|The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||vagabond1023||11/3/11 1:27 PM|
The Timeline feature was extremely useful in finding information because it helped filter out the possible links that were published outside the timeperiod being searched.
I know that by accessing the archive feature in Google News, part of the timeline tool can still be used. But this covers only certain newspapers. It does not cover periodicals, directories, books etc., for which Timeline was an invaluable filter in finding kernels of information from all the chaff. The set custom date feature is absolutely worthless. Often it gives no results, and if one returns to standard search, lots of results are listed, including results dating from the custom date feature.
I also know I can try a separate search using Google books using the Any Time feature, which works somewhat better than Google News archive. However, the timeline aspect is of limited use and value. If I search for Daniel Sharp Ford and limit the search period to the Nineteenth Century, I get over 5,000 hits in Google books, and no ability to readily sort by year within that entire period.
By removing Timeline from basic web search, and leaving remnants scattered in other parts of Google search, searching becomes much more fragmented, inefficient, and difficult, with no assurance that one is retrieving all the links that one could previously and readily find using the Timeline feature in the Web Search.
Is there any way currently of using some combination of search tools to reproduce the entirety of the results one could previously generate by year or decade using Timeline?
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||Kelly F||11/3/11 2:14 PM|
Thanks for posting about this. While we the Timeline feature itself has been discontinued, you and other users can still restrict your searches to particular time periods by using the refinement tools on the left hand side of the search page.
Additionally, if you wish to see graphs with historical results for a web search, you can use google.com/trends or google.com/insights/search/ for data since 2004. For more historical data, the "ngram viewer" in Google Books offers similar information (http://books.google.com/ngrams).
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||Yellow_Evan||11/3/11 5:11 PM|
Why was it discontinued?
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||gonzaloguaiquil||11/3/11 5:42 PM|
Are you going to implement a tool like timeline in the near future? Sure, you can cover certain time with the "time restriction", but you can't order your search from older to the newest fro example.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||Yellow_Evan||11/3/11 7:06 PM|
I was just asking, gez
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||vagabond1023||11/4/11 5:53 AM|
Thanks for replying, and quickly.
The problem with the suggested alternatives to replace Timeline is they either don't work, or function poorly. It seems that Google has discontinued a functional search tool, and replaced it with a much poorer tool(s).
Let me illustrate using a specific example.. A search for Daniel Sharp Ford and the various search results. (Ford was born in 1822 and died in 1899.)
Using standard web search:
"Daniel Sharp Ford", 6,800 results
Daniel Sharp Ford, 182,000,000 results
Using news archives:
Daniel Sharp Ford, 74,600 results
"Daniel Sharp Ford", 49 results
"Daniel Sharp Ford" using custom date range (01/01/1822 - 01/01/1922), 5 results.
Using Google books:
Daniel Sharp Ford, 195,000
"Daniel Sharp Ford" using Any Time (a no dates filter), 10,500.
Daniel Sharp Ford using 19th Century as an Any Time filter, 6,730.
"Daniel Sharp Ford" using 19th Century as an Any Time filter, 37
Daniel Sharp Ford using /ngram viewer with a date range of 1800-1900, zero results.
Thus, it is now feast or famine. What Timeline allowed one to do was refine the results by readily going to a specific year or decade, and looking at the results for that period, and to do so in a consolidated manner within the basic web search function.
And now, I can't even reconcile why an identical search term used in searching Google books yields more results than when the same search term in used in a basic web search.
Sorry to say, but it doesn't seem that discontinuing Timeline has made research any easier, or simpler, or less demanding of one';s time.
Thanks again though for replying.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||Elektribe||11/4/11 7:15 AM|
It was also useful for when you don't know the time range, and in fact are looking for the range by frequency / potential earliest dates for things. Google trends doesn't cover as large a time range or have date ordered links to view for determining relevancy thus there's also no feedback for search refinement to even determine proper year frequencies. Sort by date through a range could be slightly helpful but nowhere near as quick and informative, it's also broken in that sort by relevance brings up pages of links but switching to sort by date 'does not match any documents.' So it's not as useful for searching historical context as well.
I really hope this feature gets re-implemented. Until then I guess I'm out of luck for doing these sort of useful searches.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||Kelly F||11/4/11 11:42 AM|
I appreciate you all pointing out the differences. It's important for other users to know the functionality and limitations of both features.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||AnaGonz||11/4/11 12:37 PM|
Why was this amazing search tool discontinued? Now is more difficult to search thing chronologically. The problem with the suggested alternatives is they don't give you a good look of things in a real timeline.
Is possible to put it back again?
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||vagabond1023||11/4/11 1:51 PM|
There is an article in today's NY Times about Google having made a major change to its search algorithm, so that searches will produce more timely results, even near instantaneous results.
Perhaps, the disappearance of Time Line is related to that. The new algorithm may be wonderful if tomorrow afternoon I am looking for the score of tomorrow's Stanford football game, but good luck trying to wade through the search results if I'm looking for an account of a Stanford football game from 40 years ago.
The value and beauty of Time Line was that it was efficient and effective at producing results that weren't timely.
