Updated! US/Coalition Casualites: Iraq & Afghan.

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Updated! US/Coalition Casualites: Iraq & Afghan. purblind_horus 11/1/05 1:00 AM
2006/01/04
I've finally found the 12 hours needed to do some much needed work on this layer.

  • Frank_McVey has spent many long hours manually updating the U.K. records: adding pictures and properly placing markers where GE gecoding and my patience fell short. He's had it done for nearly a month but I've been too busy to finally put it all together. Thanks so much Frank, sorry for the delay.

  • ADDED: 324 casualities from Afghanistan. Some folks were wondering why they couldn't find loved ones on the map. My original data source included only Iraq. Decided to add Afghanistan (they are seperated into different folders on the layer)

  • Added another month of Iraq data (leaving a lag as some reports/details drift in late). Iraq is now to Nov. 30th. Afghan up to Dec 28th.

  • Confusion over placement of markers I don't have street addressed for any of these points, so locations are resolved to hometown only (per GE's search/geocoding). Originally I displaced multiple records for a single city northward (adding to the above confusion). They are now stacked vertically, ala the Iraqi mil/civil casualities layer. Don't forget to tilt/zoom over big cities to see all the points.

  • There is a bit more information in the "Readme" placemark off the Eastern Seaboard check it out if you like.

  • Need volunteers: if you have nothing but free time, and would like to contribute to this project, please contact me at the email below. I have a list of soldiers that do not have pictures, and others with unresolved home towns. It's too time consuming for me to do all the error correction myself. So if you would like to pitch in, I'd really appreciate it.



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A bit somber for my first post... but worth it. Appropriately, it's All Saint's Day.

Here's a map of the 2212 American and Coalition causalities since the war on Iraq began in March of 2003, up to Oct. 27th, 2005.
*Make sure to click on placemarks for personal information and photos*


I have absolutely no political motivations behind this work, so please don't read into any Pro or Anti-War/Bush/Iraqi messages that just aren't there. I just feel for the people that have died on both sides of this conflict (innocent, civilian, military or otherwise), and would like to help other grasp the magnitude of this loss. As you can see, there isn't a place in America that isn't affected. Don't forget to check out Europe, the Pacific Islands and a few other random places.

I am also interested in adding another layer representing the documented and/or estimated Iraqi military and civilian causualties. Although putting tens of thousands more points on the globe might be stretching Google Earth's (or your computer's) abilties. So we'll see.


Data was taken from icasualties.org
I asked permission to use their data, but have not yet heard back from them. If they are willing, I will use my scripts to pull data live from their database, as to keep this up to date. Google Earth's geocoding wasn't able to find some smaller US/foriegn towns (misspellings?). In these cases it's noted, and the placemark is set near the capital of the state or country.

Images are loaded directly from CNN's US & Coalition Causalities page. Irregularities in their jpg naming convention resulted in a hundred or so pictures available on CNN's site that aren't in this layer. Will try to fix if I have time.

Links to the appropriate icasualties.org (DoD, Centcom, News items), CNN pages are provided. Honor the Fallen's site has some nice stories about people... but no way to directly link to their pages. Searching for just the last name gives the best results.


I have done my best to correct errors. I will probably release another version (hopefully a URL with kml generated on-the-fly) in the future. I apologize if some of the foriegn names and home towns got screwed up, as there were some unicode/ANSI character problems. Will try to fix. If there are any errors for your friends or loved ones, please let me know, and I'll do my best to fix it.

Thanks for looking in...

Sean A. - purblindHorus )at( gmail )dot( com
Re: War Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 RomulusJ 11/1/05 3:29 AM
Very Sobbering.

Your effort is commendable, a GE memorial.

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Re: War Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 Red_Rover1 11/1/05 3:43 AM
This is an amazing first post. You seem sincere in what you are trying to accomplish and hope what you have done is taken well by the community. Some of these names I know directly from the brigade I served in. May God bless them and their families; may they rest in peace. I hope this country never forgets the debt they owe to the men and women who serve this country.
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Re: War Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 Anonymous 11/1/05 3:05 PM
Thank you for this. Thank you for going to the trouble and taking the time.

Quote:

I am also interested in adding another layer representing the documented and/or estimated Iraqi military and civilian causualties.




I think this would be extremely valuable and everyone would owe you another great debt if you could do it.

