SAM site overview - 2107 sites, and counting!

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SAM site overview - 2107 sites, and counting! SOC 5/1/06 3:06 PM
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Re: SAM site overview Adamspace 5/2/06 8:11 AM
I send you update with comments for few countries. A have not enough time to check another ones, now.

Regards
Re: SAM site overview Adamspace 5/3/06 12:14 AM
Update for Libya and Egypt, should read with oryginal SOC kmz file.

Regards
Re: SAM site overview SOC 5/3/06 6:12 PM
Added a bunch of stuff Adam found and some other updates, reuploaded the file.
Re: SAM site overview SwingKid 5/5/06 10:03 PM
None in Yugoslavia, huh?

How about:

44`40'14.62" N, 20`11'16.64" E

-SK
Re: SAM site overview SOC 5/5/06 11:28 PM
Hey I just hadn't gotten there yet That's an SA-3, by the way!
Re: SAM site overview stochelo 6/11/06 7:24 AM
15 active SA-2/SA-3 sites in Egypt.
Re: SAM site overview SOC 6/12/06 10:44 PM
Big update. Added a whole bunch of SAM sites in Syria, Libya, and North Korea. Also added what I've got so far for China, and some new Russian sites.
Re: SAM site overview SwingKid 6/13/06 9:27 AM
Re: Syria.

Have you confused Shayrat airbase for an SA-5 site?

-SK
Re: SAM site overview SOC 6/13/06 9:33 AM
Oops What can I say, I was on a roll! I'll fix the file when I get home tonight, thanks for catching that.
Re: SAM site overview DigitalMechanic 6/14/06 9:32 AM
This site is supposed to be a unranium enrichment facility in Iran... Looking around the site (all along the main road ecompassing the site)there are multiple similar structures but I can clearly recognize them...

I think this is an AA gun or SAM site of some kind... ????
Re: SAM site overview Zigi 6/15/06 12:39 AM
I think I found another SAM site in Syria.
Re: SAM site overview stochelo 6/15/06 1:34 AM
Yes, this is a SA-2 site.
Re: SAM site overview LeX2 6/15/06 4:10 AM
Attached are two jpgs showing all the Czech SAM site locations (32) between 1961-1999, around Praga, Kralovice and Brno.
Re: SAM site overview PavelP 6/18/06 8:45 AM
I'm adding coordinates of only S-10/S-300, both S-5/S-200 sites in Czech Republic plus list of SA-2/S-75M sites and one missing SA-3/S-125 site near Brno CZ.
This is not complete list of SA-2/3 sites for CZ, there are 5 sites near Ostrava and 19 sites near Praha. I'm not sure if we have active sites in CZ today.
Sources: http://mapy.seznam.cz/ , http://www.blackjacks.ic.cz/pvo_brno.html ,
http://vojenstvi.cz/vasedotazy_33.htm

50°10'29.05"N,13°58'18.53"E SA-10 (Kacice)
49°50'57.77"N,14°9'57.17"E SA-5,SA-3,SA-2 (Brdy)
49°12'12.76"N,16°16'2.17"E SA-5 (Rapotice)
49°23'27.16"N,16°30'12.36"E SA-2 (Rohozec)
49°9'36.28"N,16°14'50.14"E SA-2(Ketkovice)
48°57'10.92"N,16°35'9.99"E SA-2 (Vranovice)
49°4'52.79"N,16°57'34.73"E SA-2 (Koberice)
49°7'15.96"N,16°42'57.73"E SA-3 (Sokolnice)
Re: SAM site overview SOC 6/18/06 2:09 PM
I added the SA-5 and the last SA-3 you listed (it is empty). The other ones aren't visible in the existing coverage...yet! I'll update the placemark file here shortly.
Re: SAM site overview SOC 6/18/06 3:21 PM
Added it.
Re: SAM site overview SOC 6/18/06 3:22 PM
Added.
Re: SAM site overview SOC 6/18/06 3:23 PM
Looks like a guard tower to me?
Re: SAM site overview SOC 6/18/06 4:12 PM
Check out the new file, I found a bunch more sites in Egypt as well.
Re: SAM site overview rcd2951 6/19/06 10:41 AM
Being a noob to GE, I am wondering about how to go about eliminating duplicate entries automatically.

I have started organizing all this stuff according to US Combatant Command Areas of Resposibility (EUCOM, PACOM, CENTCOM, etc),

But seems like every time there's any sort of update (which I download) there are tons of duplicate entries added. I know that in the Mil Intel world we would catalog them and assign a unique identifier to each one...

Does GE allow mw to eliminate based on say duplicate label and identical coordinates?


Love all the SAM & SIGINT work. Anyone find any Kolchugas, Ramons, SWING BOXES, PAINTBOXES or other FSU SIGINT/EW systems?


Regards

JP
Re: SAM site overview SwingKid 6/19/06 9:45 PM
Quote:

Love all the SAM & SIGINT work. Anyone find any Kolchugas, Ramons, SWING BOXES, PAINTBOXES or other FSU SIGINT/EW systems?




If you look on the mountaintop somewhat WNW of Yalta in Crimea, Ukraine (sorry, no placemark handy), you'll find what is often mistaken for an astronomical observatory complex:

http://community.livejournal.com/foto_kpblm/81802.html

It turns out (to my surprise) that this is actually a PVO radar station for observing NATO ships and aircraft operating all over Turkey:

http://www.kpbim.ru/MeG-showpic-pid-978-orderby-dateA.html
http://www.radioscanner.ru/forum/index.php?action=vthread&forum=4&topic=23153

Do you know anything about those radars? The last one is apparently a "19Zh6" centimeter-band radars.

I can't believe the size of the radomes they built to house those things... Why?! Does this site have a NATO codename?

-SK
Re: SAM site overview SOC 6/19/06 9:51 PM
I think I have that site placemarked as a radar facility in this file:

http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthreaded.php/Cat/0/Number/392284/page/

Is that the site you're talking about?
Re: SAM site overview SwingKid 6/20/06 8:49 AM
That's the one. Whoops - I stopped paying attention to the updates of that file and started making my own, when you didn't mark my hard-researched shooting range.

There's apparently another such radar site near Feodosiya, but there's only lo-res imagery there.

-SK
Re: SAM site overview SOC 6/20/06 9:28 AM
I forgot the shooting range?
Re: SAM site overview SwingKid 6/20/06 9:56 AM
Maybe my posts in that thread were just getting overlooked?

http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthreaded.php/Cat/0/Number/396063/page/0/vc/1
http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthreaded.php/Cat/0/Number/395811/page/0/vc/1
http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthreaded.php/Cat/0/Number/466158/page/0/vc/1

Note my "astronomical observatory" is wrong, the Simferopol power plant label should be a bit more south-east, and there are a few other things I've found since then, but I thought there would be something of interest for you in there, especially the hilltop S-300 search radar position. I've only seen it there about twice.

One of my favourite places in the world!

-SK
Re: SAM site overview SOC 6/20/06 11:40 AM
Cool. I'll add this stuff in there when I get home tonight, I must have missed your posts!
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Re: SAM site overview SOC 6/20/06 2:07 PM
Added a bunch of stuff to the file!
Re: SAM site overview SwingKid 6/20/06 3:10 PM
Check 45`02'34" N, 36`13'37" E.

This is the Cape Opuk S-300 (SA-10) site. It was used in October 2001 to test SA-2, SA-3, SA-5 and SA-10 SAMs, during the course of which a Tupolev airliner was accidentally shot down by an SA-5 over the Black Sea.

-SK
Re: SAM site overview stochelo 6/24/06 12:55 AM
Empty SA-5 site, near Perm.
Re: SAM site overview Analogman 6/24/06 1:38 AM
Nice compilation.
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Re: SAM site overview stochelo 6/25/06 5:26 AM
Two SAM sites in Egypt. I don't know what the second one is (EDIT: SA-2, see Analogman's post). It appears to have two-rail launchers, but looks different from the other SA-3 sites.

(Just in case you didn't notice, there's an unmarked SA-3 (?) site at 30.085, 31.423 posted by Adamspace earlier.)
Re: SAM site overview Analogman 6/25/06 5:38 AM
The site marked with the ? is an SA-2 site. The shadow of the launcher might make it appear to be a two armed launcher but it is, indeed, a single-rail SA-2.

When viewed from overhead, the two-rail SA-3 launcher resembles a grasshopper whilst the four-rail version looks like a stubby dinner fork.

The northernmost of the two sites is an SA-3 site. You can clearly see the twin-arm launchers and you can even see a missile transporter backed up to the launcher in the 4 o'clock position, in the process of moving missiles either on to or off of the launcher.
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Re: SAM site overview stochelo 6/25/06 6:05 AM
I posted this when I saw you were online. Your comments on Virtual Globetrotting were very interesting, I'm glad you finally came here.
Re: SAM site overview SOC 6/25/06 9:17 AM
Updated the file.
Re: SAM site overview SOC 6/25/06 10:55 AM
Added 35 more sites in Egypt.
Re: SAM site overview SOC 6/25/06 1:31 PM
Added Estonia and Latvia, and added a few more sites in Angola.
Re: SAM site overview SOC 6/25/06 1:50 PM
Added an Armenian SA-3 site!
Re: SAM site overview SOC 6/25/06 2:24 PM
Added a few more in Iran.
Re: SAM site overview SOC 6/25/06 10:46 PM
Added some more sites in Turkmenistan.
Re: SAM site overview Zigi 6/26/06 1:30 PM
Standard arrays, unusual location :-). I guess they only serve as targets for training pilots (Negev desert, Israel).
Re: SAM site overview SOC 6/26/06 4:00 PM
MASSIVE update. Here's a list of the countries that were updated/added:

Angola
Armenia
Azerbaijan (first SA-4 GANEF sightings!)
Georgia
India
Latvia
Pakistan (worst A/D network ever?)
Turkmenistan
Vietnam
Yemen
Re: SAM site overview stochelo 6/27/06 3:01 AM
Amazing.
Do you have a special technique to find all those sites?
Re: SAM site overview LeX2 6/27/06 5:58 AM
Did you happen to find all those SA-5 sites on your own, or leeched the locations from my rammstein.dfmk.hu/~s200 site?
Re: SAM site overview SOC 6/27/06 3:45 PM
Found a lot of them looking around for SAM sites, but yeah, I did remember that site and went through and made sure I had those in there as well. I think I was missing between seven and ten of yours, mostly the ones inside low-rez Russia.
Re: SAM site overview SOC 6/27/06 3:46 PM
First off, look near cities and military bases. What I do is set the altitude just high enough where you can pick out site configurations, and then just gradually roam through the countryside!
Re: SAM site overview SOC 6/27/06 5:40 PM
Another big update. Added or updated the following nations:

Algeria
Belarus (found an SA-11 unit in-garrison)
China
Czech Republic
Mozambique
Peru
Romania
Serbia and Montenegro
Zambia
Re: SAM site overview spitfirexyz 6/28/06 5:34 AM
Nice job, as usual. Near the SA-4 GANEF sites in Azerbaijan you can see
the sad consequences of the war in the Nagorno-Karabakh region.
There are many destroyed and empty ghost towns and villages.

