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Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website?

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Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? Anand Mistry 10/17/12 2:22 AM
Today, I was reading Google webmaster blog about A new tool to disavow link. I am working on eCommerce website and getting 2,00,000 links to my website. I did not receive message from Google regarding bad links. But, I have outsource my project to SEO company and they have developed links from non relevant website. My website subject is associated to Home decor and getting maximum links from technology website due to forum signature and rest of it. So, does it really matter to optimize links with subject orientation? Can I disavow links which we are getting from technology website? 
loupiote 10/17/12 2:55 AM <This message has been deleted.>
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? loupiote 10/17/12 2:58 AM
> "Can I disavow links which we are getting from technology website? "

well, the answer is yes, you CAN disavow any link you want.

you probably made a mistake by using your SEO company, but now you have the tools to clean-up the mess they created. you might want to outsource this too.

but the number of links to your site is not important if they are "nofollow" links.  those are generally ignored by google (and links in forums are almost always nofollow). no maybe those links are just, well, not helping your SEO but not hurting either...  
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? Albert 10/17/12 3:02 AM
As @loupiote said, You can disavow any links you want. 

But You can ask your SEO company to stop creating the irrelevant links.
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? luzie 10/17/12 3:10 AM
>>> I did not receive message from Google regarding bad links

You haven't read the blogpost yet, even though you post it's URL? They explicitly state that the tool is to be used only in case you got the link warning. Do not disavow links if you haven't got the link warning.

-luzie-
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? QS Sam 10/17/12 4:44 AM
Dear Anand,
Hope you are doing well! Yes Google has introduced a new tool to disavow link which is more important for every webmasters, according to the google guidelines we have to follow the steps to remove the unnatural links (Spammy links) from your website.If you are outsource the project its good but confirm with the SEO company about the irrelevant category of your website.links should be from interior,furniture's etc.Yes you can disavow links from technology website ? and find the exact links.Every time Google surprise with the latest updates and we must follow the instructions to keep the website with the natural link and to get good results for your existing keywords.

Thanks

With Regards
QSSam
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? Pommie 10/17/12 3:18 PM
"You haven't read the blogpost yet, even though you post it's URL? They explicitly state that the tool is to be used only in case you got the link warning. Do not disavow links if you haven't got the link warning.

-luzie-"

It always amazes me how rude people can be here when they are being totally wrong. The blog post actually states

Q: Should I create a links file as a preventative measure even if I haven’t gotten a notification about unnatural links to my site?
A: If your site was affected by the Penguin algorithm update and you believe it might be because you built spammy or low-quality links to your site, you may want to look at your site's backlinks and disavow links that are the result of link schemes that violate Google's guidelines.

Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? seo101 10/17/12 3:35 PM
"Can I disavow links which we are getting from technology website? "

How do you know that those links are not helping you? If you disavow them you could be harming your site's rankings.
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? Anand Mistry 10/17/12 10:19 PM
@Herbert Sulzer

I have read entire blog post and then add my question. But, my question is about remove links which are related to non-specific subjects.
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? Anand Mistry 10/17/12 10:23 PM

@Pommie
You are right. I have read entire blog post. And, I have raised this question to get maximum suggestions on this factor.
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? QS Sam 10/17/12 11:02 PM
Dear SEO,
Yes!! What is your website related too ? The main part of SEO is depends upon the website categories, its very simple if you want to check the entire links data through webmaster tools and you think those links are harming your website ranking, its doesn't matter you can do a reconsideration of the webpage and do the regular submission based on the category.You will find that your website has more natural links where Google loves,according to me please follow the latest Google guidelines that may help you more better.

Thanks

With Regards
QS Sam
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? ShopSafe 10/17/12 11:28 PM
Luzie is wrong. Our sites had links that needed to be disavowed and we didn't get the link warning.
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? fathom 10/18/12 12:52 AM
So you disavowed and then what? 
 
You'll magically recover from a suggestion that does not need to be suggested because they are already ignored?
 
The primary reason to disavow links is when Google has taken manual action irrespective of PENGUIN... which means PENGUIN didn't handle the issue or you are a major violator of TOS.   

On Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:28:44 AM UTC-3, ShopSafe wrote:

Luzie is wrong. Our sites had links that needed to be disavowed and we didn't get the link warning.

This is an advanced feature and should only be used with caution. If used incorrectly, this feature can potentially harm your site’s performance in Google’s search results. We recommend that you disavow backlinks only if you believe you have a considerable number of spammy, artificial, or low-quality links pointing to your site, and if you are confident that the links are causing issues for you. In most cases, Google can assess which links to trust without additional guidance, so most normal or typical sites will not need to use this tool.  

