[Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour!

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[Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! YT Kendall 12/21/11 10:26 AM

Hey all, 

It’s been a few weeks now since we introduced the merging of Friends into Subscriptions. I thought it would be useful to outline how the Subscription Manager works so you can be sure to get the most out of this new experience. Below are some tips and tricks around getting started with the Subscription Manager.

You can also look at our Homepage Getting Started Guide, which is a much more visual representation of this post.

http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/static.py?hl=en&topic=2385994&guide=1728471&page=guide.cs

Finding your Subscription Manager

The intention of your Subscription Manager is to help make merging Friends and Subscriptions easier. You now have the opportunity to subscribe to those Channels which you find most interesting, or let your “Friends” remain Contacts in your address book. You can 

You can find the Subscription Manager through a couple different places on YouTube. Access it from your homepage by clicking the Subscriptions link in the left-hand navigation bar or through the See All link in the left-hand navigation bar, beneath your highlighted subscriptions.

Additionally, you can manage your existing subscriptions in your Subscription Center http://www.youtube.com/my_subscriptions . Here you can view all videos uploaded from each channel, add videos to playlists you have created, and edit your existing subscriptions.

Highlighting your favorite YouTube Subscriptions 

For quicker access to the Channels you visit most, click the image of the pushpin associated with that Channel. This will highlight those Channels in the left-hand navigation bar on your homepage. Remember that you can only highlight 10 Channels at a time. All your changes will save automatically. Return to your homepage to view your changes. You will find the Subscriptions, which you chose to highlight, will now be in the left-hand navigation bar on your homepage. 

The first 5 Channels you have highlighted will show in the left-hand navigation bar on your homepage. To see the remaining 5 highlighted Channels that you have chosen, click the See More link located in the Subscriptions area of your left-hand navigation bar.


2011-12-21

Merging your YouTube friends into Subscriptions

All instances of "Friends" have been removed from YouTube. Through your Subscription Manager www.youtube.com/subscription_manager, you can now subscribe to Friends' Channels. Those Friends who you choose not to subscribe to will remain Contacts in your Address Book. 

If you have previously "friended" YouTube users, you will see a notification in the top left-hand corner of the Subscription Manager which states "# YouTube Friends" Clicking on the Subscribe>> button will take you to the Subscribe to your YouTube Friends page. http://www.youtube.com/subscription_manager/friends. Here you can preview your Friend’s Channels, see basic stats around how many Subscribers they have and, on average, how many videos they upload a week, as well as Subscribe to their Channel. You also have the option to control whether or not you want to be aware of only their uploads or all their activity, and if you want to be emailed based on the activity of their Channel.

Adding new Contacts to your Address Book

To find your friends, now located as Contacts in your Address Book:

Click on your username in the top right-hand corner of the screen and select Inbox. Click the Address Book button in the bottom of the left-hand column.

To compose a message, click on one or many usernames using the checkboxes. Click the Compose button to bring up a message screen. Here you can add a subject line, body text and even attach a video you have made.

If you need to block someone, select one or many users to block by clicking the check box next to their username, then click the Block button. If you need to un-block a user you have previously blocked, click the Blocked Users tab located on the left hand column in your Address Book. Select the username of the Channel you wish to unblock and then click the unblock link.

If you would like to delete a contact, select one or many users to delete by clicking the check box located to the left of their username, then click the Delete button located at the top of the screen.

Sending messages to your Contacts

You can still make a connection with a Channel who is not already a contact (so long as the Channel has not selected the “Allow only my contacts to send messages or share videos” checkbox in their Privacy Settings). To send a message, navigate to your Inbox http://www.youtube.com/inbox and click the Compose button. Enter a valid YouTube username into the “To:” field, a message subject line & a message before clicking Send.

Sending a message to one of your existing contacts can be done through the process above, or by navigating to your Address Book. http://www.youtube.com/address_book, selecting a username and clicking the Compose button.

Looking ahead

- We’re working on delivering more ways to sort information coming through your feed: not only allowing you to view Uploads Only or all activity from your Channel, but having a better way to keep track of your Contacts’ activity throughout the site as well.

- We will be grouping similar Channel behavior together so your feed will be more focused and concise for Channels with a lot of activity. We are continuously working to improve our current way of displaying similar activity from Channels.

- Look forward to better organization around your Subscriptions in your Subscription list located to the left of your feed. We’re exploring ways to make sure the channels that appear there are relevant to you by highlighting the ones you interact with the most.


2011-12-21
As always, please feel free to add your questions & comments on this thread. The YT team and I will do our best to answer questions as they come in.

Thanks everyone & Happy Holidays,

Kendall & the YT team
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! chipmunkfanalways 12/21/11 5:59 PM
STOP WITH THE BS.. We liked things as they were! We are fighting you on this FORCED CHANGE!!!!
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! talkkoreanpop 12/21/11 8:42 PM
bring back the "add a contact" button.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! amysweetcake66 12/21/11 9:16 PM
AS I SAID IT AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN....

I want the Friends module back again.!!!

I don't want to subscribe all of them, just invite friends. And remove the crappy CONTACT feature away! It's so freaking lame.




Kendall, you and your teams need to be fired! 
Google has seriously ruined YouTube ever since they took over. THEY ALL CARE ABOUT MONEY, NOT US!!


Seriously, I really wish the new owner take over YouTube. And wish they:
- restore Friend module back
- return the old Channel layout
- return the old YouTube homepage layout
- return the old Bulletin Box


Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! block_rounder4 12/21/11 11:05 PM

 
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! PeterMayer 12/22/11 8:29 AM
so where is "add as a contact" if I go to someone's page??
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! pianorockrocks 12/22/11 9:32 AM
How do you block or remove a contact that isn't on your artificially truncated list of 3000 contacts of YouTube's choice? How do you send a "Contact Request" to someone?

When are you going to address the questions that have been asked of you for months now (even before the rollout of the "new look")? Remember, Kendall, we had a dialogue. You said you understood my concerns (and those of my producer) re: losing access to my 30,000+ friends. You said you were presenting those legitimate concerns to "the team." What became of that?
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! ytKARL 12/22/11 10:50 AM
@pianorockrocks To add someone as a contact (send them a contact request) outside of the friends manager, go to your Address Book and click on New at the top left of your page. You can add their name and username there, and their email if you know it. They'll receive a request after you've added them.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! talkkoreanpop 12/22/11 11:15 AM
@ytKARL they don't receive any request. when i add a contact, it says no invitation has been sent, but I don't even have the option to send an invitation.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! pianorockrocks 12/22/11 1:30 PM
@ytKarl - I second talkkoreanpop... I tried to send a contact invitation to my dad's test account, and he never got one. Nor does his account appear in my YouTube created list of 3000 contacts. This is a bug that really needs addressing. It simply doesn't work.
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Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! chipmunkfanalways 12/23/11 12:19 AM
Sending Al Qada in there will be the smartest thing al quada  ever did... You guys are the corporate mother fuckers we all  know you to be... CUT THE SHIT and ADMIT that you are only interested in overtaking every site on the INTERNET... I hope you DIE....
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! cjw77 12/23/11 3:05 AM
Can I ask why the subscriber count shown at the top of my channel only shows the number of channels subscribed to mine and does not include individuals who have subscribed to my channel?

Where can I find those people who are subscribed but do not have a channel please?
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! MrSean 12/23/11 3:55 AM
Please automatically make existing friends subscribers by default, because honestly it's extremely difficult to work out how to now manually subscribe to friends unless you google around. I have about 50 friends who were interested in my videos that now don't know what's going on & aren't subscribers.

C'mon.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! hiveship 12/23/11 1:04 PM
Where did Yt get the idea that friends and subscibers are the same thing??!!
Put back the friends feature and the add as friend button!
Now that subscibtions cannot be more than 2000 people were adding users as friends..thats no longer possible now and now i hear we cant have more than 3000 friends // contacts..what the hell is that all about ??!!
Yiu better fix all the bugs and glitches we have since this stupid change in design..
we dont like it, we dont want it..you say you listen to our feedback..you must be deaf..you dont hear what we say to you..
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! tahwos 12/23/11 4:57 PM
You can't reply to open topics??? You just keep posting new ones ~ this whole fiasco is a joke... of course, I see a reason for that - to keep your responses from being buried in all of the negative feedback...
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! hiveship 12/23/11 8:00 PM
Now we dont get notification anymore when a user wants to add us as friend // contact..
and lately no notifications from new subscibers either..
The only thing thats working iin this whole new design is the anger and confusion!
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! hiveship 12/23/11 8:02 PM
btw can someone from youtube explain to me why there is a limit of 3000 contacts ???
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! pianorockrocks 12/23/11 10:27 PM
@hiveship - "btw can someone from youtube explain to me why there is a limit of 3000 contacts ???"

Yes they can. Will they? Unlikely. I've been asking, no, make that begging for an answer, for three months. And it probably wouldn't make sense to me even if they DID explain it. :(

(As in "too many people were confused about the difference between friends and subscribers." Really??? Who would those people be exactly? I don't know ONE.)
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! woofwoofwoof 12/23/11 10:53 PM
People add me as a so called contact like 5 or 10 times every day. I accept all of these invitations, there is no change when it was called friends, but the thing is now I don't see my contacts rise, it's stays 3000. Are they actually added as contacts when I click accept and how can I see that? or are they deleted because I have a limit of 3000 contacts? where do they go?? and also I would like to know why 3000 and not 5000 or 10000 or 100000?

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STOP SOPA

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Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! djmambito 12/24/11 4:13 PM

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@ytKendall

Your probably dont read this,
cause you and ALL your collegues are fake..you post and then you never come back again
dont tell me that is not so..i´m here 4 years now probably much longer then you
so i know what im saying...OK !

You have to keep reading this thread untill you close it ...OK !
 
Now READ it !   and then you reply ...damn !
 
 
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The method to subscribe to your (former) friends
as described below (link) doesn´t work (anymore):
it worked only one time (30 clicks) i try everyday for 1 week now and its broken
http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=57958

the subscribe buttons when clicked change to "subscribed"
but when you leave the page and come back they are "subscribe" again.

The counter of friends i need to subscribe to dont change neither.
I have 100´s of friends still to do...any manual method is to much work.

I try all browsers...nothing works.

 

Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! gabilanyi 12/24/11 10:23 PM
The stripped-down and crippled contact management in the new design is practically useless. It seems quite unbelievable that at a time when you appear to try to compete on the social network scene you decide to blow away the minimal contact management and community building features that YT had. And it is mind boggling that you rolled out a half-baked, untested, sloppy product.
Your updates are completely ridiculous. You keep repeating the same nonsense over and over, without regard to anything people write on this forum, which you euphemistically call a "discussion," and without answering questions in any useful way.
Perhaps YT figures in some positive way in Google's business model, but for YT users the purchase by Google was a huge blow, and it started immediately with the forced merge of the Google and YT accounts. 
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! JoeAtlan 12/25/11 8:48 AM
Hello everyone :) This hasn't a lot to do and I already put it on more places but I need to keep letting everyone know about this. I really hope this is read by Google employees and people gives this the support it deserves.