Greetings
Re: SAM site overview LeX2 6/28/06 2:32 PM
Quote:

I think I was missing between seven and ten of yours




That's around 30, otherwise you would have found many battalions in the ex-soviet countries which I didn't.
Btw mentioning the source would have been nice...
Re: SAM site overview rcd2951 7/11/06 7:52 PM
SOC..

Awesome work.....But a question for you. As a noob, I'm confused as to what to download whenever you or others say they have updated their collection? DO I download the original file from the original post?
Doest the update contain all the same original data + more? Does GE toss out the duplicates? Can you guys post incremental files when you update your collections

Regards

John Pearson
Re: SAM site overview stochelo 7/16/06 12:39 AM
Hi SOC!

Here are 4 Syrian sites (2 SA-3, 2 SA-6).

EDIT: Placemark deleted. See the main post.
Re: SAM site overview SOC 7/16/06 2:29 AM
Whenever I change something, download the file from the original post. I upload a new file.
Re: SAM site overview SOC 7/16/06 2:34 AM
Added stochelo's four new Syrian SAM sites.
Esfahan SAM site spitfirexyz 7/19/06 3:43 PM
I've found this site near Esfahan (Iran).
It's not a Hawk btry so, in your opinion, what type of SAM
missile system is this? (SA 6 Kub?)
Re: Esfahan SAM site SOC 7/24/06 8:20 AM
I'll give it a look in about a week. I'm currently stuck at home with no interweb access because I'm waiting for a new laptop to arrive in the mail to replace the one that broke last weekend!

Hey, maybe we'll both get lucky, and when my new laptop arrives GE will have another coverage update
Re: Esfahan SAM site spitfirexyz 7/24/06 9:07 AM
It will be about time!
I'm afraid I've finished all the available/visible btries
Re: Esfahan SAM site SOC 7/27/06 9:16 PM
Not too sure what that is exactly. I can tell you that I don't think it's a SAM site, there's no fixed launchers visible, and there aren't any SA-6 TELs around either.
Re: Esfahan SAM site Analogman 7/28/06 3:14 AM
I don't think that's any kind of weapons site at all. Looks more like a radar or communications site, or both.
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Re: SAM site overview justsurfing_from_London 8/18/06 5:05 AM
I worked here. Any questions about the site just send me an email.
Re: SAM site overview SOC 8/18/06 6:55 AM
Eh...worked where?
Re: SAM site overview justsurfing_from_London 8/19/06 4:08 AM
In this same spot. I spent my military service here.
Re: SAM site overview SOC 10/3/06 5:34 PM
Pretty big update, with the new imagery that's been released so far. I've located more SAM sites in Russia, Hungary, Slovakia, Kazakhstan (Sary Shagan, anyone?), Algeria, and Kyrgyzstan. As always, the file in the first post has been updated with the new SAM sites.

Come on GE guys, upload more imagery around Moscow already!
Re: SAM site overview LeX2 10/4/06 2:00 AM
Again, you've duplicated all the SA-5 sites of http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthreaded.php/Cat/0/Number/257820
/ http://rammstein.dfmk.hu/~s200/.

It's fine to put all SAMs you find in this forum into one file, just indicate the sources.

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Pretty big update, with the new imagery that's been released so far. I've located more SAM sites in Russia, Hungary, Slovakia, Kazakhstan (Sary Shagan, anyone?)





All Hungarian SAM sites are located already (with the help of the ex-staff operating them): http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Board=EarthMilitary&Number=521480
and also all Slovakians (also with help of their ex-staff): http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Board=EarthMilitary&Number=523628
Re: SAM site overview RiosHunter 10/5/06 1:31 PM
WOOW great job thanks!
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Strategic hills to the south Terrafax 10/12/06 9:36 AM
Near one of your located Sam Sites, on a hill 1.28 miles south south east of this site, (Lat. 38°28'58.05"N, long, 127°14'46.93"E), is a hill that overlooks this plane which must have been the site of a Korean war battle, for you can see old trenches still there. No doubt this will be a strategic sight in any battle.
Re: SAM site overview rambo54 10/15/06 1:53 AM
Great work!!! I enjoyed it. Short question to the experts: Did anybody found a S-300V (SA-12) Site in Russia already??? Those "Giants" should be as clearly visible as S-300P (SA-10). Pls. respond if someone got informations. Thanks
Re: SAM site overview SOC 10/15/06 7:41 PM
I've found two S-300V garrisons. They'll appear in the next update. You won't find an actual S-300V prepared site per se as they're tactical SAM systems, but one garrison I found does appear to have a few batteries deployed for an exercise.
Re: SAM site overview rambo54 10/23/06 9:28 AM
Hi SOC! Any idea when we could expect that update? Can hardly wait to see a S-300V Monster on GE . Best Regards
Re: SAM site overview SOC 11/13/06 9:50 PM
Most likely tomorrow. I've got nearly 800 SAM sites now and a bunch of related facilities. Lately I've been indexing them for reference in an Excel spreadsheet and that project should be complete tomorrow night. Once it's done I'll incorporate some of the new finds and changes to the database and upload the new version.

And yes, there will be two S-300V sites in high resolution added to the new database.
Re: SAM site overview SOC 11/13/06 10:24 PM
On second thought, I went ahead and incorporated the new stuff now. The placemark in the first post is now updated. Browse around through the folders to see what's in there. Lots of stuff has been added, and some site IDs have been fixed as well. Three S-300V locations are in there, as are a bunch of identifiable SAM garrisons in Russia.
Re: SAM site overview SOC 11/14/06 8:06 PM
I'll be posting another update tonight or tomorrow. Found another SA-6 in Yemen (right next to the first one...go figure), and I'll be adding a separate folder for garrisons and a separate folder for EW radar sites. I've located a handful of BIG BIRD radar sites in Russia (S-300P EW radar sites).
Re: SAM site overview SOC 11/14/06 10:08 PM
FIle updated. Inside the placemark file, if you select the SAMs by type folder, you'll now find a subfolder for EW radar sites and a subfolder for garrisons.
Re: SAM site overview rambo54 11/15/06 6:03 AM
Well, good to hear. But SA-12 are already found; e.g. see Threads "Re: Is this a disused SAM site in Siberia? Hi Res" or "Re: Satellite/space tracking site?" But thanks for you ongoing effort. Best Regards
Re: SAM site overview SOC 11/15/06 9:53 PM
Five new sites added.
Re: SAM site overview rambo54 11/16/06 1:28 AM
Hi SOC! Here are the SA-12 I found. Maybe it is of use for you to compare your sites. Best Regards
Re: SAM site overview EX11CMortarman 11/16/06 6:21 AM
the ones that are at Kandalaksha are bridging equipment.
Re: SAM site overview SOC 11/18/06 5:35 PM
See if you guys can open this and view it. Gotta have GE 4 though.
Re: SAM site overview spitfirexyz 11/19/06 2:10 AM
Good job, SOC !!!
Re: SAM site overview SOC 11/19/06 5:48 PM
Cool, I guess that means it worked. My plan is to make the rest of the components like the elevated 76N6 CLAM SHELL radar and see how many sites I can illustrate. Might move on to other systems later on, I do think the S-300V shouldn't be any more difficult to model.
Re: SAM site overview SOC 11/20/06 6:29 PM
Added 13 new sites, including locations in four new countries: Eritrea, Ethiopia, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan.
Re: SAM site overview LeX2 11/21/06 9:19 AM
How did you manage to find the SA-5 at Tukums, Latvia? Great job!

Please, tell me where are the sole SA-5 battalions of Bulgaria and Moldavia! I've been looking for them for ages with no luck. At least I could use something from you too.

Btw, Syria has only two SA-5 battalions, not four. Russia packed up its Tula and Pereslavl-Zalesskiy battalions and transported it to Syria together with personnel.
Re: SAM site overview rambo54 11/21/06 10:41 AM
Hi Soc!
One question. How do you now that at Baranavichy (Bjelo-Russia) there is a garrison of SA-11? I can not figure out a single TEL unit in that base. Best Regards
Re: SAM site overview SOC 11/21/06 11:36 AM
There's two TELs at:

53 07' 05.98" N 25 59' 07.09" E
53 07' 04.60" N 25 59' 02.45" E
Re: SAM site overview SOC 11/21/06 11:44 AM
I actually did find that one when I was reaccomplishing a check of the area to complete my Excel project.

Bulgaria and Moldova? Got 'em. Along with seven other new sites. I'll update the database tonight.

And there are four sites in Syria. There may be two battalions, but there are definitely four sites. Two might be dummies, who knows.
Re: SAM site overview SOC 11/21/06 5:11 PM
FIle updated. Those two SA-5 sites are included in there now, as well as some Taiwanese Tien Kung sites, some stuff in Somalia, and more Cuban SAM sites.
Re: SAM site overview spitfirexyz 11/21/06 5:56 PM
Hi SOC

You've done a perfect job as usual.
One of the Tien Kung sites in Taiwan seems to be still an old Nike site (see attached placemarks).
One humble suggestion:
Please create a folder dedicated only to the updates.
Now there too many countries and/or missile system to browse in your collection :-)

Greetings
Re: SAM site overview LeX2 11/22/06 5:55 AM
Quote:

Bulgaria and Moldova? Got 'em.



Oh, nice, you made my day! I was tearing my hair failing to find them.

I was also looking for the site at Mingechaur, Azerbaijan, yours seems to be the right place.

Quote:

And there are four sites in Syria.



I've checked your two recent placemarks there on higher resolution photos (geoengine.nima.mil and spaceimaging.com) and they are blank areas.

Active / inactive SA-5s:
All SA-5s in the territory of Russia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and the Czezh Republic are inactive for sure.
Re: SAM site overview SOC 11/22/06 7:30 AM
The NIMA/NGA imagery was displaying a date of 1987, so it might not be accurate. And wouldn't you know it, I just found another SA-5 site in Syria, and this one is in high-res.
Re: SAM site overview LeX2 11/22/06 8:22 AM
Quote:

The NIMA/NGA imagery was displaying a date of 1987, so it might not be accurate.




spaceimaging.com shows a 21-11-2000 photo.
but we'll see when google buys digitalglobe imagery of those areas...
Re: SAM site overview SOC 11/23/06 3:56 PM
Main post updated with new text and a new attachment.
Re: SAM site overview Nick_Grayson 12/1/06 11:56 PM
Here are some more strange things in the Gobi, to the East. I found 65 sites within 100 square miles, all very remote. No idea what they are.