A suggestion. Google cautions that setting custom dates for a search of the News Archive only works for articles published after 2001. Why not resurrect Time Line and caution that it is NOT to be used for searches for sources published (or dated) after 2001. That would allow Time Line to again be used to help sort through the historical-type archives on Google.
Let me illustrate how unhelpful a Google web search looking for historical sources has become with another example: The Battle of Rorke's Drift, which was fought in January 1879.
A web search for Rorke's Drift yields 346,000 results.
Yet a web search using custom dates of 01/01/1879 - 01/01/1880 for Rorke's Drift generates this:
"Your search - Rorke's drift - did not match any documents. Reset search tools
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||DimitriAu||11/5/11 3:12 AM|
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||witcheskat2||11/5/11 9:18 AM|
Is there any hope of this feature being returned? It's obvious just from these few posts that it is already being missed. It was a wonderful tool and nothing else on Google compares, both for the type of information and the ordering of it. I'm a university student and half way through my dissertation and have just logged on to try and find a date about some information that I stumbled across in the first place on timeline only to find that it's gone and nothing replaces it and I now have to rewrite a substantial chunk of my work to date and refocus my research in a slightly different area. This is the first time I have ever had cause to be displeased or unsatisfied with Google and have ended up using other search engines. Most disappointing.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||cathysinoz||11/6/11 12:42 AM|
I too would like to add my voice to this forum and beg please! bring back the timeline search function. As a Teacher Librarian in a high school, I showed this to so many students and it was most helpful in giving them the big picture - how events shaped up. None of the news archive suggestions give this overview. Such a shame to remove it.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||Thomas P.||11/6/11 3:38 AM|
I'm curious. What search engines are you teaching and/or using yourself ?
What search engines have you ended up using, and how ? Examples are nice :-)
- I'm guessing that this might also provide helpful clues to others here missing Google's timeline feature.
I'm unable to reproduce it being broken, could you please give an example of a search where it's broken ?
Google BooksSearch & Google WebSearch are not necessarily searching the same body of data and the algorithms are different!
As to the number of search results, then ... Google tells you that there's "About N result".
To Google, "About" means that they've multiplied the realistic number of results by a factor of anywhere from 2 to 10,000.
Note: It been like that for many years, and is highly plausible connected to the fact that Google makes a living from advertising.
I just tried the below:
Google WebSearch: [ "Daniel Sharp Ford" ]
About 15,600 results : https://www.google.com/search?complete=0&hl=en&safe=off&q=%22Daniel+Sharp+Ford%22
Realistic: 157 results: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Daniel+Sharp+Ford%22&num=100&hl=en&safe=off&complete=0&filter=0&start=200
Google Book: [ "Daniel Sharp Ford" ]
About 10,400 results : http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Daniel+Sharp+Ford%22&num=100&hl=en&safe=off&tbo=1&tbm=bks
Realistic: 209 results : http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Daniel+Sharp+Ford%22&num=100&hl=en&safe=off&tbo=1&tbm=bks&start=200
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||QuestionABOUTGugle||11/6/11 2:25 PM|
-WHY WOULD GOOGLE WANT TO ELIMINATE ONE OF ITS MOST VALUED AND RESOURCEFUL TOOLS?
The responses Google officials have given are so out of tune with our needs that I am seriously considering boycotting google for an utter lack of apparent interest in its users and clients.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||tgoldman0||11/6/11 8:28 PM|
This was an extremely effective tool for historical research, particularly in cases where the information being searched for is scarce. I have relied on the timeline search extensively: in all, it has saved me dozens of hours of research time. None of the other options cited by Google staff are of much use to me. I'm very disappointed to see the Timeline search function dropped.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||vagabond1023||11/7/11 7:37 AM|
@ Thomas P,
I searched for Rorke's Drift using the tool of setting a custom date to search, in this instance 01/01/1879 - 01/01/1880. (The battle was in January 1879.) That search yielded no results.
(I picked Rorke's Drift because the paired words are pretty unique, and one avoids a lot of chaff in the search results.)
Getting no results, I then played a bit of cat and mouse with Google's search algorithm, to coax sources from 1879. To do this, I searched for the name of the British prime minister in 1879, and the name of the commander of the British Army in Natal in 1879.
With those names in hand, I then did a standard web search (no custom dates) with this search string: Rorke's Drift Beaconsfield Chelmsford. Two results from 1879 (published within weeks of the battle) popped up in the first search results page. And I suppose I could play with additional keywords and coax additional sources on a trial; and error basis.
But if Timeline were available, I would have expected to see a big spike in the number of sources published in the year 1879, and I wouldn't have to play cat and mouse games with the algorithm to find these.
What I now suspect happened is that when Google disabled the Timeline search module, that also affected/disabled? the functionality of the custom date range search tool, which is why I got zero results from an 1879 custom date search. The law of unintended consequences?
Basically without Timeline and with a non-functioning custom date search, Google's expensive and very laudable effort to scan and index million of documents from yesteryear is now for naught, as the standard web search will prioritize results from the 21st and late 20th centuries.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||Thomas P.||11/7/11 8:31 AM|
The "Custom range.." for the ordinary WebSearch relates to when things was publish to WWW.