I'm a musician & Youtube Partner. From Spain (so sorry for my bad english). I make videos on Youtube as JoeAtlan. Piano videos. If there is something that helps me carrying on with the music and the videos, that's being commented by people. Those are my best reward and treasure I can have, the feedback from people, that gives me their beautiful words which make me feel it's really worthy to compose and share my music.

Entering my Youtube channel and seeing in the main page new comments from people is the most beautiful design youtube can have. I personally take the time to answer them one by one, so I can meet a lot of new people and make musical friends.

But now is gone. To see the comments, you have to artificially click three times to open the "hidden gate" for the comments, to visualize a bunch of clear grey over white with a lot of space in between them. Hard to read, and the worst thing of all: There is a limit of comments shown, so the "OLD" COMMENTS ARE REMOVED.

This is truly sad for me, comments will no longer have any sense as they are now a treasure I liked to save and answer personally. If I take some holidays from Youtube, I will miss a lot of comments that will disappear forever and trust me, I've had comments than really were very important for me,don't take them away please, just put comment pages as everything else. If you're really going to do that, send me a .PDF with all my 1236 comments I have so far, so I won't lose them at least. I'm kind of insecure right now, hoping youtube won't put this definitive without asking or without I can save them... :(

My youtube URL is http://www.youtube.com/user/joeatlan

Thanks in advance.

Joe
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! madrasi 12/25/11 9:03 AM
Kendall's article is one of the more confusing and poorly written things I've ever read on this board. But perhaps that's because there is no rhyme or reason for this change, so it's almost impossible to write about it.
 
He wrote: "All instances of 'Friends' have been removed from YouTube" and then proceeded to talk about several references to Friends still on YouTube.
 
For example, the word Friends is still being used on these two links:
 
 
Bottom line: Change it back, Google! We want our Friends back!!
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! gabilanyi 12/25/11 9:24 AM
Kendall's "article" is a bunch of double-talk - meaningless cliches like the ones airlines write to you after they lose your luggage. "Your comments are important to us... We are making every effort to serve you better... Hope to see you on our next flight." People have invested great effort into building their community connections, and made that investment based on certain assumptions.
Time to start looking elsewhere... Videos can be uploaded to Facebook, too. It wouldn't take much to make those videos searchable.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! AntiPornographyBlog 12/25/11 10:23 PM
Dear YTKendall,

I have reviewed the information you have provided and still have questions:

1) How do I find out who my 5000 friends are that I lost who weren't subscribers, so I can then ask them to subscribe?

FURTHER INFO: I have over 7000 subscribers and as of a couple of weeks ago I had over 12,000 friends. I would like to find out who my 5000 friends are/were who were removed who weren't subscribers, so that I can then ask them to subscribe. How do I do that? I sent out a bulletin, but according to YouTube bulletins only go out to subscribers, so that effort was apparently useless.

NOTE: I would try and use my address book to help with this but I only have 3000 people listed in it. I have no idea who those people are, which leads me to my next question...

2) Who is included in the 3000 people in my address book?

A) People I'm subscribed to (1470)
B) People who are subscribed to me (7238)
C) Former/current friends (Was 12,000+)
D) People who have sent me emails that I've answered or not answered who are neither friends nor subscribers (Approximately 1-3000 or more over the past 4.5 years)
E) People I have sent friend invites to who never accepted (Likely 10,000+, as I have invited almost all commenters on my videos, which is approximately 25,000 people)
F) Some random sampling of all the above

3) How is it determined WHICH people in the above categories are included in my address book? For instance, if it's SUBSCRIBERS that are supposed to be in my address book, and I have 7000 of them, how is it determined which 3000 of the 7000 are included?

4) How can I find out which category or categories someone in my address book is in, when the only info I can see on them in my address book is whether or not I am subscribed to them?

5) If only a very small portion of users have over 3000 contacts, (according to you or YouTube), then why can't those of us who do have that many get all of them listed in our address books?

If you or anyone else can clear up any of the above questions, I would really appreciate it. Thanks! :-) 
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! gabilanyi 12/25/11 10:49 PM
And while you are answering the above, dear YTKendall, you may as well state all the limits that YT imposes on the various categories of contacts and on user communication (number of messages per day, number of comments, etc.)
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Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! pianorockrocks 12/26/11 12:42 PM
@AntiPorn... "5) If only a very small portion of users have over 3000 contacts, (according to you or YouTube), then why can't those of us who do have that many get all of them listed in our address books?"

Because there are MANY YouTubers who have more than 3000 friends, including most major partners. Want an example: "Fred" has over 1,000,000 friends. I follow many people on vidstatsx.com, and it's easy to see the numbers. Almost EVERY major YouTuber has many more friends/contacts than 3,000. I myself lost over 30,000 friends when my address book was arbitrarily truncated to YouTube's choice of 3,000. The "small portion" probably refers to the vast majority of Tubers who don't upload and create, but just watch. They probably have few friends.

Imagine having an email address book with yahoo, google, or whoever and waking up one day to find out that they arbitrarily erased most of it without even giving you warning and a chance to save the contacts most important to you. Unthinkable, really.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! argstudio 12/26/11 12:56 PM
I had 8200 friends and 1600 subscribers, and now I have 3000 contacts.  Exactly 3000.  The so-called address book is pretty useless if you ask me, since it only lists 3000 of my more than 8000 contacts.  I don't see any way to do anything with it.  The old address book was fairly functional and useful, so they threw it away.|

btw the new Analytics are not working at all, freezing up for a week at a time and giving contradictory information in several places.  This whole place is now so buggy that I want to go find a can of Raid.  Why can't you ppl leave well enough alone?  Your core users are really getting torqued.  And these useless, broken changes to the site are coming more rapidly all the time.  Is this what they call "floundering" ?

It doesn't do any good to complain here, that's one thing I know for sure.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! madrasi 12/26/11 2:07 PM
Here is a chance to vote on keeping the new YouTube layout and features, versus restoring the old layout and features:
 
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! AntiPornographyBlog 12/26/11 6:48 PM
@pianorockrocks

Thank you for your response. Needless to say I very much feel your pain about all of the friends and contacts that you lost. Trust me, I know from personal experience that it must have taken a great deal of time and work to buildup that large of a community for your channel. :-(

And I agree that it would completely unthinkable for any other major Internet service to arbitrarily delete thousands of contacts in people's email address books, especially without clear and repeated prior warnings in multiple locations, and without providing a method to somehow download, transfer, archive or copy all of the contacts that would soon be removed. It boggles the mind that YouTube would even CONSIDER such an unprofessional and disrespectful action that they themselves would be OUTRAGED about if someone did it to THEIR own personal or professional address books. 

The basic life rule of "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you," would be a good policy for YouTube to seriously consider and start following. In light of the reality of karma and the consequences of bad public relations because of poor customer service, it is in their best interests to do so.

In any case, I decided to look up exactly what YouTube said regarding how many YouTube users have (or HAD :-( ) had more than 3000 friends. Here is the quote below:

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YTKendall wrote in a post from Dec. 12, 2011:

- ONLY ABLE TO SEE 3,000 CONTACTS IN ADDRESS BOOK, EVEN IF YOU HAVE MORE: 

Before implementing this change, we investigated the amount of friends each YouTube user has. We found that the number of YouTube users with more than 3,000 friends is actually incredibly small. However, we understand that those of you with more than 3,000 friends have strong feelings about this change and we want to provide a solution that suits everyone. In the future, those of you who are looking to remove contacts from your list of 3,000+ contacts in the address book will have a way to remove these users. Again, I will keep you updated on what solution we will be putting into effect.

http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/youtube/thread?tid=67b250e67e01c302&hl=en

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So I don't know what the truth is, but if indeed the amount of users with over 3,000 contacts is "incredibly small," then once again, I don't see the problem in allowing them to kept and displayed by those users. 

What is also missing from the above explanation is a reason WHY the address books have been limited to 3000 contacts. Additionally, what is written above makes it seem like just giving us the ability to remove contacts on the list is the only thing we are upset about or might want returned to us. This is not the case. 

What users who had over 3000 contacts want is exactly what anyone at YouTube would want if someone went into their address book and deleted thousands of their contacts without asking, which is: ALL CONTACTS RETURNED -- with full information provided for each contact as to whether or not each contact is a subscriber, someone we subscribe to, a friend (or former friend), someone we have sent a friend invitation to who hasn't accepted it yet or who has rejected it, etc. In other words a full understanding of why that person is in our address book!

I look forward to YouTube deciding to do what is ethical and returning our friends AND our address books IN FULL. (As described above.)

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Thanks in advance for that, YouTube! We just want to LOVE you and be able to work with your system again, so that we can get back to spending our time uploading, watching, and sharing videos, (with our communities that we have worked so hard to build over the years), instead of posting here in this forum!  :-) 
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Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! Teresa_ 12/27/11 1:54 PM
Since contacts (formerly friends) no longer see our activity stream,  I want a way to get rid of all contacts.  You just made it easy for the spammers, who have harvested names through 3rd party services, to spam the most active users.  They no longer see my content through the activity stream, yet they can easily send me their shared videos because I am an active user.  

You have catered to the spammers! I want contacts to see my activity or a way to bulk purge all contacts.  The only reason I accepted friend requests was the mutual activity stream.  Now there is no purpose for contacts. 
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! AntiPornographyBlog 12/27/11 2:54 PM
@Witchfinder _General -- You're welcome! Happy to help. :-) 
Thanks for all that YOU are doing to help get YouTube to keep the old layout and design. 
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! singerandasong 12/28/11 8:26 AM
YOUTUBE PLEASE NOTICE THAT ALMOST ALL OF YOUR TOP 100 CHANNELS HAVE KEPT THE OLD DESIGN. There is a reason VEVO and UNIVERSAL MUSIC GROUP still have the Old Design. Those few channels that are using the New Design will change back once they realize the number of views are dropping due to the unfriendliness of the New Design. Please listen to this message the decision of these channels to remain with the Old Design has to tell you something.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! madrasi 12/30/11 12:01 AM
If all instance of friends have been removed from YouTube, then why when I click the button to post a bulletin does YouTube tell me that the "Bulletin will be posted to your subscribers' (170) and friends' (10) homepages, and your channel page."
 
So I do have 10 friends? Who are they? Where can I see a list of them?
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! village1diot 12/31/11 6:42 AM
I hate complaining about change...I'm sorry, "progress", but on a site that is all about personal expression, where is the personality that channels should be able to express?

No friends, but you have "contacts" tucked away in case you need to get a hold of them. This is how every good executive handles friends, and everyone wants be an executive.
-Thanks, how professional of you. I actually liked my friends.

No crazy, fun, or otherwise interesting comments for all to see on your channel page. But, hey! we are making things better for everyone. We know this is true because we say it is.
-You make it difficult for personal expression and interaction with others. I guess it leaves more time for everyone to make videos for YouTube. Revenue is what is important.

We want everyone to express themselves, but only with these "outstanding" options we provide. We know they are what you want because we say that is what you want.
-Thanks everyone will get back to making you money now.