I am guessing you know already, but IBC (Iraq Body Count) would be an excellent resource for such data. They are very conservative compared to other sources and verify all reports; so their figures tend to look lower than others', but they are respected as an independent authority largely because of this.

Peace.
Re: War Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 purblind_horus 11/1/05 4:05 PM
Thanks for the tip... IBC's database page should be easy enough to harvest data from... so I will start working on it. Testing the limits of google earth with ~30k placemarks will be interesting...

If anyone else has recommendations as to sources for Iraqi causualties, please let me know.

I know this is a touchy subject, and to many people, seeing a death count for either side illicits strong emotional and intellectual responses. I realize that all sources will have some bias, political or otherwise, and frequently war causualties website are attacking one side or the other.

I want to keep this as apolitical as possible, as for me this project is more about the deaths sons and daughters, friends, parents, lovers and siblings... rather than enemies or allies. Someone out there has cried and mourned over every one of these people lost.

Sorry if the Zen attitude is getting old, I just want that to be clear.
Re: War Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 Frank_McVey 11/1/05 6:41 PM
A truly outstanding post.

Thanks, Sean.

Cheers

Frank
Re: War Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 pb2au99 11/1/05 10:57 PM
Excellent post. Thank you.
Re: War Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 Duke_of_URL 11/2/05 12:06 AM
Thank you.
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Re: War Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 brucemcdonald 11/7/05 12:01 AM
To say that your work is "unbelievable" doesn't do it justice. It's all too believable. A memorial and a living testimony. Thank you.
Re: War Casualites - William Wood 27Oct05 genehil 11/7/05 3:08 PM
Col Wood was from Panama City, Florida.

He graduated Bay High School in 1979.

CLICK HERE for very good tribute from the local ABC Station with a very powerful interview with his parents.

Col Wood is the highest ranking military member to lose his life during Operation Iraqi Freedom.
Re: War Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 2catkins 11/9/05 11:26 AM
As a Brit who as a child used to love reading about war, loved target shooting and some of the techniques of soldiering with the army cadets, I've now grown older with the knowledge that I would rather run from war than fight it. I'm also in a generation that perhaps is lucky enough to be able to make that decision without the fear of shame or the firing squad that greeted my grandparents generation.
I've also felt it important to show my son the many First & Second War cemetaries and sites in France, Germany and the Low Countries, not so much to 'enforce' on him any beliefs or ideals, but so that he can see for himself the costs of war.

The rights and wrongs of political beliefs are for others to judge, but the cost to so many parents is as graphic in this amazing posting as any war cemetary that I've seen in Europe.
It's an excellent posting, and the work in presenting it with simple facts and an image is an outstanding online memorial worthy of any war graves cemetary status. Well done.

Regarding your comments re civilian casulties - yes, it's the other side of the war story which is often ignored and sometimes hard to comprehend. The effort and work to create an online memorial for them would be massive, and the impact of how to put over the shear numbers involved could be difficult without the view being a mass of dots. Your method of locating a soldier's hometown is good for this initial 'memorial', but in a warzone civilian type memorial you could have tens or hundreds of caulties just in one small location.
However, there is perhaps some method to symbolise and recognise the civilian losses within a war zone, but the best means to do it simply, effectively, and sensitively with respect, is obviously going to be quite difficult.
Re: War Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 echodawg 11/9/05 8:26 PM
Great post!

Sorry to all and their families!
Imagine the one you'd have to do for the innocents in Iraq!!!
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Re: War Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 KingConn 11/11/05 5:40 PM
I must say that this is a great first post.
Challenges with 30K Iraqi causualties purblind_horus 11/12/05 3:01 PM
I have been working on a Iraqi causualties layer for this post... and I will say that seeing 30,000 placemarkers over Iraq (and 15k over Baghdad) is pretty striking...

However, Google Earth starts to choke over about 10k placemarks. I don't really want to have each placemarker = 10 deaths, or some other similar dilluting solution.

So will keep tinkering with it on my free time.

I also want to hook this link up to live data from icausualties.org, so it will stay current (I've been generating the kml file with php and csv flat data files).

