|How do I change a doc back to the "classic" look? Logging in today, all of my docs have been switched automatically.||farysprance||10/31/11 10:03 AM|
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|Re: How do I change a doc back to the "classic" look? Logging in today, all of my docs have been switched automatically.||epicjudgeme6||10/31/11 11:57 AM|
Yesss, the same thing is happening to me too, and I didn't switch to the new look. I switched back through the 'help' button as soon as I found the option as I much prefer the classic look.
Can someone please tell me how to fix this, or google, can you give me the option to 'change to classic' back? I don't like the new look one bit.
|Re: How do I change a doc back to the "classic" look? Logging in today, all of my docs have been switched automatically.||stitcherdragon||10/31/11 12:06 PM|
I am finding the same thing and I am not pleased
|Re: How do I change a doc back to the "classic" look? Logging in today, all of my docs have been switched automatically.||stitcherdragon||10/31/11 12:26 PM|
I should add that the option to change back is gone from under the gear and does not appear in Document Settings anymore, nor do any of the things listed in the help sections
|bloody_charliebeth||10/31/11 12:41 PM|
I'm having the same problem... I'm a writer and I had all of my writing categorized and ideas organized for each section of one doc through the comments and now everything is disorganized because of the new version and they don't give us the option to switch back? I do not appreciate being forced to use the new version.
|Teresa - Docs & Drive Community Manager||10/31/11 2:02 PM|
Hi - thanks for posting with your feedback! I'm sorry to hear you're not liking the new look. We've removed the option to return to the classic look in your documents in order to streamline our editors and make them look consistent. Can you explain what you don't like about the new look? @bloody_charliebeth, what issues are you experiencing with the new look?
|Margaret C.||10/31/11 2:43 PM|
I'm not clear on where the issue is -- Is this referring to the documents list or actual google documents that use the old version of the editor?
I'm asking because if it's the actual documents, I'm really concerned about that. Whichever change it is doesn't seem to have hit me yet, as I'm still seeing the "Use the Classic Look" on the documents list page, and my documents are still using the old version of the editor while giving me the undismissable yellow bar at the top "Upgrade your document to the latest version of Google documents. Upgrade Now / Learn More". (As discussed here: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Docs/thread?tid=78ca6cfbf611a1cf&hl=en )
Is support for the old editor being removed? Have documents using the old version of the editor been automatically upgraded with no warning whatsover?
|stitcherdragon||10/31/11 3:18 PM|
Teresa, There is NOTHING to like about it. It's harder to work with, harder to see, options have disappeared, I have to go an redo all my footnotes in my term papers because they are gone, I am not finding ANYTHING to like. NOTHING at all. As far as I am concerned this is a disaster. There is no way to redeem this in my eyes and if my profs were not requiring us to us it - I would not. I hate it, I hate everything about it.
|Martin Rogers||10/31/11 3:25 PM|
I hate it too. The new look is retro, flat, monochrome (why?), fuzzy icons... it is like Java Swing "Metal" skin from 15 years ago. Hate it, hate it. I am betting that your team was so enamoured of their 'cool new look' that you've ignored all feedback, forced it out thinking 'they will all grow to like it' and thought that as this is free we'll just have to like it or leave. What a pain in the a** that attitude is.
|epicjudgeme6||10/31/11 5:36 PM|
The thing about this situation that isn't sitting well with me is the fact that all of my documents were upgraded without warning, causing me to have to reformat several of them, a rather painstaking process.
Furthermore, when the 'new look' was introduced, I wasn't a fan, and therefore switched back, also taking my time to give a detailed description of what I didn't like about it when I was prompted for feedback. I declined continuous pop-ups to 'try the new look' repeatedly, and now... this?
If I'm understanding you correctly, though many of your users gave feedback regarding the 'new look' when they opted to use the old look, Google Docs still pushed the new look onto everyone anyway, without warning, to make it look consistent? If so, that is considerably less than ideal.
Thanks again for your attention regarding this matter.
|JemiRage||10/31/11 6:45 PM|
The new documents are ugly. The bar up the top is large and unnecessary. I like the wide, full page text option. I don't like the new docs home. I like the organisation and easy accessibility and simplicity of the old one.
I was very happy. And now there are changes I don't like, find difficult to use, look ugly, and add nothing to my experience. I have expressed this multiple times in surveys and on the forums and I know others are as well and now we're finding that our documents have been changed for us. I understand that Google have control, but we're the user base and we're not happy with enforced changes. Why can't you just leave it as it was and let us enjoy your product as we have been? We don't want these changes. You can just leave it all as was, and we'll be happy.
|ari toronto||11/1/11 12:38 AM|
Wow- it's the nature of modern technology mega-corps
People grow comfortable with an interface and view the interface as the product- when it is changed there is an out pouring of anxiety and developers could care less other than paying lip service-
I repeat-to the end user the interface is the product- this is what they interact with- it's not like google docs isn't riddled with bizarre design problems that make simple tasks become head bangingly difficult- people use it because they lack other options
the consumer is a penned animal being sold for pennies to advertisers- the product need only work well enough to not be totally abandoned-
the assumption is that you won't care in a few months
your comfort is not important here
|Felicity_BB||11/1/11 4:34 AM|
I liked the classic look above the new, plain monochrome design too. The greyscale is ugly and clunky and the scrolling is crude and inconvenient.
