|Conspiracy.Co/LVL39.com running adsense for 3 years, but when I applied in my name I'm told my application has not been accepted because of "Unacceptable Site Content" can someone tell me what specifically this was, what changed in last 3 yrs?||conspiracy_co||5/8/12 3:46 PM|
Conspiracy.Co/LVL39.com has been running adsense for 3 years, but when I applied in my name I'm told my application has not been accepted because of "Unacceptable Site Content" can someone at Google tell me what specifically was unacceptable, so that I can put it right, or better what changed in my application this week, that was different than the last 3 yrs of LVL39.com/Conspiracy.CO adverts that have ran continuously with adsense (until I changed over the code this week, and now I'm told the ads won't be running... is this a mistake? Or has something changed? I'm very confused, and this is just the title :( )
I run a small activist website called conspiracy.co that is a free and open alternative conspiracy and free energy forum, it allows users to post snippets of articles, world news, and government conspiracies of current interest. It is not an entertainment forum but is a 100% Free & Open information dissemination forum covering subjects from Nikola Tesla's Magneto Dielectric's and the story of the suppresion of the Tesla Magnifying Transmitter to Wilhelm Reich's Orgone Energy, and covers subjects from Particle Physics to Shamanism. We are well known on the internet internationally to solving some enigma's such as Edward Leedskalnins Coral Castle, and have many educational forward thinking articles about future science, and philosophy. We have a reputation and I was alarmed to find out that our application for adsense had been turned down because of "Unacceptable Site Content" (CONSPIRACY.CO), especially given that a lot of the content we have on conspiracy.co , particularly about these subjects cannot be found elsewhere on the internet. I feel the content and style of conspiracy.co has been the same for the last 3 years, and I really am distressed at why we can no longer run these ads until this is resolved, and, as a result I have some important questions:
1. Can anyone at Google be more specific to what is unacceptable about our content so that it can immediately be corrected.
2. Is anyone at Google aware that adsense has run on lvl39.com and conspiracy.co without incident for 3 years until I recently applied for an adsense account under my name? (My friend is no longer involved in the website and has sold it to me).
3. Please could you clearly explain what has changed about the site content that has been acceptable for the last 3 years under my friends name, but has been found as not acceptable content under my named application today??
4. Can a Google representative Please Please explain to me what is/was unacceptable about conspiracy.co site content now under my newly registered adsense account (May 2012), which was previously acceptable for the last 3 years under my friends adsense (May 2009 - May 2012) DOMAIN TLD's LVL39.COM & CONSPIRACY.CO respectively.
Obviously I'm quite aware having been involved in the project that our content is the same today as it has been the last 3 years, as far as I can tell the only thing that has actually changed about the website is the ownership, so I applied for adsense in my name, so the whole "Unnacceptable Site Content" and turning down my application doesn't quite make sense, and obviously it is of great distress and concern to me that ads have run for 3 years under my friends adsense account, until I applied, and am subsequently turned down, obviously I feel a lot worse since "Unacceptable Site content" is so general and broad that it is preventing me from understanding what has changed over the last 3 years for google to decide not to allow adsense on this TLD/Domain, and it is preventing me from correcting it, since I do not know what is unaceptable about the site content to fix it, or, what is different about it than has been for the last 36 months with google adsense!.
Please, please could someone get back to me with some answer to what conspiracy.co has done with it's content that is unnaceptable? What I can do to fix it, and really specifically what isn't acceptable with the content now that was acceptable for the last 3 years under my friends adsense account? It's really quite upsetting!
I hope I have made myself absolutely clear, and I hope we can remedy this situation/error/possible misunderstanding as soon as possible, so that we can continue to run Google Adsense like the site has for the last many years!! I think there must have been a mistake somewhere given the above points, and would like to bring this to the attention of Google, as well as remedy whatever has caused the site to suddenly no longer be eligible for the ads that it has the last 3 years, under my name instead! I do not believe that Google intends to set a double standard or provide me with an unclear explanation as to what the problem is, and what I can do about it, however given that we've had no problem the last 3 years, I am sure it can be understandable my bemusement.
thank you so much for your time, I very very much appreciate it,
|Re: Conspiracy.Co/LVL39.com running adsense for 3 years, but when I applied in my name I'm told my application has not been accepted because of "Unacceptable Site Content" can someone tell me what specifically this was, what changed in last 3 yrs?||gddsmith||5/8/12 6:16 PM|
This is a user to user forum & highly unlikely anyone from Google will ever have a conversation with you about the issues & from what I see there are many. Therefore it appears that the the site may never been in compliance with all of the Adsense program policies & therefore the error IMO was in them to continue to show ads on the site for the last three years & not an error in not approving the new account.