Thanks for looking in, and let me know if you have more suggestions.

sean
Re: War Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 thorz 11/12/05 5:25 PM
This is an A1 post.... Thank You very much. May more people rememeber our fallen heroes, wether you agree or disagree with the politics that put them in harms way.
Re: War Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 diamondsmile6 11/12/05 8:35 PM
Somber but worth it is right .........good post.
Re: War Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 Haiden2005 11/16/05 5:34 PM
Thank you for this.... I hope it opens the eyes of this country that the deaths are closer to home then they realize.... Having lost family and friends there this means the world to me.... thanks
~Denver
Re: War Casualites - William Wood 27Oct05 HookEmHorns 11/16/05 8:22 PM
As somber as this thread is genehil, the picture of the K-man next to your name still managed to crack a smile out of me...
Re: War Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 HookEmHorns 11/16/05 8:28 PM
Any good sources of data like this available for Afghanistan and prior wars such as Vietnam, Korea, WWII, etc?
Re: War Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 HookEmHorns 11/16/05 8:34 PM
Quote:

I want to keep this as apolitical as possible, as for me this project is more about the deaths sons and daughters, friends, parents, lovers and siblings... rather than enemies or allies. Someone out there has cried and mourned over every one of these people lost.

Sorry if the Zen attitude is getting old, I just want that to be clear.



I think icasualties.org was a great place to take information from then. They are very "matter of fact" and all of the wording there is very careful in terms of keeping politics out and just compiling the most accurate statistics and information on those that have been lost.

Not all, but most of the other sites I have seen clearly have political overtones, and often are less scientific in their methodology.
Forthcoming updates and New projects purblind_horus 11/22/05 2:05 PM
Thanks for all the feedback... I'm glad that so many have taken interest in this.

FYI -

I haven't had time to strike a deal with icausualties.org about direct access to their data for a dynamically generated, always up-to-date version of this layer... so in the mean time I'm looking to do a manual update after Thanksgiving. I'd had some volunteer help to flesh out and make corrects on some of the UK data, so that is on the way as well.


I am also still working on the Iraqi civilian/military causualties... although the problem of sheer numbers is still daunting. I'm learning more and more about kml, and ways to keep each xml record down (grouping points, etc), so hopefully this will become a reality some time soon.




>Any good sources of data like this available for Afghanistan and prior wars such as Vietnam, Korea, WWII, etc?

There have also been inquiries about making similiar layers for other wars (WWII, Vietnam, etc). I have been checking out the US National Archives (http://www.archives.gov/) and there seems to be available data (war causualties info anf otherwise) that I'm considering Googl-izing, including:

- WWII POW info
- Vietnam causualties and POW info
- Korean War causualties and POW info
- WWII Japanese American Internment info
- US National Natural Landmarks

Let me know if you have any suggestions/data sources!

sean
Re: Challenges with 30K Iraqi causualties echodawg 12/4/05 10:31 AM
I understand that you don't want to have a single placemark equal 10 or so deaths
but how about a single icon with 10 or so smaller images(Crescent moon and star---equivelent of christian crosses I think) within the placemark it's self? you can size the placemark accordingly. The bubble could include number of people, date, what happend, ect as I'm sure you wouldn't be able to come up with names and such.

This was my first thought but it is way too flowery!
But It gets the idea across I think.



BTW, I hope I didn't do anything to offend anyone with this image! I know little about the Muslim religion.

It is meant to honor and respect!
Re: War Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 dragons50 12/5/05 3:07 PM
Dude, not only is that depressing but it s also really cool, how do get all the time to compile this stuff, ???
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Re: US / Coalition Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 the1gip 12/18/05 10:21 AM
With all due respect:

Why is there a great big vertical line of names stretching over the landscape of Britain between London, northwards, as far as Welwyn Garden City and Hertford? What you are doing may well be a good idea, but it seems that you have arbitrarily placed those British casualties whose city is unknown in a great big ugly line right over the landscape. Thus, when I turn on the GEC layer, this misplaced line sticks out like a sore thumb. No matter what one's opinions of the war are, this amounts to no more than Internet graffiti and spoils people's enjoyment of viewing the GEC placemarks.

Any correspondence appreciated.

Adam
Re: US / Coalition Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/200 Periboob 12/18/05 11:16 AM
Quote:

With all due respect:

..., this amounts to no more than Internet graffiti and spoils people's enjoyment of viewing the GEC placemarks.

Any correspondence appreciated.

Adam




Expand the GEC folder, and uncheck the military. Then you will not have to look at the "graffiti".

