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Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches???

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Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rekrul 12/10/12 11:50 PM
I know most people don't want porn turning up in common searches, but there are times that I WANT to search for adult images.

Now, even when the Safe Search option is set to show the most relevant results, no adult images show up in the results! Nothing!

Try searching for something that can't possibly be misunderstood, like the word "blowjob" and all you get are humorous images.

I guess Google has decided that we all need a nanny to look after us on the net?

What is Google's obsession with deciding what we're allowed to see? For years they've been hiding "similar" search results, now they're hiding results that they don't approve of? What the hell??? Who appointed Google the net's censor?

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Erik Nordstrom 12/11/12 4:25 AM
I am looking for answers on this topic as well. Have they said anything? It seems pretty ridiculous to block so many images from everyone no matter what the settings. Frustrating.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rekrul 12/11/12 8:47 AM
They haven't said anything, but here's the weird thing; It's now back to normal.

All along, on the advanced search pages, I've had the options of Off, Moderate and Strict for SafeSearch. This is presented as either a bar with a slider, or three radio buttons that you can check. It seems completely random which style I get on any given day. However last night, this option was replaced with a non-standard drop-down box offering only the choices "Show most relevant matches" and "Filter explicit results".

On the results page was a similar box with the same two options.

Someone else told me that they were still seeing all three options. I tried reloading the pages, flushing the cache, etc. Still only two options. I then closed Firefox and re-opened it and suddenly the normal options were back. It was literally about 30 seconds later.

I'd chalk it up to a fluke of the browser, except that I was seeing very different options. A browser glitch doesn't just create new option settings on a web page out of thin air. They had to come from somewhere.

Was this a test that Google was running? If so, why did I continue to see it while others still saw the old options even after clearing the cache and reloading the page? Why did closing and re-opening my browser restore the old options? Did they just happen to change it back at the exact same time that I decided to close/re-open Firefox?

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Jasim * 12/11/12 10:02 AM
The problem is with the browser cookies and cache. Once you clear it and use, the problem will be solved.
Its a common issue with web browsers. Its recommended to use Google Chrome for better performance. :)
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Erik Nordstrom 12/11/12 2:44 PM
I cleared all cookies and cache and I am still getting a drop box for image search that ONLY says "filter explicit results" and "report offensive images". It happened yesterday and I have cleared cookies and cache and turned off computer.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Erik Nordstrom 12/11/12 2:55 PM
If I turn cookies off completely it gives me the normal option to in the dropbox to turn safesearch off. But it cant complete that request without cookies and therefore I'm stuck. Essentially the setting got locked on Moderate somehow and I cant correct it.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? ayc 12/11/12 4:54 PM
Hi guys,

Thanks for reaching out! This change actually doesn’t prevent anyone from getting to the content they want to see. So, if you search for explicit content, you’ll be able to find it -- just make sure your query reflects this intent, and Google will show the most relevant content for the search.

Thanks,
Albert

Update on 12/21/2012
This recent change is just one in a number of search quality improvements we make on an ongoing basis. Our data has shown that this specific change has resulted in more people finding what they were looking for, while significantly reducing the chances of stumbling upon undesired content for potentially ambiguous queries. We continue to use your feedback to tune these signals in order to improve the quality of our results, so do let us know when you believe results could be improved.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? bacchus382 12/11/12 5:11 PM
Same problem here.  I cant change Safesearch to 'no filtering' like I used to.  There used to be a slider bar on the preferences page, but that seems to be gone.  You could also choose something like Off, Moderate, and Strict from the search/image page as well.


Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? jrussell999 12/11/12 6:55 PM
Hey ayc, your reply tells us nothing. "Make sure your query reflects this intent"? What, specifically, is that supposed to mean?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? hari seldon 12/11/12 7:53 PM
NOT an answer.

How does one TURN OFF safe search?!
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? asd794 12/11/12 8:28 PM
Yes this is true, but it makes it hard to find general images of the item and many images could be left out by using a bad search term. But the main point is, why was this change made? If people didn't want porn in their searches, they'll use strict or moderate. If they don't mind or is specifically looking for it, they use off. Protecting the kids? That's what the locking option. Plus, I believe the new filter option doesn't even filter out gore/violence which the old filter did.

What this change simply does is make it harder for people to search images considered "unsafe". 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Patrick Whallon 12/11/12 8:47 PM
how long does it usually take you guys to reply to these things? the fact of the matter is, you have made a change to your search engine that prevents people from setting filter settings as they used to be able too. i have been google loyal since i first discovered you guys years ago, but the fact of the matter is, i have had to use bing and yahoo to find things that google has decided to filter and not allow me to unfilter. i was able to find similar results in bing to what i was once able to easily find in google. i want to remain a loyal google user, so all i have to say, is if it isnt broken...why fix it?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? David Pegram 12/11/12 8:49 PM
Yep. Me too. I tried everything. I am so glad I am not the only one. I am going insane.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? neoweapon 12/11/12 9:04 PM
Yes, i have this issue too...what the hell google...
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Diego De La Vega 12/11/12 9:13 PM
I HAVE been specific.  Can't get much more specific than the terms I used-TRUST ME.  HOW DO I GO BACK TO NO FILTERING?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Nathanomir 12/11/12 10:17 PM
It's happening to me, too. On both IE and Chrome. This morning, I had all three options for Safe Search. Not anymore. This is very frustrating. Often times, broad searches give me more results. I don't want to have to type "Tess Taylor Arlington nude Playboy couch feathers" to remember exactly how a model was posed for a particular photograph that I'm trying to replicate in 3D.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Matty69 12/12/12 12:47 AM
It's not a fix, but a temporary workaround is to use a foreign version of google, say google.de (Germany). The German word is "Bilder" (at top) and then click "SafeSearch->Aus" to deactivate it like we've all been doing for years. For those who speek Spanish, go to www.google.com.mx ->  Imágenes -> SafeSearch desactivado to deactivate as usual. Things are in the usual places so pick a language and run with it.
 
Two observations:
 
1) This is PROOF that it's not some bullshit cookie setting; the US version of www.google.com fucking changed. We know when something's up, and somethings fishy here.
 
2) Beware of Google, the sleeping censorship dragon....
 
3) Somebody please update the Wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_by_country Erase the "green" and get out your ugly ass pink crayons.
 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Matty69 12/12/12 12:54 AM
 
Two observations:
 
Woops. Can't count. Besides, there are only three kinds of errors: cache errors and off-by-one errors. Stupid image censorship got me all worked up.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rekrul 12/12/12 3:25 AM

This change actually doesn’t prevent anyone from getting to the content they want to see. So, if you search for explicit content, you’ll be able to find it -- just make sure your query reflects this intent, and Google will show the most relevant content for the search.

Bullshit! You can't get more precise than the word "blowjob", but yet an image search for that doesn't return a single image of the act.

Frigging Google has forced the 'moderate' filtering on everyone!
 
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Funbunz 12/12/12 7:00 AM
Also works for Canada www.google.ca
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rekrul 12/12/12 7:05 AM

I switched my home page to the British site www.google.co.uk/ and turned safe search off.
Works!

Yes, but how long? I can't imagine that Google will stop with just screwing up their US site...
 
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Chrishwk 12/12/12 8:22 AM
this answer is bullshit. I've tried it myself, and no matter how I phrase the search I don't get the results that I get with Bing or with foreign versions of google. Way to drive your customers away google. 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? darrelsheets 12/12/12 8:47 AM
If we aren't being censored and we can see the same content, then how come a search for "blowjob" in the US returns only non-explicit pictures and memes, but the same search on google.co.uk turns up normal results (ie. pictures of blowjobs)?  How can a user be more clear that they want to see pictures of blowjobs then by searching the word blowjob? Why does Google feel the need to be our nanny? I'm going to bing now, at least they treat me like an adult.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Leland Colonna 12/12/12 9:14 AM
Wait, I thought Google was campaigning against internet censorship/regulation? (sarcasm)
Seriously though, how is this in any way an improvement? Oooo everyone's so scared little Timmy is gonna see boobies and god forbid his parents actually payed attention to what he does online. If I type in the FULL names of two pornstars, I am obviously not a naive, curious child; I know EXACTLY what I want to see, and I don't want to see them shaking hands. Furthermore, I couldn't care less about roosters, Dick Cheney or Twink Caplan.... Actually I have nothing against Ms. Caplan, but that's beside the point.
Google had a good system. Parents could even lock the setting to "strict." And if a child is curious enough and smart enough to figure out how to circumvent those measures, then it's probably time for a talk. Google is not a nanny.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? search settings 12/12/12 10:05 AM
Tested it and I'm afraid you are incorrect. As Google employee, perhaps you had better take another look.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Eric Riddle 12/12/12 10:15 AM
As I agree that censorship is a horrible thing, it is not censored persay like you are thinking. What the google employee is trying to say that if you want explicit results you must be more specific.
Example:
searching for "blowjob" will bring up results that are censored (set to moderate filters)
searching for "blowjob porn" will bring up unfiltered results


Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? John Cheatham 12/12/12 10:22 AM
That's still a load, though. They're implementing censorship by way of making it more difficult to get explicit results. How many average users are going to realize they have to be more specific in their queries now?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Kyle Todoulakis 12/12/12 10:34 AM
Does "Blowjob" or "Anal Sex" NOT reflect my intent? Undo this nonsense. Parents should need to go the gigantic extra mile of enabling safe search in their settings! Not changing the entire experience for everyone else! Shame on you! Off to Bing!
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? ImNoTOrg 12/12/12 10:36 AM
DuckDuckgo.com it is!
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Kyle Todoulakis 12/12/12 10:37 AM
I shouldn't need to outwit my search engine when it comes to something like "blowjob." It's like hiring someone whom you know will do a terrible job and result in you fixing their fuckups. 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? bubbledup 12/12/12 10:38 AM
Time to use bing instead.

Got tired enough of all google's incessant bubbling as it is,
yknow, where they insist on "personalizing" your results to the point where your results show nothing useful at all.

So, bing for images, duckduckgo for normal searches. Bye Bye google.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? jrussell999 12/12/12 10:41 AM
Wow, thanks for providing an answer that's actually useful!
All it took was some down-to-earth language, rather than delicate corporate-speak, and problem solved.
And this is actually more useful in a way, because now you can search for 'whatever' or 'whatever porn', and the first one will show you things that were unfindable before.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Kyle Todoulakis 12/12/12 10:45 AM
Come on Al. Send this along to your higher-ups. Whatever bullshit you're peddling here isn't going to fly. Change it back. Google isn't my fucking mother.
Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Engineer m 12/12/12 10:59 AM
As far as I know, Safe Search filtering wasn't broken before, so why did they change it (and essentially make it more complex/confusing). Google is usually good at improving things. This, however, is not an improvement. "If it's not broken, keep trying"?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Kyle Todoulakis 12/12/12 11:00 AM
Check it out, "boobs" has safe for work results, and if you click the box to further "filter explicit results" there are NO RESULTS! NO RESULTS FOR BOOBS ON THE INTERNET! 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Leland Colonna 12/12/12 11:01 AM
Never mind the personal frustration, just wait till the porn companies get wind of this! Traffic is gonna go WAAAY down.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Swanky Store 12/12/12 11:24 AM
Being I run an adult based blog that used google for many free images, I guess it's time to move on.  I don't need to double, or triple my work time just finding a few images.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Leland Colonna 12/12/12 11:27 AM
Meet the nanny!

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Dylan T. Richardson 12/12/12 11:29 AM
That's bullshit and you know it. We don't need to have some secret code with Google images so that it knows what we want. If we want those options not to show up, then we'd have turned SafeSearch on ourselves. Bring back the regular search.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Robert Turnbull 12/12/12 11:34 AM
@ayc It may not prevent them, but it makes it more difficult for certain (common) uses of Google images.

There are a few questions that would be very good to have answered:

  1. What was the reason behind this change?
  2. Why does it only apply to the US?
  3. How are the features already in play to manage explicit images (locked safesearch settings, control over whether or not this filter is applied and the default setting is "Moderate") not sufficient to meet the reason?

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Dylan T. Richardson 12/12/12 11:36 AM
Here's the new results when you search "porn". Oh, but I'm sure the problem is that my query didn't "reflect this intent" as Albert said. How much more specific do you need to be?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Michael Plouffe 12/12/12 11:37 AM
Bullshit. http://i.imgur.com/Cr047.jpg
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Dylan T. Richardson 12/12/12 11:43 AM
What happened to "don't be evil"?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Leland Colonna 12/12/12 11:44 AM
It's not only the vague, one-word searches either. I literally typed in the names of two very prolific adult film stars TOGETHER because I know they did a scene with each other, and it gives me PG13, irrelevant BS!
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Killdash9 12/12/12 11:51 AM
So if you can just append "porn" to the end of a search and get the results ... and the work around was created to prevent kids from turning off safe search .... seems like those same kids could simply add the word porn to their search and it negates the changes .... doesn't seem to be the best thought out plan
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Kyle Whisler 12/12/12 11:53 AM
Thanks for the ride, Google.  Never thought that I'd say this, but I've switched to Bing.  I don't even use image search for porn, but arbitrarily censoring search results without an option to shut it off, even while logged in to my account, is just ridiculous.  It seems to me that you've forgotten where you came from.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Bryan123456 12/12/12 11:55 AM
Still censored results... after 13 years, default search page set to not-google.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Dylan T. Richardson 12/12/12 11:56 AM
Just searched LEXI BELLE SUCKING DICK. How is that not specific enough for you? Image of the censored results included.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? josh hall 12/12/12 12:02 PM
Dear Google,

You are dead to me. I swore I would never use Bing but you left me no choice. I do not even ever search for adult images on the image search but you taking away my ability to do so is absurd.

You have gone out of your way to block torrent results (which was not required or even suggested) and now blocked explicit images from ADULTS. The option of safesearch was enough. Now you have lost a customer for life.

No more android, no more google searches, no more gmail, nothing... I am completely done with your censorship. America is supposed to be "free" and now you are just contributing to the deliberate destruction of our freedom as Americans, individuals, adults and HUMAN BEINGS.

Good parents, protect their kids from things they wish to. Bad parents rely on others to protect their kids. You are anti freedom and pro bad parenting.

Bye Forever.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Michael Plouffe 12/12/12 12:04 PM
The whole dont be evil thing was taken away a long time ago. Its just for startups. They have investors to worry about now, so they started being evil. Ex:

  • Taking down torrents

  • censoring searches

  • ranking certain results higher

  • patent lawsuit vs Microsoft trying to ban Xbox sales


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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Tru Dann 12/12/12 12:08 PM
ayc:
This is now the 10th comment down on the 4th item on the front page of Reddit. You are blatantly lying. Soon many many many people will be comparing Google search with Bing and other searches and be very disappointed in Google. I know I am.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Dylan T. Richardson 12/12/12 12:11 PM
“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.” 

“If you want to keep a secret, you must also hide it from yourself.” 


1984
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? emayar 12/12/12 12:16 PM
Hi Albert,

Your description of how the changes should be working differs so greatly from what users are experiencing that it is hard for me not to dismiss your commentary as a bold-face lie. Either something in implementation went horribly wrong, or you are greatly misrepresenting the search service.


Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? RX. 12/12/12 12:17 PM
Search works like this: blowjob blowjob
Or this: anal anal sex
Weird, huh?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? one234h 12/12/12 12:35 PM
What do you do when people complain about the gov't and ISP's censoring them?

Give them a button that's one click away that allows *THEM* to declare things "offensive". When you have a hammer, everything's a nail. Now instead of a hammer, everyone is able to TELL GOOGLE "this is offensive. Don't show me this.

We are now the ones who will censor.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? ayc 12/12/12 12:36 PM
Hi guys,

Just to confirm - we are not censoring any adult content and want to show users exactly what they are looking for -- but we aim not to show sexually-explicit results unless a user is specifically searching for them. We use algorithms to select the most relevant results for a given query. If you’re looking for adult content, you can find it without having to change the default setting -- you just may need to be more explicit in your query if your search terms are potentially ambiguous. The image search settings work the same way as in web search.

-A
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Ian Wyatt 12/12/12 12:37 PM
This is BS censorship. I can't believe Google would make this change. If I search boobs why the hell would Google forcefully hide boobs from me? Bring back ALL THE BOOBS. As far as "improving it", that's BS. What they did was remove the ability to turn it off, and made the "moderate" setting the default.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Dylan T. Richardson 12/12/12 12:45 PM
Dear Albert,

Don't fucking lie to me.

Sincerely,
Dylan
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? bubbledup 12/12/12 12:53 PM
that's what the "safe search on" setting is for.
Seriously, do you really think someone is looking for motivational posters when he enters "porn" in that search field?

Anyway, time to set the default home page policy in my ad to bing.com
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Thisisabuchofcrap 12/12/12 12:54 PM
Albert is another one of those fake "Experts" who have no clue what they are talking about.   If I search pussy, I am not looking for Pussy Riot.  I shouldn't have to put: any, bald, harry, shaved, wet, loose, tight, or anythign else with the word pussy to search pussy.  If i wanted to search pussy riot I would search for Pussy Riot.  Google dun goofed on this one.  Ever heard the phrase if it ain't broke don't fix it?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Simon B251 12/12/12 1:02 PM
Are they really trying to coddle us like children? I think we have the brains to know that if we search cock sucking, we're going to see some explicit stuff, I'm also sure that those images aren't going to put us off using Google.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Gentoo is fun 12/12/12 1:03 PM
If I want search Misaka and upskirt, what whould be better "search word" for it? Google.com doesn't give correct result, unlike where google.fi or bing works fine. 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Dave Calkins 12/12/12 1:04 PM
^ seriously. wtf google. I already loathe gmail for my lack of ability to block senders outright. But now my last modicum of freedom has been stripped away. If I wanted my image search results filtered for me at someone elses discretion I would move to China or North Korean and let them choose for me.  
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Meester Gumby 12/12/12 1:04 PM
AYC (Albert Choi) quit pretending you don't understand.
Google UK has three choices: off, moderate, strict.
That is how it was in the USA until yesterday.
Now in the USA you have two choices: moderate and filtered.
Why here in the USA and nowhere else in the world?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Engineer m 12/12/12 1:04 PM
So now, all a person has to do is simply type another word to get the same results as he/she would've before with the options.

Explain to us one more time how the original method wasn't working? It would also probably be best if, in the future, you let your millions of US search users know ahead of time before you roll out a phantom change to your search algorithms. Just an idea.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Simon B251 12/12/12 1:04 PM
And seriously, AYC, why are you blatantly lying to us? Or have you not got the memo yet? Even still, even someone with the remotest of competence could just go and check for themselves whether results are being censored, and they are.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? acL09 12/12/12 1:04 PM
Interesting that this is only happening for the US domain.

Was this a nudge from the US government to 'protect the children?'  I am not a child, I do not want my search results censored.  I'm switching to Bing until this is fixed.


"DON'T BE EVIL"
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? nio124 12/12/12 1:10 PM
Please, AYC, explain to me how doing an image search for the term "blowjob" could be defined as ambiguous. Because the returned results don't show a single picture of a blowjob. I'm not an English professor, but the word seems pretty unambiguous to me. If anything is ambiguous here, it is google's search results after this change was implemented.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? grfrog 12/12/12 1:10 PM
Wouldn't making safe search be on by default be less evil. You shouldn't be in the business of censoring period. Your a Search engine, not the morality police. Stop being so dammed "big brother" style scary. Why is making your search results less accurate acceptable to you, and why do you think that would be acceptable to us.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/12/12 1:11 PM
ayc; You say -" We use algorithms to select the most relevant results for a given query. " and I ask you, Where in the search query 'dick in mouth' does Rush Limbaugh smoking a cigar fall? Cut the censor crap and stop lying about it, Please.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Engineer m 12/12/12 1:11 PM
One more thing: if this change is to protect children from explicit content that may be shown when they search for 'boob' (making them type another word out is a fantastic deterrent /.s), make safe search default on for non-account searches. If I log into Google and search for something, I want control over what is shown.

It's my account. Give me back my control.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Leland Colonna 12/12/12 1:18 PM
How is THIS ambiguous!?!?!? (possibly NSFW)
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? jasonjax94 12/12/12 1:19 PM
FUCK THIS BULLSHIT!! THEY SAY THEY DID THIS TO MAKE THINGS BETTER?!?!!?!? ALL THIS DID WAS MAKE ME SAY FUCK YOU GOOGLE IM USING BING TILL YOU CHANGE BACK!!!!
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Meester Gumby 12/12/12 1:22 PM
etc.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? TheLogicalSong 12/12/12 1:56 PM
Look, technically he's right. Try to see this from Google's point of view; they've made a good expansively searching search engine that sometimes gives people stuff they don't want. I've run into this personally; BUT, when I'm around family or whatnot I can generally turn on strict safesearch and search for whatever I want, and as long as I don't search for something ridiculously obviously sexually related, I'm fine.

This isn't technically outright blocking of sites; you can get to all of the sites you could before, but it does count as filtering. To whomever suggested we paint the US pink on the Wikipedia Net Censorship page I think that's kind of an over-reaction. This isn't a "Block", it's a Filter; you can still get to the sites, they're just filtered out of a (arguably THE) major search engine unless you know exactly what you're looking for.

It seems as if the changes haven't outright censored the web, they've just made it prohibitively difficult to find what you're looking for if you want NSFW stuff.
Google.co.uk is fine and all, but In the long term I think we might consider migrating to Bing. Google is pretty awesome; they provide all sorts of awesome services, mostly for free somehow, but this is a step in the wrong direction, and the most powerful way we can say that is by migrating to another site. It's really a shame; this was the best, most versatile search engine I'd ever seen until this happened.

To all of you conspiracy theorists who say this is the first step to web censorship, calm down. This isn't enforced by the Federal Government, it's just a policy decision made by a company trying to make their website more user-friendly because a lot of people in the US are a bit uptight about anything involving sex. It may prove to be a huge mistake; in which case I think it'll be reversed or at least changed somehow. I've never seen Google screw something up this bad before, it's generally been highly responsive to its users, I have faith that the company policymakers will figure it out eventually; in the meantime employees like the guy who posted above are stuck trying to defend enormously unpopular policy decisions and they're probably getting verbally dumped on for trying to defend something they can't really help any more than we can. So give the dude up there a break; he's just doing his job; if you want to scream at someone, don't. It won't help. Just move to Bing until this gets sorted out. 10 million angry posts will accomplish nothing. 10 million angry letters is concerning. 10 million users switching to Bing is a Panic-laden catastrophe.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Igor Kolker 12/12/12 1:57 PM
I would think 'blowjob' would be explicit enough, if it isn't then you are preventing it by making difficult. Jut add one more stop on the content filter called explicit and people wont have to guess with every search.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? josh hall 12/12/12 2:06 PM
Thelogicalsong,

You are an idiot. Yes it is filtering, filtering with no ability to turn the filter off. That is the issue. Make the default strict search, nobody would care. But make it so we can't turn it off is completely ridiculous

It seems as if the changes haven't outright censored the web, they've just made it prohibitively difficult to find what you're looking for if you want NSFW stuff.

Oh I feel much better after that comment. Did you even read what your wrote? Why would you ever support your search provider to make "it prohibitively difficult to find what you're looking for if you want NSFW stuff". To me, the number one reason for a good search engine is that it does not make ANYTHING difficult to find.

It is fucking simple. If I want boobs, I should type boobs. I should not have to come up with fucking adjectives to describe what type of boobs that I want. It is ridiculous... and you sir are a moron for believing this is not censorship. They are CENSORING your search results, with no ability to get uncensored results.

If I wanted to be told how to use my shit I would buy an Apple product.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? DarrellJ88 12/12/12 2:07 PM
Was a Google fan, now Google fan no longer. Unless Google comes out with a public apology and admits they made a completely stupid mistake and admit the persons responsible for this are idiots then I'm done with Google. No more Android, no more Google docs, no more Google anything. I'll give Google a chance to see the backlash and change their stance but if they don't, I'm done.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Matthew Lawson 12/12/12 2:08 PM
Hey Albert,

I just came across this NSFW image search comparison for the query 'blowjob.'  It is my understanding that the term 'blowjob' is most likely used as a synonym for fellatio.  This would be an example of a very specific adult search that has been watered down considerably when compared to the exact same search query on google.co.uk.

While I can appreciate that the developers at Google are probably still perfecting this new system, it honestly looks like blanket censorship.  As an American-based company, I'm sure you'd want to embrace all the ideals that make America such a great nation.  Censorship is not an ideal that Americans embrace, and nor should Google.

I have no interest in making adult-themed searches on Google, but I will stand against any person or organization that threatens the quintessential American ideals of freedom of speech and freedom of expression.  This issue needs to be resolved yesterday.

Respectfully,
Matthew
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Mat Phat 12/12/12 2:21 PM
I'll admit I've been a Google, and Chrome fan for a long time now, but this new method of safe searching is really too much.
I'll be switching to other web browsers and search engines until you guys realize you made a mistake.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Joeygreaser 12/12/12 2:27 PM
Yeah ayc, your advice means nothing. And doesn't help at all
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Kuraj 12/12/12 2:33 PM
I know Google is the last to ever listen to customer feedback because of their feeling they know what we like better. (supported by past evidence of some of the most disastrous updates ever made to online services in history of mankind)
But this is just stupid and redundant there were two search settings before, what made you think it would be better like this ?

No seriously, the person who thought of mandatory censorship of porn on the biggest search engine in the world was either the biggest troll ever or really really out of his mind.
also.. @ayc please explain to me how "double penetration" reflects my intent of searching for picture of graffiti, Lamborghini, random wallpaper of earth viewed from the outer space, horribly damaged face due to burn injury or people sticking fingers up their nose.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? theomni 12/12/12 2:48 PM
So I found from http://www.webpronews.com/google-preventing-u-s-users-from-disabling-safesearch-2012-12 a quote from Google Webmaster Trends Analyst John Mueller saying "The default should continue to behave similarly to what most users have had as the default so far (“moderate”)."

Which is totally fine, but that's not what I had set as my default. So you changed my safe search settings and won't let me change it back. I find this upsetting. 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Zeeibee 12/12/12 2:55 PM
Until today, I have never used Bing.  I never had a need because I trusted the 'Do No Evil' philosophy completely - perhaps too much so.  Censorship by its very definition is forced filtering, and that is what Google has done today.

As a result, I found that Bing's image result format was a pleasant surprise (in many ways superior).  I must now ask the question what else might Bing be doing better than Google?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? cxcmb 12/12/12 2:59 PM
hey albert,

how about answering this question in the form of an answer that wasn't parroted from your uppers:

WHY IS THE US THE ONLY COUNTRY THIS IS HAPPENING TO?????

i loved the fact that i could tailor my search results to non-filtered. there are a lot of things i research in the art and music worlds that could be deemed "suggestive", and your new algorithm now delegates a lot of that stuff into the category of porn.

i explicitly resent the fact that now i'm forced to use, at best, a "moderate" setting for image searches. THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANT. i've used the filtered search for years now, because I'M AN ADULT, AND I DO NOT NEED GOOGLE TO ACT AS MY NET DADDY.

thanks for cowtowing to the lowest common denominator, google.


Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Dylan T. Richardson 12/12/12 3:00 PM
No one had their search set to moderate. No one wants to be censored.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? cxcmb 12/12/12 3:02 PM
yes, this pisses me off, as i never used moderate filtering on my searches.

google acting as net nanny, but ONLY in the US, reeks of cowtowing to someone... but who?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? cxcmb 12/12/12 3:03 PM
"i've used the filtered search for years now."

i meant unfiltered... oops
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Sterling Layman 12/12/12 3:08 PM
I am kind of glad Google did this because it drove me to use Bing for all my searches. Did you know that Bing will give you Amazon gift cards just for searching with them? Neither did I until Google fucked up their search so bad that I left. Thanks Google, you just made shopping on Amazon cheaper for me by driving me away from your site.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Sterling Layman 12/12/12 3:13 PM
It fine that you made safesearch be able to be turned on or off based on what you are searching for, but why take away the option to just turn it off all together? The second you add back the option to turn safesearch off I will be back using you. Don't turn your site into this, just put it back the way it was and people will be happy.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Me!!! 12/12/12 3:23 PM
Stupid ass fucken google! Now there's no options at all between strict, moderate, or no filtering!!!!!!!! Thanks a damn lot, now im using YAHOO! For god's sakes, who uses yahoo now-a-days!!!!!!! FUCKEN RETARDS, QUIT FUCKING UP GOOGLE!
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? onemaster 12/12/12 3:25 PM
One Operative word seems to be Hardcore.

LEXI BELLE SUCKING DICK = Bland
LEXI BELLE SUCKING DICK HARDCORE = the results one would expect.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rekrul 12/12/12 5:38 PM
Something most people seem to have overlooked;

This isn't just about finding porn. How do you know exactly what's being filtered by the new settings? If you can't turn the filters off, how can you ever be sure you're seeing all the results? Is the word "porn" a codeword for turning off the filters, or does it just happen to let sexually explicit images through? What about an image that might be considered explicit, but which isn't porn, such as an educational image? Would the word "porn" allow that to be found, or would it still be filtered until you found the magical combination that would show it?

As long as the filter can't be turned off, you can never be sure that you're seeing ALL the matches.

To the people asking why this change only applies to the US; Give it time. I predict that if the negative backlash doesn't cause Google to revert this change, within a week, maybe two, all the other sites will be just as useless as the US one. That's how Google has always operated, roll out changes to the US based sites first and then change the others later.

Mark my words, the others sites WILL be changed, unless enough people speak out against this idiotic decision!

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Simon B251 12/12/12 5:42 PM


On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:15:31 PM UTC, Dingus wrote:
Something is inherently depraved about vying arguments on censorship of virtual rights.  Patronize life people.  What's wrong with this picture?  It's not real. 

 Please move along tool.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Kuraj 12/12/12 6:10 PM
Please, don't be shitting us.
People who formerly had safe search turned off won't get offended if they accidentally stumble upon content of such nature.

And please, put the "related search" excuse somewhere. Terms such as Fellatio, Blowjob and Cunnilingus that are exclusively related to explicit content not returning explicit.. matches when searched aren't very relevant now are they ?
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? ExUser 12/12/12 6:53 PM
This is a lie, Albert, and you know it.
A lame and transparent attempt at spin and damage control.

The fact is, when I search for a term, I want the results that most closely reflect this term, "adult" or not.
If I want to filter out "adult" results, I can set the "safe" filtering level.
If I do not, it is a clear indication that I want *everything* -- raw and unfiltered.

Now, here's a simple solution to this problem: use Bing.

Let me repeat that: JUST USE *** B I N G ***

I don't like Microsoft, but since they are not an advertisement company, I trust them more than trust Google with my searches.
But you know what, it took me some time to get used to it but now I like Bing just fine.

Let me know when you decide to treat your audience as adults and maybe I'll come back.


Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? ExUser 12/12/12 6:55 PM
Couldn't have said it better myself.

And by the way, the change is global now.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Meester Gumby 12/12/12 7:32 PM
for cryin' out loud you can even get unfiltered search results in Saudi Arabia, just not the USA.
Was this your idea AYC (Albert Choi) or are you just the lackey that was sent into the front lines.
 
 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? ExUser 12/12/12 7:32 PM
> Just to confirm - we are not censoring any adult content and want to show users exactly what they are looking for

Lies.
What I want to see is exactly what I typed.
You don't get to decide what I'm looking for, I do.

> but we aim not to show sexually-explicit results unless a user is specifically searching for them.

Lies.
How do you know what I'm looking for? I typed the search words, respect them!
If I want to leave sexually-explicit results off, I'll use the bloody "safe" settings.
If I don't, it means I want to see everything.

> We use algorithms to select the most relevant results for a given query.

Then use different algorithms.
It's not that we don't have an alternative. Bing does not play nanny.

> If you’re looking for adult content, you can find it without having to change the default setting

Lies.
I specifically tried searching for adult content. I tried "fellatio", "
cunnilingus" and lots of other terms, none resulted in what I intended to find.
Bing always shows me the relevant results.

> you just may need to be more explicit in your query if your search terms are potentially ambiguous.

How can we get it through your thick heads?
GIVE *US* THE CHOICE!!!

> The image search settings work the same way as in web search.

Thank you for telling us, we'll use Bing for web search too then.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? ExUser 12/12/12 7:34 PM
It was just a corporate slogan.
Google never intended to actually adhere to it.

Wait, don't tell me you fell for it.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? TJ43 12/12/12 7:35 PM
Google are damn hypocrites. First they ask for our support against internet regulations to not let governments censor internet, then they do own censorship.
Let me tell you google, if I want to search for "porn" or a "blowjob" and you won't let me, I'll just switch search engines. I don't want or need to specify my results, because it will limit results to something specific as well. I just want to search for X and see Y results, like it used to be for all those years. There're light years of difference between porn and porn *123456* results and you know it. More words you add, less results you will get.
I did enough tests during last hour and I can tell you, that I refuse to use google with current forced safe search option. I have nothing against filters itself and all those systems that allows parents to lock safe search for their children, but they MUST be optional.
Seems like this time google forgot about main thing, just like they did with latest youtube update. It's a search engine for all kinds of people, so the more options - the better. Simple and not demanding users won't use or even see those options as they never do. But we, experienced users, must be allowed to customize our search results.

What's the worst part about it, it's not like they've added something, they removed things again. Welcome to 2013, where google can do/find less stuff than it could 7 years ago. Yep, it's a downgrade, congrats google "bright minds", you're doing your job very well.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Pterodactyl Treason 12/12/12 7:44 PM
That is bullshit. FUCK YOU GOOGLE!!! I am switching to bing.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? ExUser 12/12/12 7:48 PM

On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 4:10:32 PM UTC-5, nio124 wrote:
Please, AYC, explain to me [...]

Albert will not explain anything to you.
Nobody at Google will.
They don't give a crap about you.
They never did.
You are not the one who pays their bills.

You want them to listen?
Leave.
Completely.
Boycott them.
Don't use their search, don't use their maps, don't use Gmail, don't use G+, don't even go on youtube.
Oh, and don't use Android either.
There are alternatives, use them instead.
If enough people do that, the advertisers will notice.
Then Google will start to care.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? ayc 12/12/12 7:49 PM
Again -- we're not censoring any adult content from the index. Instead, things are dependent on the query - and algorithms will rank relevant results for the query. Now, algorithms aren't perfect, and I'll admit that. Right now, with the exception of a few cases that are being thrown around, our algorithms do a pretty good job. And, while I can't guarantee that any specific query you let me know about will be fixed, do know that we are constantly tweaking and tuning things to get better and become more intelligent. For the time being, you just may need to be more explicit in your query if the algorithms think your terms are potentially ambiguous.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? theomni 12/12/12 7:56 PM
I do agree that you are not censoring content, but you are actively singling out content that you have tagged as Adult and significantly obscuring it from view. While this is not censorship, it looks similar and raises a lot of the same concerns.

If you would like users to be more explicit on the question of if they want the safe search results or not then I think adding an option to disable safe search seems like the best solution. In fact, that was the solution until yesterday. Instead requiring them to try and guess at what you are thinking, what you think explicit content is or is not, and then trying to craft a specific search string in order to game the search engine to get results is neither desirable or productive. As time goes on it should be getting easier to search, not harder. 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Shane Morales 12/12/12 7:59 PM
> do know that we are constantly tweaking and tuning things to get better and become more intelligent.

Again -- You're full of shit. This is censorship plain and simple. And how is
censorship more intelligent, anyway?

Go tell your bosses we're not buying your bullshit. Tell them Bing is looking very appealing right about now.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Shane Morales 12/12/12 8:02 PM
Again -- You're full of sh!t. This is censorship plain and simple.

Go tell your bosses we're not buying their bullsh|t. Tell them that Bing is looking more and more appealing to us.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Patrick Whallon 12/12/12 8:02 PM
again, if things worked just fine before this change, and so many people dislike it, why not just change it back to how it was. rather than punish us for something your company decided to change?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? TJ43 12/12/12 8:05 PM
In other words you just made it harder to use for us, removed old and working filter system. May I ask what for?
There was a working filter system, where everyone could choose what he/she wanted to find, safe stuff or everything. Now, instead of simply turning a filter off just once or untill you clear the cookies, you made us to enter longer queries every time while results still won't reflect what we wanted to see.

Let's use a SFW example, it's not filtered, but it'll be ok for that.
I want to use google images to find nice pictures of ferrari cars. ANY model, any color, any year. I simply type ferrari and press enter, then I browse the results. And only if I have something on mind, let's say a red F40 model, I will type that in to search box.
Now, if imagine that ferrari would be in your new filter, I have to specify my results every time to see a real stuff, not some unrelated pictures. What if I don't want to specify, what if I don't have anything on mind when I start searching? Maybe I want to see some results first, before I will decide what exactly I want.
Did you thought about that?

And again, why removing option to turn it off completely? Was it necessary? Also, what do you think avera user will do now? Fight vs your algorithm system or just use alternative? For myself I already chose that I don't want to bother with your filters, for now just for images though.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? theomni 12/12/12 8:09 PM
So here's one of the things that bothers me. I understand that a significant number of people do not want to see Adult or Explicit or such results in their search results. That's why I have always liked the availability of a Safe Search feature, especially with the Moderate or Strict settings. I've used it myself on occasion when I was looking for images searching with a term that was normally associated with pornography, but I was looking for a non-porn image. 

But that's not me. That's not a lot of people. Even when I'm not explicitly trying to search for Adult content (which now appears to require a multi-word search string in order to convince the filter to step aside) it's entirely possible that there is content that is labeled as Adult that would be interesting to me or relevant to the search. But now there is no way to keep that in the search. Filtering results in this way creates an artificial bubble of content that is available to you. This is not a desired feature and is almost the exact opposite of the very concept of a search engine. To search. If someone wants to search for something that is not in the Explicit category then they would have had Safe Search on already. This change seems to add no additional benefit while serving to reduce the volume and variety of results available to users who had previously available search settings that have now been removed.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? ExUser 12/12/12 8:22 PM
Stop insulting out intelligence with your weaseling.

You know exactly what we want:
A way to search for exactly the terms that we specified, be they ambiguous, sexually explicit, immoral, whatever.  No filtering whatsoever.

I don't care if you make it a non-default setting, as long as it's there.

The only reason that I used to use Google (notice the past tense) was that it gave me the results that I wanted without making me go trough loops.
If I use ambiguous search terms, it's because I want ambiguous results.  Otherwise, I will be more specific.

Let me know when you finally get it.

Until then, Bing is my new best friend.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Moleculor 12/12/12 8:46 PM
You are wrong. This *is* preventing me from getting the content I want to see. A simple search for "redheads porn" brings up NO adult material at all.

Do the people in Google talk to each other? You all were just recently wailing about how the ITU was trying to censor the web.

Now you're doing it yourselves.

Stop it, Google. This is the first time in over a decade I've considered using a different search engine.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? ayc 12/12/12 8:50 PM
Hi Moleculor,

Can you attach a screenshot for that? I'm getting explicit content for your example.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Patrick Whallon 12/12/12 8:59 PM
can you just change your search engine setting back to how they once were? they were fine before this change, why is it soo hard for you guys to just undo this obviously disliked setting you are experimenting with?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Andy Chase 12/12/12 9:31 PM
What kind of searches were you having trouble finding stuff with?

I've never had problems with search bubble, although I will be the first to point out that "hide personal results" does barely anything to actually hide personally results.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Skardon 12/12/12 9:32 PM
How is REMOVING OPTIONS helpful for anyone? "Here's a way people search a lot, enjoy and is perfectly legal. Better get rid of it."

Making it harder to get to, or attempting to suppress, content with no way to outright circumvent it IS CENSORSHIP. Oh yes I realize you are trying to avoid people calling this censorship, but that is going to be a little hard when that is exactly what it is.

Give people an option to turn safesearch off completely. Problem solved. Or is that too hard to wrap your head around? If it is I have little hope for your algorithms.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? cxcmb 12/12/12 9:34 PM
i'm using google UK, and i can still control filtering.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? cxcmb 12/12/12 9:51 PM
hello, "Albert"...

while what you are doing may not be "censorship", per se, it's still limiting my ability to search for information. i donno about anyone else, but that reeks of censorship to me... and "Albert" (if that is your real name) WHY is it that you won't answer why this is only happening in America? huh?


"For the time being, you just may need to be more explicit in your query if the algorithms think your terms are potentially ambiguous."

your job, as a search engine, is to make my search for information easier; not an even more convoluted mess, involving ridiculously specific queries to get results that i could easily get before.

i've always kept my search filter off in the past, as a lot of my searches involve things that would be NSFW, or not appropriate for certain people. that's why google has been my exclusive search engine for 13 years; i could control filtering, as i'm and ADULT, AND I DO NOT NEED GOOGLE ACTING AS A NET NANNY. I DON'T WANT A MODERATE SEARCH SETTING... I'M NOT A CHILD AND I SURE AS HELL DON'T ENJOY BEING TREATED AS SUCH.

i'm switching over to Bing, and i'll be switching my main email account back over to yahoo (something i thought i'd never say when i opened my first gmail account 6 years ago).
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Zherry 12/12/12 10:27 PM
This is fucking bullshit. Don't censor results and don't force us to search the way you want. Just allow anyone to opt out of you childish search filters like you've been doing for years. 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Meester Gumby 12/12/12 11:02 PM
AYC (Albert) look at these two screen captures.
The google UK moderate search results are almost exactly the same as what you claim are unfiltered search results from google USA.
I think your responses are ambiguous.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Nicu Buculei 12/12/12 11:54 PM
I have one things to say - remember https://www.google.com/takeaction/ ? who's the hypocrite?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? j.pat 12/12/12 11:59 PM
http://i.imgur.com/RKuL8.jpg

Anyone looking for roosters would search rooster not cock.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? j.pat 12/13/12 12:04 AM
More than that, though, on the search results for "cock" there was not one image of a penis. What the hell?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Kyle Todoulakis 12/13/12 12:18 AM
Hey Al! Can you give me an uncensored opinion of Bing Maps? It seems like I'm going to have to get used to it when I get a new Window's phone.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rekrul 12/13/12 12:28 AM

Again -- we're not censoring any adult content from the index.

Again -- Nobody wants this.

Nobody wants to play guessing games to try and find the content they're looking for.

Nobody wants a filter second-guessing them about what they're looking for.

Nobody wants to have a filter that they can't turn off, rammed down their throats.

