| Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | bluewizard | 8/18/12 2:19 PM | No one has yet to explain to me how so many people can play COMPLETE Songs on YouTube, and those are allowed to stand. Apparently YouTube has some way of monetizing these videos. Just under the video will be the Song Title and Artist with a link to |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | bluewizard | 8/18/12 2:29 PM | Keep in mind, my goal is not for ME to make money, but to simply be able to post Copyrighted content in a way which is Clearly ALLOWED by YouTube. I'm trying to do things right here. |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | PeggyK | 8/18/12 2:49 PM | In some cases the copyright holder for the music might choose to monetize the video. The copyright holder can also choose to have your video muted, or taken down, or do nothing. There is no way to know for sure which will happen. YouTube's policy is |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | bluewizard | 8/18/12 11:57 PM | Sorry, not buying that. I see countless videos that play full song, and I mean Countless. Nearly all have a link just below the video to Amazon, iTunes, and MP3.com. These videos have been allowed in exchange for this link to sites selling the music, |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | Videodave2 | 8/19/12 12:40 AM | On Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:57:39 AM UTC-4, bluewizard wrote:Sorry, not buying that. |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | bluewizard | 8/19/12 2:52 AM | Well, I wasn't buying it because there clearly is a mechanism on YouTube to make this happen, because I see it happening. I see it in countless video, I've compiled another dozen, in the last few hours of normal YouTube watching. So, is there any wa |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | JDoors | 8/19/12 5:13 AM | The mechanism is as explained: Copyright holders who find their content used without their authorization choose to do that. That's the mechanism. THEY choose. THEY have had their rights infringed and THEY get to choose how to deal with it. The people |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | Videodave2 | 8/19/12 6:03 AM | No there is no master list. But, some people have looked to see what specific songs by particular artists have been given a link and then decided to use the exact same song. Although that method is not really safe, it is way safer than just blindly g |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | bluewizard | 8/19/12 1:25 PM | Thanks to all who replied. Despite not getting the answer I hoped for, I am still getting answers, and I do again thank you for taking the time to help me out. But, as long as we are on the subject, let me diverge a bit and repeat something I said i |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | JDoors | 8/19/12 2:02 PM | I don't agree with your interpretation of the purpose of fair use, but I agree with most everything else. Copyright law makes it difficult to use copyrighte content without prior authorization. But ... that's the entire point of it. I like your 'moon |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | bluewizard | 8/19/12 2:12 PM | Not wanting to seems contrary, but could you expand on the statement that you don't agree with my interpretation of the Purpose of Fair Use. The purpose is so ordinary people can use content within clear and restrictive boundaries without permission |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | JDoors | 8/19/12 3:10 PM | Fair use is not for people who just want to use copyrighted work without getting permission. That's what it's come to mean on YouTube, which is wrong, which is in violation of the law, which is why everyone gets their panties in a bunch over the whol |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | Videodave2 | 8/19/12 3:17 PM | I have told this one before: Many years back, I did some volunteer work for a cable access station with a good budget and fairly quality programs were produced. The station repeatedly told producers their policy on fair use "there is no such thing". |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | bluewizard | 8/20/12 2:37 AM | Thanks to both of you for taking the time to reply, it really is been helpful. But, when I read the explanations and excerpts from the law for Fair Use, getting permission is never mentioned. Non-substantial. Not a Substitute. Used for some secondar |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | bluewizard | 8/20/12 2:41 AM | Sorry, there doesn't seem to be way to edit a post. Naturally, my post above should say - "Can NOT deprive the Copyright holder. Can NOT be for personal gain or profit." My brain thinks one thing and my fingers do another. It still gets down to h |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | JDoors | 8/20/12 5:11 AM | You're right, the entire point of fair use is that you don't need permission. But the entire point of discussing fair use and YouTube is that 99.99% of claims of fair use are 100% wrong. Using a song because it makes your video better isn't fair use. |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | gbcali | 8/20/12 7:35 AM | There is nothing in the legal definition of "fair use" that refers to "fair use" existing because it's difficult for the average person to get permission from a copyright holder. |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | bluewizard | 8/20/12 11:44 AM | I think on this we agree. Most people are NOT in compliance with Fair Use. But some are trying to stay within that boundary. But it is a pretty gray boundary line, and it is hard to know which side you are on. Also, simply claiming Fair Use, or putt |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | bluewizard | 8/20/12 11:49 AM | gbcali, What you say is right, but the content industry has built near insurmountable road blocks to getting permission. "Getting permission" is only realistic if permission can be gotten. I suspect the way to get permission is to have your lawyer |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | bluewizard | 8/20/12 12:05 PM | I think part of the problem is that the Law and the Media Industry never envisioned a world in which countless millions, if not a billion, people would have need to use Copyright content. In short, I don't think they ever envisioned YouTube. To some |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | JDoors | 8/20/12 12:22 PM | Again, you're correct. There is a "grey area," and that is why fair use is decided, when contested, in a court of law (and certainly not by consumers/uploaders, or by YouTube). I also agree that the Internent has created an unforeseen world of copyri |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | gbcali | 8/20/12 12:22 PM | @bluewizard– Are you asking about "fair use" because you've made a video using copyrighted content and are trying to figure out if it qualifies for "fair use" before uploading to YouTube? Or are you taking a school course and trying to get info for |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | bluewizard | 8/20/12 6:21 PM | Trust me, I was done with school ages ago. I think I am in compliance with fair use. But I will remake a point I made earlier (or at least I think I did). If what I believe is 'Fair Use' is challenged, I am powerless to defend myself. Now if I had a |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | bluewizard | 8/20/12 6:37 PM | I will add that the existance of the Fair Use Law, implies that we should be able to use content under Fair Use. But what good does the existance of that Law do, if circumstances make it impossible for anyone to assert a Fair Use Claim? This Law mus |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | anmoose | 8/20/12 6:41 PM | In the case of "fair use," the law is put into practice every day, and there are countless legal records of court cases on file proving it. That you or I or another average Joe Blow doesn't have the bucks available to pursue it doesn't mean it isn't |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | bluewizard | 8/20/12 6:50 PM | The thing is, I have a Legal RIGHT to use content in compliance with FAIR USE. What good is a RIGHT if you let it die. Who needs a free press? Let that Right die and let the corporations and government take it over. Who needs the RIGHT to be free |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | anmoose | 8/20/12 6:52 PM | BTW, "Fair use" is not "a Law." There is no such thing as "the Fair Use Law." It is a small provision of a much larger, much more encompassing Copyright Law - a provision that allows for certain limited exceptions to that law under certain limited co |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | bluewizard | 8/20/12 6:58 PM | And society would exist perfectly fine without the protections from unwarranted search and seizure. But is that a society that you would want to live in? What I called "Fair Use Law" is encoded into Law. But, as you said, it is not a stand alone la |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | anmoose | 8/20/12 7:09 PM | **rolls eyes** Density =/> Granite |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | Videodave2 | 8/21/12 5:28 AM | On Monday, August 20, 2012 9:37:33 PM UTC-4, bluewizard wrote: Society NEEDS people to engage in FAIR USE. But what good is it, if the people who need it can't assert it? As others have mentioned, the principle is used every day. A case in point is |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | bluewizard | 8/21/12 12:50 PM | Again, thanks to all who replied. Yes, people do engage in Fair Use everyday. And I have already concede that most on YouTube who are claiming Fair Use are indeed not in compliance. As to the examples you gave, yes, those are valid Fair Use cases, |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | bluewizard | 8/21/12 12:57 PM | I'm curious why you would make this comment? You seem to imply that I don't get it. That I am not capable of understanding what people are telling me. I do understand. I do get it. But, I also think I am making a fair counter point. The solution is |
| Re: Fair Use Music and Amazon/iTunes links to Music | bluewizard | 8/21/12 1:06 PM | I do want to add that my original question was answered. And for that, I am appreciative. |