Link:

http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=704440&page=0&vc=#Post704440

Enjoy!
Re: SAM site overview SOC 12/4/06 12:37 AM
Pretty sure none of those are SAM sites.
Re: SAM site overview safak_34 1/2/07 2:42 PM
s 300 russian made middle range missles.these missles are 800 km range and putting these to islands to make a threathe to turkey. turkey let these missles pass to grece by ships from istanbul.but peacefull movement change to this threath.
Re: SAM site overview 87th_striker 1/3/07 11:55 AM
Any idea on this one ?

39° 7'39.28"N 127°28'24.37"E

Silo SA-5 or other stuff ?


And this one ?
Strange clearing on the opposite hill...
41°16'44.24"N 128°13'32.76"E
Re: SAM site overview LeX2 1/6/07 3:38 PM
A second SA-5 site at Novosibirsk (Ob).
Re: SAM site overview rambo54 1/7/07 7:07 AM
Hi SOC!
Its about that "SA-6, SA-11, SA-15 at exploitation facility" at 31°48'43.59"N 106°17'53.36"W:
1./ What sources claim the US-property of SA-11/SA-15?
2./ Could you identify those Systems in that Base?
Thanks in advance. Best regards
Re: SAM site overview SOC 1/12/07 2:33 PM
Or not. The S-300PMU-1 system delivered to Greece is a 150 km range SAM system. Turkish Cypriots complained that Greek Cypriots would have a serious air defense capability, and the systems were delivered to the Greek Air Force on Crete instead of to Cyprus.
Re: SAM site overview SOC 1/12/07 2:36 PM
Dunno about the second one, but the first one is a AAA site, not a SAM site.
Re: SAM site overview SOC 1/12/07 2:40 PM
1. I dunno, maybe because they're inside the USA? If you mean what written sources, then I don't think I've seen one. This would be the first recorded evidence of SA-11 or SA-15 presence in the USA.
2. Sure, when I update the file next I'll include placemarks where the SA-6, SA-11, and SA-15 launchers are in that yard.
Re: SAM site overview stochelo 1/13/07 3:00 AM
Hi,

I placemarked a few Egyptian SAM sites (~10 active, ~35 inactive).
I don't have time to go through the whole imagery update, but that's a start.


27.152, 31.149
Can you identify this one? Is it still active?

31.311, 30.054
And I don't really know what this place is. It looks SA-6ish to me, but isn't like other SA-6 sites I've seen. There are more launchers (or just vehicules?) south. Or maybe I'm just seeing SAM sites everywhere...
Re: SAM site overview SOC 1/13/07 11:16 PM
First one is an active SA-2 site. You can make out three launch rails (empty), and there's a mess of missile TETs to the southeast.

Second one, who knows, but it's not a SAM site.
Re: SAM site overview SOC 1/15/07 12:36 AM
Updated, see the first post.
Re: SAM site overview *DELETED* rambo54 1/15/07 10:36 AM
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Re: SAM site overview SOC 1/15/07 12:23 PM
I'll clear this up in an hour or so.
Re: SAM site overview SOC 1/15/07 1:55 PM
Ok, first off, I've attached a file showing placemarks of various items at the El Paso exploitation facility.

Now, as to how I've identified these objects.

First off, the SCUD launchers were easy. Those alone should be blindingly obvious. For comparison, there's another one visible in high resolution at the Imperial War Museum in Duxford, England.

The SA-8 TEL ID is based on the dimensions and the shadow which clearly depicts the angled missile tubes.

The SA-6 TEL and STRAIGHT FLUSH radar were identified thanks to their general characteristics that were visible. For the radar set, the dimensions were taken, and the shadow of the radar was compared to a plan view. The radar is oriented to the north, while the vehicle is oriented to the west. The TEL was simple. Three missiles of measurable length and identifiable configuration = no problem.

The SA-11 TELAR was probably the easiest thing to ID and the first one that jumped out at me. Four measurable missiles. The missiles are raised. Also, you can make out the FIRE DOME radar at the front of the vehicle. This ID can be used to make the IDs at the Belarus garrison as well. Compare the measurements and the general appearance of the TELAR. You'll find that there are three TELARs at that site in Belarus, two fully loaded and one with what appears to be only a single 9M38 missile.

The SA-15 TELAR is the only one that necessitated an "educated guess" based on measurements. The "turret" is rotated slightly, and along the southern edge of the turret appears to be the SA-15s radar set lowered in the travel position. Now, the SA-15 system is basically a box on treads without any major large ideitifiable components like large missiles or a large radar set, so like I said, given what I saw and measured, I made an educated guess that I am comfortable with.

Measurements and imagery were compared to data taken from various volumes of Jane's Land Based Air Defence, of which I have three volumes for personal use, as well as photographs of the various systems gathered from the interweb.

Getting paid to do this does kinda help too
Re: SAM site overview rambo54 1/16/07 10:32 AM
Hi SOC! Thank you so much for your explanations. They are very convincing after you detailed your placemarks.
I have to admit that most of my difficulties obviously results from a lack of experience and I simply do not have the skill as you have.
1. / I also though about Scuds (but I wasn't sure because you identify this strange facility as a sort of "SAM Test Center"). Although the TELs looks somewhat strange - e.g. the missile bay is just about 6m and the whole TEL at about 8m. This means a SCUD would reach out over the front end of the vehicle. I never saw a Scud TEL like this.
2./ I had no problems with SA-6 and SA-8, although I thought that the vehicle at 31°48'44.27"N 106°17'48.21"W would be a SA-8 TEL (that one with the white missile canisters)
3./ I simply didn't noticed that SA-11. I though it would be a quadrupol SA-3.
Now I can see the Dome Radar but for me it is still hard to identify the chassis. It looks a little bit as if the Dome would be at 10 o'clock?
But again: With that example (and maybe without having a previous hint or source) this really prove your skill - congratulation!
4./ I though that your SA-15 would be indeed such a system, although I seriously considered a SA-19 for it, too - the T-34 was just for provoking...
Also that Identification is remarkable, specially if you had no previous idea that you could find such things at that location!

At last: How the hell did the US got such systems. The SA-10 deal is known - moreover that system is now also "available" in Greece. But I never heard of SA-11/15 in the west. Maybe they bought that stuff in Belo-Russia or in Ukraine?
Did you got that information before? Or do you have any explanation? Or is it a secret at all ?

Again: Nice work and I am glad that you didn't misunderstood my "complaining"
P.S.: About the payment.....I already met you in the thread about Russian ABM Systems....you should write articles for military magazine or for magazines which will deal with military GE discoveries...honestly!
Re: SAM site overview spitfirexyz 1/16/07 3:03 PM
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....you should write articles for military magazine or for magazines which will deal with military GE discoveries...honestly!




I think he alreay does it ...

One curiosity: is there a Russian radar system with a telescopic antenna pedestal
or is this a Ericsson Giraffe or something similar?


Greetings
Re: SAM site overview SOC 1/16/07 3:07 PM
Quote:

Hi SOC! Thank you so much for your explanations. They are very convincing after you detailed your placemarks.
I have to admit that most of my difficulties obviously results from a lack of experience and I simply do not have the skill as you have.




Don't sell yourself short, it's not necessarily a skill that I have but more a result of a massive enthusiasm for military hardware, particularly Russian kit.

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1. / I also though about Scuds (but I wasn't sure because you identify this strange facility as a sort of "SAM Test Center"). Although the TELs looks somewhat strange - e.g. the missile bay is just about 6m and the whole TEL at about 8m. This means a SCUD would reach out over the front end of the vehicle. I never saw a Scud TEL like this.




You're right, those AREN'T SCUDs. I'll see if I can figure them out later.

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2./ I had no problems with SA-6 and SA-8, although I thought that the vehicle at 31°48'44.27"N 106°17'48.21"W would be a SA-8 TEL (that one with the white missile canisters)




That's too big for an SA-8. I think i have an idea what it might be, but I need to confirm the ID.

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3./ I simply didn't noticed that SA-11. I though it would be a quadrupol SA-3.
Now I can see the Dome Radar but for me it is still hard to identify the chassis. It looks a little bit as if the Dome would be at 10 o'clock?
But again: With that example (and maybe without having a previous hint or source) this really prove your skill - congratulation!




If the image is oriented perfectly north-south, then the TELAR is pointing approximately NNE, with the FIRE DOME radar oriented at about 1 o'clock. I think what you're looking at is a shadow.

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4./ I though that your SA-15 would be indeed such a system, although I seriously considered a SA-19 for it, too - the T-34 was just for provoking...
Also that Identification is remarkable, specially if you had no previous idea that you could find such things at that location!




Again, I just look at a lot of this stuff all the time. Me being able to ID an SA-11 TELAR or an S-300PT battery is no different than someone else looking at an airfield and being able to ID an F-16 right off.

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At last: How the hell did the US got such systems. The SA-10 deal is known - moreover that system is now also "available" in Greece. But I never heard of SA-11/15 in the west. Maybe they bought that stuff in Belo-Russia or in Ukraine?
Did you got that information before? Or do you have any explanation? Or is it a secret at all ?




Who knows where it came from. I haven't the slightest idea. Belarus or the Ukraine aren't outside the realm of possibility given that they are outside the grasp of Russia now that the USSR broke apart. We got a lot of MiG-29S FULCRUM-C airframes from Moldova a while back, maybe some of these were leftovers in some other FSU republic that wanted something from us?

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Again: Nice work and I am glad that you didn't misunderstood my "complaining"
P.S.: About the payment.....I already met you in the thread about Russian ABM Systems....you should write articles for military magazine or for magazines which will deal with military GE discoveries...honestly!




I've considered a number of different published projects dealing with some of this stuff actually. Once my Master's degree is finished in May I may well turn my attention towards something along those lines. And I didn't think you were complaining, asking for an explanation is perfectly fine!
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Re: SAM site overview SOC 1/16/07 3:10 PM
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I think he alreay does it ...




Not yet, but be on the lookout...

As for the radar, I did notice that one. Give me a little time and I'll try and ID a lot more of the stuff in there (including the SSM TELs). A Giraffe was actually my first guess when I was working on rambo's explanation but I didn't think to grab Jane's and check it out at the time. I've got around fifty more SAM sites to enter in tonight, I may get to some of this stuff afterward. I still have some of that Northern Fleet stuff to sift through as well.
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Re: SAM site overview SOC 1/16/07 3:58 PM
File updated, fifty more Egyptian SAM sites added.
Re: SAM site overview PS860 1/17/07 12:55 AM
Quote:

As for the radar, I did notice that one. Give me a little time and I'll try and ID a lot more of the stuff in there (including the SSM TELs). A Giraffe was actually my first guess when I was working on rambo's explanation but I didn't think to grab Jane's and check it out at the time. I've got around fifty more SAM sites to enter in tonight, I may get to some of this stuff afterward. I still have some of that Northern Fleet stuff to sift through as well.




From the back of my head, I think I have heard that US Army bought two Giraffe AMB in the 2003-04 time frame.
One risk with identifying ex-Soviet equipment in the US is that US Army operates several VISMOD systems, US vehicles rebuilt to resemble actual threat systems. I rember seeing a 2S6 "look-alike" based on a Sheridan chassis. Further back there were BAR LOCK and LONG TRACK radar simulators that both looked like the originals and emitted the correct signals for EW training.

