|Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||JeffCT||4/8/11 5:25 AM|
I have studied the Help Center, read the FAQs and searched for similar questions
I have read the FAQs and checked for similar issues: YES
My site's URL (web address) is:
Description (including timeline of any changes made):
I have a Yahoo store. Webmaster Tools is showing incoming links to my site from other Yahoo stores. Despite what it is showing, I have no actual links from these other Yahoo stores. The total number of links showing is considerable. From one site it is over 1,000,000. Should I be concerned about these links that are erroneously showing?
Please note that this site was impacted by Panda and two of the sites showing incoming links are on the Sistrix list. A few of the other sites have posted on "Think you were affected by the algorithm" thread or in other sources as having been impacted by Panda. So besides just being concerned about these links, could there be any relation to Panda?
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||onewayfurniture||4/8/11 12:04 PM|
I have also studied the FAQs and help questions.
I have read the FAQs and checked for similar issues: YESMy site's URL (web address) is: onewayfurniture.com
Description (including timeline of any changes made):I have the EXACT same issue as a yahoo store. Webmaster Tools is showing multiple incoming links from other yahoo stores that don't link to us. I have one site showing over 100,000. I am concerned about these because I had a 60% drop in organic traffic since the panda update and our store is a decade old.
Part of this issue for me (maybe) is that my site has over 5,000 pages that appear in "Google discussions" the spiders seem to think that 5,000 of my pages are a forum. We are obviously not a forum and I could see this as an issue since a forum would have a hard time ranking for keywords related to someone buying something. We appreciate any help or feedback.
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||zviidubin||4/9/11 7:36 PM|
I am seeing the exact same link behavior in my GWT. 500,000 links from another Yahoo and hundreds of other Yahoo stores linking to my store as well. I even see several competitors (who would never link to me) with links from their '"about us" and other pages. Please take a look, as these links may be hurting our rankings unfairly.
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||JeffCT||4/11/11 4:18 AM|
This matter is now looking worse. I now have an instance of Google returning search results that contain my URL, and link to my site, yet the listing contains the title, meta tag, and breadcrumb of another site.
In addition, the cached page is that of the other site. The link to my site contains the same url suffix as the other site. So we both have www.site.com/xyz.html where xyz is the same on both sites.
Google, please help!
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||AsaphZemach||4/19/11 1:55 PM|
We had a problem in one of our backend systems that caused this issue. We believe the problem is now fixed. I checked onewayfurniture.com in WMT and the "links to your site" data looks correct now.
Please let us know if you are still seeing issues. Note that it's next to impossible for us to debug problems without a site name to work with.
We apologize of the inconvenience and thanks for using WMT.
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||rustybrick||4/21/11 4:32 AM|
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||onewayfurniture||4/21/11 8:26 AM|
Good Morning Asaph,
Thank you so much for looking into it and correcting the IP issue (knew I wasnt crazy :). So many other yahoo stores will be happy to hear this as well. Obviously you can see from the WSJ article that our site has taken a beating over the past 7 weeks since the Panda update (64% Organic Drop). The issue with enormous incoming links coincides with the timing of the update, which makes it hard to determine the exact cause of the drop or to know if it is even Panda related. Would you be able to offer us some guidance - either through this thread or directly?
WMT showed incoming links from another YAHOO store which had the same exact IP address as ours and carries some of the same manufacturers. Thousands of yahoo stores are all on the same ip address. The only thing I had in common with the other site was the tvstands.html ending in the URL.
Google may have unintentionally related these sites and imposed a "panda related" penalty perceiving it as duplicate content. If you can guide me in any way I would really appreciate it. I've had almost 2 months of no sleep as we have reviewed every ounce of data from our site. We started selling online in 1998 and built our online store in 2001. We have done our best to establish Google's best practices as a standard guidelines for our merchandising team. We are doing everything we can to take measures to restore our traffic.
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||htmarket||4/21/11 8:59 AM|
We had the same issue htmarket.com as we are a yahoo store and we have been online since year 2000 almost 11 years. we took about a 50% cut from our normal google traffic pre panda. We too are a small business but we have been successful for these 11 years and we have grown every year adding employees. We are now cutting back and the last thing I want to do is cut employees.
I was wondering the same thing did Google think that yahoo stores as a whole was one big content farm as you were lumping all our pages together in the new algo. I am losing sleep over this also I wake up at 4am every night thinking about what I can do to get my traffic back. We have done some things like site clean up of old pages, write new product descriptions on many pages, write articles etc but nothing has worked to bring back pre panda traffic. Many other Yahoo stores in same boat and it appears to be the oldest and most successful stores that got hit with this.
