| We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/02 11:16 | I have read the FAQs and checked for similar issues: YES My site's URL (web address) is: http://www.daniweb.com Description (including timeline of any changes made): We are an online discussion forum for people in the IT industry with about 1.5MM posts. A |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Lysis | 11/03/02 11:22 | Hi Dani. I always hit "back" on your site because of the annoying popup you have when I hit your site. Get rid of that. I purposely don't click your links in Google because of it. Maybe you've changed it since then, but that's my #1 reason for not re |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/02 12:34 | Hi Lysis, We had already gotten rid of it :) Thanks for the feedback! |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | SouledOUT116 | 11/03/02 13:49 | Hi Dani of DaniWeb, I have been trying to find out what the truth of the matter is. I have yet to see anything that would make sense except the fact that tag pages may dilute a website. See: http://dcreators.com/how-not-to-get-affected-by-farmer-update/ R |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | seo101 | 11/03/02 16:36 | <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="65" SemiHidden="false" UnhideWhenUsed="false" Name="Medium List 1 Accent... |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/02 18:16 | We are not an e-commerce site and don't have any collection of pages that are nearly identical with the exception of various snips being pulled from a database somewhere. We are a discussion and editorial site where every page is unique content, eith |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | StevieD_Web | 11/03/02 18:33 | Every webmaster claims their site is innocent. The facts often lie somewhere else. Here are some questions to ask yourself as you analyze your own website.... Would you have a website if ads were prohibited? Would this content exist if th |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | rpray2007 | 11/03/02 18:34 | We too have suffered from this change and while I support Google's pursuit of removing web spam, there is absolutely no reason to bring out the canon when a little mouse trap is enough. Sites like ours http://askmehelpdesk.com and http://daniweb.com are based on |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/02 19:14 | I started the website as a Computer Science student in college. I started it because I was in need of a programming community where students could learn from each other, and didn't like anything that existed at the time. Therefore, I decided to creat |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/02 19:24 | Why does it say this thread has been 'Answered'?! I am in desperate need of a resolution. Nothing has been solved. I need help still. seo101, our traffic has always steadily increased over time. There was never a drop due to any other algorithm upda |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | TravBuddy | 11/03/02 20:44 | Hi Dani - I run a large UGC site in the travel industry that was also negatively affected by this update (http://www.travbuddy.com). We also have millions of pages of unique, user generated content - 60,000 travel reviews, 150,000 travel blogs, 3.5 million |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | seo101 | 11/03/02 21:58 | how about: "I do not think that there is anything anyone can do about their sites ranking being affected by this update. EXCEPT, all you can do is continue to follow best practice SEO and keep working on the site." |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | StevieD_Web | 11/03/02 21:59 | 1) Then, I learned that I could use AdSense to break even on web hosting costs Bingo. There be a problem. AdSense and other ads is the only source of revenue. You said it. Google can't find another source of revenue. You got lots of pages wi |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Lysis | 11/03/02 22:13 | For the record, I've found your user forum helpful, Dani. I really did, and then I got the popup. That popup was there for a while, and I know that I felt shafted when I saw half the answer in the Google snippet and then got the annoying freakin popu |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | loki1234 | 11/03/02 23:00 | Checked that list, looks like sites with user generated content seem to be hit with their new implementation. Looks like google has decided to support webmaster content as opposed to user generated content. have your posted it on their new sticky p |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | seo101 | 11/03/02 23:14 | Nope. I have two forums that have had a huge spike in traffic from Google since late last week. Have a couple of other older well extablished sites with no user generated content that lost >50% of traffic. BTW, I also a user of Daniweb and it is hel |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/03 6:47 | Stevie_D, Thank you for your elaborate response. Firstly, I have to say that I disagree with you that Google devalues any site that does not have a "buy it now" call to action. Google understands there are eCommerce sites, and then there are conten |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Puntsy | 11/03/03 10:29 | I'm not an avid user of DaniWeb, but I have had questions answered before and would like to respond to a few comments made in this thread. First of all, it seems as though some users here are making the mistake of equating UGC with low-value content |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/03 11:09 | I can understand the merit in removing old product pages from eCommerce sites. As someone who was recently in the market for a new living room furniture set, it would have been frustrating to me to Google for a particular style of coffee table, and f |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/03 11:17 | Puntsy, thank you for being my advocate. I was posting my reply at the same times as you were posting yours, and I think that we made a lot of the same points. We are doing our very best to follow all SEO rules. We don't do anything blackhat. Howeve |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/03 14:12 | StevieD, |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | WASDted | 11/03/03 14:23 | Folks, I am not SEO expert at all but here's the bottom line in my view. Google has been growing at an insane rate and they are basically THE monopoly of search and advertising on the web. What they must realize is that their success depends every bi |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | seo101 | 11/03/03 16:22 | They built a business model based on a free traffic from a free listing and a free ranking in a free search engine. Who in their right mind would think that this is sustainable long term? This update (as like all the previous major ones over the year |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Puntsy | 11/03/03 16:40 | I'm beginning to wonder if the "building your business based on free traffic" thing is entirely fair. Obviously, it's good to have a combination of online and offline marketing. But the economic ecosystem has changed. People do business online all th |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | seo101 | 11/03/03 17:03 | I get the bulk of my NEW visitors from Google, but my business model is NOT dependant on them. You need to put strategies in place (facebook, email newsletters, reasons for visitors to return, RSS feeds, etc etc) so if/when this sort of thing happens |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Lysis | 11/03/03 17:17 | When this stuff happens, it's time to go back to basics...old fashioned advertising with a tech twist. Adwords, ads on other sites, social networking, emails to current customers. Some kind of promotion. It's ridiculous to sit on your hands saying "I |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/03 20:19 | That being said, we use AdWords VERY heavily. I am also very active on Twitter and we get a lot of traffic that way. We also have a Facebook fan page and a Meetup group that meets in our office the second Wednesday of each month. Based right out of |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Lysis | 11/03/03 20:30 | Dani, I'm just thinking aloud here, making a fool of myself, because I'm the noob of the TC group. ;) It's late, and I'm tired and drinking wine, so this is just from some quick thoughts. First, just want to say that I always found your site useful.. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | seo101 | 11/03/03 21:56 | The only small businesses that google is damaging are those that have been getting a free ride |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | StevieD_Web | 11/03/03 22:00 | Everything is about the ads. What would you do if your site sold..... oh I don't know.... Popsicles. Frozen Popsicles. Packed them in dry ice and shipped them across the country. Then one day DOT (department of transportation) says that anybody |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Lysis | 11/03/03 22:14 | Amen, StevieD. Come on people. There are so many ways to adjust. Resilience. Resilience is a part of being an online business. It isn't the end of the world. Love the popsicle analogy! |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | The Happy Geek | 11/03/04 2:33 | To quote WASDted, I am not a SEO expert either. However, a number of questions do remain about the impact of the farmer update that require answering and Google has been pretty silent so far. 1. If the aim of this update was to improve the quality o |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | The Happy Geek | 11/03/04 2:43 | One other thing, from reading various posts around the place which try to fathom out what is going on with this algo update, it seems that duplicate content is one of the triggers for being flagged as a content farm. The problem there is that the alg |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Becky Sharpe | 11/03/04 6:58 | I've undone the Best Answer as the OP considers the question still unresolved - hope that doesn't offend anyone. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Richard Hearne | 11/03/04 7:14 | I visited your site a few days ago, but I cant remember whether yours had those horrible contextual ads injected on keywords in the body area? Did you have any affiliate type content, like buy this now on eBay or Amazon? That was a common theme on m |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Farmer Effects | 11/03/04 7:25 | The Happy Geek, you are absolutely right. My site is a blog with a similar footprint as Cult of Mac. Monetized, popular in its niche, but heavily scraped -- I have run copyscape on my site and discovered literally TONS of thieves and scrapers feedi |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Richard Hearne | 11/03/04 7:41 | @Farmer Effects - I suggest you wait a little while to see what's coming. Google never leaves things that hurt their users, and I'm sure they are working on multiple areas here that will greatly help good sites affected by this and the scrapper issu |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/04 7:42 | HappyGeek, eHow wasn't hit b/c their content is so bad that no one syndicates/copies/duplicates it. :) I think that everybody has been getting the impression that all I have been doing is sitting on my ass and constantly whining in this thread. Fir |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/04 7:57 | Thank you. Appreciated. :) |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Richard Hearne | 11/03/04 8:26 | @Dani - here's the problem right now - you're still in denial. You need to remove yourself from this and ask yourself - if you were a visitor to your site what would you think? Would you want to see ads shoved in your face? I'll step away from this |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Puntsy | 11/03/04 9:19 | This thread is so incredibly upsetting and this is probably my last time posting here. I'm not sure how Dani is in denial. They've clearly been working on their site and making improvements. I don't think anyone in this thread is really sitting aroun |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | WASDted | 11/03/04 10:33 | seo101 - "If you are unhappy with the service that Google is providing you, then ask them for a refund." My friend, your attitude is funny, almost smelly. No one is asking for a refund, it isn't about that. You (Google) need to realize that Google i |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | WASDted | 11/03/04 10:39 | And another thing. It is no secret that Google wants to be in control of all of the world's information. They want to have access to everyone's everything. Medical records, financials, personal and professional data alike, your behavior, your likes, |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | StevieD_Web | 11/03/04 12:07 | Lets see what we got here.... Cranking out content for the sake of content. Ads, ads, ads. The very definition of a Content Farm.. How about spending some time sanitizing your website of ads. Start with very old content. If the content/disc |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Lysis | 11/03/04 12:25 | Actually, no, Google is successful because they bring readers what they want. Websites were created before Google came around. It has nothing to do with the webmaster. Webmasters jump when Google changes, because they want the free ride. They want to |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | WASDted | 11/03/04 13:03 | That is only partially true Lysis. Google as only a search engine that is free to use and directs readers to the content they want is not much of a business in itself. There is so much more to how Google works and connects to websites and it is a giv |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | mayagodi | 11/03/05 3:32 | I have never commented in these forums but I find myself upset at the uneducated and newbie remarks. so... I will. Dani, love the site. I am a developer and have used your site on many occasions. Too many people who do not have internet businesses be |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | StevieD_Web | 11/03/05 8:20 | Don't want to destroy old "valueable" content? Then don't. But you can sanitize the content of ads. Prove the content exists for the content, not the ads. The Wilshire Blvd issue is a great analogy and a complete non issue. You located your |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/05 9:59 | I'm sorry, Stevie and RedCardinal, but I have to disagree with you about the advertising on the website. I am not in denial. We are not advertising heavy. Sure, we have ads to support the business, but we do not have more ads than any other editorial |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Ryan Clark | 11/03/05 10:56 | Some people just don't understand what it costs to operate a quality site such as yours, your ads are nowhere near a problem. A pop-up wouldn't cause this problem either, what a joke response. Tons of quality sites got hit and Google has acknowledged |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | StevieD_Web | 11/03/05 11:18 | Here, let me fix that for you Some people just don't understand what it costs operate a quality business. Online, Catalog, B&M.... it doens't matter what the type, a quality business costs $. Of course a real business doesn't worry about thos |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Richard Hearne | 11/03/05 11:19 | Not silly, as I visited your site after this first happened, and then again when you posted here. I cant be sure what changes you may have made in that interval. What I'm trying to say is this: what you or I think doesn't matter. The reality is tha |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Lysis | 11/03/05 11:31 | Exactly. I never said the reason for his issue is the popup, but from a user point of view, it's intrusive and annoying. Hence, why I never went further than the first page on that site. As for Adsense, the huge block at the top of the content page |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | StevieD_Web | 11/03/05 11:36 | Really? How many ads do you have (ads per page, ads per word, pages without ads versus pages with ads) on the site versus the other sites? What is allowed? What will be allowed tomorrow? You realize if 1 ad per 1000 words is allowed, and you |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | shades1 | 11/03/05 12:02 | I highly, highly doubt the site is affected by the ad to content ratio. People don't think of daniweb as spam at all or a place to just throw ads |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Richard Hearne | 11/03/05 15:36 | http://searchengineland.com/your-sites-traffic-has-plummeted-since-googles-farmerpanda-update-now-what-66769 There's some of the best advice on this change I've seen to date in this post from Vanessa Fox. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/05 17:08 | I'm a she :) |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | StevieD_Web | 11/03/05 18:07 | 1) At this point we don't know and are only guessing, but the response time to changes you make may not be instanteous as there could be a sandbox effect of somesorts. 2) Keep playing with the ratio. And most importantly try content with no ads |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Lysis | 11/03/05 18:16 | Ugh. Sorry. You know, I knew that. Don't know why I said "he." I'm actually a "she" too, and get called a he all the time. I'm used to it. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | ShopSafe | 11/03/05 18:18 | @StevieD_web RE: "1) At this point we don't know and are only guessing," There is no point in time when we are not guessing and the point at which we "know" is a self-assessed thing which may or may not be well-founded. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/05 20:22 | Google Webmaster Tools still shows the Site performance stats last updated Feb 20th. I'm not sure if they have more updated stats than what they publish in Webmaster Tools, but either way, as you mentioned, they can sandbox the results for awhile as |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | StevieD_Web | 11/03/05 21:40 | Oh how true. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Donel | 11/03/05 22:03 | I keep seeing you saying that, I am unsure of your intention. People put websites up to make money, if they didn't the web would not be what it is today. Most people aren't bloggers on their free time, and do it for a living. You put a website up t |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | StevieD_Web | 11/03/05 23:58 | Yes people put up websites to make $. The website sells something. Adobe sells software. Dell sells computers. Intel sells computer chips. See a simple pattern? Selling Stuffl. Content Farms sell ad space. That is all they have to offer. S |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Donel | 11/03/06 0:35 | Ya I see the pattern.. If I lookup StevieD is an idiot, I better see adobe or a service selling me something. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Richard Hearne | 11/03/06 2:31 | You'll never know the impact. Google are not going to make this a switch that suddenly turns off when you have the right "mix". That would be inherently foolish as spammers would take advantage. At a guess I'd say you're looking at a long multi-mo |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | ShopSafe | 11/03/06 16:33 | I am sorry but I do not agree with a lot that has been said in this thread. If anybody knows anything about anything then Red Cardinal will know so I guess I am wrong but I do not see anything in this update that is affected by advertising nor can I |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/03/06 17:29 | SEO101 - and several other of you GOOGLE Answerers. You are VERY WRONG. ============================================================================== "ALSO, this again demonstrates the folly of having a business model that is dependent on a free tr |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | seo101 | 11/03/06 18:04 | Unfortunatly Lycrical, you are the one that is wrong. You rant rant as much as you like about this; you can fantasize as much as you like about what you think Google actually does. At the end of the day, they are their search results and they can d |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/03/06 18:12 | True. But that is not what you said before. You said that it was a FREE search engine. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | seo101 | 11/03/06 19:17 | Its not utter bullshit. Google provide you with free traffic - its that simple. If you want to build a business on getting that free traffic, then that your a business choice you make. I just can't figure out why people who made that choice to base a |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Lysis | 11/03/06 19:26 | I just saw one of your banner ads Dani! It's a step in the right direction, although I don't know if you've always advertised. I hope you recover now that you got rid of that popup. :P You always had good info. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/03/06 19:43 | Hmmm... OK - I'm going to carefully state something that you may not see, as you are too close to the content. Google is a MULTI BILLION dollar business. It created a "WAY" of the internet by "herding" and separating sites into categories, then tea |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Lysis | 11/03/06 19:47 | I rarely see any website that Google has gotten rid of that didn't deserve it. I'd say Google has a 99.9% accuracy when it comes to pulling the plug on crap content. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | seo101 | 11/03/06 19:49 | Your whole argument falls down on the basic conecpet of: How are you actually paying any money to Google to get that traffic from the organic search results? |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/03/06 19:53 | Still SEO -regardless if Google is right (or GOD SUPREME - whatever - ) doesn't matter. I still stand by my original rant. I think you've been very unkind to people in the webmaster's forum. You're supposed to be here to help webmasters. That means |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/03/06 20:05 | OK Lysis - what about DaniWeb? Do you think it deserved to be relegated to the back ranks? I don't - it has a lot of information, good links, it's a really decent site, original content... I wish that SPAM sites would be gotten rid of. For example: |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | StevieD_Web | 11/03/06 21:42 | Yes. Unfortunately Dani has been pretty clear that if the ads didn't exist, the site would have never evolved to the size that it is. Since Dani has a tremendous amount of redundant content and all that content contains ads then Dani is going to ha |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/03/06 21:56 | OK Stevie D - see... that's precisely the issue. Google took away from advertising companies all over the world. Commercial Television, movies, Phone Books, etc. It literally killed many industries that are just now actually realizing they are dead |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/06 22:42 | Yes, we have. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | omecha | 11/03/06 22:49 | Check out http://google-algorithm-ruins-my-business.blogspot.com/ Google's monopoly position should get attention. 15 yrs ago, Microsoft got the monopoly position in the world of PC, they almost get split in 1999. In this new era, we should have la |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | seo101 | 11/03/06 22:53 | omecha - how did it actually ruin your business? You chose to base a business on getting free traffic from Google. Any business model based on getting that free traffic is never going to work in the long term (this and every other major update Google |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/03/06 23:12 | Again - Nothing Google does is free - it uses the content of the sites to place ads and create an ad revenue stream... Google is not some knight in white shining armor kissing babies and handing out free lunches. gaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh. Can we say |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | omecha | 11/03/06 23:21 | seo101, Let's make an analogy with Microsoft 15 years ago. ref http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft The plaintiffs alleged that Microsoft abused monopoly power on Intel-based personal computers in its handling of operating system |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | seo101 | 11/03/06 23:23 | Google are not remotely close to being a monoply, so your argument carries no weight. @lyrical - all my sites (except 2) are up since the algorithm update. For every site that goes down another goes up. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/03/06 23:28 | SEO - that's great. I hold no ill will - I just wish you'd treat people nicer. I'm cool that you have blind loyalty - that's da bomb. I could use people like that in my field. And I am cool that you and I don't agree on things - that makes good c |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | ShopSafe | 11/03/06 23:34 | No, it doesn't |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/03/06 23:47 | Well since opinions are all relative anyway - nice to meetcha cuz. Are you a kool aid drinker? |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/03/06 23:52 | Actually you don't drink the kool aid - you're one of the nice people in the forum. Please remain that way. I've read your comments to people and I like the way you handle them. It's very professional and polite - with kindness and honesty behind th |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | ShopSafe | 11/03/07 0:51 | Thank you but it adds nothing to Dani's thread. They let anyone push their own barrow here. There is no need to commandeer someone else's thread. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Immys | 11/03/07 2:47 | The more changes Google makes the more SEO-driven sites - maybe sites like those of "seo101" - come into the Top 10, as we´ve seen in the last months, maybe not directly after an allgo-change, but short time after that ... as those who are not perfec |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/07 10:14 | I did some more tweaking yesterday to further improve page speeds. If I haven't mentioned it before, we used to receive about 300,000 pageviews daily. Before the algorithm change, about 90,000 pageviews were US based. Since the algorithm change, abo |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | StevieD_Web | 11/03/07 10:36 | But http:// http://androidtabletcentral.com/ doesn't have an "advertise with us" tab on their website. And androidtabletcentral is selling the products they list. Personally, I would never buy anything from a crap site like androidtabletcentral, but |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Puntsy | 11/03/07 10:44 | Um... Android Tablet Central is an affiliate site. They don't even sell anything on their own site. This whole ad theory is garbage. Their entire site is basically one big ad/funnel for another site... this one: http://www.merimobiles*com/ProductDeta |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Puntsy | 11/03/07 10:47 | Okay wait... finally someone came on their live chat. It works, but I dare you to ask them a technical question... |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Farmer Effects | 11/03/07 10:59 | Are you serious? http:// http://androidtabletcentral.com/ Is so spammy. If I encountered it, I would run away from it as fast as I can, just by the looks of it. Now to me, this just looks bad. DaniWeb has a true community, looks well designed, looks trus |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/07 12:07 | Android Tablet Central is still the only site in the list that sells something other than ad space. That still doesn't explain why a fluff article on CNN Money.com is considered more of an authority on Androids than DaniWeb, a respected **technology* |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | squibble | 11/03/07 12:52 | Please excuse, I have not read all this thread. I think that it would be helpful to focus on your site and not of others - that will be more productive use of time. Though looking through your site, I wonder whether you will find a smoking gun. I w |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/07 13:25 | squibble, thank you for your productive contribution to this thread :) |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/07 13:33 | I've just gone ahead and blocked http://www.daniweb.com/forums/search.php?searchid= in the robots.txt file. How did you find that all of those bad URLs were indexed anyways? As I've pointed out, I haven't used that URL structure in forever! |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | squibble | 11/03/07 13:36 | I would just put a noindex tag on the search page and forget about it. The reason I mentioned the searches for your content, it is not relating to the actual existence of your tag cloud - more as to why they appear highly, though.... matters are of |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/07 13:59 | None of these navigational URLs at all are in our sitemap. We set a priority for all pages that ARE in our sitemap. That being said, our current URL structure was created about five or six years ago. I have been wanting, for at least the past two ye |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | squibble | 11/03/07 14:05 | Well.. I would only do it if you were going to do it anyway. I would not do it just for this purpose as it would take weeks/months to get any real info. There must be other ways of drilling down into content. Look into your databases perhaps - or use |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/07 14:08 | It has been something I have wanted to do for a VERY long time because, from a usability perspective, there is a huge benefit to urls such as http://daniweb.com/software-development/java/threads/123 and http://daniweb.com/software-development/c/tutorials/456. I've |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | squibble | 11/03/07 14:11 | I would probably do now then, whilst you are redecorating anyway. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Pelagic | 11/03/07 14:12 | Hi Dani, I would slow down with the changes, keep analysing your site and compile an action plan, just don't implement it too quickly out of desparation. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/07 14:30 | While I would be the first to admit that I am desperate, I don't think that ANY of the changes I've implemented have been out of desperation. Every single change that I have made up until this point --- and there have been A LOT --- have been for the |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/03/07 14:59 | If I go to the front page of your site and click on a "news" story, I am taken to the story and I then see a breadcrumb that leads me back to....a forum. THAT's kind of odd. If I trim the URL of the "news" story down to just "daniweb . com/news" I f |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/07 15:29 | Hi Michael, I think the single most important thing that sets DaniWeb apart from all other IT sites out there is that our editorial content is embedded within the same timeline as our forum threads. From our mission statement: " ... we break content |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/03/07 18:35 | I'm in no better position to tell you what is holding you down than the next commenter, but at some point if you change everything else and nothing improves, you may have to consider that being that far outside the normal expectations could be a prob |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/07 20:00 | About a half hour ago, I finished redoing our new URL structures for the forum listings, forum thread and editorial pages. I did not 301 redirect the old URLs (I'm afraid to, so as of right now the pages can be accessed from both old and new URLs) bu |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/07 20:17 | Update: I just added 301 redirects |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | phpld | 11/03/07 20:47 | I don't want to scare you but redoing a lot of urls and overall making a lot of changes on a site has a history or losing rankings. I personally did it anyway because I was concerned about the quality of the site for the long run. We went through a |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | phpld | 11/03/07 20:53 | Had a look around. Would "Link to this page with a member certificate" be possible Reciprocal Linking Scheme? I don't the scale of it, but I could imagine at least the possibility of a penalty. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Celebird | 11/03/07 21:05 | the website's content seems tailored to a community of users rather than search-engines or traffic per se -- but there has been a noted traffic drop and the analysis seems geared toward getting back the traffic and correcting the unfair hit. if so, |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/03/07 22:13 | CELEBIRD --- hits it on the nose in 3 paragraphs or less. Ba da Bing --- Ba da Boom... Google forces good sites to devolve into SEO schemers in order to maintain ranks and beat out the current top position holding scum. Ding din ding ding --- refo |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/08 9:02 | phpld, I know that I am most likely going to lose even more rankings by changing the URL structure. However, it's something that I've been wanting to do for a very long time now, from a usability perspective. I was just afraid to do it b/c we were r |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Lysis | 11/03/08 13:58 | FYI, I did a search last night and DaniWeb came up #2 |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/08 18:42 | Was the result helpful? |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | O-Dog | 11/03/08 19:47 | My cents and all, I see that my {} want stuff that they can download, mod, plug and play... not someone telling them where they might download stuff to plug and play. I dunno. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/08 21:29 | HUH?? |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | ShopSafe | 11/03/08 21:44 | It made sense to me Dani but checking it raises another question. Is the link below the type of article that you should be running? I do not know all that much about it, so I am probably wrong and it is probably not contrary to guidelines but I thin |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/03/08 23:32 | Daaaaaaaaaaaang.... I was applauding that move - and then realized what a change that might have been. That was a brilliant thought tho... Hmmmmm... Do you, by chance, have a Copyright posted with every article? As in Article reprint with permissi |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/03/08 23:34 | Shop - not sure what you mean - it's a very good article review put in - and it has valid points in it... Don't see the cliff edge you're talking about. From a content point of view - it's good. If you're looking at the backlinking to the other sit |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | ShopSafe | 11/03/09 1:08 | |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/03/09 1:24 | OH... Gotcha - as in cliff for is this ok in the legal world sense kinda thing... Uhm - in the tech world there are a lot of things that are like that - uhmmmm downloading and file share --- but their still listed in google - etc. So - as far as an |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | ShopSafe | 11/03/09 2:10 | There is no potentially illegal content on the site but potentially illegal content is linked to. I have no idea if that means anything or not. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | StevieD_Web | 11/03/09 12:35 | >ShopSafe Yes, linking to bad neighborhoods or certain "bad" sites is suppose to be a major no-no with a significant PR hit. What is a bad neighborhood? Who knows for sure, 4chan maybe? |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | dexteronline | 11/03/13 6:56 | <このメッセージは削除されました。> |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/13 22:44 | Hi everyone, My apologies for not posting to this thread for a few days. I have been busy working mornings and nights on the site, mostly finishing up restructuring all the URLs, fixing some bugs that had previously stumped me, and trying my best to |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/03/13 22:47 | HOLY TOLEDO... That's a high set of bills... Good Luck Dani. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/13 23:12 | You don't know the half of it. I also have an office lease, a salary for a full time employee, two systems administrators on monthly retainer, and a new mortgage on my hands. And, as of right now, absolutely no source of business or household income |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Farmer Effects | 11/03/13 23:20 | Let's hang in there Dani. Been going through the same process here, fixing what I can. Hoping things will make a difference. I'm also on the Google Panda diet, if you know what I mean.... |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/13 23:27 | I'm trying. The hardest part is waiting anxiously for Google to recognize all the changes I've made. It's been a few days already and older versions of the pages are still prevalent in Google. There are loads of pages still in the index that have bee |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | phpld | 11/03/13 23:36 | Your website is beautiful in both look and usability. I don't understand the farmer update issue. I don't what has been going on with google lately, but small businesses are taking a hit, just like in the overall economy. I don't know if maybe google |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | ShopSafe | 11/03/13 23:42 | I feel for you Dani. Try to interrupt the cycle with clear thinking time in a park somewhere, some things can't be found with a keyboard. (Don't fall asleep or you'll lose your wallet as well :) ) If it is related to the main issue, the AdSense thing |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/03/14 10:49 | For what it's worth, it came out at the SMX West conference last week that Google is apparently giving less crawl priority to sites affected by the Big Panda update. While that's not very helpful for sites that are aggressively seeking to get back i |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/14 12:21 | Google really just is coming at me from all angles, aren't they? As a side note, I want to re-explore the tag clouds that we have. I am not concerned with them being spidered or not (I'm fine with rel="nofollow", robots.txt to disallow the entire /t |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/03/14 14:10 | I don't have time to go back through the whole discussion to see if someone posted this. Last August Matt Cutts did a video for Google Webmaster Tools where he warns against allowing tag clouds to become filled with too many words. They can look li |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/14 18:19 | I am not. I am using <meta robots="noindex" /> on the tag pages. I don't want Google to index the tag pages themselves, but I do want them to follow all the threads on the tag pages to help them find new articles. >> I want to re-explore the tag clo |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/14 18:54 | Oh ... I see what you mean. Load the tag in an iframe, and add the path to all the iframes into my robots.txt disallow list. Doable ... but still would be an extra http request to the end-user for no reason. Silly google. I think I'm most likely goin |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | ShopSafe | 11/03/14 19:11 | I think Michael has given you good advice (and he did not mention robots.txt). I have never seen Googlebot follow the path to the iframes, there might be no need to block it in robots.txt. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | StevieD_Web | 11/03/14 19:20 | Stop and think for a moment about all these changes you are making for a moment. How do you know what is correct info? We don't. It is all a guess. One reason it is all a guess is because the line of demarkation always moves. Keyword stuffing. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | ShopSafe | 11/03/14 19:33 | Peer-review. It is why this forum is so useful. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Richard Hearne | 11/03/15 3:17 | I haven't followed this thread completely, but I don't think you should use robots.txt to remove any content. It's doesn't remove content, it simply blocks access. If you add Robots META NoIndex, and block access nothing will happen. I'd strongly s |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/03/15 11:41 | Yes. Either use meta NOINDEX (which seems to be what Google is advising people to do at conferences) or use robots.txt to prevent crawling. With respect to protecting iframed content, you DO want to block it in robots.txt because you never know when |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/03/15 12:44 | Dani - I'm holding my breath for you - patience is what you need now... I know it doesn't help with the bills... But I think more changes could cause the pendulum to swing too swiftly - without knowing the exact results. I don't know how often the b |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | ShopSafe | 11/03/15 17:24 | @LQ It's not a reality show, it's real life. It is obvious that you mean well but consider that chatting about it might not be helping Dani. Re: Robots.txt. Dani already has 49 Disallows. I think it is the wrong time to tell Googlebot to come back l |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | SouledOUT116 | 11/03/15 18:01 | For what it is worth, a heavy qty of tag generated pages, with heavy pagination were removed today via the Crawler Access, area in WMTs. I have also retooled my XML sitemap as it was to large b4 and I had not noticed. New URLs were submitted and the |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/15 21:05 | Just about all of these lines have existed in robots.txt for years. I only recently added 2 or 3 lines to the list, all three of which are either behind a login wall or consist of millions of pages of member statistics with no valuable content. (aka |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | SouledOUT116 | 11/03/15 22:24 | Sorry Dani, to confuse you or be off topic. I see redundant pages in my site as being tag pages. Yours are much better for users. But to give you an idea of what might matter or be seen and systematic content. Take a look at your page titles in your |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | drsmoothie | 11/03/16 14:35 | Dani I see Google ads still be displayed on the site. I do wonder though the way they are being injected into the forum post leads me to believe they might violate TOS. Some are at the top some are in the mix of the post. Has the adsense account been |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/16 20:35 | Our AdSense account was finally reinstated yesterday, and we went live after final approval today. We have always had custom AdSense units, which lets us design them to our own taste, blended in with the site. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/16 20:39 | SouledOUT, our tag pages have the meta directive to noindex. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | drsmoothie | 11/03/17 11:56 | Hmm I wonder then could the manual review of the site due to something with the adsense be a cause? |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/17 13:53 | No, because the AdSense thing happened just a few days ago, I got in touch with my AdSense rep, and the problem was fixed. AdSense is back to loving me. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | WendyPiersall | 11/03/17 16:39 | Dani - I feel for you, girl. I'm not in IT, but you would have to be brain dead not to be able to tell your forum is an extremely valuable resource with an obviously vibrant community behind it My own craft blog has been hit - 150+ hand written origi |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | TomislavG | 11/03/17 16:51 | Just a quick note that might be usefull, one of our client sites gots hit by similar problems last summer. We endured months and months of agonizing scrutiny over the website and just what might have been wrong. Google had dropped the site to unbelie |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | aaron_baugher | 11/03/18 7:44 | You forgot to mention the part where first the DOT sold you the shipping software and hooked you up with a dry ice supplier and sent you emails every week recommending new faraway places to ship your product. We've all seen the diagram showing all t |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | StevieD_Web | 11/03/18 8:39 | >aaron It is one thing to monetize content on a site and another thing to produce content just so the content can be monetized. Where is the point of demarcation? Nobody has been able to find a specific "line in the sand", but (to borrow a ph |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | ShopSafe | 11/03/18 13:34 | http://www.daniweb.com went from 90K US visitors/day down to 50K US visitors/day in one day. It's a good-looking site that seems to well-supported and well-liked. It's a simple question that deserves simple and specific analysis. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | aaron_baugher | 11/03/20 16:35 | Stevie D, Certainly there are cases of "I know it when I see it," but I don't think you can call DaniWeb one of those. Sure, there are going to be pages of worthless content there -- like on any forum or other UGC site. Does that mean UGC-site own |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | StevieD_Web | 11/03/20 22:23 | >aaron |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/21 9:23 | Most likely because these site owners do not run their information sites as fulltime businesses with offices, employees and $50,000 per month carrying costs, and a little less traffic from Google does not thrust them into bankruptcy. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/21 9:24 | ... Not because their traffic increased as the result of Panda. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | StevieD_Web | 11/03/22 8:27 | Try again. On of the site I refer to rejected an 8 digit buyout offer by one of the content farmers. Another site their big push from 3M in venture capital financing. There is $ invested in a lot of forums, blogs and baby content farms. Obviousl |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | ShopSafe | 11/03/22 8:37 | @StevieD_Web I don't think you will find any statement anywhere from a Google spokesperson mentioning "advertising" and "Panda update" in the same sentence. Same for "content-farms". If you have a link, I would like to read it. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/03/22 11:12 | I would like to read such an article too. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Lazarus1 | 11/03/22 14:07 | The fact that you are a major player in your field doesn't mean you are innocent in your field and the "100% of our content is 100% unique" in your post even confirms that.What people forget is that, google had no particular website in mind. Your web |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | StevieD_Web | 11/03/22 16:41 | >Shop You are right, Google spokesdudes are never going to address the ad versus Panda update Actually nobody from Google is every going to talk specifics about Panda or any other algo change. So what is the Panda algo all about? It is left |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/03/22 17:00 | And if they had it right, we could expect to see a whole lot of Websites fixing these "problems" and coming back to dominate the search results. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/22 17:57 | We do not do that. Every editorial article on our site was written exclusively for us. If we catch a forum member posting something that exists elsewhere, we delete it immediately. We are very strict about it. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | ShopSafe | 11/03/22 19:00 | @StevieD_Web RE: "It is left to us to figure out." Full credit to you, mate, you are more ambitious than I am but consider opening another thread to tell us how you did it. I think I count 17/171 posts in this one thread. I think the payload was effe |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | StevieD_Web | 11/03/22 19:42 | Micheal |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | WendyPiersall | 11/03/22 20:15 | @Dani - Don't feed the trolls :) |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | aaron_baugher | 11/03/23 17:18 | In the thread where a Google employee asked people to report legitimate sites having problems with Panda, sites with no ads at all have been reported. So this theory that sites are being punished for using AdSense the way it was designed and markete |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Immys | 11/03/24 2:07 | @aaron_baugher: "The lesson of Panda (and previous updates) for site owners would appear to be this: Any individual site can get killed by a Google update. There are no guarantees: no matter how unique your content, how relevant your links, how car |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/03/24 18:10 | There are a lot of very successful companies that are exclusively based around one domain name. Amazon.com. eBay.com. Facebook.com. Wikipedia.org. IMHO, a company built around a single domain name is perfectly fine, provided that the one website has |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | WendyPiersall | 11/03/24 20:02 | I'd argue that all of those site would go under if Google decided to hate them, too, with the possible exception of Facebook. A site that big couldn't sustain the damage that we are sustaining, either. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | ShopSafe | 11/03/24 22:45 | Search engines don't care who provides the result, they care only about the quality of the result as they perceive it. Call that an emotion if you like, but it won't help figure out how to re-earn the position. As long as Danny knows there will be no |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | aaron_baugher | 11/03/25 8:32 | Yeah, I don't know if Google could *kill* Wikipedia the way they can a mom-and-pop site, but they could sure do it some damage if they decided to. Most people don't search Wikipedia; they search Google and get a Wiki link as one of the first results |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | StevieD_Web | 11/03/25 17:26 | > aaron You are absolutely correct about searching/using Wiki. I use Wikipedia as a source of a lot of obscure info, but I do a G/B search for the topic and then click over to Wiki (who is usually the first SER). I never search Wikipedia, mainl |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | dexteronline | 11/04/13 8:42 | <このメッセージは削除されました。> |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | organic-12 | 11/04/13 9:17 | I agree that it is important that you diversify your traffic. Has anyone seen the Panda algorithm update impact traffic from http://google.ca as of yet? |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/04/18 12:50 | Yes, the second iteration of Panda has killed all of our International traffic -- UK, Canada, India, etc. We went from 350,000 daily pageviews down to about 75,000 daily pageviews, globally. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/04/18 15:56 | Dani, here is a suggestion for you to consider: When whatever you're doing doesn't work, try something else. You have a very non-standard design for your site. You insisted before that you wanted to stick to it and do things your way. Your way may |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | pandahatesme | 11/04/18 16:46 | @Michael, here's where it seems tricky to me. So now we are to follow a "standard" way of doing things in order to get traffic. We have to be unique and original yet we aren't really unique and original if we are to follow "standards" for design/la |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Lysis | 11/04/18 17:04 | You people think that google should adhere to your standards. It's the other way around. You want a free service, you need to adhere to theirs. If your local grocery store wants to rearrange its fruit section because customers like to see the pretty |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | ShopSafe | 11/04/18 17:42 | RE: "We need to please users yet we are spending more cycles today to please the bot than users. I wish that people did not speak out of both sides of their mouths." It is only complex if you insist on making it that way. The system records user beh |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/04/18 17:50 | No, I think there is plenty of room for creativity. The problem is that it looks to me like Google has chosen to restrict certain types of creativity. I don't believe people should allow themselves to become so emotionally invested in the precise i |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/04/18 23:46 | Our community members keep coming back. New posts and activity on the site has not taken even the slightest hit, despite such a steep traffic drop. > Since other sites are doing well, I suggest you consider following their example ... I do not know |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | StevieD_Web | 11/04/19 8:34 | Speaking of a penalty sandbox..... You may have fixed the isssue(s), waited for reinstatement (for lack of a better word), didn't see one (because nobody knows how big/durationg the sandbox may be) and did not something with another change to actua |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/04/19 12:12 | As I've mentioned multiple times in this thread, there is nothing that I did specifically and only to help the Panda situation alone. Everything that I've changed over the past month and a half has had some type of usability benefit, performance impr |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/04/19 12:13 | I do not know of any sites that have been confirmed to have been hit by Panda and have since recovered. I have made MANY changes post-Panda. It is very possible that I actually fixed the problem, but that we are all in some type of post-penalty sandb |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/04/20 16:16 | What is strange is that our crawl rate has not noticeably decreased -- Google is still crawling about 250,000 pages per day on our site. There was an uptick right after we changed our URL structure around up to 500,000 pages per day for a couple of d |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/04/20 17:23 | Again, I don't think you're penalized. The Panda algorithm seems to have tightened enforcement of Google's Webmaster guidelines. That's just my opinion or interpretation of things. If I search your home page for "computer help", I don't find the ex |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/04/20 18:13 | Our page title used to have the words 'computer help' in them, and therefore we built up a large backlink profile (that still exists) with the keyphrase 'computer help' as part of the anchor text ... Even long after those words were removed from the |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/04/20 18:17 | Follow Up: I just went into Google Webmaster Tools and clicked on the section 'Links to your site' => 'Anchor text'. Apparently one of the top phrases used as anchor text to link to DaniWeb is "daniweb computer help forums". Coupled with everything |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/04/21 12:26 | But not any more. Whatever you think worked for you in the past doesn't seem to be working for you in the present, and probably won't in the future. In my opinion, if you want to rank your home page for "Computer Help", you need to spell it out in p |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/04/21 13:12 | Oh, I don't care if I rank for 'computer help' or not. I was just giving you an example of something we ranked #1 on for many, many years and then abruptly stopped the day Panda hit, since you asked for examples of what we used to rank for on our hom |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/04/21 16:56 | I understand but I'm also speaking abstractly. I doubt there is any one reason why you lost so much traffic. I am sure there are several factors working together to lead Google to downgrade your site. Using the terms you think you should receive tr |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Richard Hearne | 11/04/21 21:56 | I'd also suggest ignoring the data in there. Sadly it's so terribly bad that it border's on useless. I'd only use it for medium to long term trending, and potentially some ranking info, but as Michael Martinez points out you need to filter it a lot |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/04/22 9:34 | I'm confused how you can use it for medium-to-long term trending, because the problem that I keep running into is that it doesn't let me change the dates back enough to pre-Panda, so I can't even compare pre-and-post Panda. I have been finding that i |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Pelagic | 11/04/22 9:57 | I agree with RedCardinal regarding the ranking info, it is often skewed by I assume Google Places listings and/or Personalised results? if only those could be filtered also ;) The date limitation is also a big frustration, however the data can be d |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Lysis | 11/04/22 10:21 | I don't pay attention to any of the webmaster tools stuff for stats. I check Google analytics though every day. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Pelagic | 11/04/22 10:55 | There is some great useful data provided in WMT, however without the ability to filter Places and/or Personalised results from the web search stats its of little interest to me ;( |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/04/22 14:48 | People who want to track trends in Google Webmaster Tools data have to download the data every 1-2 weeks and combine older downloads with newer data. I would look more at the page performance data than the query performance data but these are not nu |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/04/23 9:32 | I don't know how accurate their stats are, but at least it's some data to use for comparison Alexa's data is based in part on ISP traffic sampling. For sites in the top 10,000 the estimates are probably rather good but I would not go so far as to sa |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/04/24 12:23 | Alexa is accurate in the sense that traffic was steadily climbing up through February. When Panda hit, it took a dive. A few weeks ago, when Panda went global, it took an absolute huge nosedive. So, in that regard, the trend is accurate. Quantcast is |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/04/24 13:38 | A *huge* issue that I've been having post-Panda is that scraper sites are ranking above our unique content (Been the trend across the web lately, hasn't it been?) However, it's just getting worse and worse ... Here is an example: http://www.daniweb |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | StevieD_Web | 11/04/24 14:50 | There has ALWAYS has been a POTENTIAL for scraper sites to rank higher than the original content Always. Potential. That said, usually the scrapper site shows up in the index for an hour/day/week/month, then the algo kicks in and the scrapper si |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/04/24 15:01 | It was always the case for DaniWeb that scraper sites would rank high for our articles. However, since Panda, it's been just ridiculous. Every single one of our articles without fail has scraper sites ranking above the original. Not only that, but sc |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/04/24 19:16 | For those of you who have been following this thread, our AdSense account was temporarily disabled for about 3 days last month due to something very silly ;) Regardless, I just logged into Google AdSense and saw a red message at the top saying "You H |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | StevieD_Web | 11/04/24 23:57 | Above the fold / below the fold / no-pagination verus with pagination. More ads are not automatically bad, it where/how the ads are handled & located that might be the factor in demoting a page. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/04/25 0:48 | The AdSense Team doesn't really coordinate well with the Web Quality Team, although they did just revise their guidelines (perhaps after meeting to compare notes with the WQ folks). It's a common thread among Pandalyzed sites that many of them see sc |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Celebird | 11/04/25 0:51 | such opposing forces do not seem all that unusual. literary publishing has had similar seemingly constant tussles among ad revenue, ad space, circulation, and quality content. push one and the others expand or contract -- like a bad eddington space |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/04/27 16:04 | I guess so -- It's just incredibly frustrating from this side of things because first Google takes away half your traffic, then they start consistently ranking scraper sites that copied your content above yours, then you read that too many ads above |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/04/27 16:40 | It's still happening -- EVERY single article on our site is being beat out by a scraper site. Fro very recent articles too: Just check out this link ... http://www.google.com/search?q=Don%27t+panic+but+Apple+knows+exactly+where+you+are%2Fbeen&sourc |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/04/27 17:45 | I see your site listed above all other results when I use that query. I have my location set to "United States" and I am logged out of Google in one browser and have Web History disabled in the browser I'm using to type in this reply. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | pandahatesme | 11/04/27 18:02 | My hardest hit pages are those with a lot of scrapers. I've fixed so much already yet no real changes here. I suspect it may be because of these scrapers still in the index? |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | dexteronline | 11/04/28 6:33 | <このメッセージは削除されました。> |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/04/28 10:56 | Unfortunately it shows #2 for me, with one of the scrapers as #1, and additional scrapers in the 3rd, 4th, and 5th positions. Not logged in, and in New York City. > Have you ever looked at your site when JavaScript has been disabled ? Yes, a very li |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/04/28 10:58 | Putting all those tag cloud links where a search engine will find them on the front page may not be the best solution. Google is advising people that large tag clouds may look like link spam to their algorithm, so Dani is doing the right thing with |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/04/28 11:16 | > Well. Then you are serving one website to users and one website to the google-bot. I am NOT cloaking. I am creating the tag clouds on an external page and using JavaScript to inject them into the current page, similar to an iframe. The advantage is |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/04/28 11:17 | And, yes, we do get a lot of use from our tag clouds, which is why getting rid of them is not an option for us. ;) Went into detail earlier in this thread. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/04/28 13:16 | All of the same content on the homepage used to be visible without JavaScript. I removed it post-Panda to only feature our [higher-quality] editorial content as opposed to our user-generated content, and use JavaScript to populate the UGC stuff, beca |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/04/28 14:00 | Well. Then you are serving one website to users and one website to the google-bot. Google could be capable of understanding, through the fetching of your site content ( scripting included ), those cloud tags are there, and thus not hiding the links a |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/04/28 14:14 | The HTML code does not change depending on the user agent. I'm simply using some JavaScript that google most likely understands anyways. I'm not using any cloaking or grey-hat SEO techniques on the webpage itself. All the SEO magic happens in the rob |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/04/28 15:08 | Firstly, I'm a she :) Secondly ... You still don't understand that Google will never have any way of seeing or spidering the cloud links in any way whatsoever. Cutts specifically suggested that tag clouds are seen as keyword stuffing -- so that work |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/04/28 16:24 | I was referring to the practice of not displaying all of his content to an SE, and that not using a noscript tag was/is having a negative impact on his rank. And you were wrong. What I was implying, is google can read and maybe even determine those |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/04/28 18:46 | There is documentation by Google that recommends what I suggested ( noscript )Only for content that the Webmaster wants to ensure is indexed. That's not a matter of opinion or interpretation. It's a matter of respecting Webmaster's wishes and the gu |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | ShopSafe | 11/04/28 18:58 | You are usually spot-on, Mike, but I think you may have missed a point with this one. "spam" can only be "spam" if it appears in the index. If you view the source of one of the Tag Cloud pages you will find <meta name="robots" content="noindex" /> |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/04/29 8:53 | > So, why not take Google's advice and prune the forum - just get rid of forum threads that don't offer much to visitors I've done this. About 20-25% of our forum threads now contain the "noindex" meta tag. Additionally, our entire Business Exchange |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/04/29 10:59 | Dani, I've looked at thousands of Websites that were made for search engines through the past 12 years and yours doesn't even come close to looking like it was made for search. You provide a fundamentally unique approach to Website design and presen |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Puntsy | 11/04/29 13:43 | SEO is an insult to the intelligence of the google-bot, which is sophisticated enough to weed out repetition or spammy content - result = no appreciable difference. SEO is more myth then anything else. Why then, good sir, do you choose to offer "EXP |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Jarrod1937 | 11/04/29 14:17 | I would argue there are two definitions of "SEO". To me it is just designing your site and page structure in a way that makes the site easier for a bot to crawl your site and figure out what your content is about, this is classified as "Whitehat SEO" |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | mraccardi | 11/04/29 14:52 | Mike and Dani why bother even posting here ? This forum is fulled of the same people making stupid remarks all day. You would never take advice from crazy people in real life why do it in a forum ? Unfortunately, the same people post the same junk |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Jarrod1937 | 11/04/29 14:58 | Well, technically items you can do that act as whitehat SEO may also help with the content on the site. Providing breadcrumb type page titles helps the bots and the users understand the context of a page better. Alt tags for images help those who hav |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/04/29 15:58 | Mike, if you knew what you were talking about in the first place, I never would have responded by pointing out the nonsense in your posts. If you're going to continue to derail the thread then hopefully Dani will just ignore you. Your advice and fe |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Jarrod1937 | 11/04/29 16:01 | Defending is not being defensive, at least in the sense you mean. You offered your opinion, i disagreed, you stated that i may have not understood the context, i simply stated that i did not misunderstand and explained why. So, no, that is not taking |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | ShopSafe | 11/04/29 16:42 | Nobody can be proven right or wrong here so defending an opinion is futile. Consider opening another thread to debate this thread, Mike. I can see at least five statements where I think your opinions are unfounded but I won't mention them here. This |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/04/30 0:26 | when you noindex a page ( 30,000+ ) you're playing with fire.. You're only embarrassing yourself, as NoIndexing content is precisely what Google has been telling people to do both in these forums and in their Webmaster Guidelines. Just stop posting. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Pelagic | 11/04/30 9:30 | Mike, quick point; meta-noindex does not prevent pr flowing through any given page |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Pelagic | 11/04/30 9:54 | Mike I think you are maybe confusing robots noindex and meta noindex? With meta-noindex the page is crawled and exists within G's internal index, it is of course not shown in the public index. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Pelagic | 11/04/30 10:28 | Mike, read Vanessa's article http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2007/03/using-robots-meta-tag.html, then re-read Matt's on the url that you provided earlier http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-noindex-behavior/ I'll quote him to save you ti |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Farmer Effects | 11/04/30 11:46 | My understanding is that meta noindex, follow means that the page is not shown in the index but link equity still flows via follow. Why distinguish noindex, nofollow and noindex, follow then? Follow means you pass PR right? |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Becky Sharpe | 11/04/30 13:26 | Yes, for a page that is in the index. NO!! A page isn't required to be indexed to flow PageRank. Only the nofollow directive stops the flow of PR. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Becky Sharpe | 11/04/30 17:19 | When so many are disagreeing with you, do you not consider that you might be wrong? Noindex instructs the search engines not to index the page - it doesn't tell the bots not to crawl the page. Crawling and indexing aren't simultaneous, the indexing f |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Becky Sharpe | 11/05/01 15:04 | Hi Mike It's not a popularity poll - it's a matter of understanding how things work. I make no claims for myself, but Michael, for example, has been around a good few years and is highly regarded by his peers. His opinion is well worth considering. A |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | PeggyK | 11/05/01 17:34 | I'm not an expert, but I've been assuming that what Matt Cutts said in this 2007 interview with Eric Enge still holds true: http://www.stonetemple.com/articles/interview-matt-cutts.shtml Eric Enge: Can a NoIndex page accumulate PageRank? Matt Cut |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Pro Timewaster | 11/05/05 9:02 | let me throw the facts back at you for a second there. You were in business for 8 years! You were getting free traffic from google all this time.. Now you've lost 1/3 of your traffic* so you cannot pay your staff, employees, rent etc.. So after 8 |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/05/09 13:52 | Hi, Sorry for not posting in awhile. I was getting a little underwhelmed that this thread was turning into a flame war so I decided to take a step back. We are forums + editorial for everything IT related, including Internet marketing. In those for |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/05/09 16:13 | So Dani, what are you willing to try next at this point? And have you read Google's Friday Webmaster Central blog post? http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2011/05/more-guidance-on-building-high-quality.htmlMore guidance on building high-qual |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | StevieD_Web | 11/05/10 10:21 | Bingo. Major step in the right direction. I would take it one step further and nonindex the page until the responses have been hand reviewed OR automate the system to index the Q&A when a high valued poster responds. This way a goofy Q with a poo |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/05/10 11:05 | Not possible with thousands of posts being added daily. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/05/10 11:06 | It was done weeks ago, and then written in this thread that I did it. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/05/10 11:17 | Unless you were to use the criteria that Google uses, it would be pointless for you to try to develop such an algorithm. I think you're missing the key point here: it's Google's index and they get to write the rules for how that index is managed and |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/05/10 12:30 | I am not criticizing Google's algorithm. I am simply saying that it is futile for me to come up with my own algorithm to determine the importance/quality of a page and therefore automate when to noindex the page. Google has some of the smartest peopl |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/05/10 13:17 | That was not me. I would never advise anyone to try to replicate Google's algorithm. In fact, I've written about why that is impossible on SEO Theory. What I do believe is possible, however, is to rethink the design of any Website that has been dow |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | fijinet | 11/05/11 0:36 | @StevieD_Web Every webmaster claims their site is innocent. The facts often lie somewhere else. Here are some questions to ask yourself as you analyze your own website.... Would you have a website if ads were prohibited? ---- That just makes no sen |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | lockedout-noreason | 11/05/11 0:57 | Dani, it's possible that you fixed the problem. The main problem may be that Google hasn't regenerated the algo with the new changes |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Richard Hearne | 11/05/16 22:44 | THings are looking up for DaniEb now? http://www.daniweb.com/internet-marketing/search-engine-optimization/news/364574 Glad to see, and in the long run I suspect this may be something very positive for both the site and its users. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/05/16 22:52 | Nice Spot on Red... Love seeing this kinda stuff. Sheer effort meets dedication. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | lockedout-noreason | 11/05/17 1:33 | The trend is definitely positive but she is far from being recovered judging by the graph. http://www.daniweb.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20976&d=1305571975 I hope that this is signal that sites are being released from Panda. So far site |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | dotmediaweb | 11/05/19 10:11 | Dani - It's a terrible suggestion but what about killing the RSS feeds? That might start mitigating the impact of the scrapper sites on you. Quite a few blogs have done this post-panda to keep scrapers from easily taking their content. Also, why not |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | pubcrawlercom | 11/05/29 10:38 | Not only should people kill RSS feeds, but they should start auditing their traffic. For instance, what good does Feedburner acting as a proxy to my RSS feeds provide me? All I know really is that Google has requested a RSS feed. Who's on the end |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/05/29 13:35 | Pub I am agreed on the lessor value of the RSS feature - and stated so in another recent post. I, for one, will not revisit that other thread where people who are unwilling to make changes and only point fingers sit. Dani is a PERFECT example off w |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | EricLegge | 11/06/01 15:37 | Lyrical Question went back to the "Think you're affected by the recent algorithm change? Post here. " thread today after saying she would never be back because a poster called Kunstbus produced links to her unbelievably poor sites. See page 96 |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/06/01 17:25 | Eric - you're an idiot - and you came in here to do this? This is called harassment. GFY... *GRIN*. This is the PRECISE reason I would not put my work out here for you idiots. Keep posting and making yourself look like the scum you are. But of c |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/06/01 17:30 | *grumble grumble* psychotic idiotic waterbag people off their medications again... Sigh... Eric - go take a chill down med - come back and quit prodding the snakes here.... Because UNLIKE my real websites --- I know where yours is. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/06/01 17:41 | Excuse me -- I meant - ARE.... I mean --- astrologically speaking it's easy - considering everyone has a birthday... and uhmmmm I always say people should always buyer beware when they purchase PCs... Don't you think? You want to keep threatening an |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | dcshutterbug | 11/06/02 7:21 | StevieD_Web said: "Today, Google said you can't have a business based solely upon ad revenue. Their rules. Their ball field." Oh, so that's the reason some of us got dumped, financially hurt?! Then why did AdSense reps contact me and encourage |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | PeggyK | 11/06/02 13:34 | I disagree with what you say StevieD_Web wrote. I'm am AdSense Publisher (and a TC in the Adsense forum), so maybe I'm biased, but Google has never said that you can't use AdSense or earn money from advertising on your site. Google wants publishers |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | StevieD_Web | 11/06/02 13:51 | @dcshutterbug One of the definitions of a Content farm is Content being written for the specific purpose of being monetized. If that definition is correct than ad revenue can not be the "purpose" of your site. So why have a content website if |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | hotwinduk | 11/06/02 15:48 | Lyrical Question it looks to me as if it is you who is threatening Eric Legge. Like Kunstbus, all he did was point out to people that they should take your advice with a pinch of salt. If you are reading this, Eric, and this nut case does anything to |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | EricLegge | 11/06/02 16:22 | Thanks, hotwinduk, but I can look after myself. I am not hiding behind a non de plume like Lyrical Question and I gave the URL of the site that was hit by Panda on the other main thread, because people like her don't worry me. If my sites are interf |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/06/02 16:23 | Really hotwind... You have some issues to be following me around too... So you, eric (who believes in Telepathic Orgasms, mind you - from his own site and I believe Book...) and kunst ride the same short bus? If people choose to take my advice - bas |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/06/02 16:24 | And I never threatened your site ya dingbat... Are you guys related and off your meds or something? |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | shukla_vikas | 11/07/10 6:57 | Daniweb, did your site finally recovered from Panda ? |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | dexteronline | 11/07/10 8:03 | <このメッセージは削除されました。> |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | dexteronline | 11/07/10 9:44 | <このメッセージは削除されました。