NOBODY FUCKING WANTS THIS!!!

How hard is it for Google to understand? People WANT to be able to turn off the SafeSearch option.

Is this fact not registering? Let me rephrase it;

WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO TURN THE FUCKING FILTERS OFF!!!

Still not comprehending?

PEOPLE WANT TO DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES WHETHER THEY USE A FUCKING FILTER!!!

How many different ways must it be said before it finally works its way into the tiny minds of the idiots who green-lighted this moronic decision?

NOBODY FUCKING WANTS THIS!!!



Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Chris McBride 12/13/12 12:30 AM
This is more than just safe search on/off/moderate.
Search for "topless", with explicit results. First 40 pictures, most are headshots, and 3 or 4 have visible nipples. Do the same search on the uk site with Safe Search to off and you get a similar mix of mostly headshots and two or three sets of visible nipples. So in this case Google is right, in US setting "explicit" to off returns roughly the same set as you'd get on the UK site with safe search off.
But perform the same search on a competitor site, with safe search off and EVERY picture in the top 40 has visible nipples, except on picture of a girl on her stomach. 

So Google is filtering the explicit results
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Ryan Lukasik 12/13/12 12:42 AM
bullshit censorship!!!!!!  Going to Bing.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Mike Schweitzer 12/13/12 1:14 AM
I am not getting the same results I would have gotten yesterday.  Search for "hot sex" and Justin Bieber is on the first page of results.  Riddle me this batman.  Don't filter anything if I tell you not to.  You are not my parents and I am not 12 years old.  Are you going to start filtering "protests" or "apple" soon.  This is horrible direction and I am seriously considering not using google anymore if this is what you want to take the company.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Fungus The Bogeyman 12/13/12 2:37 AM
OK, so how exactly do I "make sure your query reflects this intent"?

Can't google specify a foolproof way, eg. "Add '+unfiltered' to the search terms"? The current heuristic seems to be failing.

While we're here ...
If searching for porn is a legitimate activity then how about a filter to remove all the 'safe' images? I'm sure an awful lot of people would appreciate that (and set that search engine as their default).


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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Kuraj 12/13/12 4:16 AM
Well how about you add a filter called " I WANNA SEEH PR0N" that would always show explicit results with the most ambiguous searches ?
I think that would be a fairly straightforward way of telling google what kind of content I want to see.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? JesseFree 12/13/12 4:59 AM
If I search for Ni**er D**K, Black D**K I am getting filtered results.  I don't see how the search terms can get any more explicit than that.

Nohomo

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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rekrul 12/13/12 5:04 AM

This is more than just safe search on/off/moderate.Search for "topless", with explicit results. First 40 pictures, most are headshots, and 3 or 4 have visible nipples.

I noticed that too. Google has royally fucked up their search algorithms!

All in the name of... what? Being the world's net nanny? Driving away loyal users? Pissing people off?

I've always used Google as my search engine, but this change is so fucking stupid that I'm going to have to get used to using other sites. Frankly I hate Bing, but I guess I don't have much choice.

Good work Google! If your plan was drive people away you're doing an excellent job. Now go fuck yourselves!
 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? ExUser 12/13/12 5:24 AM
> Again -- we're not censoring any adult content from the index.

Don't play with words Albert. You're not censoring from the index but you do censor from the results. The end effect is the same.

> Instead, things are dependent on the query - and algorithms will rank relevant results for the query.
> Now, algorithms aren't perfect, and I'll admit that.

This is the main point. Your algorithms cannot ever be perfect.
The reason that I had filtering turned off even when I was searching for completely innocent images was that sometimes your algorithms considered the images that best fit my intention as "unsafe" even when they weren't. Sometimes the image happened to reside on a porn site even though it wasn't pornographic, sometimes it was due to surrounding text, sometimes it was because a lot of skin was shown (a male swimmer in a competition or something like that).

> Right now, with the exception of a few cases that are being thrown around, our algorithms do a pretty good job.

No, they are not.
They never did and they never will, because they cannot anticipate every case and cannot infer the intention of every possible user for every possible query.
The cases that are thrown around are just the most obvious examples that are the easiest to verify.

> And, while I can't guarantee that any specific query you let me know about will be fixed

THAT'S THE POINT!
You are forcing on us those algorithms which you know to be flawed and, by your own admission, cannot be fixed, without any way of opting out,
> we are constantly tweaking and tuning things to get better and become more intelligent.

> For the time being, you just
may need to be more explicit in your query if the algorithms think your terms are potentially ambiguous.

You still don't get it, do you?
We don't want to have to fight your algorithms.
Give us a way to get completely unfiltered results like Bing does, or see us go away.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? TheTaoOfKastro 12/13/12 5:26 AM

For the time being, you just may need to be more explicit in your query if the algorithms think your terms are potentially ambiguous.

I'm sorry, but some of the terms people are posting examples about, there is no way you can suggest they're "potentially ambiguous", not without deliberately screwing with the search algorithms to filter content with the filter off. I'm sure someone higher up has their hands on those strings controlling what you're allowed to say, so instead of playing puppet and feeding us more bs, get one your bosses in here.

Like I said in another thread, people aren't buying what you're selling. The only job your algorithms are doing is convincing people like me that you guys care more about corporate interests than the user base. That won't work with me. I've already changed my homepage to Bing and now utilize it for my searches. I don't need someone holding my hand trying to tell me what I actually mean if I search for something. I'm quite capable of making that decision for myself.

If you guys want to continue trying to play big-brother here, then don't bother continuing your little campaigns against "internet censorship" and "keeping the internet in the hands of the people.". It's a blatant contradiction to your recent actions, and people are noticing that. No need to be hypocritical in addition to retarded.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Matthew2112 12/13/12 6:11 AM
Hey I fixed it
I have just removed google as a search engine and switched to Bing and Yahoo.
And I type what I want and bang, I am not being filtered

This is the beginning of the end for google

I don't care what I type in my search and I don't care about the results

I want all filters turned off, I am an adult. Stop trying to tell me what I can and can't see

I like many others I have talked too are moving away from google as a search engine

Thank you google for trying to control us
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? cjgeyer 12/13/12 6:16 AM
This is crap and you know it.  Search already defaulted to a safe-search why can i no longer disable it to see unfiltered results? 

Google search always turned up quality results with minimal query terms why complicate it more?  Its a step backwards for the sake of censorship and a removal of control by the user.  TERRIBLE.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Simon B251 12/13/12 6:19 AM


On Thursday, December 13, 2012 3:49:32 AM UTC, ayc wrote:
Again -- we're not censoring any adult content from the index. Instead, things are dependent on the query - and algorithms will rank relevant results for the query. Now, algorithms aren't perfect, and I'll admit that. Right now, with the exception of a few cases that are being thrown around, our algorithms do a pretty good job. And, while I can't guarantee that any specific query you let me know about will be fixed, do know that we are constantly tweaking and tuning things to get better and become more intelligent. For the time being, you just may need to be more explicit in your query if the algorithms think your terms are potentially ambiguous.

The amount of bullshit in this is incredible.

Practically EVERY explicit search comes with NO explicit results.

That's not 'a few exceptions' that's the WHOLE THING.

Do your damn job, and get a leash on this problem and fix it, we're CUSTOMERS, your job is to deal with CUSTOMERS and we all hate it, and if you don't change it back to when it functioned CORRECTLY we'll just leave for another search engine
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Thisisabuchofcrap 12/13/12 6:28 AM
Scumbag Albert  This sums up the issue we have with whats goign on
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Simon B251 12/13/12 6:31 AM


On Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:30:48 AM UTC, Chris McBride wrote:
So in this case Google is right, in US setting "explicit" to off returns roughly the same set as you'd get on the UK site with safe search off.
But perform the same search on a competitor site, with safe search off and EVERY picture in the top 40 has visible nipples, except on picture of a girl on her stomach. 


Actually you're wrong, UK moderate is similar to US off, UK off gives (as expected) plenty of topless women.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Jason Clifton 12/13/12 6:43 AM
I realize its not true censorship.  However,  when the suggested solution to get actual relevant results is to make sure my "query reflects my intent" your search engine just got much less attractive.  Especially when expressing appropriate intent is apparently not as straightforward as it seems.  I could give you specific examples, but I believe there are enough on this thread that you should have a pretty good idea of what i'm talking about.  

Its like being back in the early 2000's where you had to try several search queries to get something thats actually relevant.  
Congrats Google I'll be giving Bing a try for a while
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? hlehmann 12/13/12 6:46 AM
Nice corporate non-answer, Albert.  Yes, your change does prevent people from getting the results they want, so stop lying about it.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? cjgeyer 12/13/12 6:50 AM
You are lying outright... to a customer... as a representative of google. How is that acceptable in any way?

Proof:  If you do an image search without filtering results on the new page you will receive the filtered results, to double check click the "switch to basic version" link at the bottom of the results you will see it has "Safe Search Moderate" on by default and there is no way to turn it off.


So... care to try that answer again? 

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? roboticpressure 12/13/12 6:56 AM
Google, this is completely unacceptable for a number of reasons.

1. Sex is not bad. What if Google decided tomorrow that War was bad. Suddenly you would be filtering out war photos? Unacceptable. 

2. If I have Safesearch turned off, I CLEARLY DON'T WANT MY SEARCHES TO BE "SAFE".

3. This sets a horrible precedent for you to censor anything and everything in the future.

4. This is for the US only? Uh...I was pretty sure the US was the most progressive country, not the most backwards. 

Seriously Google, if you don't fix this or make it clearly a user-setting, you will be sending a clear message to your userbase that you will censor any search data for any reason. 

Please stop this slide toward fascism. 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Winters 12/13/12 7:09 AM
Frankly this is ridiculous. Like someone else posted, your algorithms are not perfect. As such I do not want any sort of filtering enabled. I know adult content is available in droves on the internet and it doesn't offend me in anyway -- I just ignore it in results as it's generally not what I was looking for. This forced hand-holding is a serious breech of trust to your users and will drive them to seek other methods. You are a search engine. People search to see many results so that they may suss out what they're looking for. If you cannot be used as the tool you were meant to be then others will become the standard. If you're trying to become the next Excite you're doing a fine job. People want a simple and open search... they do not want to try to fight with the system to find the correct syntax. You are now the Zork of the internet. Congratulations. 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Tony Beauregard 12/13/12 7:27 AM
Dear Google,

As a long time user of your products, I am experiencing some doubt where my choice of Google products is concerned.

Just during this year, you have:
*  Discontinued a product that I use.  Yes, I believe I can live without igoogle, but it was an issue that I had to consider.

*  The lack of Linux support for Google Drive.  I have backed Google in the decision to roll out Google Drive without Linux support.  It has considerably lessened my use of Google products since I cannot connect a Google Drive to my system, but I figured I could wait for Google to support my choice of operating systems.

*  Censorship -  Notice that I'm not specifically mentioning safesearch, but going right to the censorship word.  When Google decided to take away my choice to control my own level of search filtering, the company chose to become a censor in my life.  (Yes, I have read the responses where people are assured that it is still possible to get the same search results possible before the change, but in my testing this does not seem to be true.)

My primary concerns fall into 2 general catagories:
1.  Who decides what is filtered and not filtered?  Whose morality is to be foisted upon other Google users? 

My personal opinion is that Google should allow me to make the choices for all the Google users worldwide.  I feel my personal take on morality is a reasonable guage to determine what is reasonable and unreasonable for other people to see when they do a search.

The previous paragraph sounds silly, doesn't it?  My personal level of morality would terrify some people, and be too lenient for others.  It would be wrong for me to force other people to live with my personal view of life (we are only talking search results here, lets not devolve into other useless areas of thought).

In the same vein, one of my reasons for not choosing Apple products is because of Steve Jobs decision that people should live by his choice of morality.  It would be interesting to hear an explanation as to why this change is any different from the stance that Apple has taken in its censorship of information to its users.

2.  Censorship is a slippery slope.  If you start filtering search results now, how do I know that you won't start filtering other results based upon the whim of a congressman, because some information is deemed dangerous for the public to access, or filter a news story because it is the "right thing to do".  I'm sorry, but saying, "We would never do that" won't suffice, as I never believed you would do what you are doing at this time.


My solution?  Find another method of configuring safesearch that allows for better control, while allowing your users the ability to disable safesearch if they feel it is what they need.  With the resources of Google, a better solution can be developed.  And, while working on the new solution, leaving this current version of censorship in place is not a "good iterim solution".  Google needs to restore the old safesearch settings, and admit that this was a mistake, and that plans are in place to generate a new safesearch methodology that meets Google's goals while allowing the level of flexibility that Google's users have come to expect.

One final note:  I have never been tempted to use Microsoft Bing, but if you check my current search logs, you will notice that the number of searches that I make utilizing Google's search tool will start to decline as I test other search engines to determine which meets my needs.

This will also be a slippery slope.  If I can find a search engine that replaces Google's option, then I guess I could start looking for a replacement for Google Drive.  I've been purchasing Music from Google Play (1 album and 2 songs just last weekend), but if I'm not able to utilize other Google tools, I may have to throw my support, and my money at another music service.  Is it time for me to look at Amazon?

I believe Google needs to put together some type of group to determine the effect that service changes will have on Google's customers.  Other companies have fallen because as they grew, they lost the ability to "listen" to the needs of their customer base, or to determine that customer base would react to service changes, or communications that were not well thought out in advance.

While Google is bigger, think about what has happened to Netflix.

Sincerely,
Tony
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? roboticpressure 12/13/12 7:36 AM
GOOGLE: BRINGING YOU THE PARTS OF THE INTERNET WE THINK ARE OK
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? RJT378 12/13/12 7:48 AM
A porn mosaic of Rick Santorum - now that is gold.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? wblasjbds 12/13/12 7:56 AM
I cannot search terms either. If I put "SEX" or "PUSSY" in the search for example, all I see are non-explicit images. Why is google filtering search results? This is crazy?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Zack Williamson 12/13/12 7:59 AM
This is more than just a new SafeSearch filter. I have evidence that says this is a full algo change that even effects Web results not just Images. Any site that wasn't necessarily a porn site but had a porn section may also be affected by this update.

I think this act goes against their efforts to support net neutrality. I feel like I moved to China!

1/3rd of all searches are adult related so what % of results did this effect? In comparison to the Panda and the penguin this may big the biggest update yet!

 FAIL!
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Brandon Lefebvre 12/13/12 8:13 AM
I just tried the blowjob search and got nothing but the memes.  I have always liked Google because of its openness and lax policy towards how I use MY personal time on the internet.  I wanted porn I could find it.  I don't think it's remotely okay for their policies to change now.  They are betraying their own philosophies it seems to me and supporting the overall trend towards controlling the internet and I am not remotely in favor of it.  Please change it back Google or I'll take my search engine use elsewhere and BING might actually get some users.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Peter Tunta 12/13/12 8:36 AM
I get similar results as you, the results of the Image Search are not only filtered by their explicitness but also much fewer (at least for some sites if you use a site specific search with site:example.com "SearchString").
To google. Just go back to the algorithms you used last week and everybody would be happy.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? cjgeyer 12/13/12 8:37 AM
The blowjob search does produce memes, many of which have pictures of underage girls with unfortunate poses that makes them look like they are giving blowjobs. 

So the result of this change is a "safe" Google search for blowjob now shows sexualized pictures underage girls.

Way to go search team!  Why don't you have a seat... I'll send Chris Hansen your way.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? goodriddancegoogle 12/13/12 8:45 AM
What a ridiculous change.

Despite what the google corporate robot (Albert 2.3) has stated, this is a major hindrance in getting to the content I want to see, because now I must guess what secret keywords google has decided will allow me to pass through their filter portal and see adult content.

I AM an adult, google. Treat me like one.

Actually, nevermind, because I've already switched over my default search engines to Bing. Do whatever you want. Try to bubblewrap the internet, so those precious snowflakes won't see something explicit when they are doing an innocent search for "bukkake".
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Boogieboy 12/13/12 9:31 AM
This is wrong.  Google should not be filtering search results in any way without user permission. 

This rule should apply to adult, political, religious, and ALL other search topics or media.

With this change, uncertainty and doubt creeps into my use of Google for the first time since I began using Google.  The company should understand how powerful this factor is.  If Google gains a reputation for creating search result  uncertainty, then its entire franchise will suffer greatly.

BBoy  



Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Tmac Bigmac 12/13/12 10:48 AM
This Topic has over 6,000+ views google get of your ass and fix this shit obviously this change isn't popular at all.







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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? jmtw000 12/13/12 10:55 AM
Why would you do this? I understand people don't want porn popping up when they're looking for something unrelated. BUT, there NEEDS to be an option to completely turn off the filtering entirely. Having the query, "reflect the intent" ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH! There are times when I'm doing research that I need to have all images returned which match the query whether they're adult in nature or not. I don't know if they're adult or not, that's why I'm searching. I need to be able to see ALL THE RESULTS. This is enough to make me switch to Bing, you censoring bastards. You can take your family values and shove them you know where.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Kuraj 12/13/12 11:38 AM
Add your voice, https://www.google.com/takeaction/
Tell Google they are the biggest hypocrites to walk the earth.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Hdtm 12/13/12 11:48 AM
It doesn't seem as if anyone is listening folks, and this Albert person is just a grunt, abandon your faith in this imposter.
The management who elected this are probably enjoying the delusional pride of a decision well made.

It's our fault for assuming a corporation was ever to be trusted.

Look at the power they have - it's tremendous! We can't even address them unless we offer their benefactors an opportunity to sell us something by signing up for an advertising-funded google account.

HUBRIS.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Skardon 12/13/12 11:54 AM
On the bright side I learned that Bing video search is MUCH better than google's. They have this cool feature where I can turn safesearch completely off and it doesn't just search youtube. google should try that out.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Hdtm 12/13/12 11:57 AM
Incidentally, the extension '.com' should not belong to any country. It should be a logical location without geographic ownership.

Each country has it's own extension - '.us' included.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/13/12 12:23 PM
ayc; I understand that your job is to deal with people at this level, fine, no problem with that. I know that you do not have the pay-grade that makes these changes. Your job is to repeat and explain the company policies not make them. How about this, Have someone that does have the rank email me with the real reason. I am not asking for anyone's email address, give them mine and they can set up a temporary account and explain to me why it looks like Google has gone against their own policies and are censoring the internet. I have been with Google a while and really like most of it that I understand and hate the idea of dumping all of my Google stuff and sites. But I will, as I believe that I must stand up to it over this. I will wait a week or so and see what Google does. Do you think a week is long enough? I am going to really hate giving up my gmail account, but I will. I am sure you will respond to this in a positive manner,  Thank you, Harold Raby
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Fungus The Bogeyman 12/13/12 12:52 PM
Well, you did it. You actually made me go to Bing and compare some image search results side by side.

The results of my experiment aren't good for Google. There's no way I could trigger your 'heuristics' (whatever they may be) to give me results comparable to Bing. Not even close.

I haven't ever used Bing out of principle - Microsoft is always playing "catch-up" to Google. Second best. The only reason anybody would ever use Bing is because it's the default in Windows and they never changed it, right...?

Wrong. Starting today, there's no way I'm *NOT* going to be using Bing, for images at least. Google images *sucks* by comparison and I don't see how anybody who compares the two side by side would come to a different conclusion.

And ... while I'm over at Bing I might start comparing other search results side by side with Google, too. Find out if Google web search really is as good as I've always assumed.

Well done. You just committed suicide by trying to meddle in politics/morality.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Patrick Whallon 12/13/12 1:05 PM
i think the google team is pretty much ignoring us at this point. that how this usually works, they will just wait for us to get tired of complaining, ignore this generation of googlers and wait for the next. it like most online services, they say you are important...but they really just dont care lol.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Matty69 12/13/12 1:12 PM
@LogicalSong and those confused about what "censorship" is:
 
"Censorship is the suppression of speech or other public communication which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or inconvenient as determined by a government, media outlet, or other controlling body. It can be done by governments and private organizations..." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship).
 
If this "algorithm" hides certain websites, doesn't this impede your ability to find the sites? Isn't this a form of blocking? Unless you have every website address memorized, you need to rely on search engines. Filtering in this context is blocking; the distinction here is nil. Filtering == blocking == censorship. Take this shit out of the "algorithm."
 
Just because the government isn't involved doesn't mean it's not censorship. A non-government organization can censor, and it might even be legal, but it doesn't make it right. Google has a huge level of position power, meaning that they have control over a lot more than you might like or even be aware of. I don't know where LogicalSong gets the idea that Google's services are "mostly for free somehow." Check out Google's 2012 third quarter earnings and get back to us if you think they're doing things for free (http://investor.google.com/pdf/2012Q3_google_earnings.pdf). Do some basic accounting and figure out where the $10,000,000,000+ is coming from if it isn't coming from their massive user base (directly or indirectly via other means, such as through funding that pays off thanks to users). As Google users, it's our prerogative to throw a fit when shit like this happens because USERS SUPPORT THE WHOLE FUCKING OPERATION!
  
And whoever said that voicing your opinion won't help? I didn't get to vote on this, so of course I'm going to scream and bitch at people who make dumb ass decisions without the consent of their users. Speak up, or you won't be heard. Somehow, the "product experts" passed this through the system at Google and the "policy makers" haven't figured it out yet. It's up to "we the people" to make sure we don't end up a pink blob on Wikipedia's Internet Censorship page. I think your faith in the "company policymakers " is severely misplaced.
 
 
On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 1:56:41 PM UTC-8, TheLogicalSong wrote:

This isn't technically outright blocking of sites; you can get to all of the sites you could before, but it does count as filtering. To whomever suggested we paint the US pink on the Wikipedia Net Censorship page I think that's kind of an over-reaction. This isn't a "Block", it's a Filter; you can still get to the sites, they're just filtered out of a (arguably THE) major search engine unless you know exactly what you're looking for.

To all of you conspiracy theorists who say this is the first step to web censorship, calm down. This isn't enforced by the Federal Government, it's just a policy decision made by a company trying to make their website more user-friendly because a lot of people in the US are a bit uptight about anything involving sex. It may prove to be a huge mistake; in which case I think it'll be reversed or at least changed somehow. I've never seen Google screw something up this bad before, it's generally been highly responsive to its users, I have faith that the company policymakers will figure it out eventually; in the meantime employees like the guy who posted above are stuck trying to defend enormously unpopular policy decisions and they're probably getting verbally dumped on for trying to defend something they can't really help any more than we can. So give the dude up there a break; he's just doing his job; if you want to scream at someone, don't. It won't help. Just move to Bing until this gets sorted out. 10 million angry posts will accomplish nothing. 10 million angry letters is concerning. 10 million users switching to Bing is a Panic-laden catastrophe.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Winters 12/13/12 1:14 PM
Even though this doesn't resolve the issue that Google should not filter any results unless requested to by the specific user..

Add this search to your browser's search engines:


That will search through the .ca instead where you still have the right to turn safesearch off.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Winters 12/13/12 1:18 PM
And in case Big G gets upset about using such a work-around they should remember that their official response to us was essentially to work around their system by finding just the right search string to use. This is just the next logical conclusion; either bypassing their ridiculous safesearch change or by using another engine entirely. If their change goes global and kills this work-around then there really is no other work around than just using a different engine entirely.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Disgusted17 12/13/12 2:06 PM
I just tried Ixquick. It's pretty good. Images are small, but it's private and uncensored. I will be using it and Bing for images in the future. When I get used to them will likely uninstall Chrome. Too bad. 

Google has just shown it has gone down the same path as Microsoft and so many others: size = arrogance = stupidity.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Jeromy Bergstein 12/13/12 2:45 PM
Google did not come up with a new 'algorithm' in regards to the Safe Search feature, because when you compare 'Safe Search' to google.ca's results or .co.uk results its the SAME results as moderate search when their filters are on. What did Google actually do? Not a damn thing besides censor its users. All they did was remove the American search engines ability to turn it off, making moderate search the only option for google.com, that or completely censored. And if you go to the .ca or .co.uk versions of the domain, and search for anything with the filter on, and compare it to default google.com's search you will see for yourself - identical results! Because..... There is no magic algorithm.

Google.com = Moderate Search as default, even with the filter turned off.
Non-American Google Searches = The same search as the American one, when the filter is turned on. You turn it off? Completely different results!

So yeah, there is no algorithm genius behind this new form of censorship which Google blatantly denies it is. All there can really be is you being locked into moderate search while other countries get to turn it off completely.

Google is a joke, how dare them say they stand against censorship. They should leave China alone, they are worse than China because China is honest about being a dictatorship that censors the net, Google is the corporate entity smiling in our faces, saying they stand for the people and against online censorship and SOPA, then knifing us when we turn our backs and calling it an algorithm and they flat out deny it's censorship. Rather than answer the questions of the people, they prop AYC up like Weekend at Bernies, as he is continuously pelted and barraged with endless streams of hate, and sock puppet generic responses through him as if he's not even a real person but just a puppet on their hand as they ignore their user base's distaste rather than give them legitimate answers!

AYC is more like a bot than a human, an emotionless drone that just copy and paste responses from its corporate masters.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Richard Wells 12/13/12 3:04 PM
"GOD DAMNIT I WANT MY PORN"
                      -Everyone who is complaining.

In other news, GIMME MY PORN
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? NOPE69 12/13/12 5:16 PM
Hi ayc,

What you said simply is not true.

Query "explicit adult porn ass tits blowjob anal," and the first 5 results are not pornographic at all.

Google isn't my mom. STOP BEING EVIL.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Skardon 12/13/12 7:10 PM
So no reply yet as to why we can't simply turn safesearch off? Even if we are signed-in and confirm all kinds of options? Or maybe they plan on putting that in a suite of features they want to charge for down the line.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Chuck Monroe 12/13/12 9:20 PM
What the HELL GOOGLE? You can't turn safe search off? Did the Conservatives buy this site too?

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? neoweapon 12/13/12 9:30 PM
Well, thanks google, i discovered Bing was actually better for image searches....
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Valkrex 12/13/12 9:51 PM
This is what the FUCKING SAFE SEARCH OPTION WAS FOR YOU IDIOT! I'm sorry, I usually try to be respectful with this kind of thing, but in the last year we have had SOPA, PIPA, CISPA, and ACTA almost shoved down our throats, and now THIS! Seriously, we are free thinking ADULTS who don't need any fucking censorship!


Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Matty69 12/13/12 9:56 PM
Why the hell would you want to have to sign in and confirm all kinds of options just to circumvent censorship? You shouldn't have to authenticate just to avoid censorship. This is one of the fundamental principles embodied by the Bill of Rights. The first amendment to the Constitution admonished "...abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press..." In this context, "abridging" means to "shorten by omission, reduce in scope, deprive, or cut off." This is a universal principle incorporated into our nation's philosophy, regardless of whether you are talking about speech or information. As history has proven, you are in the wrong anytime you abridge the flow of information to the public. Although Google isn't the government, they work in tandem with the government in legal capacities, and they have a massive amount of control over the flow of information in this nation. No U.S. based corporation should be allowed to override these fundamental human rights.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Stath MIA 12/14/12 12:08 AM
Yeah, drop the BS, pal.  Explicit searches no longer result in explicit results.  AT ALL.  Don't believe me?  Try it for yourself. The fact is, you've left us with a choice between moderately censored results and heavily censored results, which is completely unacceptable.  If you want to have your default setting be less explicit, then make it less explicit. More power to you.  But give us back the goddang option to shut it off if we choose to do so.

Honestly people, I've been a loyal Google user for ages, never settling for what I previously believed to be "lesser" search engines.  But if you don't fix this, I swear to god almighty I'll switch to Bing, and so will a lot of other people I imagine.  Mandatory censorship is unacceptable.  Period.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? DavidCreighton70 12/14/12 2:08 AM
yep stop censoring or I will have to use the evil Microsoft product. Actually i am until you decide to stop. cyas.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? DavidCreighton70 12/14/12 2:09 AM
I'm leaving
as well until you stop censoring. bye.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Commend or i report 12/14/12 5:38 AM
that is interestingly not true when i type in mia rose in the butt or mia rose something in her mouth i am given images of some brown girl from youtube singing and she is non nude but more attractive
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? GWizzard 12/14/12 9:06 AM
Yes, a large portion of image search results seem filtered to family safe - G-rated content - regardless of settings. I'd like to know what's going on. Many of the new upgrades/changes are problematic. Too many to mention right now.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? starwars2099 12/14/12 9:29 AM
I fully agree this is total rubbish! It does work fine on non-US sites but for how long? Intent or not, I want to be able to completely switch off filtering, regardless what word I use to search. 

Come on google stop crippling your image search engine! Restore the ability to 110% turn off filtering!
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Disgusted17 12/14/12 11:30 AM
Google are you actually listening?

1. Your managers failed to take a very basic psychological principle into account, one that should have been considered, which is called Reactance. It simply means that when a freedom or perceived freedom is denied to a person, their desire to exercise that freedom is identified and greatly increased. I.e., People want exactly what you deny them. And the response is huge. You are watching that now. 

2. Much more importantly, you have really pissed off the very people, demographically speaking, that made you great in the first place. And you have greatly underestimated your own vulnerability in the market place. These guys, the technically literate group that are speaking out in these comments, have a lot of power as a group. You, on the other hand, have completely lost command of the narrative here, and have given it to technically influential people that are really pissed, and are going to be telling a lot of people very, very negative stories about Google. So for very little effort you have gained millions of dollars worth of negative advertising, word-of-mouth advertising, which is by far the most powerful and longest lasting sort.

If you wanted to self destruct, this would be a great way to start the process.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Patrick Whallon 12/14/12 1:22 PM
i think we need to make a new thread and maybe google will stop ignoring us
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Vidikron 12/14/12 2:44 PM
Was this a nation wide change they rolled out all at once?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Andy Farrington 12/14/12 4:45 PM
I'm only mildly peeved that if I were to ever want to search Google Images for naked people I would have to be a little more specific.  I know words, so I am able to figure out how to not be ambiguous to the Google machine.

The thing that does bother me though is that this change only affects images.google.com, but for some reason images.google.co.uk (and others) are not affected.  Note that images.google.us redirects to www.google.com.  Why has this change been rolled out to only the U.S.?  Is it because the U.S. is overrun by conservative idiots?  If I'm ever in a hurry to see boobs I don't want to have to go to a non-U.S. Google site, and I don't want to be more specific.  I think by typing boobs into a search engine, I have made my intention clear: I want my screen to be filled with pictures of boobs.  It bothers me that Canada sees a sexier and more relevant boobs result than I do.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Ranch99 12/14/12 4:46 PM
Gumby,

Don't waste your time talking to AYC.  He knows nothing and his responses are an embarrassment.

Google has gone over the top this time with a unilaterally arrogant decision that smacks of hubris.  I seriously doubt if they surveyed their user base regarding the Safe Search change, essentially taking away the ability to filter results the way it used to be done.

Even Yahoo lets you select the filtering desired.

Google is firmly in the Microsoft marketing and development quadrant where decisions are made with little or no customer/user feedback and no concern for how customers/users will be affected or will react.

I used to think that Google was a cool company that "got it".  Clearly I was wrong.  I'm going to look at the other search engines and move away from Google. 

This is what happens when a company gets too big, has a big market valuation and becomes too arrogant.

Google, can you spell HP.  They were once the darling of the Valley, but look at them now.  I used to work there when they were great and it's sad to see what HP has become.  I can only hope that you follow in their footsteps as soon as possible so that the playing field is left to better, more innovative companies who actually think about their users and don't fix something that's not broken, just because they think this is best for everyone. 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Vidikron 12/14/12 5:08 PM
Hey, the change seems like it has been rolled back.  I'm seeing the old options now.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Disgusted17 12/14/12 6:00 PM
Nope. image search is exactly the same: sanitized and mandatory. 
No the changed have not been rescinded.
Perhaps in your dreams, but not on the screen.

Drink less Koolaid, more will make you even happier.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Vidikron 12/14/12 6:18 PM
Must be a cache issue or something.  For some reason my tablet is showing the old options again, but my desktop still shows the new options :(
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/14/12 6:22 PM
Vidihron17; Please post a link to your page with the old options. Thanks
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Vidikron 12/14/12 6:30 PM
I'm on my iPad and just going to the standard google.com address.  I was seeing the new options the last couple of days, but suddenly an hour ago I started getting the old options.  This is the base URL when I do a search (minus the actual search string):  http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&safe=off
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/14/12 7:16 PM
It may be that you are being bumped to Canada or something like that. I get the new stuff on those links. I gave them until next weekend to go back then I am dumping everything Google. I hate to lose my gmail account but I am the product that Google markets and I have no problem with that until Google started this stuff. I will be the head of cabbage that gets up and walks out of the store.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Bobathon 12/14/12 8:25 PM
A protective search algorithm can never be perfect, and here is why.  If I type such keywords as "lady fingering", how is Google supposed to know whether or not I mean a Lady playing her guitar, or a lady fingering her you know what?  The truth is they can't.  Only I can know what I mean, and should be able to turn Safesearch on/off as I please.

If I type the keywords "lady fingering" with the new Google safesearch, I get images of a lady playing her guitar.  Even more interestingly, if I type "lady fingering her vagina", I get pictures of a random graphic surgery in process, a pussy cat, a penis, and a bunch of random women pics.  I don't see a single picture of a lady actually fingering her Vagina, as one might expect with such a descriptive result.  The old Google would have shown me just what I typed - a lady fingering her vagina.

Google may not be "censoring" anything, but they are mimicking 1984 by determining what we mean with our search results, like some sort of Newspeak.  If I type "lady fingering" and want pictures of guitars and women, I should be able to turn on moderate search and get just that. If I want a woman fingering her vagina, I should be able to turn safesearch off to change my results to an adult-only search.  Right now, I'm stuck with only women and guitars.  And this is just one small example.

Change it back, Google.  There is no way you can ever create a learning grid that knows what I myself want out of my search.  You are approaching this the wrong way.  If you want to protect children, leave safesearch on by default and make it more difficult to turn it off, like age verification.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? biswas subhendu 12/14/12 8:41 PM

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rekrul 12/14/12 9:34 PM
The issue isn't about searching for images of naked people. The issue is that your search results are being filtered no matter what you do. Say that you're searching for perfectly ordinary images. How do you know that some aren't being incorrectly filtered out? What if you're looking for medical images, but they're filtered out not because they're porn, but just because they're explicit. What keywords do you use to make them magically appear?

People shouldn't have to play guessing games to find what they're looking for. As someone else mentioned, the new search options are like playing an 80s text adventure and trying to figure out what combination of words will get the job done.

Google says we need to be more specific in our search queries. They're lying. Since this change went into effect, I've tried some pretty damn specific search queries and didn't get the results I was looking for. Bing on the other hand, gives me good results, like Google used to.

Your email likely has a spam folder where any messages it thinks are spam are filed. Why are they sent to that folder instead of being automatically and permanently deleted? Because filters make mistakes and it's important that you don't just blindly trust them. If it just deleted the messages, when you failed to get a particular message you could never be sure that your spam filter didn't block it.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? starwars2099 12/14/12 10:39 PM
No way this is a cookie thing as it's the same with 3 different browsers that I try. And again works fine in non-US sites. 

GOOGLE BRING IT BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT DAMMIT
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Disgusted17 12/15/12 1:18 PM
No matter what the reason why Google has done this, the outcome is the same. 
Censorship cannot be denied. 
So why is Google not owning up to what they have done?

I challenge you, Google, to defend this action.

The longer you wait to try to explain this, the more authoritarian you show yourselves to be. Which, as has been pointed out several times in this thread alone, is hypocritical in the extreme.   

Apparently, the only other viable option for people, other than accepting your "benevolent" control, is to use other browsers. Which I have begun to do, and recommend to anyone with more integrity than Google.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Michael Giangeruso 12/15/12 3:42 PM
This is a crying shame.  Is THIS the day that Google becomes an evil corporation?  You already know everything about every one of your users and now seek to alter our search experience?  This is  the most ridiculous thing Google has ever done.  PREACH FREE AND OPEN INTERNET and then FILTER MY SEARCH RESULTS.  LIKE WHAT?  This is NOT INTERNET FREEDOM.  This is censorship and it is wrong.  Google you have overstepped your bounds as a company.  It is not your job to filter my content, it is to SHOW ME WHAT I SEARCH FOR.  Nothing any representative from your company can say can justify this to me.  This is completely against everything that I believe.  Reconsider.  Reconsider. Reconsider Dammit!  Not only do you need to end this content filtering, you need to send out an apology and explanation to all user's Gmail accounts.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Matty69 12/15/12 5:50 PM
On Friday, December 14, 2012 8:25:39 PM UTC-8, Bobathon wrote:
  If you want to protect children, leave safesearch on by default and make it more difficult to turn it off, like age verification.
 
Google isn't the mommy or daddy of any child--that's what parents are for. It shouldn't be more difficult to turn safesearch off, and we sure as hell shouldn't have to jump through age verification hoops just to perform simple searches. Age verification is not the answer we're looking for here.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Disgusted17 12/15/12 6:04 PM
 
Google has joined the evil empire.
Shit.
Just a matter of time I suppose. but still...
shit.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? john fritter 12/15/12 6:35 PM
I'd like to add my voice to those expressing anger at this terrible decision.  If this doesn't change then I might actually consider switching to Bing or something.  It was one thing when you guys decided that we shouldn't be able to find guns with google shopping.  Google shopping kind of sucks anyway so it was just one more reason not to use it.  But I liked images and used it fairly frequently.  And this is not okay.  For now I'll be using a different image search.  Perhaps the inevitable end of the golden age of google has begun.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? doug834 12/15/12 9:17 PM
Why in the hell has Google decided to go down the path of censorship and outright lies by changing SafeSearch this way????  I have been using Google since I started using computers, but now I will have to switch to Bing if Google doesn't fix this horrendous mistake.  I can't believe the gross incompetence involved in such a decision.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? 1st-poogle 12/16/12 4:16 AM
They want porn sites to use/pay Adwords. Its as simple as that. No more "free" traffic for them. And then they tell you its for the public own good to have safe search turned on by default. Ya right... we've been to that movie before (remember product search?).

Bing it pepole.... Google is absolute crap nowadays...
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Disgusted17 12/16/12 7:41 AM
At the end it's always about money. What Google doesn't realize is that this group of people are about freedom of information, all sorts of it. And in the beginning so was Google. A sort of common value and actually some implied trust was there. Now that has been damaged, maybe destroyed. What Google also, obviously, doesn't realize is that the anger is going to be much stronger than the initial attraction. 

This is more than a money game, and THAT is going to be the difference going forward. Google, as big as it is, can be, and likely will be replaced. Look at the large companies of the last century. Most of them disappeared before their respective industries changed, sometimes overnight. This is a great time for someone who is smart to step forward. And they will. There is money to be made in the freedom of information...
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Charlie Sitay 12/16/12 12:25 PM
Google Search engine is no longer a search engine of choice.  Google has decided it should Censor all searches, at the request of the U.S. Government.  Google just lost this User, that's for sure.  I strongly encourage others to stop using a search engine dictated by the government.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Charlie Sitay 12/16/12 12:25 PM
Well said.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Charlie Sitay 12/16/12 12:28 PM
I agree with you.  I do believe it is Censorship.  Time for me to find a different search engine and time to stop using Google Chrome.  
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Charlie Sitay 12/16/12 12:33 PM
I'll be joining you.  Censorship is something Google believes in.  Too bad.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Skardon 12/16/12 1:10 PM
I swtiched to Bing first day I heard about this. Never used chrome but I am going to start looking into another email provider.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? BfJacoblys 12/16/12 1:45 PM
Yep, screw it. I will just use Canada's site until that gets filtered. 

Such bullshit that this happened without any notification =\
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Disgusted17 12/16/12 2:06 PM
Sorry to break the news, but the Canadian, UK, German, Swedish sites are all changed. 
Please check them out and tell me I am mistaken, but I just looked, and got super sanitized images on all of them.

Personally, I think this is a very big deal, one that goes much further than not being to access porn.
If Google does this in such an arbitrary way, think of the implication for information for huge political issues like Arab Spring, or the next US election. Google is a gigantic gatekeeper. You guys know this much better than I.

This does not look good. Not good at all. 
 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Ba Ga 12/16/12 2:38 PM
As was pointed out by someone else (on another board) Bing still has the normal 3 options, No Filtering, Moderate and Strict. I tested it and it worked.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rekrul 12/16/12 3:29 PM

Sorry to break the news, but the Canadian, UK, German, Swedish sites are all changed. 
Please check them out and tell me I am mistaken, but I just looked, and got super sanitized images on all of them.

They still work for me with SafeSearch set to off. I have noticed that adult images seem to now be ranked lower, but searching for;

Claire Dames

Still returns plenty of explicit images on the .CA site.

 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/16/12 3:31 PM
I have given them until this coming weekend to go back. I reminded them that I am the product they sell and I will be the head of cabbage that gets up and walks out of this produce store.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Disgusted17 12/16/12 4:27 PM
Thank you. Yes. I stand corrected. I must have not turned the Safe Search button off.
So far, just the prudish US. 

However I still stand  by my concern about arbitrary information censoring in general. It is an issue of trust, or at least disclosure. If I use a religious search engine I would not expect to find explicit images. There is not a disclosure problem there, just a difference in values. I can live with that. But Google has not disclosed anything. 

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? doug834 12/16/12 4:56 PM
I have already begun experimenting with Bing. I'm not happy giving up some of what I have with Google, and holy hell I never thought Microsoft would be the one to run to for greater freedom and less censorship.  But come on Google, we customers are your bread and butter, so pissing us off is not exactly the smartest thing in the world to do.  I will keep checking for a couple more days to see if this egregious error has been corrected, but if nothing is done I WILL leave Google for search, email, maps, and whatever else they have their grubby little hands on.  This situation is not about porn, it's about telling the people who make money for you what they can and can't do, and that is definitely NOT acceptable.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? starwars2099 12/16/12 5:27 PM
Yea I'm trying Bing now in case non-US google sites go the way of google US. 

It should be noted that non-US google sites DO censor things, just not adult sites. For example all Nazi stuff is censored from google.fr and google.de, but these anti free speech filters are more because of the local laws of France and Germany. What is the excuse of THIS filter? There is none! Search results should be objective, and it wasn't broken. WHY FIX IT? PLEASE RESTORE IT! 
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? starwars2099 12/16/12 6:36 PM
Kobuu: go to google.ca and do the SAME search and compare results. Are they the same?

