|Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||DJSigma||8/28/14 4:21 PM|
A few minutes ago, Google's homepage reverted to the old version for me. I'm using Opera 12.17. If I search for something, the results are shown with the current Google look, but the homepage itself is the old look with the black bar across the top. It seems to affect only the Google homepage and image search. If I click on "News", for instance, it's fine.
I've tried clearing cookies and deleting the browser cache/persistent storage. I've tried disabling all extensions. I've tried masking the browser as IE and Firefox. It doesn't matter whether I'm signed in or signed out. Nothing works. Please fix this!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||DJSigma||8/28/14 4:40 PM|
This is actually broken worse than I thought.
If I go to the Google homepage, I get served the old version of the site. If I search for something, the results show up in the current look. However, if I then try and type something into the search box again, Google search doesn't work at all. I have to go back to the homepage every time to do a new search.
Please fix this ASAP!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||bluequoll||8/28/14 4:58 PM|
I'm seeing the old UI in Opera 12, but all seems OK in Opera 23.
What OS are you using?
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||DJSigma||8/28/14 5:07 PM|
I'm using Opera 12.17 on Windows 8.1.
Since I made the posts above, the Google homepage seems to randomly switch between the old look and the current one, but search is intermittently broken.
When I do get to see the current homepage, instant search does not work and sometimes if I type in search terms and hit enter, nothing happens and below the search box is just plain white.
When I get to see the old version of the homepage, search works, but then the results are displayed in the new look and further searches do not work.
Google was working perfectly in Opera 12.17 up until about an hour or so ago.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||bluequoll||8/28/14 5:28 PM|
There are two possible issues here:
Google Search may support only the current stable version and latest prior stable version of Chrome, Firefox, Safari and Internet Explorer. This is certainly true and specifically stated for Gmail and Google Apps for business, although I can't find any stated policy for Google Search.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||DJSigma||8/28/14 5:35 PM|
Thanks, but the new version of Opera is absolutely awful and I'm not switching browsers. I've tried a bunch of other browsers including Chrome, IE, Firefox, Safari, Slimbrowser etc. and none of them suit my needs.
Google worked fine with Opera 12.17 up until an hour ago and it's only because of stupid browser sniffing that it's not working fine now.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Josh Woodroffe||8/28/14 6:08 PM|
Hi DJSigma - same thing is happening to me.. only happened in the last couple of hours. I'm using Safari on a Mac.... weird..
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||DJSigma||8/28/14 6:40 PM|
Hi Josh. Are you using the latest version of Safari?
I'm hoping that this is just an intermittent bug, cos I really don't want to have to switch browsers. If my browser is now unsupported and there's no way around that, I'll begrudgingly switch to using Bing instead as my main search site.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Josh Woodroffe||8/28/14 6:46 PM|
I'm going to try updating it along with OSX over the weekend I think.. just a bit strange that it happened all of a sudden. Google Chrome seems to be fine so I will use that in the meantime. Cheers..
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||8/28/14 6:52 PM|
Phew... thought it was just me and I'd been hacked or something...
Same problem here everything "Google" has reverted a back to the old style of several years ago.
Tested on 3 different computers and different OS's & browsers... All have the same result, everything google has gone back to the old style of several years ago and theres no way to change it...
Even the copyright has reverted back to 2013 !!!
Think it may have something to do with Google Images being hacked yesterday and they've had to revert back to the old style to fix it... Not much help and pretty annoying going back to the old fashioned way/ style... :-/
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Neona Kalu||8/28/14 7:51 PM|
I have the exact same problem! Everything worked fine just a couple of hours ago. And now google looks awful and the image search does not work. My main browser is Opera too and all of a sudden google looks like this. Strangely enough google works fine and looks like it always does in Firefox and Chrome, but for Opera it became broken just a few hours ago for no reason.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||bluequoll||8/28/14 9:41 PM|
I can reproduce this in both Opera 12.17 and Safari 5.1.7 on Windows 7. I don't see it (yet!) in Firefox 31, Chrome 37, Internet Explorer 11 or Opera 23 (all on Windows 7). The situation might be different on other operating systems or in different regions (I'm in Australia).
I've flagged the issue for Google's attention. Please monitor this discussion for updates or further comment.
Thanks to those who have provided details of browser/version and operating system. Please would other visitors to this discussion provide the same detail, and also let me know which country you're located in.
I'm marking this reply as "Best answer" for the moment (I know it's not!) because that's the only way to be sure visitors to this discussion will see it. This will be updated in due course.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||8/28/14 10:13 PM|
Having just tested with all the very latest versions of FireFox, Chrome & Safari on 3 different Macs from OSX 10.6 to Mavericks it certainly isn't a problem with the actual browsers, plugins, extensions etc... (or the usual clearing of cookies etc)...
The problem of everything suddenly switching the old style interface is the exact same on all machines and browsers tested. For Me it just suddenly started about 8 hours ago for no apparent reason...
It's actually getting worse with time if you close you're browser (any one) and open it again sometime it will open with the "New Style" interface but try typing in a search and it just takes you to blank page and nothing else happens...
Then if you click on anything else like your "Home" tab/ button it reverts back to the old style and it's all very random if anything actually works properly...
It's obvious with the amount of people reporting this problem that it's not something end users can fix (or have done something to cause it) as it would be one heck of a coincidence if everyone had suddenly decided to start fiddling with their browsers/ setting or computer and messed things up...
Whatever the cause is, having thoroughly tested all option an end user can do themselves the result is there's nothing the end user can do to sort this (at least not on a MAC with the systems and versions I have tested and reported above)...
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Jamshid Tabrizi||8/28/14 10:39 PM|
How funny is that, this is not the issue with the Google Chrome?!
I think Google is trying to force everyone to use Google Chrome instead of other browsers! If the issue persists, I change my search engine to Bing.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||8/28/14 10:44 PM|
Erm... obviously you didn't read anything here but it is indeed an issue with Google Chrome to just as it's an issue with FireFox, Safari & Opera...
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||92filmgeek||8/29/14 12:05 AM|
I'm having the same problem in Safari 5.1.10. Up until about 5 or 6 PM Central time everything was fine, then when I search for something I get both the old homepage and the old search results page. If anybody knows how to fix this it would be greatly appreciated.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Julo Boss||8/29/14 1:15 AM|
I have this problem on a 2007 MacBook running OS 10.5.8 and Safari 5.0.6
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Max Dread||8/29/14 2:24 AM|
Yep, same problem here. I am using Opera 12.17 and Windows XP Pro SP3. I've got the black bar along the top, and I have filters down the left hand side ("Country", "Time", "Results"). I'm sure fonts look a bit different too.
I have Chrome installed on the same PC and it is NOT experiencing the same problem.
Fingers crossed for a fix as I don't want to change browser or search engine. As it is now it looks so damn clunky.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Shannon Cockburn||8/29/14 2:44 AM|
I'm having the exact same issue except I'm running Google on Safari (version 5.1.10). I thought it had to do with the fact I'm still using Snow Leopard as my OS X on my Mac Pro, but clearly others are having issues as well. The funny thing is that for me it looks like the current version when I run it in Firefox.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Max Dread||8/29/14 3:04 AM|
Something else I noticed. I am doing some currency conversion and just googled "5 euro in gbp". It came up with a bunch of hits but did NOT come up with what I presume is a google conversion tool (it's a box at the top of the list; kinda like a conversion calculator).
Do the same in Chrome and I DO get the calculator tool. Yesterday I WAS getting it in Opera too....
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||BrknSoul||8/29/14 3:44 AM|
Please note that versions of Opera above 12.17 are considered a different browser.
Opera 23 is NOT an upgrade to Opera 12.17.
Also reporting this problem on Opera 12.17, Windows 7 x64
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Mirai Kuriyama||8/29/14 3:58 AM|
Well you can use custom user-agent as a workaround.
Go to "opera:config --> User Prefs" and copy this line:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/31.0
to the "Custom User-Agent" field.
Don't forget to click "Save".
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||BrknSoul||8/29/14 4:02 AM|
Excellent. Seems to work. Thank you! ;-)
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||8/29/14 4:11 AM|
Thank for that tip... :-)
Just tried it on my Mac with Chrome and it seems to work, the new style is back but it's causing some glitches with video and photos on Facebook...
Still it's better for now than having to put up with the old style google (which is really awful when you compare it to what we're used to now)... :-)
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Google top bar||8/29/14 5:02 AM|
I can confirm this on Safari 5.1.10 on Snow Leopard.
Cleared cache, deleted history, all cookies, nothing helped.
So, the black top bar menu appears on most of the queries now and the query result look strange.
Now, if I'm 'clever' enough to search for "microwave" first, get the page look normal and then on that search bar do the currency exchange query, or the weather query, the google page is left unresponsive, and no query results are shown any more, like in pics 5 and 6.
This happens in disregard of wether I'm logged in to my google account, or not.
Does anybody have solution for Safari 5.1.10 on Snow Leopard?
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Mirai Kuriyama||8/29/14 5:28 AM|
Btw, here's what you need to do, if you want to use custom user-agent only for google.com site:
1. Open Opera.
2. Go to google.com.
3. Press F12.
4. Edit Site Preferences...
5. Just click OK.
6. Close Opera.
7. Press Win+E.
8. Go to %AppData%\Opera or, if you're using x64 version, %AppData%\Opera\Opera x64.
9. Find override.ini file.
10. Open it with notepad.
11. Find a [www.google.com] block.
12. Add this line
User Prefs|Custom User-Agent=Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/31.0
to the end of it.
13. Save changes.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||8/29/14 5:44 AM|
Here's the solution for Safari 5.1.10 on a Mac using Snow Leopard
If you haven't set up Safari to have the "Devlop" menu available then you'll have to do that first by doing this (shown in the first pic)...
1: Select the menu Safari/ Preferences and then select "Advanced" in the preferences window. Tick/ select the item at the bottom of the window labelled "Show Develop Menu In Menu Bar" (see first picture)
Now in the Safari menu bar you will have a menu called "Develop"...
Go to the "Devlop" menu and from the options pick "User Agent" and then "Other"...
This will open up a window as shown in picture 3 where you must now cut & paste the following line (or type it in)...
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/31.0
Click on "Ok"...
You should now have got rid of the old style Google look and it should be back to the new look. The only thing you will notice is some layouts will look a bit different but for the time being and until Google fixes this problem you at least have the "new look" back... :-)
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Cella Bellevie||8/29/14 6:56 AM|
This morning I wanted to use Google Image Search (reverse search) but I realized that it was impossible because Google had come back to the 2013 version (see the copyright on Google).
I tried to understand all which is written here but did not find any answer.
Using Safari 5.0.6, Mac OSX. I mention that because it has been asked, but I don't see why it should be a navigator problem. Any bug on Google?
Thank you very much in advance for your answer!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||HiEv||8/29/14 7:51 AM|
Opera 12.17 [Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 5.1) Presto/2.12.388 Version/12.17] and Windows XP Pro SP3 in Eastern US.
The problem seems to be that Google Image is treating Opera and Safari as mobile devices, and there is no option to put it into normal/desktop mode.
Note that if you click the "Help" link on a Google Image search page it sends you to the help page for mobile devices:
This, unfortunately, is not the first time a Google site has decided I'm on a mobile device and has given me no way to correct it, which is _really_ frustrating.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Max Dread||8/29/14 7:59 AM|
Your suggestion to:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/31.0 to the "Custom User-Agent" field.
...worked perfectly for me. I've got no idea what it actually did and whether it is a good or bad thing, but at least it delivered results! Thanks for posting.
If Google manage to sort this issue out, should I reverse the procedure and remove that string from the field? Can it cause any problems?
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||HiEv||8/29/14 8:28 AM|
What you did there is basically "disguise" your browser as a Firefox browser, so that Google will treat Opera like it's Firefox and serve the correct page.
Leaving it that way will probably be fine on ~99% of websites, but a few might have Opera specific code that won't get triggered if you leave it that way. I'd recommend putting it back later, but I wouldn't be too worried about it.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Tem1||8/29/14 12:08 PM|
Any news on this bug? All my Macs are affected.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||From Italy||8/29/14 1:42 PM|
I am writing from Italy. I have the same problem with Safari 5.1.10 on Mac OS X 10.6.8.
Since yesterday evening the home page of Google has the old black bar and the search of images is a disaster. I have no technical skills to solve the problem, but I see that a lot of people complain about the same problem and, for this reason, I think that Google will fix this bug as soon as possible. Greetings from Italy.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||DJSigma||8/29/14 1:54 PM|
Thanks for the info on using a custom user agent in Opera. I had already tried masking the browser as IE and Firefox, but it didn't work. The custom user agent option did work. I've noticed a problem with 1 site I use, but I don't use it that often anyway, so it's a nice workaround for now.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||diva42||8/29/14 1:58 PM|
For Linux I'm running Kubuntu 14.04 with Chrome 36.0.1985.125 but I also had the latest Chrome Dev build which I uninstalled as it was affected as well,
these are the steps I took specific to my Distro which is a Debian based branch of Ubuntu
1. Rename Default Folder to Default Backup with browser closed, the location is under home/user/.config/chromium/default
2.Log in to sync and click stop and clear on the bottom of page https://www.google.com/settings/chrome/sync
3.Flush DNS instructions can be found here http://askubuntu.com/questions/414826/how-to-flush-dns-in-ubuntu-12-04
So far so good seem's there is some type of corruption and it's loading a cached copy of old style google
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Aniazi Ednian||8/29/14 2:08 PM|
i am also having this problem.
i am using opera 12.17 on windows 8.1 and i was not having problem until a few hours ago. i do not know if it is google or my browser but a few hours ago i updated from opera 11(i think that is the version i was using) to 12.17 and i was not experiencing this problem on my previous version.
someone may want to look into using older versions of their current browsers to see if maybe the problem is cause by some sort coding that all of the current up to date browsers share. or maybe it is just google's problem but maybe its both and google did some kind of change which doesn't react well with something all of the browsers have.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||nealem||8/29/14 2:08 PM|
Thanks for the reports. I want to assure you this isn't a bug, it's working as intended.
We’re continually making improvements to Search, so we can only provide limited support for some outdated browsers. We encourage everyone to make the free upgrade to modern browsers -- they’re more secure and provide a better web experience overall.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Lea Wells||8/29/14 2:41 PM|
Same here. Image search comes up like the old version. Also, if you are searching articles, when you read one, it no longer highlights to show which ones you've already opened.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||jorge5150||8/29/14 2:57 PM|
Modern browsers are useless crap. The new opera doesn't have bookmarks, search bar and other useful features of opera 12.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||DJSigma||8/29/14 3:09 PM|
In response to the Google employee that posted, the only reason this doesn't work on Opera 12.17 is because of browser sniffing, not because Google doesn't actually work with my browser. "Don't be evil" is your motto, ain't it? Stop trying to force your shit browser on me then and let me use one of my choosing, WHICH ALREADY WORKS FINE WITH YOUR SITE IF YOU DIDN'T DELIBERATELY GIMP IT.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Aniazi Ednian||8/29/14 3:18 PM|
our browsers worked fine with the new google only a day ago and now you're saying that they're outdated?!?! if they worked fine then then they'll work fine now. just because you think the new browsers are better doesn't mean they are!
the new opera and new opera next both got rid of tons amazing features and now we are happy to use what works best for us and you guys feel the need to just change us to a useless version of your service just because you feel like it.
you guys are paid to make searching easy so that your site gains traffic and revenue and yet you're cutting us off for absolutely no reason.
you break it. you fix it.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||diva42||8/29/14 3:21 PM|
If it's not a bug then what is it? I was using the lastest Chrome Dev Version and experienced the same issues old layout old image search all retro versions of Google so tell me how this can be happening on the latest version?
I'm on linux and went through the trouble of reporting this via the report issues link to be told to scan for a virus! Not helpful at all!
I had done numerous fixes but nothing is sticking I'm right back to 2 years ago layout if not longer please give us an answer I can provide whatever you need to further your investigation just tell me what you need!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||DJSigma||8/29/14 3:27 PM|
Exactly Aniazi. I had no issues using Google services before this issue occurred. When I use a custom user agent to fool Google into thinking I'm using Firefox 31, I still have no issues.
The issue is solely down to Google saying "we're not letting you use this browser on our site anymore", but if my browser was truly not compatible with Google's sites, it wouldn't work even with a custom user agent. It works fine.
BTW, for any Opera 12.17 users, use the custom user agent only on Google, following the advice above from Mirai Kuriyama. I found that if I used the custom user agent universally, some sites didn't work properly, including Twitter. By using a custom user agent solely with Google.co.uk, Google's stuff works fine and so do all other sites I use regularly.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||diva42||8/29/14 3:27 PM|
Also I will point out this coincides with google image search turning up all images as Russian Car accident! So you guys broke something
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Kevin Shipman||8/29/14 3:30 PM|
It would seem this is being blamed on out of date browsers- I guess its never a gradual thing, more an overnight shocker- Safari is running at 5.1.10, OK I'm on Snow Leopard but is there an excuse for this with todays technology? I feel like I am on an atari sometimes!!! & for what? Pushing new products is how it looks on the users end, all going hand in hand, latest versions, compatible only with versions.... + and onwards- anyone remember value for money? No? Thats because it died back in the 90's. Get out each others pockets & start doing things for the good of mankind. I'm going back to pen & paper, & for Google/mac I'm drawing a comedy penis.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||diva42||8/29/14 3:36 PM|
Wait you marked your answer as Best answer? It is not!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||diva42||8/29/14 3:39 PM|
I'm going back to Firefox completely removing Chrome
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Aniazi Ednian||8/29/14 3:40 PM|
I reverted back to opera 12.15 in hopes that it would fix the problem but it was a no go.
ok so i did exactly what Max Dread said he did and im able to see twitter just fine so what other pages were breaking for you? i want to test it to see if they work ok.
btw it did work. i got the 2014 google back.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Aniazi Ednian||8/29/14 3:47 PM|
here are the photos of me using modern google on opera 12.15
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MikeWin||8/29/14 3:48 PM|
Then how come it still works when masked as Explorer, still the same "unsafe" browser. And no I will not change browser, just search engine! And when it's time to update my phone I think i might get a Windows phone instead of the new Nexus!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||From Italy||8/29/14 4:37 PM|
Miss Nealem, thanks for your comment, but if your answer is really the thought of Google, I think that many, many people will be angry. Millions of people? It is not correct to intervene in this way without prior notice and certainly everyone will make his choices. I still hope for a rethinking of the company.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Kevin Shipman||8/29/14 4:46 PM|
Could there be a mass mis-communication going on here? From reading the threads, it looks to me like some are complaining about the new browser, and some (like myself) have not changed anything & just woke up this morning to a fried homepage. It is simply identical to the late 00's Google. Now if thats not a bug, or a major f**k up, then I am on the wrong planet, because there are many intelligent people absolutely baffled & confused by the occurrences of the last couple of days.
