|Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Paladin_JKC||12/10/11 4:49 AM|
Explain your issue in full detail here:
I want the ability to easily sort my email by sender, date, or subject. If you do not provide this feature soon I will drop Gmail and move on to another email provider that does provide this feature.
Please Also Include:
Operating system (e.g. WinXP): XP
Program and version you use to access Gmail (e.g. Internet Explorer 9 or Outlook 2003): IE8
Your antivirus software (e.g. Norton 2007):AVG
Any extensions, toolbars or plug-ins:
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Gouty - Top Contributor (Gmail & Chrome)||12/10/11 4:55 AM|
Who said we don't have the feature? Try the advance searching feature.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Paladin_JKC||12/10/11 5:07 AM|
I want a three separate buttons or equivalent at the top of the list of messages that I can click to sort by subject, date, or name. This is so much easier than trying to do an advanced search-give me a break.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Gouty - Top Contributor (Gmail & Chrome)||12/10/11 5:14 AM|
Well that is not possible in Gmail. And the advance searching technology is not that much tough.
Suppose you want to search a mail of a...@gmail.com or a mail which was arrived between 2/11/2011 to 3/11/2011 or a mail containing the subject name as School, then you have to follow these :
after:2011/11/02 before 2011/11/03subject:school
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||cynthia.schutte||1/6/12 2:58 AM|
I agree with Paladin_JKC. You don't always know what you are looking for and by selecting an option to arrange by: date/from/to helps. Obviously like in OUTLOOK where you have the "Arrange by" option on top of your messages. When you want to put your inbox or sent items in spesific folders on your right, you could easily do this if you can sort your mail and select all necessary emails regarding a certain person or subject at once. There is no option to do this with gmail. Even YAHOO has this option, right on top of your inbox or sent items, there is a from / subject / date option.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||klompje||1/21/12 1:08 AM|
The problem with searching instead of sorting for me is that it shows only 20 results.
I'm in the process of cleaning up my gmail and sorting by sender would speed things up considerably.
Now I have to go through about 5 times more pages to delete after I first established what to look for.
I've used filters, but I like to be able to check if it's not deleting too much.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||mommarhonda7||3/19/12 3:24 PM|
I agree. I need a mail program that has the buttons at the top of the columns to sort your mail. Why doesn't gmail have this?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||thienedits||4/29/12 8:47 PM|
Yep and what if you have thousands of messages because you never cleaned out your inbox. You would have to do multiple search for who knows how many senders and spam emails you get whereas with one click of a sort by sender you can group and categorize all those emails much quicker and allow you to choose which emails to delete. They need sort by sender, subject, file size, etc.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||megalosplayer||5/8/12 4:21 AM|
Give me a break. I want to sort by sender, date, subject at the top of my mail, like yahoo and hotmail. I dont understand why GMAIL can't do this. I'm not gonna remember who sent me email and if i don't remember i wont be able to sort by that name. And if you have lots of email GOOD LUCK trying to to sort. Google please fix this. So bloody annoying! This is the standard in every email program and Gmail can't get this right or even have this option. So much easier to sort your email by sender and subject at a click of a button.
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|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||DeaM1||5/19/12 11:10 AM|
I totally agree. For one of the most advanced email platforms around, I cannot believe that this option is not present.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||ccarots||6/9/12 10:18 AM|
I also agree, it is ludicrous you are not allowed to sort your email by anything you want. Subject, date, sender. The upgrades to gmail pushed out recently are horribly lacking in user consideration.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||trikotret||6/12/12 6:06 PM|
I really dont get hard is it for gmail to add the option of sorting out messages by name or date. I tried advanced search but it still missed emails. It would be a lot easier if gmail added the sort button feature. They finally added the option to remove conversion view and keep it. They should make the sorting feature an option too.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||SteveOhio||6/14/12 5:29 AM|
I agree, the more gmail updates the less user friendly it becomes. And I thought Yahoo was bad, guess you dont realize how good you got it till you try something else. The goal should be to achieve more with less clicks not more functions with additional menus and selections.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||rbussino||6/15/12 10:35 AM|
I don't find the advanced searching feature very helpful for the issue of sorting my mail.
I've noticed that Google is going the way of most big businesses that start out as being "all about the customer" and morph into being "all about the company and what the company wants" with the customer taking what the company doles out and liking it. The American auto industry lived by that mantra for decades. Gmail just doesn't seem to be very intuitive and user friendly like you would think it should be.
Like a Mac fanboy, I though that Google just did things better but that doesn't seem to be the case when objectively viewed. They're just into fattening their wallets which is fine as long as I get what I want out of their product but that doesn't seem to be happening.
I think I'll just go back to using Outlook and forget about trying to make gmail into something that the maker doesn't seem to want it to be. When the user numbers drop off and less people see their little spam-o-gram at the top of the mailbox then maybe, just maybe, they'll go back to giving the customer,us, what the customer wants.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||only.me||6/20/12 12:51 PM|
Could somebody from Google please explain WHY Google is so resistant to adding these features? Don't tell me about Advanced Search. I am the customer, and I am telling you that Advanced Search does not meet my needs. Don't try to tell me otherwise. Sorting and Advanced Search can coexist. WHY are you forcing us into a paradigm that does not work for many people? Is it some sort of ideological war with MS, where Gmail must not look anything like Outlook? Are you making a political point? It would be a major headache for me to switch to another mail client, but that is what is happening.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||6/20/12 1:13 PM|
By customer do you mean you are paying for GMail?
Do what thousands (perhaps millions) do and use a third party specifically for sorting (Thunderbird perhaps) and that way you have the best of both worlds.
Gmail is different. Always was and hopefully always will be. There is no difference to what you signed into when you first opened your account and approximately 350 million other users are happy with it so why would you want to spoil it for them.
The other email systems do not have a search system that works anything close to Gmail's search.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||rbussino||6/20/12 2:29 PM|
Am I paying for GMail? You bet I am! Everytime I get a targeted advertisement in my GMail then I'm paying for GMail. Just because GMail doesn't bill me outright doesn't mean I'm not paying for it. They collect data on me and target me with ads that they perceive to be relevant to me based on web surfing etc... but you already knew that.
To say that 350 million other users are happy with it is wrong. Wile it may be true that there are 350 million users that is not to say that they are all happy with it. I never even knew that this forum existed so can it be said that since I voiced no objection to the sorting format then I was happy with it? No since I stumbled upon it while trying to find a better way to do the sorting. One perhaps that I was ignorant to.
"The other email systems do not have a search system that works anything close to Gmail's search." No they do not and that is why I've ordered a copy of Outlook 2010. Will it be perfect? Probably not, but it will do what I need it to do with much less effort and better results than I'm getting with GMail.
So what's the point of all this? Google needs to be responsive to the demands of the customer(end user). I do realize that there are a good number of folks out there that will blindly follow Google, just like MAC fanboys, without questioning their great leader but I'm not one of them and am voicing a note of discontent with what GMail is offering in the area of mail sorting.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||p6.thompson||6/20/12 11:25 PM|
Great customer service: "Try the advance searching feature."
How about this: "Try figuring out why Google's proprietary email is infinitely less popular than just about everything else Google makes."
(Hint: it's in that first 'Try' quote thingy above. Or maybe that the gmail interface is about as useful as a two-headed nail.)
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||6/21/12 5:02 AM|
You really need to check before making statements. http://www.email-marketing-reports.com/metrics/email-statistics.htm
I am going to be very cheeky and paste two of the para's from the article here.
"The big three are Microsoft's Hotmail (now called Windows Live Hotmail), Yahoo! Mail and Gmail, together accounting for over 1 billion users.
For a long time, Hotmail led Yahoo, with Gmail a distant third. But recent numbers suggest Gmail has caught up with its two rivals."
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||only.me||6/29/12 7:04 AM|
No, I don't pay (money) for Gmail. Although, as rbussino notes, Google profits from my use of Gmail. And I am free to (at great inconvenience) take my business elsewhere.
However, Google has succeeded by providing free applications that are so useful and transparent that people come to depend on them. For the most part, they do this quite well.
Hence, my question really is a question, not a complaint. Given that their success has derived from putting the needs of the end-user first, I find this behavior inexplicable. Since it looks to me like they no longer adhere to the philosophy of giving priority to the end-user, the position they are taking must be strategic in some sense. (Or they are incompetent, which seems unlikely to me.) So, I would like to know the rationale. They don't *owe* me an explanation, but it would be nice if they provided one (a *real* one; not "Search is better.").
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||irvinm||6/29/12 9:21 AM|
Check this out - it isn't quite as easy as a sort button but it does the trick:
It is definitely helpful when trying to clean out old junk mail.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||froggy wife||7/7/12 10:22 AM|
Or just labels at the top of each column, which can be clicked on to sort by that feature!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||GrumpyOldBear||7/16/12 9:20 AM|
Rules of good business
RULE 1 THE CUSTOMER COMES FIRST
RULE 2 THE CUSTOMER COMES FIRST
RULE 3 THE CUSTOMER COMES FIRST
UNLESS YOU AR GOOGLE IT SEEMS
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ironsides||7/16/12 10:15 AM|
Add me to the list of dissatisfied users. I recently started using GMail after years of using other email systems (Yahoo, Outlook, Hotmail) and find the GMail interface lacking in the basic functionality of being able to sort messages. It seems such a simple request.... I will probably swiitch back to another system.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||flowerjade||7/16/12 7:00 PM|
I believe millions of us want to sort, plus search!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Flibberdigibbit1||7/20/12 12:57 AM|
Most excellent reply, p6.thompson. I too am sick and tired of Google resorting to fall-back, so-called "customer service" boiler plate answers to true customer concerns. And we are not talking about "random," "crazy" gripes from a few government conspiracy theorists locked up in their Grandmother's basement, we are talking about hundreds and thousands of people (and soon to be former Google users)! And yet - these concerns are either shuffled off or utterly IGNORED. For further refernce, one need look no further than the Google/YouTube debacle. How many thousands of unhappy, disgruntles, frantic and thoroughly unsatisfied YouTube subscribers did THAT mess leave in its wake? ALL because Google hid under a rock instead of giving half a sh*t about the fall-out. Anyway....I agree with what you said and the eloquence with which you said it. Gmail - get your act together!! you are LOSING!!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Flibberdigibbit1||7/20/12 12:58 AM|
Most excellent reply, p6.thompson. I, too am sick and tired of Google resorting to fall-back, so-called "customer service" boiler plate answers to true customer concerns. And we are not talking about "random," "crazy" gripes from a few government conspiracy theorists locked up in their Grandmother's basement, we are talking about hundreds and thousands of people (and soon to be former Google users)! And yet - these concerns are either shuffled off or utterly IGNORED. For further examples, one need look no further than the Google/YouTube debacle. How many thousands of unhappy, disgruntled, frantic and thoroughly unsatisfied YouTube subscribers did THAT mess leave in its wake? ALL because Google hid under a rock instead of giving half a sh*t about the fall-out. Anyway....I agree with what you said and the eloquence with which you said it. Gmail - get your act together!! You are LOSING!!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Flibberdigibbit1||7/20/12 1:00 AM|
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||wiggin1202||7/22/12 7:23 AM|
EXACTLY RIGHT ON! THIS is an ACIENT
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||wiggin1202||7/22/12 7:25 AM|
EXACTLY - THIS IS AN ANCIENT feature! I had it 15 years ago - Google employees are too young to remember the AMAZING OUTLOOK MAIL. Also when did "you've got mail/new mail sounds" (l995--become a big program-desktop-TOOLBAR-activate-download!!! No wonder people hang themselves. :D
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||7/22/12 8:51 AM|
Cannot understand why you were posting when the Tour was on but that's your choice.
Outlook is not and has never been (that I know of) been an emails system. It is a third party app which you can still use to access almost any email system through. It still does the same job in the same way.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||brookec||8/4/12 1:58 PM|
I AGREE too. It is not that difficult to listen to Gmail users who are saying we would appreciate the option to organize our emails by date... or sender... or subject or or ... OPTIONS are important to Gmail Users.Other mail services offer this so we would appreciate it. Look forward to being heard!!!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||8/4/12 3:45 PM|
It actually is there by using a third part such as Outlook or Thunderbird but I did try to explain why I prefer Gmail as it isin https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/gmail/rbpJIPKpsY0/zepQDMcbYggJ
Peculiar thing is the other email systems (Hotmail I have been informed is one) are actually trying to copy Gmail's search.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||cwbysatx||8/4/12 4:11 PM|
Google email has suddenly become the most user un-friendly mail server there is! Instead of my new mail showing up on top I have to open "all mail" to find my recent email. Google has screwed this up so bad, I am giving up and going to yahoo or hotmail which works properly. You cannot even communicate with google or gmail; just this group guess chat - it sucks and google has just lost my support for everything for not even being accessible to answer what happened to the way mail was sorted a week ago! It is impossible to find "contact us" for an answer as to what the hell they changed or why!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||8/4/12 6:20 PM|
Do you mean you do not see your Inbox when you open Gmail? Yours is the first report of this so would it be possible to explain in more detail, this would help us help others who may have the same problem.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Gugawn||8/6/12 8:07 AM|
it beggars belief that google cannot or will not offer a sort feature
and don't fall in the old trap of looking at stats without looking at causality
i only have a gmail account because i have an android phone (ie I don't use it except as my "semi junk mail" folder)
which gets me on to something else - the way gmail assumes that mail is only for social purposes and you know everyone in your contacts folder by their first name... but maybe that is a htc problem.. still I cannot synch my phone contacts with gmail contacts without screwing it up
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||trikotret||8/10/12 7:23 PM|
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||brucehibbert||8/12/12 7:48 PM|
Add me to the list! I want to be able to SORT by columns, i.e. sender, subject, title, or date.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||kfinnn||8/22/12 3:13 PM|
NO - not search. I don't want to search, I want to SORT by clicking on column headers. I want to be able to click once for ascending and again for descending, just like every other email program out there. Judging from the large numbers replying to this issue who are in agreement, Google may want to reconsider adding this feature. There may be a good reason this is a standard feature in all other email programs... WE NEED IT.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||kfinnn||8/22/12 3:22 PM|
Now, after reading all the posts I see that Google just wants to do it their way and seem to have no clue about customer service.
That's fine. I also have the option to not use Google's products. Best way to state your opinion. Bye GMail, Google+, and whatever else you insist on doing your way.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||leeman90210||9/3/12 8:59 AM|
I was with Exchange, switched the whole (small) office to the paid version of enterprise google apps: calendar, contacts, drive, gmail etc. loved it at first but one common complaint with the staff, no sort function for email. Then the conversation mode in gmail started rubbing people the wrong way, they said they were missing, and not seeing, too many emails (conversations go up, they go down, next they'll go side to side). By the end everyone had turned off conversation mode, then we all started double answering emails we were all copied on (no sorting by conversation to see the last response). Last straw was when we found out google was releasing our (custom domain) email addresses to anyone we downloaded apps from on the android. Now leaving google (sniff...) looking for a better life, how I wish you'd been the one for me google...
