|Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||romancoins79||6/25/12 5:06 AM|
My name is Csorik Janos and I am the administrator of www.vapori.ro. I would like to report a massive spam attack against my website launched probably by one of my commercial competitors.
In may 1 2012 my website’s address (in link form) was submitted to over 800 sites, blogs and forums of low quality. The links to my site are in the signatures of invented users on forums.
The email used by the attacker in the forum forms is taverni...@gmail.com
I managed to trace the IP address of the attacker and it looks like he is a professional spammer. His IP seems to be used in hundreds of spam attacks. The IP address looks to be from China – I found it on a forum dedicated to fight spam.
Please take a look:
The spammer used the anchor text “tigara electronica” attached to my website link. This expression is one of my most important keywords for my business.
It seems that the spammer willing to wrong me – fooled the google anti-spam algorithm in to believing that my site is making spam. Because of the great amount of the trashy sites linking to my site, google decreased my ranking on this specific keyword.
I consulted the google help files and I know that the first step would be for me to contact the administrators of the sites where my site was abusively introduced. But it would be a tremendous effort to cantact 800 administrators and ask them to remove the links. And I even if I could do that in a few weeks time – what will I do If I will be attacked again next week?
I understood that the google algorithm should be protected against such manipulations by competitors . But in my case it looks like the spammer technique employed by the attacker worked very well.
Please help me solve this problem!
|Re: Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||fathom||6/25/12 5:37 AM|
So you have no loses yet?
In the context of Negative SEO you will see a huge increase in ranks & traffic... which as you suggest is not of your own making. When you lose that - again it wasn't of your own making so "you were not entitled to it".
If your current ranks are not associated with similar low quality and otherwise unnatural links you can be sure that you fall from Google's grace will be limited to what wasn't of your own making.
If however, you have invested in webspam yourself and your current ranks are predominently based on your own developed webspam of similar low quality and otherwise unnatural links you can be sure you will lose those links in addition to the Negative SEO stuff.
It would therefore be best to be proactive and rel="nofollow" all webspam links you developed to prevent the webspam that other developed from harming you.
|Re: Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||fathom||6/25/12 5:45 AM|
It would be good for reviewing purposes - what link profile links are yours?
Forget what the spammer developed... what are your high quality links in comparison?
See... if you developed forum sig links... and you claim these are high quality and the spammer developed forum sig links but these are consider low quality... that's highly subjective.
Or if you do comment links and the spammer does comment links that are identical to your... surely you are equally a spammer - correct?
|Re: Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||Ayesha Ambreen||6/25/12 5:48 AM|
To be honest, you shouldn't be that sure about the accuracy of Google Engine. The Penguin (Link Penality) update has given rise to such cases where competitors are using unnatural linking to overload/spam sites. To overcome this issue, Google, in an event, announced the upcoming Webmaster feature that will let you block links from the Google Web master. But for now, know that Google is not perfect. You'll have to see and prepare your site to anticipate and reduce the affect.
|Re: Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||Phil Payne||6/25/12 6:18 AM|
I think there are quite enough self-placed crappy links to impact this site without any enemy action.
It would be nice if Google took a look, though.
|Re: Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||fathom||6/25/12 6:32 AM|
On Monday, June 25, 2012 9:48:31 AM UTC-3, Ayesha Ambreen wrote:
It's important to realize one has nothing to do with the other.
I'm 100% positive that all websites have links - they never ever developed... and I'm 100% positive that so long as ranks & traffic are great you don't take much notice of them. I'm also 100% positive that when things go awry you go looking for the cause AND I am also 100% positive when you finally see these links you never developed are really there the last thing you think about is how you cause your own issues... "THIS IS THE ANSWER TO YOUR NIGHTMARE!' It removes all blame off your shoulders.
As I already mentioned it would be good for reviewing purposes to do a link profile compare - what you developed and what you think someone else developed to harm you to objectively determine the risks of exposure.
Lastly, Google tool development... you will unlikely find anti- negative SEO tools... that will convert you from a bad link profile to a good link profile... if they merely develop a disavow link tool... and never show you exactly which links are causing you an algorithm problem (and they will never do the latter) you'll be no further ahead than you are now.
I find it odd that a competitor would harm "just you"... for them to have any move up replacement value they would need to harm all... thus the unknown competitor doing evil things... while moronically possible is practically improbable. Yes it could happen but yes it is far more likely wishful thinking.
