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Different first page header?

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Different first page header? driscollm 9/28/11 11:55 AM
I see that Google Docs doesn't have this functionality, but I'm starting this new thread as a feature request.

It is extremely common in academic and professional writing to need to have different headers and/or footers for the first page and the rest of the document and/or for odd and even pages. (For example, it is terrible form to put a page number on the first page in any style.)

Google, this seems extremely easy to implement. Please?
Re: Different first page header? Gill 9/29/11 2:06 PM
This has been requested numerous times over the months (years?) since the new version of the editor was introduced. I agree that it is sorely needed. 
Re: Different first page header? jeffryowl 10/8/11 8:54 AM
As a college professor, I wholeheartedly support this request. This issue is one of main reasons that I cannot completely shift my work process to Google Docs. It is a necessary feature. Thank you!
Re: Different first page header? markjeffs 10/9/11 9:09 AM
I run a financial planning and wealth management practice, and we have recently migrated from an MS Exchange Server solution to Google for Business.  We are trialing some of CRM packages that link to Google, and I agree that this is a basic bit of functionality that would transform the usability of Google Docs, please add this functionality if it's not too difficult!
Re: Different first page header? seankef 10/13/11 10:18 AM
I second this, I am also hoping Google Docs can implement this into their system. I use Google Docds for academic purposes and this would sincerely save a lot of hassle. 

Thanks
Re: Different first page header? Lifelonglearner 10/26/11 10:16 PM
As a university undergraduate in History and Carrier Language, I need to be able to format page numbers using the MLA Style but as has been noted, it is difficult to insert page numbers as I used to do in Word. Please advise. I do as much work as possible in Google Docs but need to know how to format consecutive page numbers. Thanks.
Re: Different first page header? carlson.antje 10/31/11 6:49 PM
I agree with the above postings, we really need to get some APA formatting possibilities  on here, i.e. the running head on the first page and a different format on the second page. 
Re: Different first page header? Vhost 11/7/11 3:13 PM
I would very much like this feature to be implemented, currently have a client in testing and this is one feature that is not available.

Another is the watermark, time to hunt/create a feature request for that!!
Re: Different first page header? jlawshe 11/8/11 7:41 PM
+1 vote for a different first-page header
Re: Different first page header? GraphicsMaven 11/9/11 9:15 AM
As a marketing and web development/design business consultant, I use google's products constantly, but have found that Google docs document app is weak in many ways.  For instance, I am presently working on creating our proof package/portfolio, and need to have headers and footers, but no header on the first page.  I can't do it!  I fully understand that these things take time, but that is an obvious function that ANY wordprocessor must have.  Also, it is HORRENDOUS at handling images!  Intuitive is NOT part of this word processor's vocabulary, nor is WYSIWYG.  This program, at present, is better considered WYWISTB, or What You Want Is Too Bad.  I have high hopes that Google will put in the necessary effort and money to make Google docs a world-class office suite, but it AINT there yet.
Re: Different first page header? GraphicsMaven 11/9/11 9:18 AM
While you're at it Google, how about creating an InDesign rival?  Maximum flexibility, and design-ability, and control.

Yeah, that would be great!
Re: Different first page header? kjsmiley 11/19/11 5:00 AM
Count me in on this one as well.  Definitely needed.
Re: Different first page header? Zaerru 11/20/11 9:16 PM
Definitely necessary, even as early as high school courses this functionality is needed. For the front page it is common, and necessary, that you have your name, class period, and teacher, as the header; however, having this on each page would be illogical and redundant if not just silly.
Re: Different first page header? rakesh.patel.pcs 11/27/11 9:14 PM
As a Business user, there are number of features I would like to see in Google Docs before I make the switch. This is one of the main reasons I can't switch to Google Docs. I would consider this to be basic functionality that should be part of any word processor.
Re: Different first page header? jjjohnny 12/16/11 4:39 AM
Absolutely - Can't use this to the fullest until that functionality gets added - Please Google - you can do this in like 3 minutes with your creative powers! 
Re: Different first page header? fritz.kloepfel 12/21/11 11:36 AM
I, too, would like to see this functionality added.
Re: Different first page header? NiallPCosgrove 12/29/11 7:24 AM
I cannot see how any business user could migrate to Google Docs without the facility to have a 'Header Page' - a different first page.  Please do it!
Re: Different first page header? ColoradoChris 1/9/12 2:59 PM
Trying to create legal documents with a footer for initials on all pages EXCEPT the last page, which has the full signatures. <sigh>.
Re: Different first page header? dziegman 1/9/12 6:00 PM
Agreed!

I helped one poor Junior who was going to lose points on her assignment because this feature wasn't available on Google Docs...

This is such as standard feature for MLA format papers that it's actually critical for proper formatting.  Please do add this feature in a new version!

As a student myself, it would be immensely enticing to use Google Docs more with this feature available.

Thanks in advance for your consideration!

dziegman
Re: Different first page header? Jessejf 1/10/12 8:10 AM
I'm writing a press release and would like the company's logo to appear on the first page header, but not the following pages.  

Re: Different first page header? ufotofu 1/11/12 10:17 AM
I am in complete agreement. This is something which could be fixed relatively simply, it would seem. Yet it is one of the reasons that I cannot use google docs for all of my professional and scholastic needs. My example is from the APA style which dictates that the first page header read: "Running head: TITLE DESCRIPTION" and the following pages header to simply read: "TITLE DESCRIPTION". Google, students and academics are a large and valuable chunk of your customer base. This would be a greatly appreciated fix. 
Re: Different first page header? Phil Denton 1/11/12 9:15 PM
I feel the exact same way.  Like an idiot I burned $150 to get certified in Google Apps for Education only to find out that the Word Processor is useless for any practical application.  Sure, we got real-time co-editing but what good is that when you can't create a quality professional-looking document with the program in the first place?

I guess I'll just have to keep using OpenOffice and my free WebEx trial for now...  But honestly, how hard can it be to have a different formats on each page of a document?  Title page, blank page, ToC, etc?  If I was a paying Google Apps user I would be IRATE.
Re: Different first page header? dziegman 1/12/12 5:23 PM
@All

This is a great opportunity to try out the "Me Too" feature!  Clicking this shows Google that you really want this product feature added, and if all you have to say is "me too" than it saves space in posts!  If you've already posted, you can still do so.  Also, continue to add the ways that you use this in your lives so that they understand it is more than just for students with their papers...

Thanks!

dziegman
Re: Different first page header? Albert Arno 2/6/12 6:35 AM
we need this!!!

I'm also missing a table of contents with the page number 

Albert
Re: Different first page header? Richard Chu 2/6/12 2:09 PM
I would love to have this.
Re: Different first page header? Tgo 2/9/12 4:55 PM
Decided to try completing a Lit review using only google docs. My style guide requires a diff first page header, looks like it's back to MS Word (reluctantly).
Re: Different first page header? polintr 2/11/12 2:53 PM
MLA formatting does not require a different page header for the first page. All pages have last name and page number, according to the latest (7th) edition of the MLA Handbook.
Re: Different first page header? dziegman 2/12/12 7:03 AM
@travisp3 - That may be true.  However, our teachers are still requiring it, from whatever version of MLA they've been using for years. (that's at least what I've picked up from other teachers)

Plus, there are many other practical uses for this.  Can you see how many people want and need this feature across so many posts and threads?

IMHO, this goes beyond MLA...  It comes down to flexibility...

dziegman

Re: Different first page header? polintr 2/12/12 9:22 AM
I agree that allowing for a different first page header would be useful for Google Docs. APA still requires it, though I'm not sure why. As a teacher myself, I think we should be teaching the latest version of whatever style we want the students to use, and I haven't run into any problems with MLA formatting according to their latest standards with Google Docs.
Re: Different first page header? dziegman 2/12/12 2:50 PM
I agree...  I sorta picked up you were probably a teacher!

I think it's when a teacher has been teaching for so many years it can be confusing to change all the time, since they release new MLA formatting every couple of years.  Some even require cover pages, which are not part of the new format, correct?  Have you seen that at your school?  (Our English department has about 25 teachers... should see what the majority of them think...)  APA is pretty awkward by itself anyway, since its requirements are sorta confusing!  (Spacing, etc.)

Love the discussion!

dziegman
Re: Different first page header? polintr 2/12/12 4:48 PM
This is only my second semester teaching, so I started with the latest version of MLA. I teach composition at a community college, and I know that MLA is the standard, though we're supposed to teach APA too for students in nursing and other fields that don't use MLA. I don't know what version most of the English faculty uses, but I know a lot of the refer to the Purdue OWL which, along with our textbooks, use the latest MLA version. My college published a style guide but it's MLA is out of date so I don't use it. I mainly use the Purdue OWL and the current MLA and APA books to teach from. I don't know APA as well. I had MLA memorized then I had to switch to Chicago for grad school, and now I'm glad to be back to MLA. APA is pretty confusing, but that's probably because I haven't been using it for that long. To get back to the Google Docs topic, it would be nice if they supported all formatting and citation styles. This is my first semester requiring Google Docs for all major assignments, so I'm not sure how I'll handle the different first page APA header. Maybe I'll just let that one slide for now.
Re: Different first page header? dziegman 2/12/12 4:56 PM
Might have to...  I've talked to some peeps and I never got a response on the status of this as a real thing to be added...

Perdue OWL is the go to source indeed!

Well, hope our idea becomes a reality! :)

dziegman
Re: Different first page header? DeVry Student 2/12/12 10:39 PM
I cannot use Google Docs @ DeVry University because this feature is missing.
Re: Different first page header? Gill 2/14/12 9:59 AM
I just can't get over how uptight some people get about formatting - sheesh! surely in a composition class you should be judging the essay?
Having said that I do agree that Gdocs should support different formatting options, specifically different first page headers & footers.
Re: Different first page header? passsy 2/15/12 6:49 AM
can't use google docs in university because of the missing feature
Re: Different first page header? cowboysmall 2/24/12 12:14 PM
Can we call Google and request this or is this forum chatter the only way?
I'm in grad school and would really like this option available.
Google please help!
Re: Different first page header? dziegman 2/24/12 12:39 PM
I have tried to "voice my opinion"...  I hope they are listening...

dziegman
Re: Different first page header? Dreadlox 2/29/12 3:34 PM
That prevents me from using google docs at work.
Re: Different first page header? Giles 603 3/1/12 1:39 PM
+1 on this.  Not having a seperate page 1 header is what keeps me using Microsoft Office over Google Documents for my paper-writing needs, and in particular running-head APA papers.
Re: Different first page header? Mrtgilbert 3/4/12 11:14 AM
As with other posters, this is what prevents me from implementing google docs for all of my students
Re: Different first page header? Bureaucromancer 3/7/12 9:40 AM
I'm with everyone else on this... This (and block quote formatting) is just about the only big thing that keeps me from being able to dump word, and I really would like to.
Re: Different first page header? Mr. JS 3/15/12 1:23 PM
+1 to creating a different odd even header/footer option. 

However, I think a very quick workaround to this is simply setting the top margins to something smaller (I suggest .5 inches). 

FIle->Page Setup->Top Magins->[type].5

Although this may work for a different first page, It will be a hassle if want different odd/even headers with page breaks. If you really want to format
your document in a true way, download a copy of your document as a .docx and format it in the word processor that does so of your choosing. 
Re: Different first page header? Gill 3/15/12 4:48 PM
I may be thick but how does setting a smaller margin affect only the first page?
Re: Different first page header? DylanWilson 3/30/12 11:26 AM
Would love to have this feature!
BUMP FOR GREAT JUSTICE
Re: Different first page header? Jack Platt 4/8/12 2:25 AM
Thank You!!!!
 
Google Docs users, I was so sure that I was doing something wrong because I could not get the first page of my papers on Google Docs to hide the page number.  The first page is the Cover Sheet and should not be numbered.  This is a standard feature of all Word Processing software that needs to be included in Google Docs.  How do you get around this issue when doing a cover sheet for your papers?
 
Regards,
 
Jack
Re: Different first page header? samitefan1 4/13/12 9:36 AM
+1. I also agree that this is a glaringly needed feature in Google Docs. 
Re: Different first page header? mitchmre 4/16/12 4:59 PM
I want this as well. I'm going to grad school in August, and I want to use google docs to write my papers instead of clunky Word. Without this feature, I will not be using Docs.
Re: Different first page header? JoyfulC 4/20/12 9:20 AM
Different first page header formatting is a MUST HAVE for Google Docs. I hope the request for it will be given priority.
Re: Different first page header? lunixer 4/22/12 10:10 AM
+1
Re: Different first page header? caralynn99 4/23/12 9:28 PM
Ack!!!! I just wrote an essay for a course I'm taking and now I don't know what to do! Guess it's all going to be copied and pasted to another program!
" DIFFERENT FIRST PAGE" IS A NECESSITY!!!!!!!!
:(
Re: Different first page header? co6alt 4/24/12 7:10 AM
This would be really useful as I go into college!
Re: Different first page header? steinit 4/30/12 3:36 PM
Unbelievable that they have not configured this feature yet. A complete showstopper when it comes to going completely google
Re: Different first page header? traubby 5/4/12 4:49 PM
It's ridiculous that this isn't a standard feature!  It's such an expected piece of funcationality, it's hardly worth even calling it a feature
Re: Different first page header? Gill 5/4/12 5:03 PM
I know that, you know that, thousands of others know that, but Google seem to have a strange blind spot on this one.
Re: Different first page header? Shadowfox1987 5/7/12 7:57 PM
I agree 100%
Re: Different first page header? abkirby 6/7/12 11:28 PM
just a unique solution i came across to this problem:
print the first page without headers, then print all remaining pages after adding the header.
i definitely agree that this feature should be added, but for anyone who needs the feature in the meantime, there is a way.
Re: Different first page header? abkirby 6/7/12 11:28 PM
Re: Different first page header? dcrobertson 6/8/12 3:36 AM
me to. someone mentioned a me too button. Don't see it.
Re: Different first page header? vitalii.fed 6/13/12 6:16 PM
Please add this feature
Re: Different first page header? gloix 6/14/12 7:04 PM
Please, implement this feature!
Re: Different first page header? maclovesmusic 6/16/12 7:18 PM
I'm doing a lit review too... while I am not "uptight" about formatting my prof certainly is! Would LOVE to see a different first page header... this would definitely make Google Docs my #1 word processor.
Re: Different first page header? ScottNen 6/17/12 7:51 PM
Yes please implement this feature Google!!!
Re: Different first page header? TheMusiKid 7/16/12 7:45 PM
I agree. How many people does it take for a request to get recognized by Google? Jesus.

This really needs implementation and it always seems as if they ignore intelligent ideas while they go out and search for ways to make it more "social."
Re: Different first page header? jasam22 7/19/12 4:16 PM
When Google?When?
Its just a simple future,to be honest i dont care about number on first page.
But as i am student my professors do care,a lot. 
Re: Different first page header? MattfromCR 7/20/12 3:55 PM
WTF GOOGLE HAVEN'T YOU EVER WRITTEN A PAPER?!?!
Re: Different first page header? steinit 8/1/12 4:43 PM
This is the only missing feature.
Once that will be implemented I can let go of microsoft office for good.

Please implement this feature that is a standard in any worth wile word processing program.
Re: Different first page header? Europax 8/8/12 3:01 AM
We are a small design house working in Graphics for Print and Web. We love Google, but I have just returned from presenting two estimates, created in Google Docs to an MS loyal client. The lack of a different second page header on Google Doc came up. It is a source of embarrassment - I see this thread has been running almost a year. If I ignored the requirements of my customers for such a long time I would be out of business. Do Google not want their products to be taken seriously in the professional world?



Re: Different first page header? Gill 8/8/12 10:18 AM
<<  Do Google not want their products to be taken seriously in the professional world?>> I don't know, it's very odd isn't' it? You do have to wonder if they actually use Gdocs themselves to write papers.

This has to be the number one problem with Gdocs, joint with the inability to merge table cells. Strange.
Re: Different first page header? Coomes 8/12/12 8:42 PM
Please?
Re: Different first page header? oliverrevol 8/20/12 9:05 AM
really critical function @Edu
Re: Different first page header? Freeze Frame 9/2/12 9:46 AM
It's not just critical for academic use, but for anyone in a Psychology-related field, as the ability to change the title page's header from everything else (to include the Running Head: part) is mandatory for an APA paper.
Re: Different first page header? nursing student 9/3/12 7:56 AM
yes, I agree. My professors want APA formatting, which does include a page number on the title page, but also a DIFFERENT HEADER on the first page. 
Re: Different first page header? Gill 9/4/12 10:19 AM
I know, I know.... Google does not seem to understand this. All I can suggest is setting up a separate document for the first page and printing it separately (and throw away the first page of the printout of the rest!).

C'mon Google!
Re: Different first page header? JoyfulC 9/4/12 11:17 AM
Or just continue using LibreOffice. Google Docs isn't quite ready for prime time.
Re: Different first page header? Europax 9/4/12 11:51 PM
*giggles* Looking at the header of this forum...  it says 'Welcome to the new Google Groups!' Learn about the new features you'll find.   Pity Google could not lend out one of their Google Groups developers to the Google Docs team to cure the 'Different First Page Header' issue!

Re: Different first page header? Europax 9/5/12 12:54 AM
I see 58 authors have contributed to this post, if you take the stats on direct mailing, where 2% of people actually respond to the mailing, and ascribe this stat to people who actually make a complaint, then we are that 2%, and there are another 2900 people out there irritated by this.

Re: Different first page header? Albert Arno 9/5/12 1:00 AM
google should fix it, otherwise people will move to office again
Re: Different first page header? qualitystudio 9/5/12 3:18 AM
I've moved my company to google apps and now we are trying to make some enterprise docs and we can't do them because we need a different header in the title page. My boss is very dissapointed now!!!!

This is a very basic function that google should implement ASAP.
Re: Different first page header? Leetje2727 9/5/12 5:19 AM
I'm sat in a similar position to qualitystudio In the process of switching to my organisation to docs. Essential things needed are Setting different headers,Cell merging,  landscape and portrait pages in the same document not one or the other. These are really big things to most users and gives them an excuse to go back and use word when they find out the can't do it. Docs is such a great solution just let down by a few things.....

On the plus side I have heard they are working on an improved way to track changes! However I really wish the Docs team would fix a few niggles before they go on to develop new cool stuff.
Re: Different first page header? Europax 9/5/12 5:27 AM
yes, if you are the person that has been responsible for putting forward Google Docs as the way to go, it leaves you with egg on your face. Windows Live is there all the time nipping at our heels. (excuse mixed metaphores)
Re: Different first page header? locopingvin 9/18/12 7:35 AM
I'm in a very similar situation. I would be ecstatic to see better header/footer controls.
Re: Different first page header? aquasheep 9/20/12 5:40 PM
As a student who needs to have two different headers, I completely agree that Google should add this. In which channels (other than this one) does one go about getting things done. Should we email someone or send sample code of how to implement the feature? Someone more experienced in Googledom please chime in and share some wisdom. It would be very helpful for me and for this group.

~ Peter
Re: Different first page header? Felicity_BB 9/20/12 11:18 PM
I believe topics about first page headers have been escalated by Top Contributes to Google employees in the past. :)  Generally, people who pay for Google Apps accounts have access to support by Google employees, whereas free users have these forums.
Re: Different first page header? dziegman 9/21/12 7:39 AM
Haha well... can we have hope if the spreadsheet features that recently were added were suggested here on the forums?  :)  I'm now at college, and I know the major thing standing in the way of me using Google Docs for everything will be formatting issues like this one.  I can work around it, but it would be awesome if I could just use Google Docs from start to finish!

dziegman
Re: Different first page header? Ross Hendrickson 10/5/12 12:41 PM
+1 - much needed to convert the office off of Word
Re: Different first page header? Gary Cheeseman 10/11/12 3:44 PM
Well, I finally decided to take the plunge and turn all my document editing and management over to Google Docs. However I soon discovered that this is going to be completely impossible while Google Docs is unable to have different headers and/or footers for different sections of the document!