Also, at the risk of overtasking the folks who actualy have to do the work, I hereby nominate Purblind Horus' work for its own separate GEC layer sub-folder. I think the ability to turn these placemarks on and off as a separate block adds significantly to the impact. ...Click-a clear view of the earth...click again-the view is covered with the lists of the dead. No one should be allowed to forget how many there are, and that each marker represents is a real person.
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Appreciation for this post USMCgunrock 12/19/05 10:45 PM
It's hard to put into words the form of emotion that I've found choking my throat upon viewing the work you've undertaken. You have done more than most in putting a form of humanity to each name and number that we have lost these past years. For myself, not a day goes by that i'm overcome by memories of the time spent in Iraq. Some good, some bad, every single one burned into my being because of what was shared out there in a hostile and alien world. So far from home.... It's like the movie "Jarhead" says about forever walking through that desert. How true that is. I will always have a portion of my soul gripped in the reality of my experiences there. I viewed your work and looked once more at the smiling face of one of my closest friends, struggling against the flood of emotion. The flood of tears. You have shown that one way or another, there are always people out there who care for the fallen and the families they left behind. I thank you wholeheartedly for helping to rekindle this thought in my own wounded soul. I'm sure you've heard more than your share of thanks, but I wanted to let you know.
I'm sure that God and men will tell you "Well done......"

I salute you.

Semper Fidelis

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Re: US / Coalition Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/200 Felix_The_Cat 12/21/05 10:42 AM
Quote:

With all due respect:

Why is there a great big vertical line of names stretching over the landscape of Britain between London, northwards, as far as Welwyn Garden City and Hertford?





Would have to second with that point completely. Looks bizarre, and rather lazy.

Looking at and reading some of the entries for UK casualties, just 10 mins casual research would have allowed the location for each one to be accurately plotted.

eg; Yorkshire, England... is no where near London. Berkshire, England is west of London, Cornwall is the far south west of England... That's taken me all of 60 seconds to locate.

Its a laudable goal but lets get it correct. If you need a hand finding places in England, just ask.
Re: US / Coalition Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 KingConn 12/21/05 12:42 PM
This should be put into the "Community Showcase" layer
Re: US / Coalition Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/200 Frank_McVey 12/21/05 1:48 PM
Consider it a work in progress. Bear in mind that Sean has not just had to document the 98 UK- based men and women killed, he has also had the considerable task of doing the same for more than 2000 others world-wide.

The research and coding work to give each of the UK people a face and to "send them home" has largely been done and simply has to be implemented. I presume that Sean's complementary work on the Iraqi casualties has delayed this.

I regret that you perceive elements of Sean's sincere work to "amount to no more than Internet graffiti". Perhaps when you see its fruition you may be able to put it in a more reasonable perspective.

Meanwhile, simply follow Periboob's suggestion and disable the Military section in the GEC Layer.

Cheers

Frank
Re: US / Coalition Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 jadapo2003usa 12/24/05 10:38 PM
Dear jadapo2003usa,

First rule of this forum (and this BBS) is that you will not attack, flame, slam or otherwise malign any other member. In keeping with that rule, your remarks to the OP have been removed. While your opinion is every bit as valuable as any other members', you are not allowed to express your displeasure with his posting by insulting, namecalling or personal attacks. Have a great day, and feel free to stop by and post again.

Regards,


Chief Sparky
Re: US / Coalition Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 huntinwabbits 12/25/05 8:37 PM
I miss Eric. The Bernholtz family and mine used to go see a movie together every Thanksgiving. The family was always a blessing to us and esp Eric. Praise God his heart belonged to Jesus and I will see him again

God Bless the Bernholtz's
Re: US / Coalition Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 mercforhire 12/26/05 12:42 AM

Just my opinion, but I see several posts above that appear to be prime candidates for removal. Seems that not only has the OP been insulted, but every single person who has commended him on his effort to match a number with a name.

Purblind's original idea was to document the Coalition deaths in the current conflict, NOT in WW-I, WW-II, Korea, Vietnam, Somalia, Panama, Storm, or any other....& he is doing a fine job of it, even if the 2000+ entries contain some mistakes. I'm sure he'll happily correct them as soon as possible.

In the mean-time, anyone who prefers to trash his input to the forum, might could spend their time more productively by starting their OWN thread, doing the same with whichever conflict in history you prefer.

I'm sure many on here would be interested in that.
Re: US / Coalition Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 Atko 12/26/05 3:20 AM
This, and it's sister thread of the deaths in Iraq, are very thought provoking threads and sets of placemarks for a number of reasons.