I suggest somebody takes these public messages very seriously indeed, as I can't imagine anyone being happy going backwards 6-7 years.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||osmankara||8/29/14 4:49 PM|
nealem seems to work for apple i guess :)))
i have snow leopard running on my mb air. safari version i am using is the latest possible for this os x. and having this problem
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||8/29/14 4:53 PM|
And I and plenty of others here assure you it isn't working... here are the facts to prove that...
Here are the simple FACTS about this problem...
1: It has nothing to do with "Outdated Browers", that is a FACT already established by the simple FACT it occurs on the latest Browsers as well as the old ones...
2: As has been proven by others here and myself "Google Functions" are working perfectly on FireFox and for other browsers if you switch your "User Agent" to "FireFox"... FACT
3: This problem is specific to Google themselves after the events of the past 48 hours when their image search was hacked... FACT
4: Coincidentally Google themselves that very same day had changed their search function to comply with new EU privacy laws... FACT
All the above FACTS points the problem to being either the Hack itself has caused more damage than Google are willing to admit to, or the "fix" they put in place to stop the hack has resulted in the breaking of all Google search functions for all browsers except FireFox.
There is also the possibility that this combined with the new search functions Google has had to implement has contributed or is the cause of the problems...
The simple overall fact is... It's got nothing to do with our browsers it's down to whatever has happened at Googles end and whether it was the hack , the changes they had to make to the search functions or a combination of both and they are obviously struggling to fix it...
The answer Google is looking for of course lies in the FACT that the FIREFOX USER AGENT WORKS, so looking there at what that User Agent does than none of the others do will in fact show Google what they need to change to fix this problem out...
Updating all other browsers other than FireFox does not solve this problem as has been proven by plenty of folk, so asking people what browsers or OS they use is pointless and will not help solve this. Google have obviously changed something in their code/ system in the past 48 hours and it is this change/ fix that has broken the system... :-/
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Kevin Shipman||8/29/14 5:03 PM|
They have been grotesque and vulgar in the way products are placed as essential/revolutionary, & then classed as 'vintage' quicker than your local oxfam thrift store...
Does everyone need the internet so badly that they just don't see what a big hideous hustle the whole game is? I doubt anyone is surprised at what is going on here, the reaction says it all- recommending updating your OS ASAP (£££) its just corporate greed. I'm no hippy, but jeez- This is some animal farm fiction & the whole game has been a ball ache since the late 00's, more pain than pleasure from Mac and the search providers. Safer searches? What does it come with tissues now?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm suggesting everyone stays on their current OS, current browser, sticks it out (shit graphics & all) & waits until the puppet masters have no choice but to COME BACK TO THEIR CUSTOMERS.
Anyone (public not staff) hearing this?
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||8/29/14 5:16 PM|
Could you please remove your post as being marked as "Best Answer" as it it clearly not. You are simply insulting everyone one here including myself with you incorrect reply and wrong claims that you make...
It is a FACT that as I and many other have reported here We Are Using The Latest Browsers Including Googles Own Chrome And They Do Not Work...
While you may work or be associated with Google that does not give you the right to insult peoples intelligence here by ignoring the FACTS they are reporting...
You say "it is not a bug" and is "working as intended" well if that it true then that means Google intends all browsers to not be working correctly (except FireFox) and Google intends everyone to be forced to use the old style system of a few years ago...
Seriously, either don't bother replying here with such insulting and unhelpful answers or listen to the people whom are reporting the reality of this situation to you and remove your post as being the "Best Answer" as it not and is in FACT INCORRECT...
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||je14||8/29/14 6:09 PM|
Evidently, Google has decided to leave us all hanging. I'll be switching to Bing until Google starts supporting my current browser. Looks as though I'll be finding a new email service as well. Personally, I'm not going to be forced into costly upgrades so that the Silicon Valley tech giants can make more money. Google may be on top now, but once upon a time, so were Blockbuster, Eastman Kodak, Circuit City, Sears, Enron, Pan Am, Arthur Andersen and hundreds others. I've always been a big supporter of Google, and this is a huge disappointment. If you can support Google Chrome for my OS, why not support the Safari browser I use?
The answer doesn't go much father than dollar signs.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||DJ Sharon||8/29/14 6:32 PM|
Likewise this problem. Using Mac with Safari. Everything is updated. Cookies, cache, all cleared.
Ironically, it is currently working fine on my crappy desktop running XP.
Google, please fix this. It is clearly not us. Thanks!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||8/29/14 6:38 PM|
I'm with you on everything you have said there...
Google and their moderators and admins here on their so called "help forum" have treated everyone here as we were incompetent ignorant fools with their deliberate marking of these thread with a mods "Best Answer" which is totally incorrect despite them being to so by user experiencing these problems...
It's a fact reported by many that the useless generic answer given by the mods here to "update to the latest browser" simply does not solve the problem but they choose to ignore that and treat us with contempt and a fools...
Google have shot themselves in foot big time with this mess and their lack of support for user of their products. Those products may be free but at the end of the day Google wouldn't make any money without us using their products as no company or advertiser would pay them for their services with us end users actually using Google products...
It's beyond belief that Google as a company is run in such a poor manner and that those responsible actually get paid for being some of the most incompetent people in business...
Google... wake up and listen to people because without us you simply wont exist and sort out this sorry mess before you have no user left and therefore no businesses willing to pay you for your services...
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||thunderdragonlady||8/29/14 8:05 PM|
I do websites and logo designs. I need to keep my current browser (Safari 5.1.10) to best work with programs that I need to use.
Changing browsers is not something that will work for me: don't have thousands of dollars to change things, and also the older version has functions I want/need to keep.
I also need the image search image function to work as it did, because it is a major research and reference tool for what I do.
Then I checked Google groups and find out I am not alone, that this mess is happening to millions.
Also, two days ago I realized that links to sites visited from a Google search page no longer change color to show you have already clicked on that. To someone that needs to research, it is the kiss of death.
Bing, however works just fine. I had been spoiled by how awesome Google USED TO BE.
If a Google rep/employee is saying this is progress, it is the same as saying they don't give a flip about a very large segment of their users.
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Efreeti||8/29/14 9:10 PM|
nealem's answer is complete BS
Firstly, Opera 12.17 isn't outdated. Any newer version number of Opera is in fact a different browser with less functionality.
Secondly, it obviously worked completely fine in the new layout for years, up until today. This is undeniably deliberate action, and it's shitting on their users.
By the way guys, by using "Mask as Internet Explorer" I got Google search back to normal...
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||xx1424xx||8/29/14 9:33 PM|
You win the award for the WORST answer!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||HiEv||8/29/14 10:02 PM|
This is not an issue of "supporting outdated browsers", this is about Google not deliberately breaking browsers they _already_ support for no good reason. Safari isn't "outdated", and Opera works completely fine if you trick Google into thinking that it's actually Firefox.
So saying, "this isn't a bug, it's working as intended," is ridiculous unless you "intended" to alienate a bunch of users for no explainable reason.
Rather laughably, your "modern browsers" link includes a link to the very version of Safari that's having a problem (also, it defaulted to Spanish for me, for no apparent reason).
Whoever told you this isn't a bug, clearly did NOT understand what was going on here, and needs to have it explained to him/her/them a bit better.
Please get to the bottom of this issue, rather than blaming others who are _verifiably_ not at fault.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Matrix Wizard||8/29/14 10:39 PM|
Ditto what DJSigma is saying. Same problem here with Win 7 x64 in U.S. Opera 12.17 is the best and sorry Google but Chrome just doesn't work for me the way I like a browser. Search changed just today to the old look. I don't mind the old look, actually somewhat preferred it. But if search isn't going to work right that's a problem. So far for me search does seem to be working okay. Glad to see it wasn't a virus or malware. I was surprised that Firefox and others didn't show this effect but Opera does on rare occasion not work right on some sites - usually obscure sites but I'll live with that occasional hickup due to all the other great things about Opera. Have a good weekend all!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||czarek csgplus||8/29/14 11:46 PM|
If you say that "it's working as intended" please open this link:
I am on Safari 5.1.10 and have the same problems PLUS when I click on one of the links shown in Google search results, open the link and then go back to the search results the link DOES NOT change its color so that it looks as if it has not been viewed. Strange and very annoying. Is this supposed to be an improvement to Search?
Please reply. Thanks.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Neona Kalu||8/30/14 12:41 AM|
Holy s**t nealem, this is the worst feedback I've ever heard from any support ever. You managed to both lie, offend people and be a complete dick in just a couple lines of text.
It is a bug. It is google's fault. If many people around the world have the same problem at the same hour of the same day with same website it's not their fault. And it's not "working as intended", so you're lying.
Opera is a modern browser, it's as fine as Firefox or Chrome, so you're offending all of the people who use it.
And then you mark your crap answer as the best answer. Way to be a dick!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||nrsagittarius||8/30/14 1:03 AM|
..... MSN/BING! Migration time! :D
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||SeattleMourners||8/30/14 1:16 AM|
I am not only having the problems discussed above, but also all of my preferences have now been ignored. I try and set them in the Preference menu as before (see picture one of my settings) and then wind up with an Advanced Search screen that is ignorant of my settings (see picture two of the search screen). If the claim is that they have caused 10-20% of their user base to now have an obsolete search function because the users have older browsers or operating systems, I find that to be absurd. It should be relatively easy to allow any upgrades to be backwardly compatible.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||tedplaysguitar||8/30/14 2:48 AM|
I have the same problem on my iMac running same OS 10.5.8 and Safari 5.0.6. No reverse image facility either. This may be due to the image hack yesterday?
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Steven Bonnett||8/30/14 2:57 AM|
I had the same sort of thing. Yesterday morning when I logged in to use Google Image search in Safari the page was different from normal, with a list of options down the left hand side and no sub search clusters of images at the top. When I clicked on images the black strip didn't come up offering alternative images and access to image or page it just jumped straight to the page, Very irritating!
I initially assumed this was just some ill advised upgrade but when I then tried in Firefox and Google Chrome everything was as usual...
It has been mentioned about old operating systems and browsers, and in my case I am on Mac)S V 10.5.8 and all my search engines are to vatying extents out of date because of compatibility issues but this only makes me less convinced of the explanations given, as if all my browsers are out of date why do some work?
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||SeattleMourners||8/30/14 2:59 AM|
Yes, I am also running a Mac with 10.5.8 and Safari 5.0.6
I don't seem to have this problem on Google Chrome (21.0.1180.90) or Firefox (16.0.1).
I emptied cookies and cache in Safari and it did not change. I would think this is not intentional on Google's part as I would guess 10-20% of their users probably have a browser or OS that is not the latest and greatest and they will begin to lose "clicks" which their advertisers will begin to perceive.
Maybe we have a great stock tip and they will miss analysts' estimates and so it will make a good short or stock to buy puts on??
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||tedplaysguitar||8/30/14 3:35 AM|
with all due respect some may not wish to upgrade for various reason. I use a Mac (Leopard OS 10.5.8, Safari 5.0.6 is the last Browser for that OS) as I have programs that are old and cannot be updated so that is the last OS to work with them. If it is an update to google which means certain features such as reverse image search no longer work for my configuration that is fine, just state so and then google users can seek out other search/reveres image organisations rather than wait to see if this google modification/update/glitch is rectified or changed back.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Cella Bellevie||8/30/14 4:36 AM|
It seems that Google treats us like donkeys...
I have exactly the same configuration as yours. I have tried to find Google Chrome (21.0.1180.90) but was not able to. Would you be so kind as to help me to find it? Thank you very much in advance!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||łódz||8/30/14 5:01 AM|
Thank you for your answer. Even if Safari 5.0.6 is an outdated browser the problem is not that the search results do not appear but the dreadful new layout with tabs on the left which just optically mess up the screen, and the images coming up in small batches, not in a continuous run as before, and again, with some strange tabs on the left which take space and make it impossible to use the page easily and quickly as before. It also looks incredibly ugly. If it's not a temporary bug but new Google Search look, then it's an awful step back and many people will simply switch to other search engines. One shd at least have an option to chose the look one wants.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Morton Slumber||8/30/14 5:50 AM|
I'm on Safari 5.1.10 and as far as I know, this doesn't update any more on Snow Leopard Mac. It's not so much the awful webpage search, but image search is now redundant. Even when it was old, you could view the pic, and not HAVE to view the page the image is on like we do now? Are you basically saying that unless we update to a new browser, then Google says 'hard luck'?
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Cella Bellevie||8/30/14 6:04 AM|
• To sum up:
Since a few hours a lot of users are obliged to use Google © 2013.
For them, Google © 2014 does not exist anymore. With it have gone all the wonderful options.
Whatever our browsers and systems, Google © 2014 was working perfectly.
There is no reason why it should not anymore, suddenly.
We need Google to really solve the problem and to give us serious and respectful answers.
Some of us feel offended and by that problem and by your answer, Nealem.
If the problem is not solved by Google and if that oblige us to upgrade our systems, we will feel that that is a case of infringement of personal freedom.
Indeed be conscious that some of us are poor, really poor. Because they have no means should they be obliged to suffer such a step back? Be deprived of precious tools?
Google has made us highly appreciate its wonderful ©2014 tools.
On the one hand: terrible to say, now we need them; they help us in our life.
On the second hand: everyone must be equal on Google.
Please, Google: we ask you to bring back Google © 2014.
Looking forward your serious and respectful answers. Looking forward the solution.
Thank you for your attention.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||S3xyGerkin||8/30/14 6:48 AM|
well, I found this thread and noticed I'm really not the only one in this situation.
I'm using Safari 5.1.10 which is the last version running on Snow Leopard and that I don't consider to be outdated.
Anyway, to get rid of the old 2012 google, just edit you User Agent String to a newer version of your browser... this way google has no way to tell you're actually using a "non-modern browser"
In safari, go to preferences/advanced/show develop menu.
Then in the develop menu, user agent/others and paste the following string :
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_7_5) AppleWebKit/536.29.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/6.0.4 Safari/536.29.13
For Firefox, you can just download the extension "user agent switcher" and BAM
Hope it helps :)
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Google top bar||8/30/14 7:02 AM|
Yes, I agree with you totally. Updating to Mavericks would render my lat 2009 white Macbook USELESS.
Thanks for the workaround.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Cella Bellevie||8/30/14 7:04 AM|
Using Safari 5.0.6, Mac OSX 10.5.8.
I am not a specialist so I ask you: can I copy past the line [ Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_7_5) AppleWebKit/536.29.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/6.0.4 Safari/536.29.13 ]?
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||wunkhopper||8/30/14 7:52 AM|
Well, Nealem, Google should have told us of this in advance. It's not as if Google has no web presence to be able to get in touch with us. Instead, I and many others all wasted an hour or two of our time doing the responsible thing and checking our own computers' health, clearing caches and experimenting with other browsers etc, only to resort to this forum and be told almost 'inadvertently' by you (and only because we asked), that you have just made our computers obsolete overnight. Your offhandedness is disgraceful. I'm running Snow Leopard on a an eight year old mac which won't run later version of Safari but it does everything else perfectly. And I don't use Google Chrome, because I don't like it, it lacks some features I need. I can't afford a new computer and Mountain Lion would slow it down to a crawl. What gives you the right to just knock out my Mac's image search ability? First you monopolise the search world and lead us into dependency on you product, then you cut us off like orphans just because we don't have a new computer! Change it BACK, NOW please!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||wunkhopper||8/30/14 8:04 AM|
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Gr Bay||8/30/14 8:09 AM|
So basicly from one day own Opera 12 stopped been "modern" enough and became old according to google. Funny, before that opera 12 was totally mordern to run the present layout, now it has to use the old one? Why if the browser hasn't changed?
Google code is so great... wait, Bing images work in Opera 12 same way it always did!? WTF ?
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||wunkhopper||8/30/14 8:11 AM|
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||łódz||8/30/14 8:27 AM|
I totally agree. The "new" version is user unfriendly, ugly to look at, and esp. the images section quite useless now for any research. Amazingly enough, my Google still runs as before on my Microsoft 7 which I also have on my Mac, but I use Safari all the time and Explorer only sometimes as it is not as safe as Apple, and I rather switch to another search engine than use this awful new Google search with idiotic bar on the left. Another client lost to Google...
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||łódz||8/30/14 8:38 AM|
I'm worse off, on Safari 5.0.6, however I don't see why I shd be upgrading my whole computer just bcs Google search doesn't work any longer but everything else works fine. It's appalling, off-hand treatment by Google of it's clients which basically promotes inequality in giving better service to those who can buy new pc or upgrade their existing one, and worse service to those who can't or don't want to. Hello, is it really an American company where political correctness and equality are law of the country?
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||łódz||8/30/14 8:58 AM|
Hello, I think you are a v kind computer wizard to give us this string. I did on my Mac exactly what you said and pasted the string into the development menu, and sadly, after reopening, I still got the ghastly "new" look Google search with only 5 photos on the main page, and the dreadful little photos in the Images section with idiotic left side tabs totally unhelpful and useless. Perhaps the string didn't work as I have Safari 5.0.6, but anyway, many thanks. If you wd know how to work it on my Mac, I'd be v grateful.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Dana Langford||8/30/14 10:03 AM|
Me TOO... I need help with this problem
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Fauve Fauteux||8/30/14 10:05 AM|
So I need to buy a new computer because I can't get updated Safari version ?
Wow, thanks Google !
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MaidMarian54||8/30/14 10:30 AM|
I've had the same problem in Safari 5.0.6 for the last couple days. Frustrating to say the least!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Tem1||8/30/14 11:09 AM|
Me thinks it is time to move on from Google as will millions of others when they start comparing this defunct dated search engine to the newer and better alternatives.
And for every person that ditches Google as their browser they're losing a potential advertiser; I certainly won't be using Google to promote my business when they treat customers like this.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Morton Slumber||8/30/14 1:21 PM|
Can we now assume that if you are having a problem with a browser that's been perfectly adequate but now won't work because GOOGLE changed something to annoy us, they aren't going to do anything about it?