If I want to harm "YOU"... I would spend my money on "ME"... making "ME" better thus reducing your effectiveness... much more permanent staying power for one.
|Re: Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||romancoins79||6/25/12 3:05 PM|
Thank you all for your help!
Dear Ayesha, this is great news – a tool like that would be perfect for my case!
Dear Phil, thanks for your smart remark “self-placed crappy links”. You may consider to abstain to help others this way.
Dear Fathom, I understand perfectly what you say but I think that if I give you some more details you will see that what you described is not my situation.
First of all I am not a seo guru as you probably realized until now. I built this site 3 years ago and I spent a lot of time taking care of the unique quality of the content, keywords density, backlinks, social media and again new quality content and anything involved in the marketing of the site. I invested a lot of time in trying to make it better. And it paid off brilliantly until now.
My site had, according to Alexa.com, approximately 200 inbound links in april 2012. Almost all the links were from local (local) forums, blogs and articles and some Romanian search directories. Some of these links were generated by my activity on Romanian forums, some old search directory submissions, others were made by my customers on some blogs, forums….
200 inbound links is maybe not much, but in my line of activity working in a small country was just enough to make my site rank high (top 3) on most of my preferred keywords.
In May 1 as I earlier said somebody made approximately 300 forum submissions using my site’s address and approximately 500 blog entries. Most of the entries were made using the anchor text “tigara electronica” (which is as I said one of my most important keywords). The example sites that I posted earlier are from forum subscriptions and are some of the nicest ones – on the other hand most of the blog entries are in porn/trash blogs. I will not post those due to their adult content. Most of the entries are in exotic languages (1-200 in Russian, some in Turkish, some in Chinese blogs). All these submissions were made on a single day on may 1 (I checked the date on the foums and blogs).
As a result my site gained in 6 weeks 800 new inbound links. Today Alexa shows that 1033 site are linking to me. 800 links maybe is not much if your name is Microsoft and you have already 16000 inbound links. But in my case the ratio is 1:4 – in other words my incoming links grew almost with 400% due to submissions made in one day. Of course google realized this abnormal increase and penalized my site, and of course I had realized that my ranking dropped with 8 positions in one month and of course I looked for the cause of it and I think it is definitely related to the attack of my site.
So Fathom put yourself in my shoes. You have a site which is working great and ranking high for 3 years and suddenly It drops on only one keyword but it still works great on the rest. You search for a cause and you found out that on may 1 somebody makes 800 submissions with my site address and with an anchor text that is the keyword that went down in rankings.
As I earlier said I am not a Seo Master but the explanation is i think clear as daylight, I don’t think that there is another explanation for my problem.
So in the end I can say without being paranoid that somebody wanted to harm especially “ME” even if is counterproductive, even if he would have done better if he invested in his own site. I don’t understand these people but it seems that for some people vengeance is more important than anything else.
So I really hope that Ayesha has a valid info about the new webmaster feature.
My site is local and small. But if what happened to me is applied to a big scale – it would mean that any site can be attacked this way and nobody is really safe. I hope that Google will pay attention to this exploit and take the appropriate measures.
|Re: Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||luzie||6/25/12 3:11 PM|
>>>Dear Phil, thanks for your smart remark “self-placed crappy links”.
No, no, we wanna hear that every time it's true.
Where did you get REAL links for “tigara electronica” from? If I'm right, this keyword is spammy just in itself. No related site I know could stay permanently stable in search results for this phrase.
|Re: Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||romancoins79||6/26/12 2:24 AM|
"Tigara electronica" means "electronic cigarette" in romanian language - i don't know if it is "spammy" or not - but none the less is what i sell.
The backlinks i built are consisting from articles, forums on which i use to activate, some good quality blogs. They are not PR7-9 sites but most of them are decent sites with good quality content with PR4 or 5.
|Re: Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||mvhs13||6/26/12 2:29 AM|
Hi! Even i am very eager to see the tool in my webmaster tools :) .... anyone have any fresh news about it ?
|Re: Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||Pelagic||6/26/12 4:03 AM|
Hi Csorik, someone has obviously performed an xrumer blast, ignoring that there is a spam footprint that I believe was created by you ;(
|Re: Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||Phil Payne||6/26/12 4:34 AM|
> Hi! Even i am very eager to see the tool in my webmaster tools :) .... anyone have any fresh news about it ?No. But I very much hope it DOESN'T come in Webmaster Tools. It's an issue that is potentially relevant to all search engines and I'd like to see something like a new Disavow: or Badlink: directive in robots.txt that could be read and used by all robots.
|Re: Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||ShopSafe||6/26/12 4:57 AM|
Apparently there has been no news since it was said to be under consideration with no eta or certainty of implemetation.