/P
Re: SAM site overview rambo54 1/17/07 10:08 AM
Realities are hard to swallow...after a night of comfortable dreams....
Yesterday I enjoyed SOCs placemarks presenting for the first time "real stuff" like some clear views to SA-11 / 15.... and now its maybe just another OPFOR circus
Well, maybe someone will find out whether the US really bought SA-11 / 15 from an Ukraine backyard. Another question would be: why they took that equipment to that facility and not...lets say to Yuma or Ft.Bliss or to White Sands or Wendover for testing.
For what purpose is this El Paso facility? Or is it just an "ordinary" OPFOR storage with some faked "constructions"?
PS 860 mentioned a 2S6 fake....in so far I was not far away to gues that SOCs SA-15 could be also SA-19...but I tend to believe him...or I should say: it would be more comfortable for me to keep the illusion to look at least on a SA-15 fake instead of a SA-19 fake just for another night...
Re: SAM site overview SOC 1/17/07 10:42 AM
I find it hard to believe that these are dummies. Any fakes or simulators are almost exclusively employed on either target ranges, or in the range area for RED FLAG in Nevada. This area is neither, and Fort Bliss, the home of the US Army Air Defense Artillery School, is right next door. Matter of fact this is probably a subordinate of Fort Bliss. Regardless, while these systems might be fakes, just like any other system you can see on GE, I have no reason to believe they aren't authentic, given their location, and the fact that if you wanted to mimic an SA-11 battery, where's the rest of the TELARs or the battalion support units? One single TELAR smells like exploitation to me.

There is, of course, an easy way to answer this question, but I don't have the time to spare to drive all the way down there
Re: SAM site overview rambo54 1/17/07 11:05 AM
You are right - I didn't notice that it is just 6 miles from Ft.Bliss which is full of Patriots. Well....we should leave this "occasionally" visit to some "Texas Ranger" who is also a GE buff...
Re: SAM site overview spitfirexyz 1/17/07 2:54 PM
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Well, maybe someone will find out whether the US really bought SA-11 / 15 from an Ukraine backyard.




Sometimes these systems can be obtained through very surprising sources.

"...in 1986 and 1987, were of particular interest, for fully operational advanced air defense systems could be taken over, that were on duty in the Warsaw Pact's forces by that time. For the historical record, let us mention that this equipment, evacuated by a US Air Force's C-5A Galaxy from the Libyan base of Wadi-Doum, in northern Chad was then shared between France and the United States....
...Some items of the recovered equipment, of which an SA-6 system, are now on display in the corral of the Nellis AFB (Nevada) Threat Training Facility..."

There is something similar (in a smaller scale) in Germany

More information in this page (middle of the page)

or in this page (in german)

Greetings

P.S. In Europe the maintenance for some of these systems is done by Rheinmetall
Re: SAM site overview SOC 1/17/07 4:02 PM
Another update, see the first post.
Re: SAM site overview rambo54 1/18/07 9:51 AM
Well the break down of East-Germany presented many things which was still of interest in the early 90ties. Among that stuff were all the SAM Systems the NVA-Army had in her arsenal. Ironically the NVA had to return just one thing to the Russians short before the breakdown of that system....no, not the SS-23...but a battery of SA-10! The preparations to install the first unit south of the city of Rostock came to an end and the hardware had to be returned. Ironically...because shortly after that the US obtained the System from "sources" in the CIS.
But the US shared the other systems now surplus in reunified germany: SA-2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/13/14/16/18 and ZSU-23. So I don't wonder about SOCs find of SA-6 and SA-8 (SA-8 is also on display at Nellis).
But neither the Warsaw treaty countries nor the Arabs or India had SA-11/SA-15.
So if these systems at Ft.Bliss are "real" ones it would be indeed remarkable...
Re: SAM site overview SOC 1/18/07 9:56 AM
Finland has SA-11s, and Greece has SA-15s and S-300PMU-1s. They might be possible sources.
Re: SAM site overview rambo54 1/18/07 10:59 AM
Yes, you're right. Although I didn't know that with Greece SA-15s - but I couldn't imagine that neutral finland could "provoke" his big neighbour. But nowadays where the russians consider to sell of "some" Kh-31and other "single pieces" to the US everything is possible...
Re: SAM site overview *DELETED* rambo54 1/19/07 8:57 AM
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Re: SAM site overview SOC 1/19/07 6:35 PM
I'll check it out tomorrow. I'm writing a paper on why commercial satelltie imagery is not a national security concern; this site is actually part of my argument. I might post the paper here when I'm finished!
Re: SAM site overview rambo54 1/20/07 12:49 AM
Great Idea! Because the tendency is already visible to block the just started GE world by many obstacles. Recently I read that they feared that attacks on british troops in the Basra region could be supported by the possibilities of GE. They are seeking hard for arguments to stop "High Res" and to reduce GE to a mere "agriculture sense".
By the way: Inspired by your findings I'm searching for SA-11 in the vicinity of Helsinki because I read that the 3 battalions are used to protect the finland capital...Do anyone knows some garrisons....
Re: SAM site overview rambo54 1/21/07 3:35 AM
Hi SOC! Pls forgive my overbearing nature ...but I'm still fighting with that SA-11 at El Paso. As far as I know these missiles should be about 5.7 meter....but whatever I do...the damned ruler told me something about 4.7 meters....do you have any explanations?
Re: SAM site overview SOC 1/21/07 4:15 PM
They appear to be elevated, so you're seeing them at an angle.
Re: SAM site overview Gitutu 1/22/07 11:30 AM
Could this be an SA-2/HQ-2 site? 20° 5'37.09"S 28°46'18.70"E
Re: SAM site overview SOC 1/22/07 2:01 PM
Just looks like a farm to me. What might appear as launch rails actually look like feeding troughs for the local animals kept on the farm in the pens.
Re: SAM site overview *DELETED* rambo54 1/23/07 10:14 AM
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Re: SAM site overview PS860 1/23/07 11:38 AM
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Hi SOC! Hi everybody! I found some "SAM-suspicious” things in Russia. If you have time, have a look for that…



The SA-8 placemark and the two placemarks for SA-11 are close to Orenburg, which is the location of a school for Ground Forces air defence. Its curriculum includes SA-8, SA-15, SA-11 and SA-12.
The SA-12 placemark is not in an area where I know of any SA-12 units.
/P
Re: SAM site overview rambo54 1/24/07 10:16 AM
Hi old buddy PS860! I am not sure whether my placemarks actually show a SAM at all…and if….I’m not sure about the type - That was just a suggestion.
If I understand you correct, you would confirm these types?
Regarding the SA-12 I’m not sure either, but there should be some of them in the vicinity of severomorsk…look at
"http://www.warfare.ru/?lang=&catid=264&linkid=1696" -
SOC had already found some SA-10 near that Naval Town, but since I read that webpage I'm searching for the S-300V in that area and so I'm zooming around there. Best Regards
SA-5 at Priekule, Latvia LeX2 1/24/07 2:13 PM
unusual layout - 2 channels for 9 missiles
Re: SAM site overview SOC 1/24/07 5:03 PM
No S-300Vs up there...the vehicles you marked don't match the dimensions. The SA-11s look like strong possibilities (I already marked that place as a SAM training range, that was fine for me at the time) though.
Re: SAM site overview SOC 1/27/07 12:57 PM
Added some more sites in Iran.
Re: SAM site overview SOC 1/27/07 2:34 PM
Changed the folder layout slightly (see the first post).
Re: SAM site overview - over 1000 sites worldwide OptionCoach 1/27/07 10:16 PM
Intrestingly enough, this site was the location of my unit's final preparations (cleaning, etc) to leave the country after Desert Storm in 1991. My unit was the 3rd LAAM Bn. (HAWK missiles)!!!

The SAM's were definately NOT there at that time, to my knowledge
Re: SAM site overview VitaliyAlt 2/9/07 10:24 AM
The idiot...:) You is better in the room would search for suspicious things..:) And rockets in Russia certainly are... It to you not peace inhabitants in Iraq to kill...
Re: SAM site overview rambo54 2/9/07 10:42 AM
Is that english what you tried?
Re: SAM site overview - over 1000 sites worldwide WetStuff 2/13/07 2:43 AM
Please confirm these:
Mozambique SA-3 - 19°47'39.03"S 34°57'3.76"E - Active
Mozambique SA-3? - 25°51'58.20"S 32°34'56.75"E - Inactive
Angola - SA-2? - 15°14'18.14"S 12° 8'27.62"E - Active
Angola - SA-3 - 15° 6'35.00"S 12° 8'13.58"E - Active
Re: SAM site overview - over 1000 sites worldwide SOC 2/13/07 6:15 PM
1. Yes
2. No, that appears to be some sort of storage facility.
3. No again, appears to be some ongoing construction there.
4. Yes.
Re: SAM site overview - over 1000 sites worldwide SOC 3/7/07 9:13 PM
Back after moving into a new house across the country. Look for an update soon.
Re: SAM site overview - over 1000 sites worldwide SOC 3/19/07 7:52 PM
Updated the file. There are now a number of range rings available for around half of the SAM sites. The rest will be along shortly, check out the first post for more info.
Re: SAM site overview - over 1000 sites worldwide gideonshorn 3/22/07 12:02 PM
Thanks SOC. Mission planning in the C-130 would have been a lot easier if you were around and this information was so readily available back when I was flying. Our only resource was the wing intelligence officer. Looks like you put in a lot of hard work!

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Re: SAM site overview - over 1000 sites worldwide SOC 3/27/07 10:58 PM
Added a new file. All the active sites now have range rings! My project now will be a complete overhaul of the folder arrangement, incorporating data on the SAM systems as well as some images and other features to make this a comprehensive, complete collection of placemarks.
Re: SAM site overview - over 1000 sites worldwide AlfaSierra 4/11/07 1:52 PM
Hi there mate,

The placemark you posted in 25º 51' 56" S - 32º 35' 08" E in Maputo - Mozambique as "Empty SAM 2 site" is not correct. That is a "powder magazine" and has been so since the times of the portuguese. There can be found many different kinds of missiles and amonitions laying around, but there was never a site. Not even a fool would built a site of SAM where they could never be fired, as fire is the worst enemy of Powder Magazines.

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Re: SAM site overview - over 1000 sites worldwide LeX2 4/12/07 2:26 PM
There was only one export version of the SA-5, the S-200VE (Vega) which has a range of 240 km only. So the 300 km rings are incorrect outside of the ex-soviet countries.
The remaining ex-soviet sites are probably the latest S-200D (Dubna) variants with a range of 400 km.
Re: SAM site overview - over 1000 sites worldwide SOC 4/12/07 10:47 PM
I'm not sure. They have SA-2 missiles, they're 540 meters southwest from the circular thing. This is the only compound remotely resembling an SA-2 site in the country. There are missiles stored there (where the SA-2s are), and there is a series of storage bunkers to the north of the circle, but the circle itself appears to be an abandoned or unused SA-2 site to me.