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||dwtees||9/3/12 4:28 PM|
The absence of a sort feature is a serious fault in an otherwise high quality email system. Not having this is a disservice to your email community. Suggest you correct this fault rather than continuing to invest time and money in "so-called" innovative products.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Vanessa Shaver||9/25/12 10:04 AM|
So... I search and then I want to move into a folder, but the only option is "Inbox" Honestly, this is infuriating, because even if you use the advanced search feature as you have suggested, it does not allow you to organize your inbox. I have over 15k messages... are you suggesting that I go through every one by hand in order to organize my inbox instead of being able to group and file them in a way that actually makes sense?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||TechnoThoughts||10/9/12 8:41 PM|
Outlook can do it - How does Google step up to match this feature?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||kalyan ratakonda||10/11/12 8:34 AM|
Totally agree. I gave the same problem nd very much frustrated... Google has become so much complicated that its forgetting the basic needs of an end user.
may be taking us for granted. :-()
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||laliedog||10/18/12 5:48 PM|
I totally agree. Why not give your 'Fans of Gmail' this feature? It does not make any sense. Even my antiquated work email allows me to sort alphabetically, by date, by subject, by sender. C'mon Google. This feature is way more important to us than you changing your artwork on a daily basis. Give your techs something important and worthwhile to do. PLEASE
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||only.me||10/20/12 1:02 PM|
I have switched to Outlook.com (formerly Hotmail). It has both search and sort. It is not perfect by any means, but I think it is a step up from Gmail.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||trikotret||10/21/12 4:03 PM|
I also switched to outlook.com. Its great and has these features. No need to waste time searching for an email
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Cyberheater||11/1/12 8:52 AM|
All this while I thought it was just me - incompetent, and unable to find the SORT function that SURELY must exist in GMail! Thank you, forum, for restoring a little bit of my self-esteem.
As for Google, are you guys for real? Are you seriously questioning your customers' (yes, CUSTOMERS!) need for a sort function? Did someone poison the drinking water at Google with idiot serum? The question isn't really IF you (Google) are going to offer a sort function for GMail - it is really WHEN and after how much brain damage! But that is not going to be my problem. Gotta go now. Have to check out Outlook.com. And once again, thanks, forum!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||merlinskis||11/8/12 2:41 PM|
I fully agree if you do not provide some way yo sort emails by sender, date, subject ecept i am dropping Gmail this is unacceptable.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Kimmerdan||11/9/12 6:38 AM|
Seriously? Sorting by a header is just about the most basic function one can ask for in an email application. Google, get your act together! I, too, will dump Google if this feature is not added very soon!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||D16842||11/9/12 4:15 PM|
Only.me, why would it be a major headache to switch to another client? Like many out there. I too migrated from from Outlook to GMail. But after a year of putting up with a myriad of missing features and functions, I switched back. Without question I am quite happy to be rid of GMail's shortcomings. The conversion was quite easy, including importing all of the history, saved messages, etc. In retrospect, I can't imagine why I waited so long.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Nanny2six||11/12/12 11:21 AM|
Windows 7, Gmail - email. Norton latest version Internet Explorer 9
Any other email program I have used I have been able to click above the top of the column - whether that was alphabetize by date, name, subject and it would be done in the blink of an eye. I have searched everywhey and cannot find the answer. I am finding windows 7 much more complicated also than xp. xp was so simple. Also so far do not like the changes in Int Exp 9. Life was much simpler before. Why fix something that is not broken.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Lamidjan||11/13/12 9:13 PM|
yup yup -WHY WHY sort bottommmmmmssss is very very very important
just like u have computer and there is
no " EXIT " bottom. ( hey just end task at task maneger) hahahhahahahah
or SHUTDOWN ( hey just plug off the computer power ) hahahah more more creative
very - very stupid and not productive lay suit at US the great nation.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||thedavegray||11/17/12 1:55 AM|
This really is not a solution. It seems Google are quite arrogant about stuff like this, we don't need it in the googleplex so you mortals don't either. Sorry to say this but Google are becoming like that well known company who are named after a fruit.
I downloaded Windows Live email and connected my gmail, now I can sort emails as I choose.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Joesponder||11/18/12 6:40 AM|
I agree with all comments. Many times I have wanted to sort my messages for various needs. I miss that outlook feature and will be switching out very soon.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||gmailschool||11/19/12 7:51 PM|
conclusion - use gmail as storage mail ONLY
and use another YAHOO apps to access it.
where is the "Google Develop Team" answer ?
WOW that is briliant ide for develop gmail.
Just wondering .. what is the problem ?
1. licensed patent problem or
we just move from our mail server (schools) - to google mail (about 5000 - 6000 user) and there is very important complain "this is google mail ? why you move it to this mail server why not use Y****hoo "
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Skorpytoo||11/20/12 6:55 PM|
Well, there you have it, straight from Mr. Elder Adviser himself - we don't pay; Gmail makes no money off us; so go somewhere else if you don't like it ! I'm not using Gmail because it's free. I needed another email service after changing internet service provider, and thought, since Google search has always seemed customer conscious, that Gmail would be likewise. Obviously a mistake...... they don't care if you can't sort your email - they have search that's the envy of all !
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||ccoffey3131||11/21/12 7:48 PM|
I guess we all know what the C stands for now!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The Voice Of Wisdom||11/22/12 6:00 AM|
Wow, Google hipsters refuse to add essential features to their software.
"We tested Gmail ourselves, Bob sent a message to Jane, Jack sent a message to Jane, so Jane had two messages. Why would you need to sort two messages?"
Rent a brain.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The Voice Of Wisdom||11/22/12 6:03 AM|
Wow, google hipsters refuse to add essential features to their software.What's new?
"We tested Gmail ourselves. It's perfect. See, Bob and Jack each sent a message to Jane, so she has two messages. And who needs to sort two messages?"
Rent a brain.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||gmailschool||11/22/12 9:25 PM|
sorry ur fren only 3 people in the world (ohhhh.... my god )
people work on email - or world of IT actualy receive 100 - 200 mail EVERY DAY mybe more.
just think how many facebooks email ur receive every day/week.
advertise will increase - and more expensive
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||gmailschool||11/22/12 9:36 PM|
and one thing .
google partners come to our shcoools to offerring for free . WOW
ahh not WOW , because it is bussines i support u and u supoort us.
even "demo program " or open source program. Actualy YOU pay them for using it.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||gmailschool||11/22/12 9:44 PM|
remember virus for apple
million of apple computer / laptop infected.
the virus just open web site and user force to click them.
littery google pay for the virus maker god money right. ? (how that that stupid)
NO im sure google block that account - google is smart, that just internet bussines is MONEY.
this is just sample how to make money.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||AlexMensing||11/23/12 2:32 PM|
This one little feature that used to be so easy is gone.
I can't sort my mail.
Sadly, this is going to be the reason for me changing from gmail to something else.
Sorting mail is a very basic function.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Al1971||11/26/12 5:46 AM|
You should create buttons instead of expecting people to type in something. It's far more easier and it doesn't need explaining.
Typing in code is like MS-DOS, destined to die in favor of easier windows.
Google: Wake Up.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Leonard Cremer||11/26/12 6:42 AM|
I cannot believe that this thread has been going on for so long and no one from Google is responding ;(
The is basic email functionality and one of the things that one really needs...
I started moving from Outlook but I am now seriously considering moving back as I am struggling to do basic stuff like order by subject...
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||thedavegray||11/26/12 8:27 AM|
Is it possible to filter out replies from certain users, such as "gmailschool"
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Steven Matherne||11/28/12 8:37 PM|
It shows, thedavegray, that this issue is having an affect on people of all levels. I never chime in on blogs, but this has been bugging me from day one and to ignore the tip of the iceburg (this thread) may backfire on Google. Gee, what would happen if some programer comes up with mail service with features people want and use? And offer it for "free"? Hmm.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Al1971||11/29/12 5:44 AM|
Try Outlook.com. I just transferred over. The only good thing about gmail is the search level once you get the hang of the code. But it's really really prehistoric and you better be a good typist. Too much work for too little time...thanks Steve.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Kaisra Osman||11/29/12 11:36 AM|
At first I thought it was just me that could not figure out how to sort mail by name, date, read, unread etc. I just did not have time to search for a solution. Finally after alot of pain and waste of my valuable time, I decided I would figure out once and for all. Alas! nothing! Way back when, this feature was available in Google.. so what happened? Why was it removed? I cannot believe that it is not possible or doable, and I cannot believe that it requires a high level of investemnt... so why the hesitation?
Your current customers may not have complained but perhaps because, like me, they do not have the time to figure out that the feature is not available. Imagine how happy they would be if you added this feature. Its not about the millions that have not complained, its about the millions that you can make happy with a simple feature that perhaps may secure their loyalty for the future. Who knows when another "Google" type company may be launched... these millions can leave you in a flash... so keep them happy, give them whatever makes their lives easier and they will be yours forever.
Remember, the success of Google depends on its patrons... without them, no business will want to advertise on your site, email or pay you for your engine services if you have no patrons.
So if you are reading this, which I hope you have the business sense to want to know what your customers are thinking, please provide this feature. It will save us a lot of time which can be better spent visiting your advertisers and securing their business with you.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||CldSmk||12/5/12 10:13 AM|
You can sort by sender on many other mail programs and some people actually use this feature. You can criticize them all you want and tell them that they are "doing it wrong", but it doesn't change the fact that some people need/want/would like to be able to do this.
Too not be able to do this is so asinine that I'm actually thinking there is a reason why they don't want us to be able to do this. It is soooo much faster to be able to wipe out massive amounts of garbage from your inbox.No creating a filter for each sender is NOT efficient! The best way I have found to do it is to us the mail program on my Mac - perhaps the cone heads at Google could make a visit down to Cupertino and see what's going on?
Gmail is by far the suckiest mail application available, but seems to match the attitude at Google - "We know what's right, so shut up."
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Jay Crawford||12/5/12 2:36 PM|
As many others have said, we don't want a search tool to do what Outlook and other mail programs have being doing for over a decade. All we want is the ability to sort our mail. Other than to say "this feature is not available on Gmail", what does Google say to this?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||John Winton||12/6/12 2:42 AM|
Why should Google care about what customers think? Their shareholders are happy. Clearly a sort facility is not important to them only to customers!!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Sue Rooney||12/6/12 9:33 AM|
I agree, gmail needs to have the ability to sort by sender, date, and subject!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||CldSmk||12/6/12 12:33 PM|
What really boggles my mind is that one of the basic functions of a computer is the ability to sort data and put it in some kind of order. Google seems to get "date order", but not much else.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Joe Tuszynski||12/6/12 7:26 PM|
sme here. Tha tis one of the easiest ways to manage email.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||thedavegray||12/7/12 12:44 AM|
Thing is, once people realise how easy it is to use Thunderbird or Windows Live clients to view/manage their Gmail they may well start doing so. Bonus is that then you don't have to look at the adverts Google kindly place on the right of the browser - People who pay Google to advertise might no be best pleased though.
Come on Google, the ability to sort email is so basic I can't believe you are ignoring it.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Lynn Sloan||12/7/12 8:01 AM|
I just really realized that I could not sort in gmail. This is most helpful when you need to clean out your inbox. It would seem that since outlook has had this feature forever that google would figure it out. Is anybody listening?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Zen Man||12/7/12 10:48 AM|
Yes GMAIL designers,
Please allow us to sort by Sender, Date and Subject.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||rich44||12/9/12 4:31 PM|
S O R T..............................
Is that word being blocked at Google?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||gmailschool||12/9/12 5:39 PM|
this "product forum" but i thing there is no one google in here. just like usualy "forum" hahah
the best way to get ittention just let the "shareholder know about this "
ia m 100 % sure after they know about this = boomm 1 week leters gmail become "butterfly"
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Nanny2six||12/10/12 9:40 AM|
I agree and would suggest that we all could send a message on the same day to twitter and/or facebook with this problem. I bet this would multiply by thousands in no time. It may not make them budge but what fun we can have with causing possible heartburn. And the shareholders may just see it there as well.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Al Fisher||12/11/12 6:18 AM|
The link doesn't work.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||dutch jamaican||12/11/12 6:30 AM|
I agree, please add the sort feature to gmail.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||CJM313||12/12/12 6:58 AM|
Yes, just copied my inbox from bluebottle.com to Gmail for space reasons. Big mistake! Can't believe there's no proper sort facility! Worse, sincs I misunderstoodle the option to "Leave copy on server" (Which server? I assumed it referred to the Google server after I'd downloaded the inbox. Maybe ask "leave copy on old email provider server?"), I now don't have a sortable backup left on Bluebottle.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||CldSmk||12/12/12 1:00 PM|
Finding the Firefox Thunderbird recommendation to be a good work-around....oh the irony.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Tammy J Rizzo||12/14/12 9:58 AM|
On Saturday, December 10, 2011 7:14:35 AM UTC-6, Gouty - TC Gмαιℓ & Cнroмє Rιsιng Stαr wrote:
> Well that is not possible in Gmail. And the advance searching technology is not that much tough.
That is ridiculous. I can NOT believe that sorting email is not possible for Google. Every other webmail provider I've looked at offers the ability to sort the messages by sender, or date, or subject, and either ascending OR descending, and actually on their webmail interface. Every third-party email client out there provides this most basic of functions on their desktop interface, WITHOUT subjecting their users to ads on every screen. Insisting that sorting is not possible because you're super-special somehow is NOT doing yourselves or your advertising partners any favors. You're stuck in the stone-age, and your advertising partners are not getting any revenue from your patrons having to use third-party clients to be able to sort their emails, rather than using your webmail interface.
Come on, Google - get with the program! You offer one of the best webmail deals out there (ginormous storage capacity, great integration with calendar and drive and all that, great spam filtering), but your refusal to allow us to sort on your web interface is outright stupidity. To say we don't need to sort because we can 'easily' type in strings of complicated coding in order to do the same thing (but only for 25 messages at a time, and only if we know what we're looking for) is the height of arrogance, bordering on hubris. Do yourselves and your advertising partners a HUGE favor, and keep your patrons happy so we'll stay with you and actually see the ads your advertising partners are paying you to present to us; don't force us to jump ship or abuse your services by using third-party clients who don't pass on your ads, just to get a most basic function that EVERYONE ELSE has somehow managed to figure out how to offer.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Nicholas Vanaria||12/14/12 5:33 PM|
From what I can see, the programmers at Google just aren't intelligent enough to figure out how to actually get their program to sort by date without screwing up other things. And for THAT SOLE REASON, Yahoo will always be a far superior e-mail application.
It's just that simple.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Skorpytoo||12/15/12 8:59 AM|
Until Google decides to address the problem:
"..blast them away quickly using the "emails" button. But couldn't Google have called it sort email, or see all emails?"
Here's a help page to sort gmail by sender name:
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||raysurx2010||12/16/12 7:04 PM|
Add me to the list! Very dissatisfied with Gmail! Why do they make it so cumbersome!
I think I'm going back to yahoo! Sorry! Gmail support doesn't give a crap!
I guess they don't understand the rule of good busines that has been explained above to them!
Millions want the changes....but no one is listening a Goober Mail....!
