Did an official Google Channel Content ID me?

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Did an official Google Channel Content ID me? ugleeee 11/2/11 6:06 PM
"Your video may include content that is owned or administered by these entities:

Entity: eurozeitgeist Content Type: Audiovisual content"

http://www.youtube.com/user/eurozeitgeist

They brand themselves as a Google channel.  So are they legitimately a Google channel and is the content ID automatic or did a Google Employee have to affirm that they owned my video (which has no audio other than my voice and no software visuals at all)?

I mean, talk about getting a slap in the face from mom.  Ouch!  This will cost me hundreds if it goes on a few days, and I need that revenue with Christmas coming up.  I disputed, but it doesn't look like a channel that is maintained (they haven't uploaded a video in a year).

Anyway, if anyone knows if this is an official Google channel I'd be curious to know.  Thanks.
Re: Did an official Google Channel Content ID me? ugleeee 11/2/11 6:12 PM
I still can't figure it out.  Apparently it's a partnership between Zeitgeist and Google?  Who the hell knows, I just hope someone is sitting in front of a computer somewhere that will take care of it for me.
Re: Did an official Google Channel Content ID me? gbcali 11/2/11 6:50 PM
The adf•ly link on eurozeitgeist's channel page makes me suspect they're not legit.

@ugleeee - what's the url of your video?
Re: Did an official Google Channel Content ID me? ugleeee 11/2/11 7:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzHCDknFbDU

Ads have been off and on the past couple hours but judging by the impressions on adsense the revenue is not going to me.  The only reason I thought they were legit is that multiple outlets linked to them including several google employees (one on Google + and who seems like he checks out).
Re: Did an official Google Channel Content ID me? ugleeee 11/2/11 7:25 PM

All content owners have reviewed your video and confirmed their claims to some or all of its content:

  • Entity: eurozeitgeist Content Type: Audiovisual content

Now what do I do?  This is going to cost me hundreds (maybe thousands depending on how long it lasts) of dollars and ruin Christmas for my family.  I don't understand how it can be that easy to affirm ownership of content that doesn't belong to you?

Re: Did an official Google Channel Content ID me? ugleeee 11/2/11 7:26 PM
I can't contact them through their channel because you have to be a friend to contact them.  I don't know what to do and frankly I'm getting nervous about this.
Re: Did an official Google Channel Content ID me? gbcali 11/2/11 7:40 PM
The video is obviously shot and narrated by you and it's not even slightly an audiovisual match to anything on eurozeitgeist's channel.  This looks like a major failure of the Content-ID system to me.

Fyi, the adf•ly link goes to a YT account "terminated due to repeated or severe violations of our Community Guidelines."
Re: Did an official Google Channel Content ID me? ugleeee 11/2/11 7:43 PM
So what should I do?  Can you help me?  I know some of you guys have 'powers' to escalate things to Google representatives.  I would really appreciate some guidance here.  I'm a nervous wreck.
Re: Did an official Google Channel Content ID me? ugleeee 11/2/11 8:30 PM
This is an absolute nightmare.  I keep thinking I must be dreaming this.  Everything I read says that once your Content ID dispute has been reviewed and the other channel reaffirms ownership that there is no way to get your video reinstated.  This can't be happening.  I was just telling my wife 'thank god we have this Youtube money' because I was laid off of my full time job recently.

Someone please point me in the right direction.
Re: Did an official Google Channel Content ID me? gbcali 11/3/11 2:39 AM
escalated to staff
Re: Did an official Google Channel Content ID me? ugleeee 11/3/11 5:03 AM
Thank you very much gbcali.  The other thing I was wondering is if an unscrupulous individual with Content ID would purposefully reupload copies of popular videos knowing that content ID would flag them (when applying for content ID they apparently give you the option to include other channels, so it's possible that that 'entity' eurozeitgeist has other channels they use to upload copies.  That would be some huge scam though, although I never discount anything when it comes to scammers.  Also, you would think that content ID wouldn't match much older content to content that was uploaded recently by the claimant.