This change reminds of an old saying by some wise men, "You can do it your own way, as long as you do it just as I say"
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! barzakh 12/31/11 9:15 AM

This paragraph you wrote below.. it has nothing on how to 'add' contacts to the address book.

Adding new Contacts to your Address Book

To find your friends, now located as Contacts in your Address Book:

Click on your username in the top right-hand corner of the screen and select Inbox. Click the Address Book button in the bottom of the left-hand column.

To compose a message, click on one or many usernames using the checkboxes. Click the Compose button to bring up a message screen. Here you can add a subject line, body text and even attach a video you have made.

If you need to block someone, select one or many users to block by clicking the check box next to their username, then click the Block button. If you need to un-block a user you have previously blocked, click the Blocked Users tab located on the left hand column in your Address Book. Select the username of the Channel you wish to unblock and then click the unblock link.

If you would like to delete a contact, select one or many users to delete by clicking the check box located to the left of their username, then click the Delete button located at the top of the screen.

Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! gabilanyi 12/31/11 9:48 AM
I entirely agree, village1diot. YT's arrogance is matched only by their ignorance and the tastelessness of the new design. This move, altogether, is quite amazing. Small differences in user interface can make the difference between life and sudden death on the net. Remember MySpace? It went from riches to rags in no time for very subtle, small mistakes in the user experience they provided. If somebody with a global presence (Facebook, Amazon, whoever) can now step into the breach, this change of design may be remembered as the beginning of the end of YT.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! Teresa_ 12/31/11 9:48 AM
Friends has been abused for a long time and was never geared toward real social interaction.  You can only delete 25 contacts at a time.  Contacts no longer see your activity stream.  Friends would see your activity stream.  Contacts serve no purpose. No way to search contacts.   At this point, just get rid of contacts all together and start from square one with something that could actually be useful.    I would rather have my gmail account integrated to YouTube, instead of the mess we have now.  I have much more spam control, search for people/messages, grouping.  With gmail, when someone replies back to me a month later, the original message is there so I know what they are talking about.  YouTube has the worst mail and communications.  If you drill down,  you will find many of use do use YouTube mail frequently.  You make it harder than it needs to be with a poor interface. 


Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! Teresa_ 12/31/11 10:32 AM
The channels that don't upload as frequently get buried beneath the other channels, if they even show up in recent uploads.

I would like easy access to http://www.youtube.com/my_subscriptions from my homepage.  That is the only reliable source for uploads.  

I am not interested in trending, popular, music or entertainment.  Those categories are the same group of people forced down our throats for the past few years.  Of course they are going to be popular when you give them top placement all the time!  Howto&Style is the same makeup channels over and over. It seems no one else exists in Howto&Style other than makeup channels.  The beauty companies get cheap product placement by sending free product samples to every person who makes a makeup video.  That bumps the algorithm to favor beauty products so no one else in Howto&Style can get through.  What about those of use in the Arts?  
 
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! barzakh 12/31/11 10:34 AM
youtube and facebook's attitude is arrogant .. they serve themselves and not the consumers.. little do they realise if they kept this attitude up .. people will eventually get tired of them and some other competition will replace them!
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! Teresa_ 12/31/11 11:28 AM
Stop over looking the Arts and DIY!  We would like our own category and our content more readily available. 


Bob Ross has been dead for 17 years yet plays on CreateTV every day.

Nancy Zieman of Sewing with Nancy has been on Public Broadcasting since 1982, over 30 years and still popular as ever.

This Old House has been on since 1979

Julia Child started in 1963 teaching cooking, died in 2004 yet plays on many cable channels to this day.  
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! kazanjianm 12/31/11 12:10 PM
I completely agree with Teresa. I love teaching and exhibiting my own art on YouTube and I have spent countless hours making videos over the last three years. Visual Artists of all media are using video as a means to exhibit their work, show their processes and teach each other. This is UNPRECEDENTED in history. There are tens of thousands of Art channels on youtube but we cannot fully see the scope of our contributions because there is no category that fits us! Like Teresa said, Howto and Style is dominated by makeup tutorials and Education and Film and Animation do not truly categorize us either. We need a category to bring us together. 


I V-Logged about YouTube's role in art history:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUbFbqv8qkc

And I documented the top 25 visual arts channels (subscriber wise): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfY0QwrGF7s

And tried to identify unrealized artistic talent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6DggtFg8DQ

Please consider our request. There are many others who feel the same way!
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! Teresa_ 12/31/11 12:14 PM
Merrill - I have added your video references so they are easily accessed. 
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Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! pianorockrocks 12/31/11 5:05 PM
First, tjw1963... I really do totally agree with you about the Arts and their place on YT

However...

Back to the subject of this thread: I STILL would like to know how to access my 30,000+ friends/contacts that YouTube has arbitrarily removed from my list of (their choice) 3000. How can I remove one that isn't in "the list"? How can I block one that isn't in "the list"? How can I add a contact in such a way that the notification will be received by my intended contact?  (The method described upthread doesn't work.) Where does that contact go, if my list already has 3000 in it?

I've asked these questions for two months (since before the rollout of the "new YT") and have been consistently ignored. I think I've been polite and non-combative, but I really do believe these questions need answering.

And BTW, Happy and Prosperous New Year to all!  Users, creators, TCs and staff.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! AntiPornographyBlog 12/31/11 6:27 PM
Dear YouTube,

I too would like to politely request answers to the questions pianorockrocks asks above, as well as answers to the other questions I have asked earlier in this thread, especially the list of questions I asked on 12/25/2011.

Thank you in advance for helping us to understand and use YouTube as best as we can under the circumstances.

Happy New Year to everyone! May 2012 be the year that YouTube returns to the fantastically wonderful user-friendly site that it was for most of 2011 and for the years before that. EVERYONE will win that way. :-) 
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! able-12 12/31/11 10:10 PM
it is 12:01 AM 01/01/2012 in Dallas TX, and I officially begin my boycott of THEIR TUBE (used to be You Tube), for the next 24 hours I will NOT LOG IN - will NOT WATCH anything, THEIR TUBE or GO-OGRE related.   Who knows if i survive this i may make the boycott permanent!   


OH YEA - IT'S ON !!! THEIR TUBE (formally You Tube) - you don't need me?  I DON'T NEED YOU!!!
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! Teresa_ 1/1/12 10:35 AM
As schools close their doors to art programs, we provide above and beyond what the schools ever offered.
This is our calling, our gift, our passion!  

Those of use in the Arts would like to shine!  

Watch and share this video by  kazanjianm .  

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Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! popsngwriter 1/1/12 12:35 PM
We now return you to your regularly scheduled topic.

Put me on the list of those who request an "Add As Contact" button to the new layout. That would solve almost all of these problems. Also, if someone could explain how the random 3000 contacts were chosen for the address book, I'd be most grateful. Perhaps allowing us to replace names we don't know with names we do (and want there) and expanding the list to say 10,000 would be a good compromise.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! Teresa_ 1/1/12 2:21 PM
@JazzyJBabe -  Our channels and content would become subscriptions if people could find them.  

I thought all of of you would be busy boycotting YouTube today!  
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! Nikolai Jonasson 1/2/12 3:34 AM
Hello,my name is Nikolai Jonasson also known as SuperNikolai1996(on youtube).I came here after a video I saw the other day,the video was made by a well known(famous)artist on youtube---Merrill Kazanjian.


Please youtube,make a visual arts category!
If musicians,directors...have a category why can't artists get one to?
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! GrandStudable 1/2/12 12:04 PM
I agree with Merril! I would love to learn how to draw, and I am already doing so with the tools youtube has provided me with, more specifically, the tools the artists at Youtube have provided me with. I would love to enhance my artistic skill to its top potential, hence why, im asking you to please add a Visual Arts category. Thank you.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! SimJaTa 1/2/12 12:54 PM
Must also agree with Merril, one of the great art teachers who without knowing it has taught me to draw from having no art skills at all, along with the help of the Shoo Rayner Drawing Channel.  I visit youtube nearly every day to watch the many art teaching videos out there, and to admire the work of artists.
 
Please can we have a Visual Art Channel.
 
Thank you.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! popsngwriter 1/2/12 1:02 PM
Visual Arts folks: I absolutely agree 100% with your sentiments, and if the request were made in the right place... that is "Feedback & Suggestions," I'm sure I would get behind it, as would many of us.

I just don't understand (very respectfully) why it's so important that you express those desires HERE, in a topic clearly not devoted to the subject.

This topic is clearly about "Friends & Subscriptions." Please, let us discuss those issues that are so important to many of us. We're unhappy that the "friend" functionality was taken away. That has nothing to do with the establishment of a long-needed "Visual Arts" category.

@tjw1963 - I've been on your channel. It's wonderful. You have nearly 90,000 subscribers, are excellent at what you do, and have helped many people. Please start a topic (that many more people will see because it's correctly placed and titled) addressing your concerns. I will show up and lend support, because I believe in your cause.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! JazzyJBabe 1/2/12 1:46 PM
My friends and I like the same video genre and when I visited their channels I could tell by their 'favorites' what's hot and what's not. We also exchanged tips and questions on how to make videos. I really loved to see what videos they watch and enjoyed chatting with them on the video comment boards.
Thanks to the new layout I can't even FIND my friends anymore as they got lost in a pile of contacts and subsriptions.
The removal of the 'Friend Modules' was a MAJOR setback!
YT and its new well polished grey layout is the most impersonal place I've ever seen in the internet.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! popsngwriter 1/2/12 1:51 PM
Amen Jazzy :) ...  The REAL issue is that if we don't remember our friends EXACT screen name, we can no longer access them. At least when we could SEE our friends, or find them in a well-ordered alphabetized list, we could find them even if we couldn't EXACTLY remember their user names.

This point has been made over and over to the youtube staff and they've turned a deaf ear on it. I manage several channels for others. They all have a lot of friends, and they're all upset about this.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! Teresa_ 1/2/12 3:11 PM
I didn't get almost 90,000 subscribers by listening to the people who told me my channel was crap or to go away.  I know what I am doing.  

Feedback and Suggestion is file 13 for the YouTube forums and infested with trolls. By suggesting to move the topic means you don't care.  This is something I have been suggestion for over 4 years.  Right here in the sharing and connecting forum on YouTube, on a thread where there is a Google Employee at the top is the best place.  
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! Teresa_ 1/2/12 3:19 PM
I support Friends being gone and hope it never comes back. I hope contacts go away as well.  I know I am tired of people using services like tubetoolbox to harvest friends from my channel and then spam me. That site violates the YouTube terms of service.


Third-Party "Subscription Services"

Recently, some partners and advertisers have inquired about so-called “subscription services” that claim to increase subscribers and views while complying with the YouTube Terms of Service.

For most of these companies, those claims are false; the purchase or gaming of subscribers, views or any other channel features is a violation of our Terms of Service. If detected, the behavior could result in the suspension of your account.

Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! Guessowii 1/2/12 3:21 PM
Please listen to the people and change back to the old format.

the new one is so god dam stupid
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! GodlessManitoban 1/3/12 1:04 AM
Restore the blocking feature.
Fix the "Allow only contacts to send messages and share videos".

