| Potential future of Layout | Generi3 | 8/25/10 8:32 AM | To whom it may concern, I am an architect with 20-plus years professional experience, 17-plus using computer graphics / cadd systems. Several years ago I came across a program called Sketchup. At the time I was looking for a software program |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | John Bacus | 8/26/10 7:20 AM | Hi Generi3, I'm glad to hear you're having such success with SketchUp, and it sounds like you're starting to have some similar success with LayOut. We definitely designed it with an eye towards architectural graphic standards, and will continue with |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | Generi3 | 8/27/10 8:42 AM | I would like to discuss this over the phone. Can I call you when you are freed-up? If so, let me know when. The material I have goes well beyond adding features. There is nothing wrong with this, however I can provide perspective on where the arc |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | Generi3 | 10/18/10 12:58 PM | Hi John, Now that you are finished with 3D Basecamp can we talk? |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | yeoric | 10/24/10 1:51 AM | The one feature that I missed in Layout 2 and that is still missing in Layout 3 is page numbering, a very big disappointment for me. It is incredible that someone seems to think you could professionally use such a program without even basic page numb |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | Generi3 | 12/2/10 8:19 AM | Check out the work of this firm: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/sketchup/thread?tid=76a38b99516324d0&hl=en their work may change your mind about things. |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | paddyclown | 1/14/11 8:43 AM | euh, which firm ? the link seems to take me back here :-( |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | stevenmonrad | 1/14/11 9:48 AM | Sketchup is excellent. Layout is problematic. If it was not designed as a 2D drafting tool, what is it good for? Frankly, designing in Sketchup and then exporting to Powerpoint for all the labeling, sheet numbers, etc. produces a quicker, better lo |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | paddyclown | 3/1/11 5:39 AM | Seems the Google people are not very interested in Layout, otherwise it'd be much better & above all fast enough to be useable... it's a shame.. meantime we have to manually export views into other cad programs... hence a rather laborious workflow :- |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | synergydesign | 3/2/11 8:32 PM | I found this thread hoping that Layout was going to be the answer to my simple 2D architectural drafting needs. Like many others I have to import 2D floorplans and legends in .dwg , edit, create content, and output in .dwg or .pdf format. As a new us |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | Dudly | 3/4/11 7:58 AM | synergydesign: You will find it here: http://www.tritools.com/ |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | chinksim | 3/7/11 5:20 PM | Generi3 I'm a Sketch up and Layout "vet" of sorts that uses it exclusively for our kitchen and bath interior design business. I'd be happy to throw about ideas and solutions based upon my experience. While our work product is fairly simple in Archite |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | Generi3 | 3/8/11 8:07 AM | Thank you all for your continued input. For myself, I am convinced that there is a track developing in the Sketchup / Layout world that will directly compete and outperform the traditional Autocad Revit type product. Please keep writing and contri |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | Dudly | 3/9/11 11:12 AM | Generi3: Glad you still are here and are back to this discussion. I agree with your original post but I think that John and his team are doing a great job of improving/developing Layout. Look how far it has come in just the last couple of years. I |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | Generi3 | 3/10/11 6:31 PM | I agree with your comments, especially about keeping Layout simple but having an "apps" feature to it. It certianly shoud not go the way of Autocad. When you boil it down, architectural drawing and documentation are not extreemly sophisticated and |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | paddyclown | 3/12/11 6:57 AM | I agree with most of what has been said here recently... Having finally bought Pro (& so LO) I do not use the latter as it is SOOOOO slow that I would end up putting a brick through the screen or go back to smoking (which I gave up 14years ago)... U |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | ThunderMax7 | 3/23/11 7:18 AM | As an architect I was considering a change from AutoCAD/Revit to SU and Layout. Although SU is easy and quick the 2D capability of Layout is annoyingly limited and slow and therefor pointless. If Layout addresses this I will strongIy reconsider. I br |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | Generi3 | 3/23/11 10:00 AM | I would not want Layout to do any of the scaled drafting, only notation. I think this is a very important distinction. In other programs that have paperspace / modelspace type work areas (there are many), it is a problem when scaled drafting can ex |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | Gaieus | 3/23/11 11:03 PM | Hi ThunderMax7, As for 3 and 4 - if you group thos entities with the SU model, they are "locked" with it (unless I mis something here). As for 5 - you can already do that - although true that you need to explode the model (in vector or hybrid rende |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | Generi3 | 3/24/11 11:13 AM | You can "fake" hatches using the paint tool in sketchup. Simply create an image file of the desired "hatch" then use it as a material. It's not the ideal way to do this but it works quite well and the patterns are quite controlable using the scallin |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | Dudly | 3/26/11 8:29 AM | Generi3 Hi Your last few posts have have not addressed any of your original concerns with Layout. What about your original post and problem # 1) ? Is it working for you now? Have you found Layout 3 has solved your problems? I am most concerned abou |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | John Bacus | 3/28/11 8:54 AM | Hi guys, To improve rendering performance in LayOut, you should spend some time learning about the Rendering settings for SketchUp models. The link below leads to some good tips about managing LayOut's rendering performance. john. |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | Generi3 | 3/30/11 11:59 AM | I recently created a Layout template with the "Low" rendering performance setting for editing and "High" for output. This one change improves performance substantially... All is well, now. |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | PaulEvergreen | 3/31/11 7:42 AM | John, Your link doesn't seem to work. I've been reading the forums concerning Layout trying to discover why Layout is such a cumbersome and terrible program. And I cannot find any substantial explanation. Lots of banter, but no real substance. I cont |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | John Bacus | 4/1/11 2:05 PM | Hi Paul, LayOut really wasn't designed for doing heavy sets of construction documentation, and if you're trying to do that I can well imagine you're going to run into performance problems. As I've said earlier in this thread, LayOut wasn't really des |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | Lighthart | 4/1/11 6:30 PM | I only have about 5 minutes, but I see some interesting stuff here, and will check back later. First, my experience with SU is meager. Second, my experience with LO is even more meager. When I first heard about LO, I reached the conclusion that it wa |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | Gaieus | 4/3/11 1:18 AM | "...But I have to give it credit for becoming a useful - even robust - tool for preliminary design..." That's exactly what SketchUp is. A very quick - or if you wan to fully develop your idea, very robust - design tool. Not BIM, not CAD, not a compl |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | jallenaz | 4/5/11 8:14 PM | If you are still looking for a cad program that works with Sketchup try DataCAD. Go to http://www.datacad.com. You can download a demo version. It's really cheap right now. They are running a special until the end of the month. I've been using it for a |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | Generi3 | 4/6/11 1:15 PM | Thank you all for your geat feedback in this forum. I think at this point the duscussion is getting a little off-track. My basic concept is to use SK/LO exclusively (with exception of presentation rendering and similar specialty output) for the pur |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | PaulEvergreen | 5/2/11 2:28 PM | Hi John, Thanks for your comments. As you could probably tell, I was quite frustrated- there were deadlines to make and sometimes learning work arounds on the fly adds to the pressure. I shouldn't exaggerate: Layout isn't terrible. In fact, I've prod |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | ConanDuke | 5/5/11 12:07 PM | I am starting to detest LayOut. After spending the last 3-days unsuccessfully trying to put together some simple drawings in LayOut - I'm just about ready to put my head through computer the monitor. This is the most frustrating and unforgiving piec |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | Generi3 | 5/6/11 1:32 PM | I know this program can be frustrating but I think if you just need to get out of the "CAD" mindset and exercise a liitle paitence, it can pay off. The best advice I can give you is keep the rendering modes on Low for edit quality and High for outpu |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | Excession | 7/27/11 12:29 AM | I am finding Sketchup and Layout ok for construction drawings apart from 2 issues : Hatches - I have made my own and can pop them in a Scrapbook but wish there was a way to mask using a shape that doesnt then obscure the sketchup model view window ie |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | cletourneau | 1/18/12 6:59 PM | I am still confused at to why layout is so slow when moving from page to page and updating the model. Is there a fix coming up soon in version 4. This has to be fixed!!! |
| Re: Potential future of Layout | cletourneau | 4/12/12 9:58 PM | Hello John, I am having viewport corruption issues on certain pages. How shall I proceed to solve this issue. Much Appreciated, Chris LeTourneau |