Maybe if Google were to actually try using Google Docs for serious work, they would spot the enormous barrier that this lack feature presents!

I see that this post has been open for over a year now, but I really hope that this seemingly basic feature is added soon. (Posted 11 October 2012).
Re: Different first page header? Gregory Johnson 10/20/12 6:36 AM
I agree 100% with this discussion. I have two companies: I WOULD LOVE TO USE GOOGLE DOCS. But cant because of this issue. 

I am using Google Drive for both companies and that works well since it can be mapped.  

But why go 98% of the way Google?  Really???
Re: Different first page header? DAS1951 10/21/12 7:47 AM
The first-page-header issue is only one of several basic formatting issues that, I think, Google Docs needs to deal with.

Another is a slightly better choice of paragraph numbering, e.g.

1

1.1
1.1.1

1.2

However, I must say in favour of Google I that it is the only a truly standalone in-the-cloud app, and that is more or less compatible with two major desktop apps (MS Office & OpenOffice).  AFAIK MS Skydrive requires users to have a copy of MS Office on the desktop.  For all its limitations the word processor is still quite serviceable for many uses and the spreadsheet seems reasonably advanced (even if some complicated formulae are not compatible with Excel -- and vice versa).
(I have insufficient info about the other apps like Presentations.)

And there is hope that the product/s will continue to improve.
Re: Different first page header? Gregory Johnson 10/21/12 7:51 AM
Ha... yes DAS... you are right in that it is the best out there.  

Just want a few things more to put it really over the top!!!

I cant wait not to have to purchase another MS Office Suite!!!

Thanks for the post!

G
Re: Different first page header? noahpocalypse 10/22/12 1:43 PM
I can't use Drive for my papers at Ferris State University because the lack of this feature.
Re: Different first page header? Gill 10/28/12 7:36 AM
It's extraordinary, isn't it? So many people have requested this feature, I cannot believe the Google Guides are unaware of it.
Re: Different first page header? Gregory Johnson 10/28/12 8:50 AM
Gile... It is getting "old" to read the same suggestions over and over.

Anyone have any suggestions how we can "turn the heat up" to get this issue noticed?

It would appear that this is one of only a few "major" issues stopping Google Doc from hitting Prime Time in the commercial/educational world.

G

Re: Different first page header? Gregory Johnson 10/28/12 9:08 AM
Sorry... Gill for misspelling your name.    Working on an iPad.... Typing is not as easy on this.
Re: Different first page header? Gill 10/29/12 5:02 PM
No probs - and I agree with you about it getting old.....
Re: Different first page header? Europax 10/30/12 2:55 PM
Is this the case? Can I simply upgrade to some wonderful Google Docs in the sky and find there a paradise with different page headers on following pages and user friendly spreasheets? Please tell me where to sign! You wont see me for a cloud of dust as I rush to join the elite!

Re: Different first page header? Gregory Johnson 10/30/12 3:07 PM
Europax:  Alas no.  This is not the case. 

We all wish it WAS the case.   

But someone that goes by the initials GOOGLE is NOT listening.

I dont see how this could be difficult since those at Microsoft have been doing it for decades.  




Re: Different first page header? Europax 10/31/12 12:58 AM
Thanks for your speedy response. I'm sure we are just beta testers at the end of the day. And when they do get it right it will be a paid service.
Re: Different first page header? Gill 10/31/12 11:15 AM
That may indeed be the case :-(
Re: Different first page header? Gregory Johnson 10/31/12 11:28 AM
Given that they are providing all of this glory for $50 per year... while I hate to have to pay for it, I also hate to have to pay Microsoft for their "productivity" suite.  Therefore, it may be worth the price.

In the mean time: how about a bumper sticker: Human Beta Tester... Failure is our job!

Re: Different first page header? Boedy Bios 10/31/12 6:52 PM
I'm writing my thesis on Google Docs. It was great until I found that Google Docs has no feature in page number formatting. Google Docs also doesn't have table of content with numbering. Now I'm running out of time just because I spent lots of time in finding this in-existing feature :( I'm also have to move all of my thesis back to my old word processor >.< 
Re: Different first page header? Gregory Johnson 10/31/12 6:57 PM
Sorry to hear that Boedy.

What word processor do you use? I have had relatively good luck going to Office if I need to. 

what's the thesis in?  
Re: Different first page header? Boedy Bios 10/31/12 7:03 PM
I'm going back to use MS Word 2010. I hope there will be no problem converting my thesis from Google Docs to MS Word. I use lots of mathematical equations on my thesis >.< So worry about it.
If I knew it, I won't ever use Google Docs >.<
Re: Different first page header? dd4235 11/1/12 8:18 PM
Page numbers in general are fairly straightforward. For MLA-style page numbers, go to Insert -> Page Number -> Top of page. Then, you should be able to move the page number down by pressing enter (or return) 3-4 times. Type your name in front of it, and you should have a number on every page in MLA style. The problem is that Docs does not let you remove the page number for just the first page (as required by MLA). This thread was originally created to request that feature.
Re: Different first page header? DAS1951 11/9/12 1:41 AM
FWIW, regarding your thought about MS "doing it for years" we have to remember that the basic technologies are quite different.  Google Docs are web pages, desktop-based apps are not.
Re: Different first page header? Gill 11/9/12 3:20 AM
Yes and no - the old Writely version of docs was indeed HTML-based and therefore essentially a web page; the new (current) editor is not - I don't know what it is based on, but it isn't HTML - sadly for some of us as we can no longer use CSS styles.

Either way you'd think the brains at Google could find a solution....
Re: Different first page header? bwsmith7 11/12/12 9:21 AM
I'm a grad student thinking about ordering a new Chromebook and trying to move all my work and research to Google's cloud, but it is stuff like this that makes me reluctant to take the plunge. If I can't even write simple homework assignments on Google Docs, it may not be worth switching. Different page headers would be super helpful. Also, a native PDF viewer and editor for making highlights and annotations would be amazing.
Re: Different first page header? Femix Zn 11/18/12 9:25 AM
Well, this forum is a little dated, but it seems to have been keeping a slow pace to it, so I'll post here anyway...
Much like others posting here, I have an APA assignment to work on, and so having different headers would make this much easier. You honestly think it wouldn't be that hard to do, but in this case I guess it is. I've ran into similar issues before, and have found a workaround, usually just by making the title page a separate document. I'm a little annoyed that I need to do that, but it works, at least for now.
Google, I've had much aspiration for you before. You usually stay on top of things. Well, could you get on top of this last feature please? It would be much appreciated by all of the up-tight teachers and professors requesting research papers out there.
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Re: Different first page header? faviouz 12/2/12 7:26 AM
I share the same opinions of those who have already posted here. It is unthinkable to offer a product without such basic functionality. Another thing missing is a good table editor. It's not currently possible to split / merge table cells in Google Docs, which is a huge deal breaker for me.

I too have just finished my essay, only to find out I can't remove a stupid page counter from the first page. I guess I'll have to hack my way around it.
Re: Different first page header? nrumas 12/3/12 9:40 AM
+1. Need this so bad. 
Re: Different first page header? Europax 12/3/12 11:18 AM
The best suggestion I've seen so far is to deliberately have a different first page on your document and set this up on a different template, like in the olden days, you had a fax cover sheet? Then launch into the body copy on the first page of a template set up as a continuation sheet. 

For Googles edification, answers.yahoo.com understand this 
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080214081039AAo6dRI
Re: Different first page header? ooberandy 12/4/12 12:58 PM
Could really do with this being added - almost ridiculous that it isnt...
Re: Different first page header? Eric Kingery 12/14/12 8:57 AM
This is a very basic feature. Many organizations (including the one I am working for) have document templates, and the header and footer on the first / cover page is usually not the same as the rest of the pages. 
Re: Different first page header? Gill 12/14/12 11:15 AM
It is indeed a basic feature, but Google seem to be strangely blind to it. Very odd.
Re: Different first page header? MarAlliison 12/26/12 5:07 AM
This is so frustrating. Why is this basic feature missing after years of development? Crazy.
Re: Different first page header? Gill 12/26/12 3:09 PM
Crazy indeed.
Re: Different first page header? Ray Walsh 1/9/13 8:41 PM
me too
Re: Different first page header? Leif Garib 1/14/13 4:49 PM
C'mon, Google. I use google for everything, but maybe if I try somewhere else...
Re: Different first page header? Jon Wade 1/15/13 2:00 PM
I need this too! 

Seems that this thread is old and the problem still there though.
Re: Different first page header? Gregory Johnson 1/15/13 8:26 PM
Jon

This was first requested in Sept 2011!!  Its only been a year... and a half... or so.  Maybe Google is taking a page out of MS book... ignoring the users to show them who's boss!!  
Re: Different first page header? KUBA GAłęSKI 1/17/13 1:37 PM
I need it too !!! and table of contents with page numbers !! 
Re: Different first page header? Victoria Adee 1/28/13 9:12 PM
Yes, it would be extremely useful, especially for the different types of formatting. APA requires a different first header, and it would be wonderful if they had it so you could actually use headers, and not have to go to the trouble of typing a header on every page, simply because you want a different header on the first page.
Re: Different first page header? Felicity_BB 1/28/13 9:18 PM
Yes, and there have been several newer threads asking for a different first page heading and page numbers in the table of contents.

There is a workaround of creating a separate title page as a separate file in the same collection, but it is a little cumbersome.
Re: Different first page header? Felicity_BB 1/31/13 7:34 PM
No, they haven't, sorry!  Try the workaround in my post just above yours.
Re: Different first page header? Francisco Palermo 2/1/13 8:26 AM
I am also a college professor and feel exactly the same way. Please, please, please. It's probably just few key strokes of coding; although I know nothing about this.
Re: Different first page header? LMSmith 2/3/13 10:32 AM
I just looked up this forum to post this exact request. It seems so basic that I'm astonished it isn't in yet. I just bought the student edition of Microsoft Office, because there is so much functionality absent in the Google Docs word processor, and this function tops my list. The spreadsheets and presentations are fine for basic usage, but the word processor is woefully inadequate. Google, please don't force us to buy unwanted Microsoft products because there is so much functionality missing in Google Docs!
Re: Different first page header? MikeM. 2/7/13 3:00 PM
I agree, this is sorely needed.
Re: Different first page header? Philip Carpenter 2/8/13 8:42 AM
Sheesh. I agree. This is sorely needed. Makes all the difference for letterhead templates.
Re: Different first page header? jaafr88 2/14/13 11:30 PM
i finally convinced my professor to try Google Drive out and now I find out this isn't possible...come on...please add it
Re: Different first page header? domrepp 2/24/13 10:21 PM
Adding my voice to the fray-- absence of such simple functionality like this is one of the big factors keeping me from converting 100% to Google. I can't buy a Chromebook until it supports the basics like this!
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Re: Different first page header? JonMahoney04 2/25/13 1:09 PM
I'll add my 2 cents... Please listen and add this feature!

Thanks.
Re: Different first page header? Shad Lewis 2/26/13 6:35 PM
Yes.  Needed. 
Re: Different first page header? Europax 2/26/13 10:54 PM
Wonder's what the point of this forum is, the thread has been running for months with no feedback?
Re: Different first page header? Albert Arno 2/27/13 1:09 AM
Thinking on Europax post, maybe we should answer, I mean, all of us, and google could take into consideration. By now, only <150 post, maybe if we get, let's say, >500 post, somebody will hear us?
Re: Different first page header? Jordan Hall 2/27/13 12:37 PM
To add a different page number to each page in a google document, add a header, then click into it. Click insert and from the drop-down menu select page number. Unfortunately, this does not fix the problem of different words on different pages in a header. 
Re: Different first page header? Europax 2/27/13 7:43 PM
Thank you for the page numbering info, I think what most contributors to the thread are requesting is a facility for a 'continuation sheet' header. This is a requirement for both the business and academic sectors. Surely a large market for Google to ignore?
Re: Different first page header? Europax 2/27/13 7:57 PM
Definition of a continuation sheet for Google's info: There is a subtle difference between a continuation sheet and a letterhead. A continuation sheet often has less information than a letterhead as it is not required. For instance, a letterhead is likely to have the company address, contact information and company logo. A continuation sheet may only have part of this information, a logo and website for example, taking up less space on the page. 
It is also considered 'extremely bad form' to include a Page Number on the first page of any document, therefore requiring the facility to add a page number starting at '2' on the second page or any page after the first page.
Re: Different first page header? Athena Goulet 3/3/13 10:04 AM
Yes, please add the feature of a different header for the first page. Many college students will thank you. I thought for sure this feature would be fixed years after I first encountered it, but it's still MIA.

WORKAROUND: I am going to use this workaround for now, though, formatting my APA style paper. I will create one document with my title sheet, and a second document with the rest of my paper. This way the headers can be correct and different.
Re: Different first page header? JoyfulC 3/3/13 10:41 AM
Unfortunately, the workaround doesn't help for those of us who need to deliver electronically. Perhaps in combination with merging pdfs?
Re: Different first page header? Alex Kimmelman 3/3/13 11:37 AM
Me too
Re: Different first page header? chend 3/3/13 12:25 PM
I totally agree. I am in middle school and this prevents me from completely writing essays on google docs. I have to go to ms word after i am done to change the header.
Re: Different first page header? Arif Hyder 3/4/13 8:47 PM
I would love for this to happe to! It will make university writing a lot easier. Specially when professors ask you to use MLA and APA format. 
Re: Different first page header? Brandon Waller 3/6/13 7:19 PM
I would love to se this as a feature as well, as a student it is vital that my first page appear differently, especially in terms of heading, for assignments. Sometimes, I need the page number to start on the second page and not on my cover page. This is also important for APA style papers because of the running head. This is a basic bit of functionality that desperately needs to be added.
Re: Different first page header? Nicole Morton 3/7/13 6:15 AM
I would agree a feature to add a different header options to the Google docs. In my classes am required to have a different header on my Tittle page than on the rest of the paper per APA style. This function should be easy to add to the Google documents. 
Re: Different first page header? Malcolm Brooks 3/8/13 3:38 AM
Adding this option would allow me to say, 'This dissertation was created entirely with Google Docs."
Re: Different first page header? Jeff Wilhite 3/10/13 9:13 PM
I'm guessing this hasn't been implemented yet because Google is trying very hard to keep the user interface simple, and they are justifiably afraid the header/footer feature could get unwieldy very quickly.  At first it looks like what people want is simply to be able to have a different header on the first page, but as soon as that feature is implemented users will suddenly realize that they also need their page numbering to begin with the second page (except for those users who don't want that behavior, and they will request another option).  Then there are also the users who want the last page header or footer to be different from the rest or who want the even-numbered pages to be different from the odd-numbered pages.  They would need to add options for all those users, too.

"If you give a mouse a cookie, next he is going to want a glass of milk..."

I think what they may be trying to avoid is nickel-and-dimeing the header/footer feature where they add 27 new header and footer options one at a time to appease a group of users.  Then they end up with an unwieldy set of header/footer options that still doesn't give everyone what they want.

This is my only guess of why such a basic feature hasn't been implemented yet, but it might be that they are holding off on implementing this until they can do it right by adding a full-featured, well designed header/footer mechanism (instead of 27 random options).

However, I think it would be very useful to add a temporary work-around feature that would immediately meet everyone's needs until the full feature can be developed.  They could add a single option to "set headers/footers differently on each page."  Of course, this would be a real pain for those people who have to manually set every page header of a 100 page document, but "a real pain" is infinitely better than "cannot use the software."
Re: Different first page header? Europax 3/11/13 3:49 AM
I'm not sure if I agree with your view Jeff, that Google views its customers as a load of belligerent children that just always want more.

If so it is likely their business will fail.

Having said that I'm not sure why they are apparently ignoring the longest(?) running thread on the forum.




Re: Different first page header? Jeff Wilhite 3/11/13 6:59 AM


I'm not sure if I agree with your view Jeff, that Google views its customers as a load of belligerent children that just always want more.


Oh, that's not at all what I meant to imply.  I think Google has a very good attitude toward its customers.  However, when the goal of your software is simplicity and elegance, you just end up having to say "no" a lot.  I'm a software developer, and I deal with this design tradeoff all the time.  You can always make a certain set of users happy by added "just one more option" but in the end the proliferation of options makes the software more cumbersome for everyone to use.  It's a design tradeoff that Google makes very well.

Take the Google homepage for example.  I don't know who it is, but in order for their home page to be that clean and uncluttered, there has to be some higher-up at Google who walks around all day saying "No, no, no, no, no," because there is always going to be someone who has a really good reason to add just one more little thing to it.

Anyway, all I'm saying is that they might be holding off on this feature because they are very, very reluctant to add "just one more" new option.  So, I tried to propose an option that would cover every different header/footer use case with only one new option.  Namely, the powerful-but-tedious, "set headers/footers differently on each page" option.

I need a solution to this problem as much as anyone and I'm hoping they will move on it quickly.  But I trust they will fix it without violating their core design principles. 
Re: Different first page header? Monica Davis 3/17/13 7:38 PM
me too!
Re: Different first page header? winegoddess 3/20/13 11:50 AM
Me too please ! :)
Re: Different first page header? josiahsj 3/20/13 9:11 PM
I am currently a doc student. Got a Chromebook for Christmas. Trying to use Google drive and the Chromebook for all my papers and projects. Can't figure out how to do APA style papers so I have to go back to MS word. So much for being able to use the Chromebook as my sole computer. 
Re: Different first page header? Gill 3/21/13 10:21 AM
Sorry to hear that (though nice to have got a CB for Christmas!). Apart from the known first-page header problem (the workaround is to have a separate doc for the first page - but I agree that Google should fix this) - what APA formatting can you not do?
Re: Different first page header? Europax 3/21/13 11:39 AM
The 'different document for page 1' workaround is more than clunky. 
I use my google docs for proposals, estimates. Most of the time we'll get them on a single page, but for the more complex two page documents, you can imagine how irritating it is to have to a) put up with a full letterhead on page two, or b) create a follow on document. SIGH. 

If the people who are actually posting in this forum are 2% of the total who are affected by the problem, using the percentage of people who will actually act on a marketing offer when they receive a piece of direct mail, then there are 7,500 people swearing under their breath at Google. Too small a number for them to be bothered with?
Re: Different first page header? josiahsj 3/21/13 12:43 PM
Two separate docs won't work because I submit my papers electronically. Seems like you would manually have to go put the page numbers in the header. The other thing I cant figure out is the hanging indent for the references page
Re: Different first page header? Gill 3/21/13 3:12 PM
Hanging indents can be managed by dragging the margin marker and first line marker on the ruler.

But I entirely agree about the first page problem and electronically submitting.
Re: Different first page header? Gater3213 3/21/13 6:12 PM
I agree. It would be nice not to have to copy and paste my document into word to correctly format it for my teachers. Please do this!
Re: Different first page header? MelO7 3/22/13 1:42 PM
I just tried to post a reply and it said "This message had bee deleted."  Is Google getting mad?  I love Google Drive, but I really need the 'Different first page' option for Header/Footers.  Please help Google!
Re: Different first page header? Stacey Martine 3/23/13 9:14 AM
Extremely important function especially for the college market, as I am a college student and now I'm going to have to download my gdoc as a docx and email it to myself to save it to a computer with windows and then edit the header to fit my professors requirements.
It seems foolish for Google to want their consumers to be inconvenienced and be dependent on their competitors programs for such a simple task. 
I would suggest Google act fast as first impressions are crucial!
Re: Different first page header? Ray 3/23/13 4:25 PM
There is a simple way to work around this. Create a title page as a separate document, and include the running head. On the original document, put the desired head for the rest of the document. If you're also concerned about page numbers not starting on page 2, you can insert a dummy page on the original document. When you go to print you can select the range of pages you wish to print, and exclude page 1. It's an annoying process that could easily be avoided by adding this feature, but will give you the desired results. Personally, I'll do anything to avoid having to use Word...
Re: Different first page header? Europax 3/24/13 3:51 AM
That works for documents that are to be submitted in hard copy, but not for those to be delivered electronically, or shared with team members and clients.