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||AsaphZemach||4/21/11 6:10 PM|
The problem in "links to your site" was wholly unrelated to Panda. It was in a completely different system.
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||onewayfurniture||4/21/11 8:01 PM|
Thanks Asaph. That atleast gives me more guidance to continue to review the content. The 2nd part of my original question was about my site results appearing in "google discussions". The first time I saw this was right after the panda update. I never had any pages listed there, then after the update I had over 8500 pages listed in google discussions. It appeared that google was interpreting "posts" as the number of cross sell items on a page. So if a page had a cross sell products and 1 main product, it would show "9 posts, 8+1".
I just want to make sure that we arent misclassified as a forum, which would of course diminish results we are competing for as an eccomerce company. The numbers in the discussions have been steadily dropping since we changed the layout of the page to our old cross sell model, we also asked power reviews to remove dates from the reviews. Here is an example of what i mean by us appearing in google discussions. http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#q=site:http%3A%2F%2Fwww.onewayfurniture.com&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=7008bfc9edaea462&hl=en&rlz=1R2GGLL_enUS343&tbm=dsc
After you respond to this I will close the thread. I understand you probably can't respond to the "panda effect" or its impact, but if you did have any advice on that or direction you'd make my month.
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||lucas_forrest||4/25/11 10:12 AM|
I have also studied the FAQs and help questions.My site's URL (web address) is: everythingkitchens.com
Description (including timeline of any changes made): Also having this same link issue.
I saw your post regarding onewayfurniture.com and the linking issue they were having. We are showing in our webmaster tools several sites with 4,000- 300,000 plus links in our webmaster tools, who we did not ask to link to us and seem to be from bad neighborhoods (adwords content sites, etc). Some of them show links to our site and some do not when I actually click through to them, and even the ones that do show links to our site seem to have a greatly exaggerated number. Also, when I drill down to the detail of the links in the Google webmaster tools, all of these show a HUGE amount of total links compared to total linked pages. Total linked pages is 1-7 on each, but thousands for total links, almost like Google is showing that they linked to us a few thousands times from each page. Very odd.
onlinecooking.net showing 375,196 links, and I can't find any on the site pointing to our site.
ice-cream-makers.org 4,861 links, no links on site when I check it, and VERY spammy page.
foodprocessorskitchenaid.com 23,755 links , and I can't find any on the site pointing to our site.
blenditall.com 5,683 links, does link to our site on manual review and is related to our content, but appears a bit spammy.
cookstandmixer.com 4,133 links, I can find a link on the main page, but it is a blog, so why would it show 4133 links? Odd.
Please help!!! We have lost a huge amount of traffic, and think this could be part of the problem.
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||AsaphZemach||4/25/11 12:13 PM|
We had noticed the forum issue a while ago and have started rolling out an improvement. You should see the results over the coming weeks. Let us know if it's still an issue in about 2 weeks from now. One thing you should know is that this has no impact on your rankings in regular web search. All it means is that, as you saw, when you click "discussions" some of your pages show up there that shouldn't.- Asaph
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||lucas_forrest||4/25/11 2:11 PM|
I see you replied again to Mitch right after my post on everythingkitchens.com. Is there any way you could look at my message right above your reply and give a quick reply? It would make my month as well and I would be so appreciative. We have had a huge amount of lost traffic and I am at a loss as to what to do. We have been in business for 9 years.
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||onewayfurniture||4/25/11 9:34 PM|
I really appreciate you taking the time to reply, and i'm happy to know the forum issue was not a contributing factor. I know you must be swamped with posts. Have a good day. Now I'll get back to work staring at my analytics and webmaster tools 24 hours a day looking for panda clues. :)
Just a comment. (No need to reply) Googles algorhitm should consider and weigh in o reviews when considering "quality" of a website..We have 11,700 reviews in google over 10 years and average rating is 4.3 out of 5. In the furniture world its pretty darn good. Of course we are always working towards the 5.0 mark.