There was a massive explosion reported there a few weeks or months ago, but from what I have been able to learn it was down where the missiles are seen being stored in the open.
Re: SAM site overview - over 1000 sites worldwide SOC 4/12/07 10:57 PM
There were export versions of the S-200D, the S-200DE family. I've got a range of 150 km for the 5V21 missile, 250 km for the 5V28 missile (early), and 300 km for the 5V28 missile (late). Since I have no way of determining if the exports were the 250 or 300 km version (S-200Es were early 5V28s, at 250 km, not the 5V21), I gave them an arbitrary 300 km range. I did the same sort of thing with most of the other missiles, usually using the longest known range for a common variant of that system.

I will say with regard to your 240 km range that OKB Fakel's excellent book on their missile products gives 160 km, 240 km, and 300 km for the 5V21, 5V28 (early), and 5V28 (late). I may have to adjust some of my missile tables. Incidentially, my ongoing missile database effort can be seen here:

http://www.designation-systems.net/non-us/soviet.html

Click the link at the top of the page to download the zip file. Don't use that e-mail address though, Andreas hasn't updated it with my new one yet! There are some errors in there that have been corrected, but I haven't sent him a new file to upload yet as I'm still tweaking a few things.
SA-5 at Pechora, Russia LeX2 4/18/07 11:33 AM
65.274, 57.148
Re: SAM site overview - over 1000 sites worldwide Adamspace 4/19/07 2:03 PM
Hi SOC

Great work, congratulations

In my opinion rings are not good idea. For example, in Poland all SA-3 launchers have been improved to SC standard. This upgrade involves mounting the missile launcher on a T-55 tank chassis (a TEL), greatly improving mobility.

Look na this picture :
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/NewaSC.JPG

I also updated your placemarks in Poland (including correct the Gryfino SA-3 unit coords and add same new placemarks in hi-res). You have many mistakes in the rest of countries, but this is a huge project and I'm sure that some of that you can correct.

Why do you mark the S-300PT site as active ?

Regards
Adamspace
Re: SAM site overview - over 1000 sites worldwide SOC 4/20/07 4:26 PM
First off, I haven't seen a Neva-SC on imagery yet in Poland, so I didn't mark any.

Also, there are a few of the sites you marked as active that I marked as inactive around Warsaw. If you look at the actual missile site, there are no rails or radars, so I marked it as inactive. Conversely, you marked a few as inactive, like the one up on the coast. You can make out the launch rails there, so I marked them as active as hardware is still visible.

That should explain our discrepancies.

As for the S-300PT, which one are you talking about? I marked the one in Poland as empty as there are no S-300P components there that are visible, and didn't mark it as an SA-3 as there are no launch rails, TELs, or RSN-125 radars visible either.
Re: SAM site overview - over 1000 sites worldwide LeX2 5/2/07 8:51 AM
Uh, there are many mistakes in that xls, at least in the SA-5 part (I'm not interested in others). Here's the correct list (in chronological order):

1958
Angara, S-200A, 150km range:
5V21 (V-860)
5V21A (V-860P)

1968
Vega, S-200V, 240km:
5V21V (V-860PV)
5V28 (V-880) - 1970, also mentioned as Vega-M
5V28N (V-880N) - nuclear warhead

1981
Dubna, S-200D, 300km:
5V28M (V-880M)
5V28MN (V-880MN)

1984
Vega Export, S-200VE, 240km:
5V28E (V-880E)


The S-200VE is a limited capability derivative of the S-200D Dubna. There was no such thing as S-200DE, the Dubna was never exported.

Only the S-200VE was exported. The Warsaw-pact countries, Lybia, Syria, Iran and North Korea all got the S-200VE with 240 km range.

The Syrian S-200 battalions were already deployed in 1982 (before the export variant was developed) with 96 S-200V missiles. This was not an export, they were operated by the Russians. Later they were replaced with S-200VE missiles and operation was handed over to the Syrians.

So, please correct those 300km circles to 240km.
SA-5 sites at Krasnoyarsk and Barnaul LeX2 5/2/07 8:58 AM
Barnaul (high res)
Krasnoyarsk
Re: SAM site overview - over 1000 sites worldwide SOC 6/3/07 1:02 AM
Expect a decent update this week, I've located some more sites in the new imagery update.
Re: SAM site overview - over 1000 sites worldwide Adamspace 6/3/07 5:26 AM
I did not mean only Polish SAM sites, but I can understand your point.

However, original structure of SAM deployment is more interesting for me. To explain you the diferences between original and actual deployment I sending you Baltic SAM sites file, with SA-2 sites located along the Baltic Sea.
Re: SAM site overview - over 1000 sites worldwide SOC 6/3/07 4:00 PM
I'll look those over and see what you've got in there.

In the meantime, the main placemark file has been updated, see the original post for details.
Re: SAM site overview - over 1000 sites worldwide SOC 6/4/07 10:51 PM
New update, see main post. Take note of the new 36D6 radars marked, as well as additional 64N6 radars marked, including 36D6 and 64N6 radars colocated with S-300P sites. This allowed me to grab their coordinates and throw their range rings in there as well to give a better EW picture.
Re: SAM site overview - over 1000 sites worldwide SOC 6/5/07 4:59 PM
Another new update. More sites in Russia have been added, in particular a number of 64N6 EW sites around Moscow and in other locations. One 36D6 in the Ukraine has also been added.
Re: SAM site overview - over 1000 sites worldwide FVisCool 6/13/07 7:42 PM
Years ago, some kid had to plot it on a glass board and write backwards
Re: SAM site overview - over 1000 sites worldwide SOC 6/20/07 11:38 PM
Another update, this time predominantly in North Korea and Russia.
Re: SAM site overview - over 1000 sites worldwide SOC 7/13/07 9:53 PM
Latest update is available, see the first post for details.
Re: SAM site overview - Finland Horned 7/27/07 11:06 AM
Here is one location in Finland. More to come later.

Lappi Air defence Regiment:
in Google Maps
-Crotale NG in SISU XA chassis
large press photo
- Giraffe MK IV and Giraffe 100 radars

Novator 9M38 M1 "Buk" (Бук - pyökki - SA-11 "Gadfly")
18 systems mainly in Helsinki capital area, range 35 km.
Photo of SA-11 in Helsinki
www.mil.fi
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Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! SOC 7/27/07 8:31 PM
New imagery, new update!
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! nikolaus112 7/29/07 1:30 PM
Halo,
did you find SAM 3 site on Batajnica airporte in Serbia?
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Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! SOC 7/29/07 8:35 PM
I show an empty SA-3 site to the notheast, and an SA-3 battery occupying a former SA-2 site to the southwest.
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! EugeneF 8/7/07 12:55 PM
Hi!

Recently a first S-400 Triumph division was set on combat duty at Elektrostal', Moscow region.
Source

Of cource I don't know it's exact position.
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! Horned 8/8/07 12:54 PM
How about this place? These barracks look large enough to house entire Air Defence Regiment.
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! SOC 8/8/07 6:10 PM
I have a pretty good idea where it should sit. It's likely going to replace an S-300PM battery, and will likely sit on an old S-25 site, so you can figure it out within two or three sites from there. More high-res imagery will give me a better idea; all the S-25 sites in the area may not have in-resident S-300P facilities.
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! EugeneF 8/10/07 3:48 AM
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How about this place? These barracks look large enough to house entire Air Defence Regiment.


No, it is not. As SOC says, S-400 more probably have replaced an old S-300, and because externally they are absolutely similar to each other, even a updated hi-res images can't help us to distinguish between them...
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! rambo54 8/10/07 9:51 AM
Hi! There are indeed two or three "S-300 like Sites" around that place.
The link http://new.kosmosnimki.ru which was provided by Krystof in the ABM thread is of help to get some slightly better pictures from that facilities. One site looks empty. The other two could be real S-300 Sites.
There is another one at a location for which someone posted in the community layer that this is a russian railroad depot. I think I clearly can identify a S-300 unit in there - it is not an old S-25 Site.
BTW: Eugene, I saw pictures of "SAM-21" which shows somewhat different vehicles which lack the rather bulky forward section of the MAZ truck. I think it should be possible - let's say at a resolution we now have for Kubinka - to distinguish the type of trucks....when we wait 3 more years to get an update which shows that region in august 2007
One more thing about the link to that russian site which provides satellite pics of moscow region: Is that a sort of "Russian GE"? And do they offer any other regions of Russia?
Cheers from Bernd
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! SOC 8/10/07 9:22 PM
Actually we should be able to make out the S-400. I've seen photos of the Elektrostal unit being officially activated, and there was a 9L96 radar present. It should be identifiable provided they don't stick it on a tower.
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! rambo54 8/11/07 9:16 AM
never heard about it...do you mean the LEMZ 96L6 early warning and acquisition radar? If so, I think this one is also in use for S-300 to replace Tin Shield and Clam Shell and towed by an 8x8 MZKT-7930 vehicle. Or is it really a new system with the designation you mentioned?
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! SOC 8/11/07 8:23 PM
Yeah whoops, it's the 96L6. I got the designator dorked up trying to go by memory
Re: SAM site overview - Finland Horned 8/13/07 1:58 PM
Helsinki Air Defence Regiment at Armoured Brigade garrison.
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Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! Horned 8/13/07 2:07 PM
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I think its safe to assume that S-400 units and their associated personnel of the Air Defence Regiment are located in casual military barracks during peace time. Also there is most propably some perimeter defence, wire fence and guard trails around them. That is what I looked for, I dont claim I can see any S-400 units in this location.
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Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! EugeneF 8/14/07 3:18 PM
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There is another one at a location for which someone posted in the community layer that this is a russian railroad depot. I think I clearly can identify a S-300 unit in there - it is not an old S-25 Site.


You are almost right. It looks like an air defence storage and supply base. It was used for S-25 and it is used for S-300 now. And... it is really has a railroad.

Quote:

I saw pictures of "SAM-21" which shows somewhat different vehicles which lack the rather bulky forward section of the MAZ truck. I think it should be possible - let's say at a resolution we now have for Kubinka - to distinguish the type of trucks....


I doubt that such resolution would be enough... But, any way, in Moscow region, S-300 complexes are usually equipped with light "asphalt" version of vehicles on KRAZ trucks, like 5P85TE. I haven't seen a pictures of such truck for S-400 yet.

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One more thing about the link to that russian site which provides satellite pics of moscow region: Is that a sort of "Russian GE"? And do they offer any other regions of Russia?


Seems like they use different image provider then GE. Now they have only Moscow region. There are also a maps.yandex.ru , and some others with similar coverage.