If so then post the link of your US safesearch OFF google images link
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/16/12 6:43 PM
My birthday is the same and so is Google search. Still censoring my search.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rekrul 12/16/12 7:20 PM

Ok, now check your profiles on Google. Do you have your age listed correctly? That may be their new trigger. I don't know. But I do know that Google has made G+ very mandatory on a lot of things so this could be fallout from that.

People shouldn't have to logon to a profile to use a search engine.
 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Patrick Whallon 12/16/12 7:39 PM
google isnt going to reply anymore. they simply dont care. and of they loose a few users they are fine with that. they changed, plain and simle
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Patrick Whallon 12/16/12 7:41 PM
google stopped replying 5 pages ago. this is shit and they just dont care
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? cntryrck39 12/16/12 7:56 PM
What you say is simply not true!  I type in very detailed query as before and the images that come up are no where near what they used to be or should be.

Can you please elaborate on the reasons behind the change and are they permanent? 

Is there anyway we can sign up for the old "uncensored" version?

Thanks



On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 7:54:08 PM UTC-5, ayc wrote:
Hi guys,

Thanks for reaching out! This change actually doesn’t prevent anyone from getting to the content they want to see. So, if you search for explicit content, you’ll be able to find it -- just make sure your query reflects this intent, and Google will show the most relevant content for the search.

Thanks,
Albert
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? starwars2099 12/16/12 11:24 PM
If google wants to change and keep it that way the least they could do is tell us up front we're censoring and that's final, rather than make up a LIE like "depends on intent"
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? cntryrck39 12/17/12 11:28 AM
It would have been nice to at least have been made aware of it.  I thought my browser was on the blink and was performing all the trouble shooting actions.  Took me quite a while to find this forum, cost me a lot of time.

Was there any sort of notification of these changes at all?  A message on the main search page that the search options/results have changed would save a lot of people a lot of time and unnecessarily tinkering with their browsers and pc's.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? theomni 12/17/12 12:55 PM
I still have some questions that I can't find answered about the new mandatory safe search. As far as I can tell it's now set up so that searches will filter (I know you don't like "censor") images that are tagged Explicit unless the search itself is tagged as Explicit. 

How does an image become tagged as Explicit? What criteria is used? Are there different ranks of Explicit or is it a on/off tag? Is there any way to directly see if an image is tagged as Explicit? How is a search tagged as Explicit? What criteria is used for that? Is it possible for an image that is tagged as Explicit to show up in a search that is not tagged as Explicit if it otherwise has a very high relevance to search?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? bob214315 12/17/12 3:12 PM
Welcome to the Internet of 1996.
Google rose to prominence because it was better than the rest.
It didn't try to be too helpful. It didn't filter. It just gave the most relevant results....ALL OF THEM.

Now Google has reverted to being only as advanced as the other search engines were, circa 1996.
Sixteen years of progress down the drain.
And a clear violation of net neutrality.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Disgusted17 12/17/12 5:59 PM
This is weird. I just did a little experiment. Searched Google US, web search for "tech blogs list" and got a lot of irrelevant entries. Surprised, I did the same search with IE8 and got what I thought I should get, lots of entries, all relevant. 

Is the whole search engine screwy? Am I just making this up because I am so disappointed in Google?

My humble request is that some others out there try the same sort of experiment and let me/others know.

Thank you. 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? achromatic 12/17/12 8:58 PM
The problem with the new system is more clear with the site:<domain>.com search in google images.

For example if I want to see the images on a porn site by going to images.google.com and searching site:<porn domain>.com I get no results because the filter will not permit explicit images to be shown.

However, if I add an explicit term to my image search for site:<porn domain>.com I still get no results because sometimes they images themselves are NOT indexed under explicit keywords, so the search returns nothing due to relevance issues.

Thus, I can never see the images on that site because the site/domain is classified as adult, BUT the images on the site are not indexed with adult keywords. This is most obvious with fetish websites (e.g. latex, leather, bondage, etc. do not seem to be explicit keywords so will not trigger unfiltering of results by intent, and the images on that site are not indexed under explicit keywords like "blowjob" "porn", so a search for those terms will never return images because the images are not considered relevant for those terms).

This is not theoretical, I run a site, where this exact issue has prevented me from finding any of images.

Is there any advice for webmasters of such sites? Will the site:<porn domain>.com image search be exempted from this rule?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? achromatic 12/17/12 9:00 PM
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? loupiote 12/17/12 9:14 PM
note that regarding sites with explicit images being now filtered (i.e. black-listed) on the US google image search, there is another discussion going on in this thread, too, on the Google Webmaster Central forum:

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Michael Giangeruso 12/17/12 9:33 PM
Google: this isn't going away until this is addressed and an explanation is given to all of us.  You have upset a very vocal group of internet users.  I keep receiving replies to this thread to my inbox...many of them.  I normally would unfollow a post that I get so many replies to my inbox, but this is so serious to me that I wont.  I encourage all posters on this thread to not let up and continue the fight.   Every day that passes is another day closer to switching to firefox, bing, and yahoo mail.  Every gmail account holder deserves and emailed explanation of whats going on here.  WE all demand it.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? cntryrck39 12/17/12 10:12 PM
i do not have my "safe search" filter on but the results are still being "filtered".  The relative content has been cut like 90% as well as a bunch of irrelevent content popping up.
Can you at least explain what is going on?  Before the change we where given a good majority of relevant content and for the life of me i cannot understand why you would want to stop providing that for your users.
Why the change???
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? 000Spook000 12/18/12 4:34 AM
Being more explicit assumes the user knows specifics about what they are trying to find.  The no filters setting was useful because it gave a wide variety of results to a potentially vague query.  

For example, I am a fan of the actress Jaime Murray from Warehouse 13.  A tame TV show.

Google 'spartacus blood and sand jaime murray' with the US filters off setting and then the Canadian filters off image search.  Images from the US image search look like a show children can watch.  The Canadian search shows full frontal nudity.  Which results were misleading?

Many foreign films are unrated so an unfiltered image search can be helpful when IMDB and Netflix descriptions are vague.   Google broke the functionality of the unfiltered search because many times vague is all the information the user has on a topic.

On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 7:49:32 PM UTC-8, ayc wrote:
For the time being, you just may need to be more explicit in your query if the algorithms think your terms are potentially ambiguous.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Charlie Sitay 12/18/12 9:33 AM
I think the rationale was a $30 plus million dollar contract with the U.S. Government.  Too convenient to have these changes made AFTER the contract is rewarded to Google over the competitors.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? achromatic 12/18/12 10:05 AM

This change actually doesn’t prevent anyone from getting to the content they want to see.

This is completely untrue unless you are searching for mainstream porn.
 
So, if you search for explicit content, you’ll be able to find it -- just make sure your query reflects this intent, and Google will show the most relevant content for the search.

For mainstream porn, images are often indexed under "explicit" keywords, so searching for explicit words will turn the new filter off and allow the user to see some (albeit still only a subset of what was shown previously) of the images they are searching for.

However, for niche porn, it is virtually impossible to find any images that you want with the new system, The reason is google will NOT index niche porn images under mainstream explicit keywords since the images are not relevant to those mainstream keywords.

BUT the images on the niche porn websites are all classified as explicit, often because the domain itself is classified as explicit, thus google will not allow any of the site's images to be returned in a user query that does not include a triggering explicit keyword.

Therefore you are left with two mutually exclusive filters: 1. Explicitness 2. Relevance

You will never see any niche porn results without including a mainstream explicit keyword (because of the safe search filter), but you will never see any niche porn results when you DO include a mainstream explicit keyword (because google's search relevance because those images, while classified as explicit, are not really relevant to the keywords that google considers explicit).

This is completely ridiculous. Putting aside the overall censorship issue, it is essentially discriminatory against non-mainstream porn. At the very least, google should include non-mainstream porn keywords in their list of words that disable the filter. Really though, they should offer me the ability to turn this nonsense off.

I've had to set my homepage to google.ca (I still like google's web results and I don't want to be switching be search engines) for now.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? arvid21 12/18/12 5:19 PM
I'm in the UK - No matter what search term I use I can't find ANY porn (porn actress names, sex acts, everything). This is fubar.

Plus, searches for non porn often don't show images that were shown before.

Congrats Google, you just killed off a major part of your service. To Bing!
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rekrul 12/18/12 5:28 PM
Just like I predicted, Google has now fucked up all their search pages, no matter what country you're in.

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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? S Black 12/18/12 5:49 PM
The UK version of google now has this STUPID setting as well, why do they keep changing these things without informing their users first. 
 
It now just seems that google's quest to decide what all users see, irrespective of what they are searching for, has gone too far!!
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Lord Inquisitor 12/18/12 5:50 PM
.co.uk & .ie have been censored as well

I dont live in the land of the childern .com so why do I habve to put up with this?

It is my computer, Where is the fecking off switch!!!!! 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Lord Inquisitor 12/18/12 6:00 PM
google.mx does not work its censored as well

all we want is the old off switch!!

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? achromatic 12/18/12 6:04 PM
As does .ca However google.de still seems to be working.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Lord Inquisitor 12/18/12 6:10 PM
.de does not work for me still the taliban mode

they running IP censorship?
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? achromatic 12/18/12 6:17 PM
It looks like they are busy rolling out this change across all google properties - the .co.uk and .ca happened within the last hour or so - so maybe it's just a matter of time. images.google.de still seems to be okay from IP address (San Francisco, CA, USA), but I'm sure it will be switched very soon.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? roboticpressure 12/18/12 6:19 PM
So let me get this straight:

Without warning, discussion, or mention, Google changes the image search to not just be more family friendly, but to be unalterably so. Suddenly Google thinks that the entire internet should be as safe as Disneyland, and is making changes without user input.

Secondarily, let me list the things that I use that Google makes, some of which I pay for:

Google+, Google Drive, Picasa, Google Reader, Google Android Phone, Google Maps, Google Search, Google Calendar, Google Contacts...

In fact, up until now I have been the kind of rabid user who would find a way to use anything Google made. I thought Buzz was alright. 

So now I am left with a difficult moral choice: Google has done two wrongs here, first they have shown they no longer want to deliver to me what is out there, but what they think I want, secondly they did so without announcement and they have so far ignored our repeated demands for response. 

So really if I want to remain true to my ethics I have to return my Galaxy Nexus and get an Iphone (ugh) or an Windows 8 phone (ugh). Thanks Google. 

Oh, by the way, you are acting like a bunch of assholes, just in case you want my frank opinion. 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? achromatic 12/18/12 6:19 PM
Yeah .mx is still working for me as well
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Lord Inquisitor 12/18/12 6:23 PM
mx is being redirected to .com.mx for me happening with others as well
 
have tried 20 + country codes, even obscure ones and all censored, think its IP crap as well
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? achromatic 12/18/12 6:30 PM
Yeah, they're definitely in the middle of rolling this out everywhere so there is some IP detection and redirection going on that is not quite complete for everyone. I expect that in the next day or two this will be rolled out everywhere for everyone.

I really don't want this forced down my throat. I just changed my homepage to google.ca yesterday; I guess I have to change it again now.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Quick Mech 12/18/12 6:33 PM
What?

That is definitely NOT the case for me Albert.

Explicit searches do NOT give explicit results.(And what the hell do you plan on dong about ambiguous searches?)

There is no fucking way to disable the goddamn filter.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Lord Inquisitor 12/18/12 6:34 PM
anyone else notice the searches are slower now as it runs what your allowed to see.

fustrating as even with the xxx tag you get different results by domain.

the IP thing is proof of censorship.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? achromatic 12/18/12 6:39 PM
There is no fucking way to disable the goddamn filter.

Apparently that is the point in rolling out this change.

I'm a fan of google and their products, but I have no idea what they were thinking with this update. If I wanted my results censored, I would move to China.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Buggmeat 12/18/12 6:53 PM
The only way to get explicit results is to include words like porn, nude, etc. Adding these words gives you different results than you would have gotten before having to use those specific words with the new mandatory safe search. Even  an obvious phrase anal sex doesn't get you pictures of anal sex without adding those other words.

Pretend we're in a store looking for cola. Before, if we had asked for a cola it would would provided us with a list of every cola available to choose from. But having to add those very specific words to an already painfully obvious and completely non-ambiguous search cuts out most of those colas and leaves us with just coke or pepsi to choose from. But then I suppose that's what they want?

So while Bing is noticeably slower for me with an image search I will be using them from this point on. I've already deleted Google from my speed dial and replaced it with Bing. I'll be using Bing for regular searches as well, just because.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? starwars2099 12/18/12 7:04 PM
This is truly a dark day in google history. Google was the best because of its purely objective search results. Yes some locales like .de .fr. cn and others were censored but that was due to local laws not because of google. 

THIS change on the other hand is purely google! There is no excuse! Look at one of the BS advice from a google rep: 

If I can give you an advice, try to be as much specific as possible on what you want to see in the images results.

I hope this will help and wish you Happy Searching .

Regards,
Jean

Really? More specific? It doesn't get more specific than "blow job" or "BDSM" yet the results ARE NO LONGER THERE!! Under the old code (which can be found in some google locales) and under bing you get RESULTS. Under the change you get NOTHING! 

I guess all google searches will now have censored results. As mentioned UK and Canada are now done with. So it's Bing or bust!
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Disgusted17 12/18/12 7:14 PM
There is a way. Not the way you are looking for I'm sure but this has always been about money, somehow. 
Google is ultimately a business, and has been shown before, businesses, even whole industries can be forced to stop or change back a policy. for example the large banks (last year I think) were forced to drop extra rates on checking and atm accounts. 

It will take a while, and will have to spread from this group to the general public. But once people understand that they cannot just type in a general word and get useful results, they will begin to use Bing or something else. (Yup Bing is cumbersome and slow. Gag.)

The word Boycott has been suggested on more than one comment in this thread. That is the tool of the consumer, and the internet makes it extremely available.
Tell your friends, tell your clients, make comments to other blogs, use other engines. Nope, don't have to sell your Nexus 7, but for my  part, I am now not going to get one, and I just about ordered one last week.Now... well, there are other options. 

the point is to start spreading the word: "Google search doesn't work right any more..."
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Lister Belfast 12/18/12 7:18 PM
"Just make sure your query reflects this intent" - could you be a bit more specific, I'm not a google engineer.

Adding 'porn' to an obvious porn term gets more results but far fewer than previously and still quite a few non relevant images (porn site visit stats charts?!) than before.
As the sole user of this browser, it would be good to have an option to easily disable this great big firewall you've made. I imagine I won't be using the search as much though.

Google Images was the safest way view adult content as it provided direct links to the image: the shame of it is that more users will use dodgy sites and in turn spread viruses or be co-opted into botnets because of this.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? RSoupy93 12/18/12 7:28 PM
I've been reading about with regulation from google over explicit photos. It is in the person to whom can search whatever they want. Only these filters work if people set them up themselves. There should be a filter for everybody as people can and are allowed to view anything they search, whether if it is explicit images, it is in their own choice to do so. Other search engines allows for a filter to view explicit images if wanted to so google should do the same. They have no filter, medium filter or a high filter filtering adult content.

It seems as though google are regulating explicit images only to show soft explicit images to the audience. Many people are disappointed as they see that google are regulating in a wrong manner only to make a certain audience happy for example: parents, politicians, children etc.

Maybe yes the image-search needs filtered but these filters should only be placed for a person own self to judge whether if they want to turn of the filter or to turn on the filter. There should be an option of no filter, medium level filter or high level filter.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Eugene Montague 12/18/12 8:15 PM
Google are pro-censorship.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? eddie bennett 12/18/12 9:09 PM
im just going to spam FUCK YOU GOOGLE STOP CENSORING MY INTERNET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! until they do something
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Michael Giangeruso 12/18/12 9:13 PM
Yeah good idea...do something to YOU.  Everyone here agrees with you but "fuck you google" and "fucking DIE google" is not the way to get what you want.  Now i want to unfollow this post after three asinine posts in a row.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? titaniumsky 12/18/12 9:25 PM
I think Google is trying to test an algorithm that decides settings based on your searches, but this is a bad update, this is a bad setting to test on
there was no problems with the original setting

if i search "blowjobs" now, I'll get non-explicit results
I would have to search "gay blowjobs" or "straight blowjobs" to get an explicit result, but that reduces what I will find
what if I wanted all kinds of blowjobs? what do I search do I have to append a bunch of words with ORs? the maximum query size won't let me specify enough!

This new update doesn't allow me to search generally for ALL BLOWJOBS

WHAT is even the POINT of this update? why change this? FOR CHANGE SAKE? Why are companies just changing things for change's sake?
If your decision was to make explicit results less appearing then just change the default to strict filtering, WHAT point is there in REMOVING an option? To make things more MINIMALIST? well complete minimalism isn't good either, this is not APPLE we use GOOGLE for OPTIONS.

If companies just do the same thing and make decisions for the consumers, what choices do we get? where is the competition?

This is NOT an UPdate, there is NO IMPROVEMENT.


Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? cntryrck39 12/18/12 10:45 PM
I had a difficult time coming up with the right order/combination of keywords before with some of my searches but now, WOW.  It is like the thought of trying to come up with them is too monumental and a waste of time.
I have been dedicated to google for a long time but unfortunately it does appear they are leaving me no choice but to use an alternative search engine.  I have never even bothered with BING before, but have been on there last couple a days and do find that is has appeal.  Probably the most difficult thing to accept is the total lack of communication.  If they do not put something out soon I am going to UN-affiliate myself with them completely, every way I know how.  I just don't get it, They have the best search engine and are disabling it.  You tell me.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? cntryrck39 12/18/12 10:50 PM
I AGREE, AGREE, AGREE!
WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR "FREEDOM OF CHOICE"?  SO SAD!
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Bernard Goh Teck Yang 12/19/12 2:44 AM
This clearly impeeds our right to search whatever we want. The old options are miles better. I mean, I'm no advocate of porn but I see that Google is taking this too far, Filtered results just tips me over. Google, please don't think you're the only adequate search engine around. I'll gladly switch to Bing. But first, is there anyway for me to lodge an official complaint ? 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Bernard Goh Teck Yang 12/19/12 2:45 AM
Why have my message been deleted ? Is there any official channel I can use to voice up ?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Bernard Goh Teck Yang 12/19/12 2:46 AM
Our rights to are being impeeded. Filtered search results being FORCED upon users. Why, that's unfair and oppressive. Bring back the old filter I say. 
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rekrul 12/19/12 6:30 AM
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:44:09 AM UTC-5, Bernard Goh Teck Yang wrote:
But first, is there anyway for me to lodge an official complaint ? 

Google doesn't provide any way for the general public to contact them over the net. You can try writing an actual letter to their headquarters;

1600 Amphitheatre Parkway
Mountain View, CA 94043

You might be able to find a phone number for them, but it's probably unlisted.


In any case...

They seem to have reverted the changes for the non-US sites. Yesterday I was getting the new options on the .CA site, but today I'm getting the three old options. Let's hope that this is a sign that they're listening and not just a glitch in the change-over.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Jason Clifton 12/19/12 6:37 AM
I think it should be pretty obvious from the numerous replies that this algorithm isn't just not working, but that the entire premise if flawed.  What made google so attractive (notice the past tense) was that I could put an ambiguous search term in and google would return everything somewhat relevant, allowing me to refine my search and figure out what I should be searching for to get the results I want.  

This isn't just about porn, after experimenting with bing for a few days I've decided that bing is probably better for that anyway even before this change.   This ability to refine my searches from broad to narrow based on the results I get is needed more in everyday normal searches than porn.  If i'm looking for porn I know what I'm looking, not necessarily so much when I'm looking for an answer and I don't even know enough about the subject to know how to ask.  

Unfortunately from what I've seen while bing may be good at porn/images it doesn't hold a candle to what google used to be able to do for me in the above situation.  Even more unfortunately neither can google anymore.  It really sucks because we have been spoiled so long and gotten used to being able to find what we are looking for even if we can't describe it.

This natural language thing makes me feel like I'm trying to describe a shape with english instead of math. Math is obviously superior, IE a 3x4 rectangle.  Now we are forced to say a rectangle thats slightly longer than wide but not much and fairly small.  Well that didn't find it how about a rectangle thats slightly longer than wide but not much and medium sized.

Which seems more effective to you. Natural language search engine sounds great, but in reality really sucks.  I could get google to understand what I wanted when I couldn't even describe it to a human.  Unless you think your natural language algorithm is going to be better at understanding language than humans I suggest you rethink
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? V' Annoyed 12/19/12 7:51 AM
Not a big viewer of porn, but when I did I tended to use Google Images because it showed a variety of related images (ie: remember browsing?) and for the safety of having virus filtered content. This facility is gone now (and the security with it). Unless you search for some very specific porn act and then specify 'porn' after it you will get no results at all.

Browsing has been killed off because the search terms have to be so specific; remember this will affect every image search!


Strange, after Google was campaigning for free and open internet against the ITU treaty and now this.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? RSoupy93 12/19/12 2:49 PM
its not just porn, it is also regulating some silly images that you can laugh about e.g some images styled as memes
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Skardon 12/19/12 2:57 PM
Doesn't matter what it is. It's blocking perfectly legal content with no way to remove the block. Censorship. Plain and simple. been using bing since the day this thread was started. haven't been censored once since i'm not using google anymore.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? RSoupy93 12/19/12 3:02 PM
Im with you, it is censorship
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? James Anon 12/20/12 9:13 AM
Google has turned to the darkside, time to change homepages... AND stop using Chrome.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Patrick Whallon 12/20/12 10:25 AM
if we all start talking like this "use bing instead" guy google will have a valid reason to keep its silence never do anything about this. i think what we need to do is get organized, and smart. we need to confront google on many levels and many places. keep making new forums or bringing it up in other google places. if they redirect us back here to this little pen they are keeping us in, we just get out and do it again. stay on track, on topic, and intelligent about out dislike of the change. i look at it like this. google has left us in a kiddie pool by our self, so making waves here wont matter cause google left. we need to go make waves where google is and keep at it till they start giving honest answers...
...thats just my 2cents
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Matthew E 12/20/12 11:06 AM
How can we ever know what you are censoring though? During the switch I saw code for licensed filtration. Are you to seriously deny that this switch (in the US only) wasn't some push by powerful content rights holders? The adult content is just the most visual way to display the censorship, it is clearly much more pervasive than it appears on the surface. I am worried as not only a free internet user but as an American citizen. This is terrifying behavior by a company that previously championed internet freedom. This is something that will hurt your company. Today people just notice "porn" but tomorrow they'll realize your shifting political messages with your algorithms and censoring news sources too, it can't only be in the image search.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Disgusted17 12/20/12 11:42 AM
Right. This is not about porn, not really. Access to sexually explicit material is simply an indicator of a much larger,  much, much more important and pervasive issue. The implications for free elections, regardless of the country, are gigantic. This is a very big deal, but most people are not paying attention to that.
Things have gone terribly wrong here.
I an not trying to be  an alarmist, but this is bad, very bad.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Skardon 12/20/12 12:04 PM
Exactly. this could be the start of something very bad.

So maybe down the line they decide to censor severely racist content. that's not so bad, right? Maybe they start censoring pictures of gore. Pictures of war wounds. Not everyone wants to see that so that's not so bad right? Maybe then people can't find clearly slanderous statements and articles. that's not nice, even illegal in some cases. Would certainly include slanderous things about politicians and popular public figures. these would certainly censor a perhaps overly harsh criticism of office holding politicians.

Do you see where this is going? Its not practical to censor things people find distasteful, because for every little thing there is, a large group of people will find it 'distasteful.' All of it is okay or none of it is.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? djjudasx8 12/20/12 1:44 PM
I can't seem to get "adult content" or shock site images to show up. I am just looking for the picture of "Lemon Party" where the 3 old guys are having sex, and it brings up nothing. The word "Blow Job" doesn't bring up a single picture of a women giving a blow job. Instead all of the search images are coming up are funny pictures and memes. I have the SafeSearch page open, the "Filter Explicit Results" unchecked, I hit SAVE and nothing changes. 

If I hit the word "Porn" in google image a popup box comes up and ask if I want to view content, but under nothing else will it come up.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Disgusted17 12/20/12 1:59 PM
Welcome to the "Brave New World" of Google, where all decisions of what is appropriate information for you have conveniently already been made.
Don't like it? 
Here, have some more Koolaid...
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Disgusted17 12/20/12 3:05 PM
NO. Not accurate. 
Try a comparison, say "erotic anime" with google.ca and bing, or google.co.uk and bing and don't forget to take same search off in all cases.
The results are immediately self evident. 

The above commend from northrupthebandgeek is wrong. 

Additionally, that people are still trying to create the impression that it isn't all that bad is really weird. It only makes sense if they are on the Google payroll or there is some other loyalty at work. 

Again, I invite others to make comparisons and report. I make no claims at technological expertise. 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Michael Giangeruso 12/20/12 3:30 PM
Who just got this email and are PISSED?!

Hi Michael,

Over the past few weeks, you stood with millions from all corners of the world who took action in support of a free and open Internet. Your voice was heard.

Some governments sought to use the recent meeting of the International Telecommunication Union in Dubai to increase censorship and regulation of the Internet. At the conclusion of the meeting last Friday, 89 countries signed the treaty, while 55 countries said they would not sign or that additional review was needed. We stand with the countries that refused to sign, and we stand with you.

We we want to thank you for your actions over the past few weeks. Your voice helped shine a light on a process that would otherwise have been in the dark, and you helped bring the issue of Internet freedom to global prominence.

With your support, we can continue to help ensure that governments alone do not direct the future of the Internet. Thank you.

Until next time,

Vint Cerf
Google

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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/20/12 3:44 PM
and this was my reply - 

Hi; I take it you didn't read the note I posted with my vote. I also stand with millions that think Google shouldn't censor the web and will, this weekend, remove all of Google from my computer if Google doesn't go back to the old 'safe search' buttons. I am one of the products that Google sells and I don't mind that except when I don't get what I want I will take my little cabbage head to another market. Thank you for your note. Harold
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? ayc 12/20/12 3:44 PM
This recent change is just one in a number of search quality improvements we make on an ongoing basis. Our data has shown that this specific change has resulted in more people finding what they were looking for, while significantly reducing the chances of stumbling upon undesired content for potentially ambiguous queries. We continue to use your feedback to tune these signals in order to improve the quality of our results, so do let us know when you believe results could be improved.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/20/12 3:49 PM
I don't know if you efforts are going to do any good but thanks for them anyway. Always good to know more. I stated that this weekend I am dumping Google if things don't change back and as the product being sold I will take my little head of cabbage to another market. Thanks, Harold
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? achromatic 12/20/12 3:52 PM
Could this be come kind of joke/publicity stunt? It seems a little coincidental if that email was just sent out.

If it's permanent, google image search is  worthless - I can't find anything I want with the new "feature". Seriously, how is filtering relevant results helpful? If I knew exactly what I wanted, I would not need a SEARCH engine. I deliberately search vague/one-word terms because I don't know what I want yet, so I being more specific makes it less likely to find what I'm looking for.

If you set your user agent as iphone (or other mobile browser), you can still get the normal search. Hopefully they don't "fix" this workaround.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/20/12 3:52 PM
Hi; I take it you didn't read the note I posted. I also stand with millions that think Google shouldn't censor the web and will, this weekend, remove all of Google from my computer if Google doesn't go back to the old 'safe search' buttons. I am one of the products that Google sells and I don't mind that except when I don't get what I want I will take my little cabbage head to another market. Thank you for your note. Harold
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Skardon 12/20/12 3:53 PM
Feedback: let us turn it off.

Thank You.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? achromatic 12/20/12 3:54 PM


On Thursday, December 20, 2012 3:53:11 PM UTC-8, Skardon wrote:
Feedback: let us turn it off.

Thank You.

Exactly.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Skardon 12/20/12 3:58 PM
FYI guys that submission form is an attempt to get the public disdain out of the public eye. Continue to complain in very public forums.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/20/12 4:00 PM
PLEASE, GUYS; respond to his 'let us know' button. Be civil, nice, and soft spoken. Tell them when you are leaving Google and why.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/20/12 4:08 PM
"Go back to China dude." Insults like this will do no good at all. The man is a native Californican, born and bred. I will agree with the rest of what you said but until you are willing to take your ass back to Europe where it's white trash family lives, well you get the idea. Insult don't help.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Kurtopian 12/20/12 4:10 PM
Yo when I type "Blowjob" I don't get images of Blowjob's. Also when I type "Fucking" I don't get images of people fucking. These words should be more then enough to know what images I wanted to see... Clearly Adult images. Fix it. Also I had my search thing on no filter before the update. I want my "no filter" back as well. Even when I don't want to see just pornagraphic images, it also cuts down on funny adult jokes and images. Example "Bringing Sexy Back" I expected to find a ton of images of either ugly or really fat people dancing or in semi provocative scenes and being stupid but oddly enough their is very few of that. We here all want you to fix it because, we believe the old filter was just fine. We also believe this is censorship and that its not yours nor ours responsibility to watch over other peoples kids when using the internet. That's what parents are for. Also the Internet is mainly for porn, their is other stuff besides porn in the internet but its mainly for porn... I may start trying Bing out to compare vs Google.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/20/12 4:38 PM
Well said!
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Jason Clifton 12/20/12 4:53 PM
"Our data has shown that this specific change has resulted in more people finding what they were looking for, while significantly reducing the chances of stumbling upon undesired content for potentially ambiguous queries."

Really? Considering that the results are no where near relevant now, I find that very hard to believe. 

I think you and by extension google would be better off at this point just shutting up.  We are not stupid, and your responses make it clear that google really doesn't care if we feel the results are relevant or not or use your search engine or not.  Good luck with that attitude in the future.   

Remember that even though the segment of population your currently pissing off is a small one, over the long term we are one of the biggest influences on peoples computing choices.  Everything from what programs are useful, to what search engines to use.  I will no longer be recommending google for anything.  
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Winters 12/20/12 4:58 PM
Your "let us know" link is worthless. The link just takes you to a form to input a search string that brought up "explicit results inappropriate to your search" to quote the page exactly. I honestly believe that was essentially a slight to the community over this extremely large matter.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Ayrell 12/20/12 6:28 PM
Well done google, I must commend you for your arrogance and the lack of respect you have for your users. 

How is it possible that you've not only managed in making every single search return irrelevant data, but you also decided to alter these algorithms without as much as a single peep about the upcoming changes? I have to say I've always been happy using google as an unbiased, efficient search engine, but after this blunder I'm afraid I have to say I no longer trust your services. Rest assured, I will no longer be using google unless this whole mess is fixed, nor will I be recommending others to use google services in the future.

I hope you are pleased with what you've attained.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Disgusted17 12/20/12 6:30 PM
Google know exactly what they are doing and how it would be received. If Google was honorable at all they would have put out a beta and gotten feedback on it before they forced it, secretively on the entire world. 

No they absolute cowards, and they know it. Hence the lack of transparency and lack of communication about it.
This is so outrageous that it has been difficult for a lot of people to actually accept. It is obvious that a lot of  people have, and some still are in denial about it.

But it is real. And so now the question is, for each person, will I allow this in my life? Accept it, Roll over? Bend over?
In the end it is their site, they can do anything they damn well want to do. 
But then, so can I, so can you.


Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Michael Giangeruso 12/20/12 6:38 PM
Even if Google reverses this decision, I am not sure that I can ever trust them again.  This is a violation of everything I believe in and they know exactly what they are doing.  In the meantime, waiting for ANY kind of response from Google, I continue to use their services, but these days are numbered.  Google preaches free and open internet and  then does this?  Totally uncalled for and wrong on so many levels.  Including myself, we all need to be doing more to stop this.  This needs to be made into a story that everyone knows about.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Jared Drass 12/20/12 6:52 PM
This is absolutely ridiculous. Why make it mandatory to censor everything when there is an option already to censor? We have a right to view whatever we may choose on the web censored or not and to take that away is absurd. The "SafeSearch Lock" was an option to censor material for the eyes that wanted such. If a young child is considered too immature to view a specific material that is deemed as "Adult" then the option to censor such material is available. I have been Pro-Google since day one and would go out of my way to use Google instead of search engines like Bing or Yahoo! but after this mess i do not hesitate to say use Bing. You have so highly disappointed me Google and your lack of communication to your own loyal user is utterly ridiculous. 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? emayar 12/20/12 7:11 PM
Yeah, seems a bit hypocritical. 
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? GWizzard 12/20/12 8:02 PM
Chrome is total crap. I only used it for Google image search... because Google image search suddenly, mysteriously, deliberately, became Firefox incompatible. Well now that Google image search is also total crap, I have no further use for Chrome. And might I add this poorly (or cleverly?) scripted Firefox freezing forum is also crap? LOL Buh-byeeeee Goooogle. We're on to your game.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rekrul 12/20/12 8:16 PM

This recent change is just one in a number of search quality improvements we make on an ongoing basis. Our data has shown that this specific change has resulted in more people finding what they were looking for, while significantly reducing the chances of stumbling upon undesired content for potentially ambiguous queries. We continue to use your feedback to tune these signals in order to improve the quality of our results, so do let us know when you believe results could be improved.
 
Nobody believes your bullshit. Give us back the option to turn off the filters!

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/20/12 8:36 PM
 I am thinking about where to go. A friend said to check out 'Opera'. I gave them until Sunday but am thinking nothing is going to happen. If we survive tomorrow (:-) I will check out where I am going, but I am going.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? achromatic 12/20/12 9:22 PM
I agree that we should be civil about this, but this really is a bad precedent. I mean what's next? Searching for Microsoft in Google news and only getting criticism, then being told we have to "make our intent clear" - if we want to get good news, we'll have search "good news Microsoft".
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/20/12 10:07 PM
I have been planning a major overhaul of my computer desk and am going to do it Sunday. By then I will have decided where I am moving to. Email is the big question. But I will leave when I get back on line all Google stuff will be gone. I am hoping against hope that Google will see the error of their ways.  I think we can count on Google going where the money is and I don't think a few of us are worth them changing back. Good Luck, Harold
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/20/12 10:19 PM
I hope you don't mind but I copied your post and saved it for reference on Sat. :-).. I am not very well versed on internet browsers and stuff and rely on advice from my betters. I will be 72 next month and learning comes slower that it did a few decades ago. I have a folder full of advice I have copied so I don't have to try to remember it. I have said and I mean it, that all Google stuff will be gone Sunday, I am not a gamer so speed is not that important to me. I use my old Sony for the heavy lifting and this thing for my fun, Face Book, and Reddit.  I just may go with Opera cause it's cute...
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? 000Spook000 12/21/12 5:27 AM
Google's newest innovation: Creating Bing users!  Maybe Apple's map fiasco was so much publicity Google decided breaking superior tools was worth emulating?

The new searches yield less images and more irrelevant images.  Being explicit might work for porn but it sure is a broken on other movies.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/21/12 6:08 AM
northrupthebandgeek; Yeah, It was you. I have a little trouble typing (Google Dysgraphia) and have to go slow and do a lot of proof reading. A mild case, barely a pain in the butt. I use it as an excuse to leave things out and not answer emails. Speaking of email, That is my big problem. I have shunned all things Yahoo and Hotmail, I have to find a place for that, Too. 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/21/12 6:12 AM
Spook; Yeah, read down this thread a bit and comment if you please. Some us us are leaving Google, I am leaving Sunday if they don.t fix this.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Lord Inquisitor 12/21/12 6:23 AM

newest thing for google seems to be to limit resulys and blank the thumbnails. Even for stuff I know has miles of results, I get a limited amount of thumbnails and they tend to be blanked.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rekrul 12/21/12 8:23 AM
@haroldraby,


Speaking of email, That is my big problem. I have shunned all things Yahoo and Hotmail, I have to find a place for that, Too.

You can get a free email account with;

http://www.mail.com

One of the disadvantages however is that they occasionally send you spam messages. They're clearly marked, but it's still annoying to have the mail provider sending you crap.

To be honest, I never really liked Mail.com all that much, but it's free and as far as I know, has no ties to MS, Google or Yahoo.

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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rekrul 12/21/12 9:14 AM

Then what about the folks who are offended by interracial marriage?  Communism?  Paris Hilton?

Anyone with taste is offended by Paris Hilton. ;)

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Jessica S. 12/21/12 11:04 AM
Hi Lord Inquisitor,

This isn't expected behavior and I haven't heard of any other reports of this in the forum.  Are you using the latest version of your browser and have you tried clearing cache and cookies?  Please let me know.

Thanks,
Jess
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/21/12 11:17 AM
Jessica S. There is nothing new in your msg. What we want to know is are you (Google) going to put the 'safe search' button back the way it was? I have said and I will leave all things Google Sunday if not. Thank you and I hope you will respond. Harold
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/21/12 11:32 AM
Rekrul;  Thanks, I'll give it a look. I do a lot of shopping on line so another sales email or two won't cause me a lot of grief. Harold
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/21/12 11:50 AM
Northrupthebandgeek; Well said, my point exactly. 
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Jessica S. 12/21/12 12:16 PM
Hi Harold,

If you read Lord Inquisitor's message, he's reporting an issue that doesn't have anything to do with the changes to SafeSearch.  It would have been better if he'd started a new thread, but since he didn't, I responded to his message here. 

As for your question that's actually about SafeSearch and not Lord Inquisitor's potential technical issue, the plan is to keep the changes to SafeSearch as they are.  

Thanks,
Jess

Added after posting -- For those who didn't see yesterday's post from Albert, it's below.  Filling out the form for feedback on specific results would significantly help us in improving the quality of the results you're seeking.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Michael Giangeruso 12/21/12 12:24 PM
Jessica, with all due respect this response is an insult to me and everyone in this discussion.  This may be the straw the broke the camels back.  I have already changed my search engines from google to bing on both my phone and computer and now I will be seeking to completely de-google my life.  You are ridiculous and ideologically so different than all of us in this forum that no one even wants to hear your crap!
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/21/12 12:34 PM
Jess; " the plan is to keep the changes to SafeSearch as they are." Well, that about does it. I said I would wait until Sunday to move away and I will. If you (Google) change your mind before then I will stay but once I am gone I won't be coming back. Thank you for your responce, Harold
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Jessica S. 12/21/12 12:56 PM
Hi everyone,

There have been multiple instances of vulgar, racist, and violent comments on this thread.  While everyone is welcome to voice their opinions on this forum, launching malicious attacks against any person on this forum is unacceptable per our posting guidelines.  Even if you don't respect the opinions of others, it's not an excuse to be disrespectful.

Know that if you choose to be abusive towards any other member of this forum, you're putting yourself at risk for being banned.  We don't like doing this and strongly prefer to allow everyone to participate.  

Thank you,
Jess

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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Michael Giangeruso 12/21/12 1:04 PM
Just leave Jessica.  Stop commenting here.  You give us nothing we want to hear.  You offer nothing to this discussion
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rekrul 12/21/12 1:04 PM

As for your question that's actually about SafeSearch and not Lord Inquisitor's potential technical issue, the plan is to keep the changes to SafeSearch as they are.

In other words, Google doesn't care what the users think or want.

How about you post an explanation of why the old method, which allowed users to turn off SafeSearch, wasn't perfectly fine.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rekrul 12/21/12 1:08 PM

There have been multiple instances of vulgar, racist, and violent comments on this thread.  While everyone is welcome to voice their opinions on this forum, launching malicious attacks against any person on this forum is unacceptable per our posting guidelines.  Even if you don't respect the opinions of others, it's not an excuse to be disrespectful.

What do you expect when Google crams an idiotic change like this down people's throats and then refuses to listen to the users?
 
Know that if you choose to be abusive towards any other member of this forum, you're putting yourself at risk for being banned.  We don't like doing this and strongly prefer to allow everyone to participate. 

You prefer to allow everyone to participate, you just don't bother to actually listen to them.

GIVE US BACK THE OPTION TO TURN THE FILTERS OFF!
 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Skardon 12/21/12 1:21 PM
You don't even have enough respect for us to tell us WHY you insist on removing the option to turn safesearch off. I don't agree with what they might be saying be I sure do agree with the frustration. Did you honestly expect this to remain perfectly civil when all you do is completely shut us out and only provide non-answers and further threats of censorship?

Are you so cut off that you think what is happening here is perfectly fine? At least tell me you realize what a huge negative impact all this is but you are just doing your job. PLEASE tell you people aren't so naive to think this change and ones like are genuinely good.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Jeromy Bergstein 12/21/12 1:49 PM
Based on the response that AYC has given followed by the one Jessica S posted about them keeping SafeSearch, I think it couldn't be more obvious how Google feels about all of us, we are all sick perverts in their eyes for daring to question their almighty God-esque authority. You do not have a PhD like Albert Y. C. Chen, you do not work for them do you? Nope!

Don't you see what they are doing? They have basically decided to lock you all (the undesirables) into moderate search, label it an algorithm, and refuse to change it to drive you all away. They obviously see the American base of perverts as the most undesirable problem facing their company, and are doing everything in their power to make you vanish for good. Even if it's not all about pornography to you, and simply about censorship alone, Google does not see it that way. Freedom online? Vint Cerf wishes for everyone else to live by these standards, Google however? Forget about it!

You are a sick person if you want anything other than pure evangelical search results hand picked and chosen by a communist-esque corporation (Google). To them? A word like blowjob or orgy simply should not exist at google.com, and they no longer wish to provide you the results of such! The American perverts are an abomination to them, that's why this change only effects mostly American users who use google.com, the last thing they want is you around any longer. Google is obviously catering to its religious right wing base, it doesn't want users like you who look at pornography to keep using its service! If all of you are to leave, what is it to them? Less than 5% of all their users? They have cleansed your presence once you are history. You will be a purged minority they have always hated in the first place. They will continue to boast these changes are the best changes ever, no matter how much all of you rebel. AYC and Jessica and all their other sock puppets will continue to post about how great their change is, and drown out any complaints you have like you do not exist, as if you are all insignificant flies to them. You are an undesirable and insignificant speck to them to the point they wont even give you the option to turn off the filter if you have account. That says a lot about how much you are worth to them. Nothing! They do not care this topic has 10,000 views, while every other barely makes 25. They do not care that Reddit and most other sites know and have called out their censorship. They are the almighty Google, they will never care what you have to say, what you think or what you believe. They want you all to go to Bing and Duckduckgo. This is basically their plan. They want you to go ASAP and never return. That is why Jessica has slapped you all in the face with such an arrogant reply. I guess they dealt with China for so long, that Google has become worse than China itself when it comes to censorship. lol! Birds of a feather flock together.