Maybe when we all leave....they will listen, but don't hold your breath!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Tom VanderWeele||12/18/12 7:23 AM|
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||katyannebc||12/18/12 3:44 PM|
I just went through this thread hoping that google customer service had listened to people and addressed the problem being discussed here. Unfortunately, but predictably they have not...I have 19,0000 emails in my Gmail, which just keeps accummulating and accumulating because I cannot be bothered using their cumbersome and totally inadequate filter system and advanced search. Why can't they at least have a "Select all" feature that actually selects ALL of the results of a search! Then I could use what they have to offer. But going through page after page of email and deleting each bunch separately is annoying as hell.
I am just going to walk away from this inbox altogether, I think and let Gmail delete it all when I reach my ten billion piece quota. I'll tell the people I want to hear from my new address and start over with a mail service that cares what I think.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||thedavegray||12/19/12 2:53 AM|
Download Mozilla Thunderbird and set it up with your gmail account - takes two mins. You can then sort to your hearts content.
Wonder if there was a Facebook page about this problem that Google would then listen?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||GM100||12/19/12 11:22 AM|
Isn't the "sorting" capability a basic function that all emails software should have to begin with? Going through "Advanced Search"? Why make things so complicated and not user friendly?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||gmailschool||12/19/12 3:46 PM|
just make it FAIR for the "google development team" and for others
Can some one familiar with facebook CREAT facebook and let see how many people
agree/like to gmail have "basic function email"
or dislike = "gmail no need have basic function email"
don't forget to post link of facebook to as many people in the world
and let's the "STEAKHOLDER" at the stock market know about this.
==* position price
Google IncNASDAQ: GOOG - Dec 19 6:06pm ET
best regards for GMAIL TEAM
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|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j. ax||12/20/12 6:17 PM|
Thanks Skorpytoo, this is the closest thing to being helpful that I have found. It is amazing that google can't figure this out.
thank you again.
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|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j. ax||12/20/12 6:25 PM|
to Skorpytoo , thank you
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||gmailschool||12/21/12 12:04 AM|
i am sorry to all u who have stock in google.inc
i know my way is 100% right to get intention from development team
remember went youtube crash just 1 hour == google claim lose $ 28 B . ( not million wowwww )
and instalnly all development team google get work with it. hahahhaha
i LOVE google, but i hate arogancy from stupid people who kill google slowly
so i comment this to stop what ever you are who betray google from inside.
soryy to all . i will stop comment again.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||thedavegray||12/21/12 12:58 AM|
Agreed. I wish you could ignore users and then he would be top of the list.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||mailsorting||12/21/12 12:24 PM|
I couldn't agree more. Sorting mail in Gmail is really clunky.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||ShawnL72||12/21/12 11:32 PM|
Gmail has caught up? I know you just quoted that, but I reply because Gmail didn't really catch up to anything for any desire for Gmail itself. Android devices with Google Play require you to setup a Gmail account. Therefore, any numbers representing Gmail accounts are fictitious in the reality that they started the account because the wanted Gmail.
Just felt inclined to point that out to anyone who cares. I know many people that have started a Gmail account only for the requirement of their Android device and NEVER use the Gmail account itself.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Tiffany Few||12/26/12 6:33 AM|
In the last year, I needed to establish a private work/personal email and choose Gmail purely because of their reputation.
I thought I was going get online and find that I was just looking on the wrong place for this feature. There is also some sort of auto-nestle function where only the most recent email sent under one subject is visible. When I open my inbox, I want to see all new messages...even if several people responded to one email. I have been burned a couple times on that one. I am bummed and will find another provider as well.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Judi Orell||12/27/12 9:29 AM|
The advanced search is not what I need. I use this account for a lot of vendor notifications, coupons, etc., and need the ability to sort by sender. This is one of the things holding me back from changing our household email to the gmail account. Even Hotmail has this feature.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Aric Agmon||12/30/12 3:00 PM|
I cannot agree more with all previous posters - sorting mail by date, subject, sender and/or receiver is a very basic feature that needs to be in any mail program, and is indeed found in most any mail program, with Gmail being a glaring exception. Do you need users to sign a petition before you implement this? Let me know how many signatorees will satisfy you and I will circulate a petition.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Tiffany Jimenez||12/30/12 5:53 PM|
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||JAYNES1967||12/30/12 6:47 PM|
Thank you so much for the video. It's going to be so much easier to clean out my inbox now!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||JAYNES1967||12/30/12 6:49 PM|
Thank you so much for the video and instructions on how to sort gmail by sender. It's going to be so much easier to clean out my inbox now!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||merlinskis||12/31/12 2:10 PM|
You are so right. Emails from the very beginning have had this feature. I will give Gmail till April to add this feature and then it is good bye they act like they are the only game in town.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Jerrac||1/1/13 6:34 AM|
Being able to sort all messages in your inbox, or in a label, by subject, sender, etc, is a useful feature. There's good reason for nearly every other email program out there having that feature.
Advanced Search is inadequet.
Yes, I can use Thunderbird, but I shouldn't have to. Why would Google want me to anyway? After all, I only see their ads when using the Gmail interface.
As others have noted, we do pay for Gmail with the data Google collects on us, and the ads we see and click. If Gmail didn't help make them money, they would not offer it.
If Google can't offer a normal version of the feature, they could at least add a "groupby:" option to the advanced search. Then I could say "groupby: subject" and all my messages would be grouped by subject. Or maybe "sortby:" would work better.
To others posting, all the insults are not productive. So stop, just write a quick post saying you think the feature is needed.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Al1971||1/1/13 1:04 PM|
Hello? Is this Google? May I speak to Customer Service please?
Hi, Google customer service, how may I help you?
Hi, my name is Ali. I think you should be able to sort email.
Really? I don't think so.
OK then good bye.
Goodbye. Thanks for using Google - by the way: Search On.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Geert Vink||1/2/13 2:56 AM|
Yes, we (a bussiness) pay, thousands a year for advertisement and email. How about putting all the free advises of youre customers into the application. The "as is" statement goes for "freeware", not for paying customers.. All the negative energie/time of this thread and others could be used for it.
If Gmail is just a back end, fine then just say so. We'll start using a different front end/GUI
identity vs image (crisis?)
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Terra Saylor||1/3/13 11:30 AM|
Fast forward to 2013 - yet another person looking for a sort. Is this really 2013 and gmail doesn't have a way to sort messages? I find this.... just unbelievable, but there it is! Will be switching back to live mail. Between "labels" and this, the experience is just not what I am looking for in a mail client. Things that aren't broken should not be fixed (or omitted!).
Good luck, Google.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||WaikUpNSmellThaKawphy||1/4/13 10:28 PM|
Just because "1 billion people" use it, doesn't mean they are happy with it!
Since when does popularity = truth???
If that were the case, we'd all still believe that the earth was FLAT. doh!
The usage is high because it's one of the FEW OPTIONS that people have, aside from shelling out $$$ for proprietary e-mail clients.
Man, do YOU need an edjumakashun!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||google-google-google...why-so-arrogant?||1/5/13 8:44 AM|
Dude, have you studied business management?
Or at least, know anything about business?
Don't say only those who pay are your customers. It's pretty dumb. Just my 2 cents. ^_~
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||abitfrustrated1||1/5/13 5:28 PM|
Can you simply make this type of feature an option or user preference for those of us that want to see the subject and date for sorting? I understand the idea is to be "different" but this is more like being difficult. This issue should be addressed with your internal management but if all involved think Facebook will help then get it done.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||John Friday||1/8/13 8:04 AM|
Could this be because you are forced to get a gmail account when you get an Android phone? Oh so they are bulking up numbers because of one OS, while people do not realistically like the actual gmail product as much as other email clients. Gmail has grown based on two concepts, unlimited and Android. If making a change that would not hurt people who currently like the system, but would make a very large amount of people happy is too hard, then it shows that Google really is not following its mantra of do no evil.
For the record, I do not pay for Thunderbird, Yahoo, Hotmail, YET Outlook which many people are charged for is still number one? Could it be that they have built an email client that the public and businesses like?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||1/8/13 8:21 AM|
Would you please explain which Outlook you are referring to? Is this the 3rd party computer based app which you use to access Gmail and lesser email services or the new Windows Outlook email service which resembles Hotmail and Microsoft would like to force down it's users throats?
If people do not like the Gmail as much as other email clients why is it now at the top of the heap with 450 plus million users?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Terra Saylor||1/8/13 8:40 AM|
Why are you so defensive? People are asking for a simple sort feature. That's all. There's no need to get all torch and pitchfork over it. Simple features that have been around since we decided to INVENT computers for menial tasks like sorting. Good gravy, you'd thing someone kicked your dog with that kind of reaction.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||thedavegray||1/8/13 8:52 AM|
The C Man... Do you work for Google?
It should not be too much to ask that gmail sorts emails like every other email program.
Maybe a Facebook page might make google sit up and listen,
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||1/8/13 9:03 AM|
If I wanted Sort incorporated into an email account I would use another email service. If I needed Sort I would use Thunderbird as I backup all emails for safety. So far I have never needed to do anything I cannot do better using Search. Emails are actually sorted in alphabetical order by using Contacts and clicking on the name which brings up a card (same as the one you get from your Chat column) and clicking on Emails finds all the posts to and from and take a look at the top line that comes up and it supplies a lot more than just emails.
The amazing thing is every time somebody says something cannot be done I take a look and find it actually can be such as the alphabetical sort which I found while I was typing this.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||1/8/13 9:07 AM|
I don't work for Google. If Gmail was the same as every other email program I would look for something different. If you are in this forum it proves you use Gmail so Google cannot be getting it that wrong or you would be using another provider.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Terra Saylor||1/8/13 9:30 AM|
All that being in this forum (and this thread in particular) proves is that folks are looking for a feature they want in the program. I, like many others, simply thought it was something I was overlooking. I mean, gosh, it never occured to me that I wouldn't be able to just click a heading and sort by it! I've been doing that since my first hotmail account well over a decade ago. Google is so advanced! They are top dog! Of COURSE they have such a simple feature! I am just not used to their system and need to educate myself on where to find it!
Alas, it just doesn't exist. Folks are coming here in a last-ditch effort to get it implemented before we DO switch providers. In my case, I switched from live mail to gmail some time ago because I originally thought that gmail would be more feature-rich and intergrate better into my life. But over time, it's been less and less convenient and I have found that I need to use more and more third party programs to manage things instead of just using the web interface. If no solution is forthcoming, then yes, I most certainly will be returning to Microsoft's live mail and you can pat yourself on the back for being so superior for using a three click search instead of a one click sort.
If you don't see the value in adding a sort function, fine. Enjoy your featureless email. The rest of us know how easy it is to write a sql query to sort a database and would like for google to add it.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Skorpytoo||1/8/13 10:28 AM|
Amen, Terra Saylor. This guy sounds like he's all of 14 years old....... absolutely no sense of customer relations, and probably no more computer knowledge than you or I. If he is, indeed, an appointed representative of Google, they need to replace him asap.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||1/8/13 2:12 PM|
77 years old with a brain that still functions and from what I have seen of 14 year old kids they would find their way around Gmail without a problem without needing sort.
I think that giving users a way of using something is pretty good customer relations.
I'm surprised you did not check my Profile and check my age. To fill in the blanks I have Certificates in all Windows Office programs and little else except the ability to draw on the knowledge of three sons who code and de-code programs and who do call me in from time to time to see if I can spot a way of doing something they have missed.
I'll ask again why does Gmail have to be the same as others?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Skorpytoo||1/8/13 2:24 PM|
Thanks, C-Man. But you still don't get it.............it's not about you.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||John Friday||1/8/13 2:32 PM|
This has been explained to you. ANDROID PHONES. Gmail is nothing without it.
I guess doing what MOST of the people on here would like as a feature is too much for Google apologists. Fine. I will continue to use gmail for what it is, a back up email for items that are of low importance to me. My company will not use it as a serious email client, my personal important items will not be used in it. I will stick to one that allows easy filing and sorting. But stick to your talking points. It shows what happens to OLD worn out companies that have regard for their customers. THEY DIE OFF
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Fuzzy||1/8/13 4:01 PM|
Not quite. Google Play requires a Google account. A Gmail account can be created with the same name, but is not required.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||1/8/13 6:09 PM|
To add to Fuzzy's response when you start an Android phone you can skip setting up an email and then use a Google account to log into Play. This allows you to add apps and becomes the master account for the phone as it is the first one logged into.. Now you can add whatever email accounts you want and this can be set to sync Calendars and Contacts.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Terra Saylor||1/9/13 5:46 AM|
Well C Man, it's not about being the same, or different, or anything at all! It's about convenience and what the customers are asking for. There is a basic level of functionality that is expected of an email program. It's expected to be able to send and receive messages. It's expected to be able to categorize them according to what the user prefers (and don't get me started on all this "labels" nonsense. That's a separate issue and why on earth it had to be so hard to figure out how to create simple folders to put like messages in is beyond me). Finally, it's expected to have basic sorting features, like any other database. If it wasn't expected by at least some of us, I wouldn't have gotten so many hits when I did a web search for "how to sort gmail".
Different isn't always better, especially when it has fewer functional options than other providers.
Aside from that, the point regarding Android devices is that gmail's actual numbers are inflated by its existence, make no mistake. I have a separate google account for my work phone, so there's an email address that never gets used for anything more than the ability to install programs on the phone. Don't pretend that gmail boasts the numbers it does because it is really a superior product. I'd be interested in seeing how many people who have android devices actually use those google accounts.
In ay event, that's outside the scope of this discussion. This thread was opened because someone wanted a sort feature. Others posted in it because we want one too. We also get it, you don't think it's needed. Congratulations once again on being superior to the rest of the human race who disagree with you that a longer process is better than a shorter one that makes more sense.
You are adding nothing to the discussion and adding this feature in no way takes anything from your user experience. It has the potential to enhance the experience of others, though. Why on earth are you arguing that it shouldn't be added or that people should "make do" with search instead? Gosh, guys like you really just baffle me. Someone else getting something doesn't take something away from you. Stop being a brat.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||GrumpyOldBear||1/9/13 6:06 AM|
Well said I work for a software company (not Google) and we constantly try to improve our software by listening to and reacting to what our customers want. that way we get better. isnt that a GOOD idea huh?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||1/9/13 6:23 AM|
Thanks for the compliment. At 77 years of age to be described as a brat is a compliment to my youthful looks and outlook on life although my parents were very far from being beggars.
One of the reasons I dislike folders is you need so many copies of the same item. It's the reason (before computers were everywhere) I devised a system that allowed the company I worked for to create a cross referencing system which could find any piece of information in a short time. It also saved the company 75% of it's storage space and the same amount of it's stationery bills. The addition of multiple Labels does allow cross referencing.
While Sort may not be available in Gmail it is available if you wish to use your own computer's processor power through a third party app or another email supplier. The choice is yours to use Gmail or not and the fact you are here implies you don't want to go elsewhere.
The more you add into any system makes it more vulnerable to breakdowns and that goes across the board.
Android phones? I've had them and gone back to my trusty Blackberry.