As for all-altitudes acquisitor 96L6E , it was developed for S-300PMU-2 but can be used with any type of S-300 and S-400. So, it is not a good clue...
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! SOC 8/15/07 1:46 PM
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But, any way, in Moscow region, S-300 complexes are usually equipped with light "asphalt" version of vehicles on KRAZ trucks, like 5P85TE. I haven't seen a pictures of such truck for S-400 yet.




Actually, about half of the identified S-300P series SAM sites around Moscow use the 8x8 5P85S/D chassis. Those would appear to be the S-300PM sites, as opposed to the S-300PM-1 sites with the 5P85T launchers.

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As for all-altitudes acquisitor 96L6E , it was developed for S-300PMU-2 but can be used with any type of S-300 and S-400. So, it is not a good clue...




It is in Russian service, as the 96L6 is not used inside of Russia for anything other than the S-400 at this point.
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Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! EugeneF 8/16/07 3:15 PM
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Actually, about half of the identified S-300P series SAM sites around Moscow use the 8x8 5P85S/D chassis. Those would appear to be the S-300PM sites, as opposed to the S-300PM-1 sites with the 5P85T launchers.



Actually, 5P85SD is used only in S-300PS. Both S-300PM/PM-1 can use either 5P85SM (at MAZ-547) or 5P85T (at KrAZ-260), depending of the means of exploitation (off-road or road).


By the way, here the photo of the S-400 launcher from Elektrostal.
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! SOC 8/16/07 11:10 PM
Check it out, I'm moving up in the world

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/s-1000.htm
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! AresMars 8/17/07 6:43 PM
No such thing as the S-1000. There will be a variant of the S-400 Triumf though called the S-400M designed for the same roles as the S-300V.
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Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! AresMars 8/17/07 6:47 PM
Can you find the new S-400 battery in Elektrostal and post that up as a KML ?
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! SOC 8/17/07 8:05 PM
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Aha, see there in that photo, that's a 96L6 radar in travel mode.

Anyway, the S-300PM uses the same TELs as the S-300PS, it's just a modified version of the system introducing digital datalink connection between system components and a few other minor changes. The S-300PM-1 and S-300PM-2 are the ones that use interchangeable SP/towed TELs. 5P85SM? That's a new one, hadn't heard that designator before. Makes sense though, for reasons I won't go into here. Also, it's 5P85S and 5P85D, they are two different "master" and "slave" units.
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Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! EugeneF 8/18/07 5:21 PM
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Aha, see there in that photo, that's a 96L6 radar in travel mode.


It's it. Here other photos from the Ministry of Defence site where it is clearly visible.

Quote:


Anyway, the S-300PM uses the same TELs as the S-300PS, it's just a modified version of the system introducing digital datalink connection between system components and a few other minor changes. The S-300PM-1 and S-300PM-2 are the ones that use interchangeable SP/towed TELs. 5P85SM? That's a new one, hadn't heard that designator before. Makes sense though, for reasons I won't go into here. Also, it's 5P85S and 5P85D, they are two different "master" and "slave" units. .


5P85SD is a name of the whole launch complex consisted of one master and up to 2 slave units. 5P85SM is an updated TEL (single) that doesn't require that master/slave arckhitecture anymore. As far as I understand, different variants S-300PM can use 5P85S/D and 5P85SM.
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! SOC 8/18/07 7:29 PM
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No such thing as the S-1000. There will be a variant of the S-400 Triumf though called the S-400M designed for the same roles as the S-300V.




You're thinking of Samoderzhets, an S-400 combining the 9M82M missiles of the S-300VM/Antey-2500.

The S-500 and S-1000 are next-generation projects, designed as the S-400 and S-300V follow-ons, respectively. There is some speculation that the S-1000 may have been superceded by Samoderzhets, but no concrete evidence at this point.
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Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! til33 8/20/07 4:23 AM
I got a SA-2 site for you in Syria.
33° 6'21.88"N 36°36'46.50"E Just Northeast of the airfield Khalakhalah.

Lets go for the 1500 sites!

til33
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! SOC 8/20/07 11:34 AM
If anybody wishes to bring any corrections or additions to my attention and doesn't want to have to wait for their post to appear here, you can also discuss this file at the following thread at my forum:

http://www.makephpbb.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=36&mforum=geimint

You'll have to register, but there isn't any wait time.
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! AresMars 8/27/07 4:03 PM
S-1000 has been cancelled. ALMAZ-ANTEY even confirmed that they continue work upon the S-500.
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! SOC 9/3/07 12:03 AM
Added almost 50 more sites/range rings to the database.
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! SOC 9/8/07 12:37 AM
I've got almost 30 more sites to add once I get the range rings completed (2 Israeli, 4 Saudi, 10 Indian, 12 Egyptian). I've also gone back through empty SA-2 and SA-3 sites to delete any sites found to be AAA emplacements after closer examination. Most of them were deleted after I realized the revetments were too small for the SA-2's launch rail!
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! SOC 9/8/07 3:20 PM
Added the new file with the updates discussed in my last post.
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! rambo54 9/9/07 4:10 AM
Hi! I think your range rings for Israel should be re-considered.
Obviously assuming Patriots (which are NOT deployed as fixed sites in Israel) in the north of Galilea you estimate 160km range - isn't this too optimistic?
The Arrow II Systems are at two locations ( 31°53'5.34"N 34°42'14.45"E Palmachin and 32°26'23.05"N 35° 0'23.01"E Ein Shomer). You should consider the last one - because the threat is comming from the north-east. Moreover a bare 80km range seems a little short for that ABM-System.
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! SOC 9/9/07 2:21 PM
To keep everything consistent, for the Western systems I'm using the ranges given by Jane's Land Based Air Defence. 160 km for the PATRIOT is the max range for the PAC-2 variant; PAC-3 ERINT has a much shorter range. It gave the Arrow-II range as 90 km, with a 70 km true effective range or something like that.
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! bobovozac 9/13/07 7:35 AM
Hi all!

Here are two abandoned ex Yugoslavia SA-3 sites in Ljubljana, Slovenia.

Regards

Bobo
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! rambo54 10/7/07 8:31 AM
Hi SOC!
I think the following Syrian Bases are either still active or mislabled - pls check
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! rambo54 10/8/07 5:54 AM
Hi SOC!
With the help of spitfirexyz I think I have a Patriot Site just south of Tel Aviv - see placemark and pls check it
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! SOC 10/11/07 5:26 AM
Could be, I just don't know for sure. What should be the launchers just don't look right for some reason.
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! SOC 10/11/07 5:36 AM
Good catch, those sites have changed with the new imagery update. I'll incorporate those changes into the database update this weekend, I've located a number of other new sites as well, particularly some S-300P and HQ-9 sites in China.
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! rambo54 10/12/07 7:22 AM
Hi!
Here are some more hints about Syria. This regards to two SA-2 and one SA-3 Site.
Moreover I think it is worthwhile to check SA-5 Site at Dumayr (pls see placemark) - I'm not quite sure but I think I can figure out 4 Batteries at this Site alone...pls have a look to these sites when you are preparing your update.
Best Regards
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! LeX2 10/14/07 2:54 AM
SA-5 SW of Toshkent
SA-5 NW of Vladivostok (low res, rammstein.dfmk.hu/~s200/photos/tavrichanka.jpg )

Ashuluk is high res now with >10 SAM sites piled next to each other
Re: SAM site overview - 1100 sites, and counting! SOC 10/14/07 6:57 PM
Got 'em, thanks. I'd already seen the Ashuluk stuff, pretty neat. Too bad you can't see the operational range area at Kapustin Yar yet. A new update will be posted soon, I'm checking a lot of old sites to see if their status has changed after rambo54's Syrian updates. Located a few new sites as well, and there's a lot more stuff in China now.
Re: SAM site overview - 1164 sites, and counting! SOC 10/23/07 1:06 PM
New update today. This time you'll see some new stuff in China, Russia, and a few other locations (mostly in Eastern Europe). Also, there have been a few updates to sites in Syria and Russia, where sites have either changed (from SA-2 to SA-3) or were able to be more accurately identified (from SA-5 to empty SA-5 site if higher resolution imagery was available).
Re: SAM site overview - 1164 sites, and counting! SOC 10/25/07 12:35 PM
With the new imagery update, I've reexamined Syria and added 15 new SA-2, SA-3, and SA-6 sites to the database.
Syrian Nuclear Weapons Site Revealed RickStein 10/25/07 1:51 PM
New York Times has published before & after satellite photos of the location at approximately 35 degrees 42.20 north and 39 degrees 49.58 east. Clearly visible on Google Earth.
Re: SAM site overview - 1164 sites, and counting! Anastasiuss 10/29/07 9:55 AM
I have al litte problem with the last Sam Site Overview update. If i open the kmz I get the following error.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2545/geerrorsamsiteoverview2kg2.jpg

any idea?
Re: SAM site overview - 1164 sites, and counting! SOC 10/30/07 1:28 PM
I just tried it and it worked for me. I created the latest file using the most current version of Google Earth, it does have some different icons. You might need to upgrade to the latest version.

Also, sometimes the range rings will get messed up if you use DirectX mode, so use OpenGL mode as well.
Re: SAM site overview - 1186 sites, and counting! SOC 11/1/07 8:42 PM
Big update coming with almost 150 new sites in 23 nations. I need some time to create all the range rings, so check back in a few days for the new file! Total number of sites is now 1311!
Re: SAM site overview - 1311 sites, and counting! SOC 11/4/07 3:40 PM
New update posted today, check the first post for details.
Re: SAM site overview - 1311 sites, and counting! SacredCowTipper 11/16/07 12:02 AM


I've built a juicy KML with all of the Iranian air fields, general location for their naval stuff, many of their larger dams, their oil terminals and refineries, island names, and so forth. The file also has oil & gas terminals & refineries as well as cargo ports for the whole Persian Gulf.

I'd very much like to integrate the SAM information for the region from this posting but I'm unsure of usage rules - am I stepping on someone's toes if I export the bits I need and add them to my file?