I just did two ordinary web searches for first [apple] and then [cat],
and then I set the "Custom range.." to the interval [1/1/1800 ; 1/1/1920]
I did not find any results at all, and I would have been slightly surprised if I did, since the Internet did then not exist.
As far as I can tell, then ... I think you're out of luck with Google.
Your local librarian or historian is probably a good person to ask for advice on what good search/research tools are in existence.
I remember that Google once had a project (I can't remember the name) with getting historical documents scanned, onlined & indexed - but that project was axed "long" ago. So - Sorry, but I think you need to drop the idea that Google will help you and other historians.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||SeedyApple||11/7/11 10:53 AM|
I join all the calls here, please bring back a timeline feature. It was great.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||vagabond1023||11/7/11 12:38 PM|
@ Thomas P.
With the Timeline search tool that Google had until about a week ago, use of Timeline would have produced results similar to these for the year 1879:
and 1879 is their publication date, not the date they first appeared on the Web.
The reason Timeline has disappeared can be found in these paragraphs in the Google Search blog on November 3:
"Search results, like warm cookies right out of the oven or cool refreshing fruit on a hot summer’s day, are best when they’re fresh. Even if you don’t specify it in your search, you probably want search results that are relevant and recent.
"If I search for [olympics], I probably want information about next summer’s upcoming Olympics, not the 1900 Summer Olympics (the only time my favorite sport, cricket, was played). Google Search uses a freshness algorithm, designed to give you the most up-to-date results, so even when I just type [olympics] without specifying 2012, I still find what I’m looking for.
"Given the incredibly fast pace at which information moves in today’s world, the most recent information can be from the last week, day or even minute, and depending on the search terms, the algorithm needs to be able to figure out if a result from a week ago about a TV show is recent, or if a result from a week ago about breaking news is too old.
"We completed our Caffeine web indexing system last year, which allows us to crawl and index the web for fresh content quickly on an enormous scale. Building upon the momentum from Caffeine, today we’re making a significant improvement to our ranking algorithm that impacts roughly 35 percent of searches and better determines when to give you more up-to-date relevant results for these varying degrees of freshness."
In Google's new view, history is now apparently anything that happened more than 24 hours ago, and good luck in having a search produce anything near the top of the search results that is more than a week old.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||vagabond1023||11/7/11 12:55 PM|
@ Thomas P
re: Google has a project to scan, outline, and index historical documents, and from what I can tell, it continues the effort. (There was a disagreement with Harvard about how much of Harvard's library collection could be scanned.)
Here is the Lloyd's Register of Yachts for 1883, retrieved for a search of the [yawl] [Nonpareille] [Gosport]
Google had the Booleain Library at Oxford scan the book.
As it is not in copyright, I can download the entire book as a pdf file.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||Thomas P.||11/7/11 3:25 PM|
I now recall what the project was. It was about scanning historical newspapers & magazines:
... Maybe it would be worth trying to see if you could get Bing interested: http://www.bing.com/community/bingsearch/default.aspx
I'd bet Bing would love to have a story to tell world about what they can, but Google can't or wont. ... It's just an idea.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||river historian||11/8/11 12:24 PM|
Bring back Google Timeline
In valuable classroom tool.
More petitions wanted.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||river historian||11/8/11 12:33 PM|
Ngram ain't timeline-not by a long shot.
Bring timeline back.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||DimitriAu||11/8/11 12:58 PM|
My +1 for bring timeline back.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||ydray||11/8/11 1:30 PM|
Please bring the timeline tool back. It was one of the most valuable teaching tools for us. The alternative brings back too many search results. Please bring it back or allow us to vote on this.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||A.Dyer||11/8/11 3:19 PM|
Timeline search must be brought back! I'm voting here and by saying yest to river historian's petition post. This must be brought back.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||waverleo||11/9/11 12:26 PM|
I am very unhappy that this feature has been discontinued. It provided (to me at least) tremendously interesting and useful insights about the emergence of new terminology and concepts online. Search queries provide very little information on usage (because, e.g., figures of speech are seldom searched for, but provide great information on how people change the way they think and talk about ideas).
Google grams only looks at books, and its most recent data is from 2008 -- the Google Timeline feature was all there was.
At the very least I wish there had been some notice that the feature would be removed: I was tracking dozens of interesting new trends using it. Would you be able to at least tell us why?