Please, I am tired of getting spammed.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! GodlessManitoban 1/3/12 1:06 AM
I am tired of sub4sub(dot)com messages from spammers.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! jakeniallfoster 1/3/12 11:05 AM
Was it hard to manage the metadata associated with Friends/Contacts/Subscriptions?  I assume it was either difficult or it imposed a significant processing burden or you wouldn't have risked alienating your committed users by the merge.  It really seems like it should have been trivial when compared to the task of managing larger video files.  Also, if I was an advertiser, your decision might give me pause.  Seems like having insight into user friends might have been helpful in targeting advertising content.  I'm guessing that if you asked either Larry Page or Mark Zuckerberg if differentiating between contacts, user friends and subscribing to content providers should be easy and valuable for increasing revenue, they would agree with me.  BTW, I'm a loyal YT user.  This change perpetuates that YT creates the content and people primarily share that content socially on Facebook.  Why would you want to reduce the social nature of YT?  I was hoping eventually to spend less time on FB and more on YT.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! Teresa_ 1/3/12 12:45 PM
@Jakeniallfoster - I had hoped for more social interaction and would prefer to do everything on YouTube as well.  Maybe a chat feature.  Google+ was introduced.  It has some cool tools and chat but then we are starting from square one again. My Facebook page has 40,000 likes, double the subscribers on YouTube.  I would love to do a live chat with my subscribers without being on camera.  Google+ has the chat feature but everyone is on FB and YouTube.  I would think chat would be brought in to YouTube as well.  There is chat on live stream but we can't do a live chat alone.  Live chat would be a great tool and way to communicate.   In order to make full use of live streaming and chatting at the same time you really need two people.  A lot of us are working alone.  

Any type of friends/contacts should be completely private and internal with full privacy features and blocking features.  It is no ones business who we have as friends.  Right now Contact/Friends is just spam and easily harvested by the bot sites.  We should be able to customize our contacts with different labels.  We should have a search when looking for a specific friend.  


Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! AllRespectDue 1/3/12 2:40 PM
All I've gotten in the past 4 months are SPAMMED "contact suggestions" No more REAL friend invites from people who are generally interested in being friends. I used to get at least a few a week ... now it's ALL SPAM.

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheJamesPope
http://www.youtube.com/user/goldfidelitydotcom
http://www.youtube.com/user/PrismaSounds
http://www.youtube.com/user/nicfanciullidj
http://www.youtube.com/user/darkgrapeful
http://www.youtube.com/user/BigHotSon
http://www.youtube.com/user/KANALTELEMEDIAL1
http://www.youtube.com/user/FederlandTV

Plus another 10 MORE .....ALL SPAM.......no interest in ANY of them .....not to mention the ones i've already deleted.

Ok, people want to promote their stuff.... I can understand that ...all I have to do is click "ignore" problem solved.Right?
Not that hard...but tell me WHY is this all Im getting regarding contact requests ... ?  You want to shove your garbage down my throat right?  and Be a mindless consumer to benefit who? you? the establishment?  more and more crap that people don't want and not interested in.

YouTube had the ability for the user to be in control over what they are interested in, not some jerk off program designed to spam the shit out of people, and that's what your turning it into.

Millions ditched T.V. because of senseless advertising and garbage commercials to witch they virtually had no control but to sit their and take it.

Go ahead ... try and do that to YouTube, CANT you see people wont tolerate this ? Your pissing people off WITH VIDEO CAMERAS lol ...... smoooth move and youtube/google (fuuck I dont know what to call it anymore) trys to counter that by messing with search results, it's plainly obvious you are cheating us.

I doubt you'll be able to have both worlds jive here, in fact I'm 99% sure it WONT WORK because the one's with the most money that think they can just BUY everything are just shooting themselves in the foot. No one like their shit and you're selling it to them. The more you try and make it "Look Good" the more bugs you create and disable the original design of this site.

CHANGE FOR BETTER NOT FOR WORSE
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Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! singerandasong 1/3/12 11:24 PM
I tried to find a solution and I came up with a YouTube like website that is actually sort of like a portal to YouTube but it allows you to start building community through Subscribers, Friends, Messages, etc. Here's a brief blurb from the site www.IndieToob.com . Check it out and let me know what you think.

IndieToob is a video sharing site that has been created to fill the void made when YouTube decided to make major changes to its design. We still encourage all video producers to upload their videos to YouTube. IndieToob is the site where you can have all (or at least as many as we can figure out how to provide) the social aspects that YouTube once had, Subscribers, Friends, Comments, Messages, etc. The beauty is that since your videos are on Youtube and merely embedded on IndieToob you get full credit with YouTube for every view.

Please encourage all of your Subscribers, Friends and Contacts to visit your new IndieToob channel and to Subscribe to it. Help spread the word.


Go ahead take that first step and create your own channel and modify it the way you want and then start embedding videos from your YouTube channel. Please do not actually upload any videos. We can only allow the embedding of YouTube videos. Backgrounds can be changed including the color of the background or you can add images. When you embed a video you get to use a thumbnail of your choice. Select an image that is rectangular and about the same proportions as the video or the program will stretch the image and make it look odd. While the background can be changed, at this point, we don\'t have the ability to allow further customization but, we are working on it. If the program seems to freeze (there are glitches) just click on Save or Update then click on something else. As long as you clicked on Save or Update first, everything seems to be alright.

Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! itsdownhillfromhere 1/4/12 2:23 AM
There is no longer an option in video settngs to allow only 'Friends' to comment on videos without approval - this is not helpful at all, people I know/trust who I add as friends I would like unfettered interaction with my channel.
Apart from the fact that Block User still seems to be borked, I've selected "Allow only my contacts to send messages or share videos" and yet I still get private messages from people - this I do not want as most of it is spam.
The new profile design - well, less said about that the better really, I returned to the old design after the new one was forced on me, but if that option is ever removed then I guess it'll be 'byebyetube.com'.
If you want to add more useful features give us better facilities for reporting abuse, spammers and generally those who louse things up for the rest of us, that way we can at least try to slow the speed at which the content on this site is spiralling downwards in terms of quality and usefulness. But really, the friends thing wasn't a good idea to remove, as the comments on this and it's preceeding thread will attest.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! noedolekcin2 1/4/12 1:51 PM
Since google took over this site, IT SUCKS! Where went wonderful time go where you can see all features in one, had a nice starting-page and can be FRIENDS with other youtubers? IT'S ALL GONE (or should i say: GOOGLED?). And besides: Google has their own videoplatform, right? But they were jealous: They bought youtube and made a big google-carnival out of it. >_>
 
So if i was you Kendall, I should bring back the old -and much better- youtube at once! >:(
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! pretigryl 1/4/12 6:48 PM
another vote for THE WAY IT WAS... re: friends and subs
and i'll never use the new channel look cuz you can't see people's comments--- i like the social nature of YT.... HELLO.... anyone care???
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! madalpal 1/5/12 1:05 AM
FRIENDS BACK NOW!!
Can you imagine Queen signing: "You're My Best.....Contact"???
Or the BEATLES singing: "With a Little Help From My......Contacts"???

Is that the YouTubeBoobs next cynical plan....to take away all the videos with "FRIENDS" in them & replace it with "Contacts"????
And replace all the color in those videos with all shades of beautiful Gray????

"Ain't it Good to Know You Have a ......Contact"????
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! madalpal 1/5/12 1:10 AM
......"The YT team and I will do our best to answer questions as they come in.
Thanks everyone & Happy Holidays,
Kendall & the YT team"
12/21/11

OMG......ARE YOU KIDDING ME????......LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!

HAHAHAHA!!!! LMAO....WHAT A GOOD ONE!!!!


Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! Guessowii 1/5/12 2:24 AM
YT team does not care, nobody is answering us
please give us our old layout back - the new one is horrible
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! Teresa_ 1/5/12 6:58 AM
Why not just let everyone personalize their contacts/friends and label them according to different interests.  On Facebook people can choose to show friends or keep them private.  

My Facebook business page hides all of my LIKES to keep them from being harvested.  If YouTube had something on YouTube like my FB business page, all my needs would be met.  When people finish projects, they could upload a picture on my YouTube business page and I could see it.  Not everyone has access to video.  Even another tab on my channel for people to share images.  

I want to do my social networking on YouTube.  While there are some features on FB that I like, I spend most of my time on YouTube. There are a lot of people who are trying to express this feeling but no one is listening.  HELLO, is anybody home???!!!

Contacts serve no purpose for me right now and is taking up space where I could customize my subscriptions that I can't find.

This is the most logical place to find new subscriptions.


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Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! thmv1musicvideos 1/6/12 12:24 AM
Most members want to see their friends and friends channel icons on their channel page like it was before why hide them now in an address book? We had over 500 friends on our channel page that are pretty much lost now or hidden We chose our friends modules to help display our friends also not add them to subscriptions keep the friends and subscriptions separate and on the channel page imho  TY!
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! madalpal 1/6/12 1:19 AM
@ Witchfinder_General: Thanks for your help.
Even if the rate was 30% for the old option, any ethical company would want to address & make sure that those people were heard & try to make accommodations or at least some negotiations/compromises.
At 50% that means 1 out of 2 feel the same way & that is extremely important! 60% is a majority...80% almost all people are on-board....over 90% ....overrides the company's resistance to changing back & there should be a major policy announcment & apology for choosing to ignore us...the we....that makes up the You..in YouTube!
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! Teresa_ 1/6/12 4:57 AM
There are 3rd party bots who harvest friends and subscribers from the channel page. I don't have a problem with subscribers or friends being on the channel page, as long as 3rd party bots are not permitted to harvest and exploit my demographic.  Until the 3rd party bots are stopped, I prefer them to be private.   

My private email account is private, created by Google, so there is no reason why YouTube can't create a private way to customize contacts internally and keep them private.   

While I am on the topic of communication, the messaging has been less than adequate for years.
When you reply to an email, the old message should be in the reply.  A lot of my subscribers have limited access to the Internet.  I reply to their messages but it could be weeks before I hear back from them.  I do get several messages. I have to look through pages of messages to see what they are talking about, if I have not already deleted the message.  It makes most sense to respond to messages and communicate on YouTube.  

How is it Google can map out Mars yet, YouTube messaging and contact privacy is like riding in a covered wagon?! I am off to build a campfire so I can send a smoke signal bulletin to my viewers.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! stalker1918 1/6/12 8:32 AM
У меня был такой красивый список друзей и вы его уничтожили! You-Tube, верните списки друзей!
Give us the friend list back!
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Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! Guessowii 1/6/12 3:06 PM
Google, they said nothing about how much people DO HATE this update.

We gave tons of feedback, then they fucking disappeared. 
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! YT Kendall 1/6/12 4:35 PM
Hey all,

I realize that the Friends portion of YouTube was appreciated by many of you on this thread, but we will not be bringing "Friends" functionality back to YouTube. We are, however, constantly working to improve the new system in order to deliver more functionality, including more social features.  The feedback you are providing in these threads, including the things you miss about the friends feature, will be key inputs to future features and updates in this area. 

It's also clear that most of you in this thread are upset by the current situation, and I encourage you to continue to provide your thoughts.  Please know that the more concrete your suggestions and feedback are, the more likely they are to be actionable and therefore implemented.

