RUMBLEFISH.com is repeatedly stealing money from me by claiming copyright on my videos.

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RUMBLEFISH.com is repeatedly stealing money from me by claiming copyright on my videos. Zisteau 10/9/11 11:55 AM
Here's the story. I am a YT Partner, and I licensed classical music to use from Royaltyfreeclassicalmusic.co.uk. The piece is Night on Bald Mountain by Mussorgsky. I have a long video series and this music is in the intro of every video. 

Rumblefish, another music licensing company and a member of the content match system, has been claiming copyright on my videos featuring this music licensed from Royaltyfreeclassicalmusic.co.uk. I have disputed all of their claims through the dispute form. Only problem is they come back and confirm their copyright and there is nothing I as a single channel can do to further the dispute.

Both I and Royaltyfreeclassicalmusic have contacted Rumblefish and asked them to remove their dispute, but they refuse because they can continue to steal money from me knowing the system as it is won't punish them. 

Can a YT Partner forum mod give me a response on this and let me know what I can do?
Re: RUMBLEFISH.com is repeatedly stealing money from me by claiming copyright on my videos. TexasHighDef 10/9/11 12:26 PM
Looks like you are going to have to get a Lawyer to call them and tell them to stop or sue them. When they confirm it, your next move is court. I know it sucks. But YT has no way to tell who owns the rights and when someone files a claim. They have no choice in things. I have seen this happen a fair amount with classical music.
Re: RUMBLEFISH.com is repeatedly stealing money from me by claiming copyright on my videos. Rumblefish ID 10/10/11 1:21 PM

Zisteau,


Hey there Zisteau, Rumblefish here.  We wanted to reach out to you to answer some of your questions and offer a way forward in an effort to help you get where you're looking to go.  Most importantly, no one is stealing from anyone here.  Rumblefish isn't stealing from you, nor are you stealing from the artists whose music you're using.  Our goal at Rumblefish is simple and straightforward, to make it easy for video creators ( including YPPers) to use music while compensating the artists and labels that we represent.  Licensing music into social media has become increasingly complex and we've made it a big priority of ours to partner with YouTube and other video providers to stay ahead of the curve.  


Alright, on to your situation:


I believe that what you're aiming for is relatively simple, unless we've misunderstood your requests and posts.  Here's how we see the situation:


Your Goal ( which by the way is totally valid and worth pursuing):

To earn revenue from your videos as a YPP partner & still use awesome music in your videos so they aren't silent.


The Challenge:

Only one party can monetize a video via the current tools available via the YouTube Content ID / CMS system.  A separate video creator and a music creator can not BOTH monetize a video unless they handle that transaction outside of the YouTube CMS system.


What you're currently doing:

Purchasing music from music licensing websites online that do not accommodate for Content ID in any way (positive or negative).  They simply offer what is advertised as "Royalty Free" licenses but do not actually address Content ID or offer any guarantee to their customers that the music they license is not included in any online content ID system ( that's a difficult claim to even ask a library to make).  Therefore the company that you're licensing the music from, in this case RoyaltyFreeclassicalmusic.co.uk, isn't actually selling you a license that is not valid.  They are selling you a license that is absolutely valid, delivers on their promise and simply doesn't "cover" or "address" Content ID in any way.  You've likely purchased a valid synchronization license.  For your reference, here is a link to the license that you most likely purchased.  We wanted to make sure to read it to verify that it is completely "silent" on Content ID rights and that the music licensing company has not promised you anything that they haven't actually delivered to you which we "believe" is the case.  http://bit.ly/oFMnM1


Why Content ID Exists:

Content ID exists to pay creators, both yourself and the artists music who you are using in your videos.  You're both content creators and are both entitled to compensation for the use of your work.  Content ID makes it easier for YouTube to provide a free service to hundreds of millions of users so that creators AND YouTube can generate revenue while advertisers get value by reaching viewers.  That's a win for everyone.


Your options to earn revenue and achieve your result:

Rumblefish has a YPP music program for video creators exactly like you.  We have a large number us YPPers using our music catalog quite happily AND they are monetizing their videos and making good money for themselves while also compensating our artists.  If you're interested in the program, we'd love to speak with you.


Your other, non-Rumblefish options are:  

- Creating your own music

- Getting a guarantee from any "RoyaltyFree" music licensing service that the music they represent is not, and will not, be a part of a content identification service.

- Successfully requesting that artists / labels do not monetize the videos that you create using their music so that you can be the only party earning revenue

- Not using music

- Something that we're not aware of ( we're all ears if you know of alternate solutions for video creators)


Hope this helps, happy to have a direct dialog with you about it.  We sincerely would like to be a part of helping you achieve your goal of using great music AND monetizing your videos as we have for so many other YPPers.


