|Why is there no menu bar on chrome? i.e. File View Help Favorites Edit Tools, etc. would make it easier to use.||wmlg41||6/23/09 3:04 PM|
|Re: Why is there no menu bar on chrome? i.e. File View Help Favorites Edit Tools, etc. would make it easier to use.||wár17 §||6/23/09 3:18 PM|
To run lean and fast, Google decided to forgo the menu bar. Menu items can be found under Page and Wrench icons.
|Re: Why is there no menu bar on chrome? i.e. File View Help Favorites Edit Tools, etc. would make it easier to use.||Aine||7/23/09 2:04 PM|
Sorry, no. Wrong answer, war17. In Chrome, try to open any html or pdf file on your own computer... using Chrome to locate that file. There are NO options under Page or Wrench icons that will allow you to do this. Unbelievably inconvenient design flaw.
|Re: Why is there no menu bar on chrome? i.e. File View Help Favorites Edit Tools, etc. would make it easier to use.||richard.mcdonough||7/24/09 10:18 PM|
Insanely inconvenient. Very Microsfty in its approach. Kindegarten assumption about users. Insulting. Lacks tool bar is only the worst of its traits.
|peterjwest||7/25/09 8:26 AM|
The menu bar has been hidden for several reasons. The features which are most commonly used are available using the current buttons and the home page. For example you can access all of your favourites using the bookmarks bar (Ctrl+B - although many of us would like this displayed by default). You can access recent and commonly visited bookmarks from the home page, where you can also search your history.
Although you may use the menu bar frequently, the majority of users do not and prefer to use other options such as the right click menu and keyboard shortcuts. The Google Chrome team have done a lot of usability testing to find out what works best for users. The menu bar takes up screen space and can be vast and confusing for many users, particularly new users.
If you use the menu bar particularly frequently you should consider using keyboard shortcuts instead which can speed up your use of the computer considerably.
Re: Aine - You can open a file from your computer using Ctrl+O, however I agree this should be visible in the Page icon.
|nevets kael||9/28/09 1:46 PM|
I will forego the supposed quick of chrome for that which Iam accustomed to,besides never did like chrome anything prefer white gold or platnum,or stainless chrome anything usually in material things is junk perhaps the same can be said of non material things.
Like several upsetting supposed new inventions by Goo i.e. earth,bar,blog,and now chrome I've only been let down.
It is true if it sounds to good to be true it probably is.
I want my file,favorites,tools,etc bar!!!!!
|nightspell79564||10/25/09 8:46 PM|
Just an observation: Would it be possible to add a menu bar to Google Chrome?
|caver_tim||10/26/09 5:52 AM|
If you need a menu bar that much, i suggest not installing
MS office 2007
Lotus eSuite etc
|Xakk||10/26/09 11:12 AM|
Indeed, cave_troll makes a valid point. Most new software adheres to a strict need for increased productivity. The packages listed along with several others have been designed in absence of a menu bar due to the ambiguity of where tasks are found within the menus. In my opinion, Apple software overcomes this issue by keeping tasks in standard locations across different pieces of software; however, I have found myself searching for a feature in Apple packages as often as I have in PC packages with lots of features hidden somewhere in the menu bar. Most keyboard shortcuts have been included in Chrome and prove to be a more productive means to initiating new tasks anyway.
Perhaps a few more features could be shown under page and wrench to help new users adjust.
|Xakk||10/26/09 11:36 AM|
Note: "We avoid putting things into our UI in the same way you would hope that Apple and Microsoft would avoid putting things into the standard window frames of applications on their operating systems."
|roxstyle||11/16/09 3:18 PM|
I use only a wacom tablet to navigate (no mouse and little keyboard). Not having a menu option for file > open file to navigate to file on computer has been the main reason i only use chrome for last minute testing, because i need to open another browser to navigate to the local page, then copy and paste into chrome url form. Since navigating through local files for preview in browser, is a large part of what I do, chrome seems very unfriendly.
|caver_tim||11/26/09 3:25 AM|
Rox I appreciate your problem, probably similar to people with mobility problems not being able to hold the CTRL key down for short cuts.