And their objective is to drive your flock away, anyone who doesn't want censored evangelical search results for the innocent tender eyes of a 5 year old girl, with absolutely no choice of a filter.

You will not persuade them to do otherwise, their own words. Pretty much means, good riddance to all of you. Nice knowing you all.

Why bother trying this is it. This is what you all get for supporting them in the first place, and they aren't about to care what you have to say. /end
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Michael Giangeruso 12/21/12 1:53 PM
If our demands are not met, I will permanently kill one Google service from my life a day, every day, until they are all gone.  I am already "practicing" life without google.  I am using INTERNET EXPLORER again for the first time in years along with BING.  I literally laughed at Bing when it was introduced and swore I would never use it, but quite frankly the desktop version of bing might be better than Google search anyway.  I am actually liking it very much.  I am also tinkering with Firefox, but I have just never liked the look of it that much.  Maybe I will give Opera a try, but I do not have high expectations for it.  I have already uninstalled google drive, google talk desktop, and google earth off of my computer.  I have replaced Google Drive with Skydrive.  I have unpinned Chrome from my taskbar and deleted the Chrome icon off of my desktop.  I was starting to REALLY like where Android/Samsung phones were going and currently own one, but now in an ironic twist of fate, I will be heading back to Apple when my contract expires if things are not changed.  It seems apples "strict world" all the sudden seems a lot more appealing to me.  Hell...I might even consider a Windows Phone, but that would just be going a little too far I think.  As it is right now, I still have all of my pictures tied up in Picasa, but will be looking for other options.  I talk to a FEW people on Google Talk, but I am willing to let that go.  Gmail and Maps are the only pieces that has me stuck at all at this point.  The more I type here, the more I am ok with being done with Google's services.  I feel better about it already.
 
This change is one thing, but the lack of transparency an unwillingness to provide real answers is another, COMPLETELY UNACCEPTLE THING.  I have been a happy Google user for many years...since the begining.  I have had 'some' privacy concerns with Google, but I have never been pushed to "clean house" like this and rid myself of a company.  Google, you must listen to us, but I am afraid you have done irreperable harm to your image among users that are in the know of what is going on here.  I have been taking note of what others are saying here and have been preparing myself to make a phone call to Google to discuss this with anyone there that will listen.
 
I think I am going to set up a computer with Ubuntu/linux, VLC media player, Firefox/TOR browser, Duck Duck Go and crawl into a hole.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? jmtw000 12/21/12 1:53 PM
So, Google wants to filter out "inappropriate" images whether we want them to or not. I encourage everyone who is unhappy with this policy top go to Google image search and look for something not adult related. Then start reporting benign images as offensive. Maybe we can make filtering more trouble than it's worth for them.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Michael Giangeruso 12/21/12 1:57 PM
Wow, Jeromy.  This is the most incredibly inciteful and intelligent post I have seen yet and you are absolutely 100% correct.  It makes me uneasy about the last post I just made.  Now I don't know what to do or think.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Jason Clifton 12/21/12 2:03 PM
Excellent idea!  Reminds me of the book Little Brother by Cory Doctorow.  In fact this entire censoring situation kind of reminds me of that book
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/21/12 2:14 PM
Dingus; Well said my Brother.
Michael Giangeruso; All Jessica has done is put people down and tell them what they can't say. Fits right in with Google, don't she?   :-)
Rekrul; "How about you post an explanation of why the old method, which allowed users to turn off SafeSearch, wasn't perfectly fine." Yes Jessica, How about this? Please?

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Matthew E 12/21/12 2:21 PM
I think at this course complaining directly to Google does no good. Lets use their new filtration algorithms against them by reporting specific images as offensive to let the world know Google has a specific political agenda.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? achromatic 12/21/12 2:25 PM
Google can easily reverse the changes (if any appreciable number of their customers - Adwords advertisers - chose to pause their campaigns until this was fixed, I can guarantee it would be reversed in hours), but they don't want to be seen as giving in to public pressure. To do so would be an admission that they made a mistake, and they won't do that.

The started the change in other countries (UK, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada), but reversed it very quickly. Likely, this was an automated, pre-timed, roll out of this new filter that was manually halted when they saw the Internet's reaction. Since they were able to stop the roll out early (before many users in those countries noticed), they reversed it. Thus, they made the decision to reverse it in those countries of their accord before users could complain. Because once users in those countries started to complain, they could not reverse it - that would be an admission that they made a mistake.

If this is not true, ask them why, then, they decided to reverse the changes in those countries. If it really is a change for the better, and the roll out was already happening, why did they stop it? Why did they reverse it?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? achromatic 12/21/12 2:29 PM


On Friday, December 21, 2012 2:10:29 PM UTC-8, northrupthebandgeek wrote:
Oh, and don't forget PETA!  All those naked women polluting my screen with filth, but even with SafeSearch at its strictest settings the pure and innocent eyes of children are still afflicted by such smut!


Holy crap. You're right. A search for PETA with "filter explicit results" on, I get more explicit results than if I search for boobs with it off.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? achromatic 12/21/12 3:23 PM
Dingus,

I certainly apologize if I came across as trying to antagonize other posters - that was not my intention.

My point was merely, that I just realized they are not going to change anything, and they are especially not going to change anything if we keep complaining. At best, it is a waste of time to continue to post here, at worst it hurts our chances of them fixing this.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/21/12 4:38 PM
Achromatic; I tend to agree more with you than Dingus on this. All searches on Google are affected by their changes and said changes need to be reset. Jessica called me out for going to other threads and recruiting people over here :-) Hang in there.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Huume Ssio 12/21/12 6:20 PM
You know, the complaining about google safe search in here is very childish. Google took away your porno, boo hoo. Google as a search engine is not intended to be one that constantly lets pornographic imagry slip by. Believe it or not, there are people that exist that do not wish to intentionally or accidently view porn. I had a 10 year long addiction and I am still recovering from the psychological damage it did to me. That was my choosing and I am not blaming anyone for that but myself, but seeing images when I search something non-pornographic is extremely disturbing akin to a former drug addict accidently coming in contact with narcotics.

You don't need google image search to view porn. Their are literally billions of websites on the internet that will let you look at as much unfiltered porn as you like, and guess what -- you can still find it on google! I am very happy with googles attempt to refine their search engine to limit the ammount of porn/inappropriate images that come through because I have done countless searches, on strict AND moderate that let pornography through. Things that children could also potentially search, mind you. Google search is not intended to be an extension of a pornographic website. It is made for the common person to search for things and not have to worry about some embarassing photo or link popping up.

Its not censorship (by the way google has that right). And there are indeed people who do want what google has done. Its about improving a search engine to correctly filter out adult images. Apparently the way they formerly had their engine setup was causing alot of bad images to slip through. Perhaps google will roll out an improved search much like it was. But for now, go somewhere else for porn. Why are you using image search for porn anyway?
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? john fritter 12/21/12 6:52 PM
If you think this is about porn then you're wrong; you've missed the point entirely.  It's about google deciding for us what we can and can't search for.  Safesearch existed before and I had no problem with it being there.  I wouldn't have any problem with it being improved to work more effectively for people who wanted to use it.  What I have a problem with is being forced to use it.  Just like I have a problem with google deciding that I shouldn't be able to find guns for purchase.  I don't like being treated as if I'm a child and google is my parent.

Whether it's censorship is debatable.  Google rose to the top by being the best at figuring out what people want to see.  it's great to search for something and not find a bunch of link farms.  but that's a decision about what is relevant, not what is appropriate.  I don't want google deciding for me what is appropriate, I want to find what is most relevant.  I also, to a lesser extent, don't like it when I search for a technical term with a spelling similar to a common word and google decides for me that my search was misspelled.  At least that is circumventable, though.

But you're absolutely right that we don't need google.  I've been trying Bing and am finding it to be overall a better service.  I never thought I'd be saying that but it's true, and making the switch was easier than most of the other things I do during the day.

It seems really strange to me that google would be as rude and dismissive as it has to the people complaining here, and why they wouldn't implement a way to circumvent this new safesearch, but it's probably for the best.  Diversity is good for everyone and as much as I used to like everything google did, I didn't like the idea of them becoming such all powerful gatekeepers of the internet.  It will be good for everyone if they, like Microsoft, get knocked down a rung or two and have to compete again.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? theomni 12/21/12 6:56 PM
I'm not sure what the point of the form for feedback on specific searches is. If there was an explicit result that was relevant to my search, how could I know? If I was already aware of it I would be less likely to be searching for it. The form doesn't really seem to be for feedback, but more for adjusting the hidden algorithm that determines what is or is not an explicit search. Which is a type of feedback, I suppose, but given the context of this thread and how it was presented calling it a feedback form like that is highly misleading. The feedback that most people participating in this thread want to give is about the overall experience of a mandatory filter, not about specific results (although using examples from specific results can be useful to explain why a mandatory filter is a negative user experience)
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Disgusted17 12/21/12 7:12 PM
Huume Ssio Huume:
this is about the next Arab Spring, the next US Presidential election, 
the next innovation that a large corporation wants to suppress, 
a teenager's term paper, 
and the freedom of all of us to access accurate information,
without which democracy is unavailable. 

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? doug834 12/21/12 7:12 PM
Huume:

I fear you are missing the point entirely.  This issue is not about porn at all, it's about somebody deciding for other people what is best for them.  I applaud your work in overcoming your addiction, but since the web already contains "billions of websites" full of porn as you put it, you and anyone else using the internet are already well aware that the potential to encounter adult content is a fact of life.  Many people don't like a whole range of other ideas or viewpoints, but I cannot and will not advocate telling anyone that they have to jump through extra hoops just to get at what they want simply because I or others might be offended if we encounter something we don't like.

This is absolutely censorship in its most insidious form, and I simply do not support this kind of activity.  Google, of course, is free to take this questionable action, but as a customer I am free to raise my concerns about it and take my business elsewhere.  The bottom line is Google has violated the trust of all its customers by acting as a nanny rather than a service provider, and until they correct this grievous action I WILL NOT use their services.  I'm honestly not sure if I can ever go back to using Google given the wanton disregard they have demonstrated in this instance, but for now they are dead to me pending correction of this appalling decision.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? theomni 12/21/12 7:19 PM
I still have several questions concerning these changes and the mandatory safe search to which I cannot find any answers.

The biggest and most important question is simply What determines that an image is explicit? (I'd also like to know how can you see which images are tagged explicit, are there differing levels of explicit, and more, but those are related followups) This is an incredibly important piece of information that does not seem to be disclosed anywhere. This may not meet the technical definition of censorship but it is Google making a decision to obscure information from view which feels and looks a lot like censorship as most people use the term. 

As an example of how this is dangerous and undesirable we can look to similar situations. Among their other activities, the Motion Picture Association of America rates movies. They review movies before release, assign a rating classification to it based on the content of the film and that rating is used by many to judge a movie's appropriateness and for theaters to determine what they will or will not show and who can watch it. There are many sources that discuss a lot of the inner workings of this process, including the documentary This Film is Not Yet Rated. One of the disturbing things revealed is the lack of objectiveness in these ratings. Homosexual sex scenes are rated harsher than heterosexual sex scenes. Certain sexual activities are considered to be less acceptable than others, often due to their relationship (mostly imagined) to homosexuality. Sex and obscene language is rated significantly worse than violence and hate. This serves to shape the entire movie industry which is a major part of our popular culture.

Without transparency from Google, and without the option to see the unfiltered results to evaluate for ourselves, it is exceedingly difficult to determine what standards Google is employing when they determine content to be explicit, what biases drive those determinations, and what content is being censored from view because of it. 
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Huume Ssio 12/21/12 7:54 PM
BTW I should have added to my original post (I thought of it afterwards but figured it would come up in a response anyway) I do understand the accuracy of some legitimate searches has been compromised due to the changes. That's fine, and I agree that that is also a problem. I do disagree that this is about, 'the next arab spring' or 'the next US presidential election', this seems very conspiratory and speculative at best, alarmist at worst. I don't know how frequently you guys used google search but in my time with it, several terms completely unrelated to anything sexual or inappropriate were turning up undesirable results, which I believe is a worse form of inaccurate searching. Apparently google's search algorythms are just problematic on either side. My main point is alot of the gripes here seem to be about adult content being unsearchable rather than the accuracy of google search. The recurring theme seems to be 'let me turn my filter off!'. I have a serious question, what other reason would you need to turn the filter off but to catch adult content? And I dont mean that rhetorically. I mean I can imagine perhaps other explicit content (death?), but again, there are website resources for that.

Some here would like the freedom to search for adult content ala turning the filter off. I would like freedom to avoid adult content. Prior to this, in some cases I didn't have that freedom and believe me it was just as aggrivating as googles current state is to you now. There is a middle ground and maybe google hasn't hit it yet. But the accusations of censorship akin to something like what happens in communist countries seem to me to be more hyperbole than reality. As far as I know google hasnt filtered CNN or FOX news or any other ideology airing themselves out.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Disgusted17 12/21/12 8:06 PM
Democracy depends on a few critical components:
Information that is accurate and complete enough to make an informed decision
Ability to make a choice without fear of, or from a real threat
An electorate that with functional literacy.

The Google change in the search algorithm calls into question the first component. 
Once that has happened culturally, THEN people really are vulnerable to conspiracy and alarmist manipulations.
 
The whole dynamic is based on trusting the source of information, and a quick review of this thread will show many comments that speak to the damage of that trust.

i am not being alarmist, nor I think this is a conspiracy. I do think it was an extremely poorly thought out decision with potentially far reaching unintended consequences. 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Scardon 12/21/12 8:17 PM
You seem to be under the false assumption that they can't have a 'adult free' safesearch if people can turn the filter off.

This is not the case.

They can easily have the 'smut free' searches you want under moderate and explicit search AS WELL as a option to turn off safesearch completely. they simply aren't allowing it. There is no technical limitation here. Only google removing an option that was freely available before and did not negatively impact the other search modes.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Huume Ssio 12/21/12 8:33 PM
What you say just doesn't line up with what was coming up in google searches prior to this. I mean the search still has problems, but MUCH less problems (aside from the plainly inaccurate search results as being accounted here). Maybe you know something about algorythms I don't, and apparently that google doesn't know either. I don't understand what goes into what comes up in an image search based off of terms used and such so I cant speak to that. But I can say my experience with google on both moderate *and* strict were frustrating at times. By the way strict returned inaccurate results as well, so it was either get very few useful results or risk seeing adult content. So it seems all things considered, google image search just has problems. I'm happy with the change, and i'm happy with google, and I do not believe this is a 'step in the wrong direction that will lead to censorship' because as far as I know google's stated reasons have not been malicious. Accusations are simply speculation. Ide like to believe the comments here are speaking to the inaccuracy of google searches, and I believe some of them truly reflect that, but there are just as many that are simply upset that the adult filter can't be turned off. And they are rightfully seeking alternatives.

By the way I do understand the censorship concern, but I have no reason to mistrust google at this point. They seem to have been clear about why they are doing what they are doing. If you want to distrust them for whatever reason you are free to do so, and im sure I don't have to tell you that. If someday it gets worse, you can all log back on here and give me a big "I told you so". For now, I hope google does correct some of the inaccuracies in results returned from searches.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? john fritter 12/21/12 8:49 PM
Huume, read the title of the thread you're posting in.  This whole thing is about us being upset that google removed the option to turn off safesearch, so most of what you're saying is completely irrelevant to this discussion.  And when you say "They seem to have been clear about why they are doing what they are doing" I could not possibly disagree with you more.

I honestly can't understand how you could think that anyone here would be upset that they improved a feature that we don't want to use.  If they made safesearch work better for people who want to be protected from horrifying images of naked people(but not horrifying images of dismembered corpses), then that's great for those people.  Some of us prefer to see ALL relevant results for a search without a nanny standing by to cover our eyes.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/21/12 8:53 PM
Huume: I won't bother you with more words except to say that these guys are right. It isn't all about porn but about things that are hinted at by the way Google has censored porn. Please read what 'northrupbandgeek', 'John Fritter', 'The Omni', 'Disgusted17', and 'Doug 834' have writen and think of what you would think if you were in their places. Open mind, read, and think. Thanks, Harold.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rick Coffman 12/21/12 9:06 PM
So simply because they both slightly improved safesearch and removed the ability to turn it off you assume they are directly connected? That's silly. Simply disabling the off switch wouldn't improve safesearch.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rekrul 12/21/12 9:10 PM

I also, to a lesser extent, don't like it when I search for a technical term with a spelling similar to a common word and google decides for me that my search was misspelled.

Or when you search for three specific words and Google decides that two of the words don't matter and shows you results with just one of your search words. If I wanted to search just one word, I would have only put one word into the damn search box!
 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? 000Spook000 12/21/12 9:22 PM
The vast majority of the 'foreign' films on Netflix are unrated as they were not major releases in the US.  An image search with the film title used to be useful at catching adult content before it entered my home.  Now movies with adult imagery give results that indicate content children can watch.  Pictures rarely blow the plot unlike reviews and movie comparisons.  If I follow Google's advice and add explicit keywords the result will pull in explicit images unrelated to my search.

All I want is the search to give an accurate reflection of the item searched.  Searches on a children's film shouldn't include adult pictures.  Searches on explicit topics should not contain content for children.  What is now broken is the vast amount of content between those extremes.  


On Friday, December 21, 2012 7:54:02 PM UTC-8, Huume Ssio wrote:
 what other reason would you need to turn the filter off but to catch adult content? 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rekrul 12/21/12 9:27 PM
@Huume Ssio

I don't know how frequently you guys used google search but in my time with it, several terms completely unrelated to anything sexual or inappropriate were turning up undesirable results, which I believe is a worse form of inaccurate searching.

I don't believe anyone should have to look at things that make them uncomfortable. I don't have any personal experience with the old filtering methods as I always turned SafeSearch off so I'll take your word for it that the filters didn't do such a great job at filtering out sexually explicit material and that the new ones seem to be working much better for you.

However, let me ask you this; Why did improving the accuracy of the filters require removing the option to turn them off? Wouldn't it have made more sense to simply improve the filters while leaving the options as they were? People like you who want a filtered search would receive improved moderate filtering, which could be set to strict if you so desired, and others could turn the filter off if they want. You get better filtering and nobody loses any options. Wouldn't that be more logical than forcing filtering on everyone?

The recurring theme seems to be 'let me turn my filter off!'. I have a serious question, what other reason would you need to turn the filter off but to catch adult content?

Because as long as the filter is active, you can never be sure that you're seeing all the results.

Let me ask you this; Would you be comfortable trusting a complete stranger to sort through your mail and decide what is and isn't important? How do you know that he wouldn't throw out a catalog that you've been waiting for? Or he might think that a magazine renewal letter is junk mail.

I want to be able to see all the results rather than just trusting that Google has made the right decision. And just for the record, I do occasionally search for adult images via web image searches. It's quite convenient if you're looking something specific.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/21/12 9:49 PM
Huume; re; your second post. There is no reason Google can't have 'safe search' the way it is now AND have a 'safe search off' option. Having said that let me add that I understand, to some extent, your problem with addiction. I am an old man that is unable to quit smoking. Addictions do not go away, you only stop doing whatever your addiction is. People that don't smoke are not very forgiving of my self inflicted problem as I am not all that forgiving of yours. Please, don't expect me to live my life in a closet because you have to. Forgive me if I needed to say something that you didn't need to hear, Harold  
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? U Gottabekidding 12/21/12 10:48 PM
Jessica - you state:

"the plan is to keep the changes to SafeSearch as they are."

and then:

"We don't like doing this and strongly prefer to allow everyone to participate."

Can I ask why you even care if anyone participates? It looks like Google's infamous arrogance is back in full force, so why should anyone bother participating? You've apparently made up your mind, and no matter how solid or logical the reasoning behind our concerns, you're going to stick your fingers in your ears and go "neener neener neener I can't hear you laaa laaa laaaaaa".

It's a shame, really - improving the algorithm for SafeSearch to be more conservative probably would have been met with universal approval and kudos, had you simply not removed the option to turn it off entirely. It's puzzling why you assume that no user would ever want to live outside your filter bubbles. Regardless, I guess congratulations are in order. I don't think anything Microsoft could have ever done would have made me switch my homepage to Bing, but you got it done.

This isn't just about SafeSearch, either - that's just the last straw. Changes to GMail, unpopular with a rather outspoken number of users, forced on everyone because Google knows better. Changes to Youtube, unpopular with a rather outspoken number of users, forced on everyone because Google knows better. Changes to just about every Google product, sadly focusing on this horrible new look over functionality, forced on everyone because Google knows better.  Cramming Google+ accounts down every new user's throat, whether they want one or not, because Google knows better. And now? Changes to the Google Search algorithms, from the way it shows results to this SafeSearch shenanigans to eliminating common Boolean operators, and too bad if you don't like it because Google knows better.

So, thanks for the years of service, Google. I used to love you, then like you. Now, I simply don't trust you.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? killerk1234 12/21/12 10:54 PM
I agree 100%.

People are from a vast variety of different ideas, beliefs, backgrounds, etc. However, the one thing we do have in common, at least I hope, is that we like having options. 

What this new safe search does is place restrictions on people. 

What google needs to do is give people options of the level they would like to set for themselves. I think most people would agree that trying to censor certain kinds of images from people that were not trying to search for, is a great feature. However, we should be given also the option to choose if we want to set this extra level of safety for our families and our selves.

Google can make this safe search setting set to default when chrome is installed but at the same time, we should be able to turn off this feature if we should desire to turn it off. 

I gotta say google, between this safe search crap and the new image layout, you are making it really easy for me to switch to bing or yahoo.

Please offer people an option to turn off this feature if they should choose too and also allow people to keep older layouts of the image search.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/21/12 11:21 PM
U Gottabekidding AND killerk1234; Hey guys, thanks for joining the fray. Well said, both of you. I have given Google until Sunday to change back but am losing hope that they will. We have tried sweet reason and some have cursed at them but to no avail. Google comes on here to tell us what can't do and what we shouldn't do but that's about all. Good luck. 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? 000Spook000 12/22/12 4:42 AM
Very few people bother with forums so outrage here is unlikely to change things.  If Google loses market share over the long term they will change.  How many people knew the unfiltered setting offered the best results on most topics?  My guess is few ever tested the differences because filtered content is a necessary evil in the office, for example.  It is trivial to open tabs with different search engines so this is just annoying.  

Google's lack of warning or explanation is just bad customer service.  The few posts by Google reps have given tips that do not work.  That may slide on free services but not on stuff they sell.  They want to sell stuff so this lack of communication is troubling.  
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Mogbert Moogle 12/22/12 5:53 AM
From the replies, then this is obviously NOT the best way to do what you are trying to do.

Here is a suggestion for a better way.
Add another option for Explicit Images.
That way, it can default to your censored search, but adults can use your search engine.
Currently, your filter to try and guess whether or not we want explicit images is not working as intended, as a search for "sexy" shows. Apparently, the word "sexy" itself isn't explicit enough to trigger your threshold, which means your threshold is broken.
Don't ask us to try and figure out how to convince your nannybot to allow us to see what we search for, give us the option to TELL you what we are looking for.
And the easiest way of doing that is with an option.
Either that, or roll back this change, it is not working.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? han solo 12/22/12 7:05 AM
i'm having this problem too.  if i search on google.ca for adult images i get adult image hits.  if i search on google.com for adult images i get safe images.  the search settings are not set to "filter explicit content".  where did the slider bar go? 
 
way to open the door for another search engine to take over.  remember VHS vs Betamax?  google = betamax.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Dragon Penis 12/22/12 8:01 AM
I think we should go and report non explicit images till its completely destroyed beyond any help.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Diaboyos 12/22/12 1:16 PM
Google bring back the option to turn off SafeSearch entirely.  If people want to filter their results they should be able to.  Likewise, if people don't want their results filtered they should have the ability to turn the filter off.  This new algorithm is not working.  You can no longer type in a word or two and browse the results.  The search terms now have to be so precise that it takes the fun out of finding new things you hadn't before heard of.  This isn't just about porn but every single thing searched for.  Give us back the ability to turn the filters off!
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/22/12 2:22 PM
Han Solo, Dragon Penis, Diaboyos; Thanks guys for commenting. I am afraid it won't do any good as Google is just to big and the few of us that care aren't enough to stop it. I am going to remove Google from all of my computers tomorrow, I have been planning to rearrange my desk anyway so I will do it all at the same time. You might think about going up thread and reading and up-voting other comments. Get your friends and family in on it. Later. Harold
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Burt Convy 12/22/12 3:11 PM
I don't know where to put this. Here's what I mailed Bing support (I was a Google fanboy. Lesson learned.)

Bing Images has a HUGE chance to capture an audience:

1. You have essentially pre-censorship Google Image Search (folks can opt out of Safesearch on Bing.).

2. You are missing Google Image Search's "Larger Than..." and "Exactly..." filters for images. If you do this, you will get converts--truly--do it.

3. We use Google because we have to. We want you to compete. Give us the ability to opt out of Safesearch and also to filter by image size. This will also entrench you as screens get denser later on, but think about freedom now. A lot of folks want to search images of certain sizes without censorship. If you don't understand that intuitively, you need to resign.

Please do this.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? kmillz95 12/22/12 3:54 PM
Guys please support this petition that I started:

https://www.change.org/petitions/google-incorporated-stop-the-mandatory-censorship-of-search-results
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/22/12 4:08 PM
Dingus; Thank you, saved links and will use it. Harold
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 12/22/12 4:15 PM
Burt Convy and kmillz95; Hey, guys, welcome and prepare yourselves for a life of binging. Google ain't changing back. If you haven't  already done so go back and read stuff and comment and up-vote things, might help. Later, Harold
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? unkerjay 12/23/12 9:30 AM
Here's what I think is meant.  Simple straightforward example.  Search "define:blowjob".  How many different ways are there to interpret the word?

In France, Russia, Philippines, NIgeria, Sweden, Australia, almost ANYWHERE in the world whatever the language, "blowjob" is generally understood
to have one VERY specific meaning.

So, if a search for "blowjob" requires, clarifying to an "unambiguous query", then Google is engaging in what is more commonly known as doublespeak
in polite language, in less polite language, bullshit.

Porn searches likely represent a disproportionate, overwhelming percentage of searches, certainly enough to prompt this change.  It's the more likely
reason for the change.  Rather than just say, "We'd prefer people conducting such searches go somewhere else" likely to offend those who may not
personally conduct such searches but, also believe in a sense of fairness and freedom where Google is nowhere near so inclined, nor are they, as a
business, required to be, they'd rather try to soft sell it.

The reality is more likely if you must search for porn, do it somewhere else.  Let it be someone else's problem.  But, attempting to explain it in such a
way that, only the most forgiving and loyal users would see it as something other than what it is.

Bottom line, you don't care, as long as the end result is a significant decrease in porn related searches.

Why not just be honest about it, Google?

Too concerned about the potential impact on market share?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Disgusted17 12/23/12 10:10 AM
Am using IE8 now, very slow and laggy. Bing image search seems pretty good though. 

I would be very interested in what other people are using, and a comment about why.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? starwars2099 12/23/12 10:45 AM
Bing of course! It actually works pretty well. Sadly, I will still have to go back to google if I need images of specific or large sizes. Hopefully Bing adds that option. 

And as mentioned, google's customer service is truly disgusting with no real replies and jumping around the bushes. They would rather insult the intelligence of their user base rather than give honest replies. And as mentioned, this is a much bigger issue than porn. It is an issue of not giving us objective search results (porn just being the most visible form of that)
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Dana Chilton 12/23/12 7:13 PM
Ridiculous.. please change this policy
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Johnnie Pepper 12/23/12 11:57 PM
Dear Google Guys,
I hate censorship in any form whether political or sexual. As much as disappointed I am in your services such as your Blogger (blogspot.com) and especially your search engine, I'd like you to know that you're not the only search engine. As a matter of fact just right now I used the same adult theme keywords that I used in Google image search in both Yahoo's and Bing's and unlike you I got the most satisfying results, so instead of asking or begging you to give us the option of turning off the SafeSearch I'm going to switch from Google to Yahoo and Bing as my search engines. I hate using your search engine from now on because it makes me feel as if I'm living in places like Iran where censorship is the norm, although as I've heard even in Iran people use VPN and all kinds of filter breakers to get into prohibited sites such as porn sites. I want to feel I'm living in the free world again.
Good-bye Google. You're a big disappointment to me and many others who have trusted you to give us the most accurate web search results.

Thank you,
Johnnie from New York
 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Shawn Jackson 12/24/12 12:20 AM
I see what it is they were trying to do, but I'm with the masses here. I DO NOT want to have to be super specific AND have to click a pop up asking if I really want to see the results EVERY TIME I use the search engine. Obviously I want to see it, or I wouldn't have searched for it. And I don't want SafeSearch on, hence why I went into the settings before and turned it OFF. The old setup was just fine, no need to change it. Very disappointed in Google at this point.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? George Everette 12/24/12 3:38 AM
First the announcement of eliminating iGoogle in 2013, now this IMPOSED CENSORSHIP by the inane changes to Safe Search (the previous choices of "On", "Moderate" and "Off" worked fine) is driving me away from Google for good - and I was one of the early users of Google as my search engine.  I think Google is opening the door to some good 'ol competition by a search engine that does not have all the BS of Bing nor the CENSORSHIP of Google.  Bye-bye Google - maybe when your stock starts dropping you'll pull your head out.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? George Everette 12/24/12 3:46 AM
I echo Harold's sentiment and strategy.  When Google starts losing clicks and their stock starts dropping then they'll pull their head out - but by then we won't care because we will have moved on to engines that DO NOT IMPOSE CENSORSHIP.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Johnnie Pepper 12/24/12 2:37 PM
What a weird answer! What do you mean by "just make sure your query reflects this intent, and Google will show the most relevant content for the search"? How else can people's query reflect their intent other than the actual words, keywords or phrases? That's the most ridiculous reply I've read in my life!!! Maybe, Google can consider becoming a much more powerful search engine by installing a software that can actually read people's minds. How about that? Besides, I don't think that Google is in any position to decide which sites should show up on search results and which should not. I don't think it's any of Google's business. By simply providing the Parental Control link as one of its options it would better stay out of people's lives and leave that decision to grown ups who have kids in their homes. By the way, talking about kids, just to see which subjects and topics Google considers eligible for censorship and recalling what happened recently in Connecticut, that is with people including children who were massacred in a school, I typed in the word "guns" and VOILA my screen opened up with a page filled with lots of photos of different types of rifles and handguns. Of course that doesn't mean that I approve censorship. I'm against censorship in any form but that helped me realize that Google apparently finds sex much more dangerous than violence to our society and to our world today.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? paly94301 12/24/12 6:12 PM
lmao
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Joseph Lanzendorfer 12/24/12 9:39 PM
If people don't want to stumble across unwanted results, they can set their filter to strict or moderate.  This change essentially forces everyone to use moderate search.  Forcing explicit results by being more specific does not produce the same results.  I know because I just compared it to Bing, and Bing is now way better.  This change essentially breaks your search engine for adults searching for adult content, and if it is not fixed, I will be switching over to Bing, and not just for adult content.  At least give the option to turn it off completely if you're and adult logged into your Google account.  This needs to be fixed!
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Filip Attila Molnár 12/24/12 11:15 PM
Cant agree more.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rich Mod 12/25/12 12:04 AM
Thank you guys for this great forum! I just tried Bing for my adult content searches. It's really awesome! It not only doesn't hide explicit pictures but it also provides you with the suggestions to your adult theme keywords in a drop down list format, something that Google only does for G-rated words. I think I can thank Google too because without this last stunt of theirs I probably would not have found this forum and therefore would never have taken the time to explore other search engines such as Bing and instead would have continued to waste my time with my futile adult content searches using Google. I will only use Google "reverse image" search or their "same image" search. As of now I've set Bing to be my default search engine.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Neal Anderson 12/25/12 7:36 PM
Google has been the only search engine for me for 10+ years, now I'm seriously considering using a different one. I'm not necessarily looking for very explicit images, the problem lies with what I or what Google deem explicit. 

I can tell when my searches are being heavily filtered, and this "fix" is really bugging me. Fix it now, or I'm leaving.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? LastCallForGoogle 12/25/12 10:58 PM
If the 'safe search' cencorship of my searches do not change within ONE WEEK, i'm permanently switching to Bing. And i take all my customers, employees and the companies who seek our counsel with me. I was also thinking about recommending the switch to Android phones for our customers, but now i won't. I recommend other IT consultant CEO's and CTO's to do the same. For years i've been irritated by the automatic safesearch on that made me have to turn it off again and again, and now i can't even turn it off..... enough is enough.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? joshuawoodz 12/26/12 7:09 PM
I switched to google YEARS ago when Yahoo changed their search page and added too much crap.  Guess what, see you later Google!  You want to play big brother, I'll find a different browser.  Screw you!
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? joshuawoodz 12/26/12 7:13 PM
People don't like anyone trying to play big brother.  Even with the filter off, the search results are not the same as they used to be.  I switch to google years ago when yahoo changed too much.  Now I will be finding a different search engine.  Too bad too, Google used to be the only one I used.  The saying, if it isn't broke, don't fix it comes to mind.....
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Neal Anderson 12/27/12 12:38 AM
The worst part of all of this is that fact that I still find google to be the best, and it still yields the most results. Yahoo and Bing suck so much, it's unbelievable, they only yield a tenth of what google digs up. 

As of right now, I'm without a search engine.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? john fritter 12/27/12 12:53 AM
Neal, I recommend you try duckduckgo.  I think it's the best for searches.  Bing is great for images and maps though.  Seriously, I was shocked at how much better bing maps is.  The only google products I haven't gotten around to replacing yet are webmail and docs, so if anybody has any suggestions, please let us know.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Jeromy Bergstein 12/27/12 1:45 PM
I have been researching the subject of google censorship and playing around with my browser settings and preferences a whole lot since google decided they should censor the users whenever they please and ignore them like they are insignificant flies, and I stumbled upon this article.

http://www.thepowerbase.com/2012/05/is-google-burying-firefox-with-user-agent-strings/

This article got me thinking, so I started tinkering around with Tor bundle and user agent strings.

What I found out is amazing. Google seems to prefer to censor you if you are using Firefox and a default desktop based geographically in America, but in a lot of other cases they give you the option to turn off safesearch filter right at google.com.

I changed my IP address by grabbing a new identity about 15 times in Tor, and was served up different search results and in some cases the option to turn off the filter was there because it will redirect you to another country of origin automatically.

What's even more interesting is, if you get User Agent Switcher in almost any case if you are not using the default user agent you can turn off the filter with ease. In all cases that it was my own browsers user agent string, this one :

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/17.0

Safesearch filter cannot be turned off. But if you download User Agent Switcher and change it to anything else, even an IPhone you will will then have the option to turn off the filter at google.com.

Personally, I like to use Tor browser and lie to google and tell its browser I am using an android tablet, because then the safesearch filter can be turned off. Why is it that Android tablet users get to have unfiltered results, eh google?

Trying to sell more tablets? I just want you to know not every person is technically illiterate, and can see through your obvious marketing ploy to sell your own devices by giving them preferential treatment. I don't care what ayc or any of you will say either, you're all liars and any response you give is nonsense.

The solution for all my perverted comrades is this, lie to google.com every chance you can get. Tell it that you are using anything but a default firefox browser and you will be served all the results you desire.

If you do this, it will force them to either let us have our way or roll over changes to the tablet users as well, so more complaints and unhappy customers will be generated.

Either way, screw you google. I am lol'ing at you every time I lie to your domain and it ask me to let google locate my android tablet, and it returns an 'unknown' to your server on google's page. That is the future of your company to people like me, we will be unknown to you at all times.


Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Disgusted17 12/27/12 2:50 PM
Jeromy, thank you.

I am not much in regard to technical literacy, but I understand this:
It is the technically literate community  that made Google successful in the beginning. 
It will be same group that both brings Google to its knees, and from which community 
a new, more intelligent browser will be born.

Maybe it will be a community effort.


Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? JoeBosco 12/27/12 5:02 PM
Nothing about this piece of shit safe search works as advertised.  I agree, Bozo the Moderator's lame-ass explanation of why they changed this is just so much placating bullshit, not to mention it's mostly corporate double-speak dictated by some suit with a law degree.  The least they could do is let you turn this off like they claim and then actually turn it the hell off!  Nope, no can do.  I can put the same search words into Bing or Yahoo and see what I expect.  With google safe search turned OFF, I get all Mr. Clean Jeans or Disney bullshit.  I'm 60 years old and if I want to see smut, that's MY damn business. 

I've got a hundred dollar bill that says they pulled this image search filtering shit because of pressure from some special interest group(s) about filtering explicit content by default or some such jive-ass nonsense.  Just like they caved to China about censoring search results and then when it became public that they were helping China censor the web, they got all embarrassed and shit so they suddenly got all highfaluting big-ass defenders of free speech and refused to play.  Apparently it's okay to stonewall China on censorship but not us "free" Americans.  Huh?  Really?  But of course, since it's only the small minority of us who are open minded and actually want to see naked bodies and such, there won't be a big enough outcry to get google off their fat asses long enough to care.

I raised 4 children and have 3 grandchildren so I'm a big believer in keeping kids away from porn but forcing your friggin' morality down everyone's throat to accomplish it ain't happening on my watch, kinda the way the founding fathers felt.  I've uninstalled Chrome, deleted my links to google search and am now jumping back into Microsoft's bed and using Bing.  At least they understand that American still have the right to control our own web experience.  So Larry and Sergey, kiss my fuzzy butt goodbye.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? roboticpressure 12/27/12 6:07 PM
Today I searched "Borderlands 2 walkthrough solo".

Google search result: http://i.imgur.com/7kcdg.png

Bing search result: http://i.imgur.com/yNRK7.png

Please recreate this search on your own. You should find that Google really wants you to watch Youtube videos, the Dailymotion hits are on the second page. 

If I want a website, not a video, I have to get to page 3 on the google search, whereas 2 on the bing search answers my question.

If I keep going on the Google search, I run into another page of all youtube. 

I switched my default search on Chrome. 

I fell out of love with FF many years ago...what are my other options of browser?

Also, and this hurts to ask, but I just got a Nexus.... how are those new Windows 8 phones?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Holy Kitty 12/28/12 12:27 PM
I just noticed. Even with the filter off you can't find much of anything. I just switched to another search engine and now I'm done with Google. If everyone would stop using Google, maybe that will give them a clue. It's pretty pathetic when you can't even find very much under the words "rule 34". I'd say they are BSing us here considering just about everyone knows the meaning of "rule 34" and yet they pull it from the searches. That little option to "report images" gives soccer moms a way to censor the internet.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? john2james 12/28/12 1:32 PM
My guess is that U.S. law enforcement got its hooks into Google's leadership, maybe with the "settlement" of the Canadian pharmacy advertising issue in 2011. So Google must do what federal law-enforcement wants, or its top people could go to prison.

I don't know if this theory is true or not. But it does clearly explain what we've seen -- from the image censorship, to Google's non-answers, to England, Canada, Germany and other countries still having the same Google we used to have.

The U.S. government still talks the rhetoric of freedom, while today it often leads the move toward police-state-everywhere. The important drivers are: (1) big business today seldom needs freedom, since it is the government (Google is an exception, since it has been a major force for freedom); and (2) the huge growth and sheer mass of the U.S. national-security establishment ("An estimated 854,000 people, nearly 1.5 times as many people as live in Washington, D.C., hold top-secret security clearances," July 2010, http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret-america/.)

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Chris Marts 12/28/12 3:42 PM
I agree with Rekrul (lol, all u need to do is remove the 'R' and the 'L' and it will say 'Reku') in the keen points of his/her-- I don't know if ur a guy or girl-- argument. it's not right for google to play "nanny" and remove our rights to see whatever we want to see by changing the safesearch so we have to be more spesific on what we want to look at. I think google is ignoring our rights as web browsing consumers by change the safesearch filter so no one can see adult content unless they are spesificlly added to the search. locking safesearch is fine since it's been in all the versions, but changging the safesearch, so we can't put the safeseach at no filtering, is against our rights as consumers. I beleive that google should change back because I don't want to keep adding what type of adult content I want to see forever, it's ether google changes back or I'll end up not using google again. and for those of u who says that we're not consumers when it comes to the internet, here's a Question, where does a piece of ur internet bill go, uh where? the answer is, to the web broswer u are using(google, msn, yahoo, bing, etc.), their were just over 11 hundred thousand people who use google world wide, that's a lot of people, in May of 2011 so a little piece of inernet bill per user creates an line graph equation that looks like Y=A^X I know the equation is confusing to look at  but the equation is also used for stockexchange, for example if i buy a $1 worth of $.01 stocks and sell them for $.23(this makes the price to buy at $.24) more and then I buy $24 worth of $.01 stocks and sell them for $.23 more and keep going on this pattern, then I would be filthy stinken rich( richer than Bill Gates after my 12th go)-- this equation is shown as Y=24^x--; taking Honors Civics&economics really pays off with this; the components are Y is total profit, A is the small piece of the consumer's internet bill, and X is the amount of consumers. so if money is involed, then the one spending it is a consumer.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Jacob Mung 12/28/12 7:57 PM
Don't be naive...  Safe search functioned just fine before.  In fact, the only thing that has changed is that it's no longer possible to change one's safe search settings without logging in using one's google ID.  Does this do anything to prevent children from accessing questionable material?  Not even a bit.  Does it provide Google with yet another method of linking search queries with a user ID?  You bet your ass it does.

This was not an altruistic move on Google's part.  The purpose of this exercise is ENTIRELY to line Google's pockets.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? cntryrck39 12/29/12 1:03 AM
Since Google and YouTube are joined at the hips(when I sign into my YouTube account it signs me into Google as well and vice verse) this sounds exactly right.

Regardless of any reasons, the bottom line is we are being censored and content is being dictated to us based upon what "Big Brother" wants us to see or know! 

Think about how long Google it has taken to build up it's faithful users =(POWER) and now it is going to exercise this power to DICTATE...
SCARY STUFF

All my life I have watched as we have lost more and more of our personal freedoms.  It is so sad!

I have already switched to BING.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER ALTERNATIVE SEARCH ENGINES TO USE??? 

THANKS!
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Anonymous121212 12/29/12 12:15 PM
Anyone looking for a way to turn off safety search? Well, I found out it's freaking impossible. I found this link that takes you to Google with the safe search off though; you're welcome, enjoy all! 