Firstly, it can be seen as a work keeping a close watch as a signifcant historical event unfolds; a way for people to increase their understanding of the events of the day. Greater understanding can lead to greater motivation to do what an individual thinks is right, whatever that may be. Also, perhaps an electronic equivalent of the war memorials that are found in towns and villages all over the world.

Secondly, as with all thought provoking ideas it seems to have provoked anger, at least in one quarter. Although entitlement to an opinion is a given right, postings of the nature above are clearly not appropriate, whatever the subject matter.

My feelings, for what they're worth, are that the mapping of this data is a really helpful way of illustrating the nature of the conflict, and of the modern globalised world, and it is a way of making the nature of the event more relevant to people, like me, who, by chance, have little or no direct relationship with the conflict.
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Re: US / Coalition Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 jeepguy 12/28/05 5:48 PM
Way to go ..... great work and Thanks
Re: US / Coalition Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 mapme 12/28/05 7:46 PM
Wow, There are so many young people! My brother was on of those that died so young. I found 10 names including my brother's that are not on here. It's hard to imagine with all the markers that's it's not everyone.
Re: US / Coalition Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/200 the1gip 12/29/05 11:46 AM
Don't get me wrong - I wish him all the best for when this work is completed - I just feel that the pins in question possibly shouldn't have been placed before the correct location was found.

(Thanks for the military-layer tip by the way.)
Re: US / Coalition Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 mercforhire 1/1/06 12:32 AM
Quote:

Wow, There are so many young people! My brother was on of those that died so young. I found 10 names including my brother's that are not on here. It's hard to imagine with all the markers that's it's not everyone.





Give him your brothers name & location, + those other people, & a couple things like when & where they were killed, & I'm sure he'll be glad to put them on.

I guess he's still updating it. Doesn't look like he's been around for a couple weeks. All the hateful comments may have scared him off.

I vote that if it appears he no longer wants to update the thing, which would be totally understandable, that somebody else, with his permission if he's still around, do it. This thread is too important to go inactive. Each of those guys died for a cause that they deeply believe in & we shouldn't forget them.

Re: US / Coalition Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 soldiersgirl 1/1/06 3:27 AM
Thank you so much for the post! Having a loved one there now myself that I pray for several times a day, I can only say that I appreciate the hard work you have done to recognize those who served our country.
Re: Well done,Sean! samfin 1/3/06 4:36 PM
Sean, well done!

Stunning visualisation....

Respects,

Sam
Re: Missing soldiers were lost in Afghanistan purblind_horus 1/3/06 10:22 PM
Mapme -

I've already sent you a bbs message, but for others curious, these names weren't really missing... these men were lost in Afghanistan, and thus far the data I am using is only for losses in Iraq. I'm manually adding in Mapme's brother and team members lost this past june in a helicopter crash.

When I get a little more time, I will also create a layer for the Afghanistan war... Vietnam war may also be in the mix...

sean
Re: Missing soldiers were lost in Afghanistan mercforhire 1/4/06 1:01 AM

Glad to see ya back. It's a good thread & hoped it wasn't going to be abandoned.
Re: not abandoned, just delayed purblind_horus 1/4/06 5:29 AM
Nope. I haven't abandoned the thread... and not scared off that easily

Life (school/finals, 2 jobs/project deadlines, girlfriend, finding a new place to live, moving half-way across the state, holidays) and a few other things have keep me busy.

But I'm back... and I've got an update (finally). Changes will be noted in main description.

Enjoy.
Re: Updated! US/Coalition Casualites: Iraq & Afghan. stirl1 1/6/06 6:36 PM
added city to David Nary, SAS Warrant Officer casualty #2250 iraq.Would like to move placemark over Duncraig(his home suburb).I tried but failed,they are lat 31.501448 long 115.460421.This is Percy Doyal reserve where I think David would have spent a lot of his time.I grew up in Duncraig and would like to see his placemark close to home
Re: Updated! US/Coalition Casualites: Iraq & Afghan. Lt_Cory_Collier 1/7/06 5:40 PM
Sean,

I thank you with all my heart. One of my friends from back home in NH, who lived in Littleton, NH was BEST FRIENDS with one of the many who were killed over there in Iraq. I'd prefer to keep her name private, but his name was Specialist Jeremy Regnier.

Again, I thank you.