Other features in the older version of Google Docs that I miss were:
- Fluid width/web view editing to maximise screen real estate and work with a document never intended to be printed
- The good equation editor
- The normal-looking scrollbar instead of the crude grey and the lower right-hand buttons that also controlled scrolling
- Inability to continue typing without an internet connection even for completely private documents where there is no chance of a synchronising issue (older editor does not disable editing--only warns the user that changes are not saved while the connection does not work, which is fair enough)
- Computer lag, which I'm sure will be fixed in time but which is probably annoying to users with slower connections
|stitcherdragon||11/1/11 10:06 AM|
Adding to Felicity's list: I miss the Bubbled footnotes, stability for footnotes ( mine go away at random); this is not user friendly and not working well on any of the computers I have access to; no matter what OS I am using or what browser...the tool bar does not always fit on the screen, the icons are too large, the upload option is gone, my foot notes in my term paper have gone and some of my projects are missing.
**Margaret C. asked"Is support for the old editor being removed? as far as I can tell yes.
Have documents using the old version of the editor been automatically upgraded with no warning whatsover? " Yes.
|Tiffanie B||11/1/11 10:28 AM|
Google, it is obvious that people do not like the new look. It organizes our docs for us. We don't want that. It changes formatting. We don't want that. It looks uglier. It is harder to work with. Please leave the option of keeping the classic look. I liked it much better. That way people have the option of what they want. And if you want to force everybody's to look the same, leave it as classic.
Many people here are saying that they DON'T LIKE THE NEW LOOK. Google, is your point to make your users happy? Or to force us to change to make it more convenient for you? Maybe you think you have to stay ahead of the competition. This isn't the way to do it. Sure, bring out new ideas; new looks. But at least leave the option of the old looks. Do not make the choice for us.
For the first time since I got google docs, I am seriously considering changing to something else. Something that will actually listen to users feedback and respond accordingly. Or maybe something that doesn't feel like it has to upgrade all the time.
I'm sorry if that came across as strong, but let me tell you. I feel more strongly about it than I have said.
|Steve V.||11/1/11 10:44 AM|
Teresa, I cannot and never will be able to use the new look. Not "refuse to", not "will boycott", but cannot. This is not due to incompatibility, load times, or any other technical issue you or any other person might care to name. Rather, the new look is literally headache-inducing. It causes me physical pain to leave open on any display within my field of view. I do not know why this is, though I imagine it has something to do with the gratuitous amounts of whitespace, the utter lack of contrasting elements, or the combination of the two in conjunction with my imperfect-but-corrected vision.
I've been using Google Documents for, if the last-modified date on my oldest document is correct, over four years. Until now I have had nothing but good things to say about the service, and have been using it for collaborative writing projects with good friends of mine for nearly that long. Now I'm going to be warning everyone I know away from the service, and I am on the verge of ceasing use altogether - even after over four years of enthusiastic use - if I am unable to switch back to the "classic" view or something similar to it on a permanent basis.
|Adah||11/1/11 2:17 PM|
Hi there -
For those of you experiencing issues with document formatting or contents (eg. you've had to reformat, or your footnotes appear to be missing) -- if you could share your doc with docss...@google.com and share the URL in this thread, we will investigate these issues. The updates to our interface should not have had any impact on any documents' contents.
Thanks for your help and patience.
|Margaret C.||11/1/11 2:27 PM|
Can someone from Google tell us when this is expected to hit all users and when the old editor will be removed entirely? Honestly, I have a lot of documents in the old format and I had no plans on upgrading any of them until full-screen width support was added to the new editor. If my documents are going to be upgraded for me, however, and I have to go through each document and see what might have gone missing... that's going to take some time, and I'd really like to know when exactly I have to carve out that time from my schedule to go through my documents.
|Gill||11/1/11 4:04 PM|
<<Have documents using the old version of the editor been automatically upgraded with no warning whatsover? >> Not for me - at least not yet. Like Margaret C, I would be very unhappy if this happened.
Compared with the old editor the new one is not fit for purpose until it has:
(a) full width view for docs that are not to be printed
(b) control over styles and spacing as we have with CSS
(c) control of headers and footers such that we can have a different first page
(d) tables that allow merged cells (can be done in HTML - it's a pain but it is possible)
And as for the UI - I'm afraid the new corporate design trumps functionality and user preference. The "snow queen" look has been much criticised but I'm afraid we are stuck with it - at least we now have the compact view. I just hope we are allowed custom themes (tasteful blue and grey perhaps....) down the line. As Steve V says the white version is headache-inducing. And for what it's worth I hate it on other Google products too.
|epicjudgeme6||11/1/11 4:34 PM|
In an effort to be productive, because it seems that in this thread and another I've come across, the replies you've given regarding this issue are quite similar and don't quite address the actual issue of the instituion of the new look despite customer preferences, would you be able to tell us when we could expect a newer look; one that would hopefully utilize some of the feedback that we've all given regarding the current 'new look'?
|Cutlass80||11/1/11 4:48 PM|
Thank you for taking the time to answer questions and interact with users.