 
Considering you never got a notification you realize you could just start getting natural links to your domain.
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? luzie 10/18/12 12:58 AM
Folks, do whatever you want, disavow, de-disavow at will, do it daily if you need to, but do not come here later, whining about why you don't have top-ten rankings or why your rankings haven't recovered or why your rankings even have deteriorated.
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? Pommie 10/18/12 1:15 AM
OK fathom and luzie,

Given that the explicit guidance from Google WMT states that you may not receive a warning but may be being penalised for forum signatures, and suggests that you should use the disavow tool in this case, can you please explain what it is you know that we don't, and Google don't,  that makes this information from Google wrong?

I'd be interested to know why you think Google would deliberately mislead us here too.


Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? luzie 10/18/12 2:12 AM
*Sigh* ... I knew people would instantly take this new tool as something they almost necessarily had to use in order to rank well, that also explains why Google have introduced it so late and with marked reluctance. 

Read the very first paragraph of their original announcement and explanation on the tool. 50% of this paragraph deals with situations in which you don't need to use it:

If you’ve been notified of a manual spam action based on “unnatural links” pointing to your site, this tool can help you address the issue. If you haven’t gotten this notification, this tool generally isn’t something you need to worry about. 


(ShopSafe, is this large enough for you to read now, or do I have to use an even larger font, otherwise it would possibly escape your attention again? Do you understand what it says, especially the last sentence?)
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? fathom 10/18/12 2:47 AM

On Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:15:16 AM UTC-3, Pommie wrote:
Given that the explicit guidance from Google WMT states that you may not receive a warning but may be being penalised for forum signatures,
 
I'll stop right there and point out... you'll never get penalized for forum signatures. Such links MAY be devalued which if they are means that Google has already disavowed them for you by already ignoring them.
 
You cannot make Google ignore even more. 
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? luzie 10/18/12 3:09 AM
>>> So, does it really matter to optimize links with subject orientation?
>>> Can I disavow links which we are getting from technology website?  

Q: Will most sites need to use this tool?
A: No. The vast, vast majority of sites do not need to use this tool in any way. If you’re not sure what the tool does or whether you need to use it, you probably shouldn’t use it.


Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? Pommie 10/18/12 4:50 AM
"you'll never get penalized for forum signatures. Such links MAY be devalued which if they are means that Google has already disavowed them for you by already ignoring them."
 
Q: Should I create a links file as a preventative measure even if I haven’t gotten a notification about unnatural links to my site?
 
A: If your site was affected by the Penguin algorithm update and you believe it might be because you built spammy or low-quality links to your site, you may want to look at your site's backlinks and disavow links that are the result of link schemes that violate Google's guidelines.

(the link schemes that violate Google's guidelines link gives forum signatures as a very specific example of a violation)

 So Fathom, either you or Google are wrong about what Google do here as those two quotes would appear to be mutually contradictory.
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? ShopSafe 10/18/12 5:52 AM
luzie is wrong to say that you should not use the Disavow Tools only if you receive the unnatural links warning. 

It is simply false to say "They explicitly state that the tool is to be used only in case you got the link warning" . 

They don't say that at all, in fact they say the opposite.

You use the Link Disavow to nullify links that you cannot remove by any other means, An unnatural links warning is only one scenario that might cause you to start looking.

===============

Fathom is taking a liberty in saying a site will not be penalised for Forum links without specifying the type of forum links. "Forum comments with optimized links in the post or signature" are specifically ruled out in the Link Schemes section of the Help Articles, http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=66356

(Sorry Pommie, I didn't see that you have already said more or less the same thing).
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? luzie 10/18/12 6:07 AM
>>> They don't say that at all, in fact they say the opposite.

You still don't get it.

If you haven’t gotten this notification, this tool generally isn’t something you need to worry about.

ShopSafe, your disappointment on having been deprived of your favourite popular nonsensical topic of "negative SEO" is all too obvious, so you're now desperately trying to find out where to find your place in here regarding this new development. Don't start inciting people to mess around with the disavow links tool now, it's not doing these fellows any good. They better keep their hands off this tool if 1. they ain't got the unnatural link message and if, like you, 2. they don't know exactly what they're doing.
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? fathom 10/18/12 6:14 AM

On Thursday, October 18, 2012 8:50:33 AM UTC-3, Pommie wrote:
 So Fathom, either you or Google are wrong about what Google do here as those two quotes would appear to be mutually contradictory.
 
Let's get down to brass tax here. Google says:
 

This is an advanced feature and should only be used with caution. If used incorrectly, this feature can potentially harm your site’s performance in Google’s search results. We recommend that you disavow backlinks only if you believe you have a considerable number of spammy, artificial, or low-quality links pointing to your site, and if you are confident that the links are causing issues for you. In most cases, Google can assess which links to trust without additional guidance, so most normal or typical sites will not need to use this tool.    