As for the topic of Arts, it's an excellent topic, and one I don't want to get lost inside this thread, since the two are unrelated. I encourage you to start a new discussion in the Feedback/Suggestions room.

Thanks,
Kendall
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! tahwos 1/6/12 5:49 PM
I think he meant - tie a note to a concrete block, and chuck it through their window... or something like that...
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! Guessowii 1/6/12 7:15 PM
@YT Kendall it is dam clear we want friends module back, nobody understands why you removed it.
it was REALLY stupid to remove friends...
it was a huge reason as to why i liked logging in youtube in the first place... 
if this means nothing to you, then YouTube is not mine anymore...

Does anyone know good alternate sites besides dailymotion
i will HAVE to start another account somewhere to take my videos.
i can't wait to see this update blow up in their faces.

FRIENDS ARE AMAZING
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! ad88 1/6/12 11:44 PM
I want my friends back! PLEASE!

Maybe you really believe this idea of merging friends and subscriptions is a "benefit" for us lowly users.

But in reality it seems pretty easy to believe that this idea is much more beneficial to whatever programming ideas that Google / Youtube have for the future. But before you start building some fantasy encoded solution to the problems of the universe, you might want to consider a couple of things.

Try solving whatever challenge you're facing by somehow allowing us to still have our friends AND our subscriptions. Sure, you can beat us into submission - what choice do we have?

Well, think how solid MySpace seemed to be until Facebook came along. Youtube can we wiped out in an internet migration of tsunami proportions at any time, so consider for a moment the human factor - we humans like things the way they are - we don't cotton to change too much.

And maybe it was just the choice of words. Most people loading videos on Youtube think of themselves as humans with friends and not as publishers with "subscribers". Well, maybe we thing of ourselves as both, and you ought to reconsider that fundamental humanity before you go and alineate yourself from us - your bread and butter.

I'd like to stay here, but show me where I can have my friends AND my subscriptions, and I'll be packing my bag...

Regards,
-AHD
PS - Anybody remember "New Coca-Cola" - what a great idea that was! A whole lot of good people might have lost their jobs if the Coca-Cola company didn't quicly realize what a colossal idiocy that was. Food for thought.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! madalpal 1/7/12 4:38 AM
@ ad88 Hi! I agree with all you say & you make some great points! The only thing that I want to emphasize is that, as been said many ways before, it's not the "change" that is the problem, we all have to change to our environments & to new realities. Change can be good, as in booting out bums in office (tho new bums seem to get elected in their place sometimes) or eating better, or finding better relationships. But here, the"change" is forced, without opt-out provisions, & with 99% saying they want to keep that option, & no explanation is given why it was taken away, why it makes anything "better" & to whom it would benefit [i.e. Google/YouTube, & or us---the You in YouTube!], & why an option can't be considered. At the very least, we should be able to keep our channel designs, & have at least an "add contact" if there just can be no way to allow "add friends" to be brought back.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! Teresa_ 1/7/12 5:47 AM
1. search contacts 

2. Group contacts with different labels. Kind of like custom playlists only you are grouping contacts. Let us customize the label name. That way people can name their label "FRIENDS".    

  
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Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! lerchfreyley1 1/7/12 5:58 PM
You have seriously RUINED YOUTUBE.  Put it back the way it was.  I can't see the feeds of anyone anymore, I want my friend list back. Why do you people do this crap?????  It sucks, you guys are going to mess around and end up like MYSPACE,  they changed up their sight and look how they ended up.    Your SO CALLED, "more streamlined experience"  is completely antithetic to what people like about YOUTUBE.  Why afre you still going with this?  You have recieved NOTHING but BAD feedback on these changes that NO ONE WANTED.   What is with you elite people and the total DISCONNECT from all of us, especially when the feedback you get is telling you that you messed up, yet you refuse to listen, you do realize that because of this...once a competitor website emerges, there will be a mass exodus from YOUTUBE.  Please hear reason, the charm of YOUTUBE was in USER content and seeing what your freinds posted.  You have destroyed the best things about the site and turned it into just another mass media outlet cramming the same crap down people's throats as everywhere else. We came here to get away from that mentality. 
 
So in short ...I HATE THE CHANGES
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! lerchfreyley1 1/7/12 6:02 PM
It seems that YOUTUBE has become THEMTUBE, just like television and newspapers. The Elite's don't listen.  I guess we will all meet again on a new site as soon as one emerges, Youtube, sooner or later will share the fate of MYSPACE.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! Guessowii 1/7/12 6:45 PM
@Witchfinder_General

Thank you so much for doing everything you have. it means a great deal to me, and im sure plenty more people as well.

To YouTube: Your update is non-functional. 
I loved adding friends and subscribing to new channels, this update makes all that impossible for me to do.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! mrt mib 1/7/12 10:29 PM
I don't see any merge right now. I see I lost all the friends, except 200. All the others are removed by the new Youtube system. 
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Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! Teresa_ 1/8/12 9:10 AM
@Witchfinder_General - Seems you are trolling under two accounts, which might be the reason your link posting ability is limited. One of them is a level 5, the other is a level 7.  

Joined Google Help on 12/24/11

Joined Google Help on 11/21/11
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! Guessowii 1/8/12 10:34 AM
yeah, at least Witchfinder has something GOOD to contribute.

i encourage him to make another dozen accounts.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! GodlessManitoban 1/8/12 2:40 PM
So here are my top three issues with YouTube. I would encourage others to make videos and post them. Since YouTube and it's employees seem to have forgotten about us.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! hiveship 1/9/12 3:17 PM
So it seems YT isnt bringing back the friends feature..bad decision !
Making friends is one of the best things on Yt..but google//tube doesnt think friends are a good thing ...maybe they should try to make some friends..see how that is !!
I see something about the bugs..well there are a LOT of them ever since the fooling around with the new design styarted..total video views is a mess..channelviews froozen all the time..
and lately..about a week or so..i see in my latest activity that i became friends (..!!!) with the same users over and over again..abiout 5 times per hour..really..wtf!!
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! AntiPornographyBlog 1/9/12 5:12 PM
Dear YTKendall,

In one of your post updates you wrote:

"The YT team and I will do our best to answer questions as they come in."

I posted the below post with a number of questions on this thread awhile ago. Perhaps it got overlooked by mistake. In any case, I am still waiting for answers to the below questions. I know the answers will be helpful to ALL YOUTBE USERS who are concerned about this issue. Thanks in advance for helping with this! :-) 

----------------

I have reviewed the information you have provided and still have questions:

1) How do I find out who my 5000 friends are that I lost who weren't subscribers, so I can then ask them to subscribe?

FURTHER INFO: I have over 7000 subscribers and as of a couple of weeks ago I had over 12,000 friends. I would like to find out who my 5000 friends are/were who were removed who weren't subscribers, so that I can then ask them to subscribe. How do I do that? I sent out a bulletin, but according to YouTube bulletins only go out to subscribers, so that effort was apparently useless.

NOTE: I would try and use my address book to help with this but I only have 3000 people listed in it. I have no idea who those people are, which leads me to my next question...

2) Who is included in the 3000 people in my address book?

A) People I'm subscribed to (1470)
B) People who are subscribed to me (7238)
C) Former/current friends (Was 12,000+)
D) People who have sent me emails that I've answered or not answered who are neither friends nor subscribers (Approximately 1-3000 or more over the past 4.5 years)
E) People I have sent friend invites to who never accepted (Likely 10,000+, as I have invited almost all commenters on my videos, which is approximately 25,000 people)
F) Some random sampling of all the above

3) How is it determined WHICH people in the above categories are included in my address book? For instance, if it's SUBSCRIBERS that are supposed to be in my address book, and I have 7000 of them, how is it determined which 3000 of the 7000 are included?

4) How can I find out which category or categories someone in my address book is in, when the only info I can see on them in my address book is whether or not I am subscribed to them?

5) If only a very small portion of users have over 3000 contacts, (according to you or YouTube), then why can't those of us who do have that many get all of them listed in our address books?

If you or anyone else can clear up any of the above questions, I would really appreciate it. Thanks! :-) 
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! Kilkakon 1/9/12 9:28 PM
Come on YouTube, back down from this horrible idea. I know that's all you guys do these days but this one is still bad.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! jakeniallfoster 1/10/12 4:44 AM
Dear YTKendall,

I'm very interested in seeing the answer to AntiPornographyBlock's questions immediately above me (from 1/9/2012).  I'm especially interested in the answer to question 2).

Thank you (and if I say pretty please, will that help in getting a response to the questions?)
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! Nikolai Jonasson 1/10/12 6:27 AM
A lot of things have changed on Youtube:the new homepage,the new channel design!Youtube!!!Why not make one more update!Lets start the new year with one more important update,the categories!There is no category for visual arts!We are tired of make up videos(tutorials) dominating one of the closest categories for artists!!! :(

                                                Please,put a visual arts tab in the categories!




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Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! Anodythe 1/10/12 4:37 PM
Folks...you seriously screwed the pooch.  A question to an answer is NO ANSWER..as in I still have no way to delete the 15 videos form one subscription, another 7 more form another and so on.  And the videos I view are still on my opening page are not deleted as they used to be with the previous version.
 
Pay attention to the users.  We are NOT happy.  It is at times like these, with the lack of favorablr response to users that other web sites are born...other video web sites to compete with the likes of you.
 
Kendell, you have a tough job...but the idiots you work for really need to get other jobs; or they need to be reeducated in customer service.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! YT Kendall 1/10/12 8:06 PM
@antipornographyblog and @jakeniallfoster- it hasn't been overlooked, I don't know all the answers to your questions yet, but am discussing yours (and other questions) with the team & hope to bring you answers soon.

Thanks for your patience all, I know it's not easy waiting.

Kendall
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! ArmaFennica 1/10/12 11:18 PM
@YT Kendall


"it hasn't been overlooked, I don't know all the answers to your questions yet, but am discussing yours (and other questions) with the team & hope to bring you answers soon."

>Translation to those lies; the questions are going to be hushed to oblivion.
-I find it amusing that this Kendall character keeps bringing up `the team´.

I'd like them to visit the videos bashing the appaling new look, reading the comments here about their half-assed work.
-It was half-assed, that is not an insult to say. All the Beta-tests you bypassed have backfired in a serious clusterfuck of a look.

Or, maybe they are such fans of DDR that they not only take heed of the leading aspects, but also the grey overall look of that state.



"Thanks for your patience all, I know it's not easy waiting."

>You have a gift of insulting without intention.
Patience ran out, you do not take heed of the furious feedback nor are you fixing the serious issues with the new look.

-People complain about scrolling, spending too much time looking the site, which is the dead-on purpose of the new look.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! madalpal 1/11/12 12:03 AM

@ Witchfinder_General: “….the poll on here is at 99%”   YA!... I’ve been following this for weeks & was trying to see if YTCandles or anyone else from TheyTube would get the HINT that #s with even the lower  < 50 %’s are important, but 51% & over are the MAJORITY & even with error rates & biases that affect polls, over 80% are too substantial to deliberately downplay or ignore & 90% ++ so extremely significant that it’s virtually unanimous! I don’t think that part went unnoticed, as the “Google Employee” made their 1st comment back here since before the XMAS break right after our comments.