One question I have not seen answered is why we can't have options? People don't like invest time in - and in many cases organize a business around - a product, get used to its look and features and the suddenly have the rug pulled out from under them.
I find the new look ugly and visually inefficient. It seems most of the users posting dislike the new look. This is easily solved by simply allowing people to choose their "look." Why force this on people?
As a consumer I'm frankly insulted by Google's antiquated "any color so long as it's black" mentality.
|Flibberty Gibbet||11/1/11 10:57 PM|
Teresa, I agree with Cutlass80. Please just re-add the option. If you don't, I can guarantee you will lose me, and others, as users. I, for one, despise the way the documents look. I can't stare at that ugly screen every time I want to write, it's hideous. The layout sucks, the size is wrong, it's dim, and pale, and horrid.
I don't care about the new look, I loved the old one, it was beautiful to me. And you did this WITHOUT asking anyone! You changed all my documents, lost formatting I'd done, ruined all my current books, and all without notifying me at all.
|ALICIA HEW||11/2/11 2:36 AM|
Hi Teresa, I am new to Google Cloud Connect. Once I sync my document successfully either Auto or manual, the document will be under default folder under my Google cloud account. Is there a way that i could change the setting, for example, once I sync successfully, I want my document is upload under folder "Working"? Notes: I am not mean under my local computer folder. I mean is under the Google cloud folder.
Secondly, when my laptop connected to a network, Google Cloud plugin automatically connected. Is there a way if I want to disconnect the access? Reason I am asking this because i experienced during presentation, half way I loss network connection then my laptop just hang there until i manually off my laptop's WiFi.
Thanks for help and highly appreciated.
|Adah||11/2/11 6:51 AM|
For those of you who have reported issues seeing your footnotes, can you check and see what document view you are currently in? Footnotes are only shown in paginated view, not compact view. To make sure you are in paginated view, go to the View menu (View > Document view > Paginated).
For those of you experiencing what seems to be a different document view, you may want to try changing this setting as well.
If you are still unable to see your footnotes, or are experiencing reformatting issues, please share your doc with docss...@google.com and post the URL here and I'll investigate.
|Sam.Pearson||11/2/11 8:18 AM|
Google Docs has now transformed into a place to store my OpenOffice documents when I switch between home and office. Removing the view option to make the editors "look consistent" is meaningless to people who only use one editor, and liked it the way it was. I don't care how any other document editor looks, and I don't care what other people are looking at on their screen. I would just rather have the option to work in an editor I enjoy looking at. I would also prefer that Google stopped trying to mandate how to make my life easier, and instead offered me choices. Offering one look has one level of value, and may not appeal to all users. Offering choices potentially appeals to a wider range of users, and also adds value all its own. Please consider giving us a toolbox, not a hammer. Some of us need to saw something.
|farysprance||11/3/11 5:42 PM|
I just find it confusing to look at. Aesthetically it's a nice design and very pretty, but I don't find it practical for use. It's difficult to navigate, making it rather inconvenient to me. And in my opinion, it's far too drastic a change to force on people. It feels like our feedback is being completely disregarded.
Instead of just ignoring us, I would appreciate it if someone with Google would address the concern so many in this thread have voiced - will we ever get the option to change back to the classic look?
|Felicity_BB||11/3/11 5:52 PM|
I agree with farysprance. Are there improvements being planned to the current look, or options for users to choose the look they prefer, and what time is this expected to take?
|Cutlass80||11/6/11 6:34 PM|
Thanks for nothing. It's an insult to come on here to post and completely ignore the numerous complaints. If these changes are so wonderful why not defend them?
Now, I just realized that you people shut down Google Labs, including the News Timeline???? Once again, I see complaints from users all over but not a single attempt by Google to explain their actions.
That's it. For now I may be stuck with the stuff I've already created on Google Docs, but I'll be keeping back ups of anything new I put on there until I can find an alternative (and just watch - Google will threaten any small website that tries to provide former Google users with what Google has taken away).
Meanwhile, I've switched my default search engine to Bing. Why bother with these services?
|kcvalerio||11/7/11 4:44 AM|
Solution to all. Don't like it, don't use it. Honestly, considering Google Docs is provided free of charge and is web-based, it only ever shows how much people are immune to change in the first place.
|kcboyd95||11/7/11 3:27 PM|
I apologize in advance for any harshness that might follow.
Now. I've searched for other sites before and found this one suits the needs and needs of the people I write with best. If it wasn't for those people, I'd simply stick to word, but same-time writing and chat is one of our most enjoyable passtimes...