Re: Different first page header? Tina Molloy 3/24/13 3:33 PM
I support this change. I am collaborating in my university class, we are supposed to create documents together, yet the inability to change the first page from the rest of the headers makes it impossible to have our final papers be google doc, we have to change it back to Word to submit the work. Very frustrating. How many people have to support the need for this before it actually is implemented? 
Re: Different first page header? Gill 3/25/13 5:40 AM
I agree, and this request is well known to the Google Guides.
Re: Different first page header? Allen Yates 3/27/13 4:05 AM
This seems like such a simple fix. Please add different first page headers, Google. I want to leave MS Word behind for good. 
Re: Different first page header? Nicholas Fu 3/27/13 12:04 PM
Same for me. Not just the first page, bur it would be helpful to make every page different. I use google docs for educational/academic purposes (Our elementary school got a tech grant and so now everybody in our class has a samsung chromebook 550).
Re: Different first page header? Mark Warburton 3/28/13 11:35 PM
This seems like one of the most basic functions required in an academic or business environment. Hell, even grandma wants her own letterhead when writing correspondence. It truly is bizarre that Google with all of its resources cannot understand that this is one of the first features to introduce into Google Docs, not one of the last. If they truly want business conversion and academic conversion to Docs, this is an absolute must.
Re: Different first page header? Gill 3/29/13 2:15 PM
I agree - I and many others have been banging our heads against a brick wall on this one for months now.
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Re: Different first page header? Olivier Gaston 3/31/13 3:36 PM
I just needed this feature so I downloaded a document as DOCX and opened it in Word to change the the header to a different one on the first page. Then, I uploaded it back to Drive and it keeps the formatting.

This tells me that its only missing the functionality to create the different first page header.

Even more insulting, IMO.

Re: Different first page header? Steve Chester 4/7/13 10:03 AM
Just want to voice my opinion on how necessary this feature is.  As a university student most reports must be submitted in hard copy form. This makes the links useless and page numbers necessary. I just hope this feature is added soon and they use MS Word as a template.
Re: Different first page header? mamamamia 4/7/13 10:52 AM

     As a middle school student, I would love to have this characteristic because I consider it would be very helpful and would have a large outcome in my production (work) and grade, as my educators see it to have MLA formatting. The result and effect on my work it would have would be improve.

  
Re: Different first page header? Elizabeth Singh 4/17/13 3:02 AM
Please add this feature

It is too late for my current project, but I left Word For this and now I wonder if it was a mistake?
Re: Different first page header? Ariel Weher 4/17/13 4:15 PM
We'd like to have this feature available soon
Re: Different first page header? Riyaz_Qtr 4/28/13 11:29 AM
+1 vote.
Re: Different first page header? Corey Northcutt 5/10/13 9:09 AM
+1 more.  Might have to finally abandon Google Apps because of this.  
Re: Different first page header? Sarah Dianese 5/12/13 5:01 PM
AGREED.
Re: Different first page header? Julian Coronado 5/14/13 8:44 PM
It's 2013! I don't think this feature is available yet!
Re: Different first page header? Gill 5/15/13 5:07 AM
No it isn't - but be assured that the Google Guides are fully aware of the need for it.
Re: Different first page header? Clara Cho 5/22/13 4:15 PM
Yes, I'm writing a term paper and it won't let me remove the page number off of just two certain pages (not the first one, though, but the sixth and the seventh).
 
This isn't that hard to do, Google Docs. Please implement this into the system.
Re: Different first page header? Gill 5/24/13 3:49 AM
Google do seem to have an extraordinary blind spot on this one - we'll just have to keep our fingers crossed.
Re: Different first page header? PJ T 6/3/13 2:42 PM
Yes, much needed!! I love google docs and want to keep using it.

Re: Different first page header? Praveen CA 6/5/13 1:00 AM
very true, I also strongly support the need for different header footer in pages

Re: Different first page header? MikeBuckleyHPS 6/9/13 7:29 PM
This is WP 101.  Come on Google  Let's get this DONE!  
Re: Different first page header? seleme 6/11/13 12:26 AM
we need this feature. I don't want to create multiple documents and assemble them outside.
Re: Different first page header? kylster 6/13/13 9:00 AM
 Where is this "Me To" feature?

Re: Different first page header? Ampelio Mejia 6/13/13 9:52 AM
at least allow me to get rid of the first page header so that the title can replace it, pleeeeease? tonight??
Re: Different first page header? JackM6 6/15/13 7:24 AM
It is not "elegant" to ignore functionality.  As an attorney, I can't use letterhead which repeats on every page.  I need the first page to look different from all of the other pages, and Docs is not a viable alternative for me until I can get this functionality.
Re: Different first page header? Becca Lee Jensen Ogden 6/15/13 10:26 AM
Me, too.
Re: Different first page header? Дмитрий Рогов 6/18/13 4:57 AM
this SHOULD be.
Re: Different first page header? katamarisavedmylife 6/19/13 6:20 PM
me, too
Re: Different first page header? frapontillo 6/20/13 2:38 AM
Is this really not yet implemented? Come on, this is a basic feature, we NEED section breaking in order to achieve multiple page counts and headings!
Re: Different first page header? agaji 6/20/13 11:08 AM
I don't want to revert back to Word. Please Google, add that functionality.
Re: Different first page header? Drew Cartee 6/22/13 8:12 PM
This is equally important and easy. Google should throw students a bone and implement this feature.
Re: Different first page header? Nathanial Baumsteiger 6/24/13 3:53 PM
+1 As a Google Apps Reseller, this is becoming an increasingly requested feature.
Re: Different first page header? Travis Campbell 6/24/13 7:53 PM
interested in a chromebook but am hesitant because google docs is missing key formatting options required by students. 
Re: Different first page header? Aeson 6/25/13 11:13 AM
Seriously can't understand how Google hasn't implemented this incredibly basic feature yet. Should take you guys no more than a day or two to implement such a simple thing. Why doesn't docs get any love these days? Get off your asses and give us what we NEED to make this a viable solution for professionals and students. Notice I say need not want, because this is a requirement not a nice bonus feature. I have to create my cover pages as separate documents all the time and its a complete pain to work with!
Re: Different first page header? zinkyre 7/7/13 3:25 PM
Here we are two years later and still nothing... I use it for everything but professional papers. It's so annoying to switch to MS Word just to add that one thing.
Re: Different first page header? jenielgrace 7/7/13 10:03 PM
I'm surprised this isn't a feature and I agree that it is needed.
Re: Different first page header? someonetookmyhandle 7/9/13 10:23 AM
Almost 2 years since the OP. You guys aren't even listening, are you? :/
Re: Different first page header? Gill 7/10/13 5:23 AM
Well, we are, but it doesn't seem to have made it through to the engineers :-(
Different first page header? MachewTexas 7/10/13 5:36 PM
Just switched to Office 365. Manned up and paid the $99. Wow, it's worth it.
Re: Different first page header? GreatwoodVT 7/10/13 6:12 PM
Gill

That is to bad.  As an Engineer I am rather disappointed in that statement. It is evident that SOMEONE is not listening.  They are not directing the engineers to do this. or to fix other things.  I manage multi-million dollar alternative energy projects.  All the details have to be tracked, not just the flashy stuff. All the little things have to be done or the Wind Turbines fall down!!!

This is Classic Google:  Google come up with innovative tools and applications... send them to the market, improve them to a point and then everyone looses interest in the maintenance and continues spinning their brain cells around the next whiz - bang.  The result the small stuff gets ignored. And the whiz bang means nothing if the small stuff doesnt get fixed, then you loose users, who go back to Microsoft being they are the only other game in town.  

Eventually Google terminates the application because no one uses it. The reason people have lost interest: GOOGLE DIDNT PAY ATTENTION TO THE DETAILS.

Someone better wake up.  This is getting boring.  Google has a large following.  Many of the younger set have turned to Google.  Companies (like BOTH of mine) are trying to use these apps... and Google is doing NOTHING to fix the small things that will make us all very happy. 

Does anyone have an idea of what to do to wake Google up?  


Re: Different first page header? Gill 7/11/13 5:11 AM
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply it was in any way the engineers' fault. You are of course right  when you say "It is evident that SOMEONE is not listening.  They are not directing the engineers to do this. or to fix other things."

I am also frustrated at this. I know it has been escalated to Google (many times) but we TCs are just users like the rest of you at the end of the day.

Different first page header? zinkyre 7/11/13 5:21 AM
I have Office 365 and while it's nice... It's not the same as my Google drive. All of my devices work seamlessly with Drive (like my chromebook) with a speed and functionality that is lacking in 365. So go suck Microsoft's teat if you want. What the Goog should really do is charge us for the docs and put a dedicated team on improving it based on customer feedback.
Re: Different first page header? Gary Cheeseman 7/12/13 2:19 AM
Google acquired Writely back in 2005, Quickoffice in 2012, and I dare say that there are lots more companies that have been acquired by Google for "an even more seamless, intuitive and integrated experience".  Maybe leaving comments over at http://googleblog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/google-quickoffice-get-more-done.html may help a bit, who knows?

I like Google, but unless they WAKE UP to fixing the small details they will loose users.  I recently wanted to recommend the purchase of 80 Chromebooks for a community training project I am involved with, and it was the inability to use different page headers that scuppered this!

This is not doing Googles reputation any good! PLEASE LISTEN TO US USERS!


Re: Different first page header? Bryan Harris 7/20/13 6:47 AM
Yes. This is essential.  I'm in a masters program at a University in Ohio.  Although Google is the university email provider, and I love to use Google Docs to keep everything in the same platform, I cannot use it for my papers.  The masters program requires us to use APA 6 format for all papers.  For that format, the first page header must be different than that remaining headers.  So I simply cannot use Google Docs for my school work.
Re: Different first page header? Andrew J Sinclair 7/20/13 8:20 PM
Me too!
Re: Different first page header? Nakia Gipson 7/21/13 12:59 PM
WE NEED A Different first page header? WE NEED A Different first page header? WE NEED A Different first page header? WE NEED A Different first page header? WE NEED A Different first page header?
Re: Different first page header? vasoxfan 7/23/13 6:56 AM
Considering how hard many third party companies are pushing Google Apps for Education this is a feature which should already be there. Different first page and the ability to switch numbering in a header are essential features. We need to put pressure on the third party companies who are selling support for Google Apps Edu to make this happen.
Re: Different first page header? Gregory Johnson 7/23/13 7:55 AM
Vasoxfan: Excellent Idea.  Please post any contract info you have for the third parties.  Be glad to contact them.
Re: Different first page header? kamal haddad 7/23/13 4:13 PM
Come Google where is this? Damnit when will you take Drive seriously.
Re: Different first page header? kamal haddad 7/23/13 4:14 PM
Where is this Google. 10 pages of requests and still nothing? Shame.
Re: Different first page header? gbjfrtswym 7/24/13 4:33 PM
The Google drive help page took me here when I searched for header.  Seriously Google, you can't fix it when your own help links to this???
Re: Different first page header? Beckie Triano 7/29/13 7:41 PM
Yes. This is a serious problem. You would think that Google would look into this. They want people to use this. I wish they would fix it anyways.. Please Google fix it. I would appreciate it. I am sure other people would greatly appreciate that as well.

Re: Different first page header? Christopher McKinney 8/1/13 3:25 PM
This is absolutely TERRIBLE that this basic basic feature is not yet implemented.  How are you supposed to create a digital letterhead if you can use the header.  Who ever heard of having a header on page 1 of virtually any document.  This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.  Surely someone at google actually writes documents.  Surely.


Re: Different first page header? John Mulholland 8/7/13 5:42 AM
Work around is to create a throw away first page and substitute a separate document for the first page - for now. Pretty essential feature. Hard to imagine creating a header function without this aspect.
Re: Different first page header? Bryan Harris 8/7/13 6:22 PM
You may be on to something.  How about a nice story in the news about the paper waste that Google Docs is creating?  Printing an "extra" first page for every document that requires a different first page header?  How environmentally unfriendly is that?  Google has an initiative to be a green company.  Yet they are doing that at the expense of their users.  Hmmmm....     ..and, come to think of it....  this totally negates the ability to submit a Google document electronically.  It must be printed for this to work, wasting even more paper.
Re: Different first page header? Gill 8/8/13 7:44 AM
I think the environmentalists would say you shouldn't be printing at all - in which case your point about "this totally negates the ability to submit a Google document electronically" hits the nail on the head.
Re: Different first page header? Europax 8/8/13 8:15 AM
Once again today, I have abandoned Google Docs preferring to edit and reformat a multi-page contract using Adobe InDesign.  I guess Google just see it as a file conversion program with cloud storage, not really up to word processing. I guess I'm learning to see it that way too.
Disillusioned.
Re: Different first page header? r/ 8/11/13 5:37 PM
The APA format requires "Running head: title" on the first page and then just title on subsequent pages. If we could at least start the header  on page 2 this would all work.

Why doesn't Google listen?  Why don't they ever respond?  The only way to get a response is to go there and interview...
Re: Different first page header? BRossow 8/12/13 2:11 PM
Precisely what I was going to say. I teach a writing-intensive course at a state university and APA format is required for two major papers. While I would love to encourage students to write and submit their papers through Google Docs, it's simply impossible because of this limitation. I refuse to teach my students that nonstandard formatting is acceptable because of a technical limitation in Google Docs, so we're stuck with Microsoft Word.
Re: Different first page header? JackM6 8/12/13 2:30 PM
Since Google is ignoring this issue and since I have no intention of "subscribing" to the Microsoft word processor that I will have to renew every year, I recently tried OpenOffice.  The last time I tried it many years ago, I was not impressed.  Now, however, it seems to provide all that I need in terms of legal formatting. Since this program is free, it should be easily accessible to students and teachers alike.
Re: Different first page header? Gregory Johnson 8/12/13 2:38 PM
JackM6, et al.... while I am as equality frustrated with Google on this topic as with the ability to do simple table editing, after a number of years and 10 pages of comments: I DO NOT THINK GOOGLE IS LISTENING.

I think this chat group can talk all they want, and we certainly have.  But If we want Google to Listen, we had better start looking for another venue.  

One commenter suggested writing articles to tech Journals... while that might work, I suggest Social media is the faster.  

Is there a Google Docs Facebook page? Maybe we should start one.  Bet we can get  a lot of attention fast.

Thoughts?

Re: Different first page header? JoyfulC 8/13/13 10:02 AM
There's also LibreOffice which is free. www.LibreOffice.org

Re: Different first page header? Alex Bryant 8/14/13 4:28 PM
Me, too
Re: Different first page header? Lucas Kramp 8/14/13 6:29 PM
Being in AP English classes, I strongly agree with this request (both because I need to MLA format every essay I make and that Google Docs is a much easier way to access my works). This would be a wonderful and simple add-on, Google workers. I know, there's enough work as it is, but this could help me completely abolish Microsoft Office from my common use (since my handwriting is ironically illegible). Please create this as soon as possible.
Re: Different first page header? Brittany Forshee 8/15/13 6:51 AM
I agree, I am currently trying to create my syllabus for classes this year and don't want to have the School logo and address on the top of every page as it takes up a lot of space. It would be beneficial to have this feature for educational and professional uses
Re: Different first page header? The Pick Man 8/16/13 2:50 PM
Me too!
Re: Different first page header? elcapitansam 8/24/13 3:51 PM
+1
Re: Different first page header? JackMerde 8/26/13 1:06 PM
I agree that the ability to have a different header on the first page of a document is a much needed, often used, and essential function that should be incorporated, as well as different footers.  Odd/even pages certainly makes sense as an option as well.
Re: Different first page header? leeep 8/27/13 1:48 PM
2 years later and this feature is still in discussion?  Really Google?  I honestly wonder sometimes how seriously they take these products when there are free/open-source projects such as OpenOffice that provide these basic features...
Re: Different first page header? Alexandra Ahn 8/28/13 9:32 AM
I'm just looking for this functionality as a K-12 teacher lesson planning. I see that two years after this request has been made, it still hasn't been fulfilled. Please, Google, get this feature working!
Re: Different first page header? Boney Mathews 8/30/13 11:52 PM
echo this request, please implement this!
Re: Different first page header? Collin Kindred 8/31/13 11:15 PM
As an academic writer, this would be a godsend.
Re: Different first page header? sevan melkonian 9/2/13 9:33 PM
Yesssss. This is needed! I'm tired of handwriting the headings onto my papers.....
Re: Different first page header? Lucas Kramp 9/3/13 3:59 AM
Really, what I need is to have different headers for each page (Kramp1, Kramp2...) for numbering purposes. It's surprising to me how it has almost been two years since this thread was created and google has not done a thing. I understand they're busy and all (running a multi-billion dollar search engine, along with a whole OS format [Android], but they could at least find the time to add something as simple as this.
Re: Different first page header? The Pick Man 9/3/13 6:23 AM
I have come to the conclusion that Google is just not interested in listening to the views of it's users, unless there's some money in it of course. I have therefore decided to stop using Google docs.

It is my opinion that the spreadsheet is also far less than adequate. I have ditched my use of that as well.

Goodbye Google.
Re: Different first page header? Bryan Harris 9/3/13 6:48 AM
As others have mentioned, I have moved all of my documents out of Google Docs.  It simply is not adequate for even the simplest APA, and similar, formatting.  I'm seeing others doing the same.  And it's not just "individual" users.  A local school district in my area that jumped on the Google Apps bandwagon is moving away from Apps to a free office suite from KingSoft.


As the manager of an IT Department, I was reviewing Google Apps for my library system, but have decided against it for reasons such as this.  I need to provide WORKABLE solutions to both staff and patrons.  Google Apps just doesn't do it, and I have no confidence that it ever will.  I don't know what Google is doing, but you can be sure that they have a plan.  I don't see any development happening, so that would lead to only one conclusion.
Re: Different first page header? Europax 9/3/13 7:54 AM
Sadly, KingSoft is neither a cloud based application nor available for Mac platforms?
Re: Different first page header? Aaron98990 9/5/13 8:17 PM
Problem: for my English Class we were suppose to have no header on the first page

Solution:
I printed all my pages except the first which can be done through your print settings with the headers on the top.
After that I took out the header and only printed the first page. And Done!

Pages still come out in order! 
Re: Different first page header? Gregory Johnson 9/6/13 3:13 AM
I was able to get a small reaction out of Google. 

I went to their tech support page for the Drive and "reported a problem".  I described the lack  of headers etc said it was a critical issue that affected more than 50 users.

I received a call and an email from them. Of course they are looking into it. 

While this discussion group is a nice, polite, calm, considerate way to discuss this issue and we all have been for years, I suggest that nice, polite, calm considerate discussions rarely if ever change the world. 

Please go to your ADMIN Page of your google apps account, and file a complaint.  While some may not be able to because it takes the ADMIN PIN, those who have their own Google APP accounts, owners of small businesses like me certainly can... on a weekly basis. 

This might wake up the Big Google.

Good luck. 
Re: Different first page header? JoyfulC 9/6/13 10:01 AM
Solution:
I printed all my pages except the first which can be done through your print settings with the headers on the top.
After that I took out the header and only printed the first page. And Done!

How did that work out for your page numbering? If Google Drive is going to be a real player, we need a solution, not a work-around. It's disturbing that they'd let a thing like this stand in the way of a revolution from traditional to cloud based productivity.