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||AsaphZemach||4/26/11 9:24 AM|
when you say "we have lost a huge amount of traffic" can you explain (a) what time periods you are comparing? (b) when you say "traffic" do you mean all visitors to your site or just those that come from Google search? (c) how are you getting this information?- Asaph
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||lucas_forrest||4/27/11 9:05 AM|
We lost a huge amount of traffic overnight on February 24th. We have never had this happen and have had an average ranking on all terms on the 1st page up until the February 24th drop. I was referring to losses in traffic in Google search only. Yahoo, Bing and others are just fine. I am getting this information from a Analytics program I use (for traffic information) and I got the link info from Google Webmaster Tools.
Thank you for the reply.
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||jackatfloridata||4/28/11 4:42 PM|
I've posted this problem several times but I think this is the right thread. My online plant encyclopedia saw a drop of about 50% on Feb 21 that seeemed to drop even further on April 2 overall site traffic is off 45% and - worse - the big season increase we experience in spring is gone. Here's our stats on quantcast - click "Range: All" to see the effect. One reason is inflated click counts.
Since last May Webmaster Tools has been counting a single link on one page as 55,768 links (and counting) to a single page on my site.
The page is:
the link text is "salvia".
My site had several problems: lots of old, marginal pages from 1997, broken links, a rogue page that generated bad URLs was indexed, our alternate domain name needed 301 redirects, etc. and a lot of things like that which I was able to fix.
What I can't fix is getting the bogus data that's clogging up my site's account cleared so that it does not mess up the stats or more importantly be interpreted by Panda as spam or some other indicator of fraud, content farming or whatever.
the second problem with the site is that hundreds of our Plant Profile pages have been copied/screen scraped and I'm just beginning to take actions to bring it all down but that will take a long time.
I hope that someone (please Asaph!) can help me scrub the data in my account or help me send a trouble ticket. Also I think that now that I've done major cleanup and re-engineering on the site just having Googlebot reindex it will flush a lot of the old data clogging up the Link error report making it useful once more.
Also - here's another "mystery" sent of "links to your site" - 8007 links to 20 of my pages are reported from this IP (hosted on GoDaddy):
126.96.36.199 - it seems to be registered to a South Fla design firm but I can't find any references on their pages... Could some kind of malware be running unknown to them that's mis-using my content? Or is it probably just a data management problem like the first example at lemis.com ?
Whatever it is, Googlebot isn't increasing the link count for the first example but for the other 10 ten sites linking in it seems to be... and continues to pollute our account with erroneous and detrimental link data.
After 2 months of messing with this issue it looks to me like the problem is not so much because of the Panda algorithm as it is the huge amounts of bad link data being fed to it as inputs...
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||lucas_forrest||4/29/11 11:42 AM|
It would make my day if you could look into the issue mentioned above for me. I haven't heard back and I know you are busy, but I am really struggling over here trying to figure out what happened, and I really need your help.
Can you tell if we have a manual penalty? I have submitted a reconsideration request, and get a very vague reply, and am not aware of anything we are doing that would be seen as spammy besides maybe the link issue mentioned above.
If you can help me out, I would appreciate it greatly and make my day.
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||AsaphZemach||5/2/11 9:14 AM|
In your original post you mentioned two things: issues with links to your site and your drop in traffic. We are still looking at the links issue and while the data quality there could be better, AFAICT it is unrelated to lower clicks from Google. BTW, while clicks from Google were somewhat lower on 2/24 than on 2/23, the far bigger trend is a very strong decline since the start of the year and the end of the Christmas shopping season.
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||onewayfurniture||5/2/11 10:37 AM|
I am seeing an improvement into the amount of links showing up in discussions. However, I am not seeing any improvement in the SERPS at all. In fact my graph looks like the longest downhill mountain you could imagine (down 70% and it keeps dropping). I'm sorry for posting here, but I have to kindly ask you for an answer to this question - Why has our site seen a drop of this magnitude? Since the week of february 24th (panda) I have slept an average of 2 to 3 hours a night. I stare at google analytics most of the day.
I've reviewed all of my sites products. I've deleted over 10,000 products. I've no indexed for the googlebot several more thousand products. I've lost about 70% of my organic google traffic basically within a 30 day period. Overstock received a manual penalty from google and they announced to the SEC that their penalty was being lifted. It sounds as if they had knowledge of the penalty and when it would end.
If there was some kind of manual penalty for our company I'd really like to know so we can know how to staff. If it was panda I'd really like to know if there is a "time out period" and when it may end? I realize no one wants to give out a formula because others can "game it". All I'm asking is for a time frame for the Panda "time out" and when or if we can ever expect traffic to increase. No matter what changes we make it has no bearing on the serps. I wasl also surprised to login to WMT a few days ago and find that the "crawl speed" was removed from WMT's. We can no longer set the crawl speed.