It gives one of my friend awful lag and gives me a rather horrible headache. I've sent this same opinion multiple times and find it slightly insulting that we're given the option to send in complaints and opinions when, at least by seeing all the other complaints here, seems to be completely disregarded. I understand this is a free doc-sharing site, which is lovely and I enjoyed it very much... But being consistent... I would rather just keep the classic as compared to this new one.
|Jeff Harris||11/9/11 2:51 PM|
Sounds like there are a couple issues here:
(1) Changing from the old version of Google Docs editor to the new version. About a year and a half ago we launched a new version of Docs that was a total rewrite of the original Docs (http://googledocs.blogspot.com/2010/04/rebuilt-more-real-time-google-documents.html). Since then, we've made it so that new editor is used for all new docs and we've added promotions in the old editor asking people to convert their old docs to the new editor. We do plan on converting all Docs to the new editor over the next year. If there are features in the old editor that you absolutely need (e.g. editing HTML, full width), please keep telling us. For example, customizable styles is one we've consistently heard and one we do plan on adding before we automatically convert docs to the new editor. But it's not possible to support every feature in the old editor because there are some core architectural differences (i.e. the new editor isn't based on HTML).
(2) In the past month, we changed the look of our new editor (http://googledocs.blogspot.com/2011/10/experience-new-look-of-docs-and-sites.html). We first gave a preview of that new look, then made it the default, and lastly we removed the option to opt-out of the new look. I agree with some of the points on this thread. For example: there isn't enough color in the new UI. We added the collaborator color swatches in the upper right after we launched the preview as one way of addressing that, but we need to do more. More color and more inventive UI components are necessary. The new UI and the metrics we have on overall satisfaction (the surveys we show to a small percent of users) are positive on this change. But there's consistent feedback, especially around colors that we need to and will address.
There are some elements (e.g. more spacing and whitespace, the new dialog look) that are part of the design that every Google property is adopting. Obviously everything is a work in progress, but it's unlikely we'll change those core design choices in the short term.
I do appreciate all the responses here and our design team is thinking about how to address the core concerns that are getting voiced. We're trying to be deliberate about adding more to the UI ... this change did important work to simplify the interface and that simplicity is something we need to preserve in responding to your feedback.
Jeff, Docs Product Manager
|Margaret C.||11/9/11 3:24 PM|
Jeff, thanks for the reply. Can you tell us if full width is a feature that will be added to the new editor before documents are automatically upgraded? I know in one thread back in March, you said there were concrete plans on how that feature would be brought back, and it would be great to have an update about that. (As I've stated before, full-width is my dealbreaker -- it's the feature I must have before I start using the new editor.)
|Gill||11/9/11 3:46 PM|
Thanks Jeff. I look forward to the new editor continuing to improve.
My absolute musts before switching to the new editor for everything are:
1. custom styles - delighted to see that's on the radar
2. different first page header/footer (and MLA styling in general)
3. ability to start numbering at arbitrary number (for chapters say)
4. better tables with mergable cells.
a. full-width view
b. sections in both portrait and landscape in the same doc
d. embedded spreadsheet tables
e.better equation editor and rendering of equations in print/pdf
As for the new UI, I still don't like the excessive spacing and white space, though the compact view is bearable. Please remember we don't all have big screens - and if we do we use smaller windows on them. Themes as in gmail would help enormously - I'm a great fan of customisation.
|tp_steve||11/9/11 6:47 PM|
I have a bit of a different problem. I'm running on CentOS. The newest browser available on CentOS is Firefox 3.6. When I run the new Google Docs interface I get a message that says
"Your browser does not support all features of Google Docs. If you are having problems, try Google Chrome"
The documents load incredibly slowly (minutes to load a simple word doc).
Well, Google Chrome is not available for CentOS, and there's no newer version of Firefox on CentOS, so I'm stuck. HELP!
|Felicity_BB||11/9/11 6:53 PM|
Thanks for responding, Jeff. I agree with Gill's list.
My personal dealbreaker is full width/web view/fluid width. For documents that are never going to be printed, I just want a text box on screen that I can resize at will.
I'd also like a better equation editor that lets the user view the tex code, like the old equation editor.
In the UI, I'd like to see more colours in the buttons and a more effective use of space. I think the compact view in the new UI is a good way of stripping the extra white space and still viewing controls.
I also think a citation tool/MLA tool would be useful for users of an academic bent.
A choice of themes would be user-friendly and enable more people to have a product they like using.
Improved tables--eg. ability to merge cells.
HTML/CSS editing is useful, even though I understand the new editor is not built on HTML. Many people liked using this feature; perhaps the new editor could have this capacity in a sense that links to the ability to download a HTML version of the document?
|Jeff Harris||11/10/11 7:06 AM|
@Margaret - we're still not sure we can support a full width mode inside the document editor proper. But we're interested in (and working on) lighter-weight text input options. I'd expect that when docs are converted from the old editor to the new one, that they'd become fixed width. I'll make it so you can set the default page size for your docs before then (so you could set it to be wider than paper by default)... I should have done that a while ago.
@Gill - cheating (!) ... you've got a bunch of features that we've never supported anywhere :). But pretty much all of those seem reasonable. A few of them are being worked on now.
@tp_steve - we don't officially support FF 3.6 anymore ... we only support the last two versions of a given browser (http://googledocs.blogspot.com/2011/06/our-plans-to-support-modern-browsers.html). Is there any way to update to a newer version of FF on CentOS?