 
You shouldn't use the tool... unless you are confident with your spamming pracitices.
 
I would also suggest "CONSIDERABLE" mean more then 100K.
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? ShopSafe 10/18/12 6:16 AM
I'm not trying to incite anything, Herbert, and don't kid yourself that I would ever want to find a place in here, mate. Why would a sane and rational person think it was fun to chat with you all day? 

I'm just pointing out that you are either deliberately lying or don't know the facts.

There are many reasons why the Disavow Links Tool would be used and an unnatural links warning is just one of them.

Did you know that unnatural links warnings only go out for recently-detected bad links and legacy bad links from years back aren't part of that plan? No? Didn't think so.

You can use all the bold fonts in the world but it won't turn a pigs ear into a silk purse.
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? ShopSafe 10/18/12 6:23 AM
BTW Herbert.

If Google thought that negative SEO was nonsensical like you do, why have they provided the Disavow Links tool as an antidote?

Consider taking the time to think your theories through, mate.
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? fathom 10/18/12 6:25 AM

On Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:52:01 AM UTC-3, ShopSafe wrote:
Fathom is taking a liberty in saying a site will not be penalised for Forum links without specifying the type of forum links. "Forum comments with optimized links in the post or signature" are specifically ruled out in the Link Schemes section of the Help Articles, http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=66356
 
 
I'll stop right there and point out... you'll never get penalized for forum signatures. Such links MAY be devalued which if they are means that Google has already disavowed them for you by already ignoring them.
For blind members. 
 
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? ShopSafe 10/18/12 6:34 AM
It's not true to say you'll never get penalised for a forum signature. You've got to read the statement in conjunction with the help article on Link Schemes.

Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? Pommie 10/18/12 6:41 AM
PMSL fathom

Increasing the size of something that is rubbish just makes it bigger rubbish doesn't it?

Why do Google Guidelines explicitly suggest that you disavow forum signatures if you have reason to believe the may be part of a penguin related SERPS decline if doing so will have no impact?

Perhaps Matt Cutts gets a kick out of wasting our time, is that it?




Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? Pommie 10/18/12 6:43 AM
It's not true to say you'll never get penalised for a forum signature. You've got to read the statement in conjunction with the help article on Link Schemes.

http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=66356


At least somebody can read and draw a logical conclusion - thank you ;-)
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? fathom 10/18/12 7:02 AM
Pommie disavow every forum on the Internet if you so desire that's why Google provided such explicit example. Ignore the warning to, they are unimportant.
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? Pommie 10/18/12 7:11 AM
Now you are just being silly Fathom.

And I see you haven't answered the question :-)


Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? fathom 10/18/12 7:21 AM
Since Google suggests PENGUIN issues are not penalties but devaluation... I am 100% accurate.
 
If you wish to interchange these terms (in error) that is your right... but it does mean you are accurate.

On Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:34:48 AM UTC-3, ShopSafe wrote:
It's not true to say you'll never get penalised for a forum signature. You've got to read the statement in conjunction with the help article on Link Schemes.

MATT CUTTS:
 

 Danny: What’s the deal with Penguin. Is it a penalty?

Matt: We look at it something designed to tackle low-quality content. It started out with Panda, and then we noticed that there was still a lot of spam and Penguin was designed to tackle that. It’s an algorithmic change, but when we use a word like “penalty,” we’re talking about a manual action taken by the web spam team — it wasn’t that.

We don’t think of it as a penalty. We think of it as, “We have over 200 signals, and this is one of the signals.”

 
So if you website acquired sig links and lost results because of PENGUIN - that IS NOT a penalty that is a devaluation.
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? fathom 10/18/12 7:38 AM

On Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:41:54 AM UTC-3, Pommie wrote:
Why do Google Guidelines explicitly suggest that you disavow forum signatures if you have reason to believe the may be part of a penguin related SERPS decline if doing so will have no impact?

Google can assess which links to trust without additional guidance, so most normal or typical sites will not need to use this tool.

 

Google would not state that either without reason.
 
Google provides you a sampling of potential issues... it did not point explicitly to forum sig links but to link schemes.
 
Under normal posting condition you cannot compile all that many posts to be considered "CONSIDERABLE".
 
We recommend that you disavow backlinks only if you believe you have a considerable number of spammy, artificial, or low-quality links pointing to your site, and if you are confident that the links are causing issues for you
 
 How confident are you that any specific link is causing you harm?
 
Without significant research... your confidence level in likely low... which suggests you shouldn't disavow ... in the future if you want natural links from that domain ... don't cry foul.
 


Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? ShopSafe 10/18/12 7:49 AM
It's so simple to choose the links to disavow.

Google gives you a roadmap.

Every type of link that can damage your site is listed in the Google guidelines. 