For starters Adsense does not allow ads on pages that contain violent content, blank pages with no content, chat sites, & the site must be family friendly. That's for starters & personally I don't see where the site will now get past the initial bot review without destroying the site.
|Re: Conspiracy.Co/LVL39.com running adsense for 3 years, but when I applied in my name I'm told my application has not been accepted because of "Unacceptable Site Content" can someone tell me what specifically this was, what changed in last 3 yrs?||PeggyK||5/8/12 6:17 PM|
Have you re-read the AdSense Program content policies?
Since your site is a forum with user generated content, you need to be sure that none of your users are posting content (including links) that violates those policies.
It looks like a lot of your forum posts are copy-pasted articles from other sites. AdSense requires content to be original and not copyright-infringing.
(Also be aware you are not allowed to draw undue attention to your ads, so your sticky post about the ads on your forum is probably not a good idea)
|Re: Conspiracy.Co/LVL39.com running adsense for 3 years, but when I applied in my name I'm told my application has not been accepted because of "Unacceptable Site Content" can someone tell me what specifically this was, what changed in last 3 yrs?||conspiracy_co||5/9/12 3:11 AM|
I am an IT consultant with about 15 years experience. I've worked for the British Forces, Ministry of Defence and SEGA... I've ran a multitude of sites, never had any problems.
I'm fully aware of google adsense policy, and it has frankly never been a problem. Given that our article sections contains unique content that can't be found anywhere else in the world. The articles from other news site we post MOST CERTAINLY are not copyright infringing, fair use, etc.
Basically my account has been disapproved for a non-reason, since a conspiracy site commonly posts news articles in the way this is, we have always done this for the last 3 years, and it is certainly not copyright infringing. There are countless other adsense sites that run the same content and stories we do, no problems. Except, that our content is more original!! Seriously, go check. HTTP://Conspiracy.co , the problem is I'm not able to contact anyone at Google for a proper explanation. So, I really need a response from someone who knows whats up (google staff or not!!), so I can put this right , urgently, since not running adsense ads threatens the existence of our small community.
I have repeatedly found the conspiracy.co site NOT to be in violation of any Google Policy, nor have I found a valid or justifiable reason why the content users post might be "Unacceptable".. It is a FREE & Open Conspiracy Forum, and has tons of original articles and content. It's really disappointing and a little bemusing that when the same site that was approved 3 years ago, with the same type of content, is now getting disapproved, without a proper explanation, that is really hindering my ability to fix this problem.
Whilst I totally appreciate what you have both said, I've all along been very careful not to infringe on other's copyright, and, I'm not sure it's fair to say that our site is not violation of copyright infringement, nor do I think it's unfair for me to update my 600+ members as to the status of our ADVERTISEMENTS, since, they were fund this website, and without google adsense support it is likely the website will fall into disarray.
So, you see, I think it is quite important to ascertain if this is a mistake, and if it is not a mistake, what specifically is wrong with our site content. To run a conspiracy forum, and alternative news forum, like many of the other adsense supported conspiracy websites, they reprints in PART, some other news stories, this is not copyright infringement. Whilst I really appreciate your comments, I of course disagree with such a statement under 17 U.S.C. § 107
I wish there was someone in Google that I could contact and talk about this over the phone because it is ridiculous that we are being singled out after so many years, and that our site is left possibly unable to pay it's server bills, and obviously would do Conspiracy.CO a great deal of damage. So before this 3 year long venture is drawn to a halt, I would just like to check that Conspiracy.CO has infringed/violated Google Terms, and would like to specfically know where, so that I can put it right, before the site is lost for all time.
|Gracey||5/9/12 6:08 AM|
The articles from other news site we post MOST CERTAINLY are not copyright infringing, fair use, etc.
Fair use doesn't apply in adsense. Duplicating content found elsewhere does. While your use may comply with Copyright laws, it doesn't mean it's going to apply with Adsense requirements.
That doesn't make it okay for Adsense. Things have changed in the last couple of years with Adsense and they are no longer accepting sites into the program with duplicate and copy contents. What might have been okay in the past, isn't necessarily going to be okay now.
Fact: We don’t allow sites with auto-generated or otherwise unoriginal content to participate in the AdSense program. This is to ensure that our users are benefiting from a unique online experience and that our advertisers are partnering with useful and relevant sites.
Bringing up other sites that may violate Adsense policy isn't going to help your case - not with Adsense. Sites violating policy will eventually run into the same issues, as soon as Adsense finds them out. As you can see, that may not happen quickly. It took you requesting a new account for them to re-review your website.
You already had a response from two people who - as far as I can tell, have given you appropriate answers.
And sites displaying Adsense shouldn't have chatrooms. Adsense has been out and about removing ads from sites that do. We've numbers of them in the forum during the last few months, and it's continuing.