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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Meester Gumby 12/30/12 6:19 PM
not helpful,  anonymous. stop spamming.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Johnnie Pepper 12/30/12 10:17 PM
I think at this point one of the things that we could use as leverage that may be an effective weapon against Google is to always delete any Google cookies we may have and then disable Google cookies prior to our Google search since Google has always shown its tendency and desire to track our activities on the web through those cookies without any respect to our privacy. I've already tried it and it doesn't matter whether I'm signed in or not or whether I have cookies enabled or disabled I always get the same result which is "Moderate Search is On".
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Laurel Kildare 12/31/12 5:16 AM
ME TOO.  DONE WITH GOOGLE.  BING'S IMAGE SEARCH IS SUPERIOR ANYWAY.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? kamal uddin 1/1/13 2:07 PM
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Joe Halt 1/2/13 9:29 AM
Off to Bing. Google constantly makes decisions that remind me of Apple. "Lets give the consumer what we think they want....not what they actually want." You've all but ruined Youtube since you have acquired it, and now you have screwed up the once best search engine as well. See ya
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? CheezeBaal 1/3/13 1:31 AM
Thanks Google for censoring my search results. That sound you just heard? "Bing" 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? artguylarry 1/3/13 2:30 AM
MORE EXPLICIT in our inquiry?  I tested this theory.  I searched for things I didn't even wanna see, just to see what would happen. My query was so explicit, and filter would find it unreadable.  However I did get results, but results that were PG at best.  Try again petunia.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Douglas Megenity 1/3/13 4:38 AM
Its been almost a month now and the "safe search" filter remains permanently restrictive on the Google search engine within the US.  While this is not necessarily censorship (since we are still able to switch browsers and find what we want), it is a form of social engineering.  Its a step in creeping normalcy that, when fully accepted over time, helps us us forget what it was even like before the change was made.  The customer service reps at Google have their role to play and will never give the true reason behind behind this change, namely that some form of pressure came to bear on the company, either internally or externally, and they capitulated to its demands. Small and incrementally more restrictive changes in our access to whatever we want to see or do in the internet is the way of the future.  The openness of the internet is a passing thing, and the unrestricted nature of access to information will eventually come to an end.  Information is power, and power never remains in the hands of the individual for very long.  So, do what you must, grab what you can while you can, and use the power you do have, that of choosing your programs according to your conscience, to send your message. 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Gopa Gopa 1/3/13 3:17 PM
fuck you google.
altavista here I come!
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Laurel Kildare 1/3/13 3:34 PM
I agree but the f-word is gonna get your post deleted!
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Laurel Kildare 1/3/13 3:37 PM
I did some casual searching for news stories about this, only found one the Huff Post, pretty laissez faire stuff, like, "oh, yawn...they can't search for porn now".  

I looked on CNN and there was NOTHING, but there was a glowing puff piece about Google's CEO & self-driving cars & a bunch of "future looks bright ahead" propaganda, to which I posted a message at the bottom:

I notice there is no mention of internet censorship in this article, which is where we are slowly headed, and Google making Safe Search mandatory is the first major step in that direction.  If you do not like adult entertainment, fine, but that is not the point:  today it is adult websites, tomorrow anything else deemed politically incorrect or undesirable by the IT Thought Police (goodbye Reddit, Tumblr...etc.).  Suddenly new users will be unable to find certain websites, or they will be removed altogether.  The lack of mention of this in the news media makes this example of creeping fascism all the more unsettling.  It amazes me, there isn't even a single word on CNN's website about Google's quietly making Safe Search impossible to turn off - in the U.S.  I read that in most of Europe, the search engine still allows users to adjust the settings.  Apparently people still like to think for themselves there.  Self-driving cars?  Do you even see the perversely ironic symbolism in this idea?  Wake up!
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Disgusted17 1/3/13 4:04 PM
But the R words (revolt, rebel, revolution, uninstall (spelled with a silent r) are all still allowable. At the end of the day, it does not matter why, and all attempts at explaining are meaningless (even though there are none from Google). 

Its about the money. And for Google Chrome, that money is controlled by visits. 

All media, Google included, sell the implied attention of viewers to advertisers. We trade our site visits in exchange for information. That's fair. But the deal is no longer a fair exchange. So if enough people dump Chrome, then Google will be forced into a different course of action. And this particular group, I happen to think, acts as opinion leaders much of the time. What the readers of this forum (in general) say to others has more credibility and influence than the average user. 

It's about money. Money is controlled by views, views are controlled by credibility, credibility is highly influenced by the social communication. It boils down to telling your story to others, over and over and over. Put your story on Youtube, blogs, comments to other blogs, Twitter, Facebook, everything you can think of. 

And yes, I do tell people. That's my story and I am sticking to it. 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Laurel Kildare 1/3/13 4:14 PM
I really do want to dump Google altogether, but they slightly have me:  all the email accounts for my business are gmail accounts.  That's how they getcha.  But I agree, I'm not just going to let this slide.  As I noted, I'm really stunned (even as jaded as I am) by how this just "poof!" happened one day and NO ONE seems to be talking about it:  I'd at least think comedians would be making jokes about it, but not even that!  The shroud of media silence surrounding Google's action is what I find particularly disturbing.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? asd794 1/4/13 1:25 AM
Just tossing this bit of info in case it got missed. There are most likely no legal or censorship reasons to make this change. Why? 

Well one, they already said that you could pass the filter by slapping on an "explicit" term into the search. However, not only is it inconvenient and unnecessary, it's could've been implemented much better. Pulling an idea from earlier in this thread, perhaps something simple like adding "+unfilter" to the results will treat it as unfiltered. But nope, they depend on you phrasing the search in a way that tells google you want uncensored searched.

Secondly, all the other sites don't seem to be affected by this (including google.co.uk). Seems like this change is only a test to try to improve their search engine. Google is already aware of this, the thread is even linked to from the front page. Basically all the negative feedback is compacted into this thread. Now when there are well over 100 people who will go out of their way to tell you this change sucks, shouldn't you revert it? I don't remember exactly when this change happened but it certainly stayed for too long.

Of all the ways to test a change, you force the said change onto possibly your most used section of your site? You could've made it optional, you could've put it onto a less-popular region. But nope, it had to be a mandatory change on the most trafficked region.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? japawegian 1/4/13 1:35 PM
This has been mentioned before but it's worth repeating for Firefox users - you can change your default search engine to get around the US Google Censorship.  Add Google.co.uk to the search bar dropdown by using this addon:

http://mycroft.mozdev.org/google-search-plugins.html

It is super simple to switch between "google.com" for local results and "google.co.uk" for uncensored results. This works for Firefox, I have no idea how to change this in Chrome since I don't use it.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? 600613 570p 83in6 4n 455 1/4/13 5:25 PM
Y'all, no i am not from the south, but "you guys" is not gender neutral, you can avoid all of the BS by setting your home page as http://www.google.co.uk.
 
I hope this helps.
 
 
PS.
Google, stop being controlling jerks, bring back the system to the way it was before in terms of the search filter.
 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? 600613 570p 83in6 4n 455 1/4/13 5:26 PM
Set your home page or your search page to www.google.co.uk
 
DONE!
 
Idiot google workers......
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? 600613 570p 83in6 4n 455 1/4/13 5:33 PM
I just thought of something as a form of protest to this whole "nanny state" or "censoring" BS. Do a search for something innocous such as "kitten", and report enmass all images that are not offensive.... If you overwhelm them with images that are "offensive", which likely has to be checked by a human at one point, hopefully, they will see that the users in the USA are not happy.
 
If they annoy us, should we not annoy them back?
 
This may seem immature, but, to me it seems that there are millions of internet users, and very few of them. Thus an effective means of protest. Just putting it out there.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? starwars2099 1/4/13 7:52 PM
For those that say google.co.uk is the solution, maybe for now but for how long? It's a matter of time before the new "feature" is added there. 

Also, many non-US google sites have censorship in other forms. I know for a fact that China, Canada, Germany, and France all censor to comply with respective local laws.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? 000Spook000 1/5/13 5:27 AM


On Friday, January 4, 2013 7:52:17 PM UTC-8, starwars2099 wrote:
For those that say google.co.uk is the solution, maybe for now but for how long? It's a matter of time before the new "feature" is added there. 

Also, many non-US google sites have censorship in other forms. I know for a fact that China, Canada, Germany, and France all censor to comply with respective local laws.

The US has restrictions, too.

The annoying thing about using google.co.uk, for example, is that Google News then gives you mostly U.K. news if you do other things along with image searches.  The English need to learn to spell in English.  ;)

I have bookmark bar entries for Bing, www.google.ca, and duckduckgo.com.

My WOT (Web of Trust) extension for Chrome shows a symbol rating on Google's thumbnails of images to avoid malicious sites.  It does not do so on Bing's image thumbnails.    That is one reason my default is not Bing- yet.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? starwars2099 1/5/13 6:08 PM
US Google pre forced safe search did not censor anything. 

Google.ca is not a good choice since it does censor. Google UK does not.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? 000Spook000 1/5/13 9:54 PM
On Saturday, January 5, 2013 6:08:22 PM UTC-8, starwars2099 wrote:
US Google pre forced safe search did not censor anything. 

It attempted to filter out child porn.  It would surprise me if there were a legitimate search engine that did not do so even if laws varied country to country on the definition.

Google is not making this change in the US due to a law, though.  Also, their implementation is botched as adding explicit keywords, or finding an accurate keyword, on non-porn actors and actresses is pulling in porn results where the old way rarely resulted in porn. 

All nudity is not porn but the searches now deem it so.

Google spokespeople say to use explicit keywords but that results in porn, and lousy porn results, but that leaves out a lot of mainstream movies and art.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? J Wilburn 1/5/13 10:14 PM
and i quote " don't give the prick the satisfaction" I'm not setting my browser to UK, CA, or anything else, Thanks goggle it's been fun, I'll be over at Bing from now on.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? The Last Baron 1/6/13 7:01 AM
Not only in the U.S. - I am in Kuwait and have this issue, too. Although I can 'adjust the filtering' it reverts back to ON each time I log out or log in from another computer. So, Google:

1. Admit this is stupid. DO it publicly.
2. Enable those of us who are over 18 (easy enough to verify) to LOCK your asinine, stupid, big-brother-esque SAFE SEARCH in the OFF or "NEVER USE" position permanently. 
3. Tell people that this 'feature' which only right wing fringe groups have ever asked for also controls searching in YouTube, where it is also near impossible to ever turn off.
4. Stop fixing issues that are not 'broken' in the first place.
5. COMMUNICATE COMMUNICATE COMMUNICATE and stop hiding. 
6. Stop making lame excuses when you, in plan English, really screw up badly. It is not Google's place to parent. Tell parents who demand such stupid filters to do their jobs properly or not have children in the first place. And do not apply uptight American mores to the rest of the planet. That's just plain stupid and actually immoral.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? The Last Baron 1/6/13 7:07 AM
Google hides. Any company making BILLIONS of dollars in pure profit, as Google does, should be OBLIGATED to have live Help Desk support, not hide behind 'forum' models populated by 'guides' who are actually other Google users and who often know nothing more than we do. This is more right wing fascist thinking, implemented by people like Michelle Bachmann and the likes of the teabaggers. "Oh protect us all from child porn" is really "Oh do the parenting for us, Google, so we can continue to be 'best friends' with our children!" Wake up you right wingnuts: You are parents, it is YOUR JOB, not Google's to screen and control the actions of the offspring you created. If you didn't want them, you should not have had them. Do not punish us by attempting to inflict your narrow views on us and stop trying to be 'best friends' with your children, that's not part of the 'Parent' job description. Google, be ashamed for this cowardly, back-stabbing action. GET RID OF SAFE SEARCH NOW or at least ASK US IF WE WANT IT. Legally, all you would be obliged to do is a verifiable AGE CHECK for those who do not want it. It's as simple as that. You are destroying your own business - but go right ahead, if that's what you really want to do...
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Robert S, 1/6/13 3:10 PM
This is completely unacceptable. I never thought anything could get me to use Bing, but if this change is not reversed soon I can assure you that I will.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Jay Parker 1/7/13 7:36 AM
I agree. I have been with Google for years. When I fix computers I would always put Google as the home page instead of Bing or way back MSN and Yahoo. I have never used Bing but this is forcing me to go to Bing. When Google takes the choice away from me to filter my options or not, but leaves it for other countries like the UK it is a form of censorship. I feel sad that I have to go to Bing. Bye Google!!!
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? omfgitshim 1/9/13 9:30 PM
shut the fuck it 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? The Last Baron 1/10/13 3:08 AM

On Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:30:52 AM UTC+3, omfgitshim wrote:
shut the fuck it 

Kiss yo mama with that mouth? 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? wadrad 1/10/13 11:38 PM
Hi Albert,
 
Hopefully this response won't be flagged as abusive like 20 other messages I saw that were, but that didn't seem abusive.  I oversee help desk support for a living and your answer is the kind of non-descript, customer appeasing answer I'm constantly trying to encourage our help desk folks NOT to give.  Unfortunately it seems to be the common type of answer given by Google support nowadays.
 
You don't really answer anything.  HOW is one supposed to conduct these types of explicit searches?  Give an example of what you consider an "explicit search" with examples of what comes up with certain search phrasing.  Should I include the word "explicit" to better accomplish an explicit search?  Is it possible your programming types are making changes to the search enging you're not even adequately informed of?  That does seem to be the case at times.
 
Until you guys can get your act together, I'll continue to use (as suggested), Google.uk or more likely Bing to more easily find the content I want.  I also discovered today Google still finds words and highlighted phrases outside of whatever I search for in exact quotes.  These types of problems mostly seem to happen when Google tries to read my mind.  Please stop trying to read my mind.
 
Cheers,
Wadrad
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? 000Spook000 1/12/13 5:08 AM
http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/01/11/bing-grows-more-quickly-than-google-in-december-snipping-0-2-of-the-leading-search-engines-market-share/
Microsoft’s search technology, which powers both Bing and Yahoo tools, gained 0.2% aggregate market share in December when compared to its November tally.
On a combined basis, Bing and Yahoo search controlled 28.5% of the U.S. market, according to new data released by comScore. At the same time, Google declined from 67% to 66.7%. The remaining 0.1% that Google shed in the month went to marginal players in the space.
Raw market share percentage numbers are not everything, naturally; Google grew even as it lost total share. This occurred as Bing and Yahoo grew more quickly in the U.S. market, each growing their search queries by 5% on a month over month basis during December.

Coincidence? A blip or a trend?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Disgusted17 1/12/13 6:30 AM
Thank you for the stats.

As with all new behaviors, at first the change may seem accidental or artificial. The trick is to keep it up until the behavior becomes more or less permanent. 
So let's assume it's the beginning of a major trend.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? The Angry Duder 1/13/13 12:38 PM
I noticed this last night.  There is a former professional wrestler named Chyna.  She took many steroids and as a result, her clitoris is much, much larger than the should be.  They look like a miniature penis.  I was describing this to a friend, who couldn't believe what I was telling him.  So, as I've done countless other times - I hopped on google and went to Images. My search query was "chyna clit". 

Much to my chagrin, there were no pictures of her clitoris.  I quickly checked my search settings, to see that my Filtering was "Off", as it has been for years and years.  I couldn't find the "Off, Moderate, Strict" settings anywhere, and only saw the "Filter/Don't filter".  I changed my settings to filter and to not filter, and the results were identical in either case.  Confused, I went to bing and typed in "chyna clit".  Immediately, I was inundated with pictures of her large clitoris. 

I've done some more research and was led to this forum.  Needless to say, I am now changing my home search page to Bing.  I'll check Google periodically, to see if they've reversed this change.  But if not, I intend to do all of my searches on Bing. 

I have had my account for quite a few years, and I've had Safesearch OFF for as long as it's been available.  Suddenly, now, Google thinks they should set my search preference to the equivalent of "Moderate"?  I want my filter OFF entirely, I don't want Google to make me type in absurdly specific queries.  "Boobs" should show me naked boobs - it should not show a bunch of girls in shirts. 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rekrul 1/13/13 6:44 PM

"Boobs" should show me naked boobs - it should not show a bunch of girls in shirts. 

Actually, it would probably be more appropriate if a search for "boobs" returned images of Google's management team.
 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? m snerd 1/16/13 6:00 AM
I switched to Bing this morning, I'm not wasting my time on Google any longer.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? starwars2099 1/17/13 12:42 PM
They STILL haven't reverted back. How very sad. Don't they see that it simply doesn't give you all results for those phrases? It's so painfully obvious when you compare the US google search to a non-US one. 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? fjawodfc 1/18/13 11:49 AM
It's pretty clear that they're not going to fix the problem.  This thread has dwindled to just one post every day or two.  Apparently people are just putting up with it or leaving.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Disgusted17 1/18/13 12:13 PM
The posts have become redundant. The issue is pretty clear.
Options are limited: leave or stay.
Google is not going to either listen or change. They have made their position absolutely clear; "Integrity be damned, freedom of information be damned, We do not need the people in this forum."

If you choose to leave, the question is to what degree. (Google is everywhere.)
There is a leave option that I hope becomes available, which is for someone to create a new, or improve an existing search engine that will be better than Chrome.

I am using Bing all the time now. IMO image search is pretty good. Web search is fair. (Microsoft and Google have a lot in common now.)
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? jmtw000 1/18/13 12:13 PM
There's really no use complaining to Google any longer in this thread. They've totally ignored our valid complaints, and obviously don't care. I see this a lot with Google's products. I switched to Bing. Their image search is much nicer than Google's and they understand that we're adults and should not be treated like children. The only time I use Google image search now is to mark inoffensive images as offensive.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? JensLynIV 1/18/13 7:13 PM
It seems the biggest problem has been ignored so far: false positives.

Perhaps the worst thing about the new SafeSearch behaviour is the inability to get around false positives in a reliable manner. The old SafeSearch could be defeated completely, eliminating the possibility of false positives if one could accept the risk of NSFW results. With the 'off' setting removed, in some cases there will be no way for the search query to be made 'explicit' without also becoming irrelevant to the search being attempted.

Equally worrying is the fact that the above problem will tend to be invisible. The same inability to disable filtering for 'non-explicit' searches will make it impossible to compare filtered and non-filtered results against each other for the purpose of identifying false positives. While false negatives will tend to stand out like a sore thumb and can be reported manually, false positives will not be immediately obvious except when the number of search results is suspiciously low, so in many cases it will be impossible to even detect the problem.

Finally, the exact nature of the 'magic' words or phrases that the search engine considers 'explicit' enough to disable the default filter is shrouded in mystery. The directions given by Google employees are extremely vague. Of course, even an exhaustive list of word/phrases to defeat the filter would not solve the problems mentioned above.

Since rampant profanity might get me in trouble, I will not state my opinion on Google's official response (or lack thereof) to the specific and valid concerns mentioned in this thread.

In summary:
  • If the search is not 'explicit', but the results still filtered because of false positives, nothing can be done to correct it.
  • False positives will generally go unnoticed, making the problem invisible.
  • The way to best perform unfiltered searches is very poorly documented.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Shaker6 1/18/13 7:38 PM
I guess google has bought into the Obama control everything.  Well good bye Google.  I am going to log off and kill off all google links. there are other web browsers!!!!!!!
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? JensLynIV 1/18/13 8:22 PM
You're right, the issue was raised on page 5, and possibly elsewhere - I'm not going to read the whole thread again. I'd edit my post, but I'm only allowed to delete it...
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Brian Conrad 1/19/13 5:14 AM
There seems to be NO way to turn off safe search.  I will use yahoo search from now on.  Thanks for nothing google.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Marc y 1/19/13 7:50 AM
This is ridiculous. As many others have said, you can't get more specific than searching for a specific term like "blowjob", and you still won't get any relevant results. What was wrong with the previous safe search? You already have Google for kids, why do you need to enforce safe search on everyone? Isn't having a Google account and verifying you're 18+ enough? Better off implementing some real parental controls. We don't need nannies. Please fix this!
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rekrul 1/19/13 11:18 AM

Chrome isn't the search engine, Google is (for reference, I'm still using Chrome, but with DuckDuckGo as my default search engine).  Thus, Chrome isn't the problem.  Google is.  I'm sorry if that sounds nit-picky, but if we're going to make a strong case as to why one shouldn't use Google's search engine, we can't be mixing up the terms "web browser" and "search engine", lest our arguments be dismissed as "they're clueless internet users and they don't know what they're talking about".

Sadly, most users today don't see any distinction between the browser and the web sites that they visit. To them, the browser IS their email, or their search. :(
 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? achromatic 1/19/13 12:45 PM
I just noticed this morning that the safesearch settings have been extended to the web search as well (not just image search) in the US. There is no longer an option to turn safe search off for either web or image search.

See screenshots below. Note that Google UK still has the option to turn off safe search, but google.com (from US IP address) does not. This is for WEB SEARCH now, not just image search. Does anyone else now see this nonsense for web search as well?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? hlaode 1/19/13 7:19 PM
I am having the exact same problem as described in the first post.  I found this thread while trying to find a way to disable the hidden safesearch setting because it did prevent me from finding what I was looking for.  Almost resorted to using bing.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? hobomojo 1/19/13 7:44 PM
What the hell is going on now?  perma-safe was turned back off in Australia a few weeks ago, but today it's back on!!!

I can't turn off safe search - what I want is now disregarded.

By all means choose a strict default, go ahead and annoy me by making me go to a separate page to turn off filtering, but don't take options away from me...!

If I search for "blowjob" I WANT TO SEE BLOWJOBS.

Being worried about people finding something is a red herring if we already had to disable safe search to see them anyway.  People who've turned off safe search and typed "blowjob" into the search bare are NOT going to get annoyed when the see actual blowjobs.
However, we are going to get very annoyed if on the most permissive setting we DON'T see blowjobs. 

As of right now I've changed this default browser search to Bing.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? hobomojo 1/19/13 7:45 PM
BTW, some nutcase has been reporting all the posts on the first page as abuse, even though they aren't.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? HerpnDerp 1/20/13 2:34 AM
Are they trying to sabotage themselves? I've been using Bing for searching since they did this. If it weren't for my gmail being my main email, I wouldn't even have to visit the site anymore. Working on changing that too. 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? 000Spook000 1/20/13 4:36 AM


On Saturday, January 19, 2013 9:01:44 PM UTC-8, northrupthebandgeek wrote:
Also, that is confirmed: google.com.au is now subject to the censorship-prone settings options as well as the US site. 
 
Google.com.au can still be set to unfiltered but the default is moderate.

The US site still has crippled settings.  I tested each with the query "Bambi Woods" and Australia displayed images of the Debbie Does Dallas star while the US site had a few scenes with her along with Disney's Bambi and photos of baby deer...
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? pjergo 1/20/13 9:48 AM
Same problem here. I just move to yahoo as my search engine.

BUT i have noticed that if u use an old versións of you browser in google.com we still have 3 safe-search options and it can de truly setup as "off" 
What the..? Its relevant for this issue if we use, for example, IE 9 or 7????? Is this a back hole in the google interface? :-D
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? achromatic 1/20/13 12:33 PM

They are filtering by user agent for sure. On my iPhone I still have the old three option system. For awhile I had set my user agent in Firefox to iPhone in order to get the old system, but I have recently decided to stop doing that because I don't want to support Google. I currently use Bing as my default and will only use Google if I can't find what I'm looking for with Bing. But, if you want to use Google, set your UA to a mobile browser, and you will get the uncensored results.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? 000Spook000 1/20/13 8:06 PM
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/user-agent-switcher-for-c/djflhoibgkdhkhhcedjiklpkjnoahfmg/related?hl=en-US

That works for Chrome but it is easier to use Bing or non-US Google sites.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? E&H-Isenberg 1/23/13 5:16 PM
1) I agree that results are still being censored with SafeSearch off. I've tried with actresses who have many semi-nude images on-line (not just at porn sites) and they don't appear. 

2) The total number of results are far fewer than before. Searches that used to return 15 pages of results now return 5.

3) PLEASE don't interject politics into this discussion.

4) If you are going to violate #3 above at least be accurate. Historically and currently, Democrats want less censorship, while Republicans want more. If you amosolutely must discuss politics at least try to do so while staying within the realm of history, science, facts, etc.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? E&H-Isenberg 1/23/13 5:21 PM
Sorry for the politics. This is my first time posting to this forum, and I thought by replying to a specific person's post it would appear right under that post. Unfortunately it appears at the very end, so as far as readers can tell my plitical statement was out of the blue. Unless you are the person who made the comment about Obama wanting to control everything, everyone else just ignore item 4 in the previous message.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haroldraby 1/23/13 6:07 PM
E&H-Isenberg;   I also wonder sometimes if these people don't fact check anything or if they work for Faux news :-). This whole censer thing has a lot of us leaving Google. I read somewhere that it may have something to do with a large contract with someone I never heard of. There has not been enough of us leaving to make Google change it's mind.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Burt Convy 1/24/13 9:49 PM
Hi Rekrul,

Here's a demonstration of the problem mandatory Safe Search causes. Will you please try to help me work around it?

This is mainly a problem for people who aren't seeking especially explicit content, people looking for images from models, photographers, and celebrity photoshoots, especially in larger sizes. A huge swath of content is missing with mandatory Safe Search--all the stuff in the gray area between the two extremes.

I used Google.com with mandatory Safe Search versus Google.com.au with Safe Search off (works at the time of writing).

The query: I want to find pictures of model Melissa Clarke on bruice-juice.com that are bigger than 6MP (remember to select this in the search tools), big enough for wallpapers on a 2560px screen. The query is: site:bruce-juice.com intext:"Melissa Clarke"

Google.com, 24 results

Google.com.au, 81 results

The query site:bruce-juice.com intext:"Melissa Clarke" topless returns zero results, so it's not as though I can just do two queries and achieve the same result. There is a lot of content missing now.

How would I retrieve these 81 results using Google.com with mandatory Safe Search?

Thank you.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Burt Convy 1/24/13 9:57 PM
I meant to direct this to AYC. Google Groups is nearly unuseable for me. Sorry about misplacing this.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? starwars2099 1/24/13 11:46 PM
I would LOVE to see the answer to Burt's question.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Anna Mária Nagy 1/24/13 11:55 PM
Kina Girls Jelölted Szerelem 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? funktasmic 1/25/13 5:51 PM
These nazi scumbags have now enabled censorship on every version of google in the world. Im changing my default search engine to Bing.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Disgusted17 1/25/13 6:53 PM
Been using Bing for a couple of weeks. It's slow, laggy.
Image search is pretty good, but general results are just ok, but at least uncensored. 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Marcus Heinmaa 1/25/13 7:58 PM
Polemics aside, I'm kind of irritated too for the same reason. SafeSearch does flag a lot of non-sexual, relevant content, and without the ability to turn it off, searching is simply gonna be less effective. I've read the official line on the change, but the fact remains that you cannot opt in to totally unfiltered search like you could before. If this was just about searching for pornography, that'd be different - but non-porn searches are feeling the pinch too hardly a step toward giving us the kind of content we want to see.

Then again, when's the last time any major internet service REALLY paid attention to non-positive feedback?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Shawn Jackson 1/25/13 8:20 PM
The biggest problem with our complaints is that, with exceptions, we don't pay anything for most of Google's services, and it is clear we get what we pay for. If people were to be charged for their services, they would likely listen more, as closed accounts mean a direct loss of profit. We leave, there isn't as much of a loss to them, because more will always come. Google is free, and they are free to do with it as they will, while we are free to stop using it. That is apparently all there is to say on the matter.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Shawn Jackson 1/25/13 8:20 PM
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rekrul 1/25/13 8:59 PM

We leave, there isn't as much of a loss to them, because more will always come.

Especially since all the web browser makers include Google  as the default search engine right on the toolbar. :(

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? joao g 1/26/13 5:07 AM
Might be true, but their income comes precisely because they are the most used search tool. If everyone stopped using google, they wouldn't have any profit anyway. We are always the target audience
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? geekboy 1/26/13 11:48 AM
As of five minutes ago, google.co.uk no longer seems to have a SafeSearch that can be disabled.

I had been using images.google.ca, but they have also crippled that one as well.

Apparently they are intent on pushing it out worldwide.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Mister Travis 1/26/13 2:15 PM
@joao: Au contraire, my friend. While that may have been true in the past, these days very little of Google's money comes from its search engine. Most of its income comes from advertising (you know, the obnoxious ones you see on every website that use the ad tracker cookies they install on your system without your permission) and Android device sales. Google could shut its search service down today and be no worse for wear.

Fact of the matter is, it's changed and there's nothing we can do to have it changed back. This is what happens when a business realizes that one of its services has become auxiliary to its cash flow. They either ignore it or change it to the point where no one wants to use it anymore, at which point they quietly drop it from the billing without anyone noticing. Everyone can switch to Bing today and not one **** will be given at Google.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Jnk. 1/26/13 2:37 PM
Go to your Search Settings, then disable SafeSearch, now open the old style image search:
https://www.google.com/search?q=test+search&num=10&hl=en&sout=1&site=imghp&tbm=isch&biw=1635&bih=909&gs_l=img.3..0l10.1901.2774.0.2989.7.7.0.0.0.0.191.778.1j5.6.0...0.0...1ac.1.p2NNOhahOY8&oq=test+search

Moderate SafeSearch is on

Google caught itself lying. Nice.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? msidpk 1/26/13 2:42 PM
Why? This is just bull. Censorship.

I am switching to Bing.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Lucian_ 1/26/13 8:21 PM
Google.co.uk and google.com.au are now also gone. No matter what you do you can turn off moderate safe search

Now only google.de works for me. After that I'm switching to bing.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Mark Chase 1/26/13 9:07 PM
Oh? Google is free? This change is an easily wiped away tear?

Why don't you tell that to the hordes of people who now use google android devices and have google as the default search provider on their home screen, which cannot be removed.

Tell me how to get rid of the google search bar at the top of my Nexus 7 because I am unhappy with this so-called upgrade (which is a reduction in capability and efficiency) and replace it with a bing bar or a yahoo bar that doesn't have safe search mandatory aka Nickolodeon search even though I'm an adult.

If this were years ago and we were all just visiting google.com on our PC's with no money invested, that'd be another story.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? john2james 1/26/13 10:46 PM
Look at what could happen if Google gets away with this without public protest. All mainstream search (at least) could become politically filtered and colored, without that tampering being obvious. If there are millions of results, casual users won't notice if a certain 1% isn't there any more. They won't see the agenda behind it.

Government eCensorship is here. In August 2012 Apple banned an app from the iPhone store showing map locations where drone strikes occur -- using only public information, and no pictures of drone attack results. Apple offered a confused series of reasons -- none of them the real one, which clearly is government pressure, or Apple's fear of government retaliation. See http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/30/apple-rejects-app-tracking-drone-strikes/  and http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/13/dennis-kucinich-apple-drone-app_n_2124230.html.

We can use this discussion to communicate with Google -- 205 authors and 525 posts as of yesterday, almost all opposed to Google's new censorship. But our posts are buried in this product forum where few will find them unless they know where to look. This forum is not a public protest.

We could start addressing the wider public by using a #gCensorship tag (or #gcensorship  it's the same). I first tweeted this tag an hour ago. Retweet it, or write your own. Include a link in your tweets, to bring people more information about what's going on.

John
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Jnk. 1/26/13 11:53 PM
Google.de with SafeSearch OFF:
http://i.imgur.com/J49tQD3.jpg

Google.de with SafeSearch Moderate:
http://i.imgur.com/GTyBauo.jpg

Google.com with SafeSearch with option Filter explicit results OFF:
http://i.imgur.com/neM84oq.jpg

Please, don't be evil Google.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? starwars2099 1/27/13 12:58 AM
It looks like this is it. Most non-US sites have the "new" options as well. 

What have you done google? You had something good and objective. Now this? 

At the very least google should stop lying and tell us upfront what is going on.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Mark Chase 1/27/13 2:09 AM
Apparently the powers that be feel that the availability of adult content was too detrimental to society.

Or perhaps the reduction in profits on it due to google search.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Julian Lee 1/27/13 7:01 AM
i did not use the internet to search what people want. i search for what i want. google that's a really piss poor excuse and reasoning.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? craigcrawford1988 1/27/13 7:07 AM
Google has turned into a fucking net nanny. You're making it harder to find what we're after.

Change it back! I've already switched from Chrome to Firefox for this outrage, and cannot wait for Ubuntu for Phones so I can rid my phone of the [now] shitty Android.

Plus the whole attempting to force me to set up a Google+ Account or change my YouTube username to my real name is outrageous.

Where has the Google I used to know and love gone?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? roboticpressure 1/27/13 9:03 AM
Oh man talk about a mid life crisis!

I am now using Firefox (again, after something like 4 years), and...and Bing.

I am using Bing. It is like I am telling my parents I am a homosexual in New Jersey, 1962. Not to pick on New Jersey.

The problem I am having now is what do about my fancy google phone, my gmail - the rest of the google services I use...like drive...some of which I directly pay for.

I have read the argument that "search is not gmail" and so forth, but I disagree.

I cannot support a company that is so arrogant as to think it can dictate the content of the web. And that is exactly what this is - it is not "censorship" in the run of the mill sense - but it is hiding information, and more importantly, Google has chosen to show the user what Google wants the web to be, NOT what the web is. I want an internet that is reflective of human consciousness - not reflective of Disney sexual attitudes.

Finally and I do mean this seriously - if Google has decided what is appropriate in regards to human sexuality (and done so without fanfare or user input) what else have they already decided, or will decide in the future?

Basically what I am arguing is that Google is now an enemy of the free internet. As bad as facebook. Cancer. And it needs to be destroyed. Sorry to sound hyperbolic, but I do believe this is a serious issue.

Google has decided it can dictate the content of the internet, and will use their influence to change our conception of the net and what it is and what it is for. Why is this OK?

Google must change their policy of not allowing unrestricted searches, or Google must die.

Remember when AOL wanted to BE the internet, and then everyone figured out they were  getting scammed, and then AOL became a ghostly shell of their former selves, overnight?

Yeah so do I.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Disgusted17 1/27/13 9:50 AM
Yep, weird. The Dark Side (Microsoft) has become acceptably gray in comparison to the new standard of darkness set by Google. 
Several people on this forum have mentioned their multiple connections and uses of various Google services and products. I think the way forward is similar to the way Apartied was brought down in South Africa years ago, one step at a time until a tidal wave of pressure brought down the old regime.

Disengage as quickly and as drastically as one's tolerance (and finances) will allow.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? a roberts 1/27/13 9:50 AM
Yeah, thanks for reaching out and thanks Google for your search quality improvements - good to know you're looking out for us. Twats
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? craigcrawford1988 1/27/13 9:55 AM
One way I have found of getting around this though, is to append exactly what you're looking for onto the end.

So if you're looking for boobs which are porn, then search for boobs porn, rather than boobs.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? achromatic 1/27/13 10:33 AM
Retweeted and posted on FB. Hopefully others will follow suit.

On Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:46:56 PM UTC-8, john2james wrote:
...start addressing the wider public by using a #gCensorship tag (or #gcensorship  it's the same). I first tweeted this tag an hour ago. Retweet it

John
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? craigcrawford1988 1/27/13 10:40 AM
Done, and DONE.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Carl Jennings 1/27/13 11:21 AM
Guess i'm switching to Bing until you reverse this.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Ante R 1/27/13 6:16 PM
DuckDuckGo is my new favourite search engine. ♥
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Hadi Alamri 1/28/13 6:52 AM
I really hate google for doing this, I've been using "google search" for 7 years now. But this stupid and really annoying decision made me decide to leave "google search". I've just changed my default search provider to Bing. 
F*** you "google search"
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Disgusted17 1/28/13 7:32 AM
Yes. Start sharing this forum. 
Spread the word. 
That is the only real tool available.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? whalen_tim 1/28/13 3:47 PM


On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 1:50:58 AM UTC-6, Rekrul wrote:
I know most people don't want porn turning up in common searches, but there are times that I WANT to search for adult images.

Now, even when the Safe Search option is set to show the most relevant results, no adult images show up in the results! Nothing!

Try searching for something that can't possibly be misunderstood, like the word "blowjob" and all you get are humorous images.

I guess Google has decided that we all need a nanny to look after us on the net?

What is Google's obsession with deciding what we're allowed to see? For years they've been hiding "similar" search results, now they're hiding results that they don't approve of? What the hell??? Who appointed Google the net's censor?

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Poor Audiophile 1/28/13 7:48 PM
Dear Google,

The SafeSearch forum is now locked and no more posts can go on that forum.  Folks were getting very frustrated due to the lack of response on helping debug why so many people were unable to activate safe search successfully. Part of the frustration from the end users is two-fold:

  1. They know they have a problem, but they need to have their energy channeled--what steps do they need to take to debug this, etc. and 
  2. The lack of any updates and substantive responses
If the purpose of the forums is to get interaction and feedback, then please help the end users by giving them some guidance on what they should be doing to diagnose their problems so that they can help the engineers and secondly give them some positive reinforcement and updates.  Ultimately, I'd hope that we are all here for a common purpose to use the tools and services effectively.  If users feel like they've been abandoned and the flow of communication ceases, then that doesn't help anyone. 

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Jonathon Davies 1/29/13 3:04 AM
Frankly, I find Google's new censorship policy absolutely disgusting. It's all very well for people who want to look at porn - they merely need to be slightly more specific in their search terms, and they'll find what they're looking for. Those of us who want to use image search for reasons other than sexual gratification don't have that option. I don't share Google's puritanical views on nudity and sex. If I enter a search term, I want to see all relevant results - not excluding those Google has decided on my behalf are unfit for me to see because they involve (gasp) nudity or (oh no!) sexual acts.

This goes beyond the inconvenience of a disfunctional search engine - it's a matter of principle. For Google to position themselves as my moral guardians is something I'm not willing to tolerate. It can't even be argued that this is what Google's customer base wants - safe search already existed and was enabled by default; people who don't wish to see sexual images gain nothing by this change. All this has accomplished is to take away our free choice. Fortunately, I have another choice - I can choose to stop using Google. I encourage everyone who agrees with me to do likewise.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? element180 1/29/13 12:09 PM
The problem is, Google doesn't care anymore. They've begcome so powerful that they know they can do anything they want. They've never been of any use when it comes to customer support because they don't care about thier customers. They've become exactly like Apple. They want you to use thier products, but only how THEY want you to use them
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? element180 1/29/13 12:25 PM
Typical, cookie-cutter answer. Quality improvements? How is outright censorship a quility improvement? Remember when Google's motto was "Don't do evil"? Censorship, collection of data, forcing G+ accounts on everyone with a Gmail? It all comes down to power. Google has the power to do whatever they want, and they're excersizing that power. Wether it's LOYAL users like it or not. Google is becoming more and  more like Apple everyday. They want you to use thier product, but only HOW THEY WANT. The only people Google actually cares about is it's advertisers because that's where their money comes from
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? ExUser 1/29/13 2:20 PM

On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 7:54:08 PM UTC-5, ayc wrote:
Thanks for reaching out! This change actually doesn’t prevent anyone from getting to the content they want to see. So, if you search for explicit content, you’ll be able to find it -- just make sure your query reflects this intent, and Google will show the most relevant content for the search.

And that exactly is the problem!

You have segregated the searches into two non-overlapping categories:
Those that do not want "explicit" results, and those that want only explicit results.

Well, what about people that want the most relevant results, regardless of whether Google considers them "explicit" or not?

Here are a couple of examples on how you broke the search:

1) Let's say I heard about an artist and want to get an impression of their style by seeing a representative sample of their work.
If I type [pablo picasso art] into Google and Bing, I get very similar results.  So far so good.
But if I type [edouard henri avril art], Bing provides me with the info that I need, while Google gives me a skewed and incorrect view.

In short: How do I search for images when I do not know and do not care if some of the results are "explicit"?
Previously, I could do that by adjusting the filter settings, now my only option is to use Bing.

2) Let's say that I want to get "explicit" results but the web sites that host those images do not feature any "explicit" words.
What keywords do I enter?  Do I type "porn"?  In that case the search will not show me images from sites that don't have the word "porn" anywhere on them (or linking to them, or otherwise associated with them).  The same argument applies to any other keyword I can think of ("nude", "sex", etc.) unless you have some secret keyword that will switch off the filtering but will not be considered a significant search term?

In short: How do I allow for "explicit" images without skewing the results by introducing possibly unrelated search-words?
Previously, I could do that by adjusting the filter settings, now my only option is to use Bing.

On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 7:54:08 PM UTC-5, ayc wrote:
Our data has shown that this specific change has resulted in more people finding what they were looking for, while significantly reducing the chances of stumbling upon undesired content for potentially ambiguous queries.

You could achieve the same result by having the filtered search be the default and having the option to turn it off.
Restricting user options can never achieve better search results.

Eagerly awaiting your reply.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Jonathon Davies 1/29/13 2:58 PM
@ExUser: I agree. It's difficult to believe that Google policymakers could be unaware of so obvious and basic a fact. I'm honestly having trouble understanding the thinking behind this change - I'd love to hear a cogent explanation of Google's reasoning. Who benefits by this? The only people who can possibly be affected by the removal of the option to disable safesearch are those who would turn safesearch off had the option remained. That's self-evident. So your intent is, what, to keep people who have chosen to see explicit results from seeing explicit results? To what end? Don't you believe your users are capable of making that decision for themselves? I can see no other explanation, but perhaps I'm being close-minded. Please enlighten me.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? starwars2099 1/30/13 2:08 PM
For those using google fr and de they sadly censor things in other ways. 


Though it's more of anti free speech laws in germany and france rather than a google thing. 

And for those using other search engines, I agree however google still has the ever so useful size options. So sadly I'll be using google images until bing has these options.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? phrasespot 1/30/13 8:56 PM
Don't let Google to treat you like children. Vote with your feet.

Here is a NSWF comparison of the first page results for 'blowjob' from Google and its major competitor, which gives the SafeSearch options Off, Moderate and Strict.

Shame on you Google prudes. Porn made the Internet what it is today. If you think you are too big to fall, you are in for a surprise.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? auenlander 1/31/13 4:24 AM


On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 1:54:08 AM UTC+1, ayc wrote:
Thanks for reaching out! This change actually doesn’t prevent anyone from getting to the content they want to see. So, if you search for explicit content, you’ll be able to find it -- just make sure your query reflects this intent, and Google will show the most relevant content for the search.