I suspect however that its a bit like buying a sports car and complaining that it can't go off road. - you might be better off buying a fast off road car instead.
|Barbados 2004||12/24/09 1:20 AM|
Look...I am not Computer minded. I don't care about all the bells & whistles. So I guess that I would be one of the best people to test this new way of working on. If it was no good, then I wouldn't use it. But because I have used it ever since it first came out, then that must mean that it's pretty OK. I used Internet Explorer before at home, & I still use it in the job that I have today. And I don't like it. It has too much stuff available to me on the screen that I will probably never-ever use. Things like keys to save & to edit. My view is this. If I want it, I will use it. And I would go looking for it if I wanted it that much. But what I want is simple. A screen that loads quickly, is simple to use, but if I need it to do something advanced, that it has the ability to do that aswell. All this is is that some people will complain no matter what you do. But so what? It's good!
|ManishShah||1/14/10 6:40 AM|
Some functions like File/Send ... are really useful. I use this all the time to send email of the URL link. Better than having to load the email app and cut and pasting the URL.
|Niwashi||1/14/10 12:21 PM|
I have no problem with where the menu is at in Chrome (under the page and wrench icons instead of text headings), but wherever it's at, some basic features like "Open" should be included in it. Trying to learn all the keyboard shortcuts so we can get along without menu items is difficult (particularly when there's no listing within Chrome itself showing us what those shortcuts are). Thanks peterjwest for pointing out CTRL+O, I hadn't found that one before.
|sioboop||2/23/10 12:32 PM|
And that is EXACTLY why I have NOT installed MS 2007... Give my menus back!
|caver_tim||2/24/10 3:51 AM|
would you be happier if the menu icons were not little pictures but the words "Stuff related to this page"/"Page" and "stuff to do with Chrome generally" / "Tools"
is it just that the menus are under icons you object to or do you really need the whole "file , Edit, tools" menus?
|RoyBlocher||3/8/10 5:27 AM|
Removing the menu bar removes much functionality. For example, in Chrome using Outlook Web Access I cannot save a draft of a message as that function is tied to the save function on the file menu. Saving the page to my disc is not satisfactory as it is no longer a message in progress in the email program. Another example, Chrome has the Save page function, but no Send page as. So my issue is if you remove the bar, how do you provide the functionality? I therefore find Chrome lacking in many functions needed in my routine. At least in MS Office 2007, though greatly more confusing with their "ribbon" concept, all the functions are there, somewhere. So provide the functionality or I will be forced to uninstall in favor of IE, Maxthon, or Firefox, all of which provide full functionality.
|caver_tim||3/8/10 6:46 AM|
even if chrome had a normal menu bar some features would not be missing
eg Print preview, send page as email etc.
so it sounds more like the features you want are missing in Chrome, not that the moving of the menus means you can't get to them
Chrome does still have menus, its just that there are only two of them and the menu bar has been replaced with two icons.
|Niwashi||3/9/10 2:26 PM|
People should quit pretending as though a "menu bar" is what's missing if their argument comes down to actual features that Chrome doesn't have. If you don't like the way Chrome saves pages, then your argument should be about the way Chrome saves pages. Having a more traditional-looking menu bar wouldn't help that problem. It would just make you go to "File / Save Page as..." rather than "Page / Save Page as..." to get the same behavior you don't like now.
I'm not familiar with the email setup Roy Blocher describes. The web mail site I use provides a "Save as Draft" button on their Compose Mail page, and that works fine with Chrome. If Outlook Web Access's approach doesn't work as well, then the request should be for a change in the way Chrome saves pages to something that would be more compatible with that program. But whether the top line of the menu bar has words or icons is irrelevant to that request. The menu bar we've already got would work fine for it if the saving feature itself were developed.
|RoyBlocher||3/13/10 7:46 AM|
I was not pretending, nor focused on the menu bar itself. I spoke of losing functionality that had been represented by the commands on a menubar in other programs. It is unimportant HOW that functionality is presented, but only that it is available in the program. It is clear that Chrome is not offering the robust functionality I require. I will uninstall, though I am sure it will be others favorite browser. My best to you all and to Google's continued success.
|drael||3/21/10 9:49 AM|
Can't find print preview anywhere. I use it a lot.
|wár17 §||3/21/10 10:31 AM|
Chrome by itself does not have print preview. As a workaround you can download and install IETab extension. Then when you want to print preview a page, click on IETab icon. Right click on the page and select Print Preview.
|Beeblbrox||3/24/10 6:48 AM|
I'd like to open a local html file in Chrome. As far as I can see there is no easy way to do this. I cannot find the option anywhere in Chrome. So I have to go back to the OS, find my file, right-click, Open With -> Choose program, new dialogue box opens, choose from (looong) list, decide whether to make Chrome default program for this extension (which I don't) etc. etc. etc.
