenn Curtiss, the famed aviation pioneer and later aircraft manufacturer, trained the first group of Japanese aviators at his flying school on the Island. Among them was a LT C. Yamada would later become infamous as the head of Japan's Naval aviation in World War II.
Even the base's first commanding officer, Lieutenant Commander Earl W. Spencer Jr., USN, added a degree of celebrity to North Island. His wife was Wallis Warfield, a prominent socialite who was to remarry twice and finally become Wallis Warfield Spencer Simpson Windsor, the late Duchess of Windsor, for whom King Edward of England gave up his throne in 1936.
During the Second World War, the land between North and South Coronado, called the Spanish Bight, was filled a part of the base where most of the administrative and recreational buildings now stand. When approaching Flag Circle from the front gate, the last tiled roof building on the left was the original gate guard building as evidenced by the Army Air Corps insignia, a pair of flight wings bisected by a single blade propeller, carved in the window shutters. During World War II North Island was the major continental U.S. base supporting the operating forces in the Pacific. Those forces included over a dozen aircraft carriers, the Coast Guard, Army, Marines and Seabees. The city of Coronado became home to most of the aircraft factory workers and dependents of the mammoth base which was operating around the clock. Major USO entertainment shows and bond drives were held weekly at the Ship's Service auditorium which was later replaced by the 2,100 seat Lowry Theater. Big band singers and movie stars were stationed here or on ships home ported here during the war years including Douglas Fairbanks Jr. Future television cowboy star of the 50s and 60s, Guy Madison, who starred as Wild Bill Hickok, was still Seaman Bob Mosely, a lifeguard at the NAS crews' pool. Stars like the Marx Bros and Bob Hope appeared regularly at USO shows at the auditorium.
NAS North Island also operates two other airfields in the Southern California region. One is Naval Auxiliary Landing Facility (NALF) San Clemente Island, located 70 miles northwest of San Diego in the California Channel Islands. The other is Outlying Field (OLF) Imperial Beach, located 10 miles south of the base on the U.S.-Mexican border.
The air station resembles a small city in its operations. It has its own police and fire departments. It has large factories such as the Naval Aviation Depot, employing 3,300 civilians and its own parks, beaches, housing and recreation areas.
Its airfield has over 230 aircraft and its quay wall is homeport to three major aircraft carriers, USS Constellation (CV 64) and USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74), and the USS Nimitz (CVN 68). Additionally, the base is home to the Navy's only Deep Submergence Rescue Vehicles, Mystic (DSRV 1) and Avalon (DSRV 2). The DSRV motor vessel support ships is also home ported here.
North Island is headquarters for four major military flag staffs including: «««Commander Naval Air Force, U.S. Pacific Fleet, responsible for maintenance and training of all naval aircraft and aircraft carriers in the Pacific Fleet, ««Commanders Carrier Group One and Seven and ««Commander Cruiser Destroyer Group One. With all the ships in port, the population of the station is nearly 35,000 active duty, selected reserve military and civilian personnel.
The amphibious base houses two major military flag staffs including: «««Commander Naval Surface Force, U. S. Pacific Fleet, responsible for the training, maintenance and crews of the approximately 85 ships of the Pacific Fleet and «Commander Naval Special Warfare Command, U. S. Pacific Fleet. Also located there are most of the Naval Expeditionary and Naval Special Warfare units of the Pacific Fleet as well as the famed Navy Parachute Team, the Leap Frogs
|Re: Swastika on US military property in San Diego||bobthellama||10/20/05 7:30 PM|
Llamas are cool
|Re: Swastika on US military property in San Diego||UofLFan732||11/8/05 4:27 PM|
i was close to there, i never noticed this, but this structure is pretty interesting
|Re: Swastika on US military property in San Diego||Boris_Badinov||11/17/05 6:44 AM|
Who lives there... Well that's simple. It's the home of Amphibious Construction Battalion ONE (ACB-1), Two blocks to the North West is Beach Master Unit ONE (BMU-1) and Assualt Craft Unit ONE (ACU-1). By the way this photo is old (not ancient) as in prior to 1995. As all the vehicles are painted sand and the trucks are the older 2 1/2 ton version and not the newer 5 & 15 ton trucks that started arriving while I was there ('96 - '00).