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Cyrill Arzer||8/30/14 1:29 PM|
oh great .. now you're totally leaving the fine Opera behind..... the real Opera and not that chromium-based SHIT that came instead!! .. great, that's just awesome damn it . Of course we don't need a high-functional fully customizable serious web browser.. that's lame . all we need is a Google Chrome .. and Google Chrome 2 as Firefox .. and now it's Google Chrome 3 as Opera 20 .... 3 Google Chromes , that's what we need... well done.
I'm not saying Chrome is bad .. it's a nice choice for opening something different from current pages related to work, web serfing.. or as a default browser cause it's pretty light and fast . but ... first opera gets kicked .. and now it's becoming totally obsolete .... it's just .. so sad you know ...
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||jdrpinus||8/30/14 1:32 PM|
What a load of **
You've screwed it up and you are now insulting us.
Until this afternoon I could do rapid image searches with the thumbnails expanding when clicked. Not now.
The 30 minutes I usually spend on a Saturday evening choosing pictures for Sunday morning has now taken so long that I have abandoned it, and our newsletter will have to be text only.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||_cde||8/30/14 1:39 PM|
You mean that Google INTENTIONALLY broke support for Macs and Safari , even when the browser works 100% with it? When a simple user agent spoof (to IE 9 Windows!!!) makes it work again? If its working why intended, that means Google does not want people to use Google?
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||łódz||8/30/14 2:42 PM|
It definitely seems that way...
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||micro77s||8/30/14 5:09 PM|
If the new version displayed correctly on Safari 5.1.10 up until this past week, why on earth does it have to go backwards now? Makes no sense and this is a colossal pain in the butt for me because now I have to change my home page to Bing or Yahoo search -- is that the result you intended? Those of us who cannot afford to upgrade our Macs just yet are not willing to be forced to use Opera, Chrome or Firefox (all of which display the Google homepage correctly and up to date).
And the reason I’m switching to Bing or Yahoo is because their image search is most like the current version of Google Image. Your old one completely sucks -- why are you doing this to us? Really disappointed in Google right now. Please change it back and all is forgiven.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Angie_nama||8/30/14 5:37 PM|
I'm using the latest version of safari, what the hell is going on????
This is just getting ridiculous.
You are telling people a solution when it seems you haven't even seen the problem, or you have seen it and you are choosing to annoy thousands. If you did look at any of the posts on this discussion, you will see that the useless and silly answer you have given, has helped no one and has only caused more frustration.
If the employees are going to be vague and give solutions that make zero sense, I believe it will be best to just stay quiet. As the lack of effort being put into seeing why almost all users are complaining is just disrespectful.
You are a joke, saying "it's working as intended". I'm sorry did you miss all the complaints, good luck to you if you are a person that can say its all running smoothly with thousands if not millions all over the world saying there is a problem.
Do yourself a favour and go back to wonderland. Peace.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||osmankara||8/30/14 6:20 PM|
i tried the user agent method. it worked but when i open a new tab or start safari it reverts to the default agent. i also tried to make it permanent using terminal but couldn't.. anyway i am fed up with safari and using firefox now.
if this ridiculous problem starts i firefox i'll jump to another.. another and other. if no browser left to work then will jump to bing yahoo yandex or else.
i was planning to upgrade my late 2010 mb air for some reasons but just for spite i am going to keep it and keep running snow leopard, till it is totaly broken.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Skippo||8/30/14 8:52 PM|
Nealem: Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.
On Friday, August 29, 2014 5:08:56 PM UTC-4, nealem wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> Thanks for the reports. I want to assure you this isn't a bug, it's working as intended.
> We’re continually making improvements to Search, so we can only provide limited support for some outdated browsers. We encourage everyone to make the free upgrade to modern browsers -- they’re more secure and provide a better web experience overall.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Eduardo Cezar||8/30/14 9:01 PM|
I'm having to dig through all this crap and read this ridiculous excuse coming from a Google employees?
...Plain 2014 and ... I thought we were past that point...
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||micro77s||8/30/14 9:17 PM|
What a waste! We depend on this product all day every day numerous times a day and they go out of their way to frustrate us? We might as well be on Facebook where Mark Z does this to his Facebook users on a regular basis …. maybe Z boy and Giggle have teamed up to taunt us a second time ~~
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||diva42||8/30/14 9:28 PM|
I'm being completely ignored my original post was redirected to this thread and marked as duplicate which I have the same issue but I'm not running Opera in fact my Version of Chrome is Developers and is more current then the stable release look at my video for god's sake you will see this odd behavior it keeps reverting from old layout to new layout at any given moment I can't upgrade any further there is nothing newer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhs9xnojjDY&list=UUOWGCfB92w21jt8Eg-tHs5A
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||8/30/14 9:55 PM|
You really should allow people to post comments on your video, this is a very important subject for lot's of people being affected by this complete shambles that Google has created...
Don't feel alone in that you're being completely ignored as it's happening to all of us here along with our post being moved...
There's not much chance of getting an answer from any actual Google employees here either as it's a holiday weekend and they won't be back till Tuesday. Even then I seriously doubt Google will do anything about this. It's seems they've decided to change the way things work and if that affects people using browsers like Safari & Opera (and even Chrome) then it looks like they don't care and that's the way its going to be from now on I'm afraid..
Google have really shot themselves in the foot big time. They will lose many users because of their foolish actions and that in turn will hurt them when the companies whom Google rely on to pay them for their services suddenly notice a big drop in customers & traffic...
Bad news is it's looking like Google are ignoring thousand of people yet again just like they did recently when they forced YouTube users to have "Google+" accounts and lost thousands of YouTube channel owners through it. They obviously don't care how many thousands or hundreds of thousands of users the lose as they still have enough folk that don't care about these problems and don't speak up about them and so that's enough for Google to keep on ignoring those of us who do care and speak up about this poor quality service/ treatment...
Afraid it's all over for lots of us with Google because I seriously doubt they will give us back what they have taken away as we no matter how many of us there are simply don't matter to them... :-/
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Jamshid Tabrizi||8/30/14 10:11 PM|
You claim that everyone should upgrade to modern browsers, including Safari 5 and everything would work fine! This is a big lie, as I use Safari 5 and it doesn't work!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||bluequoll||8/30/14 10:17 PM|
For your information, diva42 has not been ignored, despite what he/she said. I've already escalated the specific case reported by diva42 in a different thread for Google's attention, because I considered it to be inconsistent with what I understood from Google employee nealem's reply in this discussion. Just as I separately escalated your own thread for a similar reason.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||bluequoll||8/30/14 10:28 PM|
To Jamshid Tabrizi:
I've no idea whether or not Safari 5 is a "modern" browser in Google's eyes but, if Google are treating Safari 5 as an out-of-date browser, it could well be because Apple themselves stopped supporting it a year ago. It may be still in active use, but that alone doesn't make it "modern"!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||aznxknight||8/30/14 10:58 PM|
I have the latest version of Opera so what's the big f**** deal? Some users are still having problems on the "modern browsers" as well so this just doesn't make any sense.
I heard bing doesn't do this. It's not too late to switch!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||8/31/14 12:10 AM|
So this "Nealem" is actually a Google employee and not just a normal "user" giving their time here as a moderator or admin... That's very interesting to know and throws a whole new light on this entire subject...
Well as this rather abrupt and unhelpful & indeed insulting "Nealem" has stated that Quote: "it's working as intended." then are we to assume from this that it is not a bug or glitch or anything of that sort and in fact this is a result of deliberate actions by Google to change things that has resulted in messing up thousands of people ability to be able to use Google unless they revert back to the "old style" Google layout & features of several years ago ???
For me if that's the case then this is the last straw. I'm going to start looking at alternative companies options and shall be no longer using any Google products where I can help it starting with Gmail & Googles search engine...
It's unbelievable but not surprising really that Google is happy to treat people this way as their actions have proven in the very recent past they simply don't care about the end users and it's all about the money. Google must be run by the most incompetent business people of all time (despite Googles earnings & profits) if they think treating who knows how many tens of thousands of people (probably more like hundreds of thousands) in this shoddy & pathetic manner and thinking they will still remain the premiere company in this field...
The fact they are going to lose one hell of a lot of traffic and people whom used Google services/ products untl this debacle will soon enough hit Google hard when businesses from whom Google earns their money realise and see a huge drop in traffic because people cannot even find them via a search easily anymore...
This has to be one of the worst decisions and downright dumb things any high profile company has done in the entire history of the internet, it's a shame and a disgrace but in the end Google has just put the last nail in their own coffin for countless people all over the world and it's Google who will have to pay a high financial price for that... :-/
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Angie_nama||8/31/14 12:21 AM|
Wow so what you are saying is, google suddenly decided that safari 5 isn't modern and is out of date but even though the standard google worked just fine on safari, they believe it best to just take it away randomly.
As you said Apple stopped supporting safari a year ago....why did Google not not change back then????
Why didn't Google warn many of their loyal users????
Why isn't Google even looking at the issues multiple people have with this????
Everything was working fine with the so called "out-of-date browser" just a day ago, this is crap.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Google ImagesHELP||8/31/14 12:27 AM|
This is really ridiculous. Google was running just fine on Safari 5 for a long time. Now, because Google no longer wants to support updates or 'improvements', the browser has been reverted or downgraded. If Google no longer wants to improve upon its functionality on Safari 5, Opera, etc. and only further updates on newer versions of these browsers, that's really fine, but there was absolutely no need whatsoever to revert to a clunkier version of Google on those browsers. Especially when things were working just fine.
Given that this was intended, you've admitted to being part of a shit decision. Furthermore, it is NOT working. We've got 3 pages plus of frustrated people exclaiming just that. This reversion is nothing more than a nuisance.
This nonsense really needs to change.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||czarek csgplus||8/31/14 12:59 AM|
The whole thing stinks. Please open this link
and you will see that Safari 4.0+ should be supported. At least this is my understanding. Correct me if I'm wrong.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Max Mustermann1||8/31/14 1:59 AM|
I don't want to call anybody a liar, but it's just not true.
I have tried chrome and firefox and I stick to Opera 12.17 because it's more secure and provides a better web experience.
For instance, I can easily delete things from the source code of a web page if they annoy me or if they are threat for my security. Non of the "new" browsers can do that for me.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||łódz||8/31/14 2:32 AM|
I so much agree! The most idiotic and unhelpful answer ever... How did this woman ever find a job and is allowed to answer problems on behalf of such a huge company like Google?
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||łódz||8/31/14 2:46 AM|
And what business has Google on pronouncing what people shd be using on their computers? Is it part of Apple and since when? It's just a search engine and shd work on all browsers still in use. Now it has reverted to 2013 look making itself truly obsolete, and changed it's Image search to a pile of unusable junk. How does it help anyone and how does it make Google search experience better for those who already use suitable search engines but depriving of proper service those who can't or don't want to change or upgrade? From day to day I just stopped using Google which I used for years bcs Images were the fastest way to research anything, and now they simply don't work apart from being incredibly ugly to look at, so what in the end has Google gained in customer usage and satisfaction?
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||łódz||8/31/14 2:50 AM|
This is hard to believe that someone like this Nealem is allowed by Google to answer customer's (as this is what we all are to Google using their services) queries on their behalf in such a stupid, unhelpful and insulting us all way
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||emilycurious||8/31/14 7:09 AM|
So you've written code to specifically alter how older browsers display images, because they worked fine a few days ago...
Thank you for listening to your customers.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Billy Lee Walker||8/31/14 7:13 AM|
JUNK JUST LIKE OUR YAHOO HOME PAGE NOTHING BUT JUNK! I'LL BE USING BING.......
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Wicked Steve||8/31/14 8:13 AM|
This is so messed up. I decide what is the better web experience for me on my platform. I can't afford a new Mac. And anything past Snow Leopard runs too slow on my hardware. These strong arm tactics are really getting old. What a bunch of jerks.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Leanne4812||8/31/14 8:39 AM|
You're clearly in a state of panic. Please stop posting the same rambling opinion over and over again. You aren't adding anything new to the thread at all - besides your reworded tantrum.
We are all experiencing the same problem. We are all inconvenienced. We all don't understand the step backwards. We all think that the "Nealem" answer is downright fishy.
You aren't the spokesperson, nor do you understand the problem better than anyone else does. You aren't going to speed up the process by posting here every 2 hours.
Time to wait for a satisfactory reply...from Google, or whomever has the answer.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||diva42||8/31/14 9:22 AM|
Just to be clear I was being ignored at the time I posted here now I am not just have to wait like everyone else
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||andromedaegalaxy||8/31/14 9:28 AM|
same thing happened with me, I use Opera 12.17
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Wicked Steve||8/31/14 9:31 AM|
You are clearly mistaken. I have only posted once.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Alex Queiroz||8/31/14 10:20 AM|
can you please get back my old version, now it's terrible to search anything, absolute terrible, or please tell me any company that does search too, because if isn't go back, I have to go to you competitor, and hope that everyone does
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Chris Ibsen||8/31/14 10:41 AM|
This is absolutely ridiculous. So Safari 5.1.10 (which I use) worked fine less than a week ago, now according to this google idiot nealem it is 'outdated". Chrome is a poor browser sorry I'm never going to update to it. I even dropped my Tumblr account because of repeated attempts to get me to upgrade.
Newsflash: Apple is having trouble getting diehard Snow Leopard users to convert to a newer OS. I use Snow Leopard because quite frankly I'm a desktop Mac user and hate how everything has to be mobile these days. I also like the speed (my g/f has Mavericks and it's tediously slow). We all know no OS has been decent since Snow Leopard and all these strong arm techniques by Apple and Google to get people to convert will never work. I'll go down with the ship if I have to. YOU DO NOT dictate what kind of web experience I want- I DO! Get it Google? Apple?
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||ShemBob||8/31/14 10:56 AM|
And Miss Nealem? I'll become BING devotee—that's right, BING—before I move like a puppet to Google's string pulling will. Think you can force a select group of loyal users to have to trash their current system sets ups, or worse, go out and purchase a new computer because your "suits" have decided certain "little people" browser populations don't matter?
"They can take away our lives. But they will never take away our F-R-E-E-D-O-M!" --- William Wallace
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||HiEv||8/31/14 11:19 AM|
Congratulations, you made the news:
The Register (8/31/'14)
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Gville R||8/31/14 11:34 AM|
Very poor decision to make this 'work as intended'. Now, I'm not a programmer, but it seems like it should be possible for Google to still make improvements to Search, but allow the 'outdated browsers' to continue to see what we did last week. We wouldn't get any shiny new options, but we wouldn't have any taken away either!
I have two Macs at home with OS X 10.6.8 with Safari 5.1.x . My office, for various reasons, is running the same OS & Safari. Because it loads quickly & we use it constantly, Google is the homepage on the computers I personally setup. This may need to change if my Safari 5 users cannot use Google search as they did just a week ago!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Pablo Wooly||8/31/14 11:37 AM|
Don't worry, you're not alone. Chrome does this too (at least mine does). Apparently Google wanted to kick users of old browsers in the nuts but got a few formerly happy users in the process. Guess I'll use Firefox more. FU Google.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Pablo Wooly||8/31/14 11:40 AM|
Congrats! It's effed up in chrome too. Stick your heavy handed tactics someplace uncomfortable. Formerly happy chrome user now switching to Firefox.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||DJSigma||8/31/14 12:14 PM|
Good on The Register for reporting this!
I can understand wanting users to have an optimal experience, which may mean trying to push them into upgrading to a newer version of a browser if Google's homepage no longer works due to the old browser not supporting new web technology, but that's not the case here. They are simply browser sniffing and saying "nope, you can't use this anymore!", even when the site still works FINE when the browser agent is spoofed.
Google already use shady methods of trying to get Chrome on people's machines, such as bundling it in with various installers (Flash for example), so if you're not careful, you can end up both installing Chrome and making it your default browser just because you didn't 100% pay attention to each step of the installer for a completely different program.
I've used Chrome and it's just not for me. Compared to Opera 12.17 it lacks a TON of features. Some of those missing features can be added in via extensions, but some can't. There are lots of people who just want a simple, basic web browser, but I'm not one of them. There are plenty of Opera users still using Opera 12.17 for this very reason. At some point it will get to the stage where Opera 12.17 no longer works on the sites I want to use for genuine reasons, e.g. because Opera doesn't support a web technology that the site is using, but that is not the case with Google's services now. I'm using user agent spoofing so Google.co.uk thinks I'm using Firefox 31 and lo and behold, the site works perfectly in Opera again.
A dismissable warning that says "Your browser is outdated and may not be properly supported on this site. Please consider updating blah blah" would be fine, as long as when you dismiss it, it doesn't keep popping back up (i.e. make the warning cookie-based), but the browser sniffing being used now is completely unnecessary and is just annoying people for no good reason.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Romeo Dobbelsteen||8/31/14 12:25 PM|
I don't understand why this hasn't been fixed yet.
As far as I'm aware all other Google functions and tools still work in the new layout and hasn't reverted back this problem only affects the search functions. This includes the Help area where we are all replying now.
Clearly this isn't a problem with our browsers as they have worked fine before with the new layout for a while. Also concerning what is considered an outdated browser does not cover the specs that people have been listing according to Googles requirement page.
It's disgusting that Google has not addressed this properly in a professional manner or even given a reason. Forcing people to update or switch when they don't want to or can't is ridiculous.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||8/31/14 1:39 PM|
Quote: "You're clearly in a state of panic. Please stop posting the same rambling opinion over and over again."
Erm firstly, who died and put you in charge of telling people what to do ? & Secondly, in your astute & esteemed position as something of an armchair expert on Psychiatry then I have to inform you that you're diagnosis is completely wrong and I'm certainly not panicking (or even close to being even a tad bit worried)...
Seriously though, I will say and post what I want when I want on this subject and don't need the "ramblings" of someone like yourself telling me what to do. If you don't like or want to read my posts then don't... it's really quite a simple task to do (even for you)...
Do tell, where exactly did I claim to be a "Spokesman" ??? Hmmm... Oh that's right I DIDN'T but I reckon just like you got everything else wrong about me it's hardly surprising you got that wrong too as you obviously have reading difficulties and just make things up in your head instead...
Rest assured I do understand the problem far better than you at least and unlike you having waited 3 days already for a "satisfactory answer" and not even having been given any answer at all (other than the insult Nealem posted) I will continue to ask questions on this subject and give my opinion until THE ANSWER is forthcoming....
Now off you go and await a nice Google employee to post the "Satisfactory Answer" you calmly & patiently await (might want to go on a 3 months cruise while you do) and I shall stay here and speak on behalf of you panicking and rambling in a very panicky and rambly manner as I can muster every 2 hours...