This recent change is just one in a number of search quality improvements we make on an ongoing basis.

Quality improvement, huh?
Of course it prevents anyone from getting the content they want to. Even if you add those nice, fancy words everybody knows ... IT IS NOT THE SAME RESULT ANYMORE!

I could compare that until a few days before, but suddenly "safe search off" has been taken away literally everywhere. google.de, .co.uk., .com, .ca - you name it, childish Google is now everywhere.

If you add whatever word to your search string it is ANOTHER search, simple as that. It's different from the intended search. If I'd be looking for "xyz" or for "xyz xxx", that's two pair of shoes - and you can see it, because a lot of good, non-pornographic(!) content is now hidden with the ability to turn off safe search taken away.
 
It's OK, protecting the children and what not... but I'm an adult, so I want to be able to search for whatever I want.
Believe me, I can handle it.
Check my legal age somehow (can't be THAT complicated...) and then give me back the "turn off safe search completely"-button.

It's annoying enough to be in Germany, always reading "This content is blocked in your country because of GEMA" on YouTube and what not.
But taking away the ability to turn safe search off and calling it an improvement just takes annoyance to a whole new level. 
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? fppf 1/31/13 11:04 AM
That's garbage. When I search for lolis, I now have to ask for nude lolis?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? barrygo 2/1/13 4:50 AM
I quite agree. There's 2 adults living here - NO KIDS. I will NOT be told what to watch by an acne laden computer nerd from somewhere in the US of A
or wherever. PUT IT BACK THE WAY IT WAS - NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WILL DECIDE - NOT YOU!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you (No I don't want google mobile apps)
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Bill Lievens 2/1/13 7:29 AM
same issue here too
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Kurt Toitelen 2/1/13 8:29 AM
It's been the same here in the UK since last week.

Google, if you won't show me the whole internet, what good are you? If you are trying to censor my internet, what good are you?

Put it back at once, or I am going to start using Bing instead.

We should all get a petition going.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? trekeyus 2/1/13 1:18 PM
This is annoying me as well. please please please Bring back the OFF setting.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rekrul 2/1/13 4:26 PM

Even when I don't have Safe Search enabled, going to the 'basic search view still shows Safesearch as set to Moderate.

Yes, that's the problem. SafeSearch is on all the time and there's no way to turn it off!

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? element180 2/1/13 7:26 PM
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Johnnie Pepper 2/1/13 9:34 PM
I suspect Google has its own sick peculiar agenda here. I no longer think it's enforcing the SAFE SEARCH for the sake of maintaining morality on the web. Given the not so good economy of the U.S. and the world Google does things that it thinks might help preserve or even increase its profits in today's competitive market. As an example, in the past, before they took away other options to Safe Search from us, I used to have my cookies related to Google.com site enabled and boy every time I checked Gmail account I had lots and lots of Spam emails that I had to delete and 99.9 percent of those were ads from adult porn websites. After they came up with their ridiculous mandatory Safe Search plan I disabled all those cookies. Now, when I go to check my emails my Spam folder is empty. Is it a coincidence that my Spam folder has been empty ever since? I don't think so. I don't believe in coincidences. So, I think when the Google staff member tells us to be EXPLICIT and very specific in our search it's because they want to track our Google search activities and then use those EXPLICIT keywords to sell our email information to those Virus filled porn websites so that they can spam our emails.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Cubelarooso 2/1/13 9:39 PM
Removing options is bad. Removing options as a form of censorship is far worse.
One's query implicitly reflects the intent of finding explicit content by way of your "Safe"Search being disabled. Why should I have to jump through hoops to find what should by all means be automatically brought up, just for the convenience of those who changed the default settings and are too lazy to change them back. And I'm sure your method of refining a query is to just add "porn" to the end; but have you considered that not all explicit images are porn, and that many pieces of art would be excluded from a search of "x porn" due to lacking any porn just as much as they'd be excluded from a search of "x" by your censors? You are prejudicially suppressing the viewpoints expressed by those works.
I'm willing to bet your so-called "studies" didn't count non-explicit images as "undesired content." In fact, every image that isn't the one you're looking for is "undesired." Most importantly, the inability for a free man to indiscriminately access and share information.
At the very least, if you are so intent on making things inconvenient for those who enjoy human rights, please add an operator I can just append to all my searches.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Cubelarooso 2/1/13 9:49 PM
Oh, and by the way, even searching for "x porn" with your censors on doesn't give the same results as searching "x porn" with them off.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? gffg 2/2/13 6:06 AM
i'm sad google.  after over a decade of using your search engine on a daily basis for everything and anything on the internet, i switched to bing, which is defective in my opinion.  you've betrayed your roots.  and having employees posting nonsense about how this isnt censorship, when it clearly is censorship, is the main reason i'm leaving you, not the censorship itself.  honesty google, honesty. 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Simon B251 2/2/13 6:40 AM
Bing isn't so bad people, just use that.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Zherry 2/2/13 6:48 AM
google images sucks now
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? scott Dowding 2/2/13 2:21 PM
Agreed i hate bing and when win8 came out i could see google dying a slow death since the integration of bing in its tools and search but seams google is the maker of its own demise....
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? luke barrett 2/2/13 6:12 PM
My Feedback : It sucks doesn't work change it back.

Your post got 479 unhelpful ratings and only 20 helpful as I read it now its not people trolling or just looking for a fight you have made a mistake and your customers have shared seen and pointed this out please fix it.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? plum40 2/3/13 3:07 AM
Came across this topic when trying to find out why I'm getting a mixture of grey boxes and pictures with the new Google image interface. I wasn't aware that Google was doing this censuring.
I have two concerns, firstly, I'm used to adding words to the search in order to reduce the amount of results - not to increase them, and secondly, more importantly, is Google doing this in areas other than adult material? How would I know? It means I will now have to use at least one other search engine just to compare results, since I just can't trust Google's any more.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? IAPL 2/3/13 12:56 PM
Google should tell those child safety campaigners, anti-porn crusaders and micromanaging parents to sod off.
Stumbling upon porn is also known as 'discovering porn' which is why it's fun. It's like the 'I'm feeling lucky' button - you don't know what you're going to get.

Safesearch OFF is now 'Moderate filtering'.
Safesearch ON is now 'Strict filtering'.
There is no more 'No filtering'.

Truth to be told, I hardly use Google to search for porn, but this pandering to the whims of censor-happy lobby groups made be sick to the stomach. Yes, Google, you ARE in fact censoring search results by making the filtering mandatory. I don't for one moment buy the 'tweaking algorithms' and 'use more specific search terms' claptrap. 

You ARE engaged in censorship... and we'll soon be sliding down a slippery slope when some other self-interest groups come pestering because some of your search results 'offend' them: ethnic stereotypes, gore, terrorism, guns, bombs, dead animals, sexism, abortion.... etc.

Why not just provide the 'No filtering' option, and when a user wants to disable all filtering, pop up a warning message "Are you sure you want to disable filtering altogether...." This part you can learn from Bing.

And if those 'please protect our children's virgin eyes' idiots come annoying you again, smack them with contractual legalese and shoo them away.

Off topic:
It sounds crazy... but I think perhaps some Microsoft/Bing employees have infiltrated Google or posed as those seemingly innocuous anti-porn activists, as an indirect way to get more people to switch to Bing. Remember, Microsoft had done some not-too-flattering ad campaigns on Google (e.g. Bing It On, Googlighting, Scroogled). Desperate for market share, they are capable of anything.


Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? 1 rockiman 2/3/13 5:59 PM
I guess Google learned censorship from the Chinese. Time for Yahoo and Bing.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Hrmz 2/3/13 9:26 PM
Actually it does prevent nearly EVERYONE from getting to the content they want to see. It's just a matter of time. I can appreciate how you might have come to the incorrect conclusion that this won't effect anyone. We adults with Safe Search turned off have a reasonable expectation to see adult content. Especially the one time in the last 5 years I specifically went looking for it during a conversation with friends. 

I know I have been "prevented" via google from finding what I searched for. Time for other means.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Joseph sw 2/4/13 4:44 AM
confirmed this is not about cookie bulshit
 
in the past there was 3 options for safe search:
- Strict Filtering
- Moderate Filtering
- No Filtering
 
however there now only 2 option for Web search:
- Safe Search filtering On
- Safe Search filtering Off
 
BUT, there also only 2 option for Image Search:
- Safe Search filterng On
- Moderate Search filtering On
 
theres no, actual "Turn Off" options for current Image search.
 
what trully annoy me is that Google actualy lied to me on image searching settings.
Its said "uncheck the Filter explicit results" as "Turn off the Safe Search", but its actualy only switch to "Moderate Search filtering".
 
Google you are Liars! You should've honest to your users.
 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? TETSUno1 2/5/13 3:05 AM
It's simply about complete disregard of cultural sensitivities.
 
I'm Scandinavian... well, Nordic... Finnish to be exact (pretty much the same thing for practical purposes, although we do like to make that distinction for historical reasons). The thing is, I don't care about "explicit" images, our entire culture doesn't care much... we don't censor things, nor do we suffer horrible psychological damages for seeing the occasional a boob. Communal saunas and sexually liberal attitudes and all that; I've literally seen thousands of people in the nude (in person). I'm simply culturally disinclined to give a damn about possible "explicit" images.... or swearing. I DO NOT CARE.
 
What I DO take offense to is getting force-fed censorship bullshit based on American puritanical attitudes. Google is basically shitting on my entire culture by editing out content based on THEIR sense of morality; they're basically telling ME that MY culture isn't good enough, and they're the sole purveyors of correct social mores for the entire world.
 
I've gone so far as to add random keywords to ALL my searches, even the perfectly innocuous ones... if I'm looking for pictures of the new BMW lineup, I'm starting my searches with XXX/porn/nude.... just to make sure some asshat company with 17th century sense of morality isn't editing out pictures of girls in bikinis from my searches.
 
Someone tell me the magic words to get the forced-safe search out of my life.
 
And in case you were wondering, Google hates your culture too and thinks you personally are a perverted freak for no other reason than you having been born in the wrong country (and thus having inferior morals) . All of you, except some of the bible-belt Americans... you guys they think are pretty ok.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? JensLynIV 2/5/13 7:02 AM
Leave it to the Finn to say what the Dane dares not...
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Ei Ta 2/5/13 8:01 AM
when on earth are you going to give us back our non filtered search if you guys really wanted to "improve" the filter for such contents why didn't you just modify the moderate setting in safe search... you idiots did not need to completely remove the ability see unfiltered content. Doing so is just plain being lazy.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? E&H-Isenberg 2/5/13 11:56 PM
On Tuesday, February 5, 2013 10:27:20 PM UTC-7, Ayan07 wrote:
WTF Google? It's been so many days and you still haven't taken down this shit? I'm going to kill that Asian priest Ayc. You fucking b*tch!!!

NEVER THREATEN SOMEONE WITH WHOM YOU DISAGREE WITH PHYSICAL VIOLENCE !!!

Making a death threat, combined with a racist comment, only discredits all of us in Google's eyes, as well it should. I'm ASHAMED to be associated with you.

BTW, it also is self-defeating, since this just means Ayc might not continue to monitor this discussion, and thus Google won't know that it is still going on.


Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rekrul 2/6/13 12:59 AM

BTW, it also is self-defeating, since this just means Ayc might not continue to monitor this discussion, and thus Google won't know that it is still going on.

Google obviously doesn't care what's going on. They stopped caring what their users think a long time ago. Google is just a faceless corporation that doesn't give a shit about its users.
 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Simon B251 2/6/13 6:08 AM


On Wednesday, February 6, 2013 7:56:27 AM UTC, E&H-Isenberg wrote:

NEVER THREATEN SOMEONE WITH WHOM YOU DISAGREE WITH PHYSICAL VIOLENCE !!!

Making a death threat, combined with a racist comment, only discredits all of us in Google's eyes, as well it should. I'm ASHAMED to be associated with you.

BTW, it also is self-defeating, since this just means Ayc might not continue to monitor this discussion, and thus Google won't know that it is still going on.


Google have already made their minds up. AYC hasn't responded to this thread in a long time. A few people in a small thread is not going to change anything, nor is a few bad eggs (corporations don't make decisions based on the angry few in a group). The media only uses it to spin that the opposition is a bunch of idiots. And as far as I know, the media doesn't give a damn about this censorship, so who cares what he says? 

And there was nothing there that was even conceivably racist you moral absolutism pushing idiot.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Disgusted17 2/6/13 9:01 AM
Realistically, this discussion has very little chance of having any impact at all. Nevertheless, almost everyone that has posted in this forum is angry with Google, and they want Google to listen and change this incredibly stupid change. 

Being angry is perfectly understandable: Violence and threats of violence are unacceptable. Threatening violence is one of the best ways to be completely dismissed by anyone who is looking for an explanation of what is going on. And the ONLY way the censorship problem might be challenged and then changed is through support from enough Google users. This, if it is ever going to happen at all, will be grass roots, genuine uprising. So if you want change share this forum, get it noticed and read, and commented on in articles outside the walls of this discussion. 


Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? DHQ2 2/6/13 11:08 AM
@ayc
You got more then 500 dislikes in this thread only. and still you are not convinced? come-on don't be ridiculous. and listen to the real voice. I don't understand that with the ability to lock the safe search, what's is preventing you to add unfiltered option? the users who don't want unwanted results can still lock it. So why you people are making the rest of the users life difficult?, OR forcing them to abandon your search engine?
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Lu Dux 2/7/13 9:59 PM
Why are you lying? No, seriously. What you are saying is provably, factually untrue. Do you really feel good about yourself working in a job where you're lying to people like this?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? sandbox testplace 2/8/13 5:49 PM
Bad news!
The Google nanny-state has hit the UK and France :-(
(but as at this point in time turning off infantile censorship is still available in Google de.)

This is just one of several recent Google "improvements" that impinge on personal freedom and privacy. It seems that a former champion of the freedom of an unfettered web has moved to the dark side. This is rather sad because by these actions the Big G is making its services more or less unusable.
I'm already gone from G+. Already out of Blogspot. Already deleted Picasa.
And now my default search engine will be something else.

*Note to Google: go back to doing what you do (well) and stop interfering with personal spaces.*

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? cakohl 2/8/13 9:02 PM
Saw this story about someone possibly finding the "top half" of Courbet's famous "The Origin of the World".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2013/02/07/thrift-store-courbet-origin-of-the-world-other-half_n_2641243.html

Since the article didn't have the bottom picture, or a link to it,I jumped on GIS to do a quick, safesearch off, search for "Courbet".

Guess which image GIS didn't show. Weirdly, it still pulls up plenty of nudes.

What is the point of using a search engine that secretly filters out relevant results while purporting not too?

If I can't find artists works by searching the artist what is the point?

If I can't trust the results of my searches what is the point?

If I have to use another search engine to double check my results what is the point?

If a search engine requires me to type in a query so specific I am not actually searching for anything what is the point?

You've managed to do something that none of your competitors have managed to do. You've made yourself less useful.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Luis de Rivas 2/8/13 11:48 PM
Sorry Albert, but the rationale you present qualifies for 'epic fail' status as it presently stands. There are times where I am specifically making vague queries to cast a wider net. But you are effectively telling us that Google's Moderate algorithm knows best in ANY case. This is clearly not the case in a number of test queries attempted. Telling users that disabling any filtering is a 'quality improvement' is akin to service providers throttling bandwidth according to black box algorithms, and telling clients that it was done to ensure 'quality surfing experiences'.

So, I am letting you and Google know that search results could be improved by letting users make the concious choice to disable any filtering.

In addition, Google has made no effort to adivise users of this change. In fact, the change has been effected in a suspiciously sneaky manner: users can only see that Moderate Search is unequivocally enforced is they switch to basic search mode, and then attempt to switch the mode to 'off', only to discover there is no 'off'.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Dreamlesswolven 2/9/13 8:53 AM
I'm actually having a recent problem with locking safesearch
When I go to the search settings (they really need to make it easier to get to those settings from search itself...) and doe my login to get to where I can lock safesearch, I click on lock safesearch and I get the

"Oops. There was a problem locking SafeSearch

Sorry, there was an unexpected problem locking SafeSearch. Please try again from the search settings page."

I've tried it on two different computers now and it's not locking... granted I see they changed filter for google seach to be auto set to "Filter explicit results" but I like the extra security from locking safe search being there... It's getting kind of annoying now that I cannot lock it any more...

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Bill Patton 2/9/13 7:59 PM
This post isn't for Google to improve its site. No, This is for all of those out there that wish to regain their personal freedoms that we here in the United States of America have fought so many years to keep. The censorship of GOOGLE needs to end by all of those with accounts of GOOGLE to switch to other search engines, emails and leave these corporate nazi's to themselves. This site isn't for them to look at and respond...no it's here for us to blow off steam and to be forgotten about!!! I'm switching today! Goodbye GOOGLE!  
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Sereena and the boss 2/10/13 9:44 AM
I tried to change from google.ca to google.com and I was bounced back to google.ca. MORE censorship. ARGH
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton 2/10/13 11:05 AM
google.com.br doesn't work too, who do they think they are for those who decide what is safe or not for me?
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? uz64 2/10/13 4:06 PM
So, has Google ever even said a word about this yet?  I see they've never fixed it, making their "image search" about as braindead and useless as can be since they made this change back in December.  Luckily I don't often use the image search, and I don't even use it for porn (face it, there are dedicated sites for that that do it much better).  And yet, nearly every time I do need to do an image search, the god damn thing still manages to somehow get in the way.  Two months, no fix... I've had enough.

I suppose -- at least for now -- google.co.uk and a few others might still work properly by actually allowing the explicit disabling of all "safe search" bullshit features, but how long before this corruption extends to Google's other domains around the world?  Looks like I'm going to have to start using something else for long-term "protection" from some corporate entity trying to control what I can and cannot see, based on their own social and religious views and morals.  I've had a bad experience with Bing, but really, Google has displayed (and is continuing to display) much bigger issues with this bullshit... I might as well consider it.

Hint to Google: Not everyone is a cowardly and insecure religious nut who can't handle a few of the less-commonly-publicly-shown body parts.  Quit acting as if we can't handle a couple of tits, or that we were not clear enough when we searched for blatantly obvious sex-related terms.  You are only displaying yourself as condescending, disrespectful, insulting, and downright offensive.  I am no longer going to tolerate this shit--consider me gone from image search starting now, unless I hear this changes.  I may end up leaving your basic web search as well at some point, now that it is clear that you have a corporate agenda to enforce nonsense morals upon all of us.

Google Image Search was just fine before, back when the option to DISABLE ALL IMAGE FILTERING was still available for those of us who didn't want artificially skewed and filtered image results.  Bring it back.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? pelican7965 2/10/13 6:10 PM
This is such bs. When are we going to be able to turn the safe search off? Image search is basically unusable now.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? dario rupil 2/10/13 11:06 PM
Its Time for Yahoo and Bing
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? TETSUno1 2/10/13 11:25 PM
Someone pointed this out recently, thought I'd share...
 
In a statement sent to CNET, a Google representative explained, "We are not censoring any adult content, and want to show users exactly what they are looking for - but we aim not to show sexually explicit results unless a user is specifically searching for them. If you're looking for adult content, you can find it without having to change the default setting - you just may need to be more explicit in your query if your search terms are potentially ambiguous."

 Which is a neat attempt to spin blatant censorship into caring about users...

Check this out. (edited portions in bold-italic)

"We are not censoring any content containing people of African descent, and want to show users exactly what they are looking for - but we aim not to show black results unless a user is specifically searching for them. If you're looking for black content, you can find it without having to change the default setting - you just may need to be more explicit in your query if your search terms are potentially ambiguous."

If it actually said that; we'd already be lighting the torches and sharpening the pitchforks. Nobody would stand for it, it's censorship, period, no matter how you try to spin it to look like something else. It's global censorship based on your particular values... values that many of us simply do not share. Some of us have no problem with explicit images, we tolerate other religions, we have no issues with people of different skin colors; whatever Google's malfunctions are, I see no reason to force the rest of the world to join in your bigotry.


Just saying.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? dario rupil 2/10/13 11:54 PM
Ok Google, Bye!  and put Google-Flop-Plus in your ass
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? God*********************** 2/11/13 7:10 PM
So why is google, ruining their site then?
What was wrong with the contect filter before?
Why cant we get the option to turn it off, to see LEGAL images?
(Not just nude pictures, but also pictures that "are normal" but some fucking pussy thought was too harsh)
Whats next in their big plan, Censoring news sites, censor actual porn sites, censoring fucking sites that just show funny pictures liked Tickld.com (NO NUDE ON THIS SITE). Where does this censoring end, when will they stop, not until they censor the whole goddamn world. If their trying to keep people happy, delete the whole goddamn. people now a days are pussies or becoming pussies, and fucking cry about everything.
" oh you said merry christmas, i dont believe that, im taking you to court"
" hes happy, i dont like that"
You cant please everybody, every body has a problem with something, and no matter what you do, theres always going to be a hippy hipster pussy whos going to cry about it. Just like those idiot fucking kids (who not only liked Beiber) but slit their wrists cus he did drugs.
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS WORLD COMING TO!?!?!
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? uz64 2/13/13 12:08 PM
"What was wrong with the contect filter before?"

It worked properly for *everyone*--not just the religious dickheads who want to control everyone around them because just minding their own god damn business and staying out of everyone else's is too polite.  Apparently, that is somehow a flaw.

I was honestly hoping Google would make the "SafeSearch" selection a part of the Google profile, so whenever you log in you take your settings with you no matter what computer or browser you use.  It got really annoying having to go into the settings and change (i.e. DISABLE) it every fucking time.  They could have even made it so this atrocious behavior is default and cannot be bypassed without an account, but by having an account you could identify yourself/your age and set your personal settings.  If you're a parent and you have the maturity to be able to view these less-clothed human bodies like a sane adult, enable it in your profile and it will stay put.  You could set an account up for your kid similarly, and enable as tight a censor as you want, maybe with an "adult bypass" by connecting it to your own account somehow.  Now *that* would have been the right way to do it.

But what do they do?  They take that option away completely.  Because, you know, apparently no one is capable of the basics that come along with being a parent in the first place.  Because when they type fellatio, blow job, anal sex, nipples--fuck, even *uncovered nipples*, they clearly don't know what they really want to search for, yet somehow Google does.  And the site still manages to get all the fucking results wrong.

Someone from Google explain why the hell I would have to add "porn" or "nude" or "naked" or whatever bullshit to my search?  How is the mere sight of a nipple or two "porn?"  And I typed nipple--the part you only see when uncovered, so why the hell do I get a bunch of pictures of women wearing clothing and covering them with fucking tassels?  Better question: Why does my choice of modifier have an effect on the results that the site returns; aren't "nude" and "naked" pretty much the same thing?  What if I want to find a scene from a movie, which is NOT a sex scene and NOT a porno, but just happens to have some nudity in it?  I still haven't figured this one out; as far as I can tell, I'm shit out of luck, probably better off with Bing.

Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Justin Browder 2/13/13 11:40 PM
I've noticed this lately, and you can't turn off the filter from the settings menu anymore? What happened? Very annoying.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? PiDicus Rex 2/14/13 6:00 AM
Is anyone from Google bothering to take notice of all the posts here?

I content is legal in my country, I should be able to see those search results that point to that content WITHOUT Google's CENSORSHIP.

The Internet was build on a principle of free sharing of information and ideas, as well as free speech.

Google, you are behaving like corporate censorship, you have no place doing so, or deciding what is right or wrong for me.

Search results should only be ordered by relevance, NEVER filtered.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Jeromy Bergstein 2/14/13 8:34 AM
http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!category-topic/websearch/google-images/IqWwLiddgM0[1-25-false]

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Kind of sad that every update Google makes now no matter which product, is the opposite of an update. More like a downgrade.

They really have no plans to improve any product, my friends. It's all scaling downhill from here.

I have read countless topics, and thousands of replies on this forum.

Most of their innovation is exactly the opposite these days, scaling once useable Google products into the equivalent of a Microsoft "Metro App."

Corporations do not want a free open internet with useful applications that do exactly what the user wants anymore, Google and Apple are now leading the way with this trend, the agenda of tabletization and simplification of a users expectations, wants and needs. Microsoft follows right behind with an App store of their own, and their own useless "Metro Apps.'

What we are seeing going down is the beginning of the end, the destruction of the free open internet we know and love.

Traitors like Vint Cerf say they stand up for us, but he obviously does not. Mandatory Google SafeSearch is a great example.

Of course what I am about to say is all theoretical opinion, but as I watch what corporations are doing every day I start to feel more and more like the following is their true agenda.

The way I see it, they envision a mobile-only internet with capped bandwidth limits (and will accomplish this by forcing people to buy into the tablet trend, thus mobile internet with its limits), slowly phasing out the desktop computer. One day, Net neutrality will be a thing of the past, and companies like Google are making it happen. They wont need anti-piracy bills or anything else to accomplish their goals, as torrents and cpu and bandwidth intensive task will be a thing of decades ago. A new tech reality will be born, one where ARM processors and cheap easily produced motherboards are the norm. At the same time, desktop computer usage will steadily decline and the only way to obtain one will be to once again pay astronomical prices, thus making this market more exclusive to the rich and high end users. The land line internet will follow the same path. The only ones who will be able to afford the type of internet we have now, will be the corporations! They will accomplish this by claiming there was 'less demand' for the desktop and land line internet, only a demand for a useless touch screen where you have to poke the key with your finger to even type a message. Something you have to constantly wipe off so there isn't dirty finger prints all over it. A device that makes me feel like a hunchback, from having to bend over to poke and prod it, and constantly swipe it until my fingers feel like they are tired and paralyzed with arthritis. A device so cheap, you drop it one time and it bust into 20 pieces.

It just makes me sick when I walk into a place like Walmart now, and the desktop computer section is non-existent, laptops are hidden around the corner and the main display is tablet computers. It reminds me of how stupid people are for selling out the more useful devices for crap computing.

Google is the leader in making this reality happen.

This is why every Google update scales you back a bit more, it's all about corporations pushing us back to the 90's, to more simple times. An age reminiscent of dial-up.

What better way to make this happen than to make junk tablets look all-so-trendy! With their lack of computing power and even a keyboard, Google wishes for us to believe they are what should be leading the way in tech. Devices so cheap, running a game like World of Warcraft would simply cause it to crash indefinitely.

They want this reality so much in fact, that they are changing everything about Google.com and indeed all of their products - to be based exclusively around whats best for said junk tablets. Play around with User Agent Switcher, you'll see what I mean! All the searches return the uncensored best results, only for said tablets.

Apple is doing just the same with their tablets, and now even Microsoft with Windows RT and their "Metro Apps."

Since when did this handheld junk become the norm that all websites are starting to base their models on? The agenda seems like it couldn't be more obvious.

Simplicity and stupidity and ease of use lead the way, sometimes I feel like the movie Idiocracy is starting to become a reality in the tech world.

A tech world I hardly wish to see or be a part of.

- Jeromy Bergstein
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? zah rar 2/14/13 12:43 PM
the us and uk and canada and saudi arabia (my home country) all three can't turn of the safe search the only one that works for me is the greman but i can't speak german!!!!!
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Derrick Moses 2/15/13 4:34 AM
no,this recent change is another reason we need to switch from google to something else. With the dumbing down of gmail looking shitty and the image search being limited, those "values" all of us believed you had so long ago are obviously gone. You think you are going forward, but you don't bother to look down to see if you are crushing people beneath you.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Monolith2001 2/15/13 10:57 PM
I think what bothers me about this change is not that they implemented it but they completely removed the option to turn it off.  I'm okay with this being the default behavior but there is no rational explanation for removing all options to disable the filter.  I would love to hear from a Google representative why they believe that users of their search engine should ALWAYS be under the filter even if they don't want to be.  Eric Schmidt should probably taking a trip to Mountain View instead of North Korea to talk about ending censorship.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? john xash 2/16/13 6:18 PM
This change is stupid and the person who made it is stupid and dumber still is the one who decided to execute it.

I am big boy I know there are "scary things" on the Internet, I don't care I am over the legal age to view and this act of ripping controls from the user is just plain retarded, first with the background and now with this crap.

If you wanted to piss people off google good fucking job.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? malcolm scott 2/17/13 4:35 AM
Hi there, I have been campaining against pornogaphy for years now and getting now where, indeed it seems that Google is very little help. I have noted the rise in the use of 3d for depicting under age pornography. I have had my web site shut down by the people who peddel  porn. So it seems that google can do nothing to prevent porn. M.S.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Ayrell 2/17/13 9:09 AM
But the thing is, this has nothing to do with underage pornography. This discussion is about Google filtering/censoring legal adult content or otherwise relevant results for Google's search engine.

Not to mention it's not Google's task to do something about underage pornography. And even if it was, a filter would not solve anything. If you want to rid the web of underage pornography (which I believe is pretty much impossible), you have to strike at its origin, being the distributors. Merely filtering content will only keep John Doe from stumbling upon illegal pornography, but people who really want to see it will find ways around filters/blockades/etc. And people who don't look for illegal content will get skewed search results due to the filter flagging relevant content as false positives.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Daniel Hurst 2/18/13 4:41 PM
fuck you ayc you are full of shit.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rainbow_Dashtruction 2/18/13 6:04 PM
So what if I don't want a extremely specific thing? Not everyone has an extremely specific fetish. While at the same time, if I want those options to appear, I got to put the word porn or XXX which completely ruins my search because it gives about 40 million things I don't want.

Any search engine that cant give me hentai if I search hentai has failed.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Damian Stalls 2/20/13 5:56 AM
Albert, since the changes that were made to the search functions... I am no longer able to filter searches any more.  By default I had implemented the "NOSSLSEARCH" DNS feature - but alas if I am logged in, or logged out - it does not work.  Please advise.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? AnnoyedUser1234 2/20/13 5:45 PM
It seems that Google reverse image search also censors explicit content. I used it to verify whether profile photos were legitimate; that option’s off the table now.
It feels like Google applied their Chinese censorship policies onto the western world. We should have the right to search filtered and explicit content alike. The idea of deactivating safe search is a farce since it does nothing – it’s like toggling the light switch to turn on the lights when the fuses are blown.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Mattpunkd 2/20/13 6:05 PM
Try using a keyword that narrows down the image, such as Loli, hentai, xxx, etc. Until google removes this, we might be stuck using dumb keywords or advanced search. Google, please remove this setting soon.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? cntryrck39 2/20/13 11:10 PM
BING BING BING ;)
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? cntryrck39 2/20/13 11:22 PM
It is scary to say the least and just the tip of the ice burg as to where they will go with this.
What is even more sad and scary is the people who actually believe their lies about the censorship.....
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Y.K.A. 2/21/13 9:38 PM
So tell me:

What do we do if we need to find something that Google thinks is explicit/offensive, but isn't porn? Like a picture of an actress in a dress you think is showing too much skin? What do you call it in a search? How do we know "what's wrong with it" so we can find it?

What do we do if we don't know something offensive is out there that we should be searching for, but would find it useful to find out (e.g., vetting a job candidate for a position where her previous career as a pornstar or mutilator of animals would be embarrassing)?

This ISN'T just about porn.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Abhishek Karmakar 2/22/13 5:46 AM
i tried google spanish site and i could deactivate it....wow!!!!!
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? alterisk 2/23/13 7:47 PM
Adding my voice to the idiotic way Google has been handling the "safer search results," as if everyone online is a two-year-old in need of a Big Nanny.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Simbian 2/24/13 6:45 AM
I don't even bother with google. It's about the worst nest of censorship you can get nowadays. That's all google can do. Censorship. I'm of age. I want to search unfiltered. This option should exists. I don't give a flying rat's ass about mothers with children that are frankly too obese both mentally and physically to learn to put a damn filter search on their google.

Screw this bullshit, screw money grabbing google censorship and finally screw all  lazy fucks that led to this.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? bfd_2009 2/26/13 7:51 PM
There's only one small change I'd make to this post. In the last line merely swap the word 'screw' with the word 'fuck' and add Google to that list.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Chrome Addict 2/27/13 4:18 PM
I have my safe search off but the explicit content that I'm trying to see doesn't show up. I'm 20yr old and signed in, why can't I see what I'm looking for?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Chrome Addict 2/27/13 4:22 PM
Yep, this one worked, US Google sucks...
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? TETSUno1 2/27/13 10:25 PM
There's an easy solution to the problem; learn to like Asian porn.
 
Check this out.

Search for "Lexi Belle" and you get the impression she's never posed nude in her life... and more disturbingly, you get a bunch of pictures of babies in an obvious porn related search (need to tack on a "nude" to get relevant results... like searching for a pornstar could be anything but porn related). Same thing happens if you search for a pornstar's Penthouse spread ;)...you actually need to specify "nude"... because as you know, people normally just search for the pornstar pictures in a porn magazine for the articles. just like all those guys who got burned in the office searching for "gay ass fisting" who were actually looking for images of "happy donkeys bumping hooves". (those asshats are the reason why we can't have nice things).
 
However; if you try a search for "Ruru Kinouchi"...it's mostly all porn all the way through, from nn to full frontal... to hardcore. Hell, a couple of pages in you actually start seeing hardcore images that have nothing to do with her. Apparently Google doesn't want us off the porn, they just want us into asian porn.
 
...I'm kinda fine with that; I'll just take my western porn searches to bing.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Joseph Lanzendorfer 2/28/13 7:11 PM
Good news, everyone!  I have found a solution.

First, install the Chrome User-Agent Switcher found here: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/user-agent-switcher-for-c/djflhoibgkdhkhhcedjiklpkjnoahfmg

Using the Spoofing tool, set your browser to an old browser, such as an old version of FireFox.  Now, go to Google.com and go to your search preferences.  All three options will be back since Google thinks you're using an old browser.  Select "Do NOT filter my search results" and then don't forget to press SAVE!  Now you can switch the spoofer back to default but your search preferences will still be saved.  You might have to do this again if Google realizes you're back to using the latest version.

Another way to do it is described here: http://pastebin.com/hyvD9S93
Works basically the same way but done manually.

Congratulations!  You've completely bypassed Google's image filters!

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? joer1212 3/1/13 12:53 AM
First of all, I don't know how Google's actions can even be legal. There has to be some kind of antitrust-like law that applies here. I certainly hope this results in a barrage of lawsuits that will sink its stock.  

Being the largest search engine provider in the world, Google has an obligation to provide access to information that is free from censorship or infringement of any kind, regardless of how they feel about that information.

When a company has the power to get to pick and choose what hundreds of millions of people can view on the internet; when they get to play gatekeeper and social engineer, we have a real problem. I don't care what Google conveniently wants to call this, I (and millions of others) call it "censorship".

What part of "blowjob" does their new Nazi image search not understand? How about "big tits"? I need to be "more specific" about this"? WTF???
Adding superfluous qualifying words to a search will negatively affect the quality of the results, as Google should very well know.

I'm quite sure I won't be the only one who will be defecting to other search engines like Bing and Yahoo. Nice way to alienate your customers, Google. What a terrible thing to do to them.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? samelkady 3/1/13 10:56 AM
I got hacked and my email storage (over 1000 email)was lost, how do I recovered the lost email
am Elkady
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Jnk. 3/2/13 9:42 PM
Truth there. First they shove down our throat all that tablet crap everywhere (search, gmail, youtube), and now lies and censoring.
I'm 28, using a god damn normal home computer Google, no touching crap or kids here. Can i have the old google design that was optimized for normal PC browsers (yes, the old one that did not used to make Firefox get stuck for about 10 dammed seconds just to load the thread comments) and unfiltered results back instead of all this tablet style crap and censors?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? pa ba 3/3/13 10:12 AM
It's Bing for me too! Tired of the nanny shit.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? intuitive 3/3/13 8:20 PM
Ohhhh my goodness. The safe search off/moderate/strict system allowed me to find the images I wanted. Requiring me to imagine what input the algorithm needs to show me the explicit content I want is absolutely ridiculous and an obviously less intuitive, less pleasurable user experience.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? SL  3/3/13 9:40 PM
It makes it significantly more difficult to find the same content would could find previously.    You could search for something and see similar related images of an unsafe nature and explore from there, thereby allowing you to modify your search with new keywords, names or whatever.

Why is there not an option to simply use the old system - tick a box "NO REALLY, I'M AN ADULT, I WANT THE FULL VERSION"

The change is ridiculous, stupid and frustrating.  This is not an improvement in ANY WAY.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Joe Theragman 3/5/13 12:58 PM
How does one remove Google as a search engine?
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? ELO Trigger 3/7/13 6:18 AM
Look China idk what you did but thanks to TOOLS like you millions of people cant turn the safe search off on google or dogpile and watch porn anymore or search for hentai or naughty cartoon images, YOU CANT CONTROL WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO LOOK AT, WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO TELL ME I CANT WATCH PORN WHENEVER I WANT!
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? chad3814 3/13/13 9:41 PM
I think its a load of bull shit that I cant get what I want on my computer! Can somebody please help me! Wth!!
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? chad3814 3/13/13 9:41 PM
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Kiloclips 3/15/13 3:35 PM
Does Google just not care about it's users anymore??

 They claim they need us to enter explicit words before they know we want explicit results. But what about all the pages that contain explicit images but contain NO explicit words??? How do we get them to show up??

The whole point of the way it was before was that we could tell Google we want unfiltered results without having to search on terms that we don't want as part of the search.

You say you want to be sure that we really want explicit results before you'll give them to us. WELL YOU TOOK AWAY OUR ABILITY TO TELL YOU THAT WE WANTED EXPLICIT UNFILTERED RESULTS!!!!!!!

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? GWizzard 3/16/13 5:38 PM
Frankly I fail to see the problem. Google is like, GOD now. Or your government. THEY KNOW what is best for you. How you should think. What you should want and feel and why you should not question their divine authority.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? element180 3/27/13 9:09 AM
@THRE3EYES   If you WANT your results filtered, that's all well and fine. I also understand the "value of this feature for parents". That's why there was an option to turn it on and off. But Google is treating the rest of us, who don't want our seraches filtered, censored really, like children. This is just another reason Google is going 'down the tubes'. Changing things for the sake of change (i.s. Image Search), killing off products because it can (i.e. Reader, not to mention numerous other G products over the years), and now it's attempting to censor the internet because apparently, according to Google at least, we, Google's users, aren't able to choose what we do, and don't want to see
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? THRE3EYES 3/27/13 10:09 AM
@element180

You should read my post again, and more carefully this time.

You are preaching to the choir. That "thanks Google" at the end was sarcastic. I was arguing, pretty clearly I think, for the ability to turn these features on and off, both when it comes to safe search in general and when it comes to obscenity filters in my queries.

I mentioned censorship in my post, and I also made a comparison to being treated like a child. I apologize if any of this was unclear or hard to understand, but I think if you were to read my message more carefully before posting I wouldn't need to type this response right now.

So, in short, I totally agree with you, so you should probably focus your attention the the people who don't agree with you instead.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? THRE3EYES 3/27/13 10:24 AM
NOTE: This is a re-post for clarity (since editing posts is apparently forbidden for members). I only added a few words, but I think it makes what I'm saying much clearer. With a quick re-read, I can see how someone might get the wrong impression if they were only skimming my post and not reading it thoroughly, and I'm not egotistical enough to think that someone is really going to spend all that much time reading my ramblings.

While I generally frown on your transparently obvious attempt to clean up the internet, I actually have a slightly different, but related problem with the changes that I have noticed.

See, I actually enable safe search, voluntarily, for the purposes of filtering my search results. I know, I know, I'm an adult and this must be a shock to you, but sometimes and even most of the time really, I don't want to be blasted by pornographic images when I'm making a relatively innocuous search.

Of course, I do want to have the ability to look up pornographic images without having to try to be clever enough to beat the system. After all, I don't use Google because I want to play a little puzzle game to figure out how I want to get to what I want to see. I want to be able to actually navigate the UI in a sensible way, simply and easily, even if it's for porn. Needing to outsmart the system to get it to do what it's designed to do means it's poorly designed, not that it's somehow "better". The way to make the system better would be to add MORE options to customize my filter, not fewer options. This includes the option to have no filter. It's not like it was even a complicated system that needed streamlining in the first place, so why remove features?

None of that is my problem though. It's a problem and I don't like it, but it's not MY problem. The real problem for me is that I now have to disable safe search entirely.

Why? Why you ask? "You seem like the kind of person who wants safe search on!" you might say, and you would be right, because I want my search RESULTS filtered. I, however, do not want my QUERIES filtered. If I type the word "fuck" into the search engine, I don't want Google to just flip me the bird and say "nope!"

The funny thing is, I actually understand the value of this feature for parents and other such people. However, I want to be able to tun it off independently of safe search. I WANT to use safe search, because I want filtered results most of the time. I don't want Google to just assume because I want my results filtered that I'm a fucking 10 year old and mommy and daddy have decided to lock down the big, mean internet from the grasp of my tiny, innocent fingertips. I'm a damn adult and I don't want porn everywhere. The word "fucking" does not necessarily exist JUST for porn. For example, if I were to search for a popular quote from a movie, or if I want to look up the etymology of the word or any number of other, non sex reasons I don't expect to get porn. I don't even WANT to get porn. In fact, the filter would help me MOST in this situation because I might end up with porn I don't want to see. Now,  because I have to turn safe search off entirely just to SAY "fuck" or even words like "bastard" or "shit" (which aren't even remotely related to sex... for the most part) or any of the other fancy words we adults get to use, I'm just stuck with all the porn that I might end up accidentally getting.  Google's sensitive ears just can't take it because god forbid if safe search Google were to hear a dirty word! Now I probably WILL get to be exposed to all the porn I DON'T want to see.

So not only are your design choices oppressive and annoying to the user and reeking of censorship but they also have an effect which is the exact opposite of what you intended them to.

Thanks Google!
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Bunny Infidel 3/28/13 12:25 PM
If google can create this level of censorship, they should be able to create a program allowing people to choose whether or not they want to use it.  SIMILARLY, 'google similar results' should come with a DISABLE feature.

This statement is so misleading it is inherently a lie: 'resulted in more people finding what they were looking for WHILE SIGNIFICANTLY reducing the chances of stumbling upon undesired content for potentially ambiguous queries'.  

TRANSLATION: People I don't care about found the SAME pictures they would have found anyway, without having to feel all offended by images I wanted to find using searches that are not 'overly explicitly detailed'.  Is google just trying to humiliate people?