Re: Different first page header? josiahsj 9/6/13 11:18 AM
What about those of us that must submit all of our papers electronically on blackboard?
Re: Different first page header? Lucas Kramp 9/6/13 3:55 PM
Worst case scenario, just use Open Office. It's much easier to navigate, but you'll need to format it differently for access with other programs.
Re: Different first page header? Denis Bernicky 9/11/13 2:15 PM
Ditto - definitely needed if you are submitting to publishing houses as well.
Re: Different first page header? Oliver Dagher 9/16/13 11:33 PM
Please do this, neeed it badly
Re: Different first page header? Jenna W 9/21/13 8:39 AM
Well, Microsoft Word no longer works on my computer, and I don't want to spend $100 on software that is so basic and necessary for a computer.  It should come automatically.  But I was going to use Google Docs to write my papers, but this header/ footer thing makes it so difficult.  You have to jump through hoops like creating a new document just for your first page of the paper.  So annoying!  It would be really nice just to have the option for those of us who need it.  Or else, we might be switching to using other free programs like Apple's new Pages (beta).  I'd much rather stick with Google, but not if I just can't use the program.
Re: Different first page header? Torstrum 9/21/13 1:11 PM
It is extremely common in academic and professional writing to need to have different headers and/or footers for the first page and the rest of the document and/or for odd and even pages. (For example, it is terrible form to put a page number on the first page in any style.)  Second. we're not all in 6th grade here google
Re: Different first page header? JoyfulC 9/21/13 2:08 PM
Perhaps this is a more complicated problem than we realize. Perhaps, in order to implement this, they need to radically redesign docs and perhaps they don't have the expertise dedicated to do it. 

I fear we may have to simply live with it, and let's not forget: it's free. You get what you pay for. I am looking at a Chromebook for my husband because he never does anything very complicated. But myself, I will stick with LibreOffice, OpenOffice or my old Microsoft Office 2000 for anything but the simplest documents. 
Re: Different first page header? Gregory Johnson 9/21/13 7:20 PM
I had a good conversation with Google this last week.  

I emailed tech support using my Google App PIN number... told them this was an absolute critical feature. When the tech support person called me back... he said he would put in a feature request... BLAH BLAH BLAH.

When I received the email asking me to evaluate the quality of the service... gave them no marks at all. 

Received not one but THREE calls from their tech support people. It was elevated to the "Manager". 

He seemed to finally get it. Said that he would not only add his comments to the request for this feature, but would also talk directly to their "Special Features" group to see what it would take to get this done. 

After our conversations... he acknowledged the importance of this feature and how it would help Google be more accepted in the corporate, education and publishing world. 

Maybe, just maybe we got through to them.  

I urge all members who have the paid Google App... to use your PIN, file a tech support request and keep hammering on them how important this is. 


Re: Different first page header? Gregory Cumming 9/22/13 3:53 AM
me too
Re: Different first page header? Paul B Walsh 9/22/13 4:16 PM
Just started getting into spreadsheets and docs on the Drive platform as I want to scrap using Office and one of the first things I have tried to do in a document is Put my logo at the top of the front page.  Very simple however it insists it goes over every page which is not what a header in this case needs to do.

Google please sort this as I will have to go back to using word otherwise.  Thanks.
Re: Different first page header? Esther McCartney 9/25/13 7:23 AM
I agree!
Re: Different first page header? Keely Wilson 9/27/13 2:42 PM
I am writing a college essay as we speak and I am trying to google how and i have had no luck thus far!

Re: Different first page header? Jarod Hm 9/29/13 4:12 PM
This feature is need to make this useful as a professional or academic tool. If you want people to use it for more than basic note-taking and storage, we need features like this. 
Re: Different first page header? Kishan Lnu 9/30/13 1:24 AM
yes please we need this option URGENT :) 
come on google ! 
Re: Different first page header? K.R. Davidson 9/30/13 9:33 AM
Would love to see this feature added.
Re: Different first page header? hvietti 9/30/13 7:45 PM
I am currently working on a document which requires that I begin the first page on Chapter 1.  I love the idea that I can share this with others.  I may have to put the final document in Microsoft Word.  I am not happy.
Re: Different first page header? scarolan 10/4/13 1:25 PM
Me too!
Re: Different first page header? Rebecca D Martin 10/5/13 8:59 AM
me too
Re: Different first page header? JJess S 10/6/13 8:17 AM
This is required for APA formatting.  Please implement this feature!
Re: Different first page header? nashife 10/6/13 8:08 PM
+1 on this feature request from me.

The only alternatives currently are things like creating a separate document for the first page of a paper, which is all kinds of troublesome, or to export a document into a different word processor and finish editing the headings there.

Please include this feature. It is necessary for academic papers both for students and for professionals. 
Re: Different first page header? Michaela35 10/10/13 4:48 PM
I need APA format and that means after page one the words "Running Head" don't appear and it counts 1, 2, 
Re: Different first page header? Jesper Lundby Rasmussen 10/11/13 2:04 AM
Done !
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Re: Different first page header? Europax 10/11/13 8:13 AM
Done? What is done? Is the issue fixed? More info please!

Re: Different first page header? Jesper Lundby Rasmussen 10/11/13 11:33 PM
Unfortunate not done, like problem solved...more like like done, I've used my Pin from my Google App Enterprise for filing a complaint.

BTW...my complaint has been elevated to manager-level !

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Re: Different first page header? Gregory Johnson 10/12/13 4:12 AM
Jesper... Good for you.

I did this a few weeks ago.

The more people in this discussion group does this the more attention this issue will get. 

Google does not appear to follow this discussion group.  Or they think that it is ONLY these people that care... and there are not many of us.

Therefore: EVERYONE in this discussion group should file a complaint... do it once a month.  They will rapidly get the hint!!!


Re: Different first page header? edgar figueroa 10/14/13 12:27 AM
yea i dont see this mee too button
Re: Different first page header? Julian Drake 10/14/13 11:10 AM
Me too!
Re: Different first page header? Kyle Harris 10/15/13 10:32 AM
THANKS GOOGLE!  I lost points because I couldn't figure out how to use different headers for the page numbers for my essay!!!  It's the easiest thing, how could you not have it?  When you do change a header, all the other ones become like the one you just changed!!!  WTF
Re: Different first page header? Wesley Baker 10/15/13 12:10 PM
me too, pretty please!
Re: Different first page header? bartbr 10/15/13 12:15 PM
2 years ago?!? Where is the feature Google?!? Microsoft done a office on-line and you?


Re: Different first page header? Christopher McKinney 10/15/13 12:24 PM
I gave up.  Using combination of services now including Apple Pages in iCloud.  Shocking that Apple is putting out a better web-based word processor whan Google.  
Re: Different first page header? Leslie Maryann Neal 10/15/13 2:53 PM
Yes!! Please!!
Re: Different first page header? tarekahf 10/19/13 12:29 PM
This is absolutely a required feature.

Tarek.
Re: Different first page header? Gregory Johnson 10/19/13 12:57 PM
I just sent a note to the "Manager" who had reviewed my request.  This is the response I received.   Thanks for NOT MUCH Google



Thanks for you message and the additional information.

As you have discussed with my colleague Sean, we have filed the feature request for you.

While I certainly understand your interest in staying updated on this feature, please note thatGoogle handles feature requests on a rolling basis. Although the appropriate team is aware of this request, it's not possible for us to provide updates for each individual customer on the status of their request, nor guarantee its implementation. I recommend you check out the Google Apps Blog at http://googleappsupdates.blogspot.com/ for updates (you can sign up for email notifications on new features), or reference the Help Forum to follow updated reports among users.

If you have further questions please feel free to contact Google Enterprise Support again and we'll be happy to assist you further.

Sincerely

Michael
Enterprise Support
Re: Different first page header? Jennifer Wissner 10/20/13 11:32 AM
I completely agree, I would like to use Google docs on a regular basis, but the majority of my papers require that I use APA format which includes the different first page header. I would only use Google docs as an alternative to Microsoft Word Documents if this was a feature added. Please add this. 
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 10/21/13 4:59 AM
Agreed. What Google Docs does it does well enough, but there are many basic features missing - columns, for example.
Re: Different first page header? Charis Biesold 10/22/13 11:27 PM
You posted this in Sept of 2011.  It is now October of 2013 and still no sign of a fix. :(
Re: Different first page header? Jeremy Payne 10/23/13 10:58 AM
Couldn't agree more. Working on an essay right now and I'm having to convert to Word to do the headers, then convert it back, then print it.
Re: Different first page header? Maya Pirschel 10/23/13 6:07 PM
PLEASE! I have to do this for every paper I write for school and I end up having to go through a long process to get it on there. 
I would be so happy if this was fixed!
Re: Different first page header? juliya smith 10/24/13 8:15 AM
this is my only option for using documents -- please google update this somehow so i can successfully get all points for APA
Re: Different first page header? Matthew Rothmann 10/27/13 11:46 AM
Please add the first page functionality and update this post when it's done.
Re: Different first page header? gakyi 10/27/13 2:14 PM
do you think anyone at Google is reading this?  do they even care?
Re: Different first page header? The Pick Man 10/28/13 2:24 AM
@gakyi

Yes. No.
Re: Different first page header? asup759 10/30/13 6:11 AM
This is important not only for APA formatting, but also MLA, as for essays there needs to be a heading with the last name of the essay author and the page number. That is just so simple. Please, Google, we need this. My school has Chromebooks as their laptops and it would be the most helpful thing in the world so I don't have to go home, download the document, and change it in OpenOffice.
Re: Different first page header? bartbr 10/30/13 6:38 AM
Only "226 authors" and 316 posts, in the world! Googlers will not see it. :(
Re: Different first page header? Albert Arno 10/30/13 7:17 AM
Yes, at least somebody from google should say why it's not developed, or timings...

Albert
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Re: Different first page header? nashife 10/30/13 3:28 PM
> As a temporary fix, try making the headers you don't need the color the paper is, so they don't show up.

Sorry, but this won't work. Any changes you make to one header is populated across all headers on all pages.

I suppose you can always use white-out on the printed pages though. Hah!
Re: Different first page header? Trishla Wooten 10/31/13 5:15 PM
WOW! It's been over 2 years now and this is still an issue! I agree that this is a very necessary feature as one who is entering the nursing field in which APA style is used. It's lame to have to create a title page document and a separate text document so that I can get the different headers I need! (And that's only if I'm printing...if I'm emailing the darn thing, I have to use a different computer that has Word on it!) C'mon, Google! Y'all can do better!!
Re: Different first page header? Europax 11/1/13 12:54 PM
I complained when I received my notification of renewal of subscription, here is the reply they sent:

"Thank you for contacting Google Enterprise Support. I understand you are concerned about the feature to have a 'Different first page header' in Google Docs. I will be glad to provide you with more information about it.

I have reviewed your concern and I can see that this product limitation is already being addressed by the appropriate team. I understand this is important for you, therefore I have submitted a request on your behalf about this option to be added.

While I certainly understand your interest in staying updated on this feature, please note that Google handles feature requests on a rolling basis. Although the appropriate team is aware of this request, we are unable to provide updates for each individual customer on the status of their request, nor guarantee its implementation. I recommend you check out the Google Apps Blog at http://googleappsupdates.blogspot.com/ for updates (you can sign up for email notifications on new features), or reference the Help Forum to follow updated reports among users.

I will leave this case open waiting for your response. If you have further questions please feel free to contact us back. It is always a pleasure assisting you."
Re: Different first page header? The Pick Man 11/1/13 2:57 PM
In other words, "We're too big to bother with you; get lost!"
Re: Different first page header? Meaghan Lessard 11/4/13 2:29 PM
The only way I have found to utilize a different 1st page header than the rest of the pages is to have a completely separate document that is exclusive for my title page (writing research paper using APA format requires a different header for the first page). The problem I am running into now is that I have a separate document for the bulk of my paper, and now I need this page to start on page 2....but no way no how! Why is this so hard! I am a poor college student who opted not to purchase Word or Pages for my computer. I use Google Docs and Drive for all of my assignments, and I have never had any complaints besides this formatting snafu. Please fix it Google! We know you're capable! 
Re: Different first page header? Europax 11/8/13 4:09 PM
Further response from Google reference this matter: "We would like to tell you that we really appreciate your feedback, however, if we are unable to provide you with an estimated time frame for this feature to be developed, it is because Drive is a large product and different requests come every day, therefore, prioritizing our requests is necessary to have an order and satisfy all our customer's needs.
This case will be closed. If you have any further doubts or questions regarding Google Apps, do not hesitate to contact us back. It is always a pleasure assisting you.
Sincerely,
[name deleted]
Google Enterprise Support
Re: Different first page header? The Pick Man 11/9/13 12:36 AM
"... Drive is a large product ..." Yes, and Google is a large organisation.

It's a brush-off.
Re: Different first page header? Jesper Lundby Rasmussen 11/9/13 5:46 AM
Nuff said ... get a move on Google "




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Re: Different first page header? Hutch Carpenter 11/11/13 10:07 AM
My hack here: insert a drawing of an all-white block over the header/footer of the first page. I haven't printed it out. But on screen it does the job.
Re: Different first page header? Mackenzie Brumm 11/12/13 10:56 AM
At first I was having this problem also, but then I figured it out. Instead of using a header, use a page number. To do is, go your document, then go to insert, then page number and then select wether you want it at the bottom or top of the page. From there it should automatically add the numbers and you can change the font or add on , etc. In general it gives the same exact effect, but it is a lot easier to do. Hope this helps everyone who was having problems. 
Re: Different first page header? Peter Birlem 11/13/13 9:35 AM
The ability to have different headers (or to turn of the headers/footers on certain pages) is imperative to the success of this app.  Please listen to your customers and fix this issue.  
Re: Different first page header? Benjamin Phillips 11/14/13 5:43 PM
This absolutely needs to be added- MLA format requires that the first page doesn't have a header or page number. I'm switching back to word occasionally because of this major problem.
Re: Different first page header? Gill 11/15/13 4:47 PM
We know - but it seems to be a real blind spot for Google. Strange.
Re: Different first page header? Haley Goldenberg 11/15/13 6:22 PM
I have a serious problem- for my science project, we can not have a header on first page, and the numbering must start on the fourth page. Unless goggle fixes this, I will seriously fail my science project and I have worked so hard on it. I know, I know- first world issues. Well, This matters to me (and my grade). If this isn't fixed soon, google just isn't going to work for me and a lot of other people, based on the 14 pages of hate mail google is getting right now.
Re: Different first page header? Tasha .S 11/17/13 5:24 PM
I agree! this should be implemented, I spent thirty minutes trying to figure this out! 
Re: Different first page header? zinkyre 11/18/13 4:40 AM
For the students out there, the Microsoft Word Web App has this functionality now as seen above. "But zinkyre, we don't have the money for that!" Fear not, www.dreamspark.com gives you a lot of tools for free including skydrive which gives you the Word App. I would recommend signing up because they have a lot of neat stuff.
Re: Different first page header? Jonathan Alfonso 11/18/13 6:16 AM
It's now almost 2014 and we still do not have this feature. I need this for my English 3 Honors class, but it looks like I'm stuck.
Re: Different first page header? nashife 11/18/13 7:23 AM
Sorry for a potentially duplicate reply. seems my last one didn't actually get sent to the forum thread.

I am not sure (correct me if I'm wrong) but the software available in dreamspark depends on what school (and department) you're enrolled in.

I just checked it out, and it seems I only have access to developer tools. No word processing web apps or skydrive seems to be available to me (I see no mention of it anywhere in the student software catalog once I'm logged in and verified)). 

zinkyre, (or anyone) do you have steps for students to follow? I am interested in using this when I need a different first page header until Google Docs adds this feature.
Re: Different first page header? natecarrier 11/18/13 8:33 PM
I know you posted this a while ago, but you ought to check out LucidPress (lucidpress.com). It's essentially a web-based collaborative InDesign. Same company as LucidChart (lucidchart.com), a Visio alternative.
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Re: Different first page header? JPCantalino 11/19/13 6:51 PM
This needs to be done. I don't own a copy of MS Word. I hate it. I keep losing points on my papers because I have to deal with the header inserting a page number on the first page.
Re: Different first page header? natecarrier 11/19/13 6:59 PM
Google Docs does not intend to replace Word. Try LibreOffice or OpenOffice, they are both free / open source. Google Docs is great for collaboration, but it's a very lightweight solution to word processing.
Re: Different first page header? Gill 11/20/13 12:50 PM
Do you submit your papers electronically or printed? If the latter then you can work around it by doing two separate prints.
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Re: Different first page header? Hutch Carpenter 11/20/13 3:43 PM
Try inserting a drawing of an all-white block (assuming your paper color is white) over the header you don't want.


On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 6:51:53 PM UTC-8, JPCantalino wrote:
This needs to be done. I don't own a copy of MS Word. I hate it. I keep losing points on my papers because I have to deal with the header inserting a page number on the first page.
Re: Different first page header? Daniel Sarafan 11/20/13 4:05 PM
If that's how you interpret Google's vision with Google Docs / Google Drive, then I suggest you have a discussion with someone from the Chromebook marketing department.

Google has no excuse not to have implemented this feature, and as a huge fan of Google in most other areas, I'm very disappointed that they've yet to address this.
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Re: Different first page header? The Pick Man 11/23/13 2:34 PM
@Mikerise. How is this relevant?
Re: Different first page header? Jessica Braswell 11/25/13 8:20 AM
Me too!
Re: Different first page header? Geoffrey Westropp 11/28/13 12:41 PM
I was hoping to do my PhD with Google Docs.  I had to go back to MS Word because this feature is absent (requested over 2 years ago).

Sorry Google.  Good luck with Goggle Docs.
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Re: Different first page header? DefinitelyNotMe 12/1/13 1:32 PM
How about the ability to just fully edit the first page?

I agree with what's being said here 100%.

As a Software Engineering, creating design documents over G.Docs was an easy switch, but our graphics and design team can't even implement a title page because they lack different image options and header first page options.

Dooo it Google!
Different first page header? Lucas Kramp 12/2/13 12:29 PM
Here's a solution for if you don't want to pay the money for Office and don't want to wait for Google to even think about adding this: use Open Office. It works well, allows many different formats (headers included), and is free. It looks similar to Word 2003 (you'll notice when you see it) and it's 100% reliable. Not necessarily causal-user-friendly (you gotta look and experiment to get exactly what you need. It automatically saves as an ODF format (not Word format, in simple terms) so you need to save it to the correct format accordingly. Anyways, Open Office is the free, reliable, and simple solution to this problem.
Re: Different first page header? JoyfulC 12/2/13 12:54 PM
I agree with Mr, Kramp. For the time being, using OpenOffice or LibreOffice is the best solution. Both print to PDF for those who need to deliver documents electronically.
Re: Different first page header? Ashley Wong 12/2/13 7:00 PM
This function really needs to be added. I need to write a business letter for school, but I can't keep the header on one page without it appearing on the others
Re: Different first page header? elementarymdw 12/2/13 7:30 PM
Wow. 356 posts by 243 authors and 15 pages of that to boot. 

I've seen this too many times with product feature requests with Google. I don't think they actually read their own forums. 

I need this functionality soon.
Re: Different first page header? Sarah Burkholder 12/4/13 12:45 AM
I agree to this 100%!  I need my title page to be different then the rest of the pages for a school paper because we are using APA formatting instead of MLA! I am just praying that my teacher will understand that I wasn't able to.
Re: Different first page header? Gregory Soave 12/4/13 8:41 PM
I know, it's pretty bad.  Honestly don't think it's going to be that hard to implement. 
Re: Different first page header? Gill 12/5/13 4:16 AM
Well, so you would have thought, but it has been missing for literally years. So, either it isn't easy, or it is some kind of weird policy decision. Either way, I wish Google would tell us one way or the other - in the meantime we wait and hope. Christmas maybe?!
Re: Different first page header? Idowu 12/6/13 6:59 PM
Not ideal, but this works if you don't have more than a dozen pages in your doc. http://www.ehow.com/how_12264797_insert-header-only-first-google-docs.html

If using this hack, I would suggest adjusting your top margin to 0 so the text box can be in the header space without actually inserting a header.
Re: Different first page header? ethergear 12/6/13 8:28 PM
I am having this problem right now.
Re: Different first page header? Ryan Milani 12/8/13 10:33 AM
I too am having this same issue.  It seems to me that in 2 years since this thread was started that they would figure out this is a very needed feature.  It is problems like this that make me get frustrated with Google Docs all over again and go back to Microsoft Office.  Please add this feature Google!
Re: Different first page header? Jennifer Scutt 12/8/13 3:08 PM
Its been two years since this was posted and they still dont have this as a function? What do we have to do to get google to see that this is a problem? This feature wont keep me from using Google docs because its free and still very useful but this would make things easier when im doing an assignment. 
Re: Different first page header? jtaylor0614 12/10/13 11:27 AM
I need this feature
Re: Different first page header? Kathryn Fidler 12/10/13 4:50 PM
If this hasn't happened yet, google is going to cause a major mark down on my first APA report. Im an honors student in Chemistry and if a petty mistake like the Headers on a paper screw up my grade, I will not be happy. Its really really really needed and it CANNOT be stressed more.
Re: Different first page header? Maria Landaverde 12/18/13 9:21 AM
APA format Button
Re: Different first page header? zinkyre 12/18/13 10:15 AM
Are you saying there is a button now, or you want a simple button? Because I scoured my Drive and couldn't find anything.
Re: Different first page header? Marc Shepherd 12/18/13 1:54 PM
Yea, pretty sure he wants a simple button.
Re: Different first page header? jcroteau 12/26/13 12:58 PM
This question has been up for over two years. Are there any plans to implement this? It would be exceptionally useful, as I think a few people have mentioned.
Re: Different first page header? jcroteau 12/26/13 1:01 PM
May I suggest Microsoft Word or OpenOffice, if Google Docs does not support the features you need?
Re: Different first page header? NeilSC 1/2/14 3:53 PM
I'd like to use Google Drive for business, but I'm struggling to justify it if we can't get simple things like page numbering from page 2, different headers and footers on first page.
Google, you're going to have to be quick to keep me!
Re: Different first page header? Ross Montsinger 1/2/14 7:50 PM
Jesus. Please do this.
Re: Different first page header? The Pick Man 1/2/14 7:56 PM

@NeilSC

Ahh! The first plea of a new year. 