For over a decade we have been one of the leaders in online furniture sales. We have almost 11,000 reviews of over 4.3 stars in google. We are doing everything humanly possible to conduct business in a professional manner. We just really would love some definitive guidance.
Again, I appreciate you jumped into this thread to answer the question. I don't want to abuse that and go for the 99,000 question. But I just really need to ask directly. If you are not permitted to publicly make statements perhaps someone from google can contact me with more information?
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||lucas_forrest||5/2/11 1:57 PM|
The Christmas shopping season being over is not why we were dropped so significantly on 2/24. We were steady and strong up until that day. I know Google changed their algorithym on this day, so I am leaning towards that as the cause.
However, I am still hoping that you could tell me if our site has a manual penalty by any chance, as there is still that possibility due to the linking issue. I was thinking after seeing that there is a site linking to our site that sells paid text links showing 375,000 links to our site (onlinecooking.net), despite the fact that we do not have any links on that site, that it could possibly hurt our rankings by incurring a manual penalty from Google for something that is not actually in fact happening.
The thing that makes me think that this may have happened, is because at http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=35769&hl=en in your webmaster tools it states: "Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank. In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on the web, as your own ranking may be affected adversely by those links." We are not doing this, but it would certainly have that appearance based on the data in the webmaster tools.
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||jackatfloridata||5/2/11 4:06 PM|
Asaph - the Googlebot is continuing to count a single link to one of my pages on Floridata.com on a single page as a unique link - it has now counted this one link 55,768 times - our account is full of junk, we've been penalized, our stats are nonsense... The URL to this link counted 55,768 times is in this thread if you want to see it:
It's been months, i've posted several times about this and it appears that others are experiencing the same problem.
When you feed Panda bogus link counts, bad things happen to ranking - it's been months now since the Panda punishment but my account has been clogged with bad data for more than a year.
I wish I could be as patient and gracious as the others posting to this thread but Google's response and the inability to even submit a trouble ticket is incomprehensible.
I wish Google would assign some more employees to help you help us!
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||comforthouse||5/3/11 7:05 AM|
I agree with Emily that the drop seen on 2/24 was likely not caused by the end of the Christmas shopping season. Holiday season drop off in retail typically occurs earlier.
You also mention as a cause a "very strong decline since the start of the year." Is this a trend you have seen across the retail industry and do you have any ideas of the root cause?
I also see the types of links Emily mentions in our WMT.
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||AsaphZemach||5/3/11 5:08 PM|
I will not discuss recent ranking changes. We have created a thread for that. We are aware of the issues people are seeing in their link counts and are working on this. We appreciate you reporting these issues to us but please don't make assumptions about how they impact ranking.
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||JeffCT||5/3/11 6:01 PM|
No one from Google is discussing anything in the thread you reference. The last time anyone from Google posted was 2 months ago this week!
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||lucas_forrest||5/4/11 9:30 AM|
I understand that you can't discuss ranking changes. I hope Google will soon be able to remove the 375,000 links from onlinecooking.net to my site, as well as some of the others when they do not link to me. Thank you for taking the time to reply and for the time you spent looking into the link issue for me. It is appreciated a lot.
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||Vizion Interactive||5/6/11 1:43 PM|
Hey Mitch - you might want to check out your link profile (http://www.gardenfurnituredepot.com/cheapgardenfurniture/ - looking a little "link farmerish" ; http://www.homedecorexchange.com/ - looks like a paid link to me).
I'm not saying that I've "figured it out" for you...just making a couple of suggestions. Google likes to see "real citations" (links naturally earned because people liked your content).
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||onewayfurniture||5/10/11 6:34 PM|
Thanks for the info. Defintely looks farmish. Unfortunately that link did not come from our company or anyone affiliated with our company. Nor did loads of other bad links out there. I've heard of companies using tactics similar to politicians (negative campaigns) instead of increasing their own brand, they try to decrease others in the space. I've also had copy stolen from our site as well, and decided to monitor content with DMCA. I can't fight the waves as there are just too many. Im sticking to fundamentals and continuing to work on the site navigation and hierarchy. We hope there is a time limit to Panda and that google see's the massive effort we are putting into this. At the end of the day there comes a point where certain elements are beyond our control. We recognize what those elements are. Our efforts are in making progress in the areas we can control.