@Felicity_BB - Good list. I plan to make it so compact mode is a preference (if you switch to it once, your docs stay compact the next time you load it). You should be able to download an HTML version of the doc from the File -> Download As menu
|Margaret C.||11/10/11 8:21 AM|
Jeff, unfortunately, a wider paper width will not work for me. I've tried that and when I work with my documents on my netbook it's pretty much unusable. And when I use the new editor on larger monitors the wasted space on the sides of the screen are completely distracting. I understand that the new editor's sharing features require fixed positions, however, I do not ever share my documents so the argument falls flat for me. I'm not sure if it's a feasible possibility, but if I had to disable sharing entirely to get a full width option on my documents I'd be okay with that.
The bottom line for me is if my documents are converted to the new editor without a full width option I will stop using Google Docs. Even if I had the option to convert my documents to the lighter-weight editor you're talking about -- even if that means losing some formatting options -- that will work for me and I will be able to continue using Google Docs.
|Felicity_BB||11/10/11 11:33 AM|
I too find the fixed with distracting, full of white space, and useless to me when I switch computers. I have many documents that aren't shared, and I'd be willing to sacrifice sharing for full width/text only view. Also, I do think it's a problem that the new editor design isn't adapted to support this feature: many documents, shared or not shared, are never intended to be printed. Web only view is a basic and common option in many word processors. The yellow bar I can't dismiss on my old editor documents is irritating enough without being forced to convert them while this feature is lacking.
Compact view as a preference default would be a feature I'd enjoy.
|Gill||11/10/11 2:45 PM|
<< I understand that the new editor's sharing features require fixed positions>> I don't - why just because something is shared does it have to be fixed width?!
<< Web only view is a basic and common option in many word processors. >> Yup. And increasingly we are using docs that are never going to be printed.
<<Compact view as a preference default would be a feature I'd enjoy.>> Me too - thanks for that Jeff.
|NessaJ||11/10/11 10:05 PM|
I'm really not fond of the new Google docs look. I don't mind change all that much, but this is way too much of a departure from the old look. I find it to be the more superior of the two.
For one, like others have said, the whiteness is too much. It's blinding. Even with the gray on the side, it's still too much white. The ruler often blends in and I can't see it if I'm looking at the page in a certain way. The toolbar also blends in too much. While I can see it, it's so easy to overlook now. The top where the title is again has way too much white, so much so that the save data is hard to see, especially considering it's next to the menu which is all in black. That draws the eye way from the the saved data info. The way the colors were in the old look were much more balanced.
Furthermore, again, like others have said, there's something off with the width or whatever is going on. I think the top part, the toolbar and the title, might be too large. I know something is off because in many of my documents, I had it set so I could scroll down to a certain thing and it be exactly in the middle of the workspace! So if I need a certain piece of info, I can get to it easily without much adjusting. In the new look, it's not centered, the bottom of my browser ends up hiding it.
Could I go into compact controls or full view? Well, yeah, I could, however, compact still doesn't have the same effect as in the old look. Additionally, if I reload, I go back to the normal view of the document, so I would have to put it back on compact or full view. Given that, I usually don't use those views unless I'm actually working on a document and only if I need the extra space.
Finally, the toolbar buttons are too flat and I find this visually unappealing. Especially since there's no color to it except black and white. I liked the way the old look had the toolbar, not flat at all, the buttons were colored accordingly and they were appropriately spaced out. Even the share and comment buttons on the side are too flat and large. They were nicely sized in the old look.
I really wish I could remember how the pop up acted, but again, the whiteness of the new ones is blinding, so please refer to my second paragraph on that. Again, the looks of the old pop up was a lot better (and more colorful).
I think that's it. I'm not sure if I missed anything, but it's safe to say that I find the old look of Google docs to be vastly superior to the new look. I'm really not all that interested in new features. I just prefer a space to write with when I'm online and to store certain documents. I do share, but it's not something I do all the time. I was fine with the way the old look shared things. So, I was perfectly satisfied with how things were before. I even kept changing back when the old look overrode with the new look, until it was no longer possible to do so. I really haven't used Google docs since that change was made. I open my documents, but I haven't typed in them since the change. I'm really not sure if I want to since the new look bothers me so.
Returning the option to revert to the classic look or any change that makes Google docs look and act like the classic look (as an option) would be very much appreciated! I would be so happy and overwhelmed to have that back! I think that would help satisfy me, and from it looks like, others as well, if such an option existed. Thank you and I do apologize for the wall of text! I wanted to make sure I had all my thoughts in place, through I'm sure I missed something or another. I usually forget things like that.
|Margaret C.||11/11/11 7:50 AM|
Gill, it was a comment Jeff made in a previous thread -- regarding collaboration on documents.
<<Full width - The new editor has some features that require absolute positioning (e.g. tab stops, positioned images). Products like Word have web layout views that have degraded versions of these features for full screen. But in a collaborative app it's very very unclear how we'd support this feature. For example: What does a collaborator in page layout mode see, when a collaborator in full width mode drags an image to the 20" mark?>>
|NaokoKensaku||11/11/11 8:36 AM|
Here's something you might want to consider, Jeff.