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||EDSerMark||11/9/11 1:33 PM|
I asked how to reproduce the timeline results, was sent here, and my question closed to response. Has anyone figured out any way to reproduce the timeline? Does any other search engine do it? Google doesn't really seem to care that there doesn't seem to be an alternative.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||StephenRappaport||11/10/11 12:38 PM|
You must find a way to return the Timeline. I understand the emphasis on fresh results, but by discontinuing it Google is failing in its mission to organize the world's information. As many of the writers before me have said, and in my work researching business trends, too, there's tremendous value in understanding how events unfold over long stretches of time, not just a few years, but many decades. For example, I wanted to understand the buildup of events leading to Occupy Wall Street. Thanks to timeline, I found a reference from 1901 explaining that Pres. McKinley was assassinated because of the economic divide and unfairness existing at that time. Then you could see other events unfold over time, picking up in the 70s and continuing through today. This pattern provided exceptional insight. I've done others for tablet computing going back to 1971, palm oil sourcing practices and some others. That the results appeared in a few seconds meant that I could test keyphrases, compare them, see how they trended together, etc. Now none of this is possible, and we are condemned to live in the present - a blooming, buzzing confusion (to quote William James) and not know how we got here, where we are, and what may likely happen next. Eliminating Timeline has done many researchers, students and people interested in historical perspectives a huge disservice. The alternatives offered are weak and don't get to the point. You must find a way to return the Timeline.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||nvestgrrl||11/10/11 4:49 PM|
I agree with all the frustrated Google users who relied on Google Timeline. Perhaps it was a seldom-used function overall for Google, but it has been extremely important in my research. There are many search engines available, but I use Google for the esoteric search capabilities it provides. The alternative search protocol offered by Google employee Kelly F is woefully inadequate.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||ckcdds||11/11/11 12:22 PM|
Here's another vote for bringing back the Timeline!!! For my work, this is one of the best features of your search capabilities and the timing of its removal couldn't be worse for me - as I have an article due next month that relies heavily on insight gained from historical searches using the timeline. Yes, I can enter custom ranges and search - but it isn't the same. I can only hope that you get enough feedback that convinces you to bring timeline back!
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||vagabond1023||11/11/11 3:11 PM|
@EDSermak, the closest thing to getting a bit of the old Timeline function in the current Google is to confine the search to Google books, which covers books and periodicals, but not newspapers. And within Google books, choose 19th Century, or 20th Century as the search period. Those will limit the number of search results, and cut away most of the chaff. However, this will not give you results by year, as Timeline did, but only by century. And I don't know about 18th Century, or even 17th, as there is no search option for that.
Google News Archive is worthless. So the only way to find and retrieve old NY Times articles, for example, is, while in basic web search, to be sufficiently specific with keywords in the search string that the link is brought to near the top of the search results. That requires some cleverness, its what I call playing 'cat and mouse' with the Google search algorithm.
@ThomasP. You were right about Google discontinuing scanning more newspapers onto the Web. However, it continues scanning periodicals other than newspapers, and books. I read an explanation for why Google stopped doing newspapers, and that was because many of the newspapers are running their own pay sites for articles, and would not let Google scan the newspaper archives. In doing away with Timeline, Google in fact is inhibiting the ability to find articles on the newspaper pay sites. I know without Timeline, I have not been able to find a single link to a newspaper pay site (newspapers like the Chicago Tribune, Baltimore Sun, Boston Globe). The links may still be there, but probably appear on page 500 of the search results.
That may be the real reason why Google discontinued Timeline. Such might become a Federal case, if it is indeed restraint of trade.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||poppymce||11/11/11 3:40 PM|
I used this tool every day and I find it difficult to understand the thinking behind removing it! It would definitely not be an experienced Google user's decision as it is one of Google's best features! I'm shopping around for another search engine that has this feature. I loved it and it made for very convenient searching. Please, please, please bring it back! Don't make me use Bing!!!!!!!!!!
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||websearchlady||11/12/11 9:38 AM|
Oh Google - when you remove a feature that has been as valuable as the timeline for web search (and news) you are hurting yourself in ways you can't imagine yet. Professional researchers, information specialists, teachers were using the timeline - maybe small in count compared to total users - but very influential. These are the people who have told others that Google was the best - and now we are saying (I count myself among them) that Google is not the superior search service it once was, and bit by bit is breaking down. And by the way - if freshness is your aim, it was crazy to remove Realtime search.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||sbranting||11/12/11 7:40 PM|
The elimination of the 'timeline' function has deprived serious historians of a valuable tool that Google has underrated. Yes, one can still access the list of newspaper; but without an internal search engine, the list is meaningless.
Gifted & Innovative Programs, Emeritus
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||Antonio_El_Satano||11/12/11 9:50 PM|
What a crock, bring back the timeline and quit being so 1984. Not only bring it back, but improve upon it.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||ealex||11/15/11 2:27 AM|
It was good service. Miss it. Wish they to start it over. or bring back, whatever
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||StephenRappaport||11/16/11 2:57 PM|
I just posted an entry on the value of timeline for historical event analysis: http://goo.gl/YKZp6. Sadly this type of work can't be easily done anymore, unless Timeline is brought back - I hope it is.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||Neil6||11/16/11 5:22 PM|
I continually used Timeline when I researched for my (thankfully now complete) follow-up book on 'Life Cycles' theory. I could not have done what I did without Timeline. Just "BRING IT BACK". Sure, I care about the latest development in a current affairs case, but I care even more that I can find gems describing how Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||spmccall||11/16/11 8:19 PM|
I am also extremely disappointed that this useful tool is gone. I think Google is purposely trying to alienate professionals, students and other people who use search engines for research and not p0rn. About 10 days ago I was getting frustrating results from "regular" searches and I commented to my wife that it seemed like google changed their search algorithm. She laughed and pointed me to the million articles that morning on the new algorithm. The difference was instantly detectable to me and not positive. I now have to put SINGLE words in quotes to force the search to include them. Single words in quotes...