Also, I wanted to send a “shout out” to you for the consistent input & energy you bring!

Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! madalpal 1/11/12 12:11 AM
@YT Kendall
While your input has been brief & sporadic, none of us 'regular' YouTubers can know what constraints your superiors have on the time you have or the content of your replies for this extremely important issue, so I speak for myself that I appreciate your acknowledgement of our very real concerns.
Please tell your team that “we” who invested our time & energy to create the channels [for without them there is no YouTube] are not merely resisting change, showing anger & frustration & confusion, but many are feeling ignored, abandoned or betrayed, & are ‘hurting’ in countless ways!
Thanks
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! gabilanyi 1/11/12 1:06 AM
I'm happy to say that practically all the new friend requests ("Contact suggestions") that I receive are from channels that use the old design.
Of course, Google automatically converted every channel to the new design without asking - an unbelievably presumptuous move that they would not dare do on Gmail where there is some competition - so reverting to the old design required some active effort. In the first days after the conversion I saw mostly new designs, but recently more and more channels revert to the old one. But that option may also disappear any moment.
In the long run, nothing will prevail over Google except competition from a viable alternative.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! stressedoutofmymind 1/11/12 6:19 AM
my view count is one quarter what it used to be 
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! madalpal 1/11/12 7:07 PM
@ stressedoutofmymind: since I don't have videos uploaded yet, I did see that the channel views were 'frozen' for a few days but now appears to have been corrected. Have you checked again today? or is it in the "known issues" in the help forum still?

Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! nathrakh 1/12/12 9:13 AM
You keep asking for feedback, for our opinions but you pay absolutely NO attention to our desperate cries. I don't know what the heck is going on in your minds Youtube/Google, can't you see that almost all of these changes annoy the users.

I deleted my account which had almost 150 subscribers (and the amount was rising quite rapidly). I will NOT support this kind of total disrespect towards the users.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! gabilanyi 1/12/12 9:53 AM
Here is one easily actionable item: a normal contacts interface with basic functionality:
- searchable, sortable list of contacts
- reasonable navigation through contacts, not through batches of 25 accessible through Next and Previous only
- reasonable selection of contacts, not only those that happen to be on an arbitrary page of 25 contacts
- clear indication of how many messages can be sent out at any one time
- automatic deletion of contacts whose accounts have been closed
- differentiation between contacts, subscribers, and subscriptions within the contacts list (so that clicking Subscribers produces a list of subscribers who can be contacted, not a useless grid of thumbnails)
There is a lot more that could be done to make the contacts list functional, including informative error messages, but the above would be a good start.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! MSIR60 (The Original) 1/12/12 5:41 PM
@tjw1963 "@Witchfinder_General - Seems you are trolling under two accounts, which might be the reason your link posting ability is limited. One of them is a level 5, the other is a level 7."

if there's one member here that's not trolling, it's witchfinder. why would he? everyone likes him, respects what he's tried to do to get google to listen, and does not post off topic links to fart videos or anything else for that matter.

witchfinder wanted someone to post a link to his on topic poll, so i'll do it. i hope you'll learn a lesson out of this... prove before accusing.

http://tinyurl.com/youtubepoll
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! MSIR60 (The Original) 1/12/12 5:47 PM
@YT Kendall "I don't know all the answers to your questions yet, but am discussing yours (and other questions) with the team & hope to bring you answers soon."

thanks, but can you discuss the question asked by the poll linked to in my post above this, and tell us the answer as to why you are ignoring 99% of members who voted against the new youtube, and want it to revert back?

that's my question, if you could answer it. thanks.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! endthedisease 1/12/12 10:25 PM
I can't believe you guys removed the friend feature. Are you insane? I don't want to sub 10k people. adding friends is a way to sort through channels and creat contacts without having to use the sub button. Change it back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! GodlessManitoban 1/13/12 3:10 AM
^^^ won't happen but keep whinging.
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Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! MrRudimental 1/13/12 11:47 AM
 

Hello everyone. The new design is actually well thought out. Google has decided to direct traffic from the channel pages to the home page. They've made all the pages look similar. They've given us a handful of simple templates. This make the channels less appealing. They've made the comments section hidden. Now you have to actually post a comment before you can see comments from others(which would be classified as spam...saying ”hello” for instance). They've made the comments section almost useless. They've limited the description of the channel owner's to 200 characters. They obviously don’t want the traffic paying to much attention to the channel owner. They have made subscriptions hidden, and have taken away friends. The reason behind this is simple...they don’t want channel owners communicating with each other. tjw1963 claims she's happy that friends are gone. she says "Friends has been abused for a long time and was never geared toward real social interaction." The above statement from tjw1963 is non-sense. She's saying the friends feature was no more than a tool for spammers. The old design had more than enough ways to deal with spam.


First spam is when someone sends out undirected mail with the hope 10% of people will respond. When this is done on youtube 90% of people will mark them as spam. The individual will have their account suspended. Second youtube currently has so many different protections against spam it's ridiculous. Youtube has friend lock, so only people you choose can send you a message. It seems like preventing people from communicating is the main goal of the new youtube.


with the old design you could

1)hide the subscribers module

2)hide the friends module

3)hide your subscriptions module

4)hide the recent activity

5)allow comments to be approved, or disable completely

6)enable friend lock

7)block people who bother you

8)mark people as spam



People like tjw1963 had all of their needs met with the old design in regards to spam. They could do all of the above and never be contacted by anyone, except the occasional friend request, which I'm sure she would promptly ignore, then block the user, maybe even spam one of their videos out of spite.


This new change is gonna backfire on Google. The youtube community is the heart and soul of youtube. If they upset everyone, a competitor will move in to give people what they want. As a matter of fact, IndieToob will probably be that competitor. They're gonna have a site which restores the social networking features of youtube. Their site will allow youtube video's to be embedded.


I have a feeling that soon most of the eyes will be looking at IndieToob, while youtube becomes a site that stores videos for IndieToob.

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Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! MrRudimental 1/13/12 12:03 PM
The new youtube is about controlling who becomes a partner. Small channel owners will soon become invisible, while big youtube partners like tjw1963 will be shoved in everyones face. Tabs on the new homepage say it all...trending...popular...exactly who decides what is popular...who decides what is trending?  As a matter of fact, what's the difference between the two?
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! MrRudimental 1/13/12 12:59 PM
Once the new change completely happens, subscribers will be hidden, no more friends, contacts hidden and limited, all pages will look the same, Small channels will be buried never to be seen. Youtube will be gone!!
This makes me sad. I really enjoyed youtube.
 
After seeing how google is responding,  I'm putting all of my faith into IndieToob. I sure hope them guys can get their site up and running soon.
 
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Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! LadyBoss 1/14/12 6:02 AM
I can only subscribe to someone ..
I can;t invite them anymore to be my friend ..
What's up with that ?

In the YouTube help :  If you have another YouTube user to send an invitation for friendship, click the link "Add as friend" in the "Link to" on his channel page.

WHERE ??
Please FIX !!

Thanx
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Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! gabilanyi 1/15/12 8:36 AM
I checked out IndieToob. It seems to have no functionality at all. Is it still under development?
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Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! madalpal 1/15/12 11:19 PM
Hey again Witchfinder_General:
IndieToob looked promising & I got an initial thanks for joining & creating BEATLES4U4EVER (similar to my one here [BEATLES4U4NOW4EVER] but they have shorter channel character limits to create channel names):
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" admin has sent you a private message
"Thank you for creating a channel. I am just getting started, info is in the About section, link at the bottom of the page. How did you find the site? I welcome any feedback. There is no staff and my consultants are from an unkown country so it is difficult at this point to make changes but I am working on it."
 =====
.... but it has lagged in the past few weeks, & my channel is getting no response from the few people there, including the "administrator."
Still, the POTENTIAL is there to recreate Youtube like it was!
[there are other options like Vimeo that I started a channel with, tho if like me you dont have uploads, then its hard to get noticed.]
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! MrInhibitorV2 1/16/12 9:22 AM
Ok since it's no longer possible to limit the ability to only be sent messages by friends or only have friends be able to coments automaticlly while everyone else is approval. Are you going to change it to where only subscribers can comment automatically or send you messages?
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Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! madalpal 1/16/12 9:10 PM
Hey @ Witchfinder_General: That's what appears to be the case. If they only knew how quickly 100s, then 1,000s then......?? would start right up, they should be ready for the stampede! But IMHO, I wouldn't close an account here until they're really ready. I'll keep updating this until we get the "new comments are closed"
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! madalpal 1/16/12 9:18 PM
...which brings up another, tho kinda unrelated, topic: I see most people on the forums, as opposed to their channel, don't have profiles set up, not even our 'beloved' (LOL!!) Y T Kendall
 I didn't even realize that mine wasn't either until recently. The point is that for us to be able to stay in touch profiles give us at least 1 way to do that.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! JazzyJBabe 1/16/12 10:12 PM
I doubt Google employees do have YT channels. If he had channels, they knew how important 'Friend Modules' are in order to find like-minded people and to interact with them -- which is necessary if you make videos!
To me, making videos for friends and sharing videos with them is more personal and fun than just making subscribers.
Oops I forgot that YT is now all about MONEY instead of fun.
 
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! MSIR60 (The Original) 1/17/12 2:24 PM
they've put the poll http://tinyurl.com/youtubepoll in the archive but this remains. the poll was more active, popular and useful than this. it was feedback, so why is it not in feedback and suggestions?
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! MSIR60 (The Original) 1/17/12 2:25 PM
@JazzyJBabe i think you're right. maybe they have test accounts, but nothing more. why don't they ask their friends and family? 99% will tell them that they want friends back.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! AntiPornographyBlog 1/17/12 6:29 PM
@YT Kendall:

Thank you for your response of 1/10/12. I look forward to finding out the answers to the questions that I have asked previously, as well as the answers to the questions that others have asked about this important topic.

After trying to work with this new system for a number of weeks now, I have found MANY more aspects to it that are not user-friendly at all, as well as many frustrating bugs. Additionally many more questions have been raised. Listing all the bugs, problems, questions and concerns would take a great deal of time that I currently don't have, so for now I will just ask the following two new questions and make the following two requests:

QUESTION 1: 

When on a NEW or OLD channel, how can I tell if the user is already: 

a) A contact that *I* have added to MY address book. (A one-way relationship, as far as I can tell.) 

b) Someone who had added ME as a contact to THEIR address book. (A different sort of one-way relationship, as far as I can tell.)

b) A friend. (A two-way relationship that required a sending of a friend invitation by one party and the receiving and accepting of it by the other.)

c) A subscriber to my channel

FURTHER INFO: 

In the old system with the old channels, I could easily tell by going to someone's channel whether or not they were a friend, an invited friend who had yet to accept the invitation (or reject it), or not a friend. Also, if they had less than 100 or so subscriptions I could check those subscriptions to see if they were subscribed to my channel. 