There isn't any direct support for Adsense publishers, such as a telephone number of direct email address. But you aren't being "singled out". Adsense has tightened the entry requirements for sites applying for Adsense. You are applying for Adsense with a site that doesn't meet the current requirements any longer. The same would be happening with any person applying whose site doesn't meet their requirements.
And, besides all of the information you've already been given by Peggy and gddsmith, Adsense isn't required to give anyone an Adsense account. They can reject an application for no reason at all, which makes it difficult to "fix".
Yes, that isn't uncommon in this forum. At least you aren't swearing at us.
|conspiracy_co||5/9/12 6:34 AM|
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. Conspiracy.co has been running adsense for 3 years, without issue. All that changed was the account holder , and now all of a sudden our site is no longer welcome on the network.
Commonplace? Fair? Google Terms? It seems wrong to me, maybe I wasn't clear to start.
Yes, I realise fair use doesn't apply to adsense, but original content does, as I have said conspiracy.co has a multitude of original content, literally thousands of articles written by myself and other contributors about conspiracy and free energy. Whilst we do repost news content, like other adsense sponsored conspiracy sites, I do feel that we have plenty of unique content, like many other adsense sponsored conspiracy sites.
I personally wasn't aware of any changes in Adsense policy, and I really cannot comment about that. However I think the summisations you make about our content being entirely unoriginal, (absolutely not true whatsoever), or their being an automated generated bot on the site, is absolutely without substance, I am the administrator for the site, and I see all of the posts that come in and out.
I can provide any evidence as required that an automated system most CERTAINLY is not in use on our site. So to summarise we have plenty of original content on our site, and it is really untrue to say that our content is unoriginal.
Given that Google has not been specific enough to say what it was specifically that was "unnaceptable site content" I find myself, quite obviously unable to rememdy the issue.
As I have said, there is no crime in reposting some news on our forum by our users, and I see absolutely no reason why my site should be delisted because some of the forum posts had external stories that existed elsewhere. This does not degrade my users experience, or degrade the reputation of google, or the adverts.
As far as yet, I see no valid reason to discontinue my site's use of Ad's.
1) Our content is original thousands of original articles, countless hundreds written personally by myself, over 3 years no less.
2) Some of our content in the forum where our users post has news articles which appear elsewhere on the internet. This is no cause that I can see to remove us from adsense, given 1, and all sites that participate in adsense , particularly news sites will repost this. The main difference for conspiracy.co being that users post the news snippets from other sites.
3) Currently we are non profit, and the existance of our site has always depended on the adsense we've had the last 3 years.
4) Again as previously established we've not broken any terms and conditions of the adsense policy that I can see, other than that occasionally our news driven site's users do repost content relevant to the subject of conspiracy. It seems that this is being used to justify a poor quality content or unoriginal content on our site, when this is the fundamental principle of a news organisation, under free press.
Obviously this is akin to banning Google from operating, because of them putting snippets of unoriginal content, that they do not own from other sites on news.google.com. Ridiculous!
I cannot obviously see this as a very just cause.
Of course I'm frustrated and upset, I feel like I've been told "Unacceptable Site content", without a proper explanation, and I feel like you have basically implied our user generated news posts some how negated the 100's of thousands of words of original, hard worked, unique written articles and forum posts by users such as myself and our community members.
It honestly is a failure on Googles behalf, as you have all pointed out , so how about rather than pointing out that I'm not swearing at you, and that I've received appropriate answers, which do not solve the issue, and instead offer some guidance as to what I can do? I don't feel my questions have been understood, or addressed. I understand that you are a user driven group, but don't you see what I'm saying already? What you have basically repeated is that my site will no longer be eligible to adsense because a)It is a user driven news site , which means reposted 'unoriginal articles from time to time' and b) which somehow should negate all of the quality and hard work of 3 years, of all of the articles about the conspiracy of RCA, Wilhelm Reich, Eric Dollard, Chris Carson, The Parametric Transformer, The Tesla MAgnifying Transmitter etc, are all unoriginal content?
This is madness. If you'd bothered to look, other than the obvious news reposts, there is an absolute plethora of information that you would not find anywhere else on the internet.
I know this because I've poured literally 6 years or my life into this work, and feel, whilst this is unjust, explaining myself adequately, and making it clear, if someone can tell me specifically what is "Unacceptable" about my site content I can fix it immediately. What it seems though is that I'm being told I will have to stop my users from reposting news related to conspiracy, just so we can fund the free energy and suppressed science and totally original articles we already host.
However we are running an entirely FREE and Open Free Speech forum for anyone who wants to discuss conspiracy, like the many other sites using adsense, and I can't possibly be expected to suppress my users from posting what you consider unoriginal content. It's a News site, that's what news sites do.