I will eventually write a blog that goes further than Google's https://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=7190 to help others make fuller use of Search.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Terra Saylor||1/9/13 7:07 AM|
Well, it's pretty desperate to suggest that adding a way to sort email would introduce serious vulnerabilities to the system. That's a cop out argument and if that's where you have taken it, there's just no reasoning with you. However, your attempt at magnanimity is noted.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||thedavegray||1/9/13 7:35 AM|
The C Man.
Sorry but if you created lots of duplicates using folders then that is down to pilot error. Anyway, it should be possible to allow the user to display the data
in whatever order they wish, regardless of folders/labels. I've been a software developer for 20 years and I can tell you virtually nothing is impossible if
there's a will to do it. This is just a form of repeater and it should be possible to pass the sort key through to the database and then ORDER BY ...
I also don't understand why you are so defensive about this. People are asking for an enhancement which would not effect you at all, so why
are you arguing for it not to happen...
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||1/9/13 8:02 AM|
I'm not against it, So far there are a couple things that cannot be done just as well using Search such as reversing the date order but depending on what I look for I have no difficulty in going to the earliest and using the arrows to take me to the newer. I regularly do this when checking emails alerts from the forums.
One of my favourites is Searching the dates as "before:2011/08/08 after:2011/07/07" and then to take it further I can add to it as "before:2011/08/08 after:2011/07/07 from:...@gmail.com".
Go a stage further and add a phrase or something specific (use "advanced search" to see how these are used) and it will find the specific post I am looking for precisely.
Using Sort I have never managed to be that precise without knowing exactly where it is.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||thedavegray||1/9/13 8:20 AM|
The C Man,
It maybe that there is some good functionality in search, but nobody here is arguing for that to be removed, people are only asking for extra
features that would help them get their daily work done more efficiently.
You appeared earlier on, to be arguing that everyone should adopt the search method and being slightly superior over the whole thing.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Terra Saylor||1/9/13 8:24 AM|
Who said we even wanted that level of precision? The reason I was looking for it was so that I could sort by name, and then hightlight all the mails from an individual and move them into that individual's folder section by section based on the sort. Using your method, I first have to know the individual's exact name, search for only that, and then move the mails to where I want them. Then repeat the entire process again for the next one. Tedious.
How is that in any way superior to clicking one button, seeing the entire mail list sorted by that field, and then selecting the ones I want to move based on that sort?
You are arguing against a feature without even understanding why people want it.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||CldSmk||1/9/13 8:30 AM|
The C Man-
We don't really give a crap about how you do things unless you are going to sort out all the junk email for us. A very quick way to manage your email is to sort by sender and then blast away all of the messages that you're not interested in. You can also put things in folders this way. Don't tell me I should be doing this as soon as everything comes in - life doesn't work this way (unless you are old and sedentary.)
The point is that computers are good at doing many things and not everyone works the same - so why is it that one of the basic functions of a computer (i.e. "sort") is not available on one of the largest email programs currently offered?
Ultimately this is just a forum with everyone (almost) complaining about the same probnlem after having searched for a solution to no avail. Google isn't listening and probably has better things to do.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||1/9/13 8:48 AM|
Gmail doesn't have folders so I'm not sure how Sort is going to help you with moving or copying anything to a folder that doesn't exist.
I believe I explained how you can find all the emails from any address but here goes again:
Hope this helps.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||1/9/13 8:52 AM|
When and if you try what I have suggested take a look at the Search bar and you will find the search term that has been used. You can now add additional search terms to the end of this (leave a space between each) and delete all using this.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||GrumpyOldBear||1/9/13 9:11 AM|
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Terra Saylor||1/9/13 9:15 AM|
C man - Gmail's labels can be configured to emulate folder functionality. But *how* I want to use a sort function is frankly, none of your darn beeswax. Please stop. Really - you've made your point - you don't want a sort function for reasons unknown.
Many of us do!!!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||trikotret||1/9/13 9:24 AM|
I tried your suggestion. However, when I searched for a person email, all the emails that were involved in the email showed up. For example, the email I searched for, found other emails that both of us received from another person. I rather sort emails by one person instead of having the history of all emails
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||1/9/13 9:27 AM|
The folder email was not specifically addressed to you. It is a standard warning as many add a Label and then think they have added it to a folder and delete the email. They then come to the forum asking why Google deleted it or how to find it.
I understand you know better but others may not be quite so knowledgeable.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||1/9/13 9:29 AM|
Sorry but I'm not sure what you mean by "both of us". If you explain I'll try working out the search terms for you.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||trikotret||1/9/13 10:07 AM|
Here's an example. Say person A sent person B and me an email a few weeks ago in the same thread. Later I decide to look up all the emails from person B for a particular email. When I research it your way, I see all the emails from person B and the emails from person A since person A sent us the emails. In addition, I see the history of all emails from other people that included person B and me. Its too much info. I rather sort emails by person so I can find the emails i want easily instead a big database.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||1/9/13 10:21 AM|
By rights only the ones in any conversation that are specific to your Search Term will be expanded in each thread plus your own responses as these are expanded by default. You could turn off Conversation View which should then only result in the specific search term being followed and this can be done after the Search with the results being updated as soon as you click on Save Changes and take you back to the search page.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||rich44||1/9/13 11:55 AM|
Please look up the words "search" and "sort".
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Al1971||1/9/13 12:53 PM|
In my humble opinion, any business should reach out to their customers and see what they want. It would be great if Google had a system where people could go and have some sort of a wish list where others could vote on. Now that they don't, I started using outlook.com. WHAT AN AMAZING EXPERIENCE. I strongly recommend everybody to check it out. You can even add your gmail "email" as a sub folder and it would sync with your gmail account. Define different emails that and you can prioritize for work, promotional stuff, personal, etc and have them show up as subfolders. Search, sort and knock yourself out and leave the gmail folder to what it's best for - reliably storing your info....until maybe one day they start listening.... let's be honest - Google hasn't committed a crime. It just doesn't sort emails the way we want it to, just like I don't like burger king, so I go to Macdonalds...
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||shorty82||1/9/13 12:57 PM|
Actually, Al1971, Gmail does have just that kind of system. On the suggestion page people can make new suggestions and vote on popular ones. I recommend everybody wanting sort features suggest it there.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Skorpytoo||1/9/13 3:20 PM|
C-Man; what you are suggesting to readers now is essentially what the page that I posted 12/15 says; http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/good_day_wi/higgins-hints-Sort-Gmail-By-Sender-2012
Do you realize that HAD YOU GIVEN THIS INFO AT FIRST complaint, there would have been no reason for all the ones that followed? As has been said, if you were more interested in helping subscribers, rather than expounding your pleasure with the other features, this blog could have been finished long ago.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||trikotret||1/9/13 4:47 PM|
I turned off conversation view. When I did a search for Person B emails, I still got other peoples emails who sent person B and myself. In that case. It didn't work. Even if it did work. You are asking the user to go to settings, select conversation view off, then go back and do a search of a name instead of just clicking sort emails by name. I already switched to outlook.com. I just have all my emails forwarded to outlook.com. My gmail is synced to my android for contacts only.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Nick Costantini||1/9/13 4:49 PM|
Advanced filter takes way more time than the sort feature in Outlook. Plus I was looking for an email from somebody and couldn't remember his last name, but knew it started with a "K". Sorting by name would have made it much easier.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||1/9/13 4:58 PM|
If you had started the Search with From:N the suggestions below the search box would have probably given you a list of the senders whose names begin with n.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Jim Hayman||1/17/13 1:34 AM|
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Lorena Contreraz||1/18/13 1:08 PM|
I'm with you. I'm looking into hotmail. Goodbye gmail
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Marcio Pina||1/21/13 8:21 AM|
Paladin_JKC has a good point.
The easy sorting feature in ANY standard email is a very handy tool to have.
I don't get how gmail missed that.
No point in going around in circles to sort things through search tool.
Maybe it is the case of " we give them this and that's it" attitude from the gmail developers.
I am also leaving gmail little by little and going to hotmail.
Actually I openen my gmail account not long ago and it was a mistake.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||max stock||1/21/13 1:36 PM|
Damn, so nice I've discovered this nonsense before moving 12 years of work emails into gmail :)
Do I pay for gmail? Yes I do pay for extra storage. But google keeps screwing all the way.
They've removed lots of useful features with google docs as well, where you were able to generate new unique share links for existing docs.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||chiefig||1/21/13 3:54 PM|
Been on Gmail 5 days, going back to Outlook. Can't sort, what a shame, I thought I could live with gmail, guess not.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||1/21/13 10:34 PM|
It's still there. You open the doc and use the Share button and you can also choose to limit the share so it is private between those you share with. You cannot share another person's Documents without their permission.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||1/21/13 10:37 PM|
Do you mean the new Microsoft domain of Outlook.com or Outlook as in the computer based app? You can use that or Thunderbird (no doubt others as well) to run your Gmail just as you can use it to run most other email systems.
|Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||kimhouseofthor||1/22/13 8:36 AM|
I totally agree that gmail needs to make sorting by date easier. Even when you look in advanced search (which does not seem to be available on android app), there is no "date" option. It is almost impossible to uind emails by date. I receive hundreds of emails a day and I need to know the most recent first. Outlook is so intuitive, you click on the header date and it sorts by date. You click on subject, you get all related "conversations". You click on sender and you get all of their responses. So easy! Please make Gmail easier to use!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||kimhouseofthor||1/22/13 8:40 AM|
Sorting by date, sender, subjecT is not intuitive or easy in Gmail . Outlook is so much better. Even in advanced search, there is no specific search by date option. You have to guesses hoe to do it. The advanced search option is not available on Google Play Gmail app so useless if you are on your phone more than your. computer.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Skorpytoo||1/23/13 8:40 AM|
After all this, it doesn't appear that Gmail is going to bother themselves to upgrade their service, so everyone should be reminded that AOL mail service is free........ you do not have to subscribe to AOL to use it and, as far as I know, it has all the bells and whistles for sorting. I have an addy there, and I open and miniaturize services at the same time ( I can then tell which one I get an email from, by the "you've got mail", or "mailbox" sounds.")
But if you still want to keep Gmail, here's a help page to sort gmail by sender name:
"That's all, folks." I'm done here.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||1/23/13 1:43 PM|
I gave the same advice somewhere back in this thread and in a couple others. Didn't know somebody had bothered to write up what should have been common sense.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||r2d2-7||1/25/13 6:34 AM|
After wasting 20 - 30 minutes of my precious time reading through all of these e-mails, bottom line for me:
1. I'm glad I found out before I got in too deep into gmail - WILL NOT use for my business account - no functionality for business. My webmail is so easy.
2. Who wants to have to spend a half hour or more every time one needs to determine how to do something on gmail we've been doing the easy way for 10+ years with other programs. If gmail wants to be different because it's "cool" for the young folks, that's fine, but I don't have to use it.
3. I only set up a gmail account because it's still free, it's good to have for limited uses, & I wanted a separate account for one purpose only. Now I know if a user wants to be able to multitask gmail and set up for more than one function, it's not worth the aggravation.
4. Call me old-fashioned, but file management concepts will always remain the same, whether one is sorting paper files in a metal cabinet or virtual files online. From what I've seen and just read, gmail doesn't allow for this with any complexity. Therefore, if one only wants to do simple file, sort and retrieve by name only - looks like it works. If one deals in more complex layers of information, apparently gmail doesn't. (If I have to hire a programmer to help me do this than it ain't worth the time or effort!)
5. Perhaps this is mostly because the younger generation developing these programs are more interested in doing things in a new & different way and they have limited experience in information management. Techniques may be new but the management concepts don't change.
Love Google Search, Google Maps. Will stick with my webmail for business and personal e-mail for now.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||1/25/13 7:23 AM|
That is what comes of being a robot: The inability to move outside your original programming.
As a 77 year old human I have no difficulty with it as it actually conforms with the filing system of my youth.
I suggest you return yourself under your normal service agreement for re-programming.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||r2d2-7||1/25/13 10:59 AM|
If I had nothing else to do with my time, I'd probably do what you're doing to stay stimulated.
But let's not forget, this isn't really about the DELIVERY SYSTEM, it's about the MAIL.
My 5 year old gets excited when the truck pulls up, just like you seem to about the delivery system. But personally, I don't care whether the truck is Brown & Gold, Red White & Blue or Purple & Orange. All I care about is that my mail or package comes quickly to my door and I get to do with it what I want when I get it. If my time must be spent learning more about the delivery - it ceases to satisfy my purpose - which is getting my MAIL. It's the info that's my need, and when I have a choice, I always pick the quickest and easiest way. My view is why waste time/money on how it's delivered?
Having said that, here is why there are multiple vendors, those who want to play with delivery do, and those who are more interested in the content of what's received & want their mail delivered easily have another choice. Choice, it's what makes our lives interesting. Otherwise we'd all be using the same old platforms anyway and where would Google be?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||1/26/13 11:55 AM|
In the time it took you to write your complaints you could have learned how to use Gmail. Evidently you don't have something better to do and as for stimulation - the day you stop learning is the time you stop stimulating your brain cells.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||max stock||1/26/13 3:31 PM|
Google removed this-------->
"Resettable doc URL: For a doc set to anyone with a link, you can reset the doc’s URL at anytime, which helps you better control who has access to your doc."http://googledocs.blogspot.cz/2010/06/sharing-in-google-docs-just-got-easier.html
The only way to reset link now is to delete and upload files from start.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Geert Vink||1/28/13 2:27 AM|
If there's no (real) answer then don't give one. I'm not interested in personal and biological assumptions.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||1/28/13 5:39 AM|
So pleased you worked out how to use search reference terms with regard to labels.
If you have no (real) question then it would be impossible to answer it.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||dakota980||1/28/13 9:42 PM|
The C Man (Elder Advisor - Mobile Laureate)
Gmail is different.
Excellent! Does it mean 'Gmail doesn't care what is good for users, and what has been good for years within lots of e-mail systems'?
So why did they develop Gmail itself? I have an idea!
There is no need to use particular e-mailing tool! You may just use Google Web Search at the google.com!
Just type some special script direct to the search term box (no more than 20 operators, so there is no problem to learn them all)!
Usability? No, have never heard...
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||1/28/13 11:36 PM|
It cares. It found a different way that 450,000,000 users seem to like. Why haven't I added the normal + sign to the number of users? To account for the few that complain about the difference and want the same system as the majority of other email services and want to change it into a cloned copy of them. That way leads to stagnation.
Shame on you because now you've taken my warped mind onto a tangent;
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||thedavegray||1/29/13 12:19 AM|
That's a complete nonsense post! Just picking one of your bullet points "Everyone Drives Identical cars"... Of course not, but they
expect them to do the basics functionality of a car, like forwards and backwards. You posts have been rubbished on here time and time
again, your are in fact just trolling.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||1/29/13 12:32 AM|
I love nonsense. It's a British thing like sarcasm. If you ever get the chance find an old Michael Bentine program "It's a Square World".