All the best,


Rumblefish

Re: RUMBLEFISH.com is repeatedly stealing money from me by claiming copyright on my videos. rnickeymouse 10/10/11 5:45 PM
Rumblefish is gaming the system at your expense .. just pathetic.
Re: RUMBLEFISH.com is repeatedly stealing money from me by claiming copyright on my videos. Taofledermaus 10/10/11 6:56 PM
Good Lord,  what a sleazy practice.  
Re: RUMBLEFISH.com is repeatedly stealing money from me by claiming copyright on my videos. Mc Master 10/11/11 5:31 AM
Is anyone else finding it weird that whenever someone complains about a certain company or person that said person or company ends up responding? someone or some people have too much time on their hands.
Re: RUMBLEFISH.com is repeatedly stealing money from me by claiming copyright on my videos. Zisteau 10/11/11 10:21 PM
So after I've disputed all your claims against my videos and had Royaltyfreeclassicalmusic.co.uk contact you repeatedly to remove your claim on my videos, to which you've ignored both them and me, you expect me to pay you to use music after you've been stealing money from me? I will never ever give Rumblefish any money and I will tell everyone I know never to work with you.
Re: RUMBLEFISH.com is repeatedly stealing money from me by claiming copyright on my videos. Art0fEspeonage 10/11/11 10:58 PM
You tell them, Z!

To Rumblefish:
It just isn't right at all to abuse a system like that. Yeah, we all want to make a living, all that, but this isn't the way to do it. Honestly, where are your morals? Where is your respect? You come, try to word your argument so that it seems like you're with us, and while obviously trying to defend taking money you should be getting, you try to get Zisteau here to accept your terms so you can get even more money off of his work? If, at least, you came and told us straight what your intentions were, I would've respected your boldness. Now I see that you just rely on trickery. Deceit. Whatever you want to call it.

Zisteau, I can't do much, but I'm here to support you, as many others are, I'm sure.
(BTW, your new Legendary vid seems to be loading a bit slower than the previous videos...any ideas? Maybe it's just my connection..)
Re: RUMBLEFISH.com is repeatedly stealing money from me by claiming copyright on my videos. Inaar 10/12/11 12:21 AM
So what I'm getting here is that Rumblefish have taken it upon themselves to claim videos that use music that they themselves do not even own, in which means they have no claim at all yet no one can do anything about it...?
Wow, how low can our society get just to get money. He didn't get the music from Rumblefish which means Rumblefish has no basis to claim because of the music in Zisteau's videos. The only people that truly do are the artists of said music, and to be honest I hardly think they care about such a short snippet of their track being used, considering you can't usually instantly link music with a specific song. ALSO, that specific song was, from my research, last used in Fantasia and Fantasia 2000. Not by the original; copyright doesn't usually extend over 20 years unless redone and I'm pretty sure the composer Zisteau is using cannot claim copyright anymore since he's probably dead (over a hundred years can do that to you).

The music is free to use as unless fantasia had the audacity to claim it as their own (he's not using that version anyway) then no one has any claim over it.
Re: RUMBLEFISH.com is repeatedly stealing money from me by claiming copyright on my videos. greenflams 10/12/11 1:37 AM
LOL
Re: RUMBLEFISH.com is repeatedly stealing money from me by claiming copyright on my videos. SUPERtwinky 10/12/11 5:45 AM
 @Rumblefish: This is the pulled directly from the license you said didn't count for this use of the music...

‘The Licensee’ can: Alter/edit to the particular requirements of your project by cutting, stretching, looping etc. but not for the purpose of creating derived works.Use as background music with voice over for a video, audio and multimedia presentation such as meditation CDs, audio books or training videos.Use as background music in videos for Youtube, Metacafe, Myspace etc. ‘The Licensee’ must state the track name and composer/publisher information when required. (This information is included in your purchased download)

Now, look at the part in bold/italics. It says: Use as background music in videos for Youtube, Metacafe, Myspace etc. ‘The Licensee’ must state the track name and composer/publisher information when required. (This information is included in your purchased download). 

Now, how can you say his licence doesn't work on Youtube, if the license specifically says that it does?
Re: RUMBLEFISH.com is repeatedly stealing money from me by claiming copyright on my videos. SUPERtwinky 10/12/11 5:50 AM
@Rumblefish: I found this on the Youtube content ID page:
Who should not use Content ID?
This program is designed for exclusive rights holders whose content is frequently uploaded to YouTube by the user community.

since http://www.royaltyfreeclassicalmusic.co.uk was able to sell him a license for the music, you are obviously not an exclusive rights holder for the music.  Content ID was not designed for the purpose you are currently using it for.  Please stop.


Re: RUMBLEFISH.com is repeatedly stealing money from me by claiming copyright on my videos. Bob Richardson 10/18/11 1:32 AM
Hello, this is Bob Richardson from www.royaltyfreeclassicalmusic.co.uk
 
Rumblefish has kindly agreed to remove any copyright claims from Youtube videos containing 'Mussorgsky - A Night on the Bare Mountain'.
 
Just to let everyone know, we have over 800 Classical music tracks all ready for Youtube licensing and many othe uses including television, film, websites and music on hold etc. All our recordings are supplied to us with rights to distribute the music legally under contract with permission from the owners of the recordings.
 
We are very sorry to anyone affected by the content ID system and are working to make sure that this sort of thing does not happen again.