"Google, you're going to have to be quick" Don't hold your breath, Neil. It is clear that Google is big enough and arrogant enough to ignore hundreds of loyal customers on this subject.

Re: Different first page header? Sebastian Reuter 1/5/14 3:39 AM
me too
Re: Different first page header? Derek Birnie 1/5/14 2:29 PM
+1
Re: Different first page header? Mathieu M-Gosselin 1/10/14 6:46 AM
I too would love to have this feature, which I deem to be basic.
Re: Different first page header? MiFKap 1/10/14 12:18 PM
I just attended a webinar on going to Drive and the use of the collaboration tools of Google Docs.  The webinar presenter really emphasized the opportunity to use these applications instead of traditional Office apps.  I was pretty excited about it until I tried to do basic things as described.

1. Cannot delete Header or Footer from Title Page?
2. Table of Contents does not have page numbers?
3. Cannot effectively add a logo as a bitmap/image in the header or footer as it does not allow you to effectively place it where you want it?

The only way to get a final document that is complaint with our corporate standards is to created a draft in docs, then export it int a Word document, then create REAL headers, footers, table of contents, etc, then post it as a WORD document back up on Drive? 

Unacceptable!
If these capabilities are not supported in Docs, this application suite will not gain much adoption in our organization.
Re: Different first page header? Europax 1/11/14 11:30 AM
Hi MiFKap
I've been following this thread for two years and I know there have been other threads running on the same topic. I had the opportunity to complain to the enterprise team when I was renewing my business subscription to Drive. I kept that complaint running for as long as I could until they deemed it closed. Basically they told me that Google did not have any timetable for implementing the changes we have been asking for. 
I was amused to hear that they are still touting for business via webinars, it's amazing that they could reduce client churn much more effectively by just listening to the feedback of their existing, or perhaps by now, former clients.
Rgds
Europax.
Re: Different first page header? Boedy Bios 1/15/14 3:59 PM
I used Google Docs to write my master thesis. It was great in the beginning, but turned to be problematic once I have to deal with the formatting, which have to follow the university formatting standard.
Table of contents can be the biggest problem for me at that time >.<

At the moment, I am still using Google Docs to write my literature review chapter for my doctoral thesis. I am completely aware about what kind of problem which I am gonna face (formatting, mathematical formula, table of contents, citation, etc..), however, since I have to work with 4 supervisors, Google Docs is the best option for me.

To Google Docs developer teams:
"I believe you all are aware the feeling and the pressure working on a research and how this word processing application has a great potential to support not only business activities but also research activities. Therefore, I am hoping that there will be a real action plans to fix this great application in order to contribute more. Many people have expressed what they expected from it, and please do take it as a serious suggestion for improvement".
Re: Different first page header? Barton Jones 1/16/14 6:29 AM

Re: Different first page header? Labarum 1/16/14 8:26 AM
Should Barton's post have had some content?
Re: Different first page header? (unknown) 1/17/14 8:16 AM
+1
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Re: Different first page header? The Pick Man 1/17/14 8:52 AM
@Labarum
Yes. It should have read, "This Post Intentionally Left Blank"
Re: Different first page header? Scott Heuman 1/21/14 9:28 AM
Simple solution when turning in a physical copy of your paper: Print a different version of your first page. I know it's a half-ass work around, but it works for now. Submitting online is a different story completely. 
Re: Different first page header? David Robinson questions 1/21/14 12:02 PM
+1
Re: Different first page header? Gill 1/21/14 4:30 PM
<<Submitting online is a different story completely.>> Exactly - and who needs to print these days? Let's try and move away from dead trees - but it's really hard without this much needed feature.
Re: Different first page header? Heather McCormick 1/21/14 5:50 PM
+1 vote for a different first-page header
Re: Different first page header? (unknown) 1/27/14 1:24 PM
Come on google! we need this.
Re: Different first page header? Disappointed Dad 1/27/14 5:52 PM
I bought my daughter a Chromebook thinking it would meet her needs in 8th grade, but the lack of a first page header is going to make it very difficult for her to format her papers correctly. This is only 8th grade, people! It's not a proper word processor yet. 
Re: Different first page header? John Kerkhoff 1/29/14 1:26 AM
I'm the biggest Google fanboy in the world, but Its hard to use Google Docs when its missing this feature for APA papers.
Re: Different first page header? Pissed off Student 1/29/14 10:48 PM
How many staff members does google have, yet they can't seem to get their shit together...
Re: Different first page header? JonathanSPI 1/30/14 8:48 AM
In case you want to print the document, you could put everything you put on the first page in a different document and print the documents seperatly. 
In case of a table of contents, you can generate it in the document where you need it and then cut it. You can paste it in another document without header and page numbering. The fields will keep their value. When you want to update the TOC you repeat the procedure. 
Re: Different first page header? Simon Cedergren 1/30/14 12:00 PM
Come on. This is a very basic feature, that is really needed. Get it together Google! It would take you guys half a day...
Re: Different first page header? Victor Wolf 1/31/14 2:25 PM
Me, too
Re: Different first page header? Michaela Demesme 2/4/14 8:10 AM
As a student in college in an English class it is required of me to be able to have only the fist page header and have numbering start on the second page.Google really needs to fix this pronto. I've been happy with using my Chromebook 11 for my essays but its annoying having to download my essay on a flash drive and transfer it to my hp laptop just to form headers and page numbers to my professors expectations. Since this has been an ongoing thread for two years I'm just going to assume that Google cares nothing about their customers.
Re: Different first page header? Kassidy Christianson 2/5/14 1:07 PM
I am having this issue right now. It's super frustrating. 
Re: Different first page header? Jimmie Holland 2/5/14 6:34 PM
This is funny.  I've just read years of comments and still not available.  I'm not sure why, hopefully Google moves swiftly.  As the pendulum in the academic market swings toward a more online method a huge new business opportunity could be available if the word processor is compliant with the various academic writing standards.
Re: Different first page header? NeilSC 2/6/14 4:07 AM
There is a work around if you're happy to send/publish docs in pdf format. I create a standard template for the front and back pages, and a 'body' template starting with the page numbers. 
Once complete I use 'pdf mergy' (an app available on Google Web Store) to put the document together. 
No ideal, but it means you can produce professional docs without the need to buy proprietary software.

Re: Different first page header? Gill 2/6/14 2:44 PM
Thanks for that - I hadn't come across pdf mergy.
Re: Different first page header? Sari Price 2/11/14 11:58 PM
Google this function is truly needed and needs to be implemented as soon as possible. more people are using Google Docs as their go to for writing and it does not even have this simple feature along with many other. A change needs to be made a soon!
Re: Different first page header? The Pick Man 2/12/14 12:20 AM
Don't hold your breath, Sari. It is clear from their non-response to the 400+ posts in this thread that Google have no intention of paying attention to their customers needs. 
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 2/12/14 1:38 AM
Of course we need all those features that were found in a standard word processor ten years ago and more. Those using Google Docs on a Windows, Linux or OSX have other choices. Those using Chromebooks are severely limited.

I have been told by someone involved in Google development (A Beta Tester) that improvements are on the way.

I wait.
Re: Different first page header? Ricardo Padro 2/13/14 9:39 PM
Please tell me as soon as this happens, it is much needed for APA paper
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 2/13/14 10:55 PM


On Friday, 14 February 2014 07:39:10 UTC+2, Ricardo Padro wrote:
Please tell me as soon as this happens, it is much needed for APA paper

These complains have gone on for years with no action from Google. How long can you wait? 
Re: Different first page header? Gill 2/14/14 10:09 AM
Don't worry, Ricardo - if and when this feature appears I guess you'll hear the shouting from the rooftops.
Sadly, given how long we've been asking for it, it seems Google does not consider it a priority - which is very strange.
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 2/14/14 10:21 AM
I guess Google is staffed by people who never generate documents in hard copy, see no point in printing anything and view those who do as hopeless dinosaurs.

But the customer should get what the customer wants.

397 posts by 278 authors!

And proper header/footer management is just one of the issues.

Endnotes, citations, columns . . . 
Re: Different first page header? Peter Vera 2/18/14 6:59 AM
This feature would help alot
Re: Different first page header? Dean Ratledge 2/19/14 10:08 AM
So I spend time in a meeting learning how to use docs and the very first thing I try to do cannot be done. Come on Google, how about a header function!
Re: Different first page header? Favs 2/19/14 5:13 PM
I need this too!
Re: Different first page header? Annette Shimada 2/19/14 9:15 PM
Agreed. Much needed. Ridiculous that the ability to have a logo/header only on the first page is not possible. every professional i know needs this.
Re: Different first page header? NoraCaterino 2/22/14 11:39 AM
I need this function badly in all the tools so I can migrate. Otherwise, I have to go back to either Office or OpenOffice. I just can't have page numbers on title pages or TOC pages. I also badly need real headers/footers and I see this is missing. Google, please, please add these functions. Otherwise, I love GDocs very much but it's important to have professional looking docs and page numbers on title pages just don't look professional enough. 
Re: Different first page header? The Pick Man 2/22/14 12:08 PM
Nora. I think your hope is probably in vain. I gave up using Google Docs months ago for this very reason. There is no sign that Google intends to do anything about this issue which would be, for them, a minor matter with which to deal. Time, I think, for you to be deciding what you will use as an alternative. This mega-Org is treating us with contempt.
Re: Different first page header? Robert Gingher 2/23/14 2:26 PM
I just bought a Chromebook, and I am SHOCKED that this is not a feature, and even more SHOCKED, holy guacamole, this has been going on for years?  Really now, Google, listen to your users!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
Re: Different first page header? Johnny Spangler 2/24/14 6:08 PM
I want to add my voice here as well. As a master student in a psychology program, my papers must be in APA format and that requires a title page with a different header than the rest of the article.
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 2/24/14 6:20 PM


On Tuesday, 25 February 2014 04:08:47 UTC+2, johnnyspangler wrote:
my papers must be in APA format and that requires a title page with a different header than the rest of the article.

Here is an article here


suggesting Chromebooks are a good deal for students and Gdocs is up to the job.

I have knowledge of four English universities: in none of them would Chromebook/Gdocs have sufficient features for even an undergraduate essay.

Would this be the same in tertiary education in the United States?  
Re: Different first page header? Student Adam Sacks 2/25/14 2:24 PM
This is most definitely needed. I am trying to do a paper for school and I can't change the header.
Re: Different first page header? Joe Mitchell III, Esquire 2/26/14 10:24 AM
This is a problem for Google Docs.  Makes it unuseable for legal letters more than 1 page.  C'mon Google - do something!
Re: Different first page header? Eric Semchenko 2/27/14 4:46 PM
I lost points because my paper had to be in MLA format, which requires this feature. please add this feature. also, please make automatic capitalization after each sentence. it is so annoying to constantly have to press the shift button
Re: Different first page header? Kendrick Dequire 2/27/14 10:31 PM
Thanks for caring about the issue. you and Europax
Re: Different first page header? Europax 2/28/14 7:41 PM
Re: Different first page header? Europax 2/28/14 7:46 PM
Ask questions on this live demo of Google Apps 

March 11th, 2014 and March 12th, 2014.

! Make our issue known!


Re: Different first page header? Europax 2/28/14 7:47 PM
Re: Different first page header? Europax 2/28/14 7:52 PM
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 2/28/14 8:10 PM
Give 'em a rough ride!

We need all those features that were standard ten years ago in a business/academic wordprocessor.
Re: Different first page header? mcorwin333 3/1/14 6:39 AM
Thanks for sharing article. I just left my comments to warn those who would be tempted to buy a chromebook for school. It would be great for others to do the same.

All this discussion and frustration... Time to let others know about lack of improvements for Google docs.

Re: Different first page header? MrAirborne26 3/3/14 6:58 AM
After reading all the posts regarding this issue, I had flashbacks of early Microsoft.  Seems, Google, although claims to be different and innovative, they have adopted the same business model as Microsoft - Once you get big, screw listening to your customers or product users, just do what "you" want regardless if it's what the end user wants.

Anyway,  Just started using Google Docs and immediately saw the same issue, but after reading all the posts and realizing we're on our own, I came up with a fix in about 10 minutes.

1  -  Created a .png graphic of my Company Logo that is normally in the header.

2  -  Created a .png graphic of my Company Info/Tag line that is normally in the footer.

3  -  Changed the page format to .5" top margin, all others-left, right, bottom remained as the default 1"

4  -  Inserted Company Logo graphic at top of page on Page One which is normally a cover letter

5  -  Since our Company Tag Line is at the bottom of every page, I just added a footer and inserted the Tag Line graphic.

6  -  Repeated Step 4 above for page 2.

7  -  Subsequent pages contained just the footer.  ****Remember****  The top margin was made smaller, so on the subsequent pages I just hit the space bar twice at the top of each page, or however many times to get the space you need at the top margin.  Pain in the keester - but hey it works!

Ain't no use in holding your breath and turning Google red, blue, yellow or green waiting for them to fix it - take the bull by the horns.

Re: Different first page header? Labarum 3/3/14 7:06 AM
Nice to know we now have eighteen pages of complaints in this issue.
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Re: Different first page header? Gill 3/3/14 8:52 AM
Thank you for the ingenious workaround - but it really shouldn't be necessary....!
Re: Different first page header? bartbr 3/3/14 9:10 AM
I agree! I also have a workaround, but I think we need a real solution for this issue.
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 3/3/14 9:13 AM
You can print the first page as a separate document, but, as said, workarounds should not be necessary.
Re: Different first page header? Europax 3/3/14 9:38 AM
I print the first page, make up the continuation header remove the letterheading and continue printing the rest of the document. Clunky! 
Google surely does not want to be known for a 'clunky' document app?
Re: Different first page header? Europax 3/3/14 9:42 AM
By the way, I abandoned spreadsheets almost before I started for similar reasons. But you can't ask an accountant to work on something so basic. Now it comes in handy for keeping my favourite cable TV channels in a 'nice easy to edit as the provider changes them' format. Really core to my business that, you know ;)
 

Re: Different first page header? Labarum 3/3/14 9:48 AM

But much like Dettol does with germs, it [Chromebook] covers 99.9 per cent of what you need to do on a laptop. Sadly, that last 0.1 per cent is actually a kind of important one – work.

 

Having once made the terrible mistake of imagining I could work on a Chromebook, I can vouch for the fact that it’s career suicide.

Google Documents mangles spreadsheets with the insane glee of a cybercriminal – and any time you think, ‘I’ll resize a picture’ or ‘I’ll sign a PDF’, you have to dive into a maze-like Google app store filled with weird programs.

 

The solution? Do the complex stuff on a proper PC.


Read here

Re: Different first page header? Leonel Mojica 3/3/14 1:45 PM
thank you to the person that posted the idea of printing first page, then second page with header. 


Re: Different first page header? benjamin vaughan 3/5/14 12:58 AM
Everything would be beautiful if I could just remove the header from particular pages. Please, Google, please. Why force me to go use Word when I don't want to!
Re: Different first page header? (unknown) 3/10/14 7:20 AM
I concur.
Re: Different first page header? Dallas Ritchea 3/12/14 11:51 AM
This question has been open for nearly 3 YEARS with nothing done by Google. Three bloody years. To those who do not yet know, Google does not listen to their users. Youtube layouts? Lets change it every month and integrate our sh*tty social network into it which causes 10% or so of the comments to be totally irrelevant. Cloud word processor? Lets leave out 100% necessary features. The only thing they do right is their search engine, which is kind of hard to screw up - although not impossible, look at Bing.

Just add this one damn thing, Google. I could code up a crappy word processor with different headers for each page in bloody Visual Basic. In under a day. I'm sure if a 17 year old high school senior with no coding skill at all could do it in a day, the incredibly talented, highly paid Google programmers can do it in under an hour at the very least. Unless they are completely and totally incompetent, which is seeming to be the case as of late.
Re: Different first page header? theguntogirl 3/15/14 1:15 PM
Yes, PLEASE! I always have to write up various papers in APA format, and this requires a different heading for the first/cover page from the rest of the pages. Microsoft Word and OpenOffice both have this ability, but I need to be able to do this on Google Docs when I share docs with others in my group!
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 3/15/14 6:04 PM


On Saturday, 15 March 2014 22:15:21 UTC+2, theguntogirl wrote:
Yes, PLEASE! I always have to write up various papers in APA format . . . 

Does Gdocs lack of other features  hinder you?

For example, can you easily generate suitable tables?
Re: Different first page header? JoyfulC 3/17/14 9:05 AM
Any journalists here? Maybe someone could do an article on this topic, and see if Google will comment as to why they haven't addressed this demand from the user community.
Re: Different first page header? Phil Lewer 3/18/14 10:54 AM
Me too!
Re: Different first page header? TheMusiKid 3/18/14 1:24 PM
Seriously. This has been a wanted feature (with absolutely NO downside) for years.

Why doesn't it exist yet? :-(
Re: Different first page header? Emily Sheets 3/19/14 5:59 AM
As a student, I agree.

I also don't see the function that lets you separate headers/footers into columns.
Re: Different first page header? Tristan Selke 3/21/14 11:40 AM
Me too
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 3/21/14 11:55 AM
Has anyone counted the "Me too"s in this long long thread? It's an awful lot.
Re: Different first page header? Greg Powers 3/27/14 9:48 AM
How many YEARS is Google going to make us wait. This is a very basic need for documents. 

A lot of us are preaching Google docs as a replacement to Microsoft office. BUT Google need to cover the basics.
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 3/31/14 9:05 AM
Re: Different first page header? mcorwin333 3/31/14 9:43 PM
The answer to this issue is Microsoft's office.com.  you can do what you need online with out having to gripe about the lack of functionality.
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 3/31/14 11:15 PM
office.com is the same as office 365.

Am I right that the version of MS Word available is the MS Word Web App found free on OneDrive (SkyDrive). It will read MS Word documents with complex formatting, but is missing those complex editing features - you cannot edit columns as they are displayed, for example.

The design aesthetics of the new MS offering is superb - Google's stuff shrieks at me like a Cornflakes packet. 
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 3/31/14 11:27 PM
To answer my own question, there seems to be a difference between Office Online which offers a reduced set of features and Office on Demand which makes full featured applications available.