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||StephenRappaport||11/16/11 9:14 PM|
@neil6 The value of the tool is what one does with it and what they learn from it. One type of research question is not inherently more valuable than another. Timeline's contribution was helping people of all different backgrounds and interests do research.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||svronline||11/16/11 11:51 PM|
I cant imagine why Google is doing this? Is it at all listening to us? It seems to be more & more like M$
What number of arbitary & awful changes have been done over last year
- Google instant, with limited search results & bottom search box removal thrown in as bonus
- Google preview ...(shudder..too ghastly to even speak about)
- Changed images search that takes forever to load
- now timeline gone & advanced search - i cant look back beyond a year
- strange grouping of the cached & similar option
I HATE the new Google. I am already using Bing ...looks like we are going to get more cosy :)
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||susacadia||11/18/11 6:20 AM|
I wish to add my voice to restoring the archive search tools as they existed just a few short weeks ago. I am a high school teacher and have found google news archive (GNA) invaluable in setting context for both writing about events as they happened and giving students a context for either the time in which a book is set, or the social context during which an author was writing. Just now I was refreshing my notes for using GNA as a resource for _October Sky__ and having students look at not just the major events in rocketry, Sputnik, coal mining and energy use, but also the ephemera of the society: clothing prices, food prices, cars being sold, help wanted and real estate ads. I relied on GNA for this sort of background information. What happened to all the archives of those news papers? How can I access them?
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||placeness||11/21/11 6:41 PM|
I want to add my support to the requests to bring back Timeline. I have been using it for the last two years to support research for a book I am writing, and it has helped me to uncover numerous links, to trace the emergence and propagation of ideas, and to uncover significant associations.
I have been busy writing for the last few weeks and only just discovered its disappearance when I tried to check some source material and references. I think I have all the original links but in the book they will have to be accompanied by a note explaining that Google has sucked them into an electronic void and can no longer be accessed. I have yet to explore most of the alternatives mentioned in this thread, but I have tried Google News gave me nothing useful.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||Kevin Krolicki||11/22/11 9:14 PM|
Please bring back Timeline.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||SwampPuppet||11/23/11 9:57 AM|
I think the harsh reality is that Google Timeline doesn't make Google any money like many of their axed projects. No one wants to sponsor results for "Battle of Golden Hill". That's someone researching, not shopping. However if you instead are searching for "Jimmy Choos" you will be able to manipulate the search engine by best deals, colour, images, video footage, store locator, maps, latest models, price, news info and even by what your friends like.
Google is not an academic fairy God-mother run by self-less philanthropists. Its a multi-billion dollar advertising agency. Sadly.
"Don't be evil". It wouldn't hurt to be a bit nice now and again either though would it?
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||jnelsen93||11/24/11 7:53 PM|
The timeline was very, very useful to me as both a researcher and a teacher. Please bring it back.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||Silkius||11/25/11 6:39 AM|
Another voice pleading for it to be re-instated. I do most of my research in the winter months and only just found it no longer worked (after trying to work out what I was now doing wrong)
For e.g. I was doing some research into all the UK ships named Penelope, and thanks to the timeline feature had worked my way back to the early 1600's. Finding docs and references there is just no way I would have otherwise come across. And depending on my mood/time I would use it time and time again to focus on a particular period - it was FANTASTIC.
Without it, no matter what variations I try, I cannot focus my searches to anywhere close to the same degree. (Try putting Penelope and Ship in google without HMS and the results are off the scale)
The above was just an example, I used it for many more, including extended searches for specific people in time outside of the normal genealogy channels
If it was removed due to lack of use, it can only be because it wasn't advertised (your average user doesn't look in the labs) but then Google are quite poor at advertising some of their better features leaving it to us geeks to find out about.
As for it not being financially viable for advertising - I beg to differ. Its just a matter of what you focus it on. The genealogy/history market is by no means a small one. If they have no plans to re-use it, why not look to selling it to someone like Ancestry? Who I am sure could make good use of it!
Failing that. at least repackage it as an app or a widget you can use as a bolt on
Outside of that, I am not sure I like the way Google is going, a lot of the recent changes are too PLUS centric you're putting a lot of your eggs in a single basket (IMO) and trying to force me into use them is not the way to get me on board. Am already starting to look at Bing and even Yahoo again - whera I hadn't used them (or needed to) for years.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||LouiseY||11/25/11 6:18 PM|
I've signed up specifically to protest about this. This was an extremely valuable tool for historians - what harm was it doing you? The replacements touted are not as good. Please reinstate this feature.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||aocwhs||11/26/11 9:47 AM|
Allow me to join the somewhat discrete chorus favoring re-implementation of the Timeline tool. While we are small in number, a quick reading of these 50 comments explains how valuable such a tool can be in applying context to content. This can't be viewed in straight cost benefit terms (i.e. it isn't generating its share of ad revenue). The promise and beauty of Google is in how it is always experimenting with and enhancing its core - search. It may sound a bit audacious, but something as seemingly insignificant as the removal of this tool speaks volumes about Google's values.