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|Re: Swastika on US military property in San Diego||10Beers||11/25/05 10:18 AM|
It's a swastika and the side walks are s's
|i have proof||aaronclaydon||11/25/05 11:25 AM|
it was built in 1945 for a testing ground they were going to blow up the entire place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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|Re: Swastika on US military property in San Diego||Hill||9/27/07 9:26 AM|
The most recent update on this post comes from an article in the Los Angeles Times.
By Tony Perry, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
September 26, 2007
But certainly the first to post about it was James_A
Please read the rest of this thread for more about the history of this ancient pattern.
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|Navy to remodel swastika building for $600K||frelon||9/27/07 10:00 AM|
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|Re: Swastika on US military property in San Diego||sandiegoviewer||9/27/07 10:06 AM|
The following was in the San Diego Union Tribune 9/24/2007'....
They plumb missed the bird's-eye view.
That's what the Navy says. Amazing as it sounds, a Stonehenge-size facsimile of the most hateful symbol of the 20th century was overlooked until it was too late to reconfigure.
Let's back up a bit.
Almost 40 years ago, during the height of the Vietnam War, construction began on a six-building complex at the Coronado Naval Amphibious Base, south of Glorietta Bay.
Designed by prominent San Diego architect John Mock, the original blueprint consisted of two central buildings “and a single L-shaped 3-story barracks,” according to the Navy's official account.
The plan called for the L-shaped building to be repeated three times at 90-degree angles from the central buildings.
After the groundbreaking, Navy officials experienced a classic “Oh, no!” moment.
Viewed from above, the buildings known as NAB Complex 320-325 formed the outline of a massive swastika, an ancient symbol forever stigmatized by Hitler's Third Reich.
These days, painting a swastika on public buildings constitutes a hate crime. What do you say about buildings that form a swastika?
Well, time passed. The aerial homage to Nazi Germany quietly settled into the landscape.
Beginning last year, however, thanks to the satellite imagery service Google Earth, NAB Complex 320-325 burst into an Internet supernova.
What for decades was at best a jumpy glimpse from an aircraft became a crystal-clear horror show frozen in time and space. Indelibly stamped into the heart of the military base, the swastika hits you like an iron fist.
Type in “Coronado” and “swastika” on Google and you'll find some 60,000 hits, most of them referring to the now-notorious complex, which most San Diego County residents are unaware of.
Surfing the sites, you run into bizarre theories posing as facts.
German POWs built the complex during World War II as a tribute to Hitler. Nearby buildings, shaped like planes, are flying toward the swastika.
The truth, as the Navy says, appears to be less exciting.
Architect Mock, whom I could not reach through family members, told a KFMB-TV reporter last year that he knew what the overhead perspective looked like at the time, but he still didn't believe that the unconnected buildings constituted a true swastika.
Technically, maybe not.
Viscerally, for sure.
After learning of the controversy last winter, Rep. Susan Davis, D-San Diego, who is Jewish, said she had discussed the buildings with the Navy and “was supportive of their efforts to find a feasible solution.”
Despite the sensational subject, the swastika story received relatively light press coverage here – a TV report and a comprehensive December article in the San Diego Jewish Times.
After that sunburst, the swastika buildings dropped off the media radar.
Behind the scenes, however, the Anti-Defamation League, the Jewish organization dedicated to eradicating hateful speech and symbols, was quietly tracking the Navy's efforts to develop a “feasible solution.”
Every couple of months Morris Casuto, local director of the ADL, called up the office of Rear Adm. Len Herring, commander of the Naval Region Southwest, to inquire how things were going.
“I'm not prepared to prescribe evil motives,” Casuto told me. “Everyone makes mistakes. But when you screw up, say you're sorry – and fix it.”
Acutely aware that the Navy had higher priorities during wartime, Casuto wasn't asking for major money or time.
Maybe something along the lines of a tarp stretched between buildings.
Something, anything, to alter the symbol that evokes anguish among many Jews, World War II veterans and others.