Awe Ra Best
MadFranko ( A complete bag of nerves & former world rambling champion 1826 to 1832 )
PS: You don't work for Google perchance... do you... :-O
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Thom Pfeifer||8/31/14 5:43 PM|
You think with all the responses they are getting Google could just leave well enough alone and return the search pages to the way it was.
Which was easy to use.
Now we get the old page?
So, what is we like Safari and hate Chrome. I am not a fan of Chrome at all.
So why the big deal to tell us what browsers to use.
How about we tell you what we think of Google now.
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Kevin Shipman||8/31/14 6:18 PM|
Google's customers are angry & venting their frustration. Google know this & like the wounded in war, the cause of the few was a small price to pay compared with the backhand deal they have with Safari/Apple. "But why would they disable Safari on behalf of Apple?" Why to get Mac users to upgrade, of course!
We all know whats going on, every day people of varying degree's of intelligence & business experience know what is going on, because they are feeling it. There is no other explanation other than money & gluttony. The fact remains though, that Google couldn't give a shit- unless every single one of us sticks with the old browser, don't upgrade our OS's & back off, they won't listen because the idiots that jump to their beat are the ones to be upset with, or at least to educate & appeal to.
If Hitler had had the internet, the world would have been completely f***ed, with that power & fear the man had over people. Well, there are many little Hitlers alive today, in your homes, in your work places & in your life at some level- your fear is to be outdated. That fear was built by the technology marketing giants. Put an end to it, take a stand, put a middle finger in the air & go without the internet for as long as it takes to get these distorted money pigs to realise we pay the bills. Be honest, how much do you love the internet? It is information you seek, go to a library.
Sacrifice today, wake up & do something that will change tomorrow. Without sacrifices, changes cannot be made. As Google have demonstrated.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Kevin Shipman||8/31/14 6:26 PM|
Please have a good read of the posts here & don't dismiss the angry/vulgar comments left by many- there is no quick fix other than to upgrade your OS. This is an Apple scam, they have clearly paid Google handsomely to get people upgrading to Maverick or nearby.
Up to you, but just to suggest you don't comply & join the peoples revolution- cope with it, find another browser, but don't upgrade your Mac until you are ready & feel it a decision made by you for the right reasons, not just to have access to what you had before- its no less than bullying, almost blackmail, & it shouldn't be allowed.
Good luck :)
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||CaptMyCapt||8/31/14 7:01 PM|
I am using the more current version of Safari. How can I get the Google new version back? Please let me know.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Kevin Shipman||8/31/14 7:08 PM|
I hear you loud & clear.
In 2008, I bought my first computer- It was the macbook pro (cost me a FORTUNE!) with the faulty graphics chip that failed within 2 years.
This was a well documented fault that caused much upset to Apple customers, which was met with Apple's response: "These models are now
classed as obsolete vintage computers" !!!!! I kid you not....
From that issue, & getting no help from Apple, I have become very interested what is happening with the technology market, & just want others to know.
Your problem is that someone has paid for your computer to experience problems, to force you to have to pay money to get it back to how it was.
Your decision is to think what matters the most- If it is your studies (and your future) then no one can argue with you. But if you ask yourself
if this is right or wrong, now or in 10 years time, your answer will be the same- It is wrong.
I believe in contributing to this world things to benefit all in the future, and allowing ourselves to be cornered like this just opens the floodgates to a
poor quality existence.
It is ridiculous, but the important thing to consider carefully is that it is real, it is happening, and only we have the power to say if it continues or stops here.
If I find a good solution/a great browser to replace the old/new google, will post it up here...
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Kevin Shipman||8/31/14 7:12 PM|
Unless you upgrade to Mavericks. Its not the version of Safari that is the problem, it is the fact that Apple (Safari) have paid off Google to get you to upgrade your Mac OS.
Simple plain truth, spread it around & say goodbye to Google, or be their bitch & upgrade to Mavericks...
Welcome to the graveyard of Apple/Google haters.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Barb Maxx||8/31/14 8:20 PM|
That is so not going to happen! Hello Bing, Here I come! Your loss Google!
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Max Dread||9/1/14 12:17 AM|
I posted a while back about the problems I was having on my PC using Opera 12.17. The workaround is still doing the job.
But I am curious to how this develops and share the feelings of the disappointed (understatement) contributors.
One question to satisfy my curiosity.... Are Mac/Safari users experiencing the same problem (i.e. the old style Google with the black bar at the top and the "filters" down the left hand side)? Or is something else going on for you?
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||chromium is not your friend||9/1/14 1:04 AM|
Thanks for the reports. I want to assure you this isn't a bug, it's working as intended.
We’re continually making improvements to Search, so we can only provide limited support for some outdated browsers. We encourage everyone to make the free upgrade to modern browsers -- they’re more secure and provide a better web experience overall.
I want everyone to know I am a technician this woman is a liar flat out, knows nothing about browsers nothing about computers.Google bought out Opera to destroy it and they did. Opera logo they kept but underneath it's now chromium. A former Shell of itself. This woman works for Google your on a Google page what do you expect
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Kevin Shipman||9/1/14 2:02 AM|
This was never about Modern browsers, nor does it require any 'support' to run Safari as it was a few days ago.
This is the rotten maggot of Apple at work here, paying off Google to help force Mac OS upgrades & oil
the cogs of global capitalism.
Disgusted with all involved & Apple are on there way out, especially with those like myself who have watched
the company fall from grace. Since S.J passed away (God bless) the company turned into a Crab Apple overnight,
even the commercials went to sh*t. The staff are a bunch of fluffy geek-a-like clones & its now the most insincere
generic grotesque non user friendly sham on the planet. I just wish more of the general public, & above all the
youth who are most vulnerable to aggressive marketing & image models, understood the reasons for these
occurrences- CONTROL. OF YOU AND YOUR MONEY.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Tem1||9/1/14 5:06 AM|
I'm not disagreeing with you Kevin, but can you offer a non-Apple alternative, which I can buy that doesn't have any negative ethical consequences? All corporations, institutions and governments are fundamental corrupt in one way or another and its impossible to completely contain the ramifications of our transactions.
Apple are successful at capitalism, which is the economic model the west have instilled. We are all having to operate within this structure and will lose out if we make decisions based on 'good nature.' If people want to support a future where technology is developed to benefit mankind then they should consider The Venus Project. Until then success for one will always result in suffering for many and you can't blame people for wanting to be the successful ones.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Torin Johansen||9/1/14 5:35 AM|
Shorthand for: 'Hey everybody, we know you're using a perfectly respectable browser that is up to date and modern and perfectly serviceable, but its not Chrome so we're just going to try to force you to use Google products. If you could just switch as soon as possible, that would be grrreeeeaaaaattt.....'
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Kevin Shipman||9/1/14 5:46 AM|
Thanks Tem1- I'm not disagreeing with you either, its a valid point you make. I'm no hippy or idealist, nor do I believe in utopia, my head is
firmly 6ft above my feet on planet Earth. I just can't say that I gracefully accept the privatisation of the peoples highway & the patronising
diplomacy on offer as an answer. And no, wars are not fought on good nature, but allies are not made through dishonesty either, which
is my complaint here. I don't personally believe in shrugging it off & saying 'thats how it is.'
Much of the radical changes & revolutionary movements throughout history have come from those that don't lie down, and usually with
personal sacrifice & suffering- but with admirable defiance & spirit. These were individuals, not clones.
I wouldn't ever blame anyone for wanting to be successful- success is a very broad term & means different things to different people.
There is success, and then there is world domination- I think our service providers & hardware hosts could count themselves successful
with an 8th of their current global markets. I'm in no way suffering, its just a screen in my living room- my point is that this isn't about success-
its about shared success. If the customers voices were important, success would be felt on both sides. It isn't. Thats bad business.
I'm in a position to upgrade my OS anytime, flip browsers at my will, its the forced herding I am opposed to. Doesn't mean I can change it, or
plan to storm Google/Apple HQ's wearing a Ninja costume after watching Kick ass 300 times. I just have zero respect for them.
Peace & love!! ;)
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||22blah22||9/1/14 5:52 AM|
Of course coming here for answers as I'm experiencing the same thing as everyone else.
After realizing that changing the "User Agent" to "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_7_5) AppleWebKit/536.29.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/6.0.4 Safari/536.29.13" restored the original function I'm trying to look for a way to permanently stick this as a preference.
I found online that I could change the "Default custom user agent" by modifying the com.apple.safari.plist file, changing whatever it is there with the previously stated string....
However this is not working right now, even though the plist gets modified and saved, Safari still opens up with the option "Default (Automatically chosen)" which is not the version of the string.
Any help? Thanks.
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||A Google Reader user||9/1/14 9:39 AM|
Sorry but I disagree. Opera 12.17 is 4 months old.
vs other browsers:
What is "outdated browsers" according to you?
I would like to know exact reason for this,
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||22blah22||9/1/14 9:45 AM|
Find the plist file with your spotlight (be sure to include system files in your search).
You can modify the text with TextWrangler or with Plist Editor.
You can even use TextEdit.
Beware you are modifying Safari's preference file, I'm not an expert so I cannot guide you too much and I don't know just how much wrong can you do if you make a mistake.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Larry Lavendel||9/1/14 10:56 AM|
This is also happening on my laptop using the Safari, I get the old Google interface and search results pages:
In Crome and Firefox however, the Google interface that I get is the current one.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Ricky Bobby 2||9/1/14 12:20 PM|
I am using the latest version of Chrome and I have this problem, everything is fucked up.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||micro77s||9/1/14 12:27 PM|
As much as I love all the Apple/Google conspiracy theories, this one may be hard to prove because the problem is being displayed so randomly.
On my MacBookPro 10.6.8 running Snow Leopard, Opera 23 is displaying correctly, as is Firefox 21 and Chrome 37 (duh) …. Safari 5.1.10 seems to be the main fail, along with ancient browsers for the Mac like Camino and AOL Desktop.
In my Lion partition running Mac 10.7.5 (which is at least two years old), Safari 6.1.6 is displaying correctly, as is Firefox 27.0.1 and Opera 23.
Not sure what’s going on, but I am sure that the same Google rep will show up here tomorrow morning with clean white sneakers and braided armpits, telling us once again that it’s ‘displaying correctly’ as intended. Then she will sit down and drink milk all day and feel good that she did her one job for the week.
Or, they will just fix it without explanation, which is what I hope they do so we can all get back to work.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||diva42||9/1/14 1:09 PM|
Clicked you link and
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Jackal-sk||9/1/14 1:18 PM|
Well then make the Chrome Browser to have side tabs if you think they'll migrate to Chrome.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Jackal-sk||9/1/14 1:19 PM|
No side tabs in new Opera :(
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Drew Banfield||9/1/14 1:31 PM|
This is a shameful act by GOOGLE!! If it is not fixed soon you will have lost any customer loyalty you would have from me and force me further away from Google and Android!!!
I had respect for Google as a company who produced great products for everyone to use but now you are just doing the same as the other giants and trying to force people to use your products only and monopolize the market.
Region blocking apps and games on the play store isn't really helping either btw!!
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||micro77s||9/1/14 3:12 PM|
Has anyone yet mentioned that this might be a conflict with the latest update of Flash since Google tends to use it quite often on their main page?
Gee, maybe I’ll Google that ….. no wait that’s terrible …..
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||ArmandoCcs||9/1/14 3:50 PM|
I'm running Google on Safari (version 5.1.10), same problem. Back to old format.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Ellie Smith||9/1/14 4:40 PM|
The should have just left the fucking thing alone
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Kablah||9/1/14 8:19 PM|
Opera 12 is 2+ years-old. It was released on June 12th, 2012. Saying Opera 12.17 is only 4 months old is like saying Windows XP is only 4 months old, because the last security updates for XP were released in April 2014.
It doesn't matter what the HTML5 score of Opera 12 is. The fact is: it's not being updated and maintained. That means it's dead. It's not safe to browse the Web with it. No one should be using it. Period.
Google is doing a huge favor to both its users and the Web by encouraging people to upgrade.
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Will Tolley||9/1/14 8:46 PM|
Safari 5 is an old unsupported browser. You can upgrade it freely.
The newest versions of Safari is 7.0.6 on Mavericks, or 6.1.6 if you're on Lion or Mountain Lion. There is also the Safari 8 beta on OS X Yosemite.
If you're on any Mac going back as far as 2007/8 then you can upgrade for free to the newest version of OS X and Safari by clicking Software Update.
If you're on Windows you can just download Chrome or Firefox, or update your Internet Explorer.
Updating to a new browser would solve the problem of every single person in this thread. It's sheer madness that people are spending hours complaining, or trying to hack an ancient insecure browser to make it work. Rather than just upgrade to a better one for free.
It's like the highway patrol saying you can't use an old dangerous car but they've got a Mercedes you can have for free. And you complaining.
Your internet experience will be faster, smoother, and you will actually be safe online.
Stop screwing yourselves over and just update your browser. If you intentionally don't heed Google's recommendation and get hacked after this it truly is your own fault.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Will Tolley||9/1/14 8:49 PM|
Kablah bringing some common sense to this topic.
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Kablah||9/1/14 8:57 PM|
This is all nonsense. Google didn't buy Opera. The engineers at Opera decided to switch to the same rendering engine that powers Chrome for mostly technical reasons. Opera software is an independent company (Google it!). The new rendering engine doesn't inherently favor Google.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Kablah||9/1/14 8:59 PM|
Try Chrome or Firefox
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||_cde||9/1/14 9:09 PM|
Hey will, you sound like a shill. How about you mind your own business.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Will Tolley||9/1/14 9:10 PM|
After reading through lots of this topic it seems that anyone using the stable version of Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Opera or Internet Explorer is fine.
The only people having issues is one person who's using a Chrome Developer version on Linux. Developer versions are by their very nature highly prone to issues as they're up to 12 weeks away from general use, and not intended for general users.
There was one person saying stable versions of browsers weren't working for him, but then straight after said they were working after all. Presumably after his browsers auto-updated in the background.
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Will Tolley||9/1/14 9:19 PM|
Having common sense doesn't make me a shill, cdn.
Using a shitty browser that cripples your own security isn't something worth a fight.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||_cde||9/1/14 9:22 PM|
Cripples security how? Where are all these security threats for it? Hmm? What makes you a shill is going into a thread of people complaining about google intentionally breaking support, and telling them to pound sand, when you are not even a google employee, just some troll who thinks they know better.
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||diva42||9/1/14 9:31 PM|
I'm on my android device running KitKat 4.4.2 on Chrome and its has old Google as well. 😑
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||9/1/14 9:46 PM|
On Tuesday, 2 September 2014 04:46:47 UTC+1, Will Tolley wrote:Safari 5 is an old unsupported browser. You can upgrade it freely.
You obviously don't know much about Safari or Macs do you !!!
You can't go beyond Version 5.x of Safari on a Mac that's running OSXX 10.6.8 (ie: up until and including Snow Leopard). All versions of Safari from 6.0 onwards require at least OSX 10.7...
You can I suppose if you want to but then lots of people for perfectly valid reasons don't want to go beyond OSX 10.6 (Snow Leopard) on their Macs...
And complete selfishness & utter ignorance shown by people like yourself on this subject help no one...
Many folk can't afford new computers (even if the OS like Maverics is free)...
Many folk require their older computers and older OS''s for perfectly valid reasons such as, it runs the software they require whereas "upgrading" quite often prevents that software from running...
Many folk simply (like myself) choose not to "upgrade" beyond our current OS because the so called "upgrade" is in actual fact a downgrade as the the latest OS is quite simply not as good and user friendly as the old version and it doesn't meet our requirements for which we actually use our computers...
I could give you plenty more valid reason why people decides & choose for themselves what hardware & software suit their requirements but why bother when you're obviously ignorant to such reasons and blindly buy & use what companies like Apple & Google tell you you need to use...
Sigh... you really are the most brain dead, selfish, useless and ignorant person posting here aren't you... sounds like you've got all the qualification required to work at Google...
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|Re: Solution for Chrome on Windows 7||Kablah||9/1/14 10:15 PM|
There is no bloatware in Chrome. The last few releases have had nice performance improvements, particularly the 64-bit upgrade. I'm not sure what bugs you're referring to, but bugs tend to get fixed in newer releases. You are not helping the Web get better by teaching people to pretend like they're running an up to date browser.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Kablah||9/1/14 10:20 PM|
You can trust the downloads at https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/ and https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/ . Just check the lock icon next to the address bar and make sure it's green. That's your assurance that the page is not spoofed.
Modern browsers are more important on older computers, which may not have all the latest security fixes. For your own safety, it's time to put Safari 5 to bed.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Will Tolley||9/1/14 10:20 PM|
I'm guessing you're on Snow Leopard.
You say that if you upgrade to Mavericks you will lose Microsoft Office. I don't think it will. I've just done a few Google searches, and based on your three year figure, Microsoft Office 2011 is fully compatible with Mavericks. Apparently Office 2008 also works.
Ultimately, I think an upgrade to Mavericks, and Yosemite in a month(!), is something that you should do. Not only will your Mac be running the most secure operating system possible right now, it will be much faster and more battery efficient. As well as supporting modern technologies.
As far as what Kablah said about using Chrome or Firefox: Chrome and Firefox are actually two of the safest possible things to download. The only thing that's really really important is that you actually download Chrome directly from Google. And Firefox directly from Mozilla. There are loaaads of sites that say you can download Chrome from them but they'll likely bundle potentially shady things with it.
I understand your frustration Laura, and your reasons for not upgrading are really genuine. I do think with this decision though that Google ultimately is trying to do something good. Snow Leopard is listed officially by Apple as "Unsupported", dead software like that is what attackers flock to and it's the exact same thing with Windows XP (only XP is much, much, worse); Lion, Mountain Lion and Mavericks all use an up-to-date version of Safari which is likely why they use the modern Google homepage.
Seen as though Apple now offers 100% free OS X upgrades I guess Google is doing whatever they can to gently nudge people to using modern software. By kind of giving them a mirror image of the computer they're using.
Ultimately you have a lot of options. Downloading Mavericks first I think is a given. And then whether you use Safari or Chrome you should be fine, and you will see the proper Google homepage. My MacBook I'm typing on now is three years old too. Although I use Apple's Pages rather than Microsoft Office.
You can read about Mavericks here: https://www.apple.com/uk/osx/
PS. I think diva42 is likely having issues because she's on the developer channel of Chrome. Developer versions are by their very nature highly prone to all manner of bugs, they break hard and frequently. They're not meant for general use.