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||1/29/13 12:40 AM|
Can I ask that all those stamping their feet because there is no Sort do it as a Line Dance. Suggestions for the music and caller will be gratefully accepted.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||KeithR||1/29/13 12:40 AM|
Nonsense questions (like "Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender", which isn't even a question) deserve nonsense answers. User base doesn't grow to 450 million by providing what nobody wants. People who don't like the interface can use a client or Hotmail or Yahoo or ...
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Skorpytoo||1/29/13 11:22 AM|
I am actually reverting to snail-mail, to send this to Google HG.:
The below is a response to the hundreds of emails asking how to sort
The C Man (Elder Advisor - Mobile Laureate) via Gmail <gmail+noreply-APn2wQeA_SghCJxqwVVHbU5OMz1m8Qm63fwCuu_H0JIIR0EWfirstname.lastname@example.org>
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||1/29/13 12:14 PM|
Please show where I said anything like that. I have advised the use of third party systems still using Gmail to achieve what you want. You may not like what I say but there is definitely no need to invent anything like that.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Terra Saylor||1/29/13 1:28 PM|
You are right, KeithR is the one who advised to just go somewhere else. However, you are extremely insulting and unprofessional if you are, in fact, a Google representative. Insulting the userbase isn't going to grow that alleged 450mil "users".
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||NotThatHard||1/29/13 2:24 PM|
Hover over the sender's name. When the popup appears, click on "Emails". That will show all of the emails from that sender.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||gmailschool||1/29/13 5:09 PM|
aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh just stop debate with "Eldes Advisor"
sorry that i must post something. yup before this i say that i not post some any more. ( because what i post is "direct hit - to kill" hahahahha)
fact nomber 1:
Gmail is history -- slow incoming == rigth now google focus at android or apps.
C- man or what ever you are. Google is internet / social base company - just like facebook or others. oh yup google.inc try to go in "real world" like android or mobile phone.
fact number 2:
SOCIAL mean people u can not just do bad things with social/ people.
if U DARE or challange us than try go upload this forum into bigger forums - like facebook or anything.
we have history - in Indonesia - u can not fight corrupt "individual" goverment / police / judge with high ranking - just like ministry - police general.
SO poeple in indonesia or clean individual goverment - try to fight it with SOCIAL MEDIA - like facebook - youtube.
Result is fantastic - u can see at youtube - AHOK = vice governor - JOKOWI = governor of capital city in Indonesia (Jakarta) they upload all OFFICIAL meeting at Youtube. so that is step to fight Corupt system with 2 person. ( as you know almost 90 % people in governor is have bad attitude).
SORRY all MAN and LADIES
JUST ACT no TALK no more USELESS DEBATE
C-MAN how old u are ? are have learn about something in school ? U must take leasson about managemet or bussiness?
emmh and i 100 % sure that u are not programing / Coding, because i am "programing" and THIS ALL non sense is AGAIN 1 to 9 article of RULE to Make Program.
== * C Man this prof that u advise use that things
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||1/29/13 6:32 PM|
Evidently you did not read the thread from the start. I and others gave all the help possible in using Labels and Search to more than equal (my opinion) Sort. I'll get around to writing a blog or something at some stage and keep pointing to it but to keep posting the same advice which nobody wants to use because they want a clone of something they left for some unknown reason.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||1/29/13 6:37 PM|
That's one of the pieces of advice I give but to addition to your advice (this was given before) if you do it from the Contacts screen you have alphabetic sorting.
About the only thing you cannot do is reverse the date order so earliest is at the top.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||1/29/13 6:43 PM|
Please check my profile to see my age, it's on the about page.
Microsoft now has two versions of Outlook. One is Outlook.com which is taking over from Hotmail and the other is Outlook which is part of the Office suite and a third party app for dealing with emails.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Terra Saylor||2/1/13 12:00 PM|
Why on earth do you want to write a blog about why folks who want to have a sort function should use search instead? It seems to me like you just want to see yourself type. You are not being at all helpful in this thread, and should just walk away. The fact that you alone have more posts in this thread than any three others put together should indicate that you are really trying way too hard.
We want sort. That's the end to it. No amount of, "but, but SEARCH!!!!!1!1!1!1!" is going to change that. I already moved back to Windows Live Mail and when a month has passed and I am sure I've changed all the pertinent email accounts, I'll close this one and say good riddance forever. The sad part is that I probably could have gotten around the whole no search thing, but representatives like you just make me sick and I can't even stand to open this email account anymore. It's disgraceful that someone like you is allowed to represent a major technology firm, but I guess it's because you are doing it for free. If you worked for my firm and treated my customers the way you talked to people here, you'd be escorted out of the building.
Good luck to the rest of you, and hopefully someone will sit down with this so-called Elder Advisor and teach him how to handle customer relations in an adult way.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||2/1/13 4:37 PM|
I'm sorry you think I am wasting my time because a few have actually learned from some of the stuff I have written.
Once again, if you want Sort you can have it as an addition by using Outlook or Thunderbird or similar.
The blog would be for those who want to use Search to it's widest extent, Not about those who want to use it. It's not about anybody. Where did you get that idea from?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||medvito||2/4/13 1:16 PM|
Look at this posting and you will maybe understand why so many thousands and thousands of people hate Google. Instead of Google's response being something like "we understand that our users are asking for this feature and we will add it" it's rationalization and BS. Typical.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||medvito||2/4/13 1:29 PM|
Gmailschool - spell check much???
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Andrew Abrams||2/5/13 8:10 AM|
Cman, you've set a really poor example for your company in this forum. You have an overwhelming amount of people asking for a feature, and you're arguing with them about it. Good customer service, whether you intend to or not, you say I'm sorry, that features not implemented. I'll mention that issue to the developers. Here's some alternatives.
Instead you've basically told people, "you don't need it, and if you do, use something else" you even went the Tim cook route and said use 3rd party apps.
This is why I like google less than apple. At least I can depend on their crap to do what I need in a simple fashion. So instead of having a simple INDUSTRY STANDARD button to sort email, you have to go to advanced searching and still not get what you want.
Google guys think they're so superior because their devices are so technical. Same for Linux. But when it comes to doing simple things like sorting mail and good customer service, you just can't get them right.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Michael Donley||2/5/13 9:28 AM|
Add me to the list of frustrated users who would like a simple sort function.
I have thousands of emails, most worthy of trashing, but it's too clunky to clean them out. So, Google gets to dedicate storage for them because Gmail does not make it easy for me to sort and delete them.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||2/5/13 4:28 PM|
You really should check on what Top Contributors are. We are volunteers. No company statements. The company well knows what some users want and has been asked for since 2004 probably but I don't think they have any intention of being turned into a run of the mill copy of almost every other service supplier who is probably being asked to copy Gmail and bring in Search (Microsoft did just that).
The something else is a third party computer based app such as Outlook or Thunderbird which allows you to carry on using Gmail and creating a backup of your mail. I have never in my memory said go elsewhere.
I wish it was my company but I don't get paid and I don't own one share.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||2/5/13 4:30 PM|
Describe what you are trying to do an maybe we can help you do it. I dump 3,000 emails a week on average and the remainder is sorted by Label and cross referenced making it easier to find.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Aust247||2/5/13 6:54 PM|
Google either lacks the competence or desire to develope this tool. It been 10 years now... hopeless.
I bet Google CEO Larry Page uses Microsoft Outlook as his own product is substandard
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||2/6/13 6:07 AM|
Why wouldn't Larry use Outlook or for that matter Thunderbird? He would still be using Gmail. There is no reason to build something to sort when Microsoft and Mozilla have done it already.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Al1971||2/6/13 11:01 AM|
Honourable C Man,
We innocent gmail customers respect your steadfast support for gmail and google and stand by your side in defending all good that google has brought to the world - no seriously, I mean it.
But in this case if I were to make an analogy, it's like we're at a restaurant and asking for salt, but are offered celery seed, cinnamon, chipotle pepper, paprika and every other exotic spice - except for plain old darn salt.
I've never seen a restaurant where salt is not available and quite honestly think that simple sorting to email services is what salt is to a restaurant.
I agree with a lot of other participants in this forum. Nobody is perfect and neither is Google. It's just a shame the imperfection in this case can be resolved by putting a simple saltshaker on the table.....
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||2/6/13 2:21 PM|
You are so correct in your analogy. Outlook is the Salt and Thunderbird the pepper. I'm sure there are other condiments available.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ironsides||2/6/13 4:51 PM|
Al... I understand the point you were trying to make with your analogy - the restaurateur is ignoring the wishes of his customers when they are asking for something simple, conveniently available elsewhere. I don't see either "sort" or "search" as condiments. Condiments affect the flavor of the food, analagous to the look and feel of an application (fonts, color, etc). Instead these functions are utensils, or tools, that affect HOW we consume our dinner. Google is refusing to offer a proper set of utensils, offering up only one. It's as if they are telling me to eat my soup with a fork, or worse - a knife, when I want a spoon. Then they say, if you want to use a spoon, take your soup elsewhere and use their spoons, or go and buy your own spoon.
As a former CIO in a couple of large organizations, I have seen this attitude all too often. The techies ignore their users. The apparent Google response that there are zillions of users, hence they all must be happy is fallacious. Has anyone asked if they are happy (a user satisfaction survey) or asked if they would like the "sort" function (not search - look in a dictionary for the difference). I think not.
Google probably sees me as a user, but I have followed this thread only in an academic way. When I learned that Google didn't offer a spoon, I switched email platforms and simply forward my gmail to my platform of choice. I will eventually drop Gmail when all of my contacts learn my new address, but for now my Gmail account is "active". I take up disk space, etc, etc but to Google and its sponsors there is no benefit.
Gmail is not useless, as it can be used as a bad example. I show the responses of the "elder advisor" to my technical staff and advise them if they demonstrate his attitude to their users, they can find another job.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||2/6/13 5:25 PM|
You really don't understand, Google makes the alternates available by allowing you to use alternates. Try it with Hotmail or Yahoo and see what happens when you forward them to other email services. Yahoo want you to pay for the right to do what you want with your own mail and Hotmail doesn't want you to have them on both so deletes their copy of your mail.
What you want is a restaurant to cook it's meals to the recipes of it's individual clients. I doubt even your wife would accept that as reasonable.
I use Thunderbird for two reasons. It gives me the ability to do what you want and I need very rarely plus I have a backup of all my mail.
Every cloud based service is prone to hacking and if you don't have your own backup you take a risk in losing all your precious mail. Take a look through the Gmail forum to see how often it happens and please don't think other services are safer. They aren't although some may be attacked less.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ironsides||2/6/13 6:41 PM|
Once again you make my point - look at what I wrote. Is there any place where I mentioned that the meal should be changed? No, just how I choose to eat what is delivered.
You say Gmail allows "alternates" and say the others don't do so in the same way. As for Hotmail deleting email when forwarded, please tell the truth. I have a legacy Hotmail account as well from which I forward all emails to my chosen platform. None of those are deleted, which requires me to periodically cleanse the account. The fact that you choose to disseminate false information again proves my point.
Anyway, this is not my problem as I no longer "use" Gmail, but after reading your daily insensitive posts to others, I caved and finally added my thoughts. The fact that you ignored or didn't absorb what I actually wrote, and falsely said that Hotmail deletes forwarded messages, is ample demonstration that any further conversation with you is simply pointless.
As CIO I changed the title of my division to IT (information technology) to IS (Information SERVICES). Perhaps you should focus more on the SERVICE people are asking for than the technology horse you continue to flog.
There are none so deaf as those who will not listen, nor blind as those who will not see.
PS: not to be petty, but "it's" means "it is". The possessive of "it" is simple "its".
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ironsides||2/6/13 6:52 PM|
Oops... should have written "from IT to IS" .... the point being that listening and providing services is more important than focussing on technology for technology's sake.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Beverly J. Goldrup||2/6/13 8:17 PM|
OK, I like gmail a lot, but not being able to sort by date or name is cumbersome and a poorly designed interface. I just spent a good hour organizing my email. I notice you have a lot of comments, so I'm not alone. Any plan to change this.
Thanks for listening.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||KeithR||2/6/13 10:50 PM|
On Wednesday, 6 February 2013 03:10:00 UTC+11, Andrew Abrams wrote:Cman, you've set a really poor example for your company in this forum. You have an overwhelming amount of people asking for a feature, and you're arguing with them about it.
Andrew, the facts are that half a dozen or even 10,000 users is not an "overwhelming" number of Gmail users. There are around 400 million active Gmail accounts and Google knows exactly how they are used because it's a web application and they can monitor how we use it. Google executives discussed sort features with groups of users in 2011 according to media reports and nothing has come of it.
Our role as Top Contributors is to explain how to get the most out of Gmail and we know from years of experience the likely direction Google will take. Personally, I think C Man is probably flogging this issue a bit, but I have to support his stand in trying to get you all to see that sorting is not really needed in Gmail because of its amazingly fast and powerful search. Before using Gmail, I used Outlook and often re-sorted to make it easier to find messages. Now that I have grown accustomed to Gmail with the fast search and conversation view, I just don't miss sort at all.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||2/6/13 11:37 PM|
Sorting by name is there automatically by opening Contacts (sorted alphabetically), hovering over the name to bring up the card, click on the word Emails and it's done. Now you have that you will see the search parameters used so add a space onto the end of that and use the advanced search parameters older than:/newer than: and you have what you were looking for.
I have a peculiar feeling it could be faster than Sort but I could be wrong.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Zen Man||2/7/13 2:27 AM|
Sorting emails is not available. Yes, you can filter an individuals emails if they are in Gmail contacts but you can't sort emails by name, subject etc. and
You can sort Gmail Contacts by name - Wow! I think this is good! It would be very nice to be able to sort by address - line 1 or postcode/zipcode and maybe primary telephone number.
Google must have the expertise to add this basic sorting functionality to Gmail and and its sub applications. Google Drive has the ability of sorting files by certain criteria.
It would be very nice if Google replied to this thread - this is what is required.
Members of the Forum, if you feel strongly about having a sort option, maybe bombard Google on their suggestion page with this request. http://support.google.com/mail/bin/static.py?hl=en&page=suggestions.cs There is a power with numbers
If you don't think it is important stop defending Gmail and let it be.
If you are unhappy with Gmail move to another application that gives you the facilities you require. Basically vote with your feet.
Finally, Forum members who suggest using client programmes are missing the point. It's Gmail that does not have Sort. I don't want to have to constantly install Thunderbird or other progs on different machines that I use. What people want is the ability to sort emails in Gmail in their chosen browser, if that can't be done then make the facility available on Googles Chrome browser only.
Google/Gmail, please come back and say something!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Salman2013||2/7/13 9:05 AM|
...... and still Google failed to add the simplest feature for the convenience of its users. While most of the hired people at Google are PHD's, highly unlikely the users are even close to that. It make more business sense to me to allow simple features like this so it becomes more easier for people who transition to Google products from other service. I would appreciate this feature very much and so would others. Thank you.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Beverly J. Goldrup||2/7/13 9:10 AM|
Actually, with the exception of the inability to sort, I like gmail a lot. I like the option Google provides of integrating various applications with one user name. And, yes, Ironsides' comment about a standard user option--"sort" rather than "search"--needs to be addressed.