Have I got that right Mark, and which are you using?
Re: Different first page header? (unknown) 4/1/14 9:54 AM
Same here. I would really like to switch to Google Docs completely.
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Re: Different first page header? Kenneth Yaya 4/7/14 9:33 AM
I agree. 
All you need to do is create a separate doc as your cover page. This will save you time by having a template already there waiting to be updated for whatever necessary.
It is an easy solution because title pages don't even count as a page so your page count will be accurate.
Don't hate on me; I'm just trying to share my way around it!
But yes Google, PLEASE fix this!
Re: Different first page header? JN CB 4/7/14 3:28 PM
I am doing a 30 page project with 20 separate google documents.  Some are two pages so they need page numbers such as 11, 12; 14, 15; 21, 22; and so on.  I really need this function!  It has always been a set back!
Re: Different first page header? Sydnee Kardisco 4/8/14 8:59 AM
Even as a freshman in high school, this is an important feature for me. It would be extremely helpful to have different headers for the first page.

Different first page header? Randy C. Scott 4/8/14 10:38 AM
Can't believe this still hasn't been addressed by Google. It's as if they don't want Grad students using Google docs. Missed opportunity Google...
Re: Different first page header? The Pick Man 4/8/14 12:13 PM

Does anyone know whether anybody from Google even bother to read this forum.? This whole thing seems like an exercise in futility. 

Re: Different first page header? DouglasSJA 4/8/14 12:19 PM
I have specifically spoken with someone from Google Apps for Education support. This person states that they have had this feature request for quite some time, that he does not know why it hasn't been resolved (as it is not his team who is responsible), and forwarded the forum link to the Google Drive team. This is all the information that he had for me.

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Re: Different first page header? The Pick Man 4/8/14 12:34 PM

Thanks. I noticed that you, or somebody else, posted something similar quite a while ago. It is clear that Google treats its users with contempt. Even a short post here by one of the 'team who is responsible', with a brief explanation for the delay, might be something.

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Re: Different first page header? (unknown) 4/14/14 6:50 PM
I am a Junior, and I am about to get a zero on this extended essay for the IB Diploma I have been working on since January because I cannot afford Word and Google doesn't have this feature.
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 4/14/14 10:52 PM
Samantha, if you are submitting your essay in hard copy you can make the front cover as a separate document. Print cover (without header) then print the main body (with the headers) and put the papers together.

If you have to submit electronic copy install this app


and move you file across. Team lap allows different first page header. (See the options on the right hand side vertical icon bar)

On the main issue: Google docs is not fit for purpose.


Re: Different first page header? zinkyre 4/15/14 5:48 AM
That's awesome! How come no one posted Teamlab before?
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 4/15/14 6:05 AM


On Tuesday, 15 April 2014 13:48:43 UTC+1, zinkyre wrote:
That's awesome! How come no one posted Teamlab before?

Coz it's new? 
Re: Different first page header? zinkyre 4/15/14 6:25 AM
Glad someone could step up to the plate.
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 4/15/14 6:43 AM
Well, on the different first page header issue - but still lots missing.
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 4/15/14 6:48 AM
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 4/16/14 1:27 PM
And I see the MS Word Web App on OneDrive does different front page header.

Go to "Headers" and look to the right of the screen for "Options"

This may get you straight in


Re: Different first page header? Gregory Myers 4/18/14 2:54 PM
At the very least a different header on the first page should be added as a feature to Google documents. Other variations like odd/even would be nice, but different first page is a must for academic use. While it is not complicated to make a separate document for the cover page, download the two documents as PDF, and merge the cover page with pages 2-(last) to make a final document, it should not be necessary. It should be possible to turn in a Google document rather than rely on PDF. The lack of this one feature is what keeps Google documents from possibly replacing Word in academic work. Without it, Google documents are just a nice toy for rough drafts.
Re: Different first page header? Mathew Call 4/22/14 1:02 AM
Just had to add my +1 to this incredibly long and very consistent forum topic. I actually need a different first page header for a separate reason but same feature so, here's hoping that after 3 years, we are close to seeing something.
Re: Different first page header? The Pick Man 4/22/14 1:36 AM
Mathew, I love your optimism. Misplaced I fear, but I love it. Hope springs eternal in the human breast!
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 4/22/14 2:43 AM


On Tuesday, 22 April 2014 09:36:17 UTC+1, The Pick Man wrote:
Mathew, I love your optimism. Misplaced I fear, but I love it. Hope springs eternal in the human breast!

Our best hope is that the hardware manufactures who make Chromebooks will grip Google. The pathetic Office package must be holding the product back.

 
Re: Different first page header? flower pearl 4/25/14 7:03 PM
it's been three years! Why hasn't this happened yet?!?!
Re: Different first page header? Europax 4/26/14 1:18 AM
It is not a priority for Google.
Re: Different first page header? Omar Alam 4/26/14 10:52 PM
I apologize if I am resurrecting this thread — but thanks so much for the tip on pdf mergy. That is a really helpful solution for this problem on the Chrome OS.
Re: Different first page header? Shannon Cogen 4/28/14 2:55 PM
me too!
Re: Different first page header? duncanduncan 4/28/14 6:29 PM
Fixed now, yes?
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 4/28/14 8:42 PM


On Tuesday, 29 April 2014 04:29:20 UTC+3, duncanduncan wrote:
Fixed now, yes?

No. Not that I can see. 
Re: Different first page header? Tony Ra 4/30/14 1:45 AM
Someone may have addressed this earlier; wasn't going to leaf through 20 pages.

How about using the pdf Merge app. It's another step... but... a solution...

I haven't used it yet but will give it a go.

Amazing this hasn't been resolved. On the whole I love the Chromebook; not having to deal with updates and virus programs... now to get my wacom tablet to work here and life would be awesome.
Re: Different first page header? Tony Ra 4/30/14 1:56 AM
OK... I used the smallpdf merge pdf app and it worked quick and flawlessly.

Until google fixes this, this works well.

Happy merging!
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 4/30/14 2:11 AM
Merging PDFs has been mentioned before. I'm glad it works. Of course, if hard copy is what you want just print the front page as a separate doc.

Neither workaround should be needed.

I too love my Chromebook - but at the first hint of an approaching brick wall I walk to a PC.

Not everyone can do that.


Re: Different first page header? Lisa Cook 4/30/14 8:15 PM
wow do I agree.  i am having such a difficult time getting used to this program.  If I can be blunt.  I HATE IT!!!!!. I have trying to create a price sheet for almost 1 week now.  every time i edit it, I either lose the header or the footer or both.  I mean cmon
  WTF. as i type i am im the process cutting 3 different sheets and taping them up to make one.   Just not right    Lisa
Re: Different first page header? JackForman 5/2/14 2:56 PM
This is a feature that has been requested from 2011 to current 2014. 
I won't go so far as to say this must be easy to do. It's always easy to do until you try to do it. However in many industries it is necessary to many uses it is necessary in order for me to convince people to change over from whatever they currently use, to Google apps is necessary.

However the Google team does not acknowledge it or even comment. Do they really think it's not necessary or are they just sleeping.
Re: Different first page header? Tony Ra 5/2/14 10:27 PM
They obviously have bigger fish to fry. Tells me docs and chromebook maximization just isn't that important.
Re: Different first page header? Happy Happy 5/3/14 8:50 PM
It has been about 3 years since this post was created and this feature still has not been added.  Come on, Google!
Re: Different first page header? Lead 101 5/4/14 12:10 PM
Word online can do this and it is free.
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Re: Different first page header? Happy Happy 5/5/14 11:48 AM
Just checked it out.  Nice.  I guess I will be supporting Microsoft instead of Google, then. :)
Re: Different first page header? Lead 101 5/5/14 11:54 AM
Yeah...I'm not sure what the hold is with Google.
Re: Different first page header? Anthony Keane 5/5/14 5:12 PM
Me too
Re: Different first page header? _Draxx_ 5/10/14 11:55 AM
I would love this functionality too! My work around has been to create a new doc for the title page. Not idea but meh. I'm using a chromebook at the moment. 

Re: Different first page header? Evan Markowitz 5/10/14 7:17 PM
+1
I am so curious as to why this still doesn't exist, I am currently working on my resume, but, I cannot finish it until I can remove the header on subsequent pages
Thanks
Re: Different first page header? Nicole Johnson88 5/13/14 6:33 PM
it is important to have one im tired of having to move to someone elses computer to do an assignment! this is my midterm you know google cant you work this out already?
Re: Different first page header? sergio fraire 5/13/14 8:53 PM
college student here, I want to do well on my term paper for sociology class. I know I will loose points on my assignment for not having a different first page header, and the reason I know this is because my professor said "you will lose points for not having a different first page header". So much for hoping to get a full hundred points.... 15 pages of research and information degraded by an "incorrect header". 

F*$% that.... 
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 5/13/14 9:34 PM
If you are submitting hard copy, Sergio, print the first page as a separate document.
Re: Different first page header? Gregory Myers 5/14/14 4:21 AM
In the Chrome Store is an app called Sejda that will merge and split PDF files. (It is better for this task than PDF Mergy and also free.) It will easily take a page one made as a separate PDF document and merge it with pages two through the end of another PDF document. Right now moving the finished document to a pair of PDF files is the best route to a different header on the first page. It should not be necessary to download as PDF, fix the header, download as PDF again, and merge the appropriate pages with Sejda. It takes less than a minute, but it is annoying.
Re: Different first page header? Victoria D'Angelo 5/19/14 4:52 PM
I totally agree, I'm trying to put my name on the paper but it looks weird with it on every page.

Re: Different first page header? Matthew Bankhead 5/19/14 6:31 PM
plus one
Re: Different first page header? jwijnings 5/20/14 11:30 AM
For some reason my topic, where I ask for this and for numbering of headers, is marked as duplicate with this. Am I reading wrong or has a date been mentioned? I have no clue why I am forwarded to 2.5yrs old topic. Always the same with these stupid Google Product forums. You never get a response from Google and moderators wipe your post without the decency to asnwer politely.
Re: Different first page header? Amber Hawkins16 5/22/14 5:52 AM
This would be a great help. Please Google!
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 5/23/14 8:16 AM
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-27538491

All of this, but they are far too clever to be bothered with giving us something as mundane as a different first page header!
Re: Different first page header? Gilles-Philippe Morin 5/31/14 4:48 AM
This is the main reason why I use LibreOffice Writer instead of Google Docs. I will switch once title pages get implemented.
Re: Different first page header? Fernando Bernardini 6/9/14 1:24 AM
+1

Come on google!  This is a 4 years request! I've been giving thumb up to google for years, but lataley im giving you thumb down as you are not following people needs! 
Do you need 50 C++ programers to do this?  Come on!!   It shouldn't taker more than one programmers week. 
Re: Different first page header? Jawarren 6/9/14 11:59 AM
me too
Re: Different first page header? Cagdas Ulgen 6/27/14 7:36 PM
As a solution to this problem I decide to split my work in different documents so I could have different first-page headers. I know its not the best solution but its better than nothing. Google please fix this problem. 
Re: Different first page header? brynn lipira 6/30/14 10:29 AM
Me too
Re: Different first page header? pspenard 7/3/14 5:40 AM
I can not believe I am unable to create a different header and footer for the first page.

How can I have mobile employees use Chrome books and our Google Business Apps if we can't do this basic function?

Now I need to also have an Office 365 account and use MS Word. That is exactly what I want to avoid!

Google, please get it together!
Re: Different first page header? Hannah Wade 7/3/14 8:07 PM
I agree, as a grad student it is very necessary. I am surprised that a company that wants to be seen as business friendly does not already have this feature.
Re: Different first page header? Vanessa Sircy 7/9/14 11:07 PM
Working on a group paper APA style and I can't put a different header…lame. 
Re: Different first page header? lizmart 7/15/14 12:15 PM
I agree, please add this functionality to Google Docs. Please???!!!!!
As of now I have to do this on MS Word on my laptop. I am a GPS student and love that Goolge Docs even exists. This would make it so much more loveable :-)



On Wednesday, September 28, 2011 2:55:02 PM UTC-4, driscollm wrote:
I see that Google Docs doesn't have this functionality, but I'm starting this new thread as a feature request.

It is extremely common in academic and professional writing to need to have different headers and/or footers for the first page and the rest of the document and/or for odd and even pages. (For example, it is terrible form to put a page number on the first page in any style.)

Google, this seems extremely easy to implement. Please?
Re: Different first page header? Michael Amico 7/16/14 7:57 AM
I need this.
Re: Different first page header? NWBISS 7/18/14 12:38 PM
lame - add it, request since 2011, get on it
Re: Different first page header? ramkyc 7/20/14 11:55 PM
Me too.  Too bad that Google Docs doesn't have this functionality still.
Re: Different first page header? Rohan11103 7/21/14 12:09 AM
College Student in 2014, yup, still need this! 
Re: Different first page header? jwijnings 7/21/14 12:16 AM
Not only college students... How does any serious company switch to Google Docs without this feature?
Re: Different first page header? Michael Amico 7/21/14 2:05 PM
Not only college students... How does any serious company switch to Google Docs without this feature?

I own a law firm, and we make the margins really wide and the font really small so that everything always fits on one page, it's a great work around..... But seriously, Google Apps has a great Docs add-on that imports headers and footers from other documents into a new document, it works wonderfully, but because of the absent "different first page" limitation in Docs, the entire word processor is something this business can not use successfully. Digital letterhead, and the case style (the plaintiff v defendant part of a pleading at the top of the page), are repeated over and over and over again and work best as headers, and letters and pleadings are generally longer than one page, thus the problem.

My goal is to fully integrate the firm with Google Apps and Chromeboxes, I would love to buy a bunch of boxes. Unfortunately, the lack of this option in Docs is a deal breaker in the terms literal sense, not the figurative sense that many use to imply they will no longer continue to use a free software application. Workarounds are also out of the question, the staff has a hard enough time keeping up with the workload, without asking them to do something weird to get a document printed.

Anyway, I hope this option is added soon so I can stop using Word and buy a bunch of new Chrome OS computers.
Re: Different first page header? Michael Amico 7/21/14 2:16 PM
So the answer to your very astute question jwijnings is, They Can't
Re: Different first page header? Mathew Call 7/21/14 2:50 PM
Has everyone switched to the new Google Drive interface? http://youtu.be/jWvKAYKlnnM So this is what the Google Drive team has been up to. I think now is the perfect time for everyone on this forum to inundate the Google Drive team with this specific request. While in Drive, click the settings icon > Help > Send feedback.
Re: Different first page header? Jonathan Alfonso 7/21/14 3:59 PM
I know this isn't exactly a solution for the Google Docs problem, but you could always use Microsoft Word Online on your Chrome devices, or at least until Google Docs (hopefully) adds this feature.
Re: Different first page header? Europax 7/22/14 12:30 AM
As a veteran of this thread, I'm delighted to see more people stumbling across it and venting their frustration. 
I did at one time make a calculation, based on the fact that probably less than 2% of dissatisfied customers actually find their way here, as per direct marketing stats, and from that extrapollated the thousands of actual dissatisfied customers, but Google does not care about us. They are too busy forging ahead where no cloud computing app has been before to worry about the collatoral damage of poor sales follow up.
Re: Different first page header? Melody olsen 7/24/14 5:27 AM
Count me in.  Maybe we should get APA on board with this too, since their format is the source of my problem.
Re: Different first page header? Phillip Hart 7/24/14 9:44 AM
Dear Google: Please add this feature!
Re: Different first page header? Alizabeth Leake 7/24/14 5:44 PM
1 more vote
Re: Different first page header? Karel PUCHOLT 7/28/14 2:37 AM
Same problem, same needs.
Re: Different first page header? Gill 7/29/14 5:03 AM
Good idea Melody, if you know of a good way of contacting them.
Re: Different first page header? Isaac Marovitz 7/31/14 8:54 AM
I hate table of contents. it is so confusing
Re: Different first page header? Harry - Iplodman 8/2/14 12:10 PM
Yeah, this would be really nice to have. +1 from me.
Re: Different first page header? JacobJWL 8/6/14 11:34 AM
I agree whole heartedly.  I am a college student, and this added feature would make my life much much easier.  I would no longer need to use microsoft word or pages, but instead could have all my papers instantly backed up online, without having to constantly copy and paste into a word or pages document in order to turn in my papers.
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 8/9/14 1:12 PM
Hey Gill,

I wonder if this is what we are all hoping for?


An Office Suite with all those features we thought were standard ten years ago.

Maybe I won't have to sleep a thousand years.
Re: Different first page header? Simon F Bate 8/11/14 7:25 AM
Incredible that it's not there. Please add this feature. All of a sudden I find Google Docs is not good for polished documents. What a shame.  Back to LibreOffice.
Re: Different first page header? Cheryl Amacker 8/13/14 6:11 AM
It's been three years since these comments were posted.  As far as I can tell, this issue has not yet been resolved, as well as the issue of creating actual columns in a document.  (These are just the two I've encountered in my brief experience with Google docs.)   From the layman's perspective, this seems to be Formatting 101.  Is anyone even trying to address these problems anymore?  As long as Google products do not have the basic functionality of Microsoft products, there's no compelling reason to switch, despite the collaborative features you offer.
Re: Different first page header? Rataucha Heard 8/13/14 7:00 PM
I would like to have this implimented as well and the side ruler would be nice for papers that have a title page that requires centering both top to bottom and side to side. I am gratful for what is here already, because I was getting frustrated with using this new Chromebook when I have been used to Microsoft Word. I was afraid that I made a mistake in purchase, but I have been reassured, epecially if you add header different first page and the ruler on the side. Thank you Google I love your products and services! R.Heard
Re: Different first page header? Amanda Dudley 8/13/14 8:26 PM
Thanks for mentioning OpenOffice! You just saved my life.
Re: Different first page header? David Petzinger 8/20/14 12:26 PM
me too!
Re: Different first page header? MCL1552 8/23/14 4:27 AM
Headers don't show Top/bottom margins most disconcerting. A vertical ruler delineating the divisions on a page would be good along with this ability to  specify cover page left page right page headers/footers.
Re: Different first page header? Pierre-Luc Bisaillon 8/26/14 8:12 AM
This has been requested since 2011 and still not in the product? What does Google say about it? Disappointing.
Re: Different first page header? The Pick Man 8/26/14 12:05 PM
Google says nothing about it; that's what is disappointing. And, there is no way that I can see that Google is prepared to accept a direct communication. We are treated with contempt!
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 8/26/14 12:14 PM
We are treated with contempt!

Say it again.

We are treated with contempt!
Re: Different first page header? Dorian Brown 8/27/14 2:58 PM
I agree with this because for academic purposes this feature would be superb.
Re: Different first page header? bobfuller.pilgrim 9/2/14 5:17 AM
Is there a logical reason why this issue has been ignored by Google for over 3 years?  I cannot stop my Office365 subscription in favor of Google as long as I must attach a Page 1 and then subsequent pages to every document I publish.  

How do users escalate an issue like this above someone who acknowledges the need but does not make it a higher priority?
Re: Different first page header? Gill 9/4/14 4:14 AM
The don't (other than using the Help->Report an Issue link.

TCs can (and in this instance have) escalate to Googlers, but we cannot change their priorities.
Re: Different first page header? Alyxandra B 9/8/14 3:48 PM
Why is this still not a feature in 2014?
Re: Different first page header? dboynj 9/8/14 5:04 PM
What's with the fuss?  This particular feature set is only lagging behind word perfect by a mere three decades...  

In all seriousness, I've been rolling out Google Docs at my place of work as a replacement for Word.   It was downright embarrassing when I had no answer for the Google naysayers wishing to not have a number on their title page.  

Re: Different first page header? Michael Amico 9/9/14 9:13 AM
I have been watching this thread since July 16, a mere fraction of it's existence. Since then a steady stream of unique posts are made usually more than once a week requesting this feature. Looking back through the the threads history, the steady stream is not unique to the 56 days I've been here. Anyway, this is just an observation, I'm not really sure what else can be done. I just hope somebody who can has the power to decide what features need to be implemented reads this. I can't stress how foundational this feature is to a word processing system. I don't have any situation where I would need the same header on every page of a document, and I have many situations where a document is over 1 page. 

It is like asking folks to seriously consider paying for a word processing system (if you are using Google Apps) for their business, their livelihood, the means in which they make their way and feed the kids, that doesn't have spell check. The output will be sub par.