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||onewayfurniture||5/30/11 8:03 PM|
You told me to let you know if there are still links in the "discussions" area in 2 weeks. Its been over a month and while the links tailed down, there are still 8 pages appearing in the google discussions. On another note, which I think is more important. Our site always ranked for our domain name for almost 9 years with the site links. Right now our home page does not appear under a search for the 3 variations of our domain (one way furniture) (onewayfurniture) (onewayfurniture.com). Whats really disturbig is our AFFILIATES are outranking our own site. Please let me know why this is happening. Its beefing up affiliates paydays and not useful when our customers dont see us on the number one spot for which we own trademarks. It looks like our home page was removed from the index.... Is that some kind of error?
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||lucas_forrest||6/1/11 1:41 PM|
In reply to: "Right now our home page does not appear under a search for the 3 variations of our domain (one way furniture) (onewayfurniture) (onewayfurniture.com). Whats really disturbig is our AFFILIATES are outranking our own site. "
When I search for "onewayfurniture", "one way furniture", or "onewayfurniture.com", all three of them show up as #1 from where I am at. Not sure why you are seeing this? Have you submitted a reconsideration request?
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||onewayfurniture||6/1/11 8:37 PM|
Thanks. We actually acidentally tripped a "No Index, Follow" tag for our home page. We were no indexing about 10,000+ pages to take out of google that we thought were "low quality". We didnt mean to trip our HOME PAGE. It was an error and we corrected within 24 hours. Thanks for the responses..
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||lucas_forrest||6/2/11 11:50 AM|
Oh my! I think I would have had a heart attack. Glad you are back now. Best of luck.
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||comforthouse||6/3/11 8:24 AM|
On 4/19 you reported this problem had been fixed and I agree that it was. Most of the sites fell out of our WMT. However, as of this morning, some of the sites that fell out have returned right on top. Can you please have a look at? Our site is comforthouse.com
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||comforthouse||9/9/11 7:30 AM|
On August 9, this problem occurred again in our WMT (comforthouse.com) but on a more limited basis with just a couple yahoo stores appearing. They are onewayfurniture showing 50,000 incoming links and mypopcornmachine showing 1,000 links. It has been like this for 30 days. Can you please review?
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||comforthouse||9/20/11 6:09 AM|
This continues to be a problem in our WMT and additional sites which are Yahoo stores showed up this morning.
Also, in Google images, several of the images that are returned when you use advanced image search and enter our domain are those of another Yahoo store. It takes you to that other site when you click on them. Our site and their site both have a url suffix in common, the same way the issue in WMT does. Are these issues related?
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||onewayfurniture||11/6/11 7:33 PM|
Can you please look into this again, the issue is resurfacing? I know you mentioned you found a glitch that causes the problem. But we are still seeing this same issue re-appear again. I have firm evidence below that this is happening. We have been panda ridden since february 24th with traffic down over 70% from google. We have worked and continue to work on many things on the site to improve content, improve the customer experience, in fact we launched a new design about 2 days ago to fix structural issues and have rewriten almost 75% of the site. However, one thing we have no control of internally at all is the fact the we share an IP with other yahoo stores and some other stores that carry similar brands and products. We've been on the yahoo platform for over a decade. Yahoo will not seperate the ip addresses. In some case we share suffixes that are the same "info.html" etc.
I am seeing some of the results for One Way Furniture come up with comfort house titles > http://www.comforthouse.com/
I was search benches and seating. I also checked the index for the benches page on OWF and see that Google pulls comforthouse as the title their benches page
I see they killed the page but here was the cache.
Please advise on what needs to be done to correct this. Thanks in advance for looking into this.
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||comforthouse||6/1/12 1:53 PM|
The problem of Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores has become very pervasive again in our WMT.
We have at least 1 dozen other Yahoo stores linking to us today. Our site is comforthouse.com.
Can you please advise why this problem continues and reassure this has no impact on rankings. Thank you
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||comforthouse||6/8/12 2:09 PM|
Asaph or other Google representative- can you please respond.
|Re: Yahoo store with links to site from other Yahoo stores||JeffCT||7/18/12 12:26 PM|
We continue to have other Yahoo stores showing as linked to us in WMT. For example, we show impactcomputers with 44,650 links, and others with smaller numbers such as ylighting, directron, campingsurvival, allergybegone . . . would really appreciate further advice concerning the impact of this on our site and when it will be fixed.