Chrome want a seamless web experience. Well jolly good for them, but would it really have been that hard to add an option to switch on traditional menus in the settings dialogue a la Safari so anybody that has been using PC's for more than 5 minutes knows where they are?
|Stefan_K||3/24/10 6:51 AM|
I'm happy that chrome has no menu bar. If chrome had a menu bar, I would use Firefox, Safari or Opera. Please do not add a menu bar on chrome! Thank you!
|caver_tim||3/24/10 7:04 AM|
to open a local file sue the keyboard short cut <Ctrl>+O
|Beeblbrox||3/24/10 7:09 AM|
Actually... Chrome wasn't even in the list to choose from to open the html file! Luckily I'm not scared of navigating to the actual Chrome EXE file in the filesystem and selecting that to use for opening local html files.... serious serious oversight. Love to see a PC newbie attempt this ridiculously basic function (open a local file). Anybody that thinks removing this functionality is a good thing must be under the delusions of some serious indoctrination (believe me I'm no partisan for Microsoft, I seriously expected better from Google).
|Beeblbrox||3/24/10 7:11 AM|
Yes, I used Ctrl-O to see what happened. Keyboard *shortcuts* are just that, they aren't meant to be a replacement for a UI experience. They are meant to short-cut to something that exists elewhere - the clue is in the definition of the word shortcut.
|caver_tim||3/24/10 8:49 AM|
missing the option to open local files from the Chrome menu system is nothing to do with Google moving the menus.
Not having a traditional menu bar is also nothing to do with you not being able to do print preview from Chrome.
|MenuBarLover||4/2/10 5:16 PM|
I'm sure all the "browser snobs" just love the fact that there is no menu bar as it enables them to feel superior to IE and Firefox users as evidenced by the many comments the "chromies" make who defend this nonsense on the various help forums. Reminds me of how Mac users look down on us lowly PC users with that arrogant air of superiority. I shouldn't have to work this hard to navigate within my browser. I chuckled when I saw the option to make Chrome my default browser. I won't even make it one of my back up browsers.
|homburg||4/4/10 5:07 AM|
There are a few keyboard shortcuts that should be standard.
Everybody knows Ctrl+X, +C, +V
And Alt+F and Ctrl+O is used in so many programs, that it is an established standard
|jwhibdon||4/7/10 3:41 PM|
I don't care about all the other stuff I can find and use it when I want it but there is no functional bookmark in the thing at all. The bookmark bar is a joke and does not work. The xmarks takes to may clicks to get to for it to be functional. I don't care how fast it is I just want a bookmark button just like in Firefox and Opera. I don't know what IE has or does, I have not use the junk in 10 years and will not use this one until it works for me the way I want it to, not how some programmer thinks I should want it to work.
|M4192||4/7/10 6:23 PM|
I like the two available menus and doubt Chrome is going to switch to a menu bar anytime soon. It is easy to find things and they aren't cluttered with unnecessary options. They should however include basic features such as "Open" in the menus.
|justflick||4/7/10 8:54 PM|
you can just go to the menu bar and type whatever drive letter you want to browse, followed by a colon. For example
(CTRL+T for new tab) then type C:
(CTRL+T) then type E:
This way, your folder browsing is just another tab so you can use CTRL+TAB to switch between directories :)
IE and Firefox can both do this, but they enable the oldschool method, which is less useful if you frequently switch to very different directories.
|margotbean||4/8/10 3:41 PM|
Software 101: Forcing the user to switch back-and-forth between the mouse and keyboard shortcuts is BAD.
Having just spent months updating the user-friendliness of large software applications, I'm really in awe of Chrome's stupidity on this issue. It must have been a business decision in reaction to Internet Explorer's unnecessary and difficult-to-remove clutter...
|homburg||5/2/10 2:16 PM|
"File/send" - Have you tried bookmarklets?