I created a doc in the new mode just to use it for Nano, so I can edit it on the go on my mobile. In that mode, I notice that it looks quite a lot like the old editor, except no toolbar at the bottom. What would it take to use that look on the PC rather than being forced to use the new look?
Like most others here, I prefer the old view. The fluid-width is definitely a deal breaker for me as well. I work on a variety of screens and fixed width looks absolutely horrible on my screens (please tell your designers I send my deepest regrets for calling it horrible; they may have had good intentions, but as you can see here, it doesn't seem to serve users well).
If I had to turn off sharing in a document to get my fixed width, web-view option back, like Margaret C. said, it's a trade-off I am willing to take.
Thank you in advance for listening.
|Gill||11/11/11 11:29 AM|
Thanks Margaret C. I missed that bit.
|AlexPF||11/11/11 4:37 PM|
Today is the first time that I have had to use the new look and do not like anything about the new format, it is much less organized and it is much less appealing.
|goyesca||11/12/11 8:31 PM|
A few weeks ago, when Google allowed users to turn back to the classic view i thought to myself, finally, a company that recognizes users do not appreciate forced & quick change"
Perhaps the amount of users that didn't mind the new look, or didn't notice and simple out weigh the amount of users that do not appreciate the forced change.
Whatever the reason, I too would like to make the comment that the new look is quite arrogant, displayed through forced release & horrible communication and features provided. The spacing is horrific (yes, i know i can make the view compact) the icons are horrid (yes i know these are small icons), but the list can continue.
What should be understood, Google, is, stop designing & coding for you, & go back and baseline why you have billions of users.
Google's new motto : "If it isn't annoying users yet, try again"
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|Jeff Hurley||11/12/11 9:35 PM|
I love Google, but I am in agreement that this is a big mistake on their part. The window only shows 12 documents at a time. I would like to see many more than that as the classic view provided. I use tags to search similar documents. But I have multiple documents with these tags and need to be able to see more than 12 at a time to have a fast and efficient experience.
|Jeff Hurley||11/12/11 9:47 PM|
sorry I found the fix.
It still isn't aesthetically appealing as the previous docs.
|catz58||11/13/11 8:06 PM|
I will add my 2 cents here too. Way too much white space, as another person noted its hard on the eyes. The general google docs list makes it hard to find your documents. We had options before if we were looking for docs, pdf's, presentations, spreadsheets etc-now...lets hope you remember what you called it otherwise you could be searching a long time depending on how many items you have stored. Also, what's with the "home" option? Wasn't just "all" good enough? It was for me and unless I created my own folder that's where they stayed. Now I have to remove "home" each and every time I want to find something. Is this really necessary to have?
I am not against change for the good, but using spreadsheets, documents and pdf's has just become frustrating for me. If I didn't use google docs to share with family and co-workers I would more than likely stop using it at all. At this time I try to use it very little now just because of all the changes and frustrations in accomplishing tasks that used to be simple.
Why did you ask for our feedback on the new look or even give us an option to revert to the "classic" look if it really didn't matter much in the end? The last two revisions seems to have made the appearance on everything look "boxy", why is that? Very ugly in my opinion.
I appreciate having google docs at my disposal, but it's becoming painstakingly difficult to use or even want to use.
Not that my opinion matters much, but thanks for reading.
|JoelBionic||11/13/11 8:32 PM|
I have a concern that is beyond the "look" of a spreadsheet or the editor.
In the old version of a spreadsheet linked to a form, a form submit would obviously add a new row to the sheet linked to the form. This is still the same. However, in the old version, I could have another sheet (say, "sheet b") in the document setup to have cells that referenced cells their corresponding "mirror" cells in the form submit sheet, and when a new form submit occurred, the formulas in the "mirror" cells in "sheet b" would remain the same. That is, if cell A5 in sheet b was "=Sheet1!A5", and a form submit occurred, the formula in A5 would still be "=Sheet1!A5" after the submission occurred.
What has changed: now, when a form submit occurs in row A5 on sheet 1, sheet b now adjusts the cell references so that A5 in sheet b may now reference "=Sheet1!A6". That is, the reference sticks with the empty cell (row) - and now no cell/row in sheet b is referencing (mirroring) the new input in sheet 1 - all new inputs into the form submit spreadsheet go unreferenced.
So the question is, how can you reference form submission data that has not yet occurred --- it worked in old sheets, but not with new sheets. Does that make sense?
|Felicity_BB||11/13/11 9:30 PM|
Hi Joel--that question is probably off topic for this thread, and you might stand a better chance of getting an individual reply to your query if you start a new topic.
|berkshire12||11/14/11 12:26 PM|
@Jeff from Google: "For example, customizable styles is one we've consistently heard and one we do plan on adding before we automatically convert docs to the new editor. "
That was posted days ago. Now here we are on November 14th and my account has been switched to the new editor, with no option of returning to classic, and I don't see any customizable styles anywhere. Am I missing something?
Secondly, you mentioned the select few users who are asked to answer survey and provide feedback. Do you understand that survey data is one of the least reliable forms of research? Has Google considered the possibility of selection bias in those who choose to answer surveys when a window pops up, and the wide swath of the public you're missing when you do only offer the option of answering survey questions to a select few? Perhaps those who choose to answer and offer feedback, are those who feel confident doing so--that is, perhaps they are people who are more tech-oriented and don't experience the same challenges that the rest of we "average users" do.