While we're on the subject I hear the Sunburn/C-802 antiship missiles in Iran are located on Abu Musa island, Qeshm Island, and on Sirri Island ... does anyone have specifics on placement?
Re: SAM site overview - 1311 sites, and counting! SOC 11/18/07 9:19 AM
You can take whatever of my placemark file you want as far as I'm concerned. The only catch is that if you upload it that way, you'll end up posting double placemarks into Google, and they can get irate about that sometimes (if they notice). But as far as I'm concerned, grab whatever sites and range rings you want and go to town.
Re: SAM site overview - 1164 sites, and counting! Idrisi315 11/19/07 9:56 AM
There are two abandonded sites at Quinghai lake, China. 36.819819°,100.763215° The second site is 500 meters south of the first. It's a bit hard to see.
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Re: SAM site overview - 1328 sites, and counting! SOC 12/4/07 8:57 PM
New update today, look for the Chinese KS-1A site!
Re: SAM site overview - 1328 sites, and counting! LeX2 12/17/07 1:20 PM
Watch Keila Joa, 20km west to Tallinn, the first 5 channel SA-5 in high res. It hosted the earliest S-200 variant, the Angara with 150 km range.
Re: SAM site overview - 1328 sites, and counting! SOC 12/17/07 5:47 PM
I've already gone through and changed a lot of arbitrary "SA-5" placemarks to "Empty SA-5 site" if they can now be seen in high res. Got this one and some others in Russia and Eastern Europe.
Re: SAM site overview - 1371 sites, and counting! SOC 12/17/07 5:51 PM
New update today in conjunction with the new Google Earth imagery update. Getting closer to 1400 sites now. Check the first post for details of the update.
Re: SAM site overview - 1371 sites, and counting! rambo54 12/18/07 5:46 AM
Hi SOC!
I think we have another SA-11 garrison at Srednebelaya which was already mentioned at http://www.warfare.ru/?lang=&catid=264&linkid=1690 as home of 109 AD BDE but I'm not quite sure - have an eye on it.
Greetings
Re: SAM site overview - 1371 sites, and counting! SOC 12/18/07 8:41 PM
Good find, I see an SA-11 battery, the garrison, and an EW site (should be SNOW DRIFT radar set). I'll add it to the next update once I get some range rings created for SNOW DRIFT and the SA-11 battery. Consequently I just uploaded a new file with another S-300PM-1 and 64N6 site around Moscow that I had missed up until now.
Re: SAM site overview - 1371 sites, and counting! rambo54 12/23/07 6:13 AM
Hi SOC!
There's maybe another SA-12 location at Strugi Krasnie which was already mentioned at http://www.warfare.ru/?lang=&catid=264&linkid=1696 as home of 133 AD BDE but I'm not quite sure - pls have a look.
Greetings
Re: SAM site overview - 1381 sites, and counting! SOC 12/23/07 7:57 PM
A little more time to go over some of the new imagery, a few more sites added to the database.
Re: SAM site overview - 1381 sites, and counting! palatinat 12/26/07 3:09 AM
Hello,

sorry to say patriot site at 49°10'9.47"N 7°44'6.26"O is no patriot site,
it is former fbg fuel depot Hinterweidenthal, closed in the nineties.

Greetings from palatinat
Re: SAM site overview - 1371 sites, and counting! SOC 12/29/07 11:55 AM
Yup, that should be an SA-12 garrison.
Re: SAM site overview - 1381 sites, and counting! SOC 12/29/07 11:59 AM
You're right, that's no Patriot site, I'll remove it from the database on the next update.
Re: SAM site overview - 1391 sites, and counting! SOC 1/3/08 12:53 AM
Added around 10 more sites in Russia and the Ukraine, almost to 1400!
Re: SAM site overview - 1391 sites, and counting! SOC 1/3/08 6:23 PM
There was a problem with the file I uploaded last night, downloading it resulted in a file about 1/6th the size of the actual file. Obviously, you got an error trying to open that file. I just reuploaded the latest file and it seems to be working fine now. Sorry for any inconveniences this may have caused some of you!
Re: SAM site overview - 1391 sites, and counting! LittleRex 1/11/08 3:49 PM
I'm new to this so pardon if you already got this one. There looks to be another HAWK site at the Bushehr airfield in Iran. I think I have the latest overview and it's not showing up as marked.
Re: SAM site overview - 1391 sites, and counting! pir3ge 1/13/08 3:57 AM

44°37'50.76"N 37°55'24.99"E

one more 64N6 radar i think
Re: SAM site overview - 1391 sites, and counting! SOC 1/14/08 7:37 AM
Great find, how in the world did that one slip by?
Re: SAM site overview - 1391 sites, and counting! SOC 1/14/08 7:39 AM
Very well spotted. I do have this one, but it is in a battery of about 20 sites that I am still loading into the database. Takes time to collect screenshots, copy coordinates, and then generate the range rings!
Re: SAM site overview - 1391 sites, and counting! BinBin 1/15/08 4:40 AM
Really fantastic
Thanks for sharing.
Re: SAM site overview - 1426 sites, and counting! SOC 1/16/08 8:20 PM
Added a new file this evening. Most of the updates focus on Eastern Europe and the FSU, but there are a few new sites scattered about in China and Libya as well.
Re: SAM site overview - 1443 sites, and counting! SOC 1/23/08 8:21 PM
New update today, primarily focusing on China, with a few other odds and ends tossed in for good measure.
Re: SAM site overview - 1443 sites, and counting! rambo54 2/1/08 8:44 AM
Hi SOC!
If you are willing to include Israeli ABM stuff you shouldn't ignore the second site at Ein Shomer ( 32°26'11.37"N 34°59'59.23"E) - the four launchers are clearly visible...
best regards

Re: SAM site overview - 1443 sites, and counting! SOC 2/1/08 6:27 PM
Thanks, I'll add that one. I've got a bunch of other sites to add as well.
Re: SAM site overview - 1443 sites, and counting! st_Paulus 2/6/08 4:40 AM
http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/download.php?Number=1108751

I lived nerby since 1986. It's never been C300 garrison. Just former C125 garrison, and since middle of 90th its a storage-utilisation site.
Re: SAM site overview - 1443 sites, and counting! fkroupa 2/6/08 12:40 PM
The actual situation of SAM sites in the Czech Republic:
All fixed SAM sites have been abandoned several years ago. Their destiny is mostly sad, the technical equipment was dismounted, the buildings usually turn into ruins or were sold/rented to the farmers etc. The SA-5 site Rapotice will act, after adaptation, as a prison. The military museums are created in a more lucky ones.
The Czech air defence is based on Gripen fighters only.Of course, there are some short range mobile/portable SAMs SA6, SA7, SA13 and RBS70.
Re: SAM site overview - 1443 sites, and counting! SOC 2/6/08 6:06 PM
S-300 components are clearly visible, which is why I labeled it as such. It appears to be a former S-200 site actually.
Re: SAM site overview - 1507 sites, and counting! SOC 3/3/08 7:44 PM
Added around 60 new sites, and I still have over 100 new sites that have yet to be added, so stay tuned!
Re: SAM site overview - 1507 sites, and counting! Torgut 3/7/08 5:15 PM
Hey...here is an abandoned SAM location near Prague, Czech Republic which doesn't seems to be in your file:

N 50° 09.435 E 014° 33.212

I found this text in czech about this site, in case some czech fellow would like to translate:



V dobe úvah nad tématem rakety nebo radar se mužeme podívat na místo, kde bylo obojí soucasne, byt pod hlavickou naší hrdinné lidové armády.

Historie tohoto dnes již takrka nepoznatelného a i pro místní dodnes tajemného místa se zacala psát v roce 1973, kdy bylo rozhodnuto o výstavbe 9.protiletadlového raketového oddílu Miškovice, soucásti 71. protiletadlové raketové brigády Praha. Praha a její bezprostrední okolí byla pred útoky letadel chránena systémem 16ti palebných postavení v kruhu, Miškovice byly soucástí tretí etapy výstavby.

Vyzbrojena byla moderním pozemním protiletadlovým raketovým systémem S-125 Neva-M urceným k nicení letounu, rízených strel s plochou dráhou letu, bojových vrtulníku a jiných vzdušných cílu na prízemních, malých a stredních výškách. Vyvinut byl firmou Lavockin a Gruškin OKB a vyráben firmou Fakel MKB.Svým provedením a bojovými možnostmi byl srovnatelný s obdobným americkým systémem MIM-23 HAWK. Nejvetší predností byla velmi dobrá ovladatelnost a vysoká rychlost letu protiletadlové rízené strely, která dosahovala až M=3,5, což umožnovalo nicit i vysoce manévrující vzdušné cíle. V bojové sestave s vyhledávacím radiolokátorem P-15M SQUAT EYE, radiolokacním výškomerem PRV-11 a radiolokátorem navedení LOW BLOW byl systém schopen automaticky sledovat až 6 vzdušných cílu soucasne a zároven navádet 2 PLRS. Vestavená televizní kamera s dosahem až 25 kilometru zvýšila odolnost proti elektronickému rušení.


Objekt se skládá ze dvou cástí, od samotných palpostu je na dohled stanovište radaru. Dnes již kompletne prístupné jsou všechny prostory, vcetne velitelského sálu, skladovacích prostor. Mezi místními obyvateli vždy kolovaly o tomto objektu, kde puvodne nebyl kopecek ale prohluben, spousty mýtu, mimo jiné u možném umístení jaderných zbraní. Díky instalovanému systému se ale dá predpokládat, že byly vybaveny jen klasickou, tedy tríštivou trhavinovou hlavicí.

Armáda tento objekt opustila v roce 1994 a od té doby chátrá. Zub casu a nenechavé ruce zlodeju kovu zanechaly na jeho tvári nesmazatelný otisk, nicméne je jedním z mála prístupných objektu podobného urcení, takže jiste stojí za návštevu.
Re: SAM site overview - 1507 sites, and counting! rambo54 3/9/08 7:26 AM
Hi SOC!
Pls note:
Some "Idiots" updated the Picture for Birobidzhan S-300V site....and all the effort to identify the individual type of vehicles may start again.....
Cheers
Re: SAM site overview - 1507 sites, and counting! SOC 3/9/08 10:07 PM
Cool, thanks. The Czech text is basically saying that it was an S-125 (SA-3 GOA) site. I'll list is as such in the next update.
Re: SAM site overview - 1612 sites, and counting! SOC 3/11/08 11:58 PM
Pretty massive update today. This has me pretty much caught up with all the sites I hadn't input here. Finally got around to throwing the NIKE-HERCULES sites in Italy and Turkey in here as a lot of them are in fact still active, particularly in Turkey where eight active sites can be found. Loads of other changes and additions as well, check the first post for more info regarding the latest updates.
Re: SAM site overview - 1612 sites, and counting! rambo54 3/16/08 10:02 AM
Hi SOC!
There is a strange site near Hoeryong, North Korea ( 42°26'10.05"N 129°45'41.02"E) - I never saw this pattern before and it isn't yet included in your post. Pls have an occasionally look on it.
Cheers from rambo54
Re: SAM site overview - 1612 sites, and counting! SOC 3/25/08 7:19 PM
AAA site. Note the very small size of the revetments and no position for an engagement radar. Sites like this are ALL OVER the place in the DPRK!
Re: SAM site overview - 1612 sites, and counting! allenru 3/26/08 7:23 PM
Hey, I saw some of your markers around Beni Suef Air Base (I used to live in the compound)... I was a kid at the time and enjoyed looking at the SAM batteries as we drove in.

I found what I think is another SAM site at the NNE end of the base that you don't have marked. I can make out four dugout positions, with the same light color side walls, and roads to a radar site.

LAT: 29°13'7.64"N
LON: 31° 2'2.14"E

I'm curious, how do you determine the type of site? How can you tell the difference between SA-1, etc...