Personally I use the gleebox extension for all my context actions: send, share, grab, make readable, etc
|wheelie007||5/4/10 2:59 AM|
Why do people think that MS Office 2007 has no menu? It may not be across the top like IE and Firefox but if you click on the office icon in the top left corner, it drops down. Why can't Chrome do the same? No menu is a pain.
|caver_tim||5/4/10 4:08 AM|
It depends on what you call a menu.
The menu you're talking about office 2007 does not replicate most of the functions that were available in Office 2003. eg formatting a paragraph in word 2007 needs you to open the formatting ribbon.
Google Chrome does have menus, but they have been reduced to two and are located under icons rather than the traditional "Page" and "Tools" menu headers. Most of the time, if Chrome can do it, its available under the menus in Chrome. "print preview" is not on the menus because Chrome can't do that yet.
There are a few omissions eg "open local file" is not on the menus, but is available from a keyboard short cut (CTRL+O)
If you want the old "File Edit Tools Help" style menu bar, then we can make the general statement "Google Chrome, Office 2007, Autocad 2010 do not have a menu bar".
|wheelie007||5/4/10 5:19 AM|
That's true cave_troll tho for a small fee a third party app "Classic Menus for Office 2007" is a worthwhile investment.
Back to chrome, I would be satisfied with the office style menu on Chrome rather than the way it is. A case of better than nothing.
|caver_tim||5/4/10 8:44 AM|
As a system it is compact and the menus are there. Its just the labels are icons rather than text labels.
Interestingly the keyboard shortcuts still work so ALT+F drops down the tools menu and ALT+E drops down the Page menu (File and Edit)Pressing the Alt key or F10 highlights the menu icon and you caqn use the cursor keys to navigate the menus. This is exactly the same behaviour as old style menus.
So really, the menus are there, its just that the number of menus has been dropped to 2 and the Menu text labels have been replaced by icons.
If the Icons were replaced by text labels
would people be happier?
|wheelie007||5/4/10 8:59 PM|
Icon or text is irrelevant. I want the Page menu to include "Open File".
|caver_tim||5/5/10 1:21 AM|
that is a whole different problem and not related to "my google chrome menus look different"
along with "there's no page preview"
|mark.malewski||5/10/10 7:35 PM|
Having a menu bar (that could be turned on or off) would seem to make sense, especially for the majority of users who want it. It's stupid for Google to just eliminate something, and expect people to just learn to live without.
Google quit being stupid and lazy, and just give users a simple menu bar that they can enable or disable, so they have all the features that they want (identical to FireFox or IE).
Simple things like a "Print Preview" and "Page Setup" are standard features that Google really has fallen asleep on, and thank-God Google isn't developing an operating system, or they would probably develop an operating system that couldn't save, print, or even turn on or turn off. I'm really displeased with the Google's stupidity when it comes to their stupid lack of common sense, and the fact that they IGNORE what the end users want.
Feature requests (and even something as simple as a "Print Preview" feature seem to fall upon deaf ears at Google, and wasting paper is extremely annoying, but I supposed all that we can do is vote for it here:
Suggest a feature for Google Chrome(Web)
About all you can do is make a post here on the developer's forum, and let them know that you're irritated by the fact that they seem to ignore such a simple features like "Print Preview".
The developer's seem to believe that no one even uses "Print Preview" and that there is no need to change a page rotation from portrait to landscape, or even a basic "Print Preview" features to save on wasting paper.
Firefox has it, IE has it, and just about every single application has it (except for Google Chrome). You can vote for the feature on the link here:
Suggest a feature for Google Chrome (Print Preview Option) here:
Then you can ask the developers to at least add a "Print Preview" by posting on the developer's forum here:
They've known about the issue for almost 2 years now (over a year and a half) and the developers have done nothing about it, and they seem to believe that it's not a needed feature, or that no one even uses it. So please take the time to voice your concerns to the developers about wanting this "Print Preview" feature, and please take the time to ask the developers to at least quit wasting their development time on silly stupid crap, while ignoring the most basic (and widely used) functional features such as a "Print Preview", and "Page Orientation" option:
You can read more about the feature request here:
You can also make a post to the Google Chrome developers here:
|caver_tim||5/11/10 1:49 AM|
Mark , from all your posts, we know you think Google suck big time.
what about the fact that there IS a menu bar. Its just that the headers are icons not text labels and its been pruned to two drop downs.
|M4192||5/11/10 4:59 AM|
Actually mark, Google are developing two operating systems... But anyway, the things many of you are asking for are features that could be put under the existing menus. If Google puts in a traditional menu bar it doesn't mean features like Print Preview come with it.
|Web_Dev||5/11/10 1:07 PM|
Were you just trying to pull off the Jedi mind trick?