So what is the online answer? Microsoft Word Online. Great. But wait! What if I'm using a chromebook, and all of my documents are stored in Google Drive, Microsoft Word uses Sky Drive. Well I could pay for another service to sync Sky Drive with Google Drive, but each link in the syncing chain inevitably creates small anomalies, and training the staff on what goes where and log in to this service and that service, that is not happening.

So what am I left with. Well.... oh yea, Office 365. And I don't even need to worry about making sure gdocs are saved in Word format. All because different first page header is not available.

All I'm saying is that developing rubik's cube graphic lab and other cutesy stuff is just really neato. But folks outside Amphitheater Parkway make a living cranking out basic reports for whatever cog service factory we work for in black and white with arial font, kindof like our jobs, love our families, put in the hours for them, and we need a 

DIFFERENT FIRST PAGE HEADER, so we can use Google Docs, save money and take cool pictures of this kids using Google Sphere, and other neato stuff on the things we love.

All the dominos start with the freakin header. 



Re: Different first page header? JoyfulC 9/11/14 9:36 AM
Good news! And bad...

Today, I read that I could import Microsoft Word documents into iCloud's Pages beta. I wondered what it would do with the headers. IT WORKED!! So now I know I can create documents to use as templates in Pages beta, even though I don't have the full paid version, and different first page headers will be preserved.

But the bad news is, I tried the same in Google Docs, and no such luck. Major manglage.

In the interim, until Google gets this done, I can only recommend that students looking for a free multiplatform wordprocessing package get an icloud account and try pages. Import an MS Word document into it that already has the formatting you want, and then modify the content. Good luck!
Re: Different first page header? Wonseok Song 9/11/14 3:54 PM
So did they add it yet?
Re: Different first page header? Matthew Potthoff 9/14/14 1:38 PM
I just lost points on a paper in my masters program because I didn't have the "Running head: Title" even though my professor said it was ok to turn in a Google Doc.  This needs to be fixed for this to be used in higher education as more than just a note taking or collaboration tool.
Re: Different first page header? Gill 9/14/14 3:56 PM
Sorry to hear that - if you turn in printed paper hardcopy you can fudge it by adding the header (which will occur on all pages) and then print off pp2-end. For the first page you need to remove the header and just print off page 1.

If your prof wants an electronic copy then I'm afraid you do have a problem.

Google - please fix this very annoying bug.
Re: Different first page header? Gregory Myers 9/14/14 5:06 PM
The Chrome app "Sejda - PDF Split and Merge" is an easy solution to the problem. It easily merges page 1 from one PDF with pages 2-(end) of another PDF. No, it should not be necessary to make a second copy of the first page, download both copies as PDF, and merge the two PDF files to get a different first page header when using Google Documents for a paper written to APA rules, but it takes just a minute to do and sure beats using the alternative programs. 
Re: Different first page header? Sean Boston 9/15/14 1:38 AM
I am a student at California Maritime Academy, and I have been working for 8 months to try and update the school's infrastructure to Google Apps for education. This fault will have professors from all the departments mad at me for something I have worked hard to make happen. Please fix this, so that MLA and APA styled papers can be written and submitted properly natively in Google. If there isn't a sloution for this, my school will be unable to use Google Apps for Education, and as a student, I would be pretty sad, because our current systems are straight up crap. Also, the lab report I am currently working on is a lost cause for the same reason. I not have to take my work out of your system and input it into another, and good luck with that, because I run Chrome OS... Please, please help Google. Im just trying to help my school, and not fail my lab class!
Re: Different first page header? Gill 9/15/14 4:18 AM
Thank you for that info, Gregory - it may tide people over until Google fix the problem - which I certainly hope they will, although they never reveal future plans so it is hard to know.
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 9/15/14 4:26 AM
I note, Gill, the Libre Office is becoming available for Android and Android Apps are becoming available inside Chrome.

I wonder if this may be the route to salvation?
Re: Different first page header? Shanda Ward 10/10/14 7:30 AM
Please ME TOO!!!
Re: Different first page header? Jaime Aguirre 10/15/14 8:06 AM
Agreed - this affects the nonprofit community as well. Grants often require multiple headers and styles. This also prevents our organization from moving completely to Google Docs, which we would like to do. The comments functionality in GD is extremely useful when multiple staff members are collaborating on a large grant request.
Re: Different first page header? MarilynMWilder 10/20/14 8:15 PM
This is a must!  You cannot be competitive with any other word processing, spreadsheets, etc., unless you add this feature "Different First Page".  Control on what number to begin your Header or Footer, etc. Please, you are so close to perfection.

:)
Re: Different first page header? (unknown) 10/22/14 10:14 AM
I toats agree, lololols
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Re: Different first page header? Daniela Frausto 11/5/14 8:44 PM
Very Needed

Re: Different first page header? Paige Paul 11/7/14 10:32 AM
How is this not already in place?  This is the ONLY obstacle in the way for me to transition to Google Apps from Word, and the ONLY reason I am not buying a Chromebook.  My grad work must use APA format, and it isn't possible without this simple feature.  Get on it, please!
Re: Different first page header? Alyssa Lackey 11/7/14 4:16 PM
How do you go about adding the page number on the second page because I am writing a research paper and it needs to be on the second page
Re: Different first page header? Geoffrey Westropp 11/8/14 4:57 PM
I don't think anyone from Google actually looks at this forum.  The best way to get them to add this is to open a google doc, go to help and select "report an issue"  Specify different first page in your report.  If many people do this they might add it.
Re: Different first page header? Aseel Refai 11/8/14 5:16 PM
Add this feature GOOGLE DOCS! Please?
Re: Different first page header? Dani Wally 11/10/14 5:16 PM
Why is this not available? I have to submit most of my assignments for school through google docs and I can't create a separate header which is necessary for standard APA formatting. 
Re: Different first page header? Raul Garcia 11/15/14 8:51 AM
Please Google Add this feature to Google Drive! 
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Re: Different first page header? Som Gupta 11/19/14 6:07 PM
I agree
Re: Different first page header? Som Gupta 11/19/14 6:07 PM
I agree.

Re: Different first page header? CR Amadeo 11/21/14 1:08 PM
Please add this!!! 3 years later and.... nothing. Aw, c'mon! How many more requests will it take??
Re: Different first page header? The Pick Man 11/21/14 2:15 PM
@Amadeo. It doesn't matter how many requests may be made; it is obvious that nobody from Google reads this thread. We are talking to ourselves.
Re: Different first page header? sman591 12/1/14 12:46 AM
This is a much needed feature!
Re: Different first page header? Danielle Estrella 12/6/14 12:03 PM
Me too!
Re: Different first page header? Nathan Walters 12/8/14 7:58 PM
It's amazing that three years later, this feature still doesn't exist. Please add this, Google!
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 12/8/14 10:31 PM


On Tuesday, 9 December 2014 03:58:04 UTC, Nathan Walters wrote:
It's amazing that three years later, this feature still doesn't exist. Please add this, Google!

Google has finally got (US: gotten) round to sorting out Merge Cells, but no sign yet of Different First Page Header, or Table Of Contents with Page Numbers, or Columns,  or any other of those features that were considered basic and essential in a word processor ten, fifteen of even twenty years ago.

Utterly amazing that a company with a turnover greater than many Nation States cannot do this, or listen to its customers.
Re: Different first page header? Jamie Lee O’shea 12/11/14 2:31 PM
Does anybody know if this has been rectified?
Re: Different first page header? Tess Emma 12/13/14 7:03 AM
I have been trying to do this, and i have gone on every website. It is mandatory, and i need it now!!
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 12/13/14 7:22 AM


On Saturday, 13 December 2014 15:03:30 UTC, Tess Emma wrote:
I have been trying to do this, and i have gone on every website. It is mandatory, and i need it now!!

Annoying, isn't it. A great number have complained for years - no response from Google.

The simple work-around is to print the first page as a separate document, but that will not serve if you have to submit an electronic document. You could print two docs to PDF and merge the PDFs, I suppose, but none of this should be necessary.

Are you on a Chromebook? If not use different software.

Edit: On a Chromebook you could create your doc using MS Word on-line free at Skydrive (OneDrive) - that has different first page header options.

 
Re: Different first page header? Gill 12/14/14 3:02 PM
It hasn't :-(
Re: Different first page header? J Davis56 12/15/14 10:35 AM
This was a brilliant way to solve this issue.  I was so into writing the paper and worrying about the format that I couldn't think of
this.  Thank you

Re: Different first page header? gkorto13 12/17/14 2:53 AM
C'mon Google! People have been asking about this for years. The school I teach at uses chromebooks, and I can't get APA formatting for them. Instead, I am teaching them little tricks to get around it. I also can't just have them insert a text box in the document (another useful thing I'd like). Please fix this so we can use APA formatting in Google docs and not have to go into Word!
Re: Different first page header? Calvin Uijlen 12/19/14 2:13 PM
Why is this still not possible in Docs?
C'mon Google, you can do it!

- Calvin
Re: Different first page header? Joseph Bagdonas 12/21/14 10:40 AM
Wow!

Just downloaded this Google package, began looking through it and found it was really great compared to QuickOffice.

I was able to change fonts and importantly set page boarders, snd other things.

I'm needing to type out a legal document, where all this is extremely important.

What I could find in all the options eas inserting page numbers. So I went on the internet to try and find out how to add page numbers, came across this forum and began reading...

I'm not so concerned with 'headers and footers', as an option like in Word, but I 'at least' need to insert page numbers.

From what I'm reading here, going back a couple 'years' already, are people literally 'begging' Google to improve on this application that they talked everybody into switching to or using, and they have 'ignored' all these requests and for all this time?

What's with Google?

Seems to me that they are too busy trying to take over the world, than to fix this issue already!

Can anyone suggest a different Android application to switch to?
Re: Different first page header? The Pick Man 12/21/14 1:42 PM
@Joseph B

It is clear that this forum is not read by anybody at Google. More to the point is, Can anybody suggest a way to contact Google to make known the views of the users here.

Re: Different first page header? Joseph Bagdonas 12/21/14 3:03 PM
Yea, trying to contact someone at Google would be like trying to contact someone at craigslist and ebay.

Craigslist is completely automated, you can't solve any issues there!

And for many years ebay turned off all their phones to incoming calls.

But they went back to posting a number to actually being able to talk to a 'human' there, which is great once again.

Every now and then I hear something on the news about Google doing something new, taking something over, going to revolutionize 'something', and they can't finish things they already started!

I suspect Google is being run by ex-employees of Microsoft. Because 'they' were the ones that revolutionized that whole thing of not finishing something they started!

What was it, '90 something' updates they had for XP, then they just gave up on it, coming out with a new operating system for everybody to buy.

Naturally 'that' being full of bugs too. Then, they announce that they won't support their previous operating systems.  So, unless you're a 'computer genius', you're 'forced' to upgrade.

Bill Gates really does belong in prison... He must have paid off 'a whole lot' of politicians to resolve his legal issues with the government.

Problem here is that Google has just got too big! They're just like another Mictosoft in the business world. And when a company gets that big,they just don't care anymore.

I mean if they don't want to fix these issues, why don't they just sell the thing off, and let another company develop it.

I'm quite sure they have someone in an office somewhere, reading through all these forums, and know all about these issues.

Just wait... In time they'll come out with something brand new, (with all these issues fixed), so they can sell it, and make even more profits from it.

Just like Microsoft does...
Re: Different first page header? Gill 12/23/14 7:06 AM
You can add page numbers in a Gdoc from the Insert menu, with the choice of top or bottom of the page.
Re: Different first page header? Joseph Bagdonas 12/23/14 7:23 AM
Not that I've been able to find.

I go to the insert dropdown box, and there is no option to add page numbers, anywhere.

I had originally thought not with the 'freebe' program, so i spent the $20 to upgrate, and that option was still not there.
Re: Different first page header? Gill 12/23/14 9:09 AM

Are you using a spreadsheet rather than a document? This is what I see in a Gdoc:
Re: Different first page header? Joseph Bagdonas 12/23/14 9:58 AM
WHOA!

What are you using?

Or should I ask what in the world am I using?

I am trying to create a document, not a spreadsheet.

But what I'm looking at on my screen, doesn't look anything like your screenshot!

Like it's a different program all together.

And I don't know how to attach my screenshot here...
Re: Different first page header? Joseph Bagdonas 12/24/14 11:37 AM
Looking for more help here...

When I go the the help section, another window opens with the address;

http://mobisystems.com/officesuite_pro/android/help8view/en/FileBrowser_Pro_8.html

Am I even using the right program?

I surely thought I downloaded, (then paid $20 to upgrade), the Google office suite.

The blue, red, green color (squares), icon says 'Office Suite'. And the home page ssys Office Suite 8, but no where do I see the name 'Google' anywhere.

I have to wonder because of the screen shot that was attached previously in this discussion. Again, that looks completely different than what I'm seeing!

And again, I can't figure out how to attach my screen shot here.
Re: Different first page header? Nathan Walters 12/24/14 11:46 AM
That is definitely the wrong program. We're talking about Google Drive (drive.google.com), not the program you have. If you need help with that program, I suggest you contact the developer of that program directly.
Re: Different first page header? Joseph Bagdonas 12/24/14 11:59 AM
I don't know how I got lead to thinking that this program was from Google, and downloading it.

I do have Google Drive and the Cloud service. But isn't there a Google office suite, with a document editor in it?

Where did that previously posted screen shot come from?
Re: Different first page header? Nathan Walters 12/24/14 12:14 PM
That screenshot is from the Google Drive document editor.
Re: Different first page header? Joseph Bagdonas 12/24/14 12:37 PM
I discovered how I wound up with that other program, as I just did another search in Chrome.

I typed in something like 'Google Office Suite', and that was the first thing that showed up on the page, so I thought that was from Google.

It's not a bad program at all. Certainly a 'whole lot' better than the QuickOffice I had been using. But no page numbers, which eventually lead me here.

I just downloaded 'Google Docs'.

I even  looked on Wikipedia at Google Docs, and it showed a picture of a new document page, that looked exactly like the screenshot that was posted here previously.

But I open up the Google Docs I downloaded and I'm not seeing anything like that!

Just like a listing of my existing files. I open up one of my files, but still don't see what was on Wikipedia.

I try to create a new document, and still don't come up with a page that looks 'anything' like the picture on Wikipedia.

I go back on Chrome, look up Google Docs, that leads me to the playstore. It days it's installed, I open it, and all I see is two options to open up, documents and picture.

I'll open a document, and what I basically see is a document opening up in what looks exactly like QuickOffice.

Do I need to uninstall QuickOffice?

Is there somewhere where I need to select a default program for a document to open in?

I simply don't understsnd this! And it's driving me nuts...
Re: Different first page header? Joseph Bagdonas 12/24/14 12:37 PM
Re: Different first page header? Nathan Walters 12/24/14 12:46 PM
The screenshot shown is of the browser document editor; it sounds like you're using the Android app. If you go to drive.google.com and open, create, or upload your document there (I'm not sure where it currently is) you will see what you saw in the screenshot. The Android app interface naturally looks much different than what was shown in the posted screenshot.
Re: Different first page header? Joseph Bagdonas 12/24/14 1:47 PM
I clicked right on the link you provided to make sure I was going to the right place.

A pop-up window came up with 'complete action with', and my options were,  Chrome, Browser, and Drive.

I hit Chrome. It popped up again, and I selected Chrome again.

What came up was just a list of my files. At the Top it said My Drive.

I was able to open up any of my files, but none opened up in that Google window I had seen in Wikipedia.

There were 3 vertical dots on the top right, 3 horizontal lines on the top left, an icon for doing a search, and something else I can't remember.

I tried 'all' the options with the dots and lines, it's hard to describe what came up, and I can't go back and forth as I will loose everthing I wrote here.

At one point I had seen a blue circle with a plus sign toward the bottom of the screen.

I clicked in that, and it gave me two options. Both were to create a new document. One said a new Google document. I tried them both. Neither opened up the page/window I seen in Wikipedia.

I read something somewhere thay thr files have to be saved to Google docs?

All the files are a .docx... I can't see any way to save these files as 'Google Docs'.

WTF?

Is there some application blocking my way to this Google Doc application?

I remember the previous post stating something about this is not an application in my cell phone? That it's a web based application?

Is that right?

And if so, what does it take to get to it? I followed the link... all I eventually wound up getting was a file list on my screen.
Re: Different first page header? Joseph Bagdonas 12/24/14 1:47 PM
Re: Different first page header? Gill 12/26/14 11:42 AM
Hi Joseph - can we just go back a step? What device are you using? And with which browser?
The screenshot I posted previously was from a desktop - but a Chromebook would show something very similar. The mobile version however is different and, I think, offer fewer options - page numbers may be one of the "missing" features. Google docs, as used on a desktop, should auto-save in Gdocs (not DOCX) format.
Re: Different first page header? Joseph Bagdonas 12/27/14 4:16 AM
Well, I guess that explains a whole lot! Gee, I wasted a lot of time here. Right now I'm using a Samsung smartphone. I do havr an Asus 10" tablet, and a Samsung 7 inch tablet, but all are Android.

The Gdocs I've tried just sitting here on my phone basically gives 'very few' features at all.

I guess I'm better off sticking with the program/app I downloaded 'thinking' it was Gdocs.

It's 100 times better than the QuickOffice I have been using, is loaded with features and options, (except for that page numbering).

It allows me to set page margins and line spacing, which is extremely important, then all the various text size and type options, (which I do get with QuickOffice), but not the other options.

I would doubt if I would see the same Gdocs you have, using one of my tablets. All they have are larger screens, but still use the Android OS.

I have a very important legal document I need to finish typing out, then plan on printing it through a cloud printing service. Had never tried that yet, I 'surely' hope all the formatting stays as I set it in the document.

But page numbers are kind of expected in such a legal document.

Oh well... Thanks for writing back and clearing that up.

So for anyone else that's wondering, don't waste your time using Gdocs if all you have is a small Android device.
Re: Different first page header? Joseph Bagdonas 12/27/14 4:16 AM
Re: Different first page header? viljar.pihus 1/11/15 3:41 PM
Google, I'm a bit concerned about you, because you can make cars drive by them-self but you can't take page number off from the first page!?
Re: Different first page header? Joseph Bagdonas 1/11/15 4:22 PM
'I' never questioned anything about taking a number off the front page.

I can't get any page numbers.
Re: Different first page header? Europax 1/12/15 12:51 AM
It's true, suppose there was a small tweek required to the self-drive car, after-sales? And say it was mission critical for some people to be able to swap to using that car, over their current mode of transport, but they did not find out about the sortcomming until after they bought it?
I would not be able to rely on Google to listen to their customers and implement the change, not even after a large percentage of people had been asking for over two years! 
Re: Different first page header? Dianne Maxwell 1/15/15 4:01 PM
I totally agree - this needs to be changed.  I need to use different first page on all of my documents.  Very annoying.  Google please correct this.
Re: Different first page header? Nicholas Anderson 1/22/15 8:04 PM
We need this!
Re: Different first page header? Raina Stephens 1/28/15 7:37 AM
When will this feature be implemented? It's extremely important for manuscript writers and it's frustrating that a simple addition such as this has not yet been made available.
Re: Different first page header? JackM6 1/28/15 8:07 AM
After several thousand unanswered, U acknowledged pleas, I think it is fair to say that Google simply has no interest in the Docs product and will never, ever, make it a viable alternative to Word.
Re: Different first page header? Bethany Abbott 2/5/15 1:25 PM
I wholeheartedly agree! As a college student majoring in two different fields, it is completely necessary to have to different header abilities. I use google docs to write a paper in various places and at various times, but I have to download it to my word processor so that I may add a specific header before printing.
Re: Different first page header? Amanda Robledo 2/5/15 4:42 PM
It's 2015 and they still do not have it.
Re: Different first page header? sammy muhamad 2/8/15 10:46 AM
I agree fully on this, wish there was a way to help. Google should def. work to improve and adjust docs to work with APA format ..
Re: Different first page header? Nate Dunworh 2/14/15 8:28 AM
Yes, I also agree and believe this should happen.
Re: Different first page header? aandacrane 2/17/15 8:36 PM
bump
Re: Different first page header? Clare Garfield 2/20/15 1:57 PM
This is very frustrating! I travel a lot and use different computers and want google docs to be the main thing I use rather than constantly emailing docs to myself but I really need this feature. 
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 2/20/15 2:05 PM


On Friday, 20 February 2015 21:57:28 UTC, Clare Garfield wrote:
This is very frustrating! I travel a lot and use different computers and want google docs to be the main thing I use rather than constantly emailing docs to myself but I really need this feature. 