For you guys, computers are life, they *are* the work you do. But for those of us for whom computers and computing are a tool and not an endpoint, we have trouble getting to our own particular endpoint when you keep messing with the tools. We don't need features that make for convoluted functionality, and we don't enjoy (as perhaps tech engineers do) having to fiddle around with settings and deal with minutiae. We want to sit down and know something is going to work, without wasting two hours of work time trying to figure it out or reorganize. The computer is not my life, it's how I do the work that *is* a huge part of my life, and I don't want this now ridiculously annoying tool to become the time-suck that it has because of Google's constant need to tinker. Don't you have enough work to do just improving basic behind-the-scenes functionality?
The fact that I'm even here offering feedback is so frustrating to me. It's like you're forcibly dragging me through the sausage factory to watch the god-awful process, when I just want to eat, dammit. The next thing I now have to do once I post this, is waste more time trying to find an alternative product to use that isn't going to continually force me to waste more time focusing on the tools of my trade, rather my trade itself.
|NessaJ||11/14/11 10:17 PM|
Well, the Google Docs home page changed over the weekend, I think. I managed to get the old one back, but who knows how long that'll last. :(
Like with the editor, it's way too much white space. It really feels like everything is bunched up together, like someone's thrown all the toys together in one box without any rhyme or reason, instead of organizing the toys, so it'll be neater and easier to find when we need them. In the old look, things are divided by the blue and I think the text being so close together makes it so the white background doesn't overload on you. Not to mention that the text in the new look is kind of faded out, nothing like the bold black text in the old look. The collection tags were also more visible. I could tell what's a collection and what's my actual document. Again, it looks bunched together while in the old look, with the box around the collection name, the two were separate and obviously separate.
The buttons are too big. I really don't understand this change. They were perfectly sized in the old look. And the small size gave us so much more room! I don't think the compact version gives us more room, so the old look had the ideal use of space! It was neat and compact.
I can't think of anything else, but if I do, I'll be sure to come back and list them. Again, like I said earlier, the old look is vastly superior to the new one, in my opinion. I cannot see why a revert option couldn't be provided for both the list and the editor. A simple option within the preferences. It allows those of us who are happy with the old look to go back to it while the users who like the new look can enjoy it. Does it really matter if Google has users who opt to use the old look?
Again, I don't really care about features and the old Google docs was just fine for me. It had almost everything I needed and what was missing certainly didn't require a layout and function overhaul. It's really upsetting to see it change like this. Please! Would you please add an option to return it to the classic look? Please?
|Kayazuki||11/15/11 4:01 AM|
To Jeff Harris or colleague:
I hope the message of a level 1 user is also read by you.
Thanks in advance for taking time to respond if you will.
I've filled in the survey in a detailed manner, indicating which things I do and don't like about the massive changes.
I have also continuously changed back to the Classic Look because of a consistent missing feature in the new look:
• You cannot drag the edge of the document tree to any required width (like before)
I work with descriptive folder + file names and a 4 to 5 level deep folder structure.
The descriptive names are needed to provide sufficient project management information.
When viewing the deepest folder level, up to 50% of the folder names are now cut off from visibility.
Is there any way that you can bring back/add that feature in the new system, please, so I can drag the tree separator back to the middle of the screen, like before?
Also, I found a bug, I think:
When I select a folder in the tree and then upload a file, it does NOT end up in that selected folder, but it's dumped in the root of the tree (only visible via Home).
This is now causing big problems and chaos since I'm using GDocs in my cooperation with another company, as a central project management database.
For the rest I think adding some color would indeed help people. I'm guessing this look is part of the total transfer to touchscreen technology, which is understandable.
If you want to change optical/functional things, wouldn't it be an idea ask users for ideas in some sort of voting system?
There are billions of users out there. Proposing some ideas and then running a poll could quickly represent the real opinion of 'most' people.
Required technology changes to optimize things for you and layout changes are not necessarily always, right?
|dandd123||11/15/11 5:28 AM|
I have been using my Google Documents to hold notes and character write-ups for my novel - the new format offers me absolutely nothing and takes away the simple aesthetic and text arrangements I liked. To me, simply forcing us to use your new version of Google Docs is uncalled-for and unpleasant.
|dandd123||11/15/11 5:30 AM|
Furthermore, I sincerely miss the old dark blue highlighting color; the new one is simply too light for me to see on my monitor without looking down at the screen from at least two feet above my normal head height.
|thebet||11/16/11 2:51 AM|
I see a very simple solution to all of this. Offer up the old classic docs as "pads", as in notepad/wordpad. There is nothing I like about the new documents but I can see how some people might benefit from using them with all the new bells and whistles. I don't need any of those fancy gimmicks. I just want to be able to write with my team and friends. The new documents are clunky with a slower loading time. Some of the people I write with have trouble loading a new document because their internet isn't good enough. I've noticed that even when on internet that is good enough, the loading is a lot more annoying. In the old documents I could open and a second later jump to the end of the file. In the new one, no such luck.