You know good and well that the icon menus are not what we're requesting.
File, Edit, View, Bookmarks, Tools, Help... you know, UI elements that have been standard for roughly 25 years...
Google is certainly free to not implement them, but we're also free to keep requesting them.
|caver_tim||5/12/10 1:16 AM|
there is no point in having a "view" menu if the only think in it is "zoom"
So why not combine Edit and view...
Make "bookmarks" available on a bar.
why have "help" if the only thing on it is "about", stick that under "file"
This leaves us with
"file", "edit", "tools"
etc etcnow save a bit of screen real estate by having those menus that are left alongside the address bar.
what i was trying to point out is that not having a traditional menu bar does not remove any functionality.
chrome are trying to do something different.
The minimise, maximise and close window box look different as well. why do google need to change that established UI?
Every browser before had an address box and a search box. why did google have to change that "established" UI and introduce an "all in one bar" ?
|Web_Dev||5/12/10 12:40 PM|
Under "View", you'd have Zoom and other items, like Encoding, Page Source, Style, Image options... You know, things that have an effect on how the page looks.
Under the "Help" menu, there'd actually be a Help item. A way to search the documentation for a solution to a specified problem, in other words "help"...
So, that gets us back to "File, Edit, View, Bookmarks, Tools, Help".
I think it's a fantastic idea to have an option of condensing down the most used menu items to a short list under those icons. It's an asinine idea to make that the only way.
Why not replace the accelerator and brake pedals in the automobile with a single stick that you push forwards or backwards? You'd save floor real estate and permit people without legs to drive your automobile without any special modifications.
It's about usability. If every other program that I use maintains a standard UI, the one that's unnecessarily different is less usable.
On my system, minimize, maximize and close look the same in chrome as in every other program.
If I ever used the search box, I might be requesting that google make it available as an option. As it stands, I never really used it, so I didn't miss it.
I don't expect to convince you that I'm right, it's a matter of opinion. There is no right or wrong, I'm just requesting a feature in a product that I'd like to be able to use.
|TPN247||5/18/10 8:12 AM|
I have stopped using Chrome as of 5.18.2010 No way to get this menu to come up? No way I am using the software. THAT is choice, my friends at Google. And the rest of us will show what CHOICE means in November 2010 when we vote out everyone that did not give a damn about CHOICE (i.e. bailouts of US banks, auto manufacturers, auto dealers, health care reform(!), and now the bailing out of international banks(!!)
Your other software is cool. You screwed up, royally, with Chrome and this "no menu bar" disposition. Bye.
|semjaza||7/19/10 7:46 AM|
Give me an OPTION to have a menu bar. Seriously. I HATE the chrome UI.
|greyked||7/23/10 11:50 PM|
I'm sorry to say, but like others I dislike the missing of the possibility to activate the menu bar.
In my view Google, the Chrome developing team, ignores the generally accepted UI standard.
On OSX Chrome cannot escape this standard, but on Windows it can, and it does not work for me.
(I.e. having to learn another UI with every new program. The given example of Microsoft is also quite cumbersome to work with. It is like the famous swing on a tree designed by IT people, ending up with its arms connected to branches on opposite sides of the stem).
|meshane||1/3/11 11:08 AM|
Look, the fact that this discussion exists is proof that no menu bars is a bad design. People shouldn't have to spend time searching online for menu items hidden in an unexpected place, or keyboard shortcuts which can only be found on a websearch, often only to find that basic, common functionality such as "Print Preview" or "Save As" does not exist. Good old, time tested, menus, allow people to figure that out on their own in seconds. Menus that are not where people have come to expect them, and are hidden under a very unintuitive picture of a wrench that has no indication that there is a menu under it, is a big time waister. (What does copy, print, or new window have to do with a wrench?) Google Chrome is undoubtedly faster, but offset by all the time wasted searching online to figure out how to use it.
|caver_tim||1/4/11 12:48 AM|
the other browsers are doing the same thing, its just that Google has the balls to commit to the new user interface and not give you the option to wimp out.
Microsoft got rid of the menus in Office 2007, autocad 2010 the same...