Who knows.  Thanks for escalating it for me though, I appreciate it.
Re: Did an official Google Channel Content ID me? darklordofdebate 11/3/11 8:38 AM
Just to chime in here as well so I can subscribe to the topic, this sounds like a situation where a lawsuit is your best option. Unlike most YouTube users, you actually can claim monetary damages on your video and since this defendant is a professional YouTube partner, they might actually have enough assets to pay substantial damages. Because the video is obviously your original content, this is a clear case of copyright fraud. Not only that, but you could very well have a claim against YouTube for allowing Content ID partners to perpetrate blatant fraud with no accountability and no effective appeals mechanism. I've been saying for a while that YouTube has gone way beyond existing copyright law with its Content ID system, and its actions in creating a system whereby copyright claimants can effectively permanently claim/block videos without ever having to prove copyright ownership and without any way to appeal that claim, could well fall under the legal doctrine of copyright abuse.

If I were you, I'd contact an organization like the Electronic Frontier Foundation (or if they cannot represent you, a local copyright lawyer) about suing both the claimant and YouTube for fraud and copyright abuse.
Re: Did an official Google Channel Content ID me? ugleeee 11/3/11 8:48 AM
I'm way ahead of you.  I've done both of those things, I just want to give partner support every opportunity to rectify this without me having to spend money I can't afford to (I flat out can't afford the $1500 attorneys seem to want up front).  I mean, the channel EuroZeitgeist represents themselves to be a partnership with Google.  Either they are legitimate and an organization with official ties to Google is effectively stealing from me, or they are not legitimate and the partnership should be terminated for representing Google or a Google partnership when they really have no ties to Google.  Like gbcali said, there are ad.fly links on their site, one of which goes to a channel that has been banned for violating Youtube guidelines, so they are probably not legitimately partners with Google in any way.

Hopefully partner support or the Youtube legal team looks into this for me and can see that it is clearly a content ID mistake since I have absolutely no audio other than my own voice on my video.  It's just my wife and I with me narrating.

I'll be sure to keep everyone updated.  This couldn't have happened at a worse time for me.
Re: Did an official Google Channel Content ID me? Teresa_ 11/3/11 9:14 AM
Having content ID myself, I am inclined to believe they uploaded your video private and have claimed it through content ID.  
Re: Did an official Google Channel Content ID me? ugleeee 11/3/11 9:20 AM
That's what I think happened.  It's the only way that kind of content could be matched, in my opinion.  You would think this would be kinda cut and dry if they just looked at their account.  I'm sure I'm not the only one they have done this to.
Re: Did an official Google Channel Content ID me? Teresa_ 11/3/11 9:43 AM
If it was uploaded on their channel, there should be a link to alert them.  Do you have an attributions link to prompt them to release the claim?
Re: Did an official Google Channel Content ID me? ugleeee 11/3/11 9:49 AM
I disputed it and they re-affirmed that they owned the content.  Now I apparently have no recourse and they are getting revenue from the ads on the video.  gbcali escalated it, so hopefully someone is looking into it.  I've also contacted partner support.  I've done a lot of reading about this and seen plenty of horror stories, but almost all of them contain some ambiguity with regard to music in the video or licensing of software or video game visuals.  I purposely do not put music in my videos for this very reason, to avoid something like this.
Re: Did an official Google Channel Content ID me? ugleeee 11/3/11 11:43 AM
The EFF doesn't seem to want to help directly (they are trying to refer me to someone who will do the work pro bono) and Youtube Partner support says they stay out of copyright disputes.  This is an absolute nightmare.  I can't believe it's as easy as saying you own something, and then you own it.  Youtube effectively took $20k/year from me and gave it to someone else.