Thanks, and great work!
Re: SAM site overview - 1612 sites, and counting! SOC 3/27/08 8:41 PM
You've located a HAWK missile battery, which I already have marked for the next update (along with a whole mess of other Egyptian sites sent to me by ChristianNL). If you look at various sites, you can discern individual layouts and components that are common between systems. That helps to determine what the site contains.

Beyond that, check out my blog posts describing SAM site layouts.
Re: SAM site overview - 1612 sites, and counting! Livers 3/28/08 5:12 AM
Just a quick question - at 136.8348E 50.8918N, you have marked a site as "In-garrison S-300P battery". Just to the NW and SE of that location, there appears to be two sets of towers, five at each location. The SE set show their shadows fairly well. To me, it has the appearance of a power station of some sort, with transmission lines and towers fairly evident heading SSE. Can you confirm this site's function?
Re: SAM site overview - 1612 sites, and counting! SOC 3/28/08 7:30 AM
That site is one half of the Far East Military District's Duga-3 STEEL YARD OTH radar system. It's been dismantled. The other half of the site is at 50.3855° 137.328°. One of them was the transmitter, and one was the receiver. The first site does definitely have an S-300P battery in garrison, you can make out quite a few of the components. It likely supports the two deployed batteries I have marked 2 kilometers to the west.
Re: SAM site overview - 1709 sites, and counting! SOC 3/28/08 9:20 AM
New update today, nearly 100 sites pushing the total over 1700.
Re: SAM site overview - 1612 sites, and counting! rambo54 3/29/08 2:55 AM
Hi SOC! Pls have a look at my placemark. Could it be that there are some SAM-8 and SAM-6 in the vicinity of a Syrian SA-5 battery?
Re: SAM site overview - 1612 sites, and counting! SOC 3/29/08 8:20 PM
I think you might be right about the SA-8s, but I think the others are either SA-9s or SA-13s. SA-6s are typically deployed by Syria at large sites, and the TELs don't quite match what you see there.
Re: SAM site overview - 1612 sites, and counting! rambo54 3/30/08 7:27 AM
Thanks for your respond! I think you are right about that SA-6 stuff.
But I'm convinced that the Syrians will protect this vital S-200 Twin Sites with sam (some) low level systems.
Reportedly they have about 60 SA-8 (enough to have 15 Batteries) - so it could be that they spend a battery each to protect that twin sites.
According to some overlays I think I can definitely identify SA-8 at
33°11'3.12"N 36°34'9.88"E / 33°11'2.49"N 36°34'8.21"E
but probably also at
33°32'11.16"N 36°40'59.21"E and 34°37'35.56"N 36°46'14.82"E.

One more comment about the "Al Haylunah SA-5 Site" (35° 9'11.35"N 36°15'47.46"E) which you found recently.
Obviously the Syrians shift two Batteries to the North - maybe as reaction to the Israeli Strike of Sept 6th 2007...
It seems to be a new site. I think there is another battery just to the west of it ( 35° 9'10.72"N 36°14'44.15"E). This would make sense because they are usually deployed as twin batteries at one site.
Assuming that the overall figure of that rather old System are constant (8 batteries at four firing complexes) this probably means a transfer of two (of four) batteries from Dumeir - although still not seen on GE (so we now have ten batteries at the moment).
BTW: there is a beautiful P-14 visible at 33°33'5.94"N 36°40'54.52"E.
Cheers
Re: SAM site overview - 1612 sites, and counting! SOC 3/30/08 7:46 PM
First off, I don't know if the Al Haylunah site has two batteries or not. I say no, because the position of the second battery you've marked is quite a bit away from the first site. If there are multiple launch sites, they tend to be in close proximity. If you look at the southernmost site, the empty one, you can see that they did only place one launch site there, so there is a precedent for only having one launch site. I could be wrong though, I'll mark it in my "check these spots when the imagery is updated" file.

Also, that image was taken on 29 December 2006, so it wasn't placed there as a response to the Israeli attack in September of 2007. It may have been a new site when the image was taken, but you have to remember to check the image dates to see if it is really a "new" site or not.

The Ain Dlaime site is an SA-5 battery. The configuration resembles the inactive southern site.

I have been monitoring different locations looking for evidence of SA-11s in Syria, it'll be posted on my blog when I finish evaluating certain locations.
Re: SAM site overview - 1612 sites, and counting! rambo54 4/3/08 3:11 AM
Well...I don't remember whether I included it in my post already but I saw some SA-11 "look alikes" (e.g. 34°37'9.51"N 36°46'17.68"E). Although the ongoing rumours about Syrian Buks in recent years turned out always as false - as far as I know.

BTW: pls check a location in northern russia about S-300V - could be the 133rd AD Bgd near Strugi Krasnie (acc. to warfare.ru) at 58°12'25.01"N 29° 3'41.09"E

Cheers
Re: SAM site overview - 1612 sites, and counting! SOC 4/3/08 8:31 PM
There are some S-300V TELARs as well as a radar set in residence. I labeled it as a SAM garrison and not as an S-300V garrison in my placemark file because there are a lot more vehicles in residence that are not associated with the S-300V. I can make out two S-300V1 and two S-300V2 TELARs loaded with missile tubes, a mess of reloads, and maybe a bunch of S-300PM-1 towed TELs as well. All of that implies a SAM garrison which is not associated with a single type.
Re: SAM site overview - 1821 sites, and counting! SOC 4/6/08 11:22 PM
New update today with over 100 new sites. One interesting site to note is the new empty SA-5 site in Georgia, I wasn't aware there should have been one there but stumbled across it by accident while searching for SA-2 locations.
Re: SAM site overview - 1821 sites, and counting! durwan 4/7/08 12:58 PM
Hi Sean,

Just let you know that there is one more HQ9 with Hi-Res: N31 56 13 E119 12 28, and the site at N32 17 54 E119 11 35 has been converted to a HQ9 site. Those four sites around Nanjing are all belonged to one regiment. So the HQ2 site located north to Nanjing will be soon converted to HQ9 site too.

The two HQ2 sites in Guangzhou city have been converted to HQ12 sites. The HQ2 site located west to Guangzhou will be a HQ12 site too as they are all belonged to one brigade.

And, an abandoned site at N35 57 17 E104 01 46 is now shown up.
Re: SAM site overview - 1821 sites, and counting! SOC 4/7/08 6:50 PM
Got 'em, thanks. Note that there is still a partial HQ-2 battery deployed north of the northern Nanjing empty HQ-9 site. I'll leave the HQ-2 placemark there, and note the site as an inactive HQ-9 site.
Re: SAM site overview - 1839 sites, and counting! SOC 4/8/08 9:54 PM
Minor update tonight, up to 1839 sites now. Most of these are related facilities or empty sites, but there is a new SA-3 in Libya and a new HQ-9 in China.
Re: SAM site overview - 1839 sites, and counting! Abaleh 4/10/08 1:51 AM
Hi Sean,

I think I found another S-300 site in Russia,

44.9222°N
37.4194°E

Abaleh
Re: SAM site overview - 1839 sites, and counting! SOC 4/13/08 11:00 AM
That one should already be in the file, I have it listed as an S-300PM-1 site. Good find though, keep searching!
Re: SAM site overview - 1839 sites, and counting! Abaleh 4/14/08 5:13 AM
And another in Belarussia, at

53.6194°N
27.117°E

Abaleh
Re: SAM site overview - 1839 sites, and counting! SOC 4/14/08 7:34 PM
I've got that one in there too, as an S-300PT...did I upload the wrong file or something? Or have you not downloaded the latest file? I update it and change the file on the first post on a regular basis...
Re: SAM site overview - 1839 sites, and counting! Abaleh 4/17/08 1:32 AM
I downloaded the file in your signature and both sites don't appear in it.

Abaleh
Re: SAM site overview - 1839 sites, and counting! SOC 4/17/08 7:06 PM
The file on the first post of this thread does have those sites in there, I just checked. The filename should have 9 April in it for the most current version, maybe you're using an old one.
Re: SAM site overview - 1839 sites, and counting! handtrackingoperator 4/18/08 8:22 PM
You should add one more.
The location is:
45*07'50.31" N
33*31'42.23" E
There is former SA-2 (C-75M4) site, Crimea, Ukraine.
Re: SAM site overview - 1839 sites, and counting! SOC 4/19/08 5:33 PM
ONE more? This makes a total of 76 more that I have to add. I've been going through parts of Russia and the former USSR searching out old SA-2 and SA-3 sites. A new file will be available when they've been cataloged.
Re: SAM site overview - 1954 sites, and counting! SOC 4/19/08 11:49 PM
New update today. Over 100 sites, most of them in Russia. I think every site this time around was an EW site or an unoccupied site of some sort, so there are no new range rings.
Re: SAM site overview - 1839 sites, and counting! handtrackingoperator 4/20/08 8:34 PM
It was just the place where I spent a couple years for Soviet army as a missile guide operator.
I know some places in Crimea and Kazakstan also which I wisited at that time, but I need to found them to provide exact coordinates.

Best regards.
Re: SAM site overview - 1977 sites, and counting! SOC 4/25/08 7:38 PM
Another new update tonight. We're a decent imagery update away from passing the 2000 mark!
Re: SAM site overview - 1977 sites, and counting! SOC 5/8/08 10:46 PM
There was a problem with the file, I've uploaded a fixed version. Any problems opening the file should be eliminated.
Re: SAM site overview - 2047 sites, and counting! SOC 5/21/08 10:13 PM
Pretty big update with 70 sites added. New countries added are Montenegro, Cyprus, and Qatar. Many of the sites are inactive SA-2 sites in Egypt, but there are other finds in there as well, such as three new SA-3 sites in India.
Re: SAM site overview - 2107 sites, and counting! SOC 5/31/08 9:36 PM
Final update posted, see the first post for details. Updates to this file will no longer be posted here, they will be posted (in greater detail, actually) to a new website serving as a KML repository for my blog site, and when the next file is made available this thread will be deleted. Same goes for the rest of the content I had here, it's being culled as we speak.
Re: SAM site overview - 2107 sites, and counting! SOC 6/3/08 10:02 PM
The switch has been made, the file is now at a new location.
Re: SAM site overview - 1328 sites, and counting! LJaupi 6/5/08 4:10 AM
what is the new location of the file? tnx
Re: SAM site overview ikeik 6/8/08 7:45 PM
Judging from the spacing, location and placement of these structures along the perimeter of the facility, I'd say they are more likely guard tower/sentry positions of some kind. If you look at the apparent height of each (based off of the shadow length) and compare it to that of the buildings...they appear to be about the same height. Sitting out there like that, they would make awfully easy targets for attacking aircraft or UAVs otherwise.

IKEIK
Re: SAM site overview - 1328 sites, and counting! SOC 6/12/08 11:21 PM
Quote:

what is the new location of the file? tnx




It's now hosted at my blog, here:

http://geimint.blogspot.com/2008/06/worldwide-sam-site-overview.html
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