The world seems to be moving toward innovative user interfaces.
Microsoft also got rid of the command line when they introduced Windows. At the time were loads of people saying things like "give me my command line, whats this GUI rubbish, its IMPOSSIBLE to get a directory listing of any files any more"...
|dafkmf||1/4/11 5:14 AM|
Microsoft is smart enough to make it an option in IE9. They don't want to send everyone to Apple over a user interface that most people want. But you know Bill Gates has enough money, maybe he is ready to turn over the computing majority to Steve Jobs. Who knows.Chrome has a fully functional menu bar on the Mac.......
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|tammyspencer63||9/4/11 1:40 PM|
I too may uninstall google chrome because I for 1 love my menu bar. Keeps everything organized for me. Sorry love google but not so sure about goggle chrome.
|jignesh1983||9/15/11 8:59 PM|
there is a hidden tool bar ....shortcuts are available in google chrome such as to open a dialog box for selecting a particular file,press (ctrl+o),for save a page press(ctrl+s) and so on...as regular shortcut keys which is used in microsoft products...and one fact,that is google chrome is very fast compare to any other browser....thanks.....jignesh k thanki....rajkot(india,gujarat)
|mcswell||1/15/12 3:49 PM|
I too am thinking I'll uninstall chrome, for the same reason: I want a menu bar, not a bunch of incomprehensible hieroglyphics, I mean icons. Afaict, there isn't a keyboard way to get at my bookmarks, for example--there's an icon of a folder with the label "Imported From Firefox", but neither alt-I nor alt-F gets me there. (Alt-F of course gets me the stuff under the wrench, which is acceptable, apart form the lack of a menu name.) So to get to my bookmarks, I apparently have to take my fingers off the keyboard and use the mouse. FAIL.
Also afaict, there's no menu item (even under the wrench) to *close* a tab, only to open one. Why?
Others have talked about a "page" icon, but I don't see that anywhere.
Finally, if this is about screen real estate, why do I have to put up with two lines worth of icons and URL box? The first line has most of the icons plus the URL box (which I guess is supposed to double as a search bar; bad design, IMO: what if I want to *search* for articles about google, instead of going to their website?). And the second line has a button to add a site to Netvouz (where I have an account for long-term bookmarking) and the aforementioned list of bookmarks imported from firefox. If I could shorten the URL box, maybe those two icons would go on to the previous line, so I'd only have one line of icons taking up room. But despite the fact that when I position the mouse cursor over the right-hand end of the URL box, I get a double-headed arrow, which normally means I can hold the left mouse button down and adjust the size. But no, in this case this only turns the double-headed arrow into an ordinary mouse cursor. Apparently it's impossible to adjust this box size.
So google, I have a hard time believing the lack of a menu bar has anything to do with screen real estate. I think it just has to do with Being Different.
|wár17 §||1/15/12 3:52 PM|
Page icon is from older versions of Chrome. Everything is under the Wrench icon.
|caver_tim||1/16/12 2:11 AM|
1) how to get your bookmarks using the keyboard.
As you have found, Alt+F still drops down the menu in Chrome, as does Alt+E (relic of the Edit Menu)
so Alt+F, B gets you to your bookmarks.
As does F6, F6 (ie F6 twice) - the first F6 highlights the URL/search bar, the second F6 then hightlights the bookmarks bar, where you can then use <left><right> <enter> to select a bookmark.
Press <ctrl>+<Shift>+B to display / hide the bookmarks bar
2) you can only resize the URL bar to a certain extent. to the right of the URL bar, and between it and the wrench / spanner menu, is the area where extensions can place an icon. If you have any extensions installed that want to display an icon then you can drag the URL bar to the right to hide those icons. If you have done that a double arrow ">>" appears to indicate that something has been hidden.
3) if you want to close a tab, right click it.
4) is there anything wrong with being "different"? it works for Apple! If everything was the same we'd all be using IE :-)
|Dirvana||2/2/12 8:15 PM|
I agree with the original poster. The File menu is incredibly convenient in Internet Explorer, and is one of the reasons why I prefer it over Chrome for general browsing.
|ceknight||2/11/12 11:42 AM|
About the story of google doing all sorts of research, I don't buy it at all.
Fact one, the idiot programmers at Microsoft have built this hiding business into windows 7 and its apps.