In the new system with the new channels I can't figure out any of the above, and when on an old channel, if there is no "add as contact" visible, I can't tell if they are a current "contact" that I added (a one-way relationship done without their knowledge or consent, apparently), or a friend (a two-way relationship done *with* their knowledge and consent.)

Also, I can't find out the friend/contact status of someone any other way, as there is no way to SEARCH one's address book (as far as I know), and I can't look through my address book to find someone as it only contains 3000 of my 12,000+ contacts, so if they are not there that doesn't mean they are a not a contact. 

And, even if I do find someone in my address book, there is no info contained along with the contact to tell me if they are a friend (a mutual relationship), or just a "contact" that I added (a one-way relationship, as far as I can tell), or perhaps just someone I am subscribed to, or someone who emailed me, or someone whom I emailed, if any of those if those are indeed part of contacts, which I'm still not sure about. (I am waiting on your clarification of that.) Also in the contact listing there is no info as to whether or not they are a subscriber.

QUESTION 2:

Currently on my videos FRIENDS can comment without approval, but the comments of all others must be approved, as that is the option I selected in the past. What is the status of "CONTACTS" in this new system? If I add someone as a contact to my address book, can they then comment on those videos without approval? Of if they add MY CHANNEL as one of THEIR contacts, can they they comment without approval? Or does it still require the sending, receiving and accepting of a "contact suggestion", which then creates a mutual relationship? 

FURTHER INFO:

Currently, because I am still using the old/good channel design, I am asking other users whom I want to be able to comment freely on my videos, to go to my channel and send me a friend invite so that I then can accept it. I am assuming that they will then be able to comment freely on my videos without approval, but I am not sure. If they don't send me a friend invite/contact suggestion that I then accept, and I just add them to my address book, I have no idea what their status is -- i.e. if they can then comment freely or not.

REQUEST 1:

Please continue with or create a system that allows channel owners to allow commenting on our videos without approval ONLY by those whom WE ALLOW, and please inform us as to what this system requires. I.e. If "contacts" can comment freely, please clarify what a contact is, and please make sure that subscribers and people who email an account are NOT "contacts", because if they ARE, then that means anyone who subscribes to a channel or emails it could then automatically become a "contact" and freely comment without the approval of the channel owner, which is unacceptable.

REQUEST 2:

Please return to the previous system of FRIENDS. I know you said this wasn't going to happen, but I feel obligated to request it again anyway, as it was MUCH easier to understand and use, to say the least. For users with large active channels, this new system is unfortunately a confusing, dysfunctional, and unmanageable nightmare. :-( (Not to mention dealing with this new system takes up a great deal of YOUR time and energy to read user comments and questions like the many in this thread, and then do research on those questions to get them answered, which is apparently so challenging and time-consuming that it literally requires WEEKS to accomplish! Needless to say, this is not helpful to ANYONE.)

Thanks for listening, and thanks in advance for the responses to the above questions and to earlier ones.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! JazzyJBabe 1/18/12 4:48 AM
@MSIR60
They can't ask their friends because they don't have any. Only "contacts".

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Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! chipmunkfanalways 1/18/12 1:14 PM
THEY ARE SWITCHING ALL CHANNELS OVER ANYHOW... I posted a blip on this .. Come on over and vent... After March... I am GONE....
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! itsdownhillfromhere 1/19/12 5:45 AM
Hilarious comment from Kendall about encouraging us to share our views and have input on the way youtube is going right after catagorically stating that they will not be re-introducing the 'Friends' feature. Well obviously our input pays off! I think a testimony to the company's ignorance to the needs/wants of it's own user base is the fact that the majority of users do not like nor want the new layout design and choose to return to the old style, yet in March they're forcing it on us all anyway. This can only be because it will facillitate them to make more money out of us at the cost of our enjoyment and benefit of using the site. I honestly never thought YT would stoop to the level of ignorance towards their users as has long been displayed by Myspace, but there you go. In the meantime you're all wasting your time offering YT your input. Anyone for Vimeo.com?
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Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! MrRudimental 1/19/12 11:24 AM
They're switching channels over on march 1. I noticed that indietoob is now up and running. I'm sure they'll have a few bugs in it, but over time they'll iron them out. The one thing I really like about indietoob is the fact that you can embed your youtube videos into it. you'll be able to get youtube views through indietoob, while keeping the old youtube features on your indietoob channel.

We now have friends again indietoobers!!!
 I hope 1 billion youtubers create indietoob channels!!!
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! chipmunkfanalways 1/19/12 6:35 PM
I have joined there as well and have posted photos,,,, I am PamelaJoParrish over there.. It will just be a vlog,, Feel free to come over and friend me.... March first my channel here will be abandoned....
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! officialdjgi 1/20/12 11:06 AM
Sincerely, I like the new layout... nice graphic...^___^

but now let's get serious:

>>> REMOVED THE FRIEND FEATURE = NO COMMUNITY
>>> LESS ABILITY TO CUSTOMIZE THE CHANNELS
>>> LESS VIEWS = LESS PROFITS

>>> LIMITATIONS ON CONTACTS
>>> LIMITATIONS ON SUBSCRIPTIONS

WHERE DANM ARE THESE IMPROVEMENTS???

I've worked hard for 1 year to make more than 9000 friends and get more views and subscribers... and now you would merge "Friends" with "Subscriptions"... I think you're the only one causing confusion and issues in this case!

I really want my friends feature and friend list back just like others... U___U''

We are all unhappy of this DOWNGRADE! ( because it's not an update! ;) )

Think about it!!!
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! GTW1226 1/20/12 1:09 PM
I hate the new youtube!
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! KINGOFTOWN 1/20/12 1:17 PM
Occupy Youtube January 30th
901 Cherry Ave. San Bruno, CA 94066
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! endthedisease 1/20/12 4:55 PM
I still don't understand why you removed the friend feature. Can we please have it back?
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! zookeeper220 1/20/12 11:30 PM
    I've already started posting videos to other sites and I've noticed many other youtubers have also chosen to do this.
    Youtube is totally messed up and our individuality is gone.
    What made youtube "special" is missing and presumed dead.
    What have you done.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! MSIR60 (The Original) 1/21/12 8:42 AM
"I still don't understand why you removed the friend feature. Can we please have it back?"

no. despite everyone wanting it back, they said "we will not be bringing the friends feature back". what great logic that it. what a great way to increase popularity. what a great way to save face.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! gabilanyi 1/21/12 9:49 PM
YouTube blackout on March 1st:
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! gabilanyi 1/21/12 10:52 PM
IndieToob looks really good. Quick and easy setup. And you can upload videos.
Note, however, that Gmail sends the confirmation email to SPAM. Nice try, Google!...
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! cowboyLazy 1/22/12 5:52 AM
@ Yt Kedell, I appreciate your attempt to provide new and exciting youtube experiences, however, in light of  all the throwback and more importantly in the interest of fiscal responsibility, I suggest you invest in the personality so attractive in the original format.  yes, monitize our personality, and you'll produce a win - win situation.  Everybody would be happy, your users, your revenue streams producers and of course all the haters (is that possible?)
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! madrasi 1/22/12 11:11 AM
Here is an excellent satirical video about the recent changes at YouTube, including the loss of Friends.
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Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! SheikahNinja 1/22/12 12:47 PM
Google, that's it. You've pushed me as far as I'm going to be pushed.
 
WE. WANT. OUR. FRIENDS. I don't want my friends to be a damn name in my contacts taht I NEVER LOOK AT! GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS! You are DESTROYING EVERYTHING we YOUtubers once held dear! Take your damn designs and SHOVE THEM UP YOUR UGLY PIECE OF SHIT ASSHOLES! HEY! FUCKHEADS! Are you deaf? Because it seems you can't hear the enormous crowd of people telling you to DIE IN A FIERY HOLE! Youtube is no longer what you claim it to be! If I could rename this site, I'd call it FUCKYOUtube, because that's what you're doing to us. Google is just like SOPA and PIPA! You piece of shit, money grubbing fucks just want to control the internet! Well, FUCK YOU! Let me talk to the damn HEAD CEO of google, because, YT Kendall, you're just an insignificant PEON they're using to take the heat of the users! I am sick and fucking tired of your goddamn BULLSHIT!
 
NO ONE WANTS YOUR CHANGES! LET US WATCH OUR VIDEOS, VIEW OUR SUBSCRIPTIONS AND FRIENDS SEPARATELY (DON'T GIVE ME THAT BULLSHIT ABOUR FRIENDS STILL BEING IN CONTACTS, BECAUSE THAT IS UTTER STUPIDITY AND ONE WANTS IT), KEEP THE CHANNEL DESIGN WE WANT TO HAVE (NOT THIS COSMIC PANDA CLUSTERFUCK THAT SOUNDS LIKE A NAME FOR CRACK OR ANY OTHER OF THE NEW CHANNEL DESIGN CRAP), AND SURF YOUTUBE WITHOUT THE HASSLES YOU CREATE FOR US!
 
You make it to where anyone who creates a Google account is automatically linked to youtube WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE USER! I know this from experience, you dumbfucks! Also, where the hell did the damn shows go!? Funimation used to have a "Shows" tab on the previous layout! Ever since they switched to this pathetic excuse for shit layout, I have to type "Anime" or "Shows" into the damn search bar, AND THEN search through various episodes of various anime. WHY CAN'T I JUST SCROLL THROUGH THEIR SHOWS TO FIND A GODDAMN ANIME I WANT TO WATCH ANYMORE!?
 
MY FINAL NOTE: GO DIE! NOBODY LIKES GOOGLE. TAKE YOUR CRAPPY COMPANY AND BURN IT TO THE GROUND.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! SheikahNinja 1/22/12 1:13 PM
Hm. The comment I just posted is not here. Wonder why? Did the truth hurt, Google? Didn't like me calling you out for exactly what you are? A lying, coniving, sniveling, snake-like site that doesn't care about its users. For everyone else, here's a weaker language version of the comment I made.
In short, I don't want my friends to be a name in a contact list I NEVER USE. (I also told Google/Youtube to go F themselves, die, and a few other things.) Plus, I want my shows back, like what Funimation USED to have before they switched to this utterly disgusting and siappointing layout. I don't want to have to type "Anime" or "Shows" into some search bar to bring up a list of videos they've eploaded. LET ME SCROLL THROUGH THE LIST OF SHOWS SO I CAN FIND AN ANIME I LIKE. After returning all the features you DESTROYED, do away with this... pathetic design of yours. Cosmic Panda sounds like a name for crack. (Props to a friend for giving me that one.) I don't care if this design is easier for YOU to manage. YOUtube does not refer to its peon employees (yeah, that's right YT Kendall, you're just a peon they're using to take the heat from the users), it refers to the USERS. Screw making the site easier for Google to manage and spy on. And go ahead, Google. Delete this comment as well. I already have it saved to my clip board. The more you delete, the more I'll post. I don't care if you ban my "Google" user name. I'm only here to express my pure rage and frustration.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! MSIR60 (The Original) 1/22/12 5:58 PM
"(I also told Google/Youtube to go F themselves, die, and a few other things."

all the swearing in the world couldn't be as insulting as forcing the new crap channels on us, and it's most certainly not the first time google have heard such things.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! AntiPornographyBlog 1/22/12 6:25 PM
@ YT Kendall ---

I am still politely awaiting a reply to all of the questions that I have asked on this thread over the past month. Any chance on getting a response?

Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! AntiPornographyBlog 1/22/12 11:34 PM
TO ALL YOUTUBE USERS:

Here are 10 HELPFUL THINGS YOU CAN DO to protest the new YT layout & channel design, to get YT to reverse all unwanted changes! 

Please check out & do some of the actions on the list below. Thanks!

http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/youtube/thread?tid=13279940137661e5&hl=en&fid=13279940137661e50004b72cc9f2ee59

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Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! AntiPornographyBlog 1/23/12 6:52 PM
@Witchfinder_General

Thank you so much for that EXCELLENT form letter, my friend! It is very helpful! :-) 

Perhaps people can edit the letter as desired to reflect their own perspective and concerns, and maybe they could add the removal of FRIENDS as an important issue also. I know it is a HUGE ISSUE for me and my nonprofit organization!

Does FAO at the top of the form letter means "For the Attention of"? I'm guessing it does. :-) 

Thanks again for all that you are doing to save our community, channels and site here at YouTube, and to keep the YOU in it!! :-) 
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! madrasi 1/23/12 8:57 PM
@Witchfinder Good letter. What is the address where I should send this letter?
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! madalpal 1/23/12 9:38 PM
I just found this site, amazingly created only 5 days ago [ perhaps in response to the inevitable collapse of UseLessTube?? ] but haven't had time to really look it over, if someone else has please post some info! Thanks!

here's the link: http://www.zippcast.com/t/about.php

Description:

Founded on January 18th 2012 3:30a.m. Eastern, ZippCast allows people to discover, watch and share originally-created videos, images, and audios. ZippCast also provides a way for people to connect, inform, and inspire others across the globe and acts as a distribution platform for original content creators and advertisers large or small. If you need help, please visit our Community Center. There you'll find answers to many common questions about creating an account, watching and uploading media, maintaining your channel, and how to contact us.

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BTW: IDK, but they may be flooded with new accounts as this popped up:
We are working on our servers to hold more traffic and activity!   Help us out and donate to ZippCast here!
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! Guessowii 1/23/12 10:17 PM
Yup. Zippcast is the path out of the new, horrible, difficult, "updated" yotutube.

I love their features, that youtube lacks. its really a great place.


I would love to know how many people are already left youtube for zippcast. and how many are planning to switch.

like you said madalpal, they are getting much more traffic.



@YT_team: how can you sit back allow your site to turn into this chaotic monster?
youtube is for the people, -dont give all the power to corporate greed.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! gabilanyi 1/23/12 10:54 PM
Zippcast indeed looks wonderful. They are in beta, but all the features seem to be in place. It is definitely well positioned to draw away a great deal of traffic from YT. This is a good time to open accounts there while the user names you want are still available.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! madalpal 1/24/12 12:46 AM
Well, I started a new account:
BEATLESnGREATSofROCK
similar to my YT channel:
BEATLES4U4NOW4EVER

 ZippCast looks good .....but wouldn't you know it....
...it already has a fake FRED account, trolls, haters, & all the crap that goes along with the good stuff
It didn't take long....
Oh well, it's all about the freedom to create that once was the reason to come here & was the lifeblood of the once great YT, which will unfortunately become a corporate wasteland of faceless "contacts" & commercials & Google garbage
After the ugly changeover on March 1 it will become
UseLessTube! LOL!!
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! madalpal 1/24/12 2:44 AM
WELL every hour its getting more accounts but there are understandable issues like:

503 Service Unavailable

The server is temporarily busy, try again later! 

so we'll have to be patient as the MASS EXODUS begins!

sorry Google/ UseLessTube! like the 1% 'ers

your greed will eat you up

you loose

Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! Kilkakon 1/27/12 7:55 AM
This is a still bad move, by the way, Google.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! madalpal 1/27/12 10:04 PM
It's gotten quite here lately--must be everyone's busy setting up their accounts!
Once again, sorry Google/ UseLessTube! like the 1% 'ers  your greed will eat you up
you loose, your only chance is to allow users to have their choice of channel design options!
otherwise--goodby my old "friend"--
oh wait, that's not allowed anymore
you can keep your contacts
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! Cadwalladee 1/28/12 7:32 AM
PLEASE CHANGE THE NAME TO "GOOGLETUBE". This more accurately reflects the BLOATED, unworkable, irritating quagmire this service has become. "YOU" are no longer relevant.
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Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! madalpal 1/28/12 9:21 PM

@Witchfinder_General I wonder if any YT employees will jump ship too!! Zippcast servers are straining to keep up with demand, & have been upgraded several times already! Like I mentioned a week or so ago IndieToob should have been ready but weren’t, so Zipp is the obvious winner. BTW: Did you make one yet?

You (or any other interested YTs) can PM me on my Beatles channel with your username & I’ll get back with you.

[here on YT is: BEATLES4U4NOW4EVER ] & on

ZippCast is: BEATLESnGREATSofROCK

Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! MSIR60 (The Original) 2/1/12 11:15 AM
madalpal, witchfinder was banned 3 times by google for absolutely no reason whatsoever. he was hounded by john quacks (see his posts) who called him names. witchfinder reported these posts as violations, but john quacks has special protection from google. when witchfinder opened his 4th account, he saw his posts from his 3rd account all deleted. he's had enough. he's closed his 4th account, after telling a few home truths, and doesn't want to come back, ever. he remains the bigger man.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! MSIR60 (The Original) 2/1/12 11:17 AM
it also didn't exactly help when he found his poll had been archived for the 3rd time, with his polite request for it to be moved back, deleted.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! djmambito 2/1/12 11:54 AM
.
 
In this thread the only person to blame is YTKendall
 
he poses as a help-moron from youtube..but does not give help
he only posts his sticky post so he can show his boss "look what i have done"
"i posted in the help forum" ...ofcourse he then forgets to mention that after that he never came back
never replied to any questions ..and refuses to repair what needs repairing.
 
Relax YTKendall you are not alone...all your collegues that come and bla bla in this forum
act exactly the same as you, specially since the big change..they all dont reply on the big issues
thay are all cowards, incompetents and worth nothing.
 
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Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! MSIR60 (The Original) 2/1/12 11:57 AM
it looks that way, but maybe they were forced to? either way, the result is crap. most youtube staff must know it.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! AntiPornographyBlog 2/1/12 4:49 PM
@YT Kendall:

On 1/10/12 you wrote the below (in this thread), in response to concerns expressed because our questions to you about friends, subscriptions and "contacts" hadn't been replied to:

"@antipornographyblog and @jakeniallfoster- it hasn't been overlooked, I don't know all the answers to your questions yet, but am discussing yours (and other questions) with the team & hope to bring you answers soon.

Thanks for your patience all, I know it's not easy waiting.

Kendall"

Well, it has been over a month since the questions were asked, and three weeks since you posted the above. Could you please give us an update and/or answer at least SOME of our questions that we still have, which are many? Thanks.


Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! GodlessManitoban 2/1/12 8:26 PM
This is NOT MySpace. What is the benefit of having 1,000+ friends? Unless you're a spammer. You cannot tell me you keep in contact with over 1,000 people.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! madalpal 2/1/12 8:43 PM
@ MSIR60 Thanks for letting me know about witchfinder, who was so active & helpful here & would answer us regular YTs like myself & keep everyone updated.
So now I'd like to say I appreciate your feedback, as well as 
AntiPornographyBlog & others.
BTW: Did you (or anyone else who wants to let us know) make a ZippCast account yet? If so what's your username?
you can PM me if you want here on YT is: BEATLES4U4NOW4EVER  & onZippCast is: BEATLESnGREATSofROCK
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! GodlessManitoban 2/2/12 9:11 AM
You exchange tips on how to post copyrighted material?

Important: Do not upload any TV shows, music videos, music concerts, or commercials without permission unless they consist entirely of content you created yourself.

No none of what you uploaded falls under fair use either :-)
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! MSIR60 (The Original) 2/2/12 4:48 PM
@madalpal, it happened a lot on here, the abuse of witchfinder by staff socks:

http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/youtube/thread?tid=69de7611f0e60563&hl=en

but credit to the staff that put it back in feedback and suggestions, if it was staff. anmoose had to do it last time.

Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! MSIR60 (The Original) 2/2/12 4:49 PM
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! antiracist1266 2/9/12 3:33 PM
YouTube, even when you notice the trend going on about how basically your entire community (me included) HATE this new design and the "Contacts" you still don't do anything about it?
 
Wow. Really messed up. You claim it's for the best while in reality it is the worst move.
 
Get it right.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! hiveship 2/9/12 3:36 PM
Yes..youtube asked for our feedback..but they just ignore us..totally..
already i see users leave to the left and the right..is this what youtube wanted all along?/ get ridd of us, the little users..the ones that made this site big btw..
I have been looking around and there are other sites for vids..well mayde those will grow after march 7th..when the horror of the new channels will be forced upon us all...
bad ..very bad move tube//google..
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Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! chipmunkfanalways 2/9/12 6:56 PM
Well gang I HAVE SAID AGAIN AND AGAIN....YT will do whatever it wants... If you leave.. They win... I am staying and I am digging ,my heals in and will Roll with the punches.... I am going to show them that it is NOT JUST ABOUT the MONEY... It is about HIMANITY... The people! I will stay ind FIGHT!
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Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! sgr1000 2/11/12 3:19 AM
Everyone is moving to Dailymotion (who by the way have a lot more features now than Youtube) or Zippcast (who have more features than you) and the best thing over there is "friends"  I hope you are proud of yourself "Youtube/Google" because you destroyed the very thing that was bringing in the cash for you and gave the other sites the edge and now it seems the power.
 
Money isn't everything especially when you have more than enough , it becomes a sickness in the end and "Youtube you are sick"
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! sgr1000 2/11/12 3:22 AM
Imagine how nice it would have been to get as many messages as you have had over the weeks with the words "Well done Youtube your company is great"
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! antiracist1266 2/11/12 9:52 AM
sgr1000
 
"Money isn't everything especially when you have more than enough , it becomes a sickness in the end and "Youtube you are sick"
 
You totally summed it up perfectly.
 
It definitely came back to haunt them.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! MSIR60 (The Original) 2/12/12 9:32 AM
just a note that nobody will be able to vote and the vote remain now that the number of posts has exceeded 200. every comment after the one by "olecranon process" won't be able to carry a vote.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! antiracist1266 2/12/12 11:08 AM
Now I thought that MSIR60 replied after me. It said that he had "Last reply" before I posted this one.
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! IAmVeryAnnoyed 2/13/12 9:50 AM
It's kinda pointless, this merge.   
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! IAmVeryAnnoyed 2/13/12 9:53 AM
And how come we can't see who our friends are subscribed to? 
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! XxSilentMaJicxX 4/5/12 11:49 PM
whats the contact sending limits i searched everywhere and cant find them is it like 10 every 15 minuts
Re: [Update] Friends/Subscription Merge - a tour! madrasi 6/9/13 2:32 PM
I miss the old days, back when there were Friends on YouTube.
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