Do any of these look familiar?
|Re: Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||True Answers No Hypocrisy||6/26/12 5:31 AM|
you won't find any useful answer here.
the point here is he is down by competitor attack not by the links he built himself
the links he built is completely irrelevant to the topic
|Re: Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||romancoins79||6/26/12 5:36 AM|
I was reading about this tool Xrumer. It fit's my profile exactly. Only an automated attack could place 800 links in a single day.
Dear ShopSafe - the article defines exactly what hapend to me :(
It feels bad and wrong that after investing a lot of time and effort in something somebody can just wipe it out with a few keystrokes.
Maybe the links i had started with were not the best ones. But as i said earlier i have a relatively small business in a small country and until the attack everything ranked just fine.
Thank you for your help!
|Re: Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||Pelagic||6/26/12 5:42 AM|
Hi again Csorik, you have conveniently missed my point, spam created by you ;(
|Re: Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||soldster||6/26/12 5:55 AM|
You are the least helpful post on the forum, always attacking, never seeking to provide actual beneficial help to anyone. WHy don't you go away.
|Re: Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||romancoins79||6/26/12 5:57 AM|
SE_Expert i think that you are absolutely RIGHT ! :)
|Re: Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||romancoins79||6/26/12 6:04 AM|
Pelagic - it seemd that i misunderstood. You suggest that i am suicidal and i inflicted myself with 800 links in one day?
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|Re: Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||Pelagic||6/26/12 6:11 AM|
Not at all, I didn't suggest that you responsible for the xrumer blast, what I am suggesting that you have been building spammy links yourself !
|Re: Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||Pelagic||6/26/12 6:19 AM|
OK, Csorik, you have a number of forum aliases and email addresses, one of these is caesartimurius, specifically you have an email address using that alias, do you disagree ?
Then I will ask how a spammer would get hold of your actual date of birth ?
|Re: Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||romancoins79||6/26/12 6:25 AM|
Again i see that we turn back to the quality of my existing links.
As SE_Expert said earlier i am looking for a solution to combat the effects of the attack. I don't need an analysis of my failures as a webmaster.
I am not perfect but i always try to learn from my mistakes.
|Re: Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||Pelagic||6/26/12 6:32 AM|
You made an assertion that a competitor created all your spammy links, I assert that you also created a proportion of them !
|Re: Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||fathom||6/26/12 9:45 AM|
Removing all the unnatural links developed by you removes all influences that you created to induce ranks.
Remember, by your own admission a competitor developing links to you are not developed to provide you ranks... they are meant to uncover your shady ways.
Getting rid of your shady ways... solves your problem.
OR you can do as ShopSafe claims "WAIT FOR IT"... there is no eta and it could be 2020 or 2035.
On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:25:29 AM UTC-3, romancoins79 wrote:
Again i see that we turn back to the quality of my existing links.
|Re: Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||Phil Payne||6/26/12 12:05 PM|
> You made an assertion that a competitor created all your spammy links, I assert that you also created a proportion of them !
Has my vote.
|Re: Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||_cup||6/26/12 12:28 PM|
What if guy really did not make all those links? I don't say he did not ... I don't know just ask what if?
I personaly know webmasters blasted by Pinguin and I agree that self promoting by spamming need to stop once.
I realize one thing since Penguin I must search what I need on Google on pages 10-20 if I not use quotes. Said :(
I know how to find what am looking for but what about my dad who open sites by search domain name on Google homepage and click on first result. LOLZ
Hopefully Penguin ver. 10.xxxx will handle those issues easily.
|Re: Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||romancoins79||6/26/12 1:48 PM|
All right it seems that we "can't see the forest for the trees." The question was and still is what can somebody do after an spam attack like this?
|Re: Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||_cup||6/26/12 2:00 PM|
go to GWT export link table to excel. Start search for whois of domains and pickup emails of owners and ask "kind" for removal.
Hope the best. Work hard and when you remove many links send Google reconsideration request explain situation and hope for some recovery.
|Re: Massive link attack launched by competitors affected ranking||Grandmaster Flash||6/26/12 2:24 PM|
1) The best answer here, clearly is far from it since there has been NO announcement of an upcoming link disavowal tool, only that it is being considered.
2) If you create spam links (admitted by OP) you create an backlink profile that is un-natural and if someone were to buy more spam links, there is no way Google is going to be able to tell one from the other.
Pelagic is right on