Control (I assume command on the Mac) plus O does work, but it has to wait and think about it a bit.
As O for open would not have taken up a lot of resources or the closed file folder that you hover over and it opens, aha that mus be where they hid the browse button.
Maybe Google is getting like Microsoft. Anybody check to see of the same people are on the board of directors of Microsoft and Google? Could be like those poor underdogs in the commercial for Bartels & James. Hardly anyone knew that Bartles & James was a Gallow wine company brand name.
I wonder if we can go back to an older version of Google that at least had some functionality.
Charlie in Springfield, MA
|npyx||3/4/12 11:45 AM|
bunch of people babbling about "how chrome is better off without menu bar", OR "how chrome definitely needs a menu bar". this is not the important thing. the important thing is flexibility. "I", or "you" should be able to make the decision on whether there should be a menu bar or not. The features should be there, in my opinion. But there must be an option to enable/disable it.
Google is a great provider. Not only commercially successful, but has a unique reputation among users. But I believe it is not right to make people do something in a certain way. Lots of stuff about chrome is really cool, being more customizable would make it better. I don't have a problem being inclined to use something as it is meant to be used, but I should be able to "exclude" this innovation if I don't like it. Google has a tendency to force users into a certain way (as we experienced in Google Images UI or other stuff). Just give people more options, and they might love you more.
|DixieHwy||5/8/12 8:58 AM|
I'm trying to migrate my dad, who is 72, to Chrome from Firefox. But he wants his menu bar, dagnabbit (<< grumpy old man speak). He doesn't want to learn a new way of doing things, even if that means the menu bar options are hidden under the wrench icon. The context-sensitive right-click is almost too much for him to grasp. It's frustrating for me to explain these things to him, but I also understand where he's coming from. I still use Word 2003 because I want my menus where they've been every time I've used the program since its inception.
|LeoPherson||8/13/12 9:46 PM|
Microsoft did not get rid of the command line. Select Start Menu, Run and type cmd to get to the command line. You may have to enable visibility of Run via Right-click, Start Menu, Properties, Customize.
I find some tasks faster with CMD, such as getting a directory listing to a file. Maybe there is a method in Window Explorer but I haven't discovered it.
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|LeoPherson||8/13/12 10:17 PM|
Shortcuts are shortcuts, not menus. At the least, with the flexibility of Chrome, I wish the development team would supply a plug-in for the many people that obviously wish to have a menu. If I could program to that level, I would write it but I cannot.
I use shortcuts often but still like to see menus so I can explore a program's abilities. The Wrench in Chrome suggested setup to me, not menu. Everyone is different and does things differently. I am not asking others to use the menu bar. One should be able to hide it if they wish. Then we can all have it our way. A Plug-in would help with bloating. Don't add it if you don't want it.
As for usability tests showing what users want, I would wager Google got it wrong. There are enough people here wanting a Menu Bar and I suspect many other silent users wish the same. I know enough people who are not 'into' computers for the applications. Dependable and consistent old world menus makes it easier for new users to move from one application to another while still being able to use the most common features.
Standards exist for a reason; why else would Google stick with CTRL-C, CTRL-V, etc.... Yes those are OS specific but can be over-ridden. Look, I understand progression but change for change sake helps no one. Put in menus and as people learn the new way of doing it they will move from menus.
|Em Balkovec||11/22/12 12:58 PM|
Where is Page? Where is Wrench icon? This browser is only for the person that created it. It's not user friendly at all.
|SASROS2006||11/28/12 2:32 PM|
And, how would one email the link to a page using Chrome??? I use Google Chrome on my home MAC Book Pro and at work using Windows.... The MAC version *Includes* all of these nice features (Menu Bar, Email Page Location, etc.). But, the MS Windows version does not!!!
Does anyone know how to email the link to a page (without the manual Select, Copy, open Email application, Compose a New Email, and Paste)?
|caver_tim||12/31/12 1:57 AM|
I assume you have found the menu button ? the one with all the menus under it?