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All I can say is WOW! AZChknLady 1/8/06 5:25 PM
My oldest son was in the same unit as Marc Seiden of Brigantine, NJ. Just a couple of days before he was KIA his mother and I were IMing as I was helping her find a hotel for Marc's return home to Ft. Bragg, NC. Imagine the shock of our entire group of parents that this happened to "one of us". Imagine the shock of the unit that had no KIAs until this happened.

Keep doing this, posting the people killed. Make the memories live, keep the young men and women alive in our hearts and minds.

Nancy Dickinson
Mother to two 82nd Airborne Soldier
Re: Updated! US/Coalition Casualites: Iraq & Afghan. mapme 1/14/06 1:49 PM
Hey Sean Thanks for putting my brother on here! I was hoping you would so I could show this to my Dad. I knew he'd like it anyway but just wanted to wait so he could see his sons name too.

I'm glad they didn't scare ya off

Sorry I didn't realize Iraq and Afganhstan were two different wars.

You are awesome!
Re: Updated! US/Coalition Casualites: Iraq & Afghan. ColdFusion200 1/14/06 6:15 PM
Lance Bombardier Llewelyn Karl Evans lived in Llandudno, which is roughly located at 53°19'10.88"N 3°49'31.57"W
Re: Updated! US/Coalition Casualites: Iraq & Afgh Frank_McVey 1/16/06 2:17 PM
Hi, ColdFusion

Welcome to GE. You'll find Lance Bombardier Llywelyn Karl Evans' placemark in Llandudo, about 400 yards NW of your lat/long position.

I can place it more accurately, if you wish - just repost your message, attaching a placemark showing where he lived in Llandudno and I'll move it for you.

Best Regards

Frank
Re: Updated! US/Coalition Casualites: Iraq & Afghan. Rostman 1/19/06 11:13 AM
Unbelievable! This is one of the most, if not the most, worthwhile projects here in Google Earth. Our hats are off to you for your magnificent work.

I found my long lost father in Mason, TX in 1992 and went there for the first time back then. It's hard to believe someone from that one light, two horse town, lost a son in the war.

Thanks again for your work. Agenda or no agenda, looking at the pins on the map of the US is a real eye opener.
Re: Updated! US/Coalition Casualites: Iraq & Afghan. VISSTICK 1/19/06 4:32 PM

If I may so so:

I hope the day that you don't have to UPDATE this one anymore will come very SOON !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Grts, V
Re: Updated! Problems in San Antonio... BrianLevine 1/22/06 5:28 PM
Looks like something went wrong in San Antonio - a whole bunch of the locations seem to be in a nice straight line, and some of the people seem to have lived in the middle of parks and shopping centers. Something also seems to be particularly wrong with Albert at about 29,30,50N, 98,29,36W (deg,min,sec). His face is all contorted as if it has been photoshopped.
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Re: Updated! Problems in San Antonio... Frank_McVey 1/24/06 9:53 AM
Hi, Brian.

Part of the problem is that the reference sources do not give full addresses - sometimes they will simply say "Private John Jones, from Idaho" Where this has happened, Sean (Purblind-Horus) uses the state capital as John's "hometown"

If there are a significant number from one state, then the placemarks would all be on top of one another in the centre of the state capital, and people would not be able to easily see or open individual placemarks.

To overcome this, John has simply incremented the latitude of such clustered placemarks, so that each succeeding placemark is slightly to the north of its predecessor. Where there are a number, this results in a N-S line of placemarks. It isn't an ideal solution, but better than none.

The real solution, of course, is for people who have personal knowledge to contact Sean with the relevant information - he's keen to improve the quality of information in his post, and he has asked for volunteers to assist him in his ongoing research.

Cheers

Frank
Re: Updated! US/Coalition Casualites: Iraq & Afghan. mthd0 1/26/06 8:07 AM
I don't believe Google Earth is a place that should be used for advancing one's political agenda. I sympathize with your cause but I don't think I should have to be confronted with your placemarks everytime I run this program. I know that I can turn off the "Military" layer, but aside from your placemarks there are actually interesting things in that layer.
Re: Updated! US/Coalition Casualites: Iraq & Afghan. Kempster 1/26/06 5:48 PM
Because this a public forum, you have to respect other users' rights. I don't believe the original purpose of this thread was to advance someone's political agenda.
Re: War Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 syncr0 1/29/06 7:44 AM
ok, a lot of time has been spent on this. yes it may be a worthy cause.
BUT