Listen to us, the power searchers who have gladly taken what you have given us - such as the Timeline - and helped our clients and students and friends get a more comprehensive appreciation of a topic, instead of settling for the quick and dirty answer. The search for knowledge, and the sense of ownership and self-confidence that comes from that process shouldn't be impeded by bean counters hovering over bottom lines.
Bring back Timeline!
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||semaho||11/26/11 1:29 PM|
ْGoogle is disappointing us, i am sorry for that, Google aim was organizing world information in it's best way, and we,as a Librarian and researcher had a great time with those great tools (like Timeline), but know, Google is struggling with Facebook for being a Social Network site. What a shame
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||Geoffreynl||11/27/11 6:58 PM|
Its not the timeline but I just found this is still up
Google please don't take this down, ....please!!??? I beg
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||CarterFliptMe||11/28/11 5:45 AM|
omg omg.. please give us our timeline back!!
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||pascall||11/28/11 6:32 AM|
Timeline was an extremely valuable tool .
Please give us our timeline back !!
Hope everybody post, please.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||vagabond1023||11/28/11 6:36 AM|
I agree. I think Google discontinued Timeline because it couldn't identify a revenue stream (from advertising) that supported it. It now seems clear that this is related to Google abandoning its effort to scan and index newspaper archives, beyond what it has already put on-line.
And I find it interesting that Google no longer will provide a link to articles appearing in newspapers that are members of the newspaper archive group at http://www.pqarchiver.com/titles.html
In the past, Timeline would link to the abstract of articles indexed in the archives of this group. Of course, if you wanted to read the full article, you had to pay a fee to pqarchiver, but a Timeline search would at least be a lead to information. (In my own experience, the abstracts from pqarchiver newspapers that typically appeared in the Timeline searches were from the Baltimore Sun, Boston Globe, Chicago Tribune, and Hartford Courant.)
Now, when I construct a search string that should immediately bring up links to article abstracts in the Chicago Tribune, none appear -- Timeline or not. In effect, Google has made the content of the pqarchiver newspapers invisible; its Google's form of commercial censorship.
And its but a small step from commercial censorship to political censorship.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||franjurga||11/29/11 9:21 PM|
I gave just realized that the timeline search function is gone and I am upset. I used it intensely during research periods and found it supremely useful. PLEASE RETURN IT.
It worked very well and was simple to use.
I had no idea it was going away, I would have printed out some of my timelines.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||asparagus123||11/30/11 1:41 AM|
I found Google timeline extremely useful. I can't believe they have taken it away! I had a look at the other searches suggested by Google, and they are utter c***. I am not interested in all that rubbishy news, I really don't care who dating who, and who has just had plastic surgery or whatever. For God's sake, what is this world coming to? They had a decent search engine tool for tracking down valuable historical documents, a really helpful visual tool in the graph, and now it is gone.
Google, you have lost touch with the needs of a huge proportion of your clients.
I agree franjurga, if I had known this was going to happen, I would have saved what I could.
BRING TIMELINE BACK!!!
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||postgradenglish||11/30/11 3:35 AM|
Could this be so big as to be described as a loss to mankind? You might think that's hyperbole, but that's what I feel.
Nothing comes close to what Timeline offers (even though it was by no means perfect).
We want Timeline back! Google, bring good to the world - do good, not reprehensible, or even foolish.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||天来||11/30/11 4:30 AM|
Immensely disappointed in Google
I fired up google to search for current affairs topics for an upcoming exam, like always I turned to google timeline. I was redirected to the timeline of Google Corporation, astonished I looked around and peered through the page, nothing was out of ordinary except the fact that google timeline now showcased google crops history and development. I thought to my self did they discontinue google timeline? Next I checked the More > Even more options in google. To my surprise Timeline wasn't listed there any more. Like my fellow disgruntled goolge timeline users I was devastation, Google Timeline was an integral tool for my research. Everyone here has so rightly pointed out, it gave a bird's eye view, a focus on the bigger picture, how past events have shaped present time and how they'll affect the possible future. Now this feature has been annulled and that too without a feasible replacement. I know Google is all for improvement however I failed to discern how culling a viable research tool is the path to "improvement".
Acting on suggestions found on various forums, I turned to advance search to find solace, it was any thing but comforting. The date feature kept giving me an error "Invalid date" even though the format was correct. I could no longer query the search engine for specifics pertaining to important events that had occurred in a recent past. Search result were nothing close to being accurate and one could no long view results in an orderly chronological fashion. It was simply an amalgamation of links that required more time to review than to act on them, time which is not a luxury I can indulge in at the moment.
Well... I am sure, ranting here wouldn't bring back timeline however it sure does makes me feel better!
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||lilmightymouse71||11/30/11 10:29 AM|
I am also voting for the Bring Back Timeline demand. What exactly did Google expect to accomplish by LIMITING the search function?
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||StephenRappaport||11/30/11 12:57 PM|
Maybe we should Occupy Timeline? :-)
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||DimitriAu||11/30/11 2:17 PM|
Rather Idle Google instead of Occupy Timeline. I am getting off Google. There are plenty of alternative historical searches around. Just Bing them.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||vagabond1023||11/30/11 2:32 PM|
Without Timeline, it will be interesting to see how Google links to 300 years of British newspapers being put on the Web by the British library.