Gmail is the only service that doesn't allow sorting by name, date, etc. I spent a couple of hours last night sifting through my emails and organizing them. I'm not saying gmail is useless: it just needs this simple fix common to all applications that is status quo for all users. I can't think of one email service or application that doesn't allow a user to sort and add items to a file. This is not a specialized need: despite gmail's considerable functionality, it seems a logical feature for all users.
Both Firefox and Thunderbird cater to the end user's needs through add ons. That is a buffet the user can customizes according to her/his tastes. I'd imagine creating the theme function, which I like, would be far more challenging to design than a simple sort function.
I was a bit put off by the "wife accommodating" comment. If one person doesn't like something another person cooks, the option to fix something different is always on the table. That's not the "job" of a wife. For what it's worth, the "its" and "it's" thing bugs me, too. It's a standard confusion, probably similar not to add a search function to gmail.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||2/7/13 9:15 AM|
Most of the users are not PHD's and there arer 450,000,000 of them who seem to manage quite nicely and possibly prefer it the way it is. I rely on my intelligence to use it and have had no formal training in computer sciences.
If you can use it it is simple. If you can't then it is difficult. I cannot believe there are 450,000,000 minds out there that are better than yours.
I would have used the word million if I knew how to spell it.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||2/7/13 9:17 AM|
Sort by name is not needed as I explained. Did you try my suggestion of using the Contact list?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||wdurham||2/7/13 10:32 AM|
You have an overwhelming amount of people asking for a feature
There are 450 million users of Gmail at the last count. There are less than 250 people posting on this thread. An "overwhelming number" would be about 350+ million users.
Google will always go with changes that mean the most benefit for the most people. Sorry, but you are a very small minority. And sorting a search-oriented database is not the simple matter you all think it is, so Google are hardly likely to embark upon a radical change of their back-end so that sorting can be enabled to satisfy 250 users who have let their accounts get into such a mess that they can't find anything using Search. Particularly when Google make both POP and IMAP available free of charge, so that if you really cannot exist without sorting, you can still pull Gmail into an email client and sort it there.
If you have so little knowledge of what is in your account that you cannot use the search feature or the contact hover card (faster than searching for a sender) then you should be looking at your email management methods rather than castigating your email provider because they don't help you recover from a mess.
I moved to Gmail from Outlook in 2009. I never had to use sorting in Outlook and I don't need it now in Gmail. Because I actively manage my mail on a daily basis. If you can't be bothered to do that, and have so little idea of what's in your account that you can't use Search, then, sorry, but that is your problem, not Gmail's.
Sorting MAY be enabled at some point in the future, but it needs a huge amount of work, and is probably very, VERY low priority. So don't hold your breath.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Beverly J. Goldrup||2/7/13 2:08 PM|
Mea culpa. I didn't know this contact function was available. Many thanks for pointing me to that and the Google advanced search page, which I've bookmarked. I am proficient in Boolean search, but having search language specific to Google is quite helpful. I have a feeling your suggestion is faster than the sort function. But, I could be wrong.
Now, I can use this function to send all my unwanted email to the spam folder. Simple! And, using Thunderbird as a backup is a great idea. My sincerest thanks.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Beverly J. Goldrup||2/7/13 2:25 PM|
I maintain that this functionality should have been included in the original design; however, instead of meeting my comments with rudeness, CMan has been kind enough to provide me, politely, with information of which I was not aware. I am certain that my advanced knowledge of Boolean logic combined with earch terms indemic to Google will amelioate any confusion. It is information that I can now pass on to help others, and I greatly apprecaite it.
The comment that less than 250 people are on this thread requesting a search function, does not mean there are not several more individuals who have the same concerns. Relying on one thread is not proof: it's anecdotal. That Google will first address changes that benefit most of its users is academic. I never asked Google to embark on a radical interface redesign of gmail.
The true mess is the tone in which I was addressed, which is obsequeious and condescending. Online communication does not obviate civility.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||2/7/13 3:01 PM|
Thanks for coming back and accepting the advice so magnanimously. Many others have accused me of being a Google fan boy and seemingly refused to even attempt using my advice.
Whether or not Search is faster I know not but by using additional search terms it can be more accurate. One of my projects will be a blog on how Search and Labelling can be combined.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Trooper48||2/8/13 4:44 PM|
Okay, perhaps we have a semantic thing going here as the answers by CMan say to use contacts, hover over the name, click on email, and then be able to see all emails by that contact. So after three steps, I still see only the emails from that contact. To me this is still search, not sort (however "wow" you think the hover thingy is). CMan, how do I see my emails grouped in one list by sender, or by date, or by ..... as every other email program offers? How do I group emails from people not in my contacts? Your "solution" allows for viewing one sender at a time, and only if that sender is already in your contacts. What about emails from people not in your contacts ..... I don't add every sender to my contacts. Do you? And isn't it tedious to have to view only one at time?
You whine about people not following your advice - perhaps because your answer doesn't solve the problem?
Saying that because there are zillions of users the vast majority must be happy is a specious argument at best. As Ironsides pointed out, has Google ever asked those zillions if they would like a "sort" function?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||2/8/13 5:26 PM|
I don't whine. I give advice.
If you sorted mail by one name you would get the same result. What's the difference if the result is the same? Want them down to an individual date then you add it to the search bar as I explained to Beverley. If she (I know Beverley could be a male name) has admitted to it possibly being faster than Sort then which is better? Want to see that one email mentioning "Aunt Hester"? Use it as an additional search term. Want it to find the mention of "Aunt Hester" and "Uncle Charles" then add "Uncle Charles" into the quotient. Want to see what they were up to before last Christmas. add the before date: into that and if they were not up to something earlier than the month earlier than that then add an after: into the mix.
Now it's your turn. Explain how Sort will do that without you having added everything to folders first. I keep hearing how Sort can do everything but make a cup of tea so please convince me how good it is.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||KeithR||2/8/13 6:39 PM|
On Saturday, 9 February 2013 11:44:25 UTC+11, Trooper48 wrote:
You can do exactly the same thing by hovering over the sender name in a received message.
Go to the suggestion page listed above by Zen Man and you will find the answer to that.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Trooper48||2/8/13 6:53 PM|
1. "Many others have accused me of being a Google fan boy and seemingly refused to even attempt using my advice." Sounds like a whine to me. Many here are saying that you continually flog the search thing without understanding what they are trying to do because you are blind or deaf to the request.
2. You don't "sort" by one name - you search by one name. Look up sort in the dictionary: "Arrange systematically in groups". How do you arrange one person systematically in a group? Hmmmm..... Finding one person by search rather than sort is of course likely faster, but then again you miss the point. I don't want to just see that one person. I want to see all my mail arranged systematically by senders (in groups... get it yet).
3. Search implies that I know the "name" or unique identifier of what I am looking for to use as the search term. What if I don't know the name of all senders. On the other hand, by grouping by sender I can pan down the list and see messages SORTED, including those who are not in the contact list.
4. Nobody has ever said they want to see "that one email mentioning ....". That is a search function. So that point in favor of "search" is meaningless, as those asking for "sort" want to see groups.
5. Nobody has said they want sort instead of search. Yes, the google search function is powerful but it doesn't handle the "arranging systematically in groups". Other email systems provide both, admittedly probably with a less powerful search engine.
6. You haven't answered addressed the fact of your claim that sort is there when the person is not in your contacts.
By the way, I drink coffee not tea, but it doesn't matter what I drink. I want to simply arrange all of my mail in one place by sender, or by subject, or by whatever criterion. Tell me how search does that.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Trooper48||2/8/13 7:08 PM|
Okay, so I have to find each one individually, then hover, then see only that one person's email. And I have to do that for all senders. Doesn't sound too simple or efficient.
I looked. There is no answer there, just a list where I can tick stuff. There's a huge difference between a suggestion box that they don't tell you about and which you have to learn about through word of mouth, and being asked directly. My comment still stands and apparently the answer is "no"
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||KeithR||2/8/13 10:38 PM|
On Saturday, 9 February 2013 14:08:24 UTC+11, Trooper48 wrote:
If you click on Gmail Settings Help, you will be taken to the Gmail Help Centre. On that page you will see Suggest a Feature. That's telling you about it rather loudly and by all standards of opinion polling, Google will have a pretty good idea of how strong the demand is for sort compared with other desired features.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ironsides||2/9/13 12:32 AM|
So, you're telling Trooper that one has to:
1. click settings
2. click help
3. then on a very busy screen with more than 30 clickable options, notice something small buried on the right hand side that says "suggest a feature" (because not knowing there is such a thing, one is not really looking for it)
4. then click it
5. then on another busy page find the option to "suggest" sort
6. then click it.
And this is what you call a high standard of polling, telling me "loudly" about it. Now I am beginning to see why there are the problems there are. Things are really clearing up. Thanks for helping us understand the mindset of the developers. Bury something very deep so when very few will actually take the time to navigate there, you can still claim high polling standards. But, by the way, this is not polling. It's as if a company put its suggestion box down in the furnace room and didn't tell anybody where it was, then later said that there were no suggestions. Laughable, but actually quite sad too.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||KeithR||2/9/13 1:09 AM|
On the landing page for the Help Centre is hardly down in the furnace room. What software do you know about that has a suggestions link closer than one click away from the main user page?
[Edit: Apologies, two clicks]
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Trooper48||2/9/13 9:24 AM|
I agree with Ironsides. Polling is an "active" as opposed to "passive" activity. One goes out and asks opinions, whereas receiving "suggestions" is passive; so in fact Google is not even polling. Polling if done right gets a representative sample to understand what the populace is thinking. There is no way a passive suggestion box does that.
As for number of clicks, I count at least three from main user page (unless your "main" page is the Help page which again explains a lot).
Click 1: go to Settings
Click 2: go to Help
Click 3: find and click "suggest a feature"
I guess the issue just hasn't "clicked" with you.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ironsides||2/9/13 9:34 AM|
Thanks, Trooper - well put.
From an academic perspective (as I've already switched to another platform but follow this discussion for the giggle factor), I clicked on google help and searched on sort. There are several threads out there with users asking for the sort feature going back years. The following is a quote from 4 years ago (5/28/09) in one thread:
"Just for the record, in case Google is actually listening to their customers concerns, (which seems unlikely due to the thousands of messages I have just read where so-called "g-mail Top Contributors" consistantly harass people for simply asking for this simple feature. I can only assume that these "Top Contributors" are google employees, and their hostility to the masses is astonishing)...."
So, I guess nothing changes ....
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Sinisa Szabo||2/9/13 6:41 PM|
Yep, need sort in addition to something like "Advanced Search".
Simple as that.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Terra Saylor||2/11/13 11:59 AM|
You are just trolling now.
Here's how it is faster. I want to see all my emails sorted by date so I can put them into folders I created. I click on the button above the date field in the list. My emails are now sorted by date and I can put them wherever I want by selecting multiple emails in the desired group which I can now visually distinguish. Or maybe I don't want to move them anywhere at all. Maybe I just wanted to see them sorted by name instead of in the order they arrived.
The onus is on YOU to explain how opening a search, then adding the criteria which will only then display mails matching that specific criteria, and then having to do it all over again for the next date, name, or whatever, is superior to a simple sort.
You keep throwing features at us relevant to Search, but the problem is that no one is arguing that search is a bad feature. Want to find that one email that mentions Aunt Hester? Awesomesauce, use search. You know what you are looking for. Want to know which email Mom mentioned both Aunt Hester and Uncle Charles in the same message? Awesomesauce use for search once again, I agree.
Want to sort emails in a list so that I can visually distinguish the ones that came from Aunt Hester versus Uncle Charles versus Mom in neat blocks down the page without any particular regard to the content or any specific idea *what* I'm looking for? Nope.
The solutions you are providing don't even come close to solving the problem we are talking about. The problem isn't that I can't figure out how to look for that one email from my Uncle Charles where he said forgenschmurgen - the problem is that I just want to hit one button to sort my emails so that visually they are arranged in a way that makes sense for ME instead of whatever Google has decided the "proper" default is.
It really has nothing to do with search. I promise.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ironsides||2/11/13 1:08 PM|
Good points, but the problem is that google actually recognizes the difference between search and sort but just doesn't care enough to upgrade the system. Over 3 years ago (12/12/09) PeterR wrote in another forum: "We TCs aren't trying to say that search means the same as sort. We are trying to point out that the feature that Gmail now has, will work for what we want to do if we give it a try." He is defending google by refusing to acknowledge that search does NOT do what we want it to do. On the same date CMan responded to a good user post that provided a proper definition of "sort" with: "Back to the original question/point - There is a search box at the top of the Inbox and if you put the address in the it will find all the emails associated with that address". He chose to ignore what the poster was trying to point out.
There are several of these forums out there.....
These guys know exactly what we want, and knew years ago. Go to email help and type in "sort", and see forums started over 4 years ago asking for this function. Google is simply big enough that it feels it can ignore requests for basic email functionality. Perhaps you've heard the phrase "too big to fail", and it appears that Google feels that way. They host forums such as this so that users feel they have some input, but the years of ignoring that input is akin to the paper suggestion box that simply gets emptied into the incinerator. One can hypothesize why they do so, from a poor initial design that would be costly to change, to losing some Big Brother capability that Search gives them when they analyze users search queries, to whatever. The simple fact is they know full well that certain basic functionality is missing for which users are clamouring, and they choose to ignore us. End of story.Show trimmed content
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|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Zen Man||2/11/13 2:43 PM|
That link really shows Google Inc really are not interested.
I do want/need a Sort option so maybe Outlook.com is the way.
If Google Drive can provide Sort why can't Google Inc give Google Mail the resources to upgrade and roll this facility out.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Trooper48||2/11/13 6:39 PM|
Having read some of those years-old posts, I see that PeterR and CMan are saying the same thing here as they said those years ago, in some cases almost word for word. It seems we're all being taken for a bit of a ride as they continue to act as if this request for "sort" is a recent issue. We're being treated like fools by both of them and Google Inc, who must be monitoring these forums.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Andrew Abrams||2/14/13 9:10 AM|
What hasn't been addressed, and I hope I'm not the only one who's noticed this, is google employee reaction. We say we need a function, and are dismissed. So now I got a client that never deleted anything in 5 years I gotta clean out. You know what would be nice? A sort by date button. You know who has that? Everyone else but gmail. Not so unnecessary function if every mail client has it. I'm appalled in almost every thread by google employees. You don't tell us what we want. We tell you what we want. And to any google employee that tells me it's free so deal with it, you host this particular client's business email. Which means they pay you. Actually I pay you, and I include it in their bill. You're acting like sloppy kids taking my order at McDonald's.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||bkc56||2/14/13 11:28 AM|
You know what would be nice? A sort by date button.
E-mail in your Gmail account is already ordered by date. You don't need a "button" for that, it's the default.
As you stand there complaining that you didn't get the Big Mac you ordered while it's sitting right there on the tray you are holding?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Andrew Abrams||2/15/13 9:20 AM|
I need it from oldest to newest...