for google earth, shouldn't these have been in an optional download. would have made more sense. looking at london the view is sort of obscured by these pins. i don't mean it in a disrespectful slur on the casualties. which brings me to a bigger point, bigger than google earth. they were volunteers. you sign up for any volunteer army, some politician puts a gun in your hand and says shoot somebody for me.
Re: Updated! US/Coalition Casualites: Iraq & Afgh elRosewood 1/29/06 9:22 PM
elRosewood. You have a Private message, I strongly suggest you READ IT !
Re: Updated! US/Coalition Casualites: Iraq & Afghan. pmyers 2/2/06 2:49 PM
I just want to add my encouragement and support to this endevour. Keep going Sean, Frank and co. - what a fitting memorial for the digital era. I've been really moved by some of the comments from family and colleagues of those lost in active service.

Pete
Re: Updated! US/Coalition Casualites: Iraq & Afghan. mercforhire 2/3/06 1:32 AM

Once again, I add words of encouragement for the original author. This thread, along with the other casualty one, are the 2 most important threads on the board.

No one here is trying to push a political agenda, except probaly the ones who are whining about how the placemarks are cluttering their view of the crop circles & secret underground bases.

If it upsets anyone when some of us choose to not forget those who died for service & freedom, then just don't read the thread, don't download the attachment, & turn your layers off until you zoom in on whatever you're wanting to look at. If you're trying to look at an entire country or state, you don't need them turned on anyway.

And please quit disrespecting the dead, & insulting the families, by needless comments such as by mthd0 & syncr0.

And remember too, a large percentage of GE members are either former servicemen & servicewomen of their respective countries, and/or have friends or family currently in theater. I, myself, fall into all 3 of those catagories.

When you say you'd rather not be bothered with un-necessary placemarks honoring fallen soldiers, because you have something more important to look at, many of us may just take that as a personal insult.

Maybe the Mods will see fit to remove this post, which would be fine...but I've never been guilty of keeping my mouth shut when it comes to stuff like this.

Now, have a peachy day.
Re: Updated! US/Coalition Casualites: Iraq & Afghan. EdC11345 2/3/06 10:01 AM
I can help with some of the town in Eastern Arizona USA as I live here. Lot of territory, few towns. Just houses in open space.

EdC
Re: Updated! US/Coalition Casualites: Iraq & Afghan. Techboy776 2/12/06 12:56 AM
This is amazing, keep up the good work and keep letting people know about the men and women who are dying.
Re: Updated! US/Coalition Casualites: Iraq & Afgh jedidwayne 3/7/06 1:43 PM
I have found a site with several of the missing photos.
You can also show the 20 most recent or an alphabetical list.

spokesman-review

I noticed that the first two missing photos in the A's were both there. I don't know how many others they have but it seems like a good reference.

The site iraq.pigstye.net shows the following:

Individuals US (2290)
Individuals GB (91)
Individuals Denmark (2)
Individuals Spain (18)
Individuals Italy (28)
Individuals Bulgaria (8)
Individuals Thailand (1)
Individuals Estonia (2)
Individuals Ukraine (9)
Individuals El Salvador (2)
Individuals Netherland (2)
Individuals Latvia (1)
Individuals Slovakia (1)
Individuals Hungary (1)
Individuals Australia (1)
Individuals Kazakhstan (1)
Individuals Poland (11)

fallen-coalition-heroes.com seems to have the most photos from what I can tell.
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Re: US/Coalition Casualites - Clutter (retracted!) funkwich 3/16/06 6:01 PM
Edited to reflect the fact that I am a fool and never noticed the different options within the Google Earth Community layer. Apologies all around! I really, really never noticed that it had the option to be expanded and that I could just turn off individual types (transportation, military, etc.). I thought it was all or nothing. Uh... oops? I guess I'm still newer to GE than I'd like to think.

Now that I know I can toggle it on an off at will, I agree with the masses that this is a project deserving of much praise. I'm sorry for criticizing such a great undertaking, especially over something so silly that I could have assuaged my complaints with two clicks.