It just a matter of removing the links which are stipulated to cause a penalty.
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? Pommie 10/18/12 9:21 AM
it did not point explicitly to forum sig links

Actually it did

Forum comments with optimized links in the post or signature, for example:
Thanks, that’s great info!
- Paul
paul’s pizza san diego pizza best pizza san diego


Google would not state that either without reason would they?

We are going round in circles Fathom and regardless of what you call Google's actions via Penguin they have specifically suggested that cleaning up forum sig links via disavow is a good idea even if you have not had a warning. Sorry but it's true even if you evidently don't want it to be.

Moving on , on what basis do you declare that "Under normal posting condition you cannot compile all that many posts to be considered "CONSIDERABLE"." -

How do you define considerable and how do you know how Google defines it - Can you point me to Google's definition of the word somewhere?
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Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? fathom 10/18/12 2:38 PM
So pointing to link scheme is an explicit reference for forum links is it? ...or are you inferring that because forum links was on the new page Google linked to for link schemes.
So let's see if I got these correct.
I can do a link check on you determine you post at forum X and post bogus posts with sig links to your domain... and you'll come along after because you got devalued and disavow the domain because "google explicitly states you are participating in a a link scheme from that domain".
Now you banned yourself from that forum where you cannot get a single link ... so where can I follow Google's explicit lead next?
Is this what you call Google's intended meaning... or am I inferring things beyond the scope of what Google intended?
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? fathom 10/18/12 3:00 PM

On Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:21:03 PM UTC-3, Pommie wrote:
Moving on , on what basis do you declare that "Under normal posting condition you cannot compile all that many posts to be considered "CONSIDERABLE"." -

How do you define considerable and how do you know how Google defines it - Can you point me to Google's definition of the word somewhere?
 
Google is not providing you explicit instructions... Google is noting a sampling.... You, me and the bed post are all inferring Google's meaning .... Google would need the current size of the Internet to provide you with EXPLICIT instructions.
 
I infer, when Google states you don't need to use the tool... they are stating something very important specifically at you.
 
And yes I infer that from Google's cautions. If you desire to throw caution to the wind... that's your right, but you don't strike me as very knowledgable about webspam.
 
 
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? ShopSafe 10/18/12 3:21 PM
Have you ever played chess with a pigeon, pommie. :)

The pigeon cannot win but it still struts around.
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? Albert 10/18/12 11:53 PM
You are right Jim Munro.

Still we can make use of the Forum Signatures by professionally giving backlinks to our Social Media Profiles.  


Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? Pommie 10/19/12 12:36 AM
So pointing to link scheme is an explicit reference for forum links is it? ...or are you inferring that because forum links was on the new page Google linked to for link schemes.
 
Er yes - it's pretty clear via that linked text what Google are saying . I won't bother quoting it again. If you didn't read it the first time you are unlikely to do so now.


I can do a link check on you determine you post at forum X and post bogus posts with sig links to your domain... and you'll come along after because you got devalued and disavow the domain because "google explicitly states you are participating in a a link scheme from that domain".
Now you banned yourself from that forum where you cannot get a single link ... so where can I follow Google's explicit lead next?
Is this what you call Google's intended meaning... or am I inferring things beyond the scope of what Google intended?
I wouldn't need to disavow the entire domain when Google gives me the tool to disavow specific posts. However, according to you I might as well, as you tell me Google will already have devalued the links.  You should at least TRY to be consistent.


"You, me and the bed post are all inferring Google's meaning ."

No - I'm just trying to understand exactly what they write - it's you who seems to want to infer meaning and then deciding to spuriously quantify things on here and tell people what you "know" based, it seems , on guesswork .

I may not strike you as very knowledgeable about webspam, but at least I am not trying to pretend  that I know things I don't. I am just attempting to extract meaning from exactly what Google have published.

Unless you can explain why what they have published is wrong (and you haven't got near that yet) , you are on a bit of sticky wicket mate.
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? loupiote 10/21/12 10:46 PM
"this tool generally isn’t something you need to worry about"

"generally" does not mean "always".  i think that's why people say that what you stated earlier was incorrect.  and they are right, you were slightly incorrect when you wrote:

"They explicitly state that the tool is to be used only in case you got the link warning".  google never explicitly stated that.
Re: Can I use a new tool to disavow links for existing links to my website? Pommie 11/2/12 8:27 AM
And for the hard of thinking here is what Matt Cutts clarified a couple of days ago

The post [Google's announcement post last week] says anyone with an unnatural link warning. It also mentions anyone hit by Penguin, but I keep getting asked about this. I’m going to reiterate that if you were hit by Penguin and know or think you have bad links, you should probably use this too.

Being slightly incorrect in saying "They explicitly state that the tool is to be used only in case you got the link warning" would be a bit like being slightly a virgin. ;-)
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