Other than "it looks different" is there anything you can't do?
|Jim Yeary||1/13/13 6:05 AM|
There is no wrench icon on any of my pages. So where do you find it. Chrome crashes at least 10 times a day and I can't get it fixed. The help forms want to know version I'm running and there now way on my pages to find that info.
|caver_tim||1/13/13 11:00 AM|
the menu icon was replaced by a ≡ icon some months ago
|ania nowakowska||3/11/13 8:54 PM|
how do i print? how do i email a page? how do i save it? ive no idea where to go to perform any of these functions in chrome. its completely unclear. counter intuitive.
|caver_tim||3/12/13 5:03 PM|
to print - click menu > print
to save - click menu > save page as...
|darenhoff||4/6/13 4:07 AM|
"The menu bar has been hidden for several reasons. The features which are most commonly used are available using the current buttons and the home page. For example you can access all of your favourites using the bookmarks bar (Ctrl+B - although many of us would like this displayed by default). You can access recent and commonly visited bookmarks from the home page, where you can also search your history.
Although you may use the menu bar frequently, the majority of users do not and prefer to use other options such as the right click menu and keyboard shortcuts. The Google Chrome team have done a lot of usability testing to find out what works best for users. The menu bar takes up screen space and can be vast and confusing for many users, particularly new users.
If you use the menu bar particularly frequently you should consider using keyboard shortcuts instead which can speed up your use of the computer considerably. "
This is very unfortunate and I do not want to use crome.
|caver_tim||4/6/13 1:46 PM|
firefox is not left 100% to the user to control.
For a start you can't not call it "firefox"
its up to you, personally i stopped using firefox as to get to the proxy options i had to search through page after page of options.
|mokipono||6/1/13 6:07 PM|
Okay, let's suppose I am car shopping....I don't want a sports car. All I want is a functional car that gets me where I need to go.
Remember when goggle removed their submit site option? Because so many complained they brought it back. Hey goggle, we love you...do us right.
|ln_hawaii||7/4/13 3:24 PM|
|PatrickG5||8/11/13 2:02 PM|
So why not give the OPTION of always showing the menu bar? Some people (such as myself) are considerably faster with the pulldown menus along with their associated shortcuts. Sure, the commonly used ones are quickly accessed by a shortcut like Ctrl+C. But what about the ones that you don't use quite as often and don't remember the exact shortcut? To anyone who says it's all accessible right there in the wrench icon, I say WHERE ARE THE KEYBOARD SHORTCUTS to those items? It simply takes longer to drag a mouse through the numerous menus than it does to press Alt followed by another keypress or two.
Microsoft has taken the same approach with the ribbon on Office programs and it's for that reason that I won't upgrade. I am still using the 2003 version. Just like I'm going back to Mozilla after finding out I can't have my menu bar in chrome.
|caver_tim||8/11/13 2:16 PM|
have you tried using <alt>+F ???? it still works
Print > Alt+F P
just out of interest, how often do you actually need the menu?
in Office, you're typing then inserting tables, changing the font, bold, copy paste etc
In Chrome, you're viewing a web page are you not? any interaction is done off menus in the web page ?
|caver_tim||8/11/13 2:19 PM|
I normally answer the question of "why can't this be added as an option" with the following.
Chrome was designed to "A web browser built for speed, simplicity, and security" As such it has limited options.
Each time you add an option you add
There are many many things that people have said "can you not just add this option, its only a few lines of code". eg
Should all of these be added? Should only some be added and if so who decides which ones to add? the same people who have already made the decision not to add them ?
|PatrickG5||8/12/13 5:19 AM|
Doesn't really matter how OFTEN... when I need those menus in Office, the difference is MINUTES of hunting around for something that used to take me seconds to do (for instance, the Change Case feature) It's not the features like Copy & Paste that are used multiple times a day... those are extremely easy to use the shortcuts because you remember them as quickly as spelling your own name.
A menu bar doesn't take up even one pixel of space if there's an option to turn it off for people who don't use it. Even Microsoft gives you the option (surprisingly) with Internet Explorer.
|caver_tim||8/12/13 5:31 AM|
i'm not aware of any browser having a "change case" function
|Jim Yeary||8/12/13 5:52 AM|
This is exactly why I quite using Chrome. If you add the number of times a day my connection to Google Chrome would crash and the lost time it was very easy to find another browser. I do use Google to search; and I use several of their other features; just not Chrome. I'm with you; time is time and I don't want to be searching for what I need when it should be on the damn toolbar. -- Jim Yeary
|PatrickG5||8/12/13 7:25 AM|
Tim, I was just using an example from Microsoft Word.
No worries man, I'm just going to use Mozilla. Thanks for the input though.