Hope that helps.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Kablah||9/1/14 10:33 PM|
What she meant by "displaying correctly" is that Google has decided to intentionally serve the old 2013 design to old browsers as a hint to users that they need to upgrade. This decision is strongly in the interest of users and the Web. There's a widespread notion that it's ok to browse the web using an old browser. It's not. It's dangerous.
The "fix" is simply to run a modern browser.
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Will Tolley||9/1/14 10:37 PM|
Sorry, are you talking to me there Kablah?
If so, we're on the same page. I 100% agree with every word you've said. Well put.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||9/1/14 10:38 PM|
On Tuesday, 2 September 2014 06:20:05 UTC+1, Kablah wrote:
What's all this fear mongering about "Security" !!!
Never heard such nonsense in my 35 years of using computers. In all the years I've been using Safari and have never gone beyond version 5 of Safari (simply because you can't while using Snow Leopard) I don't even have installed or run a virus checker on any of my Macs, guess what... I've never been hacked, I've never had a virus and I've never had any data stolen or personal info stolen...
The paranoia over "Security" here regarding Safari is obviously based on an extreme lack of knowledge and the blind belief that you'll believe anything companies tell you with scary fables about "Security" just to get you to constantly keep buying new hardware and software you don't actually need...
Seriously are so many people incapable of thinking, doing things or making choices for themselves anymore and need to be told by multi million dollar companies everything they want them to do and not what is best for them. Hmmm, then again in this world where most folk seem to require an "App" for everything they do including fart, then there's no need to actually answer that question...
I really despair at where free thought and common sense has gone to in this day & age... :-/
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Kablah||9/1/14 10:39 PM|
Sorry about that, Laura. I forgot Safari doesn't change the color of the lock (the lock icon is more obvious on Safari 7). Both those sites are legit, though. If you just google for "Chrome" or "Firefox", the top results will be the legit pages. Google does a good job with not serving up phishing sites as their top result.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||9/1/14 10:41 PM|
On Tuesday, 2 September 2014 06:33:14 UTC+1, Kablah wrote:
There's a widespread notion that it's ok to browse the web using an old browser. It's not. It's dangerous The "fix" is simply to run a modern browser.
Seriously, could you stop spreading fairy stories and scare mongering based on your own ignorance on the subject... ta
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Kablah||9/1/14 10:43 PM|
Web developer here. The security concerns are 100% not made up and you should always run the latest version of whatever browser you like. You sound like you're more tech-saavy than average, and that's kept you from getting viruses, but it's still not wise or safe to browse the web with an old browser. The security improvements the engineers are making behind the scenes are real.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||bluequoll||9/1/14 10:45 PM|
Laura, the download links on this Google webpage are safe: http://whatbrowser.org
That's the link provided by Google employee nealem in her reply here.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||9/1/14 11:01 PM|
On Tuesday, 2 September 2014 06:43:14 UTC+1, Kablah wrote:Web developer here. The security concerns are 100% not made up and you should always run the latest version of whatever browser you like. You sound like you're more tech-saavy than average, and that's kept you from getting viruses, but it's still not wise or safe to browse the web with an old browser. The security improvements the engineers are making behind the scenes are real.
Dear Web Developer,
A Coder/ programmer here with 35 years of experience. Your "scare stories" are exactly that and obviously based on a lack of knowledge but more so a lack of experience...
You are just as safe using Safari 5.x as you are with it's modern equivalent of 7.x. A modern browser is no guarantee of "Security" due to the very nature or how browsers have to work and the internet itself...
Putting all the "clever stuff" aside though. The problem with your advice you keep giving out of "update to a modern browser" is, if you had bothered to read most of the posts here you would understand that for perfectly valid reasons some people don't have the option to simply "update to a modern browser". So constantly repeating that "advice" isn't helping most folk. There's also the small matter that this actual issue here is not about "Security" it about the fact that Google have done something behind the scenes that has caused for meny people all over the world their browsers to revert to the old style layout and functions of Google...
Strangest thing of all is, Google themselves even called that old style of "Google" as "obsolete" not so long ago and now they are forcing people to revert to something they call obsolete... now you tell me in this world of people & companies constantly telling others to "upgrade" where the sense in reintroducing something Google themselves claimed is obsolete ???
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Kablah||9/1/14 11:30 PM|
Since you're a coder, you should have no trouble understanding these release notes for the latest stable Chrome release. Those dollar signs are the payouts to members of the open source community that found security bugs in Chrome. There were 50 security fixes in the last Chrome release.
Let me give you another concrete example of how modern browsers are more secure: Content-Security-Policy. This is an HTTP header that protects against XSS attacks, which is #3 on OWASP top 10 list of attacks. Safari 5.x doesn't support it. Full support wasn't added until Safari 7.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Will Tolley||9/1/14 11:55 PM|
If I were to suggest what I genuinely think was best, I still think that upgrading to OS X Mavericks is the best thing to do. And then using either Safari or Chrome in it. If you only have a three year old Mac it will give it a new lease of life.
You will be able to get the modern Google homepage back just using Chrome on Snow Leopard, but it's also likely that even Chrome's support of Snow Leopard won't be prolonged.
Obviously, like you said, upgrading you will lose your version of Office because it's a PowerPC version, but it will be worth it. PowerPC was the kind of CPUs Macs used to use up until 2006, before they moved to Intel which they still use today. The fact that your Mac actually supported Mavericks is really good news, as it means it is definitely an Intel Mac. But it sounds like you're running a PowerPC version of Office on an Intel Mac, presumably through an old Apple translator called Rosetta. This is quite a convoluted setup.
I think the best thing to do is what most people and companies do nowadays: leave Microsoft Office behind. Either move over to using Apple's iWork productivity apps like Pages, or Google's apps in Google Drive. Both of them know the importance, historically I guess, of Microsoft Office documents. So both of them support Microsoft Office files natively.
The general theme for most corporations, businesses and governments is leaving Microsoft Office behind to go to Google Apps. Personally, I generally prefer to use Apple's iWork apps, as they're extremely clean and simple to use and feel perfectly suited to the Mac. They're on the Mac App Store for $19.99. Google's office suite is free.
If, starting school, you don't want to spend time upgrading OS X, then I still think without a shadow of a doubt you should check out Chrome. Ultimately, you will be using a browser that is going to be literally years ahead of Safari 5. And you will get your homepage back.
It's a two-second download from Google's official page; you can get there via.. ahem.. Google search. Or Kablah's or bluequoll's links.
There is also a new version of OS X due within the next month or so that is a complete redesign, similar in style to iOS 7: OS X Yosemite. You can check that out at https://www.apple.com/uk/osx/preview/
Hope that helps.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Efreeti||9/2/14 12:10 AM|
This whole damned thread has devolved into something completely different than the original issue. My email was being spammed with extra subjects due to some of these BS posts being marked "SOLUTION" and sent to my email seperately, even though it didn't talk about Opera or how Google search appears in it at all. Will Tolley, you're effectively spamming people now.
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||A Google Reader user||9/2/14 12:24 AM|
There is difference between "new feature available to browser supporting xxx feature" and "we are punishing you for using this browser just because we feel like it".
There's a reason I am using Opera 12.17 and not upgraded yet, no other browser offers such stability and customisation like it, Opera 20 or Chrome are just too simple or too limited, I will upgrade when I want to.
I am fine not being able to access some features but punishing people for that is completely different story.
Guess what, I just went to "opera:config", set "Custom User-Agent" to "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/999.0.2062.102 Safari/537.36" and the website works just fine - no issues there.
That means Opera users are not blocked because something isn't working but are being punished for their browser choice!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||LesMac454||9/2/14 12:39 AM|
So...what you're saying is that in 2014, a company thinks it's perfectly acceptable to FORCE people to do something that THEY have already deemed to be the right choice by making sure that they TAKE AWAY a product IN USE, and switch it to an older OUT-OF-DATE version of the product, with NO explanation ... and expect EVERY SINGLE PERSON to silently go along with it?
THIS is good business practice...??
WE are REAAAAAL customers! Actual customers!! Actual consumers of a product that has been taken away and replaced with something old, and inferior!
GOOGLE IS FORCING TONS OF PEOPLE TO USE AN INFERIOR VERSION OF THEIR PRODUCT!! How is this a GOOD BUSINESS MOVE...????
I don't care WHAT THE REASONING IS...!! AS A GENERAL BUSINESS RULE YOU NEVER DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS!!
Is Google sooo full of milennials and hipsters that it DOESN'T KNOW that this is TERRIBLE BUSINESS???
I WANT AN ANSWER FROM A GOOGLE EMPLOYEE!!!!
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||B. T.||9/2/14 1:02 AM|
On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 4:19:15 AM UTC+1, Kablah wrote:
> Google is doing a huge favor to both its users and the Web by encouraging people to upgrade.
How does it encourage people? Nowhere on the page does it suggest you should update nor explain that is why the page is displayed as so (hence why this thread was initially a bug report).
In fact I'd go as far as to say the people who need to upgrade the most tend to be the more ignorant users who won't even notice the change so it has no effect apart from confusing people.
I suppose the real reason is google no longer want to test or support their website on older browsers, which is fair enough, though I would prefer the new site to appear with a disclaimer that the browser is dated so the site may not work properly.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||9/2/14 1:06 AM|
For those having problems with the current shambles Google has created with forcing most Safari users to revert back to the old version of Google search here is a temporary solution...
It's far from ideal but it's more help than Google themselves has offered...
NOTE THE FOLLOWING IS FOR SAFARI VERSION 5.1.10... It Has not Been Tested On Any Other Version...
Two things you can do here...
NUMBER 1: Download an already made (edited) "UserAgent.plist" file that I have created and am currently using to work around this problem from the link given here...
How to use:
Download the above file and then copy it to the folder "Safari/Contents/Resources/"...
To Access the required folder:
Right click on the Safari icon and select "Show Package Contents"...
Double click on the folder called "Contents" that will now be displayed in a new window to open it...
Double click on the folder called "Resources" to open it...
Drag the file you just download into the "Resources" folder...
You will most likely get a warning message telling you you are about to replace a file that is already there, select "Replace" to continue. You will now be asked to enter your Password (because you are replacing a file with the Safari) enter your password and your finished...
Startup Safari and in the "Develop" menu you will see this new "User Agent" option "GOOGLE USER AGENT", simply select that and Safari will now in the current tab give you back the proper/ modern Google pages/ search functions...
As some folk will no doubt be dubious or wary about doing this then that's up to you whether you choose to or not, you can easily check the downloaded "UserAgent.prefs" file in TextEdit for yourself first so you can see what is there...
It's not the ideal solution but it saves a bit of typing each time until I can find a way to get Safari to remember and automatically save the working "User Agent" or (and I doubt it though) Google actually fixes this mess they have made...
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||micro77s||9/2/14 1:27 AM|
Thank you VERY much for that quick fix -- it’ll do for now and here’s hoping you can find a way to force Safari to remember it with every new window. It fixed Google Images as well, which is very important to me.
Take THAT Google -- clever guys like Frank will always find a workaround for your evil deeds!
HINT: don’t take away what you’ve already given the customer -- bad manners ….
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Valentin B||9/2/14 2:00 AM|
> Google is doing a huge favor to both its users and the Web by encouraging people to upgrade.
For most Opera 12 users, switching to Chrome, Firefox or Chropera would be more of a downgrade than anything else.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Milan Lu||9/2/14 2:06 AM|
I just upgraded because I couldn't get much work done at office with google search actiong up. I really wish I didn't. Where are all my tab stacks, sessions and notes :'(
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Mithaldu||9/2/14 2:59 AM|
nealem, everything about your post is disgusting. I can only hope that you're at least human enough to recognize this, and that you were forced to post it by a manager.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Andrey Serebryakov||9/2/14 3:00 AM|
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||DJSigma||9/2/14 3:25 AM|
What evidence is there that Opera 12.17 is not safe to browse the web with? Opera has statistically been one of the most secure browsers, largely because it's not targeted as it's not as popular as some of the other browsers out there, but also because the devs have been quick to fix the few reported security issues. In fact, Opera 12.17 was released in order to fix a couple of security issues, so to argue that it's "2 years old" is nonsense. It was released this year.
If there is evidence that Opera 12.17 is not safe to use then post it, otherwise you are just spreading FUD. There have been WAAAAAY more vulnerabilities found in Chrome than in Opera, so why not block all Chrome users that aren't using the very latest version? They're fine to allow people to use older versions of their browser, even though those versions are LESS secure than Opera 12.17. Funny that.
Also, why not block all users of older operating systems? If they're "doing everyone a favour by forcing them to upgrade", then surely it would make sense to block anyone using Windows XP, which according to you is insecure as well, or does it suddenly become secure when a Windows XP user starts using Chrome?
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Kablah||9/2/14 3:32 AM|
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Chris Ibsen||9/2/14 4:12 AM|
> Many folk simply (like myself) choose not to "upgrade" beyond our current OS because the so called "upgrade" is in actual fact a downgrade as the the latest OS is quite simply not as good and user friendly as the old version and it doesn't meet our requirements for which we actually use our computers...
iTunes 11. In iTunes 10 you can go between playlists and it will remember your place (and this helps greatly if you have 1000's of tracks in individual playlists). I list everything alphabetically by artist. So for example if I was on artist G and went to another list and came back it would remember where I was. In iTunes 11 they completely took this away so when I went between lisst it would always scroll back up to the top to letter "A". Completely taking away functionality I loved. I remember of making the mistake of "updating" to iTunes 11 and had to use time machine to revert back (luckily I still had my last itunes 10 update dmg saved. Apple doesn't care about curating your music library which iTunes was originally intended for. They just want to sell you crap- hence upgrade!
Sometime less is more and sometimes users like using programs how they were originally intended for. I'm no neo luddite either. New things sometimes look better but are full of hot air.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Martin Thoresen||9/2/14 4:52 AM|
I AM using Chrome, latest version, as is a LOT OF OTHERS. This issue has nothing to do with "old" browsers or versions.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Martin Thoresen||9/2/14 4:56 AM|
"The fact is: it's not being updated and maintained." ... so, four months ago is too long for an update so it should be considered dead ? It's not like an OS, where each version is clearly marked either, most software is considered active and "new" with each update.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Rel Games||9/2/14 4:57 AM|
Good! Now I know how to use the old interface which is better than new one.
I just need to revert back to the older browser version. Thanks, Google!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Rel Games||9/2/14 5:00 AM|
I hope, same trick stays true for GMail, Maps and other apps?
OMG.. Does it also mean we can have old Google Reader back??? Finally, Google, you are making less evil than usual.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Martin Thoresen||9/2/14 5:00 AM|
"Updating to a new browser would solve the problem of every single person in this thread." Really ? Then, tell us, which browser should we that are using Chrome 37.0.2062.102 m upgrade to ? Since we are also getting the old search pages.
Oh, and I also don't understand how you can tell people that are using an demonstrably faster browser that their "internet experience will be faster, smoother" when changing to a different browser.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||bluequoll||9/2/14 5:02 AM|
This is important. What version of Chrome are you using, which OS/version, and what is the speed of your internet connection?
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Martin Thoresen||9/2/14 5:05 AM|
No, it is not, that is completely false! It doesn't matter if you use the latest, stable, version of Chrome, as I (and others in this thread) are. We still get the old pages.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Martin Thoresen||9/2/14 5:06 AM|
Read again. I am running the latest, stable version of Chrome on Windows 7 and still have the same problems. And, from what I could see in this thread, I'm not the only one.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Martin Thoresen||9/2/14 5:13 AM|
"I guess Google is doing whatever they can to gently nudge people to using modern software." No, they are not. If they were, this would only be limited to old browsers and software, instead both "new" and "old" alike experience the same issue.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Valentin B||9/2/14 5:19 AM|
Did you try clearing your cookies on the Google domain you're on?
For me, changing my Opera 12 user agent was not enough. I had to clear my cookies on google.* to get the new interface back (!).
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Martin Thoresen||9/2/14 5:21 AM|
This only give his post more credence than yours. If the newest version of Chrome is supposed to be so much safer, then why did it need 50 fixes? Doesn't this just tell you that the browser most likely to be attacked is Chrome, not Safari ? The more relevant info her would be how many security fixes were released between Safari 5 and 7.
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||harrykrak||9/2/14 7:06 AM|
Thank you Mirai Kuriyama. It is about time that google realised that what browser I use is absolutely none of their business. If it is unsafe that is my look out, not theirs.
On Friday, 29 August 2014 11:58:14 UTC+1, Mirai Kuriyama wrote:
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||9/2/14 7:36 AM|
I've discovered why in Safari 5.x that it defaults to the now as deemed by Google defunct "UserAgent" and why even though you change it to a "UserAgent" that does work via the "Develop" menu but sadly it only works for the current opened tab and why you can't save the setting to make Safari use it by default...
Without getting too technical (I hope) basically it comes down to this...
When you open Safari it uses something called the "AppleWebKit" which is hidden away out of the average users sight in the folder "System/Library/Frameworks/Webkit.framework/"....
Unfortunately short of Apple themselves updating this very important piece of software (which is basically the heart & engine of Safari and which they stopped updating years ago) the only option left would be to "hack" the actual "Webkit" software. This probably the reason why there are no "extensions" for changing the "User Agent" on Safari like there are for most of the other browsers...
As this would be quite a large task then to be honest it's not really worth the time and effort of doing so, anything can be hacked with enough time, patience and knowhow. Trouble is it;s just too much work and it'd have to be very carefully tested to make sure everything still functions correctly...
It's a same and something of a disgrace that Google have caused this problem for countless people worldwide with even any warning or notice that they were going to basically make many browsers old & new no longer able to use the most up to date features of the Google search engine...
It's even more disgraceful and in my mind very damaging & costly to many people & businesses that Google having done this without warning and having for the past 3 days had people wasting valuable time, money & effort trying to fix a problem that is beyond their fixing and was caused solely by Google. If I were a business whom has had disruption caused to it by Google shameful action then I would seriously consider suing them for the deliberate damage they have caused over the past few days...
Anyhoo, as other than only one moderator here has done his best to pass on peoples complaints to Google (for which I thank him) all we have had from Google themselves is one completely ignorant and arrogant post from "Nealem" whom simply insulted peoples intelligence and basically told us that Google don't care about any of the problems & damage they've caused then all I have to say is goodbye Google and I sincerely hope people whom you have cost money sue you for every penny you've got...