'resulted in more people finding what they were looking for' - NO - taken alone that is not true -  I am finding LESS images, 'ambiguous searches' are often necessary to throw a wide net to find what you are looking for.

THIS line is complete delusion:
This recent change is just one in a number of search quality improvements we make on an ongoing basis.  QUALITY?  IMPROVEMENTS?

There has not been a SINGLE CHANGE in google search or image search that is QUALITY OR AN IMPROVEMENT.  
As a matter of fact, every single change made lately within search has been a loss or a time waster.  
#1 - can't block URLs from searches anymore, #2 - grouping images 'underneath' other images, requiring the user to click on every single image in order to see what other images are hidden from the results, #3 can't just hover over an image to see the description -as a matter of fact, you have to click the image, then click 'more info' to find further information  #4 can't click on 'search for similar images or see all sizes' directly from the image anymore #5 - GOOGLE SIMILAR RESULTS - a piece of trash that everybody hates, is totally useless, usually omits KEY WORDS off the search parameters leaving you with less than nothing #6 GOOGLE SEARCH IS RIDDLED WITH LOADING PROBLEMS - OFTEN WILL NOT RELOAD IF YOU ENTER A NEW SEARCH & ONLY REPEATS THE PREVIOUS RESULTS - IMAGE SEARCHES ARE LOADING VERY SLOWLY - IMAGES ARE NOT LOADING - this is obviously all related & maybe google should spend more time FIXING PROBLEMS instead of creating new ones.

'MAKE SURE YOUR QUERY REFLECTS THIS INTENT' - do we have to type the words EXPLICIT CONTENT IS MY INTENT!  

And I gotta tell you, I just googled PORNOGRAPHY and I DIDN'T SEE ANY!

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Bunny Infidel 3/28/13 12:28 PM
Even though we know google saves ALL our emails, personal information, etc., i guarantee they won't do anything to help you get it back.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? shawn kennedy 3/29/13 3:47 AM
 Dear AYC,
Your repetitive non answers to customers are coming off as nothing more than pampas at this point. You know as well as we do that the service has changed. You know as well as we do that a feature was removed. Instead of addressing this with a reasoning you have simply chanted back at us that everything is the same. Well, here is what's not the same, I am leaving your search engine for bing. I am leaving Gmail for an email provided by my ISP, and I am leaving android for an i-phone. If I want corporate double talk I go to work and sit at my desk. If a company refuses to address an issue for me I simply don't do business with them. By all means respond to me with the same copy/paste of a non statement. It will make no difference. Unless your response reads "we are undoing our mistake" you simply have lost a customer. And by the way, Allowing the report image function to alter your search algorithm simply creates a hobby for internet trolls to lessen the quality of the product. Enjoy that going forward.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Vanessa Lee 3/31/13 8:42 PM
This is NOT quality improvement, the original option of; no filter, some filter, all filter was just fine.

This IS censorship AND requiring users to ADD "explicit" language in their search just to make sure they find a through search.

I spent over 2 hours today trying to figure out what is wrong when I searched for "lois greenfield ballet" and figured out that google thinks ballet is sexually explicit.

Ignorance and withholding knowledge and education is a lot more harmful to everyone than "explicit" content.


On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 4:54:08 PM UTC-8, ayc wrote:
> Hi guys,
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> Thanks for reaching out! This change actually doesn’t prevent anyone from getting to the content they want to see. So, if you search for explicit content, you’ll be able to find it -- just make sure your query reflects this intent, and Google will show the most relevant content for the search.
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> Thanks,
> Albert
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> Update on 12/21/2012
> This recent change is just one in a number of search quality improvements we make on an ongoing basis. Our data has shown that this specific change has resulted in more people finding what they were looking for, while significantly reducing the chances of stumbling upon undesired content for potentially ambiguous queries. We continue to use your feedback to tune these signals in order to improve the quality of our results, so do let us know when you believe results could be improved.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Vanessa Lee 3/31/13 8:50 PM
It's not working (again) as of 2013 Mar 30, no option to turn off "safesearch"
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Monolith2001 3/31/13 9:49 PM
"We continue to use your feedback to tune these signals in order to improve the quality of our results, so do let us know when you believe results could be improved."

It is now April 1st and there doesn't seem to be much in the way of using our feedback.  No one is asking them to change this new "quality" of results, just let those of us who like to use ambiguous results to turn it off.  One of the best things about the old image search is I could look up something and the results will sometimes lead me down paths I never would have thought to go down (sometimes risque but I was almost always looking up something of that nature) but as an adult who has "chosen" not to have my results filtered, that's a good thing.  Now I don't get that choice.  Google decides for me what I should be seeing and discovery is out the window.  I will say that if nothing else, I now have a good deal of respect for Bing where before this change, I wouldn't have given it a chance as I was so in Google's tank.  I still use Google image search but if discovery is my thing, I go to Bing.  

I've never understood why so many companies get corner a market an decide to go from consumer advocate to consumer dictator.  It always leads to a coup.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? PiDicus Rex 3/31/13 10:44 PM
So, just for the heck of it, I used a single word for an image search term.

That word was "Playboy"

Now, you'd expect that the top results would be images from Playboy.com.

Nope,..

Plenty of images from other sites that credited the images to Playboy, but none FROM Playboy.

In fact, to get any result from Playboy.com, I had to use "site://www.playboy.com" as a search modifier.

I'd really love to know what Playboys SEO officer thinks about this...

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? tommo123 4/14/13 12:29 PM
i only found out about this after learning there's early shots of demi moore in penthouse. searched for demi moore bush, and get clean image. jumped to bing and searched those words and got what i was looking for.  to get it in google images i had to add the word "porn" at the end.

google employees have stupidly said to just be more specific?  what they mean is add more words to indicate you want to get past their censorship. nah, easier to just go to Bing. never thought i'd use it - it's a stupid name but now i have no choice since i can't trust googles search results any more.

p.s, why have accounts and settings if there's no benefit to it like saving your preferences etc?  there's this issue with the image search, there's the notifications popping up on youtube, chrome has had simple to resolve but very annoying flaws for ages, they remove ad blockers from android .......

google is turning dictatorial, and it's a shame :(

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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? P0kerz 4/22/13 10:38 PM
Well, I guess it's off to Bing or Yahoo for image search now. This is by far the most pointless change ever.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Vanessa Lee 4/23/13 1:42 PM
Bing and Yahoo are hardly any better, I can never find anything relevant on Bing and it's UI really not that much better than Google's.

Bing's local search is the worst, I can't find any place around town (and I'm from LA).

Yahoo lacks relevant hits as well.

Google's "explcit-or-nothing" stance on searches now is just plain indecent.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Furbotz 4/28/13 8:57 AM
Bing works!
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=labia+waxing+photos&FORM=HDRSC2
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? LuiePL 4/30/13 5:46 PM
But why not let there be a setting in a users options to turn it off completely?
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Vanessa Lee 5/1/13 1:32 PM
OP here, that is such a great question, but alas, that is what we are all asking at the beginning.

The problem is that mandatory moderate safe search is just that, MANDATORY.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? mwara244 5/10/13 2:35 AM
WTH was so complicated with Strict, moderate, and off?!!! Strict would have none show up. Now it is Strict and Moderate. To think I rallied with Google with SOPA and censorship and they go and pull this sh@t
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? John Napier 5/14/13 3:25 PM
well, I give up.
If google is censoring results I cant make them change.

Changing my default engine to Bing seems the only reasonable course of action.
If anyone has any other ideas, let me know.

Bye Google, it was fun.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? mike desjardins 5/14/13 5:07 PM
use BING
it works the way google image should
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Ting Tong 5/17/13 7:00 PM
Thank you soo much Google Gods for being my nanny. I don't know what I would do without you. I might actually be able to find what I'm looking for or some CRAZY thing like that. Thank you for putting a stop to that, we wouldn't want that to happen. You really feel the need to mess up everything you get your hands on don't you? Unfortunatly it looks like you will be losing another person to Bing until your fix this shit, that is if I decide to come back. All I wanted was gerneral pictures of "boobs" or something to make a 3 monitor eyefinity background. I do not want to do a more specific search than that because i don't know what I am looking for until I see it. But again thank you for deeming that inappropriate for a 27 year old to seach for. Well off to bing.

P.S. Fuck you Google.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? 0mniToad 5/22/13 4:01 PM
This is ridiculous. I'm not using it for porn, but rather to quickly find funny, sexual images to share with friends to punctuate our silly conversation. But now I literally can't find anything useful. Even straight up searching "sex" gives nothing but safe-for-work responses. Why would the 'safe search' even be an option if it doesn't do anything?

Attention Google staff: It's not helpful if you force people into an option they specifically don't want.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Disgusted17 5/22/13 5:28 PM
Because Google has become a very large group of arrogant, rich, children. They don't even moderate this discussion. google doesn't care because it doesn't have to care. 
There is a term for their behavior about the changes they have made, it's called "disconfirmation" which basically means "You people don't even rate an explanation, much less a defense or an argument. You are nothing to us."

That's why. 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? 0mniToad 5/22/13 10:06 PM
Riiight. I forgot for a second. Google is a corporation, and therefore the ONLY thing that matters to them is selling advertising and making investors happy.

I guess on the bright side, this is a clear sign that new emerging competitors have an easy avenue to compete. Just gotta keep my eyes open for the next Google.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? EvilOne 5/28/13 11:27 PM
Nah, Google has just literally become Big Brother in the most literal sense.  Or, Hal "I'm sorry Dave, but I can not let you do that" if you will, hence the big red eye on all the Android ads.  They don't even bother to hide it anymore.
Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? [email address] 6/5/13 12:28 AM
My google images dnt show clearly &shows too small..m using blackberry 9300,pls help
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? francois pretorius 6/8/13 3:07 PM
cant agree more...google you not my mother, suck it
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? xKingKong62x 6/12/13 7:49 AM
They certainly show enough gross and disturbing images...
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Sidney Kilgore 6/17/13 10:35 AM
I not pleased.  I want to conduct plenary searches for content.  I need to be able to search without filters so I don't miss something important.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Disgusted17 6/17/13 11:26 AM
It's been this way for about a year. I think the appropriate response is that you are "shit out of luck" on this one. Google has sold everyone out, which proves that in corporateland you can count on only one thing: getting screwed for money.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Ayrell 6/21/13 7:58 PM
Well, it's been long enough since you tossers changed safe search. I still can't believe you guys are arrogant enough to think you know what's best for us or what we should or shouldn't watch on the internet. But whatever is the case, I know that I've had enough of your crap. I already switched to bing as my default search engine. And as it stands, I'm going to find an alternative to gmail, and my next phone won't be an android phone, nor will my next tablet be an android tablet. You know the expression "Either die a hero, or see yourself become the villain."? Well, Google, guess who you became... I hope you're proud of yourselves.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Bob Blob 6/21/13 9:18 PM
Google still hasn't addressed the fact that their entire rationale for this is invalid ("Our data has shown that this specific change has resulted in more people finding what they were looking for, while significantly reducing the chances of stumbling upon undesired content for potentially ambiguous queries.").  The only way anyone would have "stumbled upon undesired content" was if they turned off SafeSearch completely, which usually means the explicit content WAS desired.  Don't punish the rest of us because a few Puritan idiots ignored the warnings, turned it off, and complained about what they saw.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? spartaaaaa 6/24/13 2:56 AM
This has spread to the whole world :/

I've read this topic, and read your answer that YOU chose to set as best answer despite having the worst ratio of good/bad answer of the thread ...

This morning i was looking for a comic that is *NOT* porn, not even erotic, just humourous, i've just searched for the text i remembered to have searched before to find my comic, and as there is no explicit term in it to force what you now call "adult content", I couldn't find it ...

What am i supposed to do to find my pictures now ? Use Bing ?

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Disgusted17 6/24/13 6:39 AM
It gets worse:

At some point last year Google announced on this forum they would no longer moderate it, So that allowed people to say whatever they really wanted to, swearing included, without censorship. Unfortunately, neither does Google read the comments on this forum. 

I have posted before about the ultimate insult of being ignored. The psychological term is "disconfirmation" and basically can be interpreted as 'you are not worth even the time it takes to read your comments or listen to what you have to say, much less than the time it takes for an actual reply.' 

And that is the current status, from the Google perspective, of the comments (and the people commenting) on this forum.

Sorry to break the bad news.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Phillip Evans 6/30/13 6:29 PM
If you have not been keeping up with the news, please see the links below.

By forcing us to use more specific search terms, it becomes easier for the NSA to track our interests.

Ambiguous search terms would make that a bit more difficult.

But look at the way they try to sell it to us:

ayc: "Hi guys, Thanks for reaching out!"

Isn't that friendly and good? He is a public relations schyster.

ayc: "...if you search for explicit content, you’ll be able to find it -- just MAKE SURE YOUR QUERY REFLECTS THIS INTENT, and Google will show the most relevant content for the search."

That's what they want: your intent.

Google China and Google Japan still offer image search freedoms.

News:

Google has lots to do with intelligence
http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Google-has-lots-to-do-with-intelligence-3221500.php

Wiretapping focus shifts to e-mail communications
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13739_3-9886766-46.html

NSA Prism program taps in to user data of Apple, Google and others
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data

DOJ Asks Court To Keep Secret Any Partnership Between Google, NSA
http://legaltimes.typepad.com/blt/2012/03/doj-asks-court-to-keep-secret-any-partnership-between-google-nsa.html

Google Hiding Behind Smoke Screen Of NSA’s Internet Spying Scheme
http://www.infowars.com/google-hiding-behind-smoke-screen-of-nsas-internet-spying-scheme/

Google to enlist NSA to help it ward off cyberattacks
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/03/AR2010020304057_pf.html

Google's Deep CIA Connections
http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/14-01-2010/111657-google_china-0/

Facebook – the CIA conspiracy
http://www.globalresearch.ca/facebook-the-cia-conspiracy/12685
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? richardstevenhack 7/1/13 4:35 AM
Despite your denials and your bogus "don't be evil" CRAP, the fact is you're handing data over to the NSA and you're policing the Internet from "bad stuff" because you think you run this country, like every other big corporation.

Well, from now on, we know you are "evil" - you're the enemy and you'll be treated as such by hackers.

Maybe the Chinese can teach you some manners.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? PunkMaister 7/4/13 6:09 PM
it seems that Google now forces everyone to use their moderate censorship mode which is bulshit but what can one expect of pansies to government like Google.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? andrew brandon 7/7/13 7:07 PM
This is false as when i search for a specific thing if the search includes any word deemed inappropriate that word is omitted even if i don't want it to be. This is nothing more than an abuse of power to say "no we will not allow you to view this because we don't think you should." This should be removed, as the old format worked perfectly fine. I don't want my daughter to stumble upon porn, turn safe search to strict. I need to get a jolly off in the middle of the night, turn safe search off.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? 4fuxsake 7/11/13 8:55 AM
How is it that 649 people voted this down but it's marked as the "best answer?"  This seemed to have fixed itself for a while, but now we're back to this censorship misery. And no, you fucking liar...there is no way around it. We're talking about the image search here, not the regular one. 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? dclarue gny sgt usmc ret. 7/20/13 9:06 PM
how the fuck do I dump gmail? how the hell do I contact google directly? I installed chrome and it took over my computer! I had to take it to a shop and have it totally restored! took the guy 3 fucking days @ $45 an hour! these fucking assholes sold their soul to the us government for R and D money and now they read all our emails, searches etc.!!! same thing for yahoo but at least they don't deny it! don't believe me? just look at all the sensor ship here if you think they are cool! and mandatory updates that cost more money? why the fuck should I pay for the priviledge when I can get it for free?! oh yeah FYI I was in the marines 4 13 yrs just so these clowns can butt fuck us on a regular basis. you gotta love freedom, which aint free! wake the fuck up! got an answer? id love to hear it! mail me @ raven...@yahoo.com dcs gny sgt usmc ret.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Clob Job 7/22/13 2:57 PM
The assault continues:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/22/tech/web/uk-porn-ban-cameron/index.html

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? mwara244 7/23/13 8:30 AM
Google is now like  Verizon and other shameful corporate conglomerates, offer a service that people like and are accustomed too, and then change it and screw the customer.

To think I thought Google would not be evil. This is censorship, AND NO A MORE SPECIFIC SEARCH DOES NOT WORK..

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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? An annoyed ex-customer. 8/7/13 5:18 AM
Google, you are a bunch of as$$oles. This stupid feature that you've implemented on your own without asking anyone from your user base has far reaching negative effects. Nothing i search on google now is useful anymore because i have to triple my search words be specific to a fault which goddammit you Alzheimer patients means i loose quite a lot of potential hits in my search because i'm specific. You say this is porn oriented it's not. It's a goddamn blanket over everything down from changing the meaning of words to downright not being able to search specific phrases because i have to watch out how you a$$hats change my wordage. And you Ayc, i'm on to you, all you do is blanket statements and when you do the public sees you as you are, nothing but a attention distraction. You're the pr equivalent of microsoft's Adam Orth and just about every EA pr lying douche. I'm quite certain up there (when you look at the a$$holes above you and the shi$heads below you), they feel like what they are doing because someone did another $aline $olution on your blood (pockets) stream and convinced you to this crap, it feels like an ok thing that will be accepted etc. Well guess what. Oppressors don't stick around in this world, they fall, every big system that has a huge hammer breaks and guess what breaks in the hammer first, it's the handle, ie you guys the little shi$heads they see each morning. If you don't bring back the original filtering system and drop the whole "we try to help you find stuff easier" bs you're going to fall. Just like every big rotten tree out there. Especially here on the internet where the push of a button you get a nice unfiltered, unrestricted, unbullshi$ed browsing system be it bing or others. I don't care if you delete this, i don't care whatever happens because unlike you i'm not stuck with a contract that puts me in the position to drop my morals and grab the soap bar.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? roboticpressure 8/7/13 9:03 AM
So it has been a while since google made this stupid and infuriating change. I want to point out a few things that have also happened:

1. In 2011 Google attended the Bilderberg summit at which the topic of discussion was "Internet Security". 

2. There is evidence that Google is working directly with the US government to control the net:
(the definition of fascism is when corporate and state power are one, btdubs).

3. Google decided that sex is bad and removed sex from image search. Don't forget, sex is bad!

4. The UK has decided to add opt-out default filters blocking all pornographic content. Also violence, drugs, and "esoteric material"


I could go on. I should not have to.

The internet, the WHOLE INTERNET, is not just "under threat", but it HAS literally been destroyed. We are simply living in the ruins now. 


I wish I could say something positive here, but I am simply defeated. The jerks won! The internet is now "Cable Part II" - highly regulated, tracked, not anonymous, and furthermore - as a tool, it is being used AGAINST US. 

The internet has literally evolved into a television that watches you. 

Any and all hopes we had of a true and open platform for human communication are gone. Dead. Killed. Murdered. 

Murdered by Google.

Remember when AOL was all like "hurr durr WE ARE THE INTERNET!" and everyone just laughed and then AOL went out of business?

Why does Google get the pass? 

Oh yeah because they are in bed with the government, and the government has decided that the internet, unchecked, is a threat to power. 

So they took away the tits. And the esoteric content. And the erotica. And then what? 

What else have they censored? What else have the deleted from existence by removing the entry in their ToC? 

Google has too much power - remember when M$ had to unbundle IE from Windows because of monopoly nonsense?

Where is the government oversight for google? 

Oh right, there is no government oversight, because Google is in bed with the government. 


If you read this, please refer to my point 1 above, and really think about it. It is crazy, but it is true. They planned every step of this. 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? rTenka 8/9/13 3:48 AM
This is enough. I'm switching to Bing, didn't want to but heck, you're gaining enemies google, you used to be the best. Now I bet lots of us are starting to hate you.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Google Boobs 8/11/13 11:47 PM
None of the posted solutions in any of the replies to this topic work. I'm looking for a specific pair of boobs. Whenever I Google boobs, "real" boobs no longer pop up; every single picture is fully clothed, or at least covered. I just want to find the boobs, Google. I can't get safe search to stop filtering the boobs no matter how much I try. No matter what settings I switch. Please, give me my boobs back.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? bluequoll 8/12/13 2:24 AM
Google Boobs:
Based on what you've said you're looking for, I Image Searched using an adult word for "boobs", and a simple synonym for "unclothed", and got rather more than I bargained for. I'm sure if you stop complaining about Google's measures to protect children, and use specific grown up terminology you'll find what you're looking for.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Shawn Jackson 8/12/13 2:48 AM
That's just it.  it isn't Google's job to protect children. That responsibility falls squarely on the parent's  shoulders.  The way it was,  parents could turn SafeSearch  on strict for their kids and not worry,  allowing the rest of us to leave the floodgates open and enjoy the net we pay for. Thanks to lazy parenting,  Google had taken it upon themselves to be mommy and daddy to everyone,  which was unnecessary. I don't like someone making my experience more complicated and restrictive because a few dullards can't figure out the settings on a webpage.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? nitro2k01 8/16/13 5:23 AM
Considering it's been more than 6 months now, Image Search is probably unlikely to get changed back to its original state, but I'll just add this anyway. There are some searches for, hmm, let's say esoteric material, which suffer from this. The idea is that you add a trigger word like "porn" or "naked" to get past the filter. But such words will also color the search in ways you may not want. All in all a nuisance. Bing, here I come.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Pigged off! 8/16/13 1:56 PM
Just tried searching on Google Images for Robyn Lambert (a stunning model that happens to do the occasional shoot for a well known UK newspaper). What came back? A right load of rubbish - there were about a dozen images that could have been her and the rest... oh dear! Add the word t*ts and you get shed loads of her fully clothed and otherwise! Surely the initial search of just her name should have shown these "safe" images and not tarred them with the same brush as the topless and naked shots? GI has got worse and worse over the past few years, giving you rubbish that you don't ask for, that is totally unrelated to your search query and not giving you what you do ask for. Come on Google have you not heard of the saying "The customer is always right"? Stop trying to take over the world and give us, the customers, what we say we should have!
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? GWizzard 8/16/13 8:46 PM
Someone should take a giant 10 ton blue red yellow and green CRAP ON GOOGLE'S FRONT LAWN to let them know we're all fed up with their bullshit, lies, manipulation, spying, censorship, and ARROGANCE !!!
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? c.garrett morriss 8/23/13 11:35 AM
if you don't make it equally usable for those who desire you to stick your safe search up your ass ... we will replace you
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? c.garrett morriss 8/23/13 11:38 AM
if you don't make equity between those who desire safe search and those who would like to see you stick it up your ass .. you will be replaced
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? GWizzard 8/23/13 6:51 PM
Hi I personally am glad Google filters are permanently stuck on SAFE FOR WORK OR KINDERGARTENERS because now I realize I'm a sinner consumed with dark dirty lustful desires and must repent lest I be cast into the bowels of unclean Yahooey or Bingish HELL
Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? teddy grassi 8/25/13 5:20 AM
What ayc is refusing to tell you is the NSA is making deals with google, yahoo,etc. in order to gather your information for its data banks. The most likely reason they are making you use terms with precision is to better categorize you in there system. The news won't talk about porn, but they made public announcement of the illegal dealings just yesterday. They are taking money breaking the law to steal your information. The whole forced search terms makes since now. I bet you can't lie about that one AYC since the media outed your company and others of your illegal activity.
Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? teddy grassi 8/25/13 5:51 AM
What that entails is for any reason , within the period of time the data can be stored b4 updated, if they look into you for say someone says your suspicious. They can pull up your IP address, email and search history of everything you've done within say 3 to 4 yrs. that coupled with your phone information and all phones connected with, as well as any and all computers used to sign onto anything that's yours. That's right, google sold us all out to the NSA for money. You can thank Obama for removing restrictions that protected Americans. It's all bigger than this, but I'll keep it simple for now. These filters restrictions occurred around the same time Obama tampered with the law. It's not hard to make connections in our era. The Internet is all we have left, in a sense.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Ken Thon 8/26/13 11:40 AM
Is there another voice to text that works for android phones?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rekrul 8/26/13 6:01 PM
The really ironic part is that while Google is telling people they need to be more specific in their search queries, Google (the search site) has a really bad (and utterly annoying!) habit of blatantly ignoring parts of your search query. Type in four specific words to search for and it will show you pages that only match two or three of them. Even putting a "+" in front of the words won't stop it from ignoring them!

Even worse, sometimes you can see your search terms displayed in the excerpt on the results page, but they're nowhere on the actual web page. Even when you view the cached version of the page, those words still aren't there!

What the hell is the point in being specific when Google just ignores what you enter???

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Wisco 8/28/13 1:24 PM
"Thanks for reaching out! This change actually doesn’t prevent anyone from getting to the content they want to see. So, if you search for explicit content, you’ll be able to find it -- just make sure your query reflects this intent, and Google will show the most relevant content for the search."

Can anyone transalte this from happytalk into English? Note to Google: in the future, please remember that PR BS isn't actually very helpful and is not anything close to an answer to this question.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? jim.jaggers 8/28/13 1:45 PM
The + operator no longer forces inclusion of a word in the search results.  Enclosing the word in double quotes should force its inclusion.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Daron Barbour 9/4/13 7:23 PM
Goodbye google. You are no longer of use. :'(
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Ken Thon 9/5/13 4:47 PM
I think your right ...Might be time to say goodbye to google...since they started fooling around with it even the voice to text doesn't work right any more
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? arthur alvaro 9/14/13 10:57 PM
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? john2james 9/15/13 1:03 PM
My guess is that the Feds pressured Google to do this. Cardinal Richelieu (or someone else -- the authorship is disputed) said, "If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." Put all the ads that Google has ever published together, and it's more than six lines. No one will be hanged, but execs could be hounded into prison.

Maybe we need a separate X-rated search engine. Have any been done?

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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? john2james 9/15/13 2:42 PM
A porn search engine could start with the links from a dozen or more sites like Persian Kitty. It could get a lot of traffic -- especially by working with the sites instead of against them. Sites will want to be in the search engine, to get more customers.

And Google etc. will never be competitive for THAT search.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Derrick Simpson 9/16/13 7:55 PM
This is stupid.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Niraj Adhikari 9/27/13 6:54 AM
hi
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Koty Fuzzbutt 10/1/13 6:23 PM
I know its been said many times, but how could i not get any more specific with "gay furry cumshots"? I even tried searching for things as nasty as "gay furry gore guro penis cock ass rape". IM BEING SPECIFIC HERE!
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Ben Comans 10/2/13 10:07 PM
I love the automated responses the Google staff give..
its always the same replies lol.

anyway, google has turned to shit again, and I cant even do the most basic of pornographic searches..

Im 34.

if I want to look for whatever I want, when ever I want.. not have google tell me what is appropriate or not..

SO now I use Bing..

No problems there.

Make the switch :)

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? TN91 10/4/13 8:19 AM
Yes!  I have a hard time feeling sorry for the dudes whining that their boobies have been taken away.  Get your own damn search engine.  Call it "Bang" or "Hoo Hoo" or "Gobble". Make it a one stop shop for all your jacking off needs!

Personally, I am tired of having to incessantly opt OUT of seeing blow jobs.  Good for Google!

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Ben Comans 10/4/13 9:14 AM
Hello TN91

Thanks for reaching out! This change actually doesn’t prevent anyone from getting to the content you want to see. So, if you search for explicit content, you’ll be able to find it -- just make sure your query reflects this intent, and Google will show the most relevant content for the search.


Sound familiar??
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Sophie Kropf 10/10/13 12:31 PM
I am a sad anime fangirl.... my yaoi is all gone!!! ;A;
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Gregory Fein 10/10/13 1:30 PM
Wow.... How did I not notice this for so long?

I've tested it out with several basic search terms that should return explicit results on both Google and Bing. Even for simple things like "sex", the contrast is stark. The google results look like a cartoon's version of sex, or maybe an evening sitcom's version: it's all clothed people rolling in bed and laughing. The Bing results for "sex" show (imagine that!) sex. It's the same with every search term I try.

Well, I've resisted it for a long time, and I've tolerated a lot of Google's nonsense, but this is the straw that broke the camel's back. I'm leaving. I'll be using Bing from now on. Enjoy this nanny of a search engine, everybody.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Alter Falter! 10/10/13 1:54 PM
The solution is to use more explicit words, not only basic ones.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Google Boobs 10/10/13 2:00 PM
But the point is, we shouldn't have to. For years, we were able to do so without having to use more explicit words, now we have to change our ways, only in America? What is this nonsense?
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Alter Falter! 10/10/13 2:17 PM
Right, big deal. Searching for swear words of 5 year olds won't work anymore. :-)
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Google Boobs 10/10/13 2:25 PM
Changing the words we were searching for "different swear words" gives different results, as well. Searching for sex, and searching for fu*king provide different results. As well as searching for boobs, or t*ts. It's not quite as simple as you keep making it out to be. I'm going to assume you work for Google with the answers you are giving.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Alter Falter! 10/10/13 2:58 PM
Unfortunately not. Im just an unpaid fanboy of that ol' data kraken. :-)

Am Donnerstag, 10. Oktober 2013 23:25:51 UTC+2 schrieb Google Boobs:


> I'm going to assume you work for Google with the answers you are giving.

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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? auenlander 10/10/13 11:31 PM
Google won't change it's new sober policy - and why the heck they should? Because a few people like us are concerning here, in a forum that is poorly visited by outside folks? We aren't the majority - and the majority doesn't give a **** about Google changing anything. Google isn't loosing anything (especially no money) because of this change, so they will not change it back.

And in the unlikely case of Google-somebody reading this: To me it's not about p0rn. I don't care about that. If I need p0rn, I know where to look. I've used Google to search for various non-porn stuff... like fashion, steampunk, artistics, live roleplay, burning man festival and so on. Often there were (if safe search was OFF!) images which might be considered NSFW (if you're very picky), but often those got me to the most interesting (non-p0rn) websites.

And *that* is gone now. Broken by design. I have no idea what "specific magic words" I should use to get my non-p0rn NSFW stuff out of Google anymore, because I'm not looking for "steampunk p0rn" or "steampunk nude" or "steampunk xxx"... this is just not what I was looking for.

But, this thread is going on for quite a while now. No reaction from Google staff anymore, but people posting more and more nonsense & silly hate stuff - which is for sure the worst method of getting helpful attention for this topic anymore.

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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Jessica Schwartz 10/11/13 3:01 PM
Hello everyone,

A reminder that per our posting guidelines, we don't allow threatening, harassing, or bullying of other users. This includes using profanity to abuse others.  There's been a rash of violations over the past week on this thread and if that continues, we'll need to lock it.

Thanks,
Jessica

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Malik456555 10/11/13 7:20 PM
100% Agree with you
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Joanna Fugardi 10/13/13 12:03 PM
I agree with all before me.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Joanna Fugardi 10/13/13 12:05 PM
I agree with all above.
Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Stewart Kirkwood 10/13/13 2:32 PM
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Filip Attila Molnár 10/14/13 12:24 AM
Not just in America :/

Here in Hungary it is the same. I swiched to bing.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Bluckam 10/15/13 11:15 AM
Did you mean: "Afro-american D**K"?
;)
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Bluckam 10/15/13 11:20 AM
It seems google can't find one big enough to satisfy the search criteria ;)
Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Mikerise 10/15/13 2:48 PM
I use www.dodego.com which is very user friendly homepage.I recommend it to everyone.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Space Marine 10/19/13 10:19 PM
Same, I uncheck the box and get completely different results from Google and Yahoo, Yahoo being what I am used to finding and being much more relevant.


So my solution is to use Yahoo image search.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Muhammad.fazley Jimbun 10/21/13 1:37 AM
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? TheHatefulDead 10/21/13 4:49 PM
Bam!
teddy grassi banged that nail *right* on the head!
I logged in specifically to note that *no one* seems to have considered the implications here. Namely, that Google is telling us, "Sure, you can still find porn or whatever is under God's blue sky with our search engine... you just have to be really, REALLY EXPLICIT in your searches. You know, the searches that we collect EVERY bit and byte of data on, the searches that we HAPPILY allow the government to access at their whim".
Those here bitching about "censorship" are missing the bigger (and scarier) POINT:
You can still find your beloved T&A pics... if you say "Pretty please" and practically mail them your name and address!
And, finally, you all might want to take notice that this applies to ALL searches, not just ass pics (you wanna know/see the molecular structure of LSD...?  You'd like to see the after effects of the latest drone strikes in Pakistan...? No prob, just ask RIGHT).
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? xnamkcor 10/25/13 7:24 AM
What if the content I am searching for does use ambiguous terms? Or I don't want to use specific terms because that would overly narrow my results? Also, I hope you realise that at least 25% of your users are adults. Don't try to censor the internet. And, no, "make sure your query reflects this intent" is not acceptable. Google is just a machine with programming. It cannot realise my intent as well as you'd think.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? xnamkcor 10/25/13 7:25 AM
8/10
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? MarzEz 10/29/13 5:27 AM
I find it incredibly ironic that Google removed themselves from China because the internet censorship was against the company's morals... and yet this very same company is now applying filters to search results.
I'm not saying that safesearch is a bad idea. I'm not saying that you shouldn't be able to lock safesearch on. But you should also be able to turn it off.
I must regrettably inform whoever made the call to go ahead with these changes, that they are not my mother, and it is not their job to stop explicit results showing up in some of my searches - whether they contain explicit terms or not - without providing an option to opt out.
Last I checked, Google's (unofficial) motto was "Don't be evil". Well, hiding information which some people desire to see doesn't seem all that good to me, even if the best intentions are at heart.
Like I said; I have nothing against safesearch; I am only frustrated at the lack of ability to turn it off if I so desire.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Sam Wallart 10/30/13 2:42 AM
I just posted a similar complaint Google + will be left only with the nanny's But I also know of a few nanny's that want to see quality images. Trying to control users to this degree will hurt Google in the long term.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rick Stilwell 11/3/13 1:24 PM
I'm having the same problem. I'm sorry but it looks like I will be switching to Bing. I am getting much better results over there.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Meredith Brothers 11/3/13 8:24 PM
Almost a year later and this still isn't fixed. I'm disappointed, in Google, as a company, for deciding they get to make the decision as to what's acceptable for me to view and what's not, when they know I'm an adult and that I never used to filter my searches at all unless I, personally found the need.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Ash420 11/4/13 2:02 AM
Google thinks everyone should conform to their standards. I can see blocking underage kids from some images but when I was raised back in the 70's I was taught you had to lookout for yourself cause no one else will. I grew up fine without Google trying to control me when I became a young adult. just another example of corporate America trying to act like big government and control you as much as possible. THINK WHAT FREEDOMS WE WILL HAVE LEFT IN 10 TO 15 YEARS. someone needs to start putting an effort in to stop them before its too late. the American government don't want you to drink or smoke, so what do they do? tax cigarettes over 200 or 300 percent of their value and was told another tax hike for smokes on the way.
  but anyway last time I was on bing you could turn safe search off. I should be able too, i'm an American citizen for petes sake supposed o have freedom and rights.
  ooppps. looks like i'm about 10 months late in posting. guess honestly I never noticed the issue until I read this post, but there is a selection of safe search, off, moderate or on.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? TheReAlone 11/8/13 5:23 AM
Wow Google, way to F'ng censor the web!  Nice political non answer there Albert AYC.  Well folks, Flock to Bing and force Google to stop this.  We are not Fucking China and Google is not our mommy and daddy.  They need to be reminded who makes them their money and power.  This is a step in a fascist direction google.  Don't be evil!  lol what a fucking joke you people are.  All your doing is being able, handing data over to the NSA, now censoring search results based on what YOU deem is bad.  Good luck with that you commie bums.  I'm ditching.  and I will not be using a droid phone either unless you guys make a major u-turn on censorship ya dumb hypocrites!  
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? thestumblingblock 11/13/13 12:42 AM
I think you're missing the point by calling this an improvement. Denying people what they want is not an improvement. Just change it back. Seriously. Did you people honestly think people would be happy about being told what they can't see?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? vette_man44 11/14/13 2:09 PM
None of the attempts to disable safesearch have worked. I have unchecked the filter adult content and in yahoo I set it to off. Nothing disables it. What gives?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Brian Hammond 11/18/13 4:35 AM
Try searching for this: google images search sucks donkey balls

It is gimped.

Google has gotten used to kow-towing and now can't get over the joy of debasing themselves to censor the internet.

Don't bother complaining, they obviously don't care and can't be bothered to listen to what must be a minority opinion.

Whiney repressed jackasses apparently make up more of the majority of their bottom line.

Speaking of which, the bottom line is just use:  http://images.search.yahoo.com/ ; it will let you actually *disable safe search*!

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Mother 1111 11/21/13 1:47 AM
safe search is very important, most children from about the age of 4 these days know our to "google ", Recently l googled something about a type of food and porn images of guy men popped up on the screen - it is very lucky my 8 yo son didn't see this.  I'm still revolted by what l saw.
Only thing that really concerns me is that from all the parents l have spoken to not 1 of them was familar with safe search, nor how to activate it.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Mother 1111 11/21/13 2:01 AM
l should add it was this incident that made me review the safety of our computers/phones with web browsers, which is how l discovered safe search.
l believe safe search should be the default software & that you should need to take multiple steps to activate viewing explicit content.  Currently you need to take multiple steps to activate & 'lock' safe search for the search to be safe.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Shawn Jackson 11/21/13 2:23 AM
Honestly, I agree with you that the filtered results should be the default. You should start with maximum filtering.  If you want to turn it off,  however,  you should be able to,  right down to the level you were when you saw what you didn't want to see,  which is why many of us are angry,  because even when it's "off,"  it still filters results unless you are SUPER specific,  which can be it's own problem. I don't think you should have SafeSearch locked on to start, though.  Code locking settings so kids'  results and viewing allowances are filtered is a parent's  job,  not a corporation's.

I also agree that more in-depth tutorials, that aren't skippable and must be clicked to confirm they've been read, need to be added so that all parents are aware the feature exists and how to use  it properly.  The same should be done with video players and gaming consoles. Parents need to know that they CAN control what their children access, they just need to know where it is and how to use it so the grownups out there don't have to be filtered against their will.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? D Schwartz 11/25/13 1:31 PM
Excuse me am I in the wrong country, I thought i was in America where we have freedom of speech. I guess one day i woke up and someone decided (and gee it wasen't God) that all lf a sudden i couldn't search for pornography, naked people, freedon of expression, etc.

Oh I can still look for them but they (the idiots who censor what they think i should see) won't show the results. Sad , very sad.Now I know what it feels like to live in China, North Korea and other countrys where every thing is censored - newspapers. broadcast media the radio.  

Never thought ion my life time i would see corporation bull shit like this happen. Time to go underground and start thinking for myself again. I will be canceling any and all links to Google.
You guys blew it, totally blew any credibility  that you had.  D. Schwartz

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Wanker joe 11/27/13 5:40 AM
That slanty fellow is funny looking
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Mother 1111 11/29/13 12:43 PM
BLOCKING EXPLICIT MATERIAL SHOULD BE A DEFAULT SETTING
i believe that it is the corporations responsibility to block explicit material - as the default setting -
Firstly, If you go into a news agency, explicit material is in a sealed bag and therefore blocked from the eyes of the general public.
Consent is made by the purchaser when they open the bag and view the contents.
However, in the case of doing a google search for word or term generally not associated with explicit material - pornographic material can appear unless you go into google search setting and activate 'SAFE SEARCH Lock"  There has been no consent made by the end user to view explicit material and is therefore a type of sexual abuse and those that post it should be charged with sexual assault.

Secondly, paedophiles use a term or words used by children or on children's cartoons and link it to explicit material, so when a child searches this popular phrase used on a cartoon they are then exposed to pornography - this makes a child think explicit images portray normal behaviour. Nor is it surprising that children & others start posting & texting images of their own genitals.  

Thirdly explicit images linked with terms used on cartoons are used by deviants as a way of grooming minors and the innocent.  The subsequent ramifications of sexual abuse never leave the victims.  

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Ben Comans 11/29/13 12:58 PM
Mother1111

No offense, but I beleive its your responsability to protect your children from what they see or dont.
Dont be one of them parents that blame everyone else for how their children are raised.
It more sounds like you dont have any clue on how to use a search engine and its settings. I also dont think you have read what this thread is about.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Rekrul 11/29/13 2:56 PM

BLOCKING EXPLICIT MATERIAL SHOULD BE A DEFAULT SETTING
i believe that it is the corporations responsibility to block explicit material - as the default setting -

Our opinions differ on this point, however...

People aren't upset because Google is blocking explicit images by default, people are upset because it is no longer possible for those who want to see explicit images to completely turn the filters off. No matter what you do, Google is still applying some level of filtering and you have to play guessing games with your search terms to try and get what you want.

Personally, I've stopped using Google's image search and switched to Bing.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Another Grownup 12/1/13 11:21 PM
I don't like the way Google is filtering out adult sites. If I'm looking for something in my search, I want to see ALL the results, even if I'm NOT looking for explicit content... for instance, if porn sites are using some non-sexual tag (e.g., "Ford Trucks") to bring guys to their sites, I want to know that. I like to see what is going on with the web, and I don't want so much padding from Google.

Can anyone recommend another search engine? I've been using Google for so many years... I think my previous search engine was Altavista!

After using ONLY Google for a decade or more, I am ready to make a change.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? William Bisset 12/1/13 11:30 PM
Yup, [Another Grownup]! This is the reason I am following this forum. I find the "always on" filter mucks up these kind of variables. I would like to use vague searches to see what is out there. Because of this, I have to be too specific. I use Google for all my searches but I feel they are re-tailoring allot of the stuff I see. I don't like that. I miss the internet where I could find a page from the deepest depth of the web and not have my search results filtered to be safe, or things I looked at recently for example. ALl in all they screwed the algorithms up in some manner.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? GWizzard 12/2/13 10:39 AM
Use BING like everyone else who is disgusted with Google playing Net Nanny and censoring search results they deem unsuitable for 5 year-olds. Bing isn't as effective a search engine as Google (yet) but at least they still offer an OFF SETTING for their explicit content filter, whereas Google now forces G-rating child safe search on everyone, regardless of what lies they tell.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? ijustknow 12/4/13 1:40 AM
The reason why google's trying to lock our safe search is because of the new world order.
Also because the gouverment doesn't like us searching porn! Think about it, first at job interviews they check your search history and every message you've ever sent so your disencouraged to search porn or sex-chat on the internet because most people care about their jobs, and now they lock our search results with the poor exuse that (they dont wan't sexually explicit images in the comments section)
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Adil Alvi 12/5/13 9:46 AM
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Google_is_screwing_up 12/8/13 1:20 PM
WTF Its fine because the UK wanted to do it in some areas but know America.  I just started to like google + a little, because I recently started a youtube channel Youtube.com/pokebox, G+ makes it easy for me to see the youtube cominity and get subs kinda, actually it does nothing but im just use to it.  NOW YOU ARE HURTING YOUSELF MORE THAN ALREADY.  I use bing like 1 out of every ten searches,now I will use it all the time.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? asteve76 12/12/13 12:01 PM
This all started when Google agreed to filter negative search results concerning Tiananmen Square for the Chinese.
We should have seen it coming.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? karrynow 12/15/13 1:51 PM
On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 2:50:58 AM UTC-5, Rekrul wrote:
> I know most people don't want porn turning up in common searches, but there are times that I WANT to search for adult images.
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> Now, even when the Safe Search option is set to show the most relevant results, no adult images show up in the results! Nothing!
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> Try searching for something that can't possibly be misunderstood, like the word "blowjob" and all you get are humorous images. > What is Google's obsession with deciding what we're allowed to see? For years they've been hiding "similar" search results, now they're hiding results that they don't approve of? What the hell??? Who appointed Google the net's censor?