> |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/07/10 14:38 | I dunno... I just asked seems they;ve picked up - from what I can see ---- most that do well - don't return to say thanks or advise. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | dexteronline | 11/07/10 19:13 | <このメッセージは削除されました。> |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | lockedout-noreason | 11/07/12 12:16 | dexteronline, are these 20K and 60K real or did you get them from Quantcast? Looks like sites hit on Feb have almost an impossible task to come back, maybe Google has a set time penalty or something |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | dexteronline | 11/07/13 1:06 | <このメッセージは削除されました。> |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | dexteronline | 11/07/13 1:14 | <このメッセージは削除されました。> |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/07/25 16:34 | Hi everyone, Just a quick status update. It appears as if our traffic suddenly returned to normal over this past weekend, just as quick as it disappeared back in February. It is still to early to tell, since Monday is only half over, but it is looki |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | ShopSafe | 11/07/25 17:06 | It's good news Dani. Great news, but I do not know why you thought it would be a giid idea to mention Adwords. What nexus could there be between the two events? I am not pretending I have a clue but I think that an algorithmic penalty which expired |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/07/25 17:14 | I mentioned AdWords because we use it heavily to increase registrations, which directly results in an increase in posts per day. If there was a correlation, then it was a sudden increase in new content followed the penalty reversal. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Becky Sharpe | 11/07/26 1:58 | Excellent news and thanks for the feedback :) |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/07/26 11:45 | Thanks Dani - I've been following your work closely - and it correlates completely with the items and advice we have been giving. I just didn't know how long exactly it would take. And was kind of worried when we didn't see an immediate change after |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/07/26 11:47 | Congratulations on the recovery, Dani. Based on buzz around the Web, it seems like Google might have rolled out another Panda update this past weekend and sites that have made improvements are seeing the benefit of having done so. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Pelagic | 11/07/27 8:18 | I suggest it might be just a bit premature to consider it as a recovery already, as Dani stated "It is still to early to tell", there were certainly significant fluctuations over the weekend, specifically to those sites (to varying degrees) that ha |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Becky Sharpe | 11/07/27 8:46 | Where do you get your exceptional insights into the workings of Panda, Pelagic? Your pontificating has no more value than any other opinion, with the notable difference that it carries your trademark negativity. This is a Help Forum - or had you forg |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/07/27 11:27 | Without getting into a discussion about anyone's opinion, Google did confirm yesterday (through Search Engine Land) that they released a new Panda iteration on Friday, July 22. Everyone's mileage may vary. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/07/27 14:06 | It definitely was a full recovery for us. Check out this article for the details along with some Google Analytics screenshots: http://www.webpronews.com/daniweb-claims-110-recovery-from-google-panda-update-2011-07 |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | dexteronline | 11/07/27 20:56 | <このメッセージは削除されました。> |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | TheDonald | 11/07/28 10:37 | Dani, congrats on your recovery, you must be flying high, I know I would if I ever recover. There are lots of webmasters still stuck in Panda poop, as one of the very few survivor, you are one of the very few who can offer practical advice. Google sa |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/07/29 14:06 | Definitely sounds like that's what happened with me. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Lysis | 11/07/30 11:42 | I'm seeing you on quite a few searches at #2 Dani. Your site was always good aside from some poor English. Not meant as a jab, but maybe it had something to do with it. I always found the site helpful and aside from the "plz send the codes" people, I |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/07/30 14:26 | Nah - but Dani confirms what I've been saying all along. That there is a "checklist" You can have some items on the checklist - but when you have a certain amount OVER that amount - you get pandalized... Removing that one piece of straw that overba |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Atul_india1 | 11/07/30 20:45 | @Dani of DaniWeb - congrats on achieving the lost traffic again I will see ur video HOpe it helps all of us also as I m experiencing great loss for my site http://www.oceanofweb.com Although, it constant for http://www.techofweb.com Thanks A Lot Atul Bansal |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | TheDonald | 11/07/30 21:35 | Thank you Dani for taking the time to answer. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/08/01 0:53 | I have seen the data for several sites that recovered (partially or completely) from Panda downgrades. There have been very few publicly documented cases of Panda recoveries. The majority of recoveries are, in my experience, being shared privately. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | zihara | 11/08/08 7:18 | Since the first run of Panda I saw my traffic start a rise that finally doubled my volumes by the third week in July. Then came a plateau that continues still. A lot of my competitors had been Pandalized and continued searches have seen them slowly c |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/08/08 23:59 | Zihara - I think there was a time frame too - like a penalty box --- if you will - that if you didn't have everything that you were penalized for fixed - you stayed in another round - or were only allowed to poke your head out... I'm guessing this - |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | zihara | 11/08/09 6:17 | One good thing about this, Lyrical: some of us actually went ahead and started really cranking up our presentations, cleaning our messes and reorienting more towards our visitor experiences. That's ground we probably wouldn't have covered if Google h |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/08/09 10:37 | LMAO - that's probably true - and I have seen a TON of better work on a lot of sites lately. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/08/09 15:36 | Agreed that Panda forced us to reexamine things. My old philosophy was to not fix what wasn't broken. We were doing SOOO well with seo, I was just afraid to rock the boat. Panda forced me to fix a lot of the usability issues that I had wanted to work |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | zihara | 11/08/09 18:07 | I, too, hesitate to fix what isn't broken but I'm definitely addicted to tweaking what works. And we simply never know when the good engineers at Google might let the monster loose again, because those folks are definite tweakers, too... and they hav |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/08/11 13:18 | I am constantly tweaking. However, Panda afforded me the option to completely overhaul in a way that I otherwise would have been way too nervous to tackle. The feeling that it couldn't really get much worse was a sense of comfort in a twisted kind of |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | LyricalQuestion | 11/08/11 14:22 | +DANI --- ha ha ha ha --- I so want to PLUS one you.... |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | shukla_vikas | 11/09/04 9:25 | Looks like daniweb is down again. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/09/17 21:45 | What do you mean? Traffic has actually never been higher for us. We just had our two highest trafficked days ever. Once we recovered from Panda (which I can only assume was during some type of algorithm rollback, because from what I understand quite |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | zihara | 11/09/17 23:19 | I just spent a couple days at the GooglePlex. There was almost no attention paid to Panda by the Googlers at any time during the trip, and many of us asked several times. From what I've seen of the traffic curves, Panda threw folks into a sandbox for |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/09/30 6:58 | DaniWeb did, indeed, make a completely more than 110% recovery. We went from averaging 280-290K pageviews (every so often hitting 300K) pre-Panda, to consistently being at 370K post-Panda. However, we were hit again on Wednesday, September 28th, onc |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | zihara | 11/09/30 10:41 | I've been tracking traffic curves on a number of sites, all in different niches. When you overlay all the curves on each other and factor in the site content variations, nothing makes any sense. It's very much like Panda is a fish out of water, flapp |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | JimmyL01 | 11/09/30 10:48 | Moderators, please close this thread, it's really old and just way way too long. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Michael Martinez | 11/09/30 11:24 | So, Google DID confirm that it's a Panda iteration. http://www.webpronews.com/daniweb-panda-2011-09 |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Lysis | 11/09/30 11:32 | I think it would be helpful to move the conversation to the new thread Dani made, but I hesitate to be so intrusive on a long thread and close down a long thread. New thread if anyone wants to follow it: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Webmas |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Becky Sharpe | 11/09/30 11:38 | @ JimmyL01 - this is neither too long - check out its big brother http://goo.gl/bmCyx nor old. For those of us following it is an important and useful narrative. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | Dani of DaniWeb | 11/09/30 11:39 | I am going to continue to post status updates and document everything only in the new thread. I don't have the time to continue to maintain both threads. However, I feel like if those who participated in this thread want to continue their discussions |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | StevieD_Web | 11/09/30 11:45 | Thanks Lysis. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | technin | 12/08/28 2:40 | i want to know that republish (only half of article not full ) any other website's articles is fine or not ? doing this will have something to do to get fully de-indexed & penalized website or not ? and in doing this is their something to follow t |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | luzie | 12/08/28 2:53 | Open an own thread techn4alldotcom, DO NOT revive months old threads unrelated to your own issue. |
| Re: We lost over half our US traffic ... We're a discussion forum with an editorial side, 100% unique content | technin | 12/08/28 3:36 | thanks and i did that before but no replies till now please check this https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/webmasters/LhxCIKQaDjY/pkmtdhjEh34J |