And I ordered a double cheeseburger. Thanks 😛
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Dale Patrick||2/15/13 10:49 AM|
another huge problem with this is what if you are getting an e-mail from a friend that is using an alias? Tough luck if you don't have ESP. It is much better for me to filter and delete new e-mail from friends or business names and contacts than it is for the e-mail service. Google has it backwards! computers list, display, sort things for us inconceivably faster than us. The decision to search, FILTER!, combine and group e-mails, and a little more decision between deleting spam and new e-mails should be left up to the human mind. By not having the traditional categories of an e-mail service this gets taken away! Like I said using g-mail without having outlook worries me because decisions such as what is important or not is being taken away from me a little bit. Computers can not decide what is important to me. For example yesterday was valentines day and I really had to search for my gfs e-mails she sent a few hours go. She is not important!and I am still having problems chasing the e-mail trail. What is more important to me is today, not scrolling through, and through what I already know to find what she just sent! And like I said I would have to have ESP, or just constantly search to find it! But appointments from spam sites that is important! Much easier to just be able to sort by date, check junk mail folder, delete junk mail, look in inbox, delete spam google did not catch after reviewing it, and then read e-mails from the folks I want. If it was not for me being able to forward e-mail to outlook, I would have to dump this service.
I love yahoos features much better, I just wish they would have better forwarding features, and the some of the new features are good and some really suck! Why do these people keep pushing and shoving there crap down our throats without listening?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Beverly J. Goldrup||2/16/13 12:41 AM|
Andrew, I can only suggest that you go to the last page and work your way up. There's no sort function from last to first. I wish I had a better meal to offer other than that double cheeseburger you ordered.
Instead of being characterized of someone who has "so little idea of what's" in my account, I found it far more helpful to have someone provide me with information rather than insults. I thank Cman for his help.
Like any application, there are benefits and drawbacks.
One of the features I didn't know about--but liked--about gmail was hiding file folders until someone sends you an email; the label you assign shows a received email indicating a sent message. bkc56, if you're having trouble with friends who use an alias, you can create a search and filter function to include ALL of the aliases for a specific person. (But, of course, you'd have to know what all those those aliases are...)
No application is faultless in deciding what is the best way for a user to decide how s/he wants to organize data. Some people don't organize at all: they like a mess. That would drive me nuts. However, each user organizes her/his email that is best for her/him: everyone has a different style.
I've found gmail pretty good at identifying spams: I still like to check. Spam is just something we all deal with: that's in all email apps and has nothing to do with my provider.
To work around gmail's lack of a sort function, I was directed to POP/IMAP with no help. I easily found the instructions. For those who would like to sync your account with another provider so you can sort your email, it's easy:
* Sign in to Gmail.
Here's the POP/IMAP info: http://support.google.com/mail/bin/static.py?hl=en&page=ts.cs&ts=1668960
But, should we have to perform this additional step when a sort feature would solve this issue within gmail? I don't think so.
wdurham was kind enough to inform me that I, and those of us who would like to have a sort function would require "a radical change." No, it is not an easy matter to create such a function, but, neither is creating themes for every user. I would think the folks at Google needs to figure out that creating a sort function would have been a more important priority.
My bottom line is that I've got (and like) gmail. I also wish there were a sort function. There isn't and no one at Google has addressed this issue. But, these are the parameters endemic to the application, so I'll work with them and can use POP/IMAP to sync my mail to a provider such as Thunderbird or Outlook. But, I'm fine with the search and filter functions: I like those options, also.
But, this additional step should be unnecessary. I don't believe I am part of "a very small minority" that would like a sort function: I think most users don't want to bother participating in a forum.
Combining sort AND search functions would make gmail a hell of a powerful tool.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||wdurham||2/16/13 4:24 AM|
I couldn't agree more, Beverley. For those who can't find their email without sorting it in alphabetical order, because they don't know what they've got, the combination of sorting and the powerful Gmail search would be a good one.
But here's the Google line from the then Gmail Director of Engineering, Mark Striebeck, just a few months ago:
It's all worth watching, but the bit you will be interested in is right at the end at 54.59. If you expand Sarah's synopsis (click Show More), you'll find the direct link to that timeslot.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ironsides||2/17/13 9:31 AM|
Thanks very much for the link to Striebeck's comments. I found them very enlightening, and now am convinced more than ever that Google will never respond,. I was an executive for a few years at SAP in the late 90's - early 00's.
As you likely know it is a German company, and I wondered at how they could ignore many significant comments about how their interface was not "user-friendly". They were very 'techy" and thought their techy interface was wonderful, and thought the users should just get with it. Meanwhile, other more user friendly suites were beating them in that space. They finally woke up and decided to start changing things. In Striebeck's case, I see the same, dare I say, Teutonic arrogance. He is telling me why I want sort ("to find specific mail from one person) rather than listening to me say why I actually want it. There is total inability to grasp the difference between search and sort. His comments reflect the belief that we use sort as an inefficient means of searching.
So, I've actually gone back to Yahoo and find it so much easier to manage my inbox than deal with the inefficiencies of search when I'm trying to sort...
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ramondo Elvan||2/17/13 4:32 PM|
Don't be so condesending, If your providing a product that the client does not like then YOU are at fault not the client. Paid or not, gmail should be EMAIL from Google and it should work like Email.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Beverly J. Goldrup||2/17/13 4:35 PM|
Many thanks, wdurham. I really didn't know much about the gmail organizational process. Now, I like it a lot. The suggestions you and Cman made are extremely helpful and led me to other links that I am sharing.
I hope these links help others become more familiar with the search and filter functions in gmail. With a (very) little organizational time on the front end via the search function, I now have my email organized nicely. It's well worth a few minutes of time.
Under Settings -> LABS, try these options if you choose to avoid POP/IMAP:
* Multiple Inboxes
* Preview Pane
* Smart Labels
I filter my contacts to bypass the inbox and go directly into the classification (label) I assigned. From there, it's simple to click the contact label and review the content via the preview pane.
Here's a video of Sarah's synopsis on labs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOL6LQf7Chk&feature=share&list=PLBB1DB5CD77A899E9
For those of you who still want a sort function, I suggest you play around with some of these features.
I'm in debt to wdurham and Cman. Once I dug a little deeper into gmail functionality via both of your suggestions, I find myself impressed with how easy it is.
The sort function would be nice, but maybe not as necessary as I first thought...
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||2/17/13 5:51 PM|
Thanks Beverley, Wendy is the real expert on Labels and I took Search a little further than most because it was a system I used before computers were in common use and I had never even heard of one. Really pleased you have found it so useful.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||KeithR||2/18/13 12:11 AM|
On Monday, 18 February 2013 11:32:59 UTC+11, Ramondo Elvan wrote:Paid or not, gmail should be EMAIL from Google and it should work like Email.
It does - beautifully. Works like email from Google.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||wdurham||2/18/13 1:55 AM|
Glad it helped, Beverley, even if we did start out on the wrong foot!
I spent a number of years looking for a decent email client (my ISP didn't offer webmail) and it wasn't until I discovered Gmail that I was finally able to do what I wanted to do with my mail. Which was to keep it tidy, organised into projects/subjects/people and easy to find. The ability to apply multiple labels was a real eye-opener - no more hard decisions about which folder to put a multi-subject message in, just stick as many labels as you want on it!
But yes, there are things Gmail doesn't do that people have come to expect from the linear-model used by email clients. It doesn't sort, it doesn't mark your messages as "replied to" and it doesn't generate multiple copies that can be deleted without deleting other copies. But the first two are dealt with by using different approaches, like searching, seeing your replies in conversation view, and the last is a godsend!
And after all, in 2004, what would have been the point of Google introducing a new email service that was exactly the same as all other email services, and behaved identically to all existing email clients? They had the opportunity to start over from the ground up, and handle email differently, and - they hoped - more efficiently and effectively. So, being Google - who don't DO "me too" products - they did.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||gmailschool||2/18/13 6:50 PM|
"google aps " vs " google mail " ( diffrent line )
it's not about :
U can not expect every one use some click to do thator know about that.
Extream ANSWER -- HOW aBout google provide line command ? so is every one ask some thing -- let's them program it self - by scripting. hahahahah
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||2/18/13 6:59 PM|
Evidently I need some education because your comment made no sense at all to me. Where is your school and what do you charge for courses in illiteracy?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Michelle Maxson||2/19/13 7:39 AM|
I agree - I can't believe google doesn't ahve this!!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||2/19/13 9:47 AM|
Please read what Beverley said five above your posts. She originally said near the same as you but she was willing to try not using Sort. When you have honestly followed what she did from the advice on the previous page from wdurham and myself please come back. Google is different but so were wheels compared to dragging something resting on a couple branches.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||So Kay||2/19/13 11:50 AM|
Totally agree concerning the impossibility of finding and old email.
I knew who I sent the email to and I knew what date. It's not there in the sent box.
The person replied to that particular email one week later and so it's in the inbox on that date but I couldn't remember when he replied.
That person sends me emails all the time so I had trawl his emails to find my original sent email.
It's just ridiculous - it can be useful to group threads but when you are doing a search you should be able to ungroup and go through the sent or received emails one by one like you do with all the sensible email providers.
Something that just sorts by date.
the other alternative is to ask anyone who replies to you to change the subject line so Google doesn't do this ridiculous grouping which makes the emails unsearchable
(Sometimes you only want print one email not the whole thread - that's another matter)
There should be a button which allows you to turn the grouped emails into individual emails so that they're easily searchable and printable like in Yahoo, hotmail etc
It means that they'll be lots of pages in your inbox and sentbox but so what!
In yahoo for long threads i delete unnecessary emails myself i don't want gmail doing it for me or at least it should give me the chance to revert back to normal email for the purpose of searching
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||bkc56||2/19/13 12:14 PM|
Gmail has had that for months (perhaps more than a year) now.
Turning off the Conversation View (the grouping of messages based on subject): Settings->General->Conversation View
Perhaps you should watch the Gmail blog so you're not so far behind the times on changes/improvements. http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||So Kay||2/19/13 1:16 PM|
Yes,I've found it already and done it, thanks.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||So Kay||2/19/13 1:18 PM|
but I got the help from another blog.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||So Kay||2/19/13 1:24 PM|
Done it already but I got the help from another blog so I'm not behind the times. Same collapsing thing of messages going here.
When you create an account these features should be automatically disabled - (haven't been using gmail for long)especially as the search engine is useless with conversations and just generally useless
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||KeithR||2/19/13 7:18 PM|
On Wednesday, 20 February 2013 06:50:57 UTC+11, So Kay wrote:Totally agree concerning the impossibility of finding and old email.
It is. Sent messages cannot be removed from the Sent view except by deleting them completely. Conversations are sorted by date - the date of the most recent message. Turning off conversation view (which you claim you know all about) will let you see individual messages in the order you remember them.
In Gmail, you can do that so easily. Hover over his name until the hovercard pops up, then click on Emails - pop! There they are.
And you say you knew about switching off conversation view?
Gmail always sorts by date.
So are you saying that you only discovered this conversation view switch in the 80 minutes between this post and your next one?
There's a drop down More button just beside the Reply button at the top of every individual message for actions that apply to only the one message...includes print the one message.
And you've found that button now?
Gmail never deletes any message itself.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||thedavegray||2/20/13 12:34 AM|
Just download Thunderbird and go through the setup wizard, it takes 2-3 mins max & you will be able to do all the
things that Gmail should be able to do. You don't need to use Thunderbird all the time, just when you need to do some inbox housekeeping.
All you are doing is allowing these "top contributor" or "elder statesmen" a platform to drone on and on and on, and increase their points count at the same time.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||So Kay||2/20/13 1:55 AM|
Le mercredi 20 février 2013 04:18:01 UTC+1, KeithR a écrit :
> On Wednesday, 20 February 2013 06:50:57 UTC+11, So Kay wrote:Totally agree concerning the impossibility of finding and old email.Ok I will try this.
> It's just ridiculous - it can be useful to group threads but when you are doing a search you should be able to ungroup and go through the sent or received emails one by one like you do with all the sensible email providers.When I originally wrote this message I didn't know about conversation view.
No, if you have conversation view - it only sorts by the final date of conversation exchange
Yes, is this so extraordinary? It took less than 20 mins actually - the information was posted on an unofficial blog.
>Ok thank you but it won't necessary now that I've switched off conversation view.
>The point was (perhaps not clearly expressed) is that I sometimes want to delete an email from a thread
Thank you for your help but I could do without the sardonic comments. The 'conversation view' button should be somewhere prominent in the gmail window and we should have been informed it by email if it's a recent addition. Unfortunately, the gmail users I know are very uncommunicative and if they were of this feature they never told me about it.
Furthermore, I have a French version of gmail which doesn't always help matters.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||So Kay||2/20/13 1:57 AM|
Thank you. This is a useful contribution.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||So Kay||2/20/13 2:07 AM|
On Wednesday, 20 February 2013 06:50:57 UTC+11, So Kay wrote:Totally agree concerning the impossibility of finding and old email.
Ok I will try this.
> It's just ridiculous - it can be useful to group threads but when you are doing a search you should be able to ungroup and go through the sent or received emails one by one like you do with all the sensible email providers.
When I originally wrote this message I didn't know about conversation view.
> Something that just sorts by date.
> Gmail always sorts by date.
No, if you have conversation view - it only sorts by the final date of conversation exchange
> the other alternative is to ask anyone who replies to you to change the subject line so Google doesn't do this ridiculous grouping which makes the emails unsearchable
> So are you saying that you only discovered this conversation view switch in the 80 minutes between this post and your next one?
Yes, is this so extraordinary? It took less than 20 mins actually - the information was posted on an unofficial blog.
> (Sometimes you only want print one email not the whole thread - that's another matter)
Ok thank you but it won't necessary now that I've switched off conversation view.
> There should be a button which allows you to turn the grouped emails into individual emails so that they're easily searchable and printable like in Yahoo, hotmail etc
> In yahoo for long threads i delete unnecessary emails myself i don't want gmail doing it for me or at least it should give me the chance to revert back to normal email for the purpose of searching
> Gmail never deletes any message itself.
The point was (perhaps not clearly expressed) is that I sometimes want to delete an email from a thread
Thank you for your help but I could do without the sardonic comments. The 'conversation view' button should be somewhere prominent in the gmail window and we should have been informed of it by email if it's a recent addition. Unfortunately, the gmail users I know are very uncommunicative and if they were aware of this feature they never told me about it.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||2/20/13 2:28 AM|
Were you referring to scoring points that would improve our levels or points for sarcasm? Top Contributors don't gain any for either but we do get a little temperamental when somebody has evidently jumped from first post to last (may not have even gone as far as looking at the last) before adding their post because it is so easy to add in at the start of a thread without reading anything along the way.
Your advice of using a third party app such as (Outlook or) Thunderbird is helpful but we have been giving that advice all through this thread. It is unfortunately going to be of little use to somebody who only uses something that is cloud based and has no way of running what is a computer based program (now a very worrying point as it limits the ability to create a backup) on something that may not be more than a smart phone with a larger screen.