>
> I guess Google has decided that we all need a nanny to look after us on the net?
> There was a time, not too long ago, when you would have to exert yourself or at least embarrass yourself and get down to the seediest part of town to find the stuff that you are searching for with the click of a mouse.  Parents and others who actually care about preserving the innocence of children or decency in their own homes are unable to get away from pornography.  It sounds like you are so immersed in easily accessible porn that you are like a lobster slowly cooking without realizing it.  You want your porn and you want it it NOW. But really, it should be people who WANT the porn who have to work for it, not those of us who want to avoid it.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Tony Dạnza 12/18/13 1:28 PM
How long? Not very. A search for "titties" gets about the same result on the US, Canadian, and UK version.
On a side note, God, it enrages me to no end when these smug bastards mark themselves as the "best answer"
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Grace Hopper 12/19/13 10:21 PM
Actually ayc, it does. Here's a few examples:

Searching for:

"pussy on a chainwax" (the sketch by kay and peele for those unfamiliar) I not only want to see results for the sketch I also want to see results of, say, people who took it to the next level and made some FUNNY shit out of it. Got it? I expect to see some vaginas, but that doesn't bother me, cuz I am a FUCKING ADULT.

"pussy riot" - one (1) (fucking ONE!!!) result for the group and the next results is the wiki on "RIOT" ... yeah, like that's what I was looking for.

and last, but not least:

"blowjob porn" filters BOTH words, so you get NOTHING in the results, how more explicit would you like me to be?!?!?!?!

Anyway, it's been a blast. I already switched to bing, closed by G+ account and yeah, my name is not Grace. Hope you're fucking happy.

P.S: Funny how you "fight" the NSA, but this bullshit you think it's ok.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? El Chupacabras 1/11/14 8:56 PM
Ummmm it's 2014 and I still have the same issue... and it's not just for sexually explicit images. Some people need to get fired over at Google HQ.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Seitenmeister 1/12/14 2:43 AM
hi,
this is a really old discussion started in 2012 and i still can't see the problem.
when i search in Google-images i'm still able to get all the naughty stuff.
i would say you do something wrong with your searchqueries, try some different ones, because it works fine for me.

regards Seitenmeister
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? PiDicus Rex 1/12/14 3:16 AM
Here's a clue, go and try disable Safe search on your account.

Can't do it hey,... That's the first part of the problem.

Now, pull up a tab with Google Image and another with Bing Image, enter the same terms, if you see identical results to your searches, you'll know your seach provider is not filtering the results.

Tried it?

See how different the results are?

That's the second part of the problem with Google Image.

Try another test, type in 'Playboy' as your Google Image search term.
See how many of the results are citing Playboy.com as the owner of the images, but note also that Playboy.com is not the number one result?

That last item is proof that Google is filtering out domain's they don't want you to see,... which are probably the ones they don't get income from.

If you don't see the proof in any of the above, I'm 50/50 that you work for Google.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Seitenmeister 1/12/14 3:38 AM
hi PeDicus Rex
go and try disable Safe search on your accoun
yes there is a current bug, i bet Google will start working on this issue on monday.

 Tried it?
no.
first i don't use Bing, second it's comparing apples with peaches. the size of the indexes are a bit different (http://goo.gl/ihb0) and these are to different searchengines with complete different algorithms.

i have a complete different understanding on the term "filter".

sadly i don't work for Google, they pay good money and provide great food and other benefits.

but you are free to belief, whatever you want. i can use the imagesearch from Google without problems. and i know the internet is much more then any index.

regards Seitenmeister
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? PiDicus Rex 1/12/14 4:09 AM
If by 'Current Bug', you mean 'Documented change of policy',. yeah, sure, it's a bug.

And a different understanding of the term 'Filter' ?
Lets see - "to omit or order the results in a preferred manner",.. That's my definition of how Google filters results.

Of course, I could say "To omit or order the results to conform to a limited right-wing religious moralistic view", but that would just be cynical.

So would "to omit or order the results to conform with guidelines laid forth by the NSA".

I want raw, unfiltered results, and right now, Google doesn't do that.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Seitenmeister 1/12/14 4:36 AM
hi PeDicus Rex

If by 'Current Bug', you mean 'Documented change of policy',. yeah, sure, it's a bug.
no i meant this: https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/websearch/Y5z3v_PlsUg and other discussions about the same issue.
 

Lets see - "to omit or order the results in a preferred manner",.. That's my definition of how Google filters results.

no that is the work of the algorithms. for me a filter is a special exclusion list because the algorithms can't handle a URL/URI or content in an appropriate manner.
and this is done only in rare cases, see: section  "Manual Control and the Human Element" here: http://www.google.com/competition/howgooglesearchworks.html
 

I want raw, unfiltered results, and right now, Google doesn't do that.

no Google provides only the first X (unknown number) results, ranked by the algorithms. by your understanding, i guess that is filtering.

regards Seitenmeister

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? PiDicus Rex 1/12/14 7:01 AM
"no i meant this: https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/websearch/Y5z3v_PlsUg and other discussions about the same issue."

Nice, using an issue a few days old to distract from an issue nearly 2 years old.

Your grading in the Class of Subterfuge is : FAIL.

Get with it, the issue is that Google is CENSORING THE INTERNET.
It's not their responsibility.
It's not their mandate.
And it is just as offensive as if it was a government doing it.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Seitenmeister 1/12/14 7:15 AM
Nice, using an issue a few days old to distract from an issue nearly 2 years old.
no it is a current bug.
 
Get with it, the issue is that Google is CENSORING THE INTERNET.
ok you don't understand the internet, neither searchengines. i can live with that.
if you want to change this, take a look at this:  http://goo.gl/vlX0d

regards Seitenmeister

p.s.: eod i can't help you.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? jmtw000 1/12/14 7:36 AM
Hello,

Yes, this is a very old discussion. A discussion with points out a legitimate problem which Google has ignored. Here's the trouble; Let's say I'm an employer and I search the name of a prospective employee. Now, I'm not specifically looking for explicit results but if my prospective employee is in porn images all over the web I want to know that. Using Google's censored search, I'd never see those results. There is no way to get ALL RESULTS which exactly match your search term whether they are "adult" or not. This is only one example. There are many other scenarios where this censorship will get in the way. Do you understand the problem now?

Regards.

P.S. I've switched to using Bing for image searches since they treat me like an adult.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Jnk. 1/13/14 2:16 PM
Seitenmeister, are you a google employe? i can't find another reason for that white knighting. Maybe you only read the title? not even the first posts?

This is a old and legitimate issue. More than a year was passed and we are still getting heavily filtered results and no option to disable safe search completely.
Please read at least the first pages. Even my sister noticed how completely safe pages got somehow mismatched with unsafe and were gone from the first result pages even with safesearch partially disabled.

I also have noticed how search results have gotten worse in the past year. Sometimes you get totally random and unrelated results. Made me use bing a lot lately.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? GWizzard 1/13/14 6:08 PM
google now caters exclusively to frigid sexually repressed blue-haired church ladies and their 5 year old grandkids. I guess they feel the profit lies in being spiffy cub scout clean, they should change their logo & motto to 3 chimpanzees that say "hear no evil, speak no evil, have no fun"
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Seitenmeister 1/14/14 1:19 AM
hi Jnk.
no i don't work for Google. but i know how to use the searchengine.
i agree sometimes it is not easy and i have to do try different combinations of searchphrases.
but you can still find anything that is indexed and there is no censorship at all.
except the fact that not the complete internet is part of the index.

have you read the "best answer" on the first page?

regards Seitenmeister
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Jnk. 1/14/14 3:13 AM
Yes, read it a year ago. And i remember it had ~200 down votes at the time, now it is at ~800. I hope that tell you something.

Why is it so hard for them to let us completely turn off safe search and get unfiltered results like before?
After Microsoft totally dumbed down windows, ignoring the people who heavy use it for work and Google forced their "new features" like G+, gmail new compose, tablet style crap for every service on home PC users and a new completely crippled Youtube experience, It looks like big companies nowadays want to piss of their customers just for the sake of doing it.
Is it a new trend?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Seitenmeister 1/14/14 5:16 AM
now it is at ~800. I hope that tell you something.
yes ~800 people don't understand the voting system here. it's about "is a post useful or not".
when the official statement is that this is intended and you can still find everything when you ask the right queries they might change their queries to get these results.

there was never something like "unfiltered results before". since the beginning Google uses algorithms for the ranking.
searchengines aren't static, they evolve further or they die (often seen in the past 10 years).

all the products are Google property and they can design them however they want. if they fail, they loose the users and the revenue from advertising would drop.
that's how capitalism works. we all can give our feedback (even the special form is provided in that answer), that will be noticed by Google.

regards Seitenmeister
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? jmtw000 1/14/14 5:58 AM
Hello Seitenmeister,


    Since you know how to use the Google search engine perhaps you can tell me how I can search for an exact phrase and get all matching results whether they are "adult" in nature or not? I am not specifically looking for explicit content, but if my search terms match an explicit image, I want to see it. See my example above about searching a perspective employee's name.


Thanks.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Seitenmeister 1/17/14 2:35 AM
hi jmtw000,
no that's not possible. and i can only think of reasons why the search in your example shouldn't be done at all.

regards Seitenmeister
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? PiDicus Rex 1/17/14 3:35 AM
> no that's not possible. and i can only think of reasons why the search in your example shouldn't be done at all.

Right. So, Prude then, who doesn't understand anything about what the Search Customers want when using the products.

Clearly you are out-of-touch with what this whole feedback thread is about.


Google: it's time to fix this! To return the option to DISABLE SAFE SEARCH for anyone who doesn't want it.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? jmtw000 1/17/14 6:22 AM
Seitenmeister,

    Personally, I don't like the search in my example either. But, if you run a business which adheres to a certain image you're going to research prospective employees like that. This would never be the case for me, but what if you own a bible store or some other religious business? You're going to want to make sure you're not hiring porn stars right? But, let's forget about that example. Here's another. Say I'm a fan of a certain photographer who does both landscape and erotic photography. I want to see all of his works that are indexed by Google. Searching for just his name only gives me the prude-approved images. How do I get ALL of his photos? This is the problem and Google really should address it if they don't want to continue to lose advertising dollars to Bing.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Donald Engel 1/19/14 12:52 PM
I solved the problem!!!  I go to BING!!  It works.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? sup2069 . 1/19/14 2:28 PM
Hmm, I tried leaving google search but there is something seriously wrong with the other searches. The results seem unorganized and harder to find what you are looking for. I was used to google's searches and tried bing for a day and gave up.

Using bing is like telling a robot to go fetch information on something. It tries to tell you what a few others have told it to search for similarly and you agree. It comes back with a plethora of results forcing you to spend too much time doing it yourself.

Using google is like telling an A.I to fetch information on something. It then informs you on what others have told it to search for similarly and you agree. It then comes back with the results sorted, by relevance and viola you are on your way within the first 5 results.

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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? RochPoet 1/20/14 2:34 PM
What do you mean it "doesn't prevent anyone from getting the content they want to see?"!! I happened to be searching for a phrase (which was NOT sexually explicit) but which I was told would produce explicit results if I had the "old" "show explicit content" turned ON. But when I ran the search, the phrase was "hairy lollypop" (either spelling), I didn't get ONE explicit result!!! What you're saying is that you need to to know which words you need to add to "get the results you want to see," which more or less puts the cart before the horse. AND destroys the element of EXPLORING in Google. This MANDATORY features should rescinded and allow we, the users, to decide what we want to see!!
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? RochPoet 1/20/14 2:41 PM
What do you mean we'll get the "content we want to see?!!" That's nonsense. You may not KNOW what the complete content is. I searched on a non-explicit phrase, "hairy lollipop," and was told it would return explicit results, but your new setting resulted in NO such results.

I object to Google deciding how we're going to search for things -- we may have no idea what other words we should add to get certain content. And you're destroying the entire spirit of DISCOVERY that's a part of Google. Get rid of your MANDATORY settings and restore the old "Show explicit results" checkboxes.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? arun kale 1/21/14 11:16 AM
i am not been able t get normal view on my g mail accunt why/

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? MoCooter 1/21/14 9:09 PM
Dude!  You're ranting like a 2 year old!  Google doesn't care about you.  No one does.  You're a vapor...whitenoise.  Stop it and grow up...
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? stabed victim 1/22/14 1:20 AM
fuck that shit put it back  always fukin up some shit
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? lizbeth123 1/22/14 2:53 PM
I completely agree with you, but it is a tool for Google to keep tabs on what you are doing. Somehow this helps them make money (usually the bottom line) by creating ads and such that are more specifically geared towards your interests. It is also a way to get people to sign up for Chrome, which does this snooping even better. It makes me furious. I don't have any kids at home and couldn't care less what results show up, but I deserve the right to choose for myself. I tried, as I'm sure others have, to search for a very specific, very graphic word and I had hardly a result that would "match" what I'd expect to get, or what I would have gotten previously. The whole thing is such crap.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? hadi jack 1/24/14 10:11 PM
If I turn cookies off completely it gives me the normal option to in the dropbox to turn safesearch off. But it cant complete that request without cookies and therefore I'm stuck. Essentially the setting got locked on Moderate somehow
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Jeff Venom 1/27/14 1:07 AM
How can such a successful company just keep messing up NORMAL stuff and then refuse to listen to the people who are clearly stating what they want? They DESTROYED Youtube and it's a shame. Now they decide they have the right to filter our search results. God, I hate Google.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? m mahinda 1/28/14 7:18 AM
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Shelly Alexander 1/31/14 1:04 PM
If you are going insane without access to explicit material you may have a problem. Maybe the help you need is not with your computer but with an addiction? Porn addiction is a huge growing problem in our society, but help is available. :)
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? PiDicus Rex 1/31/14 6:35 PM
Yeah,... Thanks for that Shelley.
Now, how about you go and re-read the whole conversation thread, then you might get it.

This is not about 'The Porn",..

It is about Google CENSORING the Search Results.

Material of an Adult or Explicit nature is just the first thing they've taken the axe to, next comes anything criticizing Google, after that anything that differs from the political values of the management, and after that comes anything educational that helps the masses of the population learn how to throw off the shackles of oppression, while they quietly edit history to suit their own agendas.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? etacarinae 2/1/14 3:43 AM
On Saturday, 1 February 2014 05:04:21 UTC+8, Shelly Alexander  wrote:

> If you are going insane without access to explicit material you may have a problem. Maybe the help you need is not with your computer but with an addiction? Porn addiction is a huge growing problem in our society, but help is available. :)

You're either a blatantly obvious troll or you're happily living in either neo-communist Russia or communist North Korea. Take your sweeping moral absolution elsewhere.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Chadric Wiley 2/11/14 7:03 AM
fix it so we can search in school without getting in trouble I;e the watercolor sketches disgustings things come up and I am in art class
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? emmanuel familia 2/12/14 3:18 PM
WHY IS THERE SAFE SEARCH IT IS BULL SHIT!  
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? shamim alom 2/13/14 6:13 AM
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Seitenmeister 2/14/14 2:50 AM
hi jmtw000,
sorry for the delay, i've unsubscibed from this topic.
 in this case i would try:
name surname OR name surname erotic [or what label he uses to mark these kind of pictures]

you can even try the site-operator if you know the homepage of the photographer:

and many photographer use a special naming for their photos. in this case it might be possible to use:
inurl:_by_name-surname.jpg

regards Seitenmeister

On Friday, 17 January 2014 15:22:35 UTC+1, jmtw000 wrote:
Seitenmeister,

    Personally, I don't like the search in my example either. But, if you run a business which adheres to a certain image you're going to research prospective employees like that. This would never be the case for me, but what if you own a bible store or some other religious business? You're going to want to make sure you're not hiring porn stars right? But, let's forget about that example. Here's another. Say I'm a fan of a certain photographer who does both landscape and erotic photography. I want to see all of his works that are indexed by Google. Searching for just his name only gives me the prude-approved images. How do I get ALL of his photos? This is the problem and Google really should address it if they don't want to continue to lose advertising dollars to Bing.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? jmtw000 2/14/14 6:39 AM
Seitenmeister,

    I've just switched to using Bing for my searches, because they treat me as an adult and allow me to turn safe search off. But, your suggestions are not going to work very well. Maybe our hypothetical photographer does not make a distinction between "erotic" and non-"erotic" photos. So, now I have to know every label he may have used for possibly thousands of images and perform a search on each one, whereas before I could just turn safe search off and put his name in quotes. And the search by site may not work so well if he doesn't post all of his photos on his site. My point is, it should not be (and was not before the change) this hard for me, as an adult, to search out ALL content which matches my search query. As long as safe search is on by default, there's no reason to take away the ability to turn it off.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? haly wod 2/16/14 6:39 PM
they allow right now. just type pussy porn or any
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? etacarinae 2/17/14 5:54 PM
Yep. Another +1 for Bing.

There is no arbitrary 'semi' moderate safe search, which can't be turned off.

You simply turn Bing's "safe search" off.

On Tuesday, 3 December 2013 02:39:54 UTC+8, GWizzard wrote:
Use BING like everyone else who is disgusted with Google playing Net Nanny and censoring search results they deem unsuitable for 5 year-olds. Bing isn't as effective a search engine as Google (yet) but at least they still offer an OFF SETTING for their explicit content filter, whereas Google now forces G-rating child safe search on everyone, regardless of what lies they tell.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Schanked 2/18/14 7:15 AM
You either need better parenting skills or a good orgasm to loosen you up. Stop blaming the world and everyone else for your failure as a parent!

On Friday, November 29, 2013 2:43:54 PM UTC-6, Mother 1111 wrote:
> BLOCKING EXPLICIT MATERIAL SHOULD BE A DEFAULT SETTING
> i believe that it is the corporations responsibility to block explicit material - as the default setting -
> Firstly, If you go into a news agency, explicit material is in a sealed bag and therefore blocked from the eyes of the general public.
> Consent is made by the purchaser when they open the bag and view the contents.
> However, in the case of doing a google search for word or term generally not associated with explicit material - pornographic material can appear unless you go into google search setting and activate 'SAFE SEARCH Lock"  There has been no consent made by the end user to view explicit material and is therefore a type of sexual abuse and those that post it should be charged with sexual assault.
>
> Secondly, paedophiles use a term or words used by children or on children's cartoons and link it to explicit material, so when a child searches this popular phrase used on a cartoon they are then exposed to pornography - this makes a child think explicit images portray normal behaviour. Nor is it surprising that children & others start posting & texting images of their own genitals.  
>
> Thirdly explicit images linked with terms used on cartoons are used by deviants as a way of grooming minors and the innocent.  The subsequent ramifications of sexual abuse never leave the victims.

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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Julio Espinales 3/4/14 10:54 AM
tank you for help
wait can see image adult?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? treyshon phinazee 3/10/14 7:35 AM
I want to see inappropriate things
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? edwradw 3/11/14 10:07 AM
 This SafeSearch feature is becoming a standard practice by all search engines. Google was the first. This subject has been before the Supreme Court and it was found that this type of Censorship is un-Constitutional. Google can provide the consumer the ABILITY to block content, but that is not what they are doing. Google is FORCE blocking content where the consumer is blocked despite their wishes, and the SafeSearch CANNOT be deactivated by anybody but them (or hackers).
   
GOOGLE,
   This is just like TV or the radio...if you don't like what is on...CHANGE THE CHANNEL. You have no right to block consumers from content. That is OUR RIGHT, NOT YOURS.
Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? shamnad delight 3/15/14 12:34 AM
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? metalmichael13 3/15/14 1:55 PM
this day and fucking age google is censoring the web .
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Seitenmeister 3/16/14 4:45 AM
@metalmichel13 the Google index is only about 0,03% of the web. and if you search explicit the image search shows every legal stuff (that's part of the index). that is no censorship. but great that you've found this issue from the 12/11/12 in time.
regards Seitenmeister
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? PiDicus Rex 3/16/14 5:38 AM
Yes, thank you Seitenmeister, we all know your opinions and useless comments that completely miss the point that's being made.

How about going back and reading the whole conversation before poking your head up and pontificating about technical issues when we're campaigning about social and moral ones.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? TRD12 3/17/14 8:25 AM
Are you not listening? We don't want or need yet another net nanny. The filter results can be turned on or off and that should be sufficient.

40 likes, 927 dislikes. Tap tap this thing on?

Please, please do not turn into Microsoft.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? kit lulow 3/18/14 1:21 AM
ke porn it seems to mbe everywhere i do not likr it.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Seitenmeister 3/22/14 12:37 AM
On Monday, March 17, 2014 4:25:10 PM UTC+1, TRD12 wrote:

40 likes, 927 dislikes.

you don't get it. these are 40 people who understand that this answer is helpful and 933+ people who don't get it.
this not-issue is over a year official answered by a Googler:
that is intented and for the majority of the user useful, the rest of you simply has to learn how to search porn.

regards Seitenmeister
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? PiDicus Rex 3/22/14 1:19 AM
Or, it's 40 people who are willing to blindly accept what they are told, and 900+ who are disappointed with Google's acts to Censor the web, instead of providing search results that include ALL results from a search, without requiring specific modifiers to bypass the net-nanny attitudes of whomever is making the decisions.

I'm beginning to wonder whether you are capable of understanding what the word 'Censorship' means, and it's impact of freedom of speech, and freedom of information.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Seitenmeister 3/22/14 1:40 AM
On Saturday, March 22, 2014 9:19:10 AM UTC+1, PiDicus Rex wrote:
Or, it's 40 people who are willing to blindly accept what they are told, and 900+ who are disappointed with Google's acts to Censor the web, instead of providing search results that include ALL results from a search, without requiring specific modifiers to bypass the net-nanny attitudes of whomever is making the decisions.
no, you still don't get it. the "buttons" are well described. it's not as hard as you think. but you have to think, just a little bit.

I'm beginning to wonder whether you are capable of understanding what the word 'Censorship' means, and it's impact of freedom of speech, and freedom of information.

yeah me too. you can find everything in the Google-index there is no censorship. you simply have to use the right queries.
but hey let's call it 'censorship' because i don't see tit-results when i'm not searching for them.
may be you should try a vacation in one of the countrys where the internet is censored, you might understand the difference then.

regards Seitenmeister
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? dissapointedWithGoogle 3/22/14 3:17 AM
Has Googles image search changed again, I didn't really notice the change they implemented a while ago, always managed to find what I was looking for easily. But it seems to have suddenly become highly censored.
I've put up with their tracking and spying up to now but this is too far.
Definitely time to move to Bing. It's a shame as Google used to be the best but they are slowly eroding any good will they had with their customers, which they will find is very hard to get back.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Seitenmeister 3/22/14 8:30 AM
@dissapointedWithGoogle
please do not explain your critic, someone might read it and eventually it could lead to a change.
from my searches it is still working, but they change things all the time.

regards Seitenmeister

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? dissapointedWithGoogle 3/22/14 12:34 PM
I'm pleased that you like it, however you are in the vast minority.
You can see most people think it's terrible.

Post as many rebuttals as you like but you won't changes peoples opinion or user experience.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Seitenmeister 3/23/14 10:09 AM
i have no problem with this non-issue, i can live with it and search for everything.
and i'm sure not part of the minority, only in this missused, old, answered thread.
i'm saying if you just say: "it's bad" without any examples or explanation, you can spare your time, because no one could react to this kind of critic proper.

regads Seitenmeister
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? dissapointedWithGoogle 3/23/14 11:33 AM
Again not sure why you feel the need to reply if you're happy with the search. This thread is for people who feel it's worse than the old version. do you work for Google? Is it your personal coding that people don't like? As for this 'old thread being answered', it still seems fairly active to me, and go look at the down votes on the 'answer' it seems you ARE in the minority.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Seitenmeister 3/24/14 1:44 AM
no i do not work for Google, but in this case i complete agree with their decission.
i don't want to see inappropriate results if i'm not searching for them and i still can search for everything (even when it's sometimes a task to find the best queries).
this is a forum to discuss issues with the websearch, and here is no real issue only because you give the searchengine wrong searchphrases.
once again, the red and green "votes" aren't votes, they mark the usefulness of an answer.
and when an official Google employee writes this is intended and you can still search for everything, you only have to ask the right question,
then is this answer quite usefull, even if you disagree with the decission.
but i see you have again no example or a concrete critic, seems to me you don't have a real problem, you just don't like it.
thats ok, but why then bother this forum, without giving critic that can be used to improve the algorithms?

regards Seitenmeister
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? dissapointedWithGoogle 3/24/14 2:00 AM
As you have already stated, you are happy with the search function, so why are you still posting in this thread? I suggest you go and start one for those who like it. The only reason I can see you replying to anyone that posts here is to cause arguments, please stop trolling.
Over 30 pages of people complaining is not a non issue.
The search function is not as good as it used to be, people have to jump through hoops to find what they want. Google is censoring what it shows, by their own admission, in case someone sees something that offends them, this is not a good thing. Hence why there are so many complaints. Also you obviously don't understand why people are down voting the answer, it's because they don't agree with what the guy was saying and showing Google they are not happy.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? PiDicus Rex 3/24/14 2:22 AM
I'm inclined to think that Seitenmeister (or, roughly translated Site Master ) is simply posting useless shit as a method of upping the post count to increase the user star rating.

So I'm happily going back through all of the many pages of repies and marking all of Seitenmeisters post with a click on the down arrow for "I don't think this reply is helpful",... as NONE of Seitenmeisters answers have been at any way help to those of us providing Google with feedback via this forum.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Seitenmeister 3/24/14 8:54 AM
<ot>
i don't care about my level and using the red arrow has no influence on this, just sayin.
those of us providing Google with feedback 
"i don't like it" / "bring it back" is not the most productive feedback.
and i only participate in this discussion to point out some plain lies that are mentioned.
if anyone would ever present a real problem i would be happy to help with ideas to solve the search issue.
but i'm still waiting, looks like my opinion is becomming a bigger problem, then the fact that you simply have to enter the correct querries to become the results you wants.

regards Seitenmeister
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Student 241648 3/25/14 8:57 AM
i agree with u lol we should be able to search whatever we want to its our choice the the stupid schools,its my life,if i wanna search porn let me search porn or whatever i want to search....
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Student 241648 3/25/14 8:58 AM
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Student 241648 3/25/14 8:58 AM
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Ozric13 3/26/14 10:40 PM
Hi everyone, I also found this bloody annoying, but found a simple answer.

If you are looking for adult content but its being filtered even with safe search off, just add XXX after the search term.

Worked for me.

Cheers

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Ozric13 3/26/14 10:44 PM
Hi Everyone

I also was getting stressed at adult content being blocked even with filtering turned off.

I found a simple solution, just put XXX after the search term.

Worked for me, cheers

Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Nway N 3/29/14 7:41 AM
Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Nway N 3/29/14 7:41 AM
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? T. Stanford Mommaerts-Brown 3/31/14 7:23 PM
So, How do we do that? And, still, there is no answer as to why Google has decided to be come an internet censor.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Seitenmeister 3/31/14 11:59 PM
On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 4:23:33 AM UTC+2, T. Stanford Mommaerts-Brown wrote:
So, How do we do that? And, still, there is no answer as to why Google has decided to be come an internet censor.

simply use explicit language and you'll get all the naughty stuff the index can present you.
it's not as hard as you think and it is no censorship at all.

i'm pretty sure there are more people, parents and kids offended by stuff they weren't looking for then people who aren't able to search for porn.

regards Seitenmeister

 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Phoenix Gooch 4/4/14 6:55 AM
me too.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? kenneth brand 4/9/14 10:43 AM
I guess that the they feel that control is needed. Any form of human freedom or self-expression is a total threat! Making sure that your browser is not capable of doing what you want, is just another way of suppressing inner talent.

It really is a pain when we are blocked from searching!

Everything is about behavior, change behavior, or control behavior, or something else to block connection between behavior.

At home with the baby sitter, without a choice! Nasty!

Cheers all and keep on talking............

 

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Seitenmeister 4/10/14 1:20 AM
hi,
i'm a bit curious, why many of you simply don't understand this.
this discussion was answered, a long time ago. and the answer is:
you can still search for everything you want, the only change that was made is, that the "naughty" stuff won't be a result when you are not searching for it.
simply use some explicit searchphrases. xxx was mentioned in this discussion and it's working quite well. other words work as well.

has anyone an example where legal naughty stuff can't be found?

i'm able to search for really disgusting things. but only if i want to do this.

regards Seitenmeister
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? PiDicus Rex 4/10/14 2:30 AM
"i'm a bit curious, why many of you simply don't understand this."

Possible answers,.

Because you think this is about technology when it's about censorship.

Because you're a Google Stooge who believes everything Google does is amazing so they can't be wrong. (A variation of the Apple Fan-boys who worship Steve Jobs)

Because you're an idiot who doesn't comprehend the reasons people have been telling you why for the last several pages worth of posts?

Maybe you''re just not capable of understanding that you're wrong, and should just stay away from this forum thread?

You get to choose which answer best suits.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? PiDicus Rex 4/10/14 2:34 AM
"has anyone an example where legal naughty stuff can't be found?"

Go back through the previous messages, you'll find exactly where I told you how to find the differences, and where you refused to do so.

Clue. "Playboy",... Google vs Bing.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Seitenmeister 4/10/14 4:27 AM
<ot>
yes that you PiDicus Rex don't understand anything, i've realized.
but that doesn't matter.
the "Playboy" example is a great example for not understanding anything at all.
even if they have a brand, why should Google think these results are more important? only because they've decided to use a common word for their brand?
and with the site: operator you've found a solution, even if you don't understand it 
but sure it must be censorship because you can't search, sounds logical.

regards Seitenmeister
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? GWizzard 4/10/14 6:35 PM
Who gets to define what "naughty" is or isn't? You? Me? Google? I frequently surf for art photography which often includes nudity but by my definition isn't "naughty" "XXX" or PORN. So why am I adding an XXX or my search terms??? Bottom line is I don't need Google thinking for me or deciding what's safe, clean, child friendly, porn, xxx or anything else for that matter. I switched to Bing last year when all this crap began and I realized I was only seeing material suitable for 5 year olds, and I'm not going back to Google image search until they totally lift the filter. That means safe search OFF COMPLETELY! Show EVERYTHING relevant to my specific search words. I'm not about to waste my life dreaming up hacks and tricks and special words or characters to bypass this idiotic Google Net Nanny filter/net censorship. What BS
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Seitenmeister 4/10/14 10:41 PM
@jmtw000
also you have deleted your post, you might want to take a look at this:

@GWizzard
guess what, Google defines this. because it is their index, their searchengine, their algorithm and they are providing their services for a majority.
i still don't get how this could be censorship. you can search for everything that is part of the image index.
but you are free to use another searchengine if you don't want to use Google because you can't find phrases where the results pleases you.

regards Seitenmeister
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Douglas Penn 4/11/14 10:45 AM
then why when I search specifically using the name of a hentai, I get the images I want but they are "intentionally blurred" by google search...and do not patronize me my stuff is set to off and to not filter, I am completely PC literate, so do not try to say just clear your cache or some round about answer. I don not like being handled and I do not like my crap being censored against my will.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? SL  4/12/14 5:59 PM
You don't seem to get it, the algorithm worked perfectly previously, they have doctored the back end to break the results.

If I search for the name of a porn star who is famous for one very particular picture or something, I won't find that picture.  If I search for someones name who is famous for one particular one lewd act - the image results will basically not even return that person, even if that's the one famous thing they did.

The old algorithm for images always found what I wanted, when I wanted it - the new system is not as reliable as they are futzing with the results.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Enis Zejnoski 4/16/14 5:53 PM
Sorry but, this is more than retarded. Much of the porn is blocked especially hardcore things and fetishes and Loli is completely gone. Are you serious? And it's not just Google. THE GOV CAN FUCK OFF. I really don't want to start to use the deep web. I hope you get your hands cut off for doing sh*t like this.
Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Linko Linko 4/17/14 8:37 AM
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? lolo lolo 4/17/14 11:23 AM
Funny. It's been a long time since I switched to bing (witch uses the google API).
I believe apart brain deads, everyone made that move. Google as a mandatory part of US services helps NSA to spy all over the world. We all know that now and it is a fact that haven't even been contested.

Despite all we know now about this company, there are still arrogant freaks like the one above to explain us everything is normal and under control. No attention to be paid to that kind of mercenaries, but a little message for their bosses: you'"re losing control and you know that. You're scared to death because of this and you go deeper everyday into lies. Now your lies can't even be believed by a 5yo kid because they're so enormous. This case is a good example of this. This is obvious censorship contol, most likely ordered by some deep state agency, under the control of no one, as usual.

Google employees, you better hide your status because it could be soon a real threat for you all. Time for revenge has come.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Tastentier 5/2/14 6:36 AM
You can still disable safe search by adding "&safe=off" to the search URL. Go to your browser preferences, look for the search engine settings, modify those, and change the URL to http://www.google.com/search?q=%s&safe=off . This will completely disable all censorship, except for conten that has been removed after DMCA (copyright related) complaints.

However, keep in mind that you will still need to add the term "porn" to some search terms. For example, if do an image search for "breasts", Google modifies the results to show you only non-pornographic things like cosmetic surgery or breast cancer related images. In order to prevent that, search for "breasts porn" instead. This is not necessary if you search for terms that are already explicit in nature.

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? john2james 5/2/14 2:31 PM
If this is accurate, it's all we ever needed. The whole issue goes away. It's fine for Google to ask for a little cooperation on our part, to prevent families from accidentally getting results they don't want and were never looking for. It would not be OK to impose right-wing search controls on everybody.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? GWizzard 5/3/14 3:08 PM
Again, WHY would I, as a Google user, want to alter my search query to bypass, accommodate, satisfy, Google's mysterious safe search filters?, when the OBVIOUS SOLUTION is as simple as an OFF SWITCH, such as Bing provides? Would Lord Google like to pay me for the time I wasted thinking about that? No I think not. I don't even use Google search for NON-PrOn anymore, because quite frankly it takes too much effort to open a new tab, when Bing is already providing the results I wanted. I used to like Google, way back in the days before they began second guessing me and TELLING ME what I'm thinking, or should be thinking, rather than politely ask and provide. Back before they began steering traffic way off course to suit their obvious social/political/legal/financial/global agenda.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? xfilion 5/5/14 3:35 AM
I actually want the opposite. I've set up Safesearch to filter out porn and explicit images but it doesn't work. When I tested it I still get porn images and site's. How do I gat a complete block?
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Cole Samoth 5/15/14 11:53 PM
Google needs to SLOW... DOWN... Big time.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? helpfful 5/16/14 5:54 AM
Fuck you Google.  Switching to Bing for quite a few of my searches at this point.  When Bing first came out I was skeptical.  In fact I would probably have almost never used Bing.....  until Google started turning into a nanny state helper (on top of spying for the Government).  Thanks for opening my eyes Google!  Bing actually is an alternative.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Gigglepuss93 5/22/14 3:40 PM
I find this whole situation to be quite irritating. Instead of simply searching Google Images (which is completely safe for my laptop) for the images I am wanting to see, I have to go to some less than reputable sites (which always pose a threat to the well being of my laptop). I wish to have my freedom back. I wish to be able to browse through images I wish to see, as I please. Please remove this new "Safe Search" setting... or, I'm afraid my laptop will suffer the oncoming plague of viruses.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? PhilM80 5/23/14 3:51 PM
This is not an "improvement" this is garbage nanny state bullshit pure and simple
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Krystak 5/25/14 6:12 AM
I changed my search engine. My current search engine is BING SEARCH. AVOID google SEARCH and change it to another search. Its simple.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? helpfful 5/25/14 11:35 AM
Do you really think people would have an issue if what you wrote were true?

No.  Google has made turning off it's "Safe" search impossible (as the title of this thread proves).  That's why people are mad.  Not because they can't be bothered to click an obvious button.

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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? helpfful 5/25/14 11:39 AM
How are you this fucking stupid.  No you can't search because the "filter Safesearch" button DOES NOT WORK!  People are unable to use this service and so they are upset because the service provided used to actually work.

So stop being a patronizing ass and go fuck off somewhere else you little, pathetic man.

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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? helpfful 5/25/14 11:47 AM
You should look at this www.google.com.

Do you even know the site, seems like you've never visited?

Anyways, the safe search toggle doesn't work, it's not possible to use Google in this way, maybe when you hit puberty you'll be bothered to visit and search for porn (I'm positive no woman will have you) instead of stupidly believing everything Google tells you is true.

How do you even get to a level 10 anyways?  Do you just spend all day here being a complete asshole?

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? RUN WIDGET 5/27/14 2:36 PM
I don't want to look specifically for "blow job", but I totally support Krystak and other GOOGLE users' rights to search for whatever they want.  This limitation does not only effect explicit results, but ALL GOOGLE search results - whether it's for genealogy, medicine, or ANYTHING - not just "blow job"!  I've wondered why GOOGLE search results were excluding sites it used to show, and I've wondered what happened to my ability to change search settings.  Now I know, and I find GOOGLE deciding what I can and can't see, as an adult, more offensive than the remote possibility that I will get an unfiltered glimpse at a blow job.  Why can't I change search settings like I used to be able to do?  I never got unasked for explicit results in all my years of using GOOGLE.  Now I can't get non-explecit results that are necessary for research.
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Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Francis Carl 5/30/14 10:14 AM
Who asked for more quality in the search?


This seems Google frills!

Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? PiDicus Rex 6/1/14 1:59 AM
Hrm, intriguing....

So there have been posts appear and be deleted lately, and they appear to be replies to other posts for which I didn't get notifications.
I'm guessing I know whose posts I don't see anymore, shall have to check how many of my comments have been deleted on this complaint thread.
Of course, as I have my notifications set the way I like, I see every post that appears, just after it's made, and there's a record of them in my email,... which makes me wonder why threads have posts deleted, outside of the colourful language used by Adults, who are voicing an opinion on an Adult censorship issue.

And just to check, I recently did the image search Playboy test again for "Playboy", "playboycom", and " site://www.playboy.com "
"Playboy" gets clean images of the magazines covers, from other websites.
"playboy.com" gets less results of the same.
" site://www.playboy.com " gets ONE result, the corporate logo, and not from the Playboy website!!

Seems Google Image Search is permanently broken, if you get no results from a specific search aimed at just one website, then that website is being Censored from the results.

It also seems strange that the company whose logo was "Do no evil", does more then Microsoft.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? PiDicus Rex 6/1/14 2:03 AM
Yet, amusingly, posting the website name in the post above, leads to the forum engine automatically hotlinking to the Playboy website.... Go Figure.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Seitenmeister 6/1/14 2:32 AM
the deleted posts have violated the Posting guidelines.
i see different results then you for the playboy test. may be playboy.com doesn't provide pictures of the magazine covers.

regards Seitenmeister
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Richard Freitas 6/5/14 1:25 AM
Let's see searching for search term "best boobs" turns up mostly worksafe  photos of large breasted women most nude photos are excluded because you can't turn off safesearch. I gave up on google and use bing now. The companies rationale for not letting us turn off safe search completely is bogus.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Tan Surender 6/17/14 1:54 AM
pls help me off safe search
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Seitenmeister 6/17/14 2:17 AM
hi Richard Freitas,
why haven't you tried "best naked boobs" or "best boobs xxx" ? the results look like expected.

@Tan Surender if this: https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/510?hl=en isn't enough for you, you need to use different searchphrases.

regards Seitenmeister
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Richard Freitas 6/17/14 5:59 AM
No I have not. I should not have to... by adding those descriptive terms I would be eliminating other images I may want to see. And if i am searching for something using general terms because I am not sure exactly what it is I am looking for I can no longer rely on Google.  Which is why I use bing now.  This change rivals that of new coke for stupidity
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Seitenmeister 6/18/14 3:26 AM
but you've realized, that this change is from december 2012 and it seem to work acceptable for a majority?
the engine has always and will always show you the by algoritm decided most (likely) useful results.

regards Seitenmeister
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? starwars2099 6/18/14 12:05 PM
But you see most people do NOT find it acceptable that's why there was outrage when it changed. There's a saying that says it it ain't broke don't fix it. And google search worked fine. There was no need to change. Now I use bing where safe search can go off completely because there's TONS of things I can no longer find on google image search. 

Once bing has the ability to find things by size like google images can, I will no longer use google image search. 
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? CrazyIvan865 6/19/14 5:01 PM
The faggot RIGHT HERE is the reason I can't touch myself at night. GRRRRRR! :*(
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Brandon Sandford 6/20/14 11:23 AM
I am switching to bing....Fuck google. I want freedom to search what I want. I tried to search a picture of a man getting attacked by a lion and I get nothing.
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Jesse Nazaire 6/24/14 1:37 PM
thank you very much
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Jesse Nazaire 6/24/14 1:38 PM
you can look at any pictures or photos you wnat to
Re: Safe Search is now MANDATORY for image searches??? Ralph Palumbo 7/8/14 2:11 PM
I agree nobody has the right to tell me or anyone else what they can or can't search for. Every one should stop using Google until those childish Nimrods at Google grow the fuck up! Is this America or Amerika? What's next, Internet thought police? An Internet version of travel papers? Where will stop at?

Again to those childish Nimrods at Google "NOBODY FUCKING WANTS THIS!!!"

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