Microsoft Word online will do it for you, and is free.

Re: Different first page header? ElsaMirna Gomez 2/21/15 7:16 PM
I have tried different ways to attempt to include my Running head: and well it just has to be done without one. I hope Google listens to all the requests.
Re: Different first page header? Grace Margrave 2/23/15 4:54 PM
Yes, I use Docs for all my studies, and adding a function where I can have a header on the first page only, and just have page numbers on the rest of the document would be awesome! Hopefully Google will add this function!!
Re: Different first page header? Brian (Docs Product Manager) 2/24/15 2:54 PM

Hi everyone. We’re pleased to announce that you can now use different headers/footers on the first pages of your documents! This means that you can:

  • Follow academic formatting guidelines for first page headers and footers (e.g. MLA, CMS, APA)

  • Start page numbering on the second page

  • Make a title page without headers or footers


Making a different first page header/footer with Docs is easy! After inserting a header or footer in your document you’ll see a checkbox as shown below:



Just tick the box and you’ll be able to set a different header and footer on the first page. That’s it!


We’re also introducing a new Insert > Page Number menu that lets you easily start page numbering on the second page, as shown below:



This is just a quick summary of the feature. It’s live now, so enjoy and please let us know your thoughts!


Thanks again,

Brian (Docs Product Manager)

Re: Different first page header? Wonseok Song 2/24/15 2:58 PM
YAY!
Re: Different first page header? Gill 2/24/15 3:03 PM
Yay! Thank you so much, Brian - this will make a lot of people very, very happy.
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Re: Different first page header? bendito 2/24/15 3:16 PM
Wow, this is quite a development. I just happened to stumble upon it about 10 minutes ago, just a few minutes after Brian posted the announcement. This is a huge addition (finally!). 
Re: Different first page header? nashife 2/24/15 5:24 PM
This fills me with pure unadulterated joy!  I stumbled onto the feature while working on a draft and actually yelled happy expletives out loud! (thank god there were no students in my office today!)

Thank you so much to the developers and team who worked on this and decided to finally make this a priority!
Re: Different first page header? Tandylyn Terry 2/24/15 5:50 PM
Hi all,

Perhaps I'm missing something, but when I insert a header on a new Google Docs document, I don't see the checkbox that Brian referred to. I even tried adding text to the header to see if that would make it appear, but it still didn't work. Also, my Insert Page Number menu still looks the same. Any thoughts?
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 2/24/15 6:19 PM
At last!

The next biggest request is for Table of Contents with page numbers.



Re: Different first page header? Michael Amico 2/24/15 6:50 PM
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat! I've watched emails trickle in from posts asking for this consistently since July 16 of last year. Man! This is great. This is another foundational step toward complete business integration for Google outside of Microsoft. I couldn't truly use Google docs in a business setting without different first page headers.

Hooray! Now just make me a car that drives itself and I'll finally be happy.
Re: Different first page header? Drew Cartee 2/24/15 6:59 PM
same here. I have been watching these emails come in for years. what a strange feeling to finally get this update. Luckily I'm still in college and still need it.
Re: Different first page header? Joseph Bagdonas 2/24/15 7:19 PM
- Ah, Wait just a minute...

Does this include the app for Android mobile devices??

I first posted quite some time ago after someone posted a screen shot showing something on this subject.

After some going back and forth for a while, the poster of the screen shot had stated that the screen shot had come off his desk top computer.

It was no wonder why I wasn't seeing the same thing...

I'm using Android on mobile devices, so will this change apply to those like me as well?

Will I now be able to use Google Docs for my main word processor / document writer, and be able to add page numbers to my documents???

That's 'all' I need to do, nothing fancy or real involved, just be able to add page numbers.

Thanks.
Different first page header? Simon F Bate 2/24/15 8:19 PM
Yay! Thanks, Google. I just used it and finally fixed the issue that brought me to this forum.

Now...how about mobile.
Re: Different first page header? Tandylyn Terry 2/24/15 8:48 PM
Ok, so here's an update: I figured out that this new change works on my normal Gmail account, but it doesn't seem to work on my Education Gmail account. Is anyone else having trouble seeing the update if they're using an Education Google account?
Re: Different first page header? Cheryl Amacker 2/25/15 5:35 AM
Yes, ditto.  It's present on my personal drive but not on my Google Education drive.  Google people - I'm amazed and grateful to discover that someone actually eventually reads these message boards.  That being said, would you please extend this great fix to your Google Education accounts?  This is where most of your next generation of paying customers will first be exposed to your product . . .

Thanks!
Re: Different first page header? Jennifer Hummel 2/25/15 8:02 AM
Hi Brian.  I'm not seeing this feature in any of my new documents.

The header comes up.  I type in it.  I type in the body of my document as well and even tried giving it multiple pages.  Still not check box.

Ideas why?

Jennifer
Re: Different first page header? George Hernandez 2/25/15 8:11 AM
Thank you Google and Brian! After 26 pages of forum discussions since 2011-09-28, we finally have different first page headers!

However, I noticed a potential problem with the Page Count. Page Count is 0-indexed or 1-indexed (a good thing), but Page Count is always 1-indexed, (a problem).

For example: If I have a 3 page document, and choose to start numbering on the 2nd page, then the footers will be: (blank), Page Number 1 of Page Count 3, Page Number 2 of Page Count 3. It seems that in this case the Page Count should be 2-indexed in this case
Re: Different first page header? juln 2/25/15 8:57 AM
Hi all,

For any Apps account, including education accounts, there is something called 'scheduled release'. These accounts are defaulted to scheduled release, which results in getting a feature about 2 weeks after it rolls out. You can learn more about the release tracks and see the calendar here.

You can also ask your Apps account admin to adjust your release schedule to 'rapid' so you get future updates sooner.

Cheers,

Julianne
Re: Different first page header? Michael Amico 2/25/15 9:15 AM
For those wondering, my apps account, which I also admin, is set to "rapid release" and this update is present.
Re: Different first page header? Gill 2/25/15 4:15 PM
Not quite (for me) - I'd like to be able to set the starting page number first.
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 2/25/15 4:51 PM


On Thursday, 26 February 2015 00:15:57 UTC, Gill wrote:
Not quite (for me) - I'd like to be able to set the starting page number first.

I agree Gill, this is only a small step in the right direction. Proper document sectioning is needed so that the front-matter, body and end-matter of a work can have different header and footer styles, with different page numbering and page numbering styles. For example the front matter might have some pages with no numbers and some with Roman numbering, the end matter with bibliographies, references and indexes might again have pages with Roman numbers, but the body text would  have Arabic numbering.

Those in tertiary education might easily need all these features.

But, as I have said before, if Google Docs and Chromebooks are to be sold into the higher education market the word processor needs all those features that were considered basic ten or fifteen years ago. Half the documents I write are in two column mode - Google docs is not up to the job.

To avoid stress, whenever I have a document to write or edit, and even when I need an accurate representation of the document just to read it, I reach for a Windows PC. My Chromebook I use only for its browser and for Picasa. For fifteen years I have used Fastmail's powerful web interface in preference to an email client, so my Chromebook is good for that. I love this HP11 for what it will do and hate it for what it won't and could. 

And for the second time in three months Google has "upgraded" ChromeOS so as to render WiFi unreliable - clear message to Google then: must try harder.

  
Re: Different first page header? Gill 2/26/15 5:56 AM
I sometimes think Google employees should be sent out into the real world with slow machines and dodgy wi-fi rather than working in luxury with state-of-the-art equipment. I think they forget what life is like "out there".
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 2/26/15 6:43 AM


On Thursday, 26 February 2015 13:56:56 UTC, Gill wrote:
I sometimes think Google employees should be sent out into the real world with slow machines and dodgy wi-fi rather than working in luxury with state-of-the-art equipment. I think they forget what life is like "out there".

I did once talk some sense into the Fastmail Team when they "upgraded" their (extremely powerful) web interface but removed some style options so I could not get a font big enough to see without the control buttons stealing a third of my 11.5" screen.

"Hey, it's all right for you", I said, on your 27" iMac, "but I have to make do with 11 inches of screen." They got the message and a big font style was brought back. Would that Google listened.

I don't think they can get their heads around the fact most folk haven't got and don't want the paperless office. That means the software has to have all the old routines for getting the data onto paper. In many places students still have to submit hard copy, and even when they don't it still has to be sent to tutors in traditional hard copy format. Those running small businesses need to generate fact sheets, fliers, brochures, booklets . . .

Ether that or giving customers an ability to produce a doc in two column mode is a rather boring task compared to Google Glass or a driverless car.

But I am surprised that the makers of the excellent value but low cost Chromebook hardware are not beating Google programmers  over the head because their tardiness and apparent lack of interest must in the end hurt sales.




 
Re: Different first page header? Heather Eggers 2/26/15 7:45 AM
I teach high school English, and we use MLA format for all essays.  As of yesterday, I am having trouble inserting page numbers in the header.  Before this change there was no issue, but now I can't get a page number to insert correctly.  Please advise.
Re: Different first page header? Gill 2/26/15 10:14 AM
<<I don't think they can get their heads around the fact most folk haven't got and don't want the paperless office. >> and yet there is no "web view" for docs, just a pseudo-page paper view. Odd, that.
Re: Different first page header? Michael Amico 2/26/15 10:16 AM
But I am surprised that the makers of the excellent value but low cost Chromebook hardware are not beating Google programmers  over the head because their tardiness and apparent lack of interest must in the end hurt sales.

Truth. The Chromebox is so perfect for small biz. I've got a collection in a storage closet of old keyboards, mice, and monitors from windows "upgrades" over the years. I would love to buy chromeboxes for the entire office, but the limited word processing is problematic. And I'm not going to sit the support staff down and try and show them a "work around" cuz that bird ain't going to fly.

Additionally, I don't need ton's of options fonts and other stuff, if I need that I send the work to a local printer. But the word processing and spreadsheet for that matter really need a bit more foundational options.

According to a google search card, small businesses make up: 99.7 percent of U.S. employer firms, it's not a secret that small biz drive this economy. I wish that Google would cater to Business Apps and small business in general more, that is where the money is. While I understand that Google makes a tidy profit, there is always room for more.

I believe this is happening, we have the release of the Android for work apps, etc. But the years spent waiting for the option of different first page headers is puzzling.
Re: Different first page header? Labarum 2/26/15 10:34 AM


On Thursday, 26 February 2015 18:16:46 UTC, Michael Amico wrote:
Truth. The Chromebox is so perfect for small biz. . . .  I would love to buy chromeboxes for the entire office, but the limited word processing is problematic. And I'm not going to sit the support staff down and try and show them a "work around" cuz that bird ain't going to fly.

That's it: a Chrombook/box with a competent  Office Suite hard wired in.

That Microsoft also misses the point is made here in a plea for an "Officebook"




Re: Different first page header? Gregory Myers 2/27/15 6:47 AM
It's finally here!

Google documents now has a check box that appears when inserting a header to make the first page different.
Re: Different first page header? Raul Garcia 2/27/15 7:32 AM
At last!


Thank you!
Re: Different first page header? Joseph Bagdonas 2/27/15 7:41 AM
Ah, figured it was too good to be true...

Those with PCs and the such, I'm sure are rejoicing with the update.

I did a Google Docs update on my Android mobile device, opened up a document, and there's no change here that I've discovered.

Will there be an update for us others out there, with Android mobile devices?

Is that even being worked on, or should I give up all hopes of, 'at least', page numbering with Google Docs?

Wasn't 'Google' one of the pioneers of Android, and 'really', involved in the biggest change in the entire world since Microsoft?

There's 'a whole lot' of people, only using Android mobile devices these days.

Re: Different first page header? Carrie Larson 2/27/15 6:18 PM
Is there a way to have a different first page header AND have page numbers start on the title page? Right now the page numbers start on the first page, but because I checked the "different first page header/footer" the page numbers don't show up for the rest of the document.
Re: Different first page header? 4ugust 2/27/15 6:53 PM
From my tests, I have seen that yes, this is possible. After checking the "different first page..." option, go back to the Insert menu, and then select Page Number > (one of the left-side options). This should readd the page numbers on all the headers (or footers) of your document.
Re: Different first page header? GLMyers 2/28/15 8:19 PM
When using a different header you must insert the page number on both the first and second page to have it on all pages since the page number is part of the header/footer when converting an older document.
Re: Different first page header? John Cutonilli 4/8/15 11:42 PM
This is better, but the page count is now off by one. On a five page document, with a different first page, the last page would indicate 4 of 5. This suggests that a page is missing.
Re: Different first page header? Lawrence Tawiah 5/6/15 3:34 AM
This is not limited to Google Docs. Seems like Google likes to lead us in the direction of being happy to be with them and then when least expected we are forced to use 3 party apps like BetterCloud and co to do simple tasks like adding a global or domain restricted header. When ironically they have allowed us to do this with footers.

Google, up your game. Your platform is great, but these little turns in another direction are more of a disincentive than incentive to stick and stay.
Re: Different first page header? JoyfulC 5/6/15 2:43 PM
We need this now more than ever! We just purchased our first Chromebook. And I'm sure it will get tons of use regardless. But it would be nice to be able to do away with Windows completely.
Re: Different first page header? GLMyers 5/6/15 2:54 PM
Different first page header works fine now with no issues. There is now a choice for counting/not counting the cover page in the page numbers when you insert them. The only documents where an issue may exist is in an older document, but that is fixed with copy/paste into a new document in the worst possible cases. Typically removing and reinserting the page number fixes any problem with the numbering. 
Re: Different first page header? JoyfulC 5/6/15 3:00 PM
Thank you! I didn't know that! I'll have to check it out.
Re: Different first page header? John Cutonilli 5/6/15 10:00 PM
The different first page header still has issues with the total page count. If you don't count the first page of a three plus the cover, the last page will say page 3 of 4, which indicates an improper count. 
Re: Different first page header? GLMyers 5/7/15 4:15 AM
John, that is not true anymore. When you insert page numbers using the either of the two choices on the right the numbering begins after the cover page so the last page in your scenario shows a page number of 3. What you describe would happen with the two choices on the left, so it is an option for those who want that behavior.
Re: Different first page header? John Cutonilli 5/7/15 7:39 AM
What I said is still correct as of today (7 May 2015). The page count and page numbers are two different menu items. While I agree that the page numbering is correct, the page count (next menu item after page number) is does not adjust to the fact that you have not counted the first page. Where this shows up is when you report page X of Y to alert the reader of how many pages remain. When you create a different first page, the last page will say page N-1 of N. This indicates that a page is missing.
Re: Different first page header? George Hernandez 5/7/15 10:12 AM
@John Cutonilli: Perhaps the latest version of Google Docs hasn't rolled out to you? I just ran a test just now (2015-05-07). The Page Number and Page Count remained fixed whether I had  different first page header/footer, i.e. the first page was either no footer/header or say page "1 of 1", the next page was always page "2 of 3", the last page was page "3 of 3". I'm OK with that, but some folks would probably prefer that if the first page has no header/footer, then the following page should be "1 of 2", and the last page would be "2 of 2". I think that page numbering schemes beyond this may be beyond the scope of Google Docs, i.e. some folks may want to start with several pages without page numbers, then have pages i to xxii, then a blank page, then start with page 1.


Re: Different first page header? John Cutonilli 5/7/15 11:43 AM
Google Docs is a web app, it should be up to date every time you open it up. In the past there was no way to have a different first page header/footer so when you numbered the pages, the first page was page 1 and the total number of pages was the actual count of the pages. They recently added a new feature which allows a different first page header/footer. With this new feature you can skip numbering the first page and start numbering the second page Page 1. You need the different header/footer to do this. When you renumber the second page to indicate it is actually Page 1, the page count does not adjust, so the last page would indicate an incorrect number. Using you example of no header/footer and two additional pages. You can type all of the numbers by hand, but if something changes it gets screwed up. What you will find if you try and do it automatically using automatic numbering and page count is that the second page will read Page 1 of 3 and the last page will read Page 2 of 3. It appears that page 3 of 3 is missing because the page count does not adjust to the renumbering of the pages.
Re: Different first page header? George Hernandez 5/7/15 2:19 PM
@John Cutonilli: Yes, Google Docs is a web app, but Google often rolls out different versions of the app to different users, especially when they are trying out new features to try on a subset of users first. It also depends on whether the user is using a paid versions of Google Apps for education, government, or work. Clearly our experiments show that my Google Docs (public and paid for work) behaves differently then yours does: Mine is behaving properly and yours (sadly) is not. I don't know if it will comfort you or not, but eventually you will get the fixed version!
Re: Different first page header? Josh Roebuck 5/27/15 3:24 PM
I've just recently started using Google Docs, so I take for granted the ability to create different header/footer for the first page (which you all begged for for years), However, I'm as frustrated as you were back then by the present inability (unless I'm missing something) to create a different header for first page, while leaving the footer the same across all pages . . . . . 
Re: Different first page header? GLMyers 5/27/15 4:18 PM
Since nothing prevents you from placing the same information in both footers I fail to see a problem. 
Re: Different first page header? Josh Roebuck 5/27/15 4:25 PM
Oh duh, that worked!  Thank you.  So obvious I didn't see it.  
Re: Different first page header? GLMyers 5/27/15 4:33 PM
You're welcome. We all struggle sometimes to see the forest because too many trees are in the way.
Re: Different first page header? Anne Cregan 7/9/15 9:49 PM
So I ticked the Different First Page Header/Footer but the Page numbers start counting from 1 on the second page of the document rather than starting at 2.  Page Count is the total number of pages (as it should be).  So my 5 page document has its last page as "Page 4 of 5" which is obviously incorrect.  Google can you please fix this? 
Re: Different first page header? Md. Hasibul Haque Sakib 7/14/15 3:50 AM
Hi Brian, can you also try to keep the last page using a different/no header/footer? That way I could make a brochure out of the word doc. I dont want page number or header/footer on the last page.


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Re: Different first page header? Gill 7/14/15 5:40 AM
That's a very good point. Also, please, please let us spec the starting page number.
Re: Different first page header? Dori Chandler 8/12/15 1:50 PM
Any news on providing the option to insert a different header/footer for individual pages throughout a document, in addition to the first page header feature? 
Re: Different first page header? Anna Pasetes 9/23/15 7:12 PM
While having the page number start after the title page has been fixed, the page count still includes the title page. The count should start from the designated first page (whether the title page as Page 1, or the one after that)
Re: Different first page header? Anna Pasetes 9/23/15 7:14 PM
hope to see an option where page count would also start on the designated first page. i.e. if title page = Page 0, second page = Page 1, then page count must begin with Page 1.
Re: Different first page header? Hastin Taylor 10/23/15 8:28 PM
If you don't know how to add a header, click on insert; header. Once you have done that a box will appear on the top of your page. You type in for example '1 Taylor', and that a header, but you might have a problem where every page after that is the same number. Just delete the number, leaving just your name, click insert; page number; and the first option (should look like 2 pages with 1,2 on it). This will then add number for you. If it does not add it immediately then mess around with this method.
Re: Different first page header? Darwin Nguyen 10/25/15 7:09 PM
Can you add a FBLA format on google too?

Re: Different first page header? Samantha Shimpi 11/1/15 2:12 PM
i need help i pressed first page header and i dont know how to get rid of it
Re: Different first page header? [email address] 11/6/15 2:52 PM
I tried this and it deleted the logo on the first page and kept it on all the other pages.  
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