I've been checking out "Bing" and although it's a slightly different layout from Googles Search it has all the functions of Google Search that we ware used to (and a bit more), so for me it's easier, simpler and better to move to "Bing" as it should only take a few days to get used to it's layout and resign Google to history where it belongs along with it's management whom are obviously some of the most ignorant, arrogant and downright selfish gits ever to infect the workings of the internet...
PS: If I do continue to work on a fix for Safari I'll be sure to make it publicly available for folk that may need or want it but in the meantime I've wasted enough time and effort with this shambles Google has created and am moving on for now...
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Martin Thoresen||9/2/14 7:47 AM|
Chrome 37.0.2062.102 m on Windows 7
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||diva42||9/2/14 7:49 AM|
Hi Laura Bass
No I am not able to upgrade to higher level android Kitkat it's up to the makers of my device for whatever reason they have not sent that OTA to us users but I still think my Chrome is the latest version even so. It's so confusing here I am gonna do a test later on the latest Chrome on my Linux machine see what happens hopefully it will be normal. I spent far to much time trying to fix this thinking it was just me now I don't know what to do as I'm not on Safari or Opera or Mac lol.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||9/2/14 7:49 AM|
CONGRATULATIONS NEALEM YOU"VE MADE THE BBC NEWS : QUOTE: "Google confirmed an employee had taken part in the online discussion but said it had no other comment to make."
There you have it folks proof if ever it was needed that Google did and do indeed know about the problems they've created and are now not even willing to comment on it... pathetic Google simply pathetic...
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Martin Thoresen||9/2/14 8:02 AM|
Valentin B: "Did you try clearing your cookies on the Google domain you're on?
Thanks, that actually helped! Lost my passwords though, couldn't seem to find a way to do site-specific cookie-clearing on Chrome. It's becoming more and more obvious that Google messed up here, why should I have to clear any cookies when I already had the newest Chrome ?
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||22blah22||9/2/14 8:29 AM|
I regret to say that I just migrated to Firefox 32.0
I need to keep on working....
Sad and unfortunate.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||jjadamsj||9/2/14 9:20 AM|
Thanks, I would love to update my browser, unfortunately my 2009 mac does not support 'modern browsers'. I have the most up-to-date software that is available for my machine.
I would have to shell out another $1,500 to get a new laptop in order to comply with your request.
It is really lame that you and microsoft are conspiring to eliminate functionality of the internet on older computers.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Leona Connor||9/2/14 9:30 AM|
Yeah me too.. already moved to BING..
bye bye google
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Bill Bo||9/2/14 12:20 PM|
What I have done is to use Google Chrome for image searches and Safari 5.1.10 for other web browsing. I have specialized programs that require Rosetta and have to use 10.6.8. I use the Fauxbar extension in Google which allows me to add search engines to a separate search field—works a lot like Glims.
Google did not need to do this. The image search works fine. I am looking for a way to populate the User agent in the Develop Menu with more recent browsers. t should work if this data is in a plist somewhere. Google's clever though and may have ways to block this.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Max Dread||9/2/14 3:10 PM|
Hey, we've made it to the BBC News:
Hopefully this will blow up and expose Google for the idiots they have been.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Max Dread||9/2/14 3:12 PM|
Oops, sorry MadFranko008.... Just seen you beat me to it with the BBC link.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Mad2||9/2/14 3:51 PM|
thank you Google i like the Google 2013 look so i have newer browser i am going to but change my user agent to a older version
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||diva42||9/2/14 5:43 PM|
I installed Chrome latest and been surfing around a while I just backed out of a page and Google turned to the old layout so there is something wrong with your code. I went to your modern browser link nealem and as you can see if your even looking at this thread anymore I am current and still getting random old page new page I am at a loss for what to do I try getting help here but I'm being treated like I'm annoying the staff, my thread I open 2 days ago supposedly was escalated but I have not been contacted when I have a legitimate issue with a Google product.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||9/2/14 10:01 PM|
Good news for Safari Version 5.1.10 users... I've solved the "Google Search Problem"... :-)
Without going into all the technical details I've managed to "fix" it so that Safari Ver 5.1.10 can once again use the "New Look Google Search/ Functions" and all without you having to constantly change the "User Agent" on every new tab you open up and it works from the instant you start up Safari 5.1.10 (in other words everything work s just as it did a few days ago before this fiasco)... :-)
I don't know if I should put the solution here to it as "Google" are obviously determined to prevent users of older browsers from being able to use our older perfectly fine working browsers, so if you would like to know how to restore Safari Ver 5.1.10 to be fully working & compatible with the modern Google Search functions then contact me and I'll give you the details on how to do it...
It's a relatively simple "fix" to perform, it works and having thoroughly tested it I have found no problems, errors or incompatibilities with anything...
Although I have only tested this on Safari Ver 5.1.10 I reckon the "fix" should work on other Safari version 5.x versions but I don't have older versions so it will need someone else using older 5.x versions to try it out and see if the "fix" can be applied to them...
Below are some screen shots showing Safari 5.1.10 working once again as it should be with Google Search...
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Bot Fap||9/2/14 10:42 PM|
Why have you marked your own answer as the best answer when its clearly not? Look how many people marked your answer down in comparison to marking it up.
This is in no way an improvement, its a bug. Google have CHOSEN to disable functionality where it works perfectly well. The problem in many cases is not the browser but the selection criteria that Google have engineered to implement this change.
Your answer isn't an answer, it reads more like a corporate media department trying to hide a problem. Very, very poor input and feedback.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Tem1||9/3/14 12:51 AM|
Hi MadFranko008. Can you let us know how to get the Safari fix from you? I implemented the previous solution you suggested to have the 'Google User Agent' as an option to select from the Develop menu. But if you have a permanent solution that would be even better.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||9/3/14 1:58 AM|
On Wednesday, 3 September 2014 08:51:29 UTC+1, Tem1 wrote:Hi MadFranko008. Can you let us know how to get the Safari fix from you? I implemented the previous solution you suggested to have the 'Google User Agent' as an option to select from the Develop menu. But if you have a permanent solution that would be even better.
I can indeed give you the "fix" Tem1 but you'll have to make sure first the version of Safari you are using is Safari Version 6.1.10 (6534.59.10) as this fix has only been tested on that particular version...
For example I'm running that version on an i5 3.1Ghz iMac under OSX 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) that has been fully updated as far as Snow Leopard and safari can go on such a system. This is quite important for this fix as due to the way Safari & Snow Leopard were updated it probably won't work on any other version of Safari even it was only a slightly smaller update difference revision (Ver 5.1.7 for example)...
If you're sure you are using the exact version that this "fix" is for as described above then email me and I'll give you two option for you to "fix" your Safari with. One option will be to simply download the already fixed file and copy it onto the appropriate folder the other option in case you don't trust doing that is I will explain what you'll need and how you can make the changes to the required file already on your own system (pt's not as difficult as it may sound)...
Anywhoo, email me if you're sure you want to attempt this and I'll supply you with the info on how to do it. In case your wondering why I just don't post the "fix" here, well that's quite simple. I no longer trust Google after this shambles and don't want to give them my method of removing this block they have deliberately place on older version of Safari so that they can block that too (if they really want to block my fix then there going to have to do a lot of hard work themselves just like they have made us do)... ;-)
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||9/3/14 2:03 AM|
NOTE: that should read Version 5.1.10 (6534.59.10) in my other post...
Sorry about that typo and there's doesn't seem to be a way to edit posts here... :-/
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||thany||9/3/14 2:04 AM|
This is rediculous. Opera 12.17 is waaaaaay newer than IE9, and the image search works fine in IE9.
How COULD you deem Opera 12.17 outdated while still happily supprting IE9. What is it that IE9 can do that Opera 12.17 can't?
If you ditch a late-2013 browser, then also ditch other browsers from before that time!!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||bluequoll||9/3/14 2:06 AM|
Safari version 6.1.10?????
The latest version 6 I've seen is 6.1.6!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||thany||9/3/14 2:07 AM|
I want to assure you this isn't a bug, it's working as intended.
HOLY CRAP. That's brilliant. This is identical to saying "we designed a bug, and the application is doing what has been designed".
Iow, "working as intended" here just means the intent is broken. Not that it's not a bug. You fail to remember the meaning of the word bug, or are too lazy to kick someone in their bottom to fix it. Because it is... a bug.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||thany||9/3/14 2:12 AM|
Btw, how do you even detect Opera?
If I mask or identify my browser as Firefox, it's still broken.
As a fellow web developer (who DOES support the latest Opera!) I'd like to know how you do this kind of thing.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||9/3/14 2:13 AM|
Yup I made a typo it should have read "Version 5.1.10" but there doesn't seem to be any way to edit posts here so I posted the correct info immediately following in another post...
If you can change the incorrect info in that post then please feel free to do so...
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Jakob Ginzburg||9/3/14 2:26 AM|
Nice done, Google! I don´t like the new "flat" design. Now i can use the old one with all the nice features. Thank you!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Lenka klusková||9/3/14 2:38 AM|
same thing happened to me (and im not willing to fix it by upgrading opera cuz the twenty something versions truly blow//not talking about my mind)--
did you find a way out of this, keeping oh12 (notes&saved sessions rule) but geeting the google layout back to the future of 2014?
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||thany||9/3/14 2:44 AM|
I hear ya. Same issue here. Google, YouTube, and some other companies that are a little bit too full of themselves, refuse to support a relatevely recent browser, while still supporting almost fossile browsers such as IE9 and sometimes even IE8 (this is where the mind does blow).
I really like to know how exactly Google does their detection of Opera, because the useragent string isn't it.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Matti nescio||9/3/14 6:47 AM|
On Wednesday, 3 September 2014 12:12:33 UTC+3, thany wrote:Btw, how do you even detect Opera?
If you Identify as Firefox, Opera is still at the end of the user-agent string.
If you Mask as Firefox, are you masking as Firefox 4.0 or something newer ?
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||DPeri||9/3/14 6:52 AM|
I've been following this thread since the beginning. I'm a Mac user running Mac OS 10.6.8 (I don't remember the name of the animal, sorry). I use Safari 5.1.10 which is the most current version of the software I can use on this operating system.
What some of the non-Mac users don't seem to understand is that it's impossible to upgrade Safari without upgrading the operating system and it's impossible to upgrade the operating system without purchasing a brand new machine. Brand new Macs are expensive! I can't afford to buy one right now.
This has happened to me before. I've had to buy a brand new machine and new *graphics* software shelling out THOUSANDS of dollars just to be able to keep up-to-date in my field of work. I can't afford to buy a new machine just so I can have the current browser in order to access the current search engine functionality and features.
All that said, I'm not at all concerned with security using Safari 5.1.10. Macs rarely ever get viruses. So, I'm looking forward to using MadFranko008's file as a workaround so I can continue to run Safari 5.1.10. Thank you, MadFranko008!
The beauty of this situation is that there ARE options. There are many other search engines we can all use. Bing works fine, for instance.
What concerns me more about this situation is email functionality. What if Google decides to change the functionality of gmail so it's not compatible with my operating system? That may sound farfetched but just last week it was farfetched to imagine that Google would screw up so many people's browsing experience. Just sayin'.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Matti nescio||9/3/14 6:59 AM|
On Wednesday, 3 September 2014 16:52:03 UTC+3, DPeri wrote:
Then you can always use standalone email clients to access gmail,
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||DPeri||9/3/14 7:04 AM|
Oh yeah! I hadn't thought of that.... Thanks very much, Matti!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Eva Müller||9/3/14 8:05 AM|
And what if tomorrow Google FORCES you to ...oh sorry, "encourages" you to use Chrome for gmail access?
I'm using BING now. :-)
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||DPeri||9/3/14 8:14 AM|
Hah! Eva, that made me laugh aloud... it's really funny but it's not funny at the same time. You're right. It *could* happen. Maybe it's time to use Bing and get a new email host. :D
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||ShemBob||9/3/14 9:24 AM|
Awesome post. Thanks for sharing. Any chance you can suggest coding that might work on Safari 5.0.6 for use in Leopard 10.5.8?
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||9/3/14 9:55 AM|
Cheers for that. I can't tell you if the fix I created for version 5.1.10 would work for older versions of Safari 5.x as I don't have access to older versions.
What I would need is for someone to check and see if older versions use this same file (which is the one that needed modified on version 5.1.10)
I'm not sure if older versions have or even use file/code I'd need to modify but if they do then I should be able to modify it too so that it gets round this deliberate block Google has put in place.
If you can supply that file I can certainly check to see if I can fix it but you'd have to be the one to test it out on your computer...
Contact me via the email address I gave if you think you can supply me the file required for me to check...
PS: So far everyone whom I've supplied the "fix" to for ver 5.1.10 and they have reported back have said they can now access the "Modern Google" once again without problem so I now know that the fix works for others too... :-)
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||ShemBob||9/3/14 10:22 AM|
Hey there all! I think I found a way to help stick it a little more to Google!
Some good news for Leopard users OS 10.5.8! Based on MadFranko008's plist download I messed around with it myself and think I found the same fix for Safari 5.0.6. (plus probably any other version too ??)
Here's what I did:
Following Madfrank's steps, all I did was open up the downloaded file (in Textedit) and change the 15th line in the document to my version (5.0.6). In other words, where you see 5.1.10, just change it to your individual Safari version.
You'll see it here on the very last line of this cut/paste from madfranko's file below. It's the 15th line in his document:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
Then when I went to the menu's Develop > user agent...BINGO there it was. Clicked on "Google User Agent 5.0.6 and viola! Back to how thing were.
Just remember to back up the original plist just to play it safe. All I'm saying is it seemed to work in my 2008 Macbook, so try at your own risk. but it seems pretty easy to do. Remember, it's the 15th line in the plist.
Let's show Google we won't be pushed around!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||ShemBob||9/3/14 10:43 AM|
Correction. It's the 13th line if you fully expand the document. Mine was more narrowed when I originally counted the lines. Sorry about that.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||9/3/14 11:34 AM|
On Wednesday, 3 September 2014 18:43:15 UTC+1, ShemBob wrote:Correction. It's the 13th line if you fully expand the document. Mine was more narrowed when I originally counted the lines. Sorry about that.
Nice one... but are you still having to use the "Develop" menu on each new tab and does Safari save this setting so that each time you start up Safari it automatically uses this "working User Agent" ???
I've also just dug out an old iMac running OSX 10.5.8 and Safari 5.0.6 (forgot I had some old iMacs lying around mainly cos I've got 14 computers here). Safari Version 5.0.6 unfortunately doesn't use the same method that I was able to permanently fix in Safari 5.1.10 (they must've changed the "User Agent" creation method since 5.1.x)...
Now I've no doubt I could now find a way to fix 5.0.6 to have a permanent fix but here's the problem I've found so far. When I tried using a new user agent with version 5.0.6 to bring back the "Modern User Agent" version of Google, although it switched back to the "New Look" that we all want I kept getting "Slow Script" errors and pages were literally taking so long to load that it was unusable...
I'm not sure if it's just the old iMac I'm using or a slow internet connection so I can't be sure if I do make the permanent fix for 5.0.6 that it will be usable...
What I need is for yourself or someone running OSX 10.5.8 and Safari 5.0.6 to test via the "Devlop" menu in the "User Agent/ Other" category this "User Agent" posted below
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; PPC Mac OS X 10_5_8) AppleWebKit/534.50.2 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.6 Safari/533.22.3
If this one works fine on OSX 10.5.8 with Safari 5.0.6 then I will know it's only a problem with my old iMac and/ or a slow internet connection and I get then set about implementing it as a permanent fix for Safari 5.0.6...
You could also test this "User Agent" in the 14 line of my original temporary fix that you managed to modify...
Hopefully some one will be able to test this for me and let me know the results and if it works I should be able to create a permanent fix for Safari 5.0.6... :-)
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||ShemBob||9/3/14 1:18 PM|
Yes, I do have to go to the Develop menu to change it but it takes but a second. No biggie. Of course, if there's a more permanent fix to this, I'd be all ears to give it a try, but I'm far far from being an IT tech or coder geek (said endearingly to be sure). But I do fix plenty of things using common sense, just like I did as explained above. I'll try plugging in your code to see if that works and get back to you here so stand by, ok? And if it works, maybe it will help you to share a work around for all the other older Safari versions for who knows how many of us around the world that aren't the biggest fans of Google right now.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||ShemBob||9/3/14 2:14 PM|
Ok, so here's what I found.
Basically, plugging your line into the develp > other field really didn't do anything different (permanent that is). I'd still happily get the modern Google home page appearance if I followed the drop down develop menu usual steps, but nothing stuck if I closed out and reopened.
I then tried change your plist line 21 to:
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_5_8) AppleWebKit/534.50.2 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.6 Safari/533.22.3
This however this didn't seem to do anything permanent to fix the problem. Only fixed it per session. The old screen came back if I opened up a fresh window.
Then I tried this in the plist:
The home page stayed in the older version. Going to develop>user agent > google agent did change the home page to the modern look (session only), but after refreshing screen to older version again and trying to place any of these other suggested codes in the "other" user agent field then hitting ‘okay’ resulted in no effect. The screen remained the old version.
Hope this helps clarify something for you here (??)
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||GoBucks12345||9/3/14 4:00 PM|
Okay, I seem to be running into a similar problem. The chrome webstore is now saying I can't install extensions without upgrading! Seriously, I CAN'T UPGRADE. The latest versions DO NOT WORK. What does google expect its user to do, magically fix their programs. How about this, properly write software so it works and you don't have to roll out updates weekly due such poorly written code? How can your software not even be functional a few months after its released? This company is going downhill. Their search results are horrible so I have had to switch to other search engines.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Linda McKee||9/3/14 4:04 PM|
You can try to force me to use Chrome but it won't work because I don't like it. I prefer Safari to all other browsers. I'm not in a position to upgrade to a new iMac. I'll use work-arounds or anything else except Chrome - which I like the least of all the browsers I've tried. Shame on Google for messing with us. I've been loyal to Google as a search engine but I have no problem switching to another if need be.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||sirlynch||9/3/14 4:42 PM|
I am using Mac OS X 10.6.8 and Safari 5.1.10. Both are the latest versions. I am still getting the old Google Images page when I search :/
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||bluequoll||9/3/14 5:19 PM|
I'm not sure where you got that information. 10.6.8 is not the latest version of Mac OS X, and 5.1.10 is not the latest version of Safari.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||9/3/14 7:27 PM|
Your'e obviously not a Mac user... ;-)
Sirlynch is indeed correct in what he's says there. OSX 10.6.8 is the latest version of Snow Leopard anyone can install as 10.6.8 is far as you can update Snow Leopard to. Same goes for Safari 5.1.10 which is the latest version anyone can update to when using OS 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) again due to the fact that 5.1.10 is as far as you can update Safari to for version 5... :-)
"Mac OSX" is only a part of the OS's title and is used across all the various versions of it which are all completely different OS's in themselves...