Many thanks to echodawg and Chief_Sparky for educating me.
Re: US/Coalition Casualites - Clutter echodawg 3/17/06 8:20 AM
I don't understand how Info=clutter.
uncheck the box and your clutter is gone.
The way that this kml is layed out puts the info into perspective.
This was a lot of work and I appreciate it.
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Re: Updated! US/Coalition Casualites: Iraq & Afghan. lloii 3/19/06 6:19 PM
As a military member I think this is outstanding. Gives me a heavy heart.
Re: Updated! US/Coalition Casualites: Iraq & Afghan. patientXero 3/26/06 8:31 AM
Thank you for spending so much time on this. It is a brilliant use of technology to give tragedy a face.
Re: Updated! US/Coalition Casualites: Iraq & Afgh tweeber 3/28/06 11:31 AM
hey,

He (Lance Corporal Michael Allred [Hyde Park, UT]) was a good man, and a friend of mine. Me and some friends donated his old motorcycle (fixed up and repainted) to his father. Thank you for listing him on Google Earth.

Trevor M.
Trenton, UT
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Re: Updated! US/Coalition Casualites: Iraq & Afgh tweeber 3/28/06 11:46 AM
here is a pic of the gas tank on the motorcycle.





Fixed your image link for you.
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Re: Updated! US/Coalition Casualites: Iraq & Afgh PatrickSalsbury 4/13/06 10:44 PM
This is really top-notch work. Thank you for all your effort and time!

I think it stands as a nice testimony and rememberance of the soldiers who've given their lives, and I've even found a couple from some of the small towns that surround where I live.

The presentation is nice, too. It's not "pushy", doesn't clamor for attention, but as you fly around, you find this silent reminder of just how much the war does permeate our society, and our towns.



The "Spiral of the Dead" coming out of Baghdad is really creepy/sobering. It's astonishing to see how many people have died over there, when they're all laid out side-by-side like that. It speaks much louder than words.

Thanks again.

Pat
Re: Updated! US/Coalition Casualites: Iraq & Afgh Woodee 4/18/06 8:39 AM
wow...amazing work there!!! It sure puts things in perspective!!!


On a technical note...now I have downloaded the file from the first post, do I need to keep downloading it for updates, or does it update automatically when I open google earth everytime?

Keep up the good work.... and let's hope you don't need to keep adding to it
Re: Updated! US/Coalition Casualites: Iraq & Afgh tekgergedan 4/18/06 9:32 AM
If you want it automatically be updated, you'll need to link it to a Network Link which needs a Plus version.

Cheers...
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to purblind_horus alaskanjackal 8/1/06 12:21 PM
you seem to feel strongly about the casualties........... this i honor... but you dont seem to interested in doing something about it... well except on the GE side of things wich i cant stand you'd actuall put place markers like that....

"stick your own feet in the water... not of the allready fallen" -General Sterling Price
Re: Updated! US/Coalition Casualites: Iraq & Afghan. ThaReaper 8/28/06 1:09 PM
Thank you, i'm from holland and you had the two guys that where killed there corectly by name, i like the idea that someone was really busy with this, google earth is good for a few things.
Re: to purblind_horus mercforhire 9/24/06 5:08 PM
Quote:

you seem to feel strongly about the casualties........... this i honor... but you dont seem to interested in doing something about it... well except on the GE side of things wich i cant stand you'd actuall put place markers like that....

"stick your own feet in the water... not of the allready fallen" -General Sterling Price




And what exactly do you suggest he do about it?? Do you personally know the author of this excellent thread?? If you DON'T, then you really have no idea what his feelings about the conflict are..or what measures he is taking to shorten, or continue, the conflict.

And until you do, then you are really out-of-place by making a statement like that.

He is honoring the ones who had the courage to do a job that many were too cowardly to do...and they paid the ultimate price. For that, they should be remembered, regardless of how you feel about what they were involved in.
Re: Updated! US/Coalition Casualites: Iraq & Afghan. Dioneo 1/8/07 8:05 PM
Laudable work!
In the honor of all people dead by the war, the unreasonable war, like all the wars.
A very far opinion, because I am not from your country (from any country involved on that war): the USA (also UK) looks like you (your countries) live from the war. Just looking the last century, the USA was involved almost in every war. Is very sad. Perhaps you (your governors) think that the economy of the country is sustained by the war. We don't know, we are far away from there. Anyway is sad, very sad. Now, the terrorism is affecting everybody around the world. The terrorism around you (USA & UK), and against you. There are a lot of people that envy your countries, your way of life, and they think (if one can name that "think") that you have to disappear from the face of the Earth. It is, again, very sad. I hope that will come a better future for you, and for us.
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