Just give us an option between fancy gimmicky huge editor and a low key user friendly wordpad, PLEASE?
I love gdocs and have used it for years but after all these changes I actually started looking for alternatives. The only one I found that sounded vaguely user friendly in the way I wanted? Was bought by Google back in the day. You're killing me here :(
|wswearingen||11/16/11 2:42 PM|
I just wanted to add my voice to the others that have posted here. I not only hate the new Google Docs look and feel, I loathe it entirely as well. The other members of my team have also expressed this feeling. When you were testing this new look out and gave us the option to switch back to classic view I did switch back to classic and I voiced my displeasure over the new look and feel. Our opinions seem not to have mattered at all so why ask for a survey? What is the deal with creating a Collection and then not being able to put your files into it unless you go through an "Organize" step to do it? Before I could click the newly created collection and the folder and all files would just upload into it directly - you have added this non-intuitive step to get there and the view is cluttered with the files and folders in two places now.
|Andrea D||11/18/11 4:38 PM|
Hi Jeff -
I realize this has been tough for you guys, and I appreciate your participation.
This thread seems to be an amalgam: some people are talking about the "new look" of the new editor, others are talking about the new editor itself. I'm talking about the editor itself, and I'm responding to your question: " If there are features in the old editor that you absolutely need (e.g. editing HTML, full width), please keep telling us."
That said: I've made my arguments in other threads, so let me simply reiterate that a fluid, output-agnostic width is it for me. Like Margaret C. above, with whom I agree entirely, I'll gladly disable sharing to retain a fluid-width option. Here's what she says:
[A] wider paper width will not work for me. I've tried that and when I work with my documents on my netbook it's pretty much unusable. [...] I understand that the new editor's sharing features require fixed positions, however, I do not ever share my documents so the argument falls flat for me. I'm not sure if it's a feasible possibility, but if I had to disable sharing entirely to get a full width option on my documents I'd be okay with that.
I'm unhappy about other changes -- like so many people here, the original editor was exactly what I needed (I've been using it since the Writely days), and the new one's advantages don't benefit me -- but fluid width is the clincher. That's what it takes for Google Docs to be useful to me.
|Blinder||11/25/11 2:02 AM|
You don't have to use Google docs as an editor - just use it as a cache and and use Open Office on your platform.
|NaokoKensaku||11/30/11 10:16 PM|
Has there been any updates on this?
|Yuki_Sempi||12/2/11 8:34 AM|
I'm sorry but I was so much more comfortable with the old version. I knew how to use it, and I knew how it worked. Now that it's changed and there is no option to go back, I hate it. I am really thinking of not using the google docs anymore. I want my Classic Look back now. I don't know how to work the new one and it's all weird. Everything is gone and I hate it. It's too different and to blah....I don't like it at all and I never will...
|NaokoKensaku||12/20/11 7:10 PM|
Happy Holidays, Google Docs team!
Still no solution to this issue? :3
|anna_78||6/14/12 1:36 PM|
My document is here https://docs.google.com/document/d/16v816g1X6fJ0rxEf7-F_hYyeOM6eAtOOIBe9-PIQEAw/edit
I spent quite a bit of time formatting it and most of the formatting has disappeared in the upgrade.
You should be able to see the original here https://docs.google.com/document/d/16v816g1X6fJ0rxEf7-F_hYyeOM6eAtOOIBe9-PIQEAw/vieworiginal?id=16v816g1X6fJ0rxEf7-F_hYyeOM6eAtOOIBe9-PIQEAw&token=AC4w5VgPr1b-u1oNRen7WA9bnKXzKIMW9g%3A1339704442000
It's quite annoying that I can see my original document, but not use it.
|hp12||6/25/12 5:26 AM|
I HATE the fact that now I have to edit my simple text docs in a view that looks like M$ Word. If I wanted another stupid word processor.... You changed my life, for the worse today, by auto converting my docs to some new stupid layout. I logged in and CAN'T GET THE OLD VIEW BACK so I can run my business again. How do I make the editing view of my document look like a simple text doc again without the stupid page layout borders and such???????????? If I can't view it the old way, I'm going to be looking for somebody else to host my simple docs.......
|Felicity_BB||7/5/12 6:48 PM|
Sorry, hp12 - you can't make it look like a simple text doc without the stupid page layout borders that are totally redundant on a web-based word processor for web-based documents.
|hp12||7/5/12 6:56 PM|
Yeah. Today I spent 2 hours copying and pasting my stuff into a competing cloud based product. Sort of sad to leave G docs after being loyal for so long, but oh well.
|hp12||7/5/12 7:00 PM|
The kicker was the stupid auto save that can't be turned off. The lag from every time I typed to when it finally showed up on the screen was unbearable.
|Felicity_BB||7/5/12 7:15 PM|
Do you mind if I ask which one you changed to? :)
|hp12||7/5/12 7:56 PM|
It's called Simplenote. Very simple web based editor that auto syncs with a very nicely done (and free) app for my iPhone. Allows for tags, but not much else. Perfect for my needs!