If Youtube staff is paying attention to this thread, could you please chime in and say something to give me some hope?  That you're looking into the possibility that EuroZeitGeist is violating Youtube TOS by falsely claiming ownership of others' videos?  Please help me, this is my livelihood right now (unfortunately).  This is all I have.


Re: Did an official Google Channel Content ID me? darklordofdebate 11/3/11 12:18 PM
That's too bad EFF can't represent you themselves (I would have thought this would be the type of case they'd be interested in), but I hope they can at least refer you to someone. If I was already a lawyer I'd love to represent you myself, but unfortunately that won't be for another year. And it is so pathetic that YouTube won't do anything about this themselves. The Content ID system exists completely outside of copyright law and is YouTube's own private copyright system. It may use the term copyright, but it has nothing to do with the copyright laws of any nation, nor does it have any of the protections against abuse built in to real copyright law. It is their own private system of laws. Thus they should be held responsible for building a system that not only allows but encourages blatant fraud and abuse in this manner. YouTube claims to wash its hands of these matters and says it doesn't get involved in copyright disputes, but the fact is they are already involved because they gave these people the tools to commit this fraud. I would think that would count as negligence at the very least, if not outright conspiracy.
Re: Did an official Google Channel Content ID me? ytPaul 11/3/11 1:28 PM
Issue is resolved. Looks like you may need to re-monetize the video, but I think you should be free to do that now. Let me know if you can't or have any problems with that.
Re: Did an official Google Channel Content ID me? ugleeee 11/3/11 1:42 PM
Can I have your address so I can come over there and kiss you?  Thank you ytPaul, I really appreciate it.  I re-enabled monetization but I'm paranoid that it will be rejected so if you can please not completely abandon the thread until after it goes through I would greatly appreciate it.

Big thanks to ytPaul, gbcali, darklordofdebate, and tjw1963 for all of your helpful information and intervention to help get this fixed for me.

I'll let you know if I have any issues ytPaul.  It has ads up now though, so we'll see.  Thanks again.  This has completely lifted a weight off my shoulders!
Re: Did an official Google Channel Content ID me? darklordofdebate 11/3/11 3:56 PM
I am very glad this situation was resolved. But I have to wonder if it was only resolved in this case because (1) the user in question was a partner and therefore deserving of special status, or (2) the user was clearly contemplating legal action and YouTube just didn't want to get sued. There are perhaps hundreds of other users who have been similarly affected by YouTube's grossly unjust policy of allowing copyright claimants to unilaterally "confirm" their copyright claims through Content ID, without escalating to the DMCA notice and counter-notice process, which is what YouTube has publicly claimed is the way the process works.

One of my own videos was re-blocked by Content ID in this manner after I asserted a good faith belief that my use of the material in question was fair use. When I attempted to send a DMCA counter-notice, it was denied on the grounds that this was a Content ID problem not a DMCA problem--even though I had already filed a Content ID dispute and it was overridden by the unilateral confirmation by the copyright claimant. YouTube's Content ID system is clearly designed to allow anyone who claims copyright over someone else's video to serve as judge, jury, and executioner of their own copyright claim. As long as YouTube continues under this disastrous policy, incidents like this will only get more common.

I have been trying for months to get YouTube to do something about this issue. The closest I've gotten was getting in touch with one of YouTube's media relations people, Annie Baxter, whose only comment was that YouTube was "aware" of the problem and would take time to "contemplate" a solution. They are going to have to do much better than that if they want to avoid a nasty lawsuit sometime down the road.

At any rate, since this thread has now gotten the attention of a YouTube employee with the power to do something about this, ytPaul, could you please look at:

This other help thread: https://www.google.com/support/forum/p/youtube/thread?tid=0f05291533cc2907&hl=en
This blog post: http://fairusetube.org/articles/21-open-letter
And this news article: https://torrentfreak.com/youtubes-content-id-piracy-filter-wreaks-havoc-110908/

Those will show you just how bad this problem with Content ID really is. Please fix this! Thank you.
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