"The British Library has put about three centuries worth of articles dating back to 1700 online for public browsing. The British Newspaper Archive comprises about 4 million stories published by local and regional newspapers in the U.K. This is the first fruit of a digitization project that's expected to last another decade. When complete, the library will have put online approximately 650 million articles on 40 million web pages."
Or maybe Google won't even bother.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||StephenRappaport||11/30/11 4:20 PM|
@google how about a compromise until you decide on timeline's fate? Make it available again as a historical research tool, from the last active day backwards. That would still help many of us who don't need up to the minute results.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||computermorah||12/5/11 5:37 PM|
I recently covered search techniques with my students. I showed them Timeline (and privately bemoaned the disappearance of the Wonderwheel - http://searchengineland.com/official-the-google-wonder-wheel-is-gone-84105). Both these tools allowed students to visualize their searches. Today one of my students asked me what happened to the Timeline and I was shocked. She had been using it for history projects. Last year I also showed my students how to search for images with certain usage rights. That option was removed from the left side of the Image Search screen and you now have to click a small wheel icon at the top right to access Advanced Image Search to find it.
Come on, Google. Please stop moving and deleting some of your best features. Some of us are trying to teach students how to use them, and of course, we are using the features ourselves.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||Neko_el_gato||12/7/11 10:48 AM|
So, when can we expect Google to correct it's mistake and bring back the timeline function?
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||timr_mine||12/8/11 7:45 AM|
Please restore the Timeline feature - it was a unique and powerful tool, it was a pleasure to use. Why remove it? How many resources could it have possibly consumed? Come on, Google, make access to knowledge bigger, not smaller! Do you remember AltaVista? Don't get too proud!
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||chevamartin||12/9/11 1:06 AM|
Google Timeline was invaluable in my research using various news websites. It was able to search CNN.com, or Al Jazeera, for example, and deliver me specific articles between the dates I specified. I was looking for articles chronicling the Arab spring, so I set my dates of article publication between January and June of this year. Timeline gave me a graph of when the results for my keyword were most prevalent and I was able to see every article with that keyword from that website for every month if I so desired. Now, Google News search gives me, at most, one result for the keyword "libya" in the dates specified. I am fully convinced that Al Jazeera ran more than one article about Libya in six months. I want the timeline, the monthly list of articles, and the ability to sift through hundreds of articles from a website on google, which was MUCH more useful to me than this new feature, which pretty much has been completely useless.
Bring back timeline, PLEASE!
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||becky.bigley||12/9/11 11:43 AM|
Please bring back the Timeline!!!!!! Please please please please please!!!
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||nvestgrrl||12/10/11 12:29 PM|
Isn't Google monitoring this discussion anymore? No one from Google has responded to any of these questions and pleas since Nov. 3 - more than a month ago. My opinion of Google has changed dramatically. I don't see brilliance anymore. The recent search algorithm changes constitute a dumbing-down of the search engine. Serious users are being abandoned for the sake of targeting the masses. I can't understand for the life of me, though, why Google ELIMINATES search options instead of ADDING to them. Search is not a "one size fits all" activity. Search engines need to reflect that.
Google - where are you????? Please tell us whether you intend to provide a solution for our research needs. If not, I suggest we timeline searchers simply abandon Google and start a Yahoo group to share timeline search work-arounds that we come up with.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||jcnandcb||12/15/11 11:26 AM|
ReadWriteWeb.com listed their "Top 7 Epic Tech Fails of 2011." Guess what, Google: Two of your initiatives made the list this year. One was your axing of several beloved services, including Timeline Search. Second was your mystifying redesign.
Another blog called your 2011 feature changes a "car wreck."
Bring back Timeline!!!!
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||ContactWC||12/19/11 12:09 AM|
Well google seems to not want to help EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THIS PAGE but they seem to have a solution that is completely arbitrary to everyone's request to bring google timeline back.... these idiots don't even feel the gaping hole they shot in their own foot, but are walking around like idiots with a bloody foot telling us how to work it out, while we are listening to them while watching their foot bleed....
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||gabalut||12/22/11 9:15 AM|
I TERRIBLY miss the timeline function which had been invaluable for research. While I understand most people doing a generic search on google for olympics would be interested in results about the next olympics, when the search is done on google's news archives - and there only year in search results is 1969 - is there any validity to the search engine?
This was my search
Sorted by date and everything is 1969? I'm not interested in the recent re-release - but if it has a date it's all 1969? I am researching using a computer rather than heading over to the library and wading through every newspaper and magazine article they have looking for information about that line.
Guys, stuff like the timeline is what made google and the internet so great.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||Samandjill Hershfield||12/25/11 5:17 AM|
Google was such a boon for anyone searching the web for historical data of any kind. Timeline made it THE most powerful tool in "modern archaeology". Taking it away, for whatever reason weakened Google's usefulness to millions of people. Is there a way Google could put premium tools like Timeline and other more powerful applications into a paid version? I for one would pay to use Timeline.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||Paul Schlegel||12/28/11 5:33 PM|
Wow. I can't believe this tool is gone. Hopefully Blekko will add it into their to-do list.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||Geoffreynl||1/11/12 7:37 PM|
Its ironic, that Google does not think Timeline was a really good tool, and Facebook its main competitor is pushing its timeline really hard and a lot of people do not like it at all.