On Wednesday, Casuto received good news. “I now have the sense the Navy is committed to changing this because they know it's right,” he told me, the admiration ringing in his voice. After studying and rejecting various forms of camouflage, the Navy has budgeted $600,000 for fiscal 2008 to finally solve what it considers a “legitimate concern,” said Scott Sutherland, deputy public affairs officer for the Navy Region Southwest.
“We take this very seriously,” Sutherland stressed. “We want to be a good neighbor.”
Two corrective measures likely will be blended, said Sutherland, who had just been briefed by Navy engineers. The first adds pavement, rock formations and landscaping to blur the offensive profile.
The second envisions large photovoltaic panels on the roofs of NAB Complex 320-325. If that's done, solar power will be generated from atop the transformed Coronado swastika.
What some might view as a sour lemon, a poor use of Navy money in a time of war, could wind up generating a steady stream of sweet juice.
|Re: Swastika on US military property in San Diego||stimyg||10/2/07 12:09 PM|
I'm researching a story about this, for a comedy-news TV show. Do you know of, or do you know where I might find, further examples of offensive or ridiculous images that have been revealed thanks to Google Earth?
|Re: Swastika on US military property in San Diego||fpinews||10/10/07 4:59 PM|
THIS SWASTIKA WAS PURPOSELY DONE. IF YOU PUT THE BUILDING TO TRUE “NORTH” IT ALIGNS VIRTUALLY PERFECT WITH THE GERMAN FLAG. FOX NEWS FORGOT ABOUT THIS LITTLE DETAIL.
|Re: Swastika on US military property in San Diego||N715DP||10/23/07 7:24 AM|
I suppose it's all a conspiracy by the Bush Administration that started nearly 50 years ago...
|Re: Swastika on US military property in San Diego||sandiegoviewer||10/31/07 6:12 PM|
Does anyone know of a site that shows different dated satellite images? I was at the Gillespie Field Aerospace Museum today and inside was a sweet satellite image of all of Sand Diego. It shows this site prior to the Naval Barracks that resemble a Swastika. I wasn't able to get the best look at it however because it was high up on a wall. If anyone knows of such a site be sure to reply
|Re: Swastika on US military property in San Diego||crossedcannons||12/23/07 3:16 PM|
I lived in this building for over a year. it was built in the 50's shortly after ww2 and the nazis. The thing most people fail to notice is the other buildings next to it shaped like bombers aimed at the swastika.
|Re: Swastika on US military property in San Diego||postal1||12/24/07 3:42 PM|
religious symbol! Like anything it can be perverted!
Archaeological evidence of swastika-shaped ornaments dates from the Neolithic period. An ancient symbol, it occurs in numerous indigenous Asian, European, African and Native American cultures; sometimes as a geometrical motif and sometimes as a religious symbol. It has long been widely used in major world religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism.
The swastika was appropriated as a Nazi symbol and gained further association with the Third Reich as the Reich gained influence. Though once commonly used all over much of the world without stigma, over time the symbol has become a controversial motif, especially in the Western world
|Re: Swastika on US military property in San Diego||Seacadet||1/24/08 6:15 PM|
I Was There For Petty Officer Leadership Academy, I Saw Nothing But Bachelor Enlisted Quarters...I Highly Dout Theres Anything Odd About It..
Its Just Four L Shaped Buildings.
|Re: Swastika on US military property in San Diego||dgt||1/25/08 9:20 AM|
Of course. See THIS post. They have doing stuff for years.
|Re: Swastika on US military property in San Diego||gnubi||6/29/08 4:20 PM|
You must be normal, SeaCadet.
If one believes the swastika, seems like they would have to believe the bombers. And if one believes both, then you have a commemorative monument. If you believe only the swastika and discount the bombers, that probably says more about the viewer than the architect. People see what they want to see.
Buildings in the shapes of of stars, crescents, hammers, sickles, and circles could be architectural expressions of sympathies with other murderous regimes. And don't get me started on Lucky Charms cereal.
In google earth, my home is 50% of a swastika when seen from above. And there's no gap between the two opposing arms. Maybe if I detach the garage.....although that was no excuse for the USN.