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||9/3/14 7:54 PM|
Cheers for testing that mate, sadly I've got to say SORRY as I made a mistake in my post where you got that "User Agent" info from and it should have in actual fact been this "User Agent" that I need tested...
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; PPC Mac OS X 10_5_8) AppleWebKit/534.50.2 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/6.1.6 Safari/533.22.3
Note: the difference of the Version number it should have been 6.1.6 and not 5.0.6
Sorry about that mate but thanks for testing it anyway. I'm still having problems with the old iMac G5 I am trying to test it on with and it's just running too slow to test things are working properly (it needs an overhaul and I don't have the time to do that just now)...
If you get a chance or want to test the one in this post then that'd be of great help to me (I've double checked it this time to make sure it's correct)...
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||9/3/14 10:16 PM|
This contains some important information that should be of interest to Google technical staff...
After one heck of a lot of checking/ testing and research using different Macs and different versions of Safari then here's a partial solution
that you could pass on to those who could implement it at Google that will restore the "Modern; Latest Version Of Google" for many
Mac & Safari users (but not all) that would work perfectly and without problems...
Google has changed the way thing work so that ALL users of Safari Version 5.x are now fed the "Old style/ function/look of Google".
After extensive checking & testing it turns out that users of Safari 5.1.x (that's the very important part here the "5.1.x") can indeed still use
the "Modern Google" without problems or errors...
The result of my testing shows that Googles servers are only checking the very first numeral of a "User Agent" it receives
from a Mac computer running Safari...
For example it's only checking in this case the number 5 here in this example (highlighted in bold)...
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_6_8) AppleWebKit/534.59.10 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1.9 Safari/534.59.10
Googles user agent check at their end fails to check for any other part of the version number (in the above case that would be the ".1.9")
and so anyone on a Mac using Safari Version 5.x is then directed/ served the "Old Style Google"
Here's the most interesting part and most important part that would allow users of Safari 5.1.x to use the "Modern Look Google" which it can do
without any problem as Safari versions 5.1.x run on Intel powered computers that have the ability to easily handle the "Modern Look Google"
without problem whereas, Users of Safari 5.0.x can't as they are using slower based PPC powered computers that CAN"T handle Googles most
recent look and functions properly...
All Google has to do to restore the "Modern Google" to Safari Version 5.1.x is to have at Googles end it's checking of the "User Agent" to
check for "5.1" and not just "5" as it does now and it can then send out Googles Modern version to these Macs which can easily handle and use it...
You see only checking the first figure of the version number in the user agent as Google servers do just now (ie: the "5") means that Google is
sending not just Safari Version 5.0.x users to the "Old Style Google" (as from my testing it seems old PPC Macs that use Safari 5.0.x simply
cant handle the Modern Look Google properly/ adequately) whereas users of Safari 5.1.x which only runs on higher powered Intel Macs can in fact
easily handle without any problem the "Modern Style Google" and all it's functions...
Why Google decided to make the cut off point for Safari users at Safari 6.0.x I can only guess is perhaps because they didn't do enough testing
of Safari and Macs or they would have realised that Intel Macs which run Safari 5.1.x are perfectly capable of handling and using the "Modern Google"
I know that's not good news for Safari 5.0.x users but at least Google by easily implementing what I have suggested above could restore for themselves
some pride and trust from many Mac & Safari users by easily restoring the the "Modern Google" for Safari 5.1.x which all my tests prove can easily handle it...
I'd be grateful if you could pass on my findings to those at Google whom could use this information in the hope that after reading it and testing
it for themselves they too will discover there is no need to cut off Safari 5.1.x from the "Modern Google" after all... :-)
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Jason A. Levine||9/3/14 11:30 PM|
This change is VERY frustrating, especially when I am not very tech savy and do not appreciate being told that I have to update my software when their own page says that the software is compatible with their web page.
I am using Safari 5.1.10. Someone please explain to me why it no longer works.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||9/3/14 11:47 PM|
On Thursday, 4 September 2014 07:30:54 UTC+1, Jason A. Levine wrote:This change is VERY frustrating, especially when I am not very tech savy and do not appreciate being told that I have to update my software when their own page says that the software is compatible with their web page.
Believe me Safari 5.1.10 does indeed still work (I still use it and have posted enough evidence here to prove that it does)...
The only reason you can't use it is because in their infinite wisdom Google has decided to prevent you from using Safari 5.1.10 with the "Modern" version of Google and is now deliberately giving you the older version simply because they can and have done...
Why they have done that you'd need to ask them but don't hold your breath waiting for an answer as you won't get one from Google part from the usual "Upgrade Your Hardware And Or Browser" nonsense...
There is a fix for Safari 5.1.10 to give you back the "Modern Google" I've posted about it here, have a look a see if you think it's something you want to try and if so I'll be mor ethan happy to supply you with the "fix"... :-)
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||ShemBob||9/3/14 11:53 PM|
FWIW, I tested that latest code string you posted (incorporating Version/616). Switched it out in my plist. Home page stayed in the older "black bar" version. I then in the same session pasted in one of the earlier strings you suggested (but not a ppc one) into user agent > other field and then hit ok. The page did refresh to the latest Google home page layout, but like usual, after closing out of session and opening new window, Google reverts back to the old version.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||9/4/14 6:35 AM|
@ ShemBobLevel 2
I've managed to get an old 2.1 Ghz G5 PPC iMac up and running with Safari 5.0.6 and created a new entry/key called "CustomUserAgent" in the file "/User/YOURNAME/Library/Preferences/com.apple.Safari.plist" using this "User Agent"
It actually works and Google comes up in the "Modern Style/Format". It also works right from when you startup Safari and works for every new tab you open...
Only trouble is and this is why I can't guarantee this fix works properly is Safari 5.0.6 is running so slow on this old G5 Mac when I switch to this "User Agent" that it basically locks up with lots of "Slow Script" errors...
I'm not sure if it's the iMac or it's internet connection or if in fact it simply cant handle the "Modern Google" style but I know it did work fine when I last used it about a month ago with what was still then the "Modern" Google before all this fiasco happened last Thursday...
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Linda McKee||9/4/14 7:00 AM|
I, too, am using Mac OS X 10.6.8 and Safari 5.1.10. The only thing that has worked for me so far to restore the Google version I'm used to is the following:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/31.0
And this is only a temporary fix. As others have noted, it only lasts for the session and has to be updated with each new session. Very frustrating.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||9/4/14 7:08 AM|
I suggest you try the fix I've made that has solved this problem for myself and many others here. In less than 10 minutes you too can have the "Modern Google" back... :-)
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||ShemBob||9/4/14 11:06 AM|
Wow...that sounds hopeful! I wish I could test that but I can't seem to see that plist file. It's totally black on my computer when I open the file in TextEdit. Save downloading some peripheral software to decrypt it (which I really don't want to have to do), I don't know how else to get to the text in it. Bummer.
|Google reverted to old version in Firefox 31||choir master||9/4/14 11:21 AM||<This message has been deleted.>|
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||9/4/14 4:06 PM|
As quite a number of people have been asking me for this fix via email over the past couple of days and those that have reported back say it works perfectly for them too then I've decided just post the link and info here for those whom want to try this fix... (plus it's getting to be too many emails for me to handle)...
I've now made it as simple and foolproof as possible for people to install/ use this fix so here it is...
--- Safari Version 5.1.10 on Mac OSX 10.6.8 Google Fix ---
First download the Safari Fix DMG file from the link below (This is the only place I've uploaded it so don't download this file from anywhere else if you see it)
If you've downloaded this DMG then you already know about the block Google put in place that
prevents Safari users from using the "Modern" style Google and forces them back to the "Old Style
of a number of years ago...
You can still use the "Modern" style Google with Safari 5.1.10 via the "Develop/ User Agent/ Other"
menu to switch to a "User Agent" that allows you to use the "Modern Google" however, there is no
way to make this as the "Default User Agent" in Safari 5.1.10 and it has to be done for each new tab
you open and every time you startup Safari... which is not exactly good or helpful...
That's where this "Fix" solves that for you. This fix will make sure Safari 5.1.10 starts up and uses a
custom "User Agent" that allows you to continue to use the "Modern" Google and not have to
constantly change the "User Agent" via the "Develop" menu...
It also has the benefit over other methods that are about of using FireFox "User Agents" in that this fix
creates a Mac specific "User agent" that means you get the correct pages from whatever it is you are
accessing on the internet (The FireFox one cause some changes to graphics and page layout when
used on a Mac)...
As long as you are certain you are using Safari Version 5.1.10 on a Mac running OSX 10.6.8
(Snow Leopard) and they are all fully updated as far as they can be then this fix should work
--- MAKE SURE SAFARI ISN"T RUNNING ---
STEP 1: Double click on the folder called "A" to open it...
STEP 2: From the new window that opens find the file called "Safari" and drag it to your Desktop
screen to make a copy of it (this is both for safekeeping and in case the "fix" doesn't work
for you so that you can still restore the original file)...
STEP 3: Drag the file from the downloaded DMG window called "Safari" onto the folder in the
same window called "A"...
NOTE: You will get some other windows/ requesters popping up when you install this fix Asking
you to enter your password/ confirm etc.. This is normal as you are copying a file into a folder
that is in the "System'Library" and your Mac is just using its security checks to make sure that
you have permission to do so...
Windows/ requesters you will most likely see during the installation of this fix...
Click on "Autenticate" entert your password & click on replace...
Now start Safari as you would normally and if the fix has worked you should once again be seeing the
"Modern" look Google once again. You should copy/ move the original "Safari" file you copied to your
Desktop screen to a safe place for storage (Downloads or Documents for example) in case you ever
need or want to restore the original file to Safari at some pint in the future...
IMPORTANT:- If you're still seeing the old version of Google in Safari after trying this fix then
unfortunately it hasn't worked for you and you MUST replace/ put back the
original "Safari" file you copied to your Desktop screen...
This is simple to do and is achieved by simply dragging the original "Safari"
file you copied to your Desktop screen onto the "A" folder in the "Safari Fix"
Happy Googling - MadFranko008 (2014)
Screenshot of what you'll see when you open the DMG...
@ The mods... I know this is a duplicate post of the one in my other thread but could you please leave it here
as I'm still getting lots of emails from people using this thread asking me for this fix... thank you... :-)
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Hip III||9/4/14 5:11 PM|
Let's hope that Google never goes into the automobile business: you can just imagine them taking in your 10 year old car for servicing, and then deliberately detuning the car's engine to worsen performance, just in order to get you to buy a new car.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||micro77s||9/4/14 6:38 PM|
Thank you thank you THANK YOU MadFranko008 for posting that fix. I KNEW you could do it and am so grateful that you did -- this past week in Google has been such a royal pain in the ass to deal with and I am just so happy to simply get back to work ...
I really hope that this fix works for everyone like it has for me. As for Google, it is obvious to me that they currently could not care less about us or our needs. Screw them -- MadFrank just outsmarted the world’s leading search engine at their own game!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||9/4/14 9:14 PM|
Cheers & thank you for that mate, glad to hear the "fix" worked for you too... :-)
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||9/4/14 9:15 PM|
For people using Safari Version 5.0.6 & OSX 10.5.8 (Leopard) then you can try this "Fix" to restore the "Modern Style" Google...
Note: You can download these instructions from the link below so that you can read them offline...
Download Safari 5.0.6 Google Fix Instructions
While this "Fix" does restore the "Modern Style" Google I have to point out that for me personally it didn't
quite work as I'd have liked. On the very old iMac which I've tested this on I kept getting "`Slow Script"
errors when trying to view most pages on the internet. I can't be sure but this could simply be down to me
having a very slow internet connection and or something wrong with this old iMac...
That said if you want to try this "Fix" for yourself for Safari 5.0.6 then here are the instruction on how to do
it. You can easily remove this "fix" if it doesn't work for you but it may be worth a try anyway...
First you'll need to download the Free Software called PrefSetter Ver 2.0 and install it on your Mac...
PrefSetter is for people looking to easily edit, view or make changes to the ".prefs" files that you Mac
uses and I highly this very useful software for your Mac...
It's free, it will run on Macs up to & including OSX 10.6.8 and for me it's one very handy must have tool for
the Mac that lets you set,edit, view all those ".prefs" files on your Mac to suit yourself and in cases like this
help bring functionality back to your software... :-)
Download PrefSetter V 2.0 from here...
Download PrefSetter Version 2.0
Once you've downloaded and installed PrefSetter on your Mac then it should be in your
"Applications" folder. If not, then move it there just a you would any other software...
IMPORTANT: --- Make Sure Safari Is Not Running Then Launch/ Start PrefSetter ---
STEP 1:First I recommend that you set PrefSetters own Preferences to those in the picture below. To do
this select "Preferences..." from the PrefSetter menu at the top of the screen...
Click on the Red button (top left) to close this window and set PrefSetters prefs..
In the PrefSetter window click on the small arrow beside "User Preferences" (highlighted in yellow)
to bring up the list of user preferences on your machine...
Scroll down the list until you find "com.apple.safari" and double click on it...
Now a window will open up where you will see something like this...
Note: the actual text you see in those boxes will be different depending on how your own Safari is set up...
Now on the small "Gear" icon at the top left marked "Actions" Left click on this to bring up the menu as
shown in the picture and select "Add New Key" from this...
You will now see this "New Key" entry you have just created...
Now delete/ edit the "New Text' in the box to read "CustomUserAgent"and press return...
Note: Make sure you enter or cut & paste this text exactly as it is shown here and don't include the
In the area to the left of the word "String" (highlighted in yellow) double left click in this area and a new
empty text box will appear...
Now you are going to cut and paste the actual "User Agent" needed for this "fix" into that text box...
Make sure you cut & paste the text below exactly as it is and press return once you have done so...
Click on the red "close" button (top left) and then click on "Save" from the window that pops up...
And that's it... you can now start Safari and see if it worked for you...
If it did work then you should be seeing this "Modern Style" on Google once again... :-)
If it didn't work then you're probably still seeing the "Old Style" Google that has been forced upon you... :-(
In that case you should delete from the prefs file you just modified the new "CustomUserAgent" key...
You can do this quite simply like this...
Hold down the right mouse button anywhere on the new "CustomUserAgent" key you created and
Or left click anywhere on the new "CustomUserAgent" key to highlight it in blue and press the BackSpace
key on your keyboard...
This will restore Safari back to as it was before you tried this "fix"...
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||diva42||9/4/14 9:59 PM|
Thanks for all the help Google I'm still stuck in 2013 search and images even though I have the current version of your web browser chrome 37 and you insist on merging any of my topics to this thread smh :/
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||bluequoll||9/4/14 10:32 PM|
Get your facts straight.
Your post on the specific issue of Chrome 37 is here:
My reply to you there was:
"This has been escalated as a separate issue.
Thank you for your patience."
That discussion was not "merged with this thread".
It is still open and being investigated.
You also posted three times here:
And that thread is also still open because the original poster provided no further information.
You have nothing to gain by posting in different threads all over the forum. I assure you that I'm seeing every post on this subject. If there's anything further to report on your specific issue of Google Search behaviour in Chrome 37, it will be posted in the relevant discussion. It won't be posted here.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||9/4/14 10:51 PM|
On Friday, 5 September 2014 06:27:38 UTC+1, LAURA BASS wrote:
Cheers Laura... I assume the fix worked for you too then... :-)
PS: Which one was it... the 5.06 or the 5.1.10 fix ???
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Max Dread||9/5/14 12:35 AM|
On Friday, 5 September 2014 01:11:49 UTC+1, Hip III wrote:
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||ShemBob||9/5/14 2:18 PM|
Thanks SO MUCH for sticking this out and offering some light at the end of the tunnel. Your instructions are great (very articulate and very clear).
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Al_eXs||9/5/14 4:44 PM|
So you couldn't check if the browser can do a thing, only block them by the face. It's a lame that Google do this, force to everyone to switch browser instead of making the things wright.
For highly active and advanced users of Opera 12.17, all other browsers are useless unless they have almost 30 extensions to fit our needs, but never get the same result.
Using a custom user agent solve almost all my problems with silly pages like this, only that pages well designed wont work well.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Stacee B.||9/5/14 4:49 PM|
Thank you everyone for your additional feedback and responses. If you haven't already seen this official response from Googler, nealem, please make sure to check it out. Here is what nealem had to say in case anybody missed it:
Please feel free to continue to post on this thread with your input and questions.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||9/5/14 7:16 PM|
I'm not sure if you are a Google employee or not but if you are then quoting word for word and re-posting the most unhelpful & offensive post that has been made over this entire issue is not going to help anyone and it's certainly not going to do Google themselves any favours...
I really sincerely hope that you're not a Google employee and after more than a week of frustration and problems Google has caused countless people with this problem they deliberately created that this (your post) is the only other "Official" comment to be made by someone representing Google !!!
Nah, you can't be... after all no one could really be as dumb as that (even from Google) to do such a thing... could they !!!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||diva42||9/5/14 7:20 PM|
I have my facts straight buddy my first post on this subject was in fact merged with this thread and I don't appreciate your attitude Im the one asking for help and this is a google help forum rather then being smug help me or keep your mouth shut!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Goncalo Vaz Pinto||9/5/14 7:50 PM|
Like you I always used Opera until they changed to the chromium engine.
I then started looking for another browser and found I liked Maxthon the best, similar to the old Opera in many ways (and with some nice original features).
Give it a try, it is modern and has no issues with google search (as far as i know).
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Efreeti||9/5/14 11:28 PM|
So Google's official response is an insulting lie. Thank you very much for clarifying.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Eva Müller||9/6/14 2:42 AM|
Am Samstag, 6. September 2014 04:50:07 UTC+2 schrieb Goncalo Vaz Pinto:
Thank you Goncalo,
I might be using the Maxthon browser from now on. A first, quick test made me happy already. It really reminds me of Opera.
No matter what comes, I certainly won't be using any Google products any more!!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Chris Ibsen||9/6/14 4:47 AM|
Thanks Google for making the decision to abandon you so much easier!