The key is customization , if the user can control the content naturally than google can use that data way better than google plus.
Right now you are putting the user in a funnel with limitations and really the market is giving more and more freedom.
If Facebook and Google do not get that, in five years they will be the next AOL and Yahoo.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||sperkyl||1/15/12 12:07 PM|
If you bring back Timeline, integrate Translated Search and let in foreign language material and provide more granular worldwide results. Call it Timeline Beta2 and tell us it is just one more Beta of many. Sure, incomplete material provides the appearance of real data but that's half the fun... and as far as I know, no one else is doing it for free. What are you going to do? Bring it back as a for-fee feature of Recorded Future?
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||forby||1/15/12 4:06 PM|
It can't be that difficult to bring back TIMELINE - it was one of the best features of Google for both professional and amateur researchers and historians, NOTHING Google offers is an adeqaute substitute so just turn it on again Google please.
Sorry Kelly but Google just doesn't seem to get it.... what a fantastic feature Timeline was ....surely Google is big enough to carry on with the Timeline feature - hey and even promote it so that more people use it.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||cube4hire||1/15/12 6:34 PM|
I miss the time line search big time. Google search has been downgraded with its removal. I was just telling someone the other day about it and listed it as one of the main reasons I use google search.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||Amparo2268||1/16/12 3:02 AM|
It isn't the same. Timelinewas much much better
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||Amparo2268||1/16/12 3:03 AM|
Why was it disconnected? We've lost a very valuable tool. As a librarian I used it very often and found it very useful.
Please, enable it again. Thanks
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||Amparo2268||1/16/12 3:04 AM|
we don't write here just to help other users to use Google, but to ask you to implement Timeline again
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||MikeJorden||1/17/12 2:52 PM|
Google news timeline is gone now!?!?!? why? that equals less traffic at least from my household!
Google is going down the wrong path, they are going away from what makes them unique and becoming more bland.
Google, overconfidence kills ...
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||simplepog||1/28/12 11:15 AM|
It's plain that google cares only about profit and has abandoned their principles. They are catering solely to the herd and ignoring the rest of us. They achieved their moment of greatness but it's now in the past. I'm sure they've greatly improved the results for those who want to search for and buy porn and gadgetry, and whose idea of news is what some dimwitted starlet wore to a party. Goodbye, google; you're no longer of any use to me.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||Softlavender||2/19/12 6:51 PM|
For all of you who are asking why Google would abandon one of the very best research tools, the answer is obvious. Since 2010. Google has not cared at all about research or websearch: Only 4% or less of any search, whether it's Web or Shopping or Images or News, will ever show up anymore. How can you people actually think that Google is still interested in helping research? Their interest and time has shifted to creating Doodles, jamming as many ads as possible onto every webpage and YouTube page, and making as much money out of the web as they possibly can. Google is publically traded, and their only concern is maximizing profits and keeping a pleasant public profile. Not in internet search. You can't possibly think that when you can't view more than 4% of your search results.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||LisaMay||4/3/12 7:51 PM|
All true and very sad. Shame on Google! After the lambasting about privacy this could be a positive for the Google name.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||forby||4/24/12 12:19 AM|
Go on Google bring back Timeline and promote it's return so peopleknow it's back and more make use of it. With an ever expanding world of information out there Timeline was a wonderfully easy way to filter out the rubbish and home in on resulots by date especialli it was easy to navigate and get the results wanted. Not only do we historians and resarchers miss it dreadfully but many teachers and students have also siad they want it back.
Dare you Google to admit you made a mistake with this one and return it.
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||Softlavender||4/24/12 12:28 AM|
Forby -- your post doesn't make sense. Go where? And promote what?
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||south asia historian||8/9/12 6:28 PM|
Please do bring back Timeline! It was extremely useful for us historians researching lesser-known regions and topics. I had assembled some really brilliant data on adivasi histories in western and central India with this tool several months ago. I was about to use it again for a timeline of the Kingdom of Mysore under colonialism because I was looking for some specific information relating to revenue collection, and I am pretty sure timeline have been the best tool ever created to get this sort of data. Please do reinstate this search if at all possible. Regards, Dr. EDR, Assistant Professor of History
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||LearningTruth||9/29/12 5:26 AM|
Timeline was removed for political reasons.
It allowed people to search news archives too easily. Never in history have the public had such easy access to archives of world events.
On many occasions it thwarted Intelligence Agencies and Media Companies from editing and revising news events in order to alter history to their advantages.
Sad but this is true
|Re: The Timeline function for Web search has disappeared, and News Archive is too limiting.||edgerton||11/9/12 1:04 PM|
a year later, I'm still mourning this. PLEASE BRING IT BACK. INCLUDE CAVEATS IF YOU MUST.
i want to be able to sort the search returns from a search by date. sigh. It should not be that difficult.