So what your telling me , because I run a conspiracy news site, and regardless of our partially international acclaim for hosting an absolute plethora of conspiracy articles on free energy from Nikola Tesla to Edward Leedskalnin, that our user generated content somehow marrs Adsense T&C?
Of all the ridiculous things that I have honestly ever heard.
If that's the problem, I've been given the choice to enforce moderation against my users, in what is supposed to be a free speech forum, fair use forum, so that I can prevent the site from being closed down?
I'm sorry, I really am. I just don't think you quite get that this probably is against free press, political targeting, anti unfair T&C laws internationally.
Meh, maybe I'm wrong, afterall I'm only an IT professional with datacentre experience, having run my own telecom for several years, I probably don't know what I'm talking about at all. Or, I could be right. As bemused, and puzzled, and upset as I should genuinely seem to be,
Please, feel free to correct me, and, although not what I was looking for, I did really appreciate your response, it makes things seem a lot clearer, even if I am unhappy with it,
Hopefully Google or another user will be able to explain what actions I'm required to take to regain my site among adsense, before we run out of money and are no more. (makes sense what I'm trying to do here, right?) , right??
|Gracey||5/9/12 7:13 AM|
I don't recall stating that your contents were "entirely unoriginal". The focus problem for Adsense would be the unoriginal content - if there is a sufficient amount of it, then Adsense would consider it unsuitable. Where did I say all of your content wasn't original?
I also gave you a link directly to Adsense's view of using content that isn't original - that's their official statement, not mine. I'm not going to argue with you over a policy that Adsense has made clear - you must not use contents found elsewhere.
If you are going to refer to a news article, you may only use a sentence or two - an excerpt, and then link directly to the news article, and wherever that occurs, it must only be part of your own (or a user's) written original work.
As a single example, please point out where on this post the original content is, because I see none?
Not having Adsense shouldn't "destroy" a site, particularly since a site should never be successful based on Adsense. Nobody should ever rely on Adsense alone to support their site. That's a very bad business model for most publishers to follow. If your site can't be supported on it's own without advertising then you should diversify. There are lots of other ad platforms out there and most successful publishers use more than one type of ad company.
I did look. Even if you have original and unique content, you have much that isn't. You also have other policy violations so even removing the issue of the content, there are things that are now and have been violating content in the past. They are going to take that into consideration.
While your questions and explanations are clear enough, you don't seem to understand what isn't acceptable after it's been stated to you. Even if you do fix it "immediately", there is no guarantee that Adsense is going to accept your site or application.
- remove violent content
- remove duplicate content
- ensure ads only appear on pages with sufficient content
- remove the chatroom
It has nothing to do with your site being a conspiracy news site. It has to do with Adsense policy. Look, this isn't personal on Adsense's side - they send crawlers to check the contents for originality and for policy compliance. Going through the forum section of your site, they're finding a whole lot of unoriginal and copied contents. Period. They don't care if it's a conspiracy site, or a mom's and babies site. If they find too much contents taken from other sources it will get rejected.
At this point, it isn't a matter of what you think, but of what Adsense thinks. It seriously has nothing to do with "free press" and where you ever came up with that "conspiracy" is beyond me. It's entirely based on compliance with quality guidelines and policy compliance. Nothing more, and certainly nothing political. The Adsense bots are just bits of coding, they've got no mind and no brain, and certainly no feelings so their rejection of your site is based entirely on their programming to look for certain things, and to look for a lack of other things.
Free speech is one thing - but that tends to mean that users write their own feelings and thoughts. Not copy them from elsewhere. That isn't free speech.
You've been given explanations from three people that Adsense themselves have deemed as knowledgeable volunteers - the TC status means we've been selected by them to assist users based on our experience and knowledge of Adsense, and based on our own website's compliance with all policies. There are more of us here with that designation, but every one of them is most likely going to give you the exact same information you've already been given.
We've given you all the information we can based on the current requirements and there isn't much more we can do. IT experience doesn't mean much with Adsense. Not sure why you keep bringing that up. I have no IT experience, but manage to make my sites comply with policy. Understanding the spirit of the Adsense requirements doesn't require any IT experience.
|conspiracy_co||5/9/12 12:45 PM|
Thank you kindly for your feedback and opinion on this matter. I do distinctly understand what you've said, and as I previously mentioned I didn't agree with it all.
It seems however, Google felt that our website otherwise was not breaking their T&C anymore, and our ads have now re-appeared, what I believe to have been rightly re-instated! Thank you very sincerely google adsense.
Thank you google. This is a Victory for free speech, and press, and after all I do believe we are a rather friendly, honesty, grass roots community site with the best of intentions!
Appreciate the support,
|ahayyy||5/10/12 1:14 AM|