You know my browser being so so old in your eyes it's a wonder I could even do it? Wow look at that all I had to so was go in my Safari 5.1.10 preferences and click the drop down menu that says DEFAULT SEARCH ENGINE. Want to know what is says now? BING!!!!!
Have a nice life with your shitty browser Chrome, I'll never use it or Google again.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||9/6/14 6:13 AM|
On Saturday, 6 September 2014 00:49:42 UTC+1, Stacee B. wrote:
You know, I'm now assuming that you are a Google employee and have to say & ask... Is there any point to 'feeling free" to give our input and asking questions ???
Because after more than a week & 12+ pages of people GIVING INPUT & ASKING QUESTIONS all we've had are two solitary and incredibly ignorant posts by two Google employees that haven't answered or addressed ANY OF THE INPUT OR QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED...
Seriously is ignorance & arrogance a pre-requisite for being a Google employee or do they train you specially to do that ???
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||9/6/14 11:07 AM|
@ LAURA BASS
Sorry to hear that Laura, not much help I know but I'm not having any problems with it on either of my two main iMac...
Just wondering what the actual specs of your Mac is. My two main iMacs are (intel i5 3.1Ghz 27" & intel i5 2.7Ghz 27") both of them have been running for days now without problem...
It's not the same case though for the old iMac PPC G5 & Safari 5.0.6 I tried creating a "fix" for. Basically all I did was switch it to a new "User Agent" and although it restores the "Modern Style" Google to it, it simply grind to halt even on the most basic of pages (with fans going like crazy)... :-/
I really don't think it's anything to do with the old iMac itself, it's looking like whatever the changes behind the scenes Google have made it's simply too much for older Macs to handle...
Perhaps the specs of my main iMacs are the reason why I'm not having any problems, it'd be interesting to know the specs of your machine so that I can mention it to others whom may want to try the "fix"...
PS: Did you replace the "original Safari" file back after you discovered it wasn't quite working for you ???
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Craig Fergusonn||9/6/14 12:16 PM|
For Opera 12
go to google image search > right click and select "Edit Site Preference" > tab "Network" > option "Browser identification" select "Mask as Internet Explorer" > OK
Works for me.
F... Y.. google... you can't provide support (limited or not) if our lives depended on it, so STOP limiting us. When Chrome will have options Opera v.12 have, then you can talk.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||MadFranko008||9/6/14 1:39 PM|
@ LAURA BASSLevel 2
I probably should have asked the actual model of your because without knowing that it kinda hard to judge how well it should perform just from the processors specs, so it's kinda hard to say much about it...
Have to say I didn't have a clue what "Sophos" was !!! Boy was I surprised when I looked it up... I didn't think anyone still ran AntiVirus software on a Mac !!!
All the years I've been using Macs and only for the first 3 months of owning one did I have "Anti Virus" software on a Mac, got rid of it (the Anti Virus software that is) when I realise dhow much it slowed down everything in your browser and discovered that Anti Virus on a Mac simply isn't needed...
I don't know anyone who runs Anti Virus software on a Mac (me included) because between the Macs built in security and the fact no one really write Viruses for Macs all they do is eat up valuable processor and don't really add any more protection to your Mac than is already built in on a Macs OS...
People tend to be divided on the opinion of that with Macs but more people don't use Anti Virus software on a Mac than do...
Personal opinion here but I'd advice getting rid of Sophos altogether as it's just eating up processor time and not really benefiting you in any way...
All the years using Macs without any AntiVirus software and visiting erm, lets say some dubious sites and downloading stuff I've never had a virus, malware, hack or anything happen to any of my Macs... :-)
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Thomas P.||9/6/14 3:36 PM|
The Web Search results themselves, which you're getting with the older Google layout, are same as with the lastest/current layout.
Should there be features missing in the old interface layout (i.e. not just located differently), then it's not all that many compared to the latest/current layout - or at least that's certainly very true for the Web Search organic part of the search engine.
If you're seeing functional defects in the old layout, then that is obviously not part of "the deal" (i.e. it's a bug, which may be caused by your locale browser/system, or something on Google's side - in case everyone are able to reproduce same behaviour.)
The greatest functional differences between current & older layouts may be found in the non-WebSearch part of Google Search, e.g. Google's Image Search, but it's only Google's WebSearch which (amongst other search engines) still stands out as the best search engine (albeit Google's Web Search is perhaps only marginally better these days).
So, for those of you seeing the old layout in an officially now unsupported browser, and seeing such in a working-as-intended-state by Google, then you really only have two options: Use another browser (Notes below), or use another search engine.
True, the two options (i.e.: use another browser, or use another search engine) may not be anywhere near what you hoped for, but that's what your options realistically are. (for comparison: When Google decided to shut down iGoogle, having an estimated 30-50 million users, then this forum got more than a thousand of posting within about 24 hours, and Gooogle never flinched over it)
Notes, for those w. an officially unsupported browser, who wants to stay with Google:
For those of you using officially Google supported browsers (typical up-to-date mainstream browsers), then: Google often changes things, which also sometimes cause seemingly unrelated things to break. Such breakage is obviously not intended, and will probably be fixed resonably fast - assuming the unintentional breakage is affecting a substantial number of users.
Determining if your browser is officially supported, is a much less straight forward task than you'd think.
- Please see my answer to Laura Bass at: https://productforums.google.com/d/msg/websearch/hEVDmDw8ccU/IDE8MKQmbIoJ
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Pietro Pizzi||9/6/14 4:09 PM|
In the last years i said to all people that want my advice: Google is the least evil of the big ones and of coarse way better then MS, Apple or Facebook. This stops now!! With the RIP of Wave and RSS the "Face" get's the first horn, but now you pick up the red card!
I use a totally customized version of Opera 12.17 under Linux and therefore i can't upgrade because there are no upgrade! And Chrome, Firefox or Opera-Next are no alternatives because in comparison they have absolutely NO features. We can start with the Bookmark management and can go on till the disability to tweak the Mousemenus. There aren't even proper Mousegestures...
I i must choose between Google and Opera... you can bet who's loose ;) I hope i don't have to but if the Useragentstrig-Trick stop working i go to Bing, or better DuckDuckGo :)
To my person: I'm a computer nerd with a masters degree and have lots of "followers" IRL... if u know where that is ;)
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Thomas P.||9/6/14 4:19 PM|
Maybe I've overlooked it, but I've only spotted a few people linking to a Google list of supported browsers for Google's CSE (Google's Custom Search Engine), as e.g. here: https://support.google.com/customsearch/answer/4542173?hl=en
Supported browsers for Google's CSE (https://www.google.com/cse/) is not necessarily supported same as Google's common search engine (as found at https://www.google.com/ ). Different Google products have different sets of supported browsers, yet ...
- Rule-of-thumb: The 2 most recent versions of the maistream browsers are supported.
But, Google Search is special, by it: being Google's flagship, most veteran product of all, and! the product responsible for most revenue.
Not only does the Google Search product support the biggest section of browsers, but also does so to different degrees. Getting to see an older layout is most commonly a consequence of a less supported browser.
As far as I can tell, and probably for above mentioned conditions, then Google does not seem to maintain a list of supported browsers for Google's Search product in its associated help center.
- At least I couldn't spot any such by doing the search [ Google supported browsers site:support.google.com inurl:websearch ]
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Thomas P.||9/6/14 4:57 PM|
It's not a stupid question, and I have some fairly qualified guesswork: Google didn't break the code, but relocated the affected browsers into a lower classification of support, i.e. an older development-wise frozen interface, which no future development will be applied to. This means that the current interface can receive continuous future development, without the need to pay attention to, and test for, the now demoted browsers. In short: It's a simple business economic argument (the more details there are to development, the more time it takes, the more money have to be paid in wages).
Why did Google (or Apple or someone) break ...
I wish my class could get through a standard four years of college before technology gets so outdated.
I think you'll like this one: Experience the power of a BookBook(TM)
(It actually fails to mention other features like; zero-defect sofware, free of malware, spyware, tracking, and other hidden surveillance threats)
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Google Is Messing Up Google||9/6/14 5:01 PM|
BOO! This is ridiculous. I use Safari 5.1 for a reason, and my old computer was working fine with the regular Google browser. It's obvious that this is an underhanded attempt to make Safari users change to Chrome. That is not going to work, in fact this makes me hate Chrome even more. (Don't even get me started on why I hated it before.)
This isn't the only thing Google has changed. Google Maps is much worse now. YouTube's Google+ thing was also ridiculous. But I learned to live with it. But this is too much. Please fix this, Google.
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Google Is Messing Up Google||9/6/14 5:13 PM|
Also, if you use an old version of Safari, here's a tip: Go to "Safari Preferences," then to "Advanced," and check the box that says "Show Develop Menu in Menu Bar." Then, every time you go to Google, go to the "Develop" menu in the top bar, click "User Agent," and select "Internet Explorer 9.0." This will change your Google Pages to the normal style, but ONLY IN THAT TAB. You will have to do it every time you open Google in a different page. Every once in a while, when you do that will come up all weird, but we can blame Internet Explorer for that. And even though it is inconvenient, it is SO much better to use the new Google.
Now that I've told you all this, Google will probably try to find a way to make it so that will not work. But if that happens, it will be sort of funny that Google cares that much about this.
Hopefully Google will change this back soon. But if they don't, and you use Safari, just use this handy little trick.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Thomas P.||9/6/14 5:57 PM|
All browsers are different, but not different in all & every detail.
And in a development perspective: To keep it easy on yourself, when developing webpages supporting multiple browser, implies identifying sets of browsers supporting same features in most ways, and then write most of your code to support the common features of a browser set, and keep the fraction of code needed to target specific browsers' at a very minimum.
The small fraction of code specifically targeting Safari 5, could easily be frozen - but since the biggest fraction of code delivered to Safari 5 isn't just targeting Safari 5, but rather an entire set of browsers, then you can't freeze for Safari 5 alone.
The alternative to moving Safari 5 back to an older common code base, would be to freeze the current common code base too, and spawn a new common code base. But doing that would also imply a growth in the number of common code bases. (The edge case of that being: spawning a new common code base for each new browser variant & version being released. Which in turn leads to a situation of there being one common code base per specific browser, i.e. that's not common at all.).
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||DumbassAdult||9/7/14 9:35 AM|
So you denying users their right to shoose what's best for them by forcing this shit upon them? Well, fuck you, degenerate, I think your family should be forced to live without any modern technology, cause your perception of user rights is not updated to the current version.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Max Dread||9/7/14 12:04 PM|
To the clever folk who know how to change the custom user-agent as a workaround, we have covered how to change Opera to trick the browser that we are using Firefox.
How can we do the same thing in Opera, but instead trick the browser to think we are using Chrome? Instead of putting in:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/31.0
What would I need to put in for Chrome?
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Victor Desfe||9/7/14 1:46 PM|
excuses for make everyone use google chrome
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||emilycurious||9/9/14 5:35 AM|
Thanks, I'll try that.
Very interesting how people go out of their way to help one another but Google just wash their hands of the problem...
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Mirai Kuriyama||9/9/14 1:34 PM|
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/37.0.2062.120 Safari/537.36
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Max Dread||9/9/14 2:24 PM|
I'm not sure if that is in response to my question? If it is, then I'm afraid I do not understand... Thanks for trying and bearing with me though! If your post was not to my question, then please ignore me!!!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Abablabab||9/9/14 3:47 PM|
I'm using (chromium) Chrome Version 37.0.2062.94 (290621) (64-bit) on linux. I see the old google homepage (with the 2013 logo) and the old google search results (no instant, no built in calculator, all results underlined)
But I'm using the most up-to-date build available for my distribution. I know Chromium isn't exactly supported but this build is not out of date enough to warrant the 2013 search page enough either is it?
Is this an error in the 'clunky browser' code, or do I have another issue causing similar results?
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Mirai Kuriyama||9/9/14 4:06 PM|
On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 1:24:30 AM UTC+4, Max Dread wrote:
I thought you needed a Chrome user-agent string.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||bluequoll||9/9/14 4:14 PM|
There's a separate discussion about Chrome 37 displaying the old interface:
Please join that discussion, include the details you provided here, and monitor that discussion for updates.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||P. C. McCleock||9/9/14 4:17 PM|
Okay, it's working as intended. Now fix it.
I'd doubt it really doesn't work with the newest Safari you can run on Snow Leopard. Changing my OS is a big jump to get an image search that actually shows me where the images are.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Max Dread||9/10/14 12:47 AM|
Yes, that's right. So is the whole string in your previous post what i need to use for Chrome? I was confused and surprised because it mentions Safari and Apple as well (I'm on a Windows XP PC). But then I know nothing of such things. So please confirm, should I use this whole string:
Thanks again for the help
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Mirai Kuriyama||9/10/14 10:22 AM|
Yes, you should use the whole string.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Rahul Kadlag||9/10/14 2:55 PM|
I found a very simple fix to this problem. Right click on page, go to Edit Site Preferences ---> Network tab ---> Choose Mask as IE.
This works for google images too!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Eva Müller||9/13/14 5:01 AM|
Am Mittwoch, 10. September 2014 23:55:17 UTC+2 schrieb Rahul Kadlag:
Unfortunately this works for Oogle, but messes up many other sites.
A much simpler and way better solution is: USE YAHOO!
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Rahul Kadlag||9/13/14 7:24 PM|
So don't do that for all the sites ...that fix was meant only for Google and for Opera browser users. Google tried to buyout Opera before launching Chrome, and when that bid failed, it launched a cheap copy of opera aka Chrome! So now in order to promote its own browser over others, google is trying these cheap tricks!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||thany||9/15/14 5:14 AM|
"clearly a mistake with Google's method of browser identification or browser capability detection"
It's browser UA-sniffing. Arguably the evilest thing to do on the web. Why do I think it's UA-sniffing? Because spoofing the UA fixes almost all problems, while feature detection isn't spoofable, and would not break things on browsers that are old-but-still-very-capable, like Opera.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||DPeri||9/18/14 5:12 AM|
Has the image search rollover to show a larger image been changed, too? No longer do I see the full-sized images when I mouse-over the images in image search. Is this a deliberate change by google search?
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Max Dread||9/18/14 1:17 PM|
@Mirai Kuriyama. Thanks for clarifying. That worked with no problems... I shouldn't have been so cautious, it's just I know so little about such things and wanted to be certain that the whole string was what I needed.
You've been most helpful. Thanks a million.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Hoyt Clagwell||9/24/14 10:28 AM|
So based on your answers, this is how it sounds to me: We are continually making improvements to Search, so we are deliberately replacing your Search that worked fine all year with a much older version that you'll hate so you will be motivated to upgrade your system which had nothing wrong with it until we downgraded your Search function. Since you got downgraded it is likely because your computer is a 5 year old relic that can't be upgraded and you will need to buy a new computer just to get back to the same search experience you had last week.
Wouldn't it be easier just to demand that I pay Google a ransom to keep using the Search function that I had?
Perhaps Google's new slogan could be: "If it works, keep fixing it until nobody can use it."
Why doesn't the Google company understand that people are tired of computers and programs that have the life expectancy of a quart of milk?
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||RothSchatten||9/24/14 3:56 PM|
I don't think it's anyhow related to PC specs. What I see is nepotism of sorts: the support for "old and frail" browser has been discontinuated, while "newer and better" version of it is happily supported, despite that old version had nothing bad about it except that it was one year old, while the new version is a cripple that has to be spoon fed and even so most results are shit. But here's the catch: that newer version uses Blink engine and in that it's related to Chrome. Ain't that a coincidence.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||aztcqn||9/24/14 11:50 PM|
Mad Frank, thanks for this fix!!! Restored image search to newer ver.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||aztcqn||9/25/14 12:13 AM|
It reverts browsers back to the old version image search without explanation when it was working as intended BEFORE this issue. Lame answer to advice use to just use another browser.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Romain Burquier||9/28/14 2:45 AM|
Okay so I updated Safari and everything seems to work again
Thanks to you all !
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Shannon...||9/28/14 4:59 AM|
That's awesome Romain,
Thank "you" for returning and letting us know that updating your browser version worked.
It's party time for you!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Frust Traded||9/28/14 5:12 PM|
About to give up with Google. Spent a good amount of time trying to explain my problem and things I've resorted to because of lack of accessable resoueces to bec
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Frust Traded||9/28/14 5:29 PM|
I need help. This is my third attenpt to explain. Serious issues with trust to Google, My accts hijacked and remotely crontrolled at times. I will help with info proving why I dont trust your permissions, the things Im resorting to which is about to quit OS. By the way, Your app store has been having all kinds of super user hack apps. I thought some were legit and were scams to hack me. I've been searching everywhere for info on how to root and legally seems its info is in the land of the lost, same place where redirect info and up to date (non cached or faked search results) seen to be.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Frust Traded||9/28/14 5:29 PM|
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Frust Traded||9/28/14 5:38 PM|
NO Its hijacking for me, watched tje crap before my very eyes If the reasoning for so many generic responses and permissions that only fool the naive with theie generic explanation for reasoning. The permissions are more your gain You dont need a ton of them for our security or app improvement.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||aztcqn||10/4/14 2:07 AM|
Where is the "Safari icon"?
|Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Lydia Tenh||10/4/14 3:50 AM|
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||John Grabetz||10/10/14 6:29 PM|
Thank you x1000
This worked perfectly. No more old google. You rock!
How did you figure this out?
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||thany||10/16/14 5:46 PM|
Google should stop doing that at once. It's a simple switch. A five minute fix, including deployment. If Google would take me seriously, this would be fixed five minutes from now, literally.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Efreeti||10/16/14 8:41 PM|
Yeah, we've all established that it was deliberate, they just don't give a toss about us.
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|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||thany||10/21/14 2:52 AM|
They don't want to be taken seriously I guess.
@Google, when will you fix this issue?
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||n__s||10/23/14 11:31 AM|
I'm using a completely up-to-date, modern browser: Pale Moon 25.0.1 (x64).
Here's the FAQ the developer has been forced to post because of this policy: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=6004 It encourages me, as a user, to notify the site owner that your policy is flawed. Which I'm sure will do a lot of good.
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Vivette Niederbröker||11/8/14 2:44 PM|
Doesn't matter what I do I still can't search with an image I have taken like I used to!
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Oscar cciniho||1/4/15 12:52 PM|
i fix the problem. what i did is to restore window to a timepoint before i found this problem, you can also try to do this if you want
|Re: Google hompage reverted to old version in Opera||Calc Calc||1/10/15 10:34 PM|
Exactly what makes Opera with Presto better than any other browser out there... The customisability and the level of control the user can have on the interface are incomparable.