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Re: JohnMu's Hangouts Statement on 301s

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Re: JohnMu's Hangouts Statement on 301s Ashley 4/11/13 9:48 AM
Hmmm.... interesting.

The pages seem to respond ok and don't have anything blocking them. 

How long ago did you build out the pages, fetch and make sure they were crawlable? It has really been over a year? That definitely seems off. 

Let me see if I can dig and ask some folks to see what's happening here. 

The backlink profile to the root domain definitely shows some iffy stuff happening...
Re: JohnMu's Hangouts Statement on 301s Editor99 4/11/13 10:03 AM
Pages were built starting last July (you can see the dates on the pages themselves), then development stopped when we realized Google wasn't indexing the pages.

We've done a "Fetch as Google," numerous times and always received a "Success - URL submitted to index."

Up until 3/30/2013 GWT was showing 6-8 pages were indexed which would be the correct number, but they never showed up with the "site:" search.

All last year, with only the home page indexed, Google was still ranking the site number 1 for some pretty hefty searches. They had nothing to do with our new content, but ranking none the less.

It looks to us like the domain is stuck in limbo land...maybe because of the volume of 404s Googlebot gets.
Re: JohnMu's Hangouts Statement on 301s Ashley 4/11/13 10:10 AM
16K links... I think the site has a history. :)
Re: JohnMu's Hangouts Statement on 301s cristina 4/11/13 10:45 AM
Did you submit a sitemap from Google Webmaster Tools?
It would be interesting to see if the sitemap was accepted OK or if there are error messages for the sitemap.
Do you have web crawl errors at Health - Crawl errors?
Have also a look just in case at when Googlebot accessed the robots.txt file, with what status and with what content, at Health - Blocked URLs.
Look in Google Webmaster Tools at both site URLs, with www and without www.



Re: JohnMu's Hangouts Statement on 301s Editor99 4/11/13 10:59 AM
No crawl errors ever in GWT.

We never submitted a sitemap because...

1.) GWT was always showing the correct number of pages as indexed.

2.) Fetch as Google always showed "Success - URL submitted to index."

3.) No blocked urls under Health.

Very strange situation. I'm hoping the previous 301 is the problem, although I can't find any case of a domain acting like this before.
Re: JohnMu's Hangouts Statement on 301s Ashley 4/11/13 12:26 PM
Someone else I asked pointed out that a part of the issue may be the actual quality of the content.

What's the point of the site? I lived in Miami for some time - none of these seems relevant, rich, unique or very useful. What's the purpose of the site, actually?

It could be that Google has chosen not to index these pages.




The content quality + link history/profile definitely seems to indicate that quality for users isn't your main goal with this site. 
Re: JohnMu's Hangouts Statement on 301s Editor99 4/11/13 1:25 PM
I don't think that's the problem.

Each of those pages had a Google Trends chart on them and the content was going to be used to describe the changes reflected in the charts. They have since been removed when development stopped due to non-indexing.

Remember, GWT showed all six pages as being indexed for 9 months up until 3/30/2013. Google was also ranking the Home page for some pretty strong search terms up until then. (Why they did it I don't know because the new content had nothing to do with phrases like "Twitter Trends")

The site also never received an un-natural links notification, and Google's Web Spam team reported that there are no manual penalties.

Re: JohnMu's Hangouts Statement on 301s Ashley 4/11/13 1:39 PM
You have tons of backlinks with the anchor text Twitter Trends.

Seriously, I think you need to consider that it may be a mix of a spammy history plus low quality content. 
Re: JohnMu's Hangouts Statement on 301s Suzanneh 4/11/13 1:54 PM
Do you own any other sites that have similar content?

Suzanne
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Re: JohnMu's Hangouts Statement on 301s Editor99 4/11/13 2:20 PM
None with content like this one was going to have. I guess the problem is the links pointing to it. I see Matt just put out a video on this very subject.

Oh well...I'm off to find a new domain...
Re: JohnMu's Hangouts Statement on 301s JohnMu 4/12/13 12:18 AM
Hi Editor99,

thanks for posting! I passed it on to the team to check out -- it might be that there was just a technical quirk on our side that was blocking those pages. In general, unless the content is primarily spam (eg spun / rewritten / scraped content), we'd try to at least have it indexed, so when you see things like this, it's good to bring them to our attention (thanks, Ashley!). 

That said, at the moment when I access your site, it's returning an empty page, so it would be good to get the content back up & running if you can (or return 503 if you're doing some maintenance).

Cheers
John