I feel very honoured that you have chosen to add "the" as a prefix to your name. I hope this was meant as a compliment to myself and not sarcastically.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Beverly J. Goldrup||2/20/13 6:17 PM|
No problem, wdurham. I'm was a bit testy, also. Glad we had a chance to put our heads together and dialog. And, you have been VERY helpful: I appreciate it.
I do find the label function quite nice. It was an eye opener for me, too. Now, that I have discovered more tools, I'm more amenable to the way gmail operates and find it great for quick organization once all the labels and filters are set up.
I like your perspective that, if Google wanted to create an email service, why not trying something different? We all tend to be resistant to change. At the risk of repeating myself, each user has a different style. If gmail does not work for a person, they should go with the provider that makes them most comfortable.
It is neither a criticism of the provider nor the user. There are people who just don't like the interface: that's a matter of preference.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Beverly J. Goldrup||2/20/13 6:26 PM|
gmail school, I'm not sure I understand your question, but I'd like to help. Please let me know if I'm getting your question right.
1. How smart are the Google developers? Well, now that I've been schooled a bit, I'd say pretty damn smart.
2. How good is Google? That's your call.
Yes, not everyone likes gmail's functionality, which is precisely why you should choose what's best for you. For me, user interface is an individual preference. The tools I've learned have given me a quite simple way of keeping myself organized and on track. I initially did not like gmail. Now, I do and I've mastered some new skills in the process.
The term "line command" dates back to DOS: approximately 20 years ago. I have no idea what you mean except a search is a line command of sorts.
Not everyone is asking the same question. I hope I understood your question.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ironsides||2/20/13 7:18 PM|
Yes, C Man, I guess one would get a little temperamental when those damned users keep asking for the same thing for over four years and you have to keep defending a system that lacks basic functionality. I did go back and read other threads starting lo those many years ago, and see you saying the same thing over and over. How tiring that must be for you. Why don't those users go back four years? Imagine....
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ironsides||2/20/13 7:28 PM|
Wendy... you make a good point about Google attempting to not offer the same old thing once again. However, why didn't they augment a system with all the fancy search stuff and keep the ability to sort? Taking away basic sorting ability is not increasing any efficiency for a lot of tasks we perform. It's like designing a new car and adding a ton of computer controlled stuff but taking away the steering wheel.... (perhaps stretching the point but you know what I mean). The defence that Streibeck gave (in the video) for not including sort indicated he didn't understand (or care?) what most users use sort for.... for sorting not searching!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||2/20/13 7:38 PM|
Only reason we get temperamental is because so many demand that Gmail becomes a clone of all that went before. If you want to live in the past then I hope you use a horse and buggy and not one of these new fangled horseless carriages.
Save Wendy answering Gmail never had sort so it never needed augmenting. Search and sort are two different systems and each works in a different way. Some of prefer the easier more precise way and were prepared to take a little time to learn how to use it and others want the world to adapt to them.
If I was as young as you I would probably say the same things as you but I'm old enough to want to learn new tricks. (Did I get that the wrong way around?)
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||gmailschool||2/20/13 8:17 PM|
emmh i thing u not read my post properly :-)
this post NOT asking about how smart / good develop team or gmail capability.
remember NOT oke. ( form the start i never question the intelectualy to coding the program).
but this asking about USER INTERFACE the provide bottom "SORT".
if ur answer hey gmail can do it with blah - blah - blah. is any one know about it before / or how many hour they try to do that.
YUP line command like DOS - do you like it.. that is SATIRE - extream answer from consultant G****e. hahahhah
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ironsides||2/20/13 8:21 PM|
As for age, I'm now in retirement so the ageist comments just don't work, but do show your generally negative approach.
Perhaps I wasn't clear enough about including sort..... I never intended to suggest that Google had a previous email system. I was only attempting to say (which I think most readers actually would have understood) that if I were designing a new car, I wouldn't eliminate the steering wheel. I would have seen the very basic functionality in other vehicles, and augmented that functionality in what I was designing. Nobody is asking for a clone. Many have said that the search function is excellent for "searching", and is a welcome addition to an email system. It doesn't however replace sort (as even PeterR wrote many years ago). So stop the argumentum ad hominem approach. It is very disrespectful.
As for the point to Wendy, if you watch the video (link below) Streibeck says (around 56:20) that users are "looking for a specific sender", that they are "not interested in seeing senders listed alphabetically". Unfortunately, he has it completely wrong - we are interested in seeing users sorted alphabetically!!! (and other types of sorts for reasons I won't bother going into here). He keeps saying I only want to sort in order to scan and see the emails from "Sarah". If that were the case, okay, then search is the function to use. However, as old as you claim to be, I'm sure you understand that people don't want sort in order to see email from a specific sender.....
I will now respond to your personal attack. I have PhD in the management of IT, have had global responsibily for rolling out applications from one of the world's largest suite suppliers (SAP), have served as CIO at a couple of very large companies with large IT departments, and was on the Executive Advisory Council at Lotus and Microsoft among other software vendors. As CIO at one of the companies I led a development effort that won a national award for "Excellence in the Application of Information Technology" because of the innovative approach delivered. I also now periodically lecture in a couple of MBA programs on the management of IT. So, I need no lecture on "living in the past" and not moving on and learning new tricks. This discussion is about GMail missing functionality that users want. The worst sort of IT developer is the one who tells users what they want, instead of listening (as Streibeck did). Google simply isn't listening, or doesn't want to hear. And even worse, are those who reply with consistently negative approaches, which some of those posters from four years ago described your style as being.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||gmailschool||2/20/13 8:23 PM|
oek this is example.
1. google representatif sugest.. blah - blbah or waht ever it is.
2. IF google provide command line am suggesting.
Witch way the google user is choose ? number 1 or 2
oke be FAIR about it.... ANSWER IT --- all ur google representatif ????
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||KeithR||2/20/13 8:29 PM|
To all, it appears from chatter that is not public, that the sort function was left out of Gmail to maximise the database for search and capacity. Remember that this is not a desktop based system, but a web based system that was designed when the planned storage offering was huge compared to other web mail suppliers.
Adding sort into that database design is not easy as has been said above. As TCs, we have very little influence on Google's design plans. All we can do here is encourage users to make the best possible use of what exists. We try to assure you that sort is unnecessary because in our years of use of Gmail we haven't missed it.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||gmailschool||2/20/13 8:42 PM|
HAHAH at last the true answer
but as ex programing the SORT is SIMPLE as IT. VS google apps a lot more difficult and complex. ( just remember ur customer is not that STU**D )
oke if i am google representatif i will answer this:
AND we always tray to remember them about this issue.
thx very much for using gmail.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||thedavegray||2/21/13 12:28 AM|
"the term "line command" dates back to DOS: approximately 20 years ago. I have no idea what you mean except a search is a line command of sorts."
Wrong. Command line interfaces pre-date DOS by a good number of years. The computer revolution did not start with Windows/DOS you know.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||KeithR||2/21/13 2:43 AM|
On Thursday, 21 February 2013 15:21:11 UTC+11, The Ironsides wrote:
It's interesting that you chose that analogy since the car that Google is designing doesn't need a steering wheel!!
Maybe this is significant.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||2/21/13 3:02 AM|
You look very young so must have been a very early retirement.
The computer revolution probably started with QDOS because until that there was no such thing as a personal computer really. Bless or curse Sir Clive he really forced progress.
Some of the earliest cars had less of a steering wheel and more of a hand operated worm drive which amounted to nothing more than a bar with an upright handle for the driver to spin.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Beverly J. Goldrup||2/21/13 6:26 AM|
thedavegrayLevel 2... a little satire for comedic effect.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||thedavegray||2/21/13 6:30 AM|
The computer revolution probably started with QDOS because until that there was no such thing as a personal computer really. Bless or curse Sir Clive he really forced progress.
Really? I think there where PDPs and Vaxen around before that & I know they all had CLI's. Not to mention Unix and other forerunners.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Beverly J. Goldrup||2/21/13 6:47 AM|
thedavegray... yes, I do know. It's hyperbolic satire for comedic effect...
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Reluctant Gmail user||2/21/13 6:55 AM|
I don't use Gmail by choice. After years of using only Lotus Notes I had to find an e-mail provider for a (fairly) short-term project and picked Gmail more or less at random, to my later considerable regret. I battled with the ghastly 'Conversation View' and turned it off permanently as soon as this became possible.
Now that the project is nearly complete I look forward to dissociating myself from Gmail and its bizarre and arrogant lack of basic sorting functionality. I have tried using the Search function but it is much less convenient than sorting by subject, sender or size and does not provide a reliable enough equivalent.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Beverly J. Goldrup||2/21/13 7:22 AM|
Sans the snide comments, thedavegray is right.
1. You like gmail's functions: use it.
2. You don't like gmail's functions: don't use it.
The C Man made some valid suggestions. I chose to try them and like them. Also, wdurham made a good suggestion: why not provide alternative functions that satisfy users who may feel previous providers were not what they wanted? Why not try something new?
I also wish sorting were included in the design: gmail doesn't offer it. If you don't like gmail, use POP/IMAP, transfer your emails to another provider, and sort.
Like So Kay, I could do without the sardonic comments as well as the personal attacks. They are unnecessary and petty. I would like to spend time exchanging ideas and learning new gmail tips on the available forums.
> Just download Thunderbird and go through the setup wizard, it takes 2-3 mins max & you will be able to do all the things that Gmail should be able to do. All you are doing is allowing these "top contributor" or "elder statesmen" a platform to drone on and on and on, and increase their points count at the same time.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||2/21/13 8:37 AM|
What most fail to take account of is we TC's are under an almost constant bombardment from those who think their own way is better. Occasionally we find somebody who is willing to accept advice and the advice I and Wendy gave Beverley was given many times before with some occasionally accepting it. Those that have accepted it have left the threads in the main happy with what they have learned. Some like Beverley have come back to say "Give it a try". They normally give up in the end when somebody starts calling them "Fanboy/girl" and they get driven to exasperation.
We get fed up after a while being told off by somebody who has not read all the previous 11 pages of a thread telling us we should be better behaved.
If somebody wants an apology they have it. If somebody doesn't want to accept our advice in what is meant to be a help forum they don't have to. If they want to suggest there may be a different way of doing something they can but Gmail is different. It didn't get to be the market leader by copying others. Microsoft eventually offered Search as a choice and now they are changing the name of Hotmail to Outlook in an effort to regain market share. Yahoo makes it as difficult as possible to leave by trying to force users to take a paid contract before they will allow the transfer of emails. Third party apps are accepted as a way of life.
My computers have do enough that I do not want to use their processors to sort and I'm 90% sure there is nothing the Sort user can do faster or more accurately than the Search user. Perhaps one day there will be a race one against the other and I'll quite happily bet on Beverley taking the gold.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Terra Saylor||2/21/13 9:07 AM|
Except I could give a rat's tail how or what Beverly does in her mail. This thread wasn't titled "How can I use Search in lieu of Sort", it's titled "Sort messages by date, subject, sender". The body of the message was "I want the ability to easily sort my email by sender, date, or subject. If you do not provide this feature soon I will drop Gmail and move on to another email provider that does provide this feature. "
Then replies of, "Hey, me too!" followed. You could have just as easily stayed out of the thread and gone and had your little pow wow with Beverly who is probably hoping to become a gmail "Elder Advisor" himself in a thread titled "How can I learn to use Search?" Instead, you stayed in this thread trying desperately to convince thinking people that Search is somehow superior to Sort. I love that you are now implying that sorting takes a huge amount of processing power or something. Give me a break, we aren't programming with punch cards anymore, gramps.
I moved to back to live mail and have looked back only for this thread's entertainment value. I can't wait to switch over to iphone or maybe even windows phone so I can dump this stupid gmail account needed for my android. Bing it on, search engine! Bing it on. That's how much this ONE thread has made me learn to hate google.
Nevermind that users want a feature that's simple to implement with a SQL query my seven year old nephew could write, it's far more important to argue with them about why they shouldn't want that feature because extra key clicks are better. Congratulations on making yourself, and the company you represent, look like complete fools.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||thedavegray||2/21/13 9:16 AM|
I have read this thread pretty much from start to finish and I can honestly say your droning on is giving me and possibly other users a headache.
We don't wish to remove your search functionality, we just want Google to take note that we want what is considered to be a basic feature. Your overbearing know-all posts
are frustrating because they have no bearing on what most people on here seem to want - SORT.
It's a pity users levels "Level1 thru Elder Advisor" are not graded on quality not quantity as I suspect you might still be on level 1.
Yes I agree that Thunderbird is not much help to people simply using the cloud, but that's the point! In order to do major housekeeping you need a third part tool
to do simple stuff - You yourself have given this advice and have therefore proved it worthless by pointing out not all users are on PCs with the ability to download 3rd party software.
Google - Please give us the ability to SORT, even if it's from a different screen that the main gmail window...
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||wdurham||2/21/13 9:31 AM|
Look, thedavegray -
Gmail doesn't sort. And by the direct statement of the then Head of Engineering last August, providing Sort in Gmail is low priority. (a) because it is not as simple as you all think it is and (b) because the development resources to do it are better employed elsewhere.
So instead of sitting about moaning, find another way. Either bite the bullet, as Beverley did, and learn how to use Gmail properly, or have Hotmail or Yahoo or any of several IMAP clients download your mail from your Gmail account, and do your sorting elsewhere.
If Gmail doesn't do what you want it to do, then instead of sitting about whinging about something that ain't going to change in the near future, just don't use the Gmail web interface to get your mail. I would have thought that was obvious, quite honestly.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ironsides||2/21/13 9:37 AM|
C Man and Keith
I love how both of you seize on what I admitted was not the best analogy (steering wheel) in your feeble attempts at a rebuttal, yet you both ignored the more substantive issue of ignoring what users are requesting. You never even mentioned Streibeck's defence of "search" by using an example which clearly called for search, and saying that users don't want to see senders in an organized list.
Among the more telling comments CMan made: " others want the world to adapt to them". A very apt description of GMail.
From Keith we learn that Gmail's initial design makes it very difficult to implement sort, which is why it is not there. Instead of Google coming out and saying so, it tries to say search is so much better, when everyone knows it isn't for some tasks. In a different thread from years ago Keith indicated he found sort useful, but had learned to adapt. At one point he even said that there was hope that sort might be implemented. Now that he knows it cannot be done without difficulty because of some early design decisions, he toes the party line.
TC's may be under constant bombardment, but that shouldn't make you testy and rude - from reading threads from years ago I can see where you were called rude in '09. You keep saying the same thing over and over again, and don't address the true requests of users. You have even said Gmail is sorted by date. It isn't sorted by date, unless you say that the snail mail piling up after being dropped daily by the postman is sorted by date. It is presented in order of arrival - not sorted. So, if users get testy its because you refuse to listen and are rude.
Gmail didn't get to be market leader because of its product. Again I ask if Google has ever surveyed users about sort. The answer is "no", in spite of Keith's statement that you can request it by finding a suggestion box buried a few screens deep. Streibeck admitted sort has been a long standing request, but then went on to say that it's not a priority (giving a clumsy defence of why not - go watch the video clip). I polled a number of my MBA students and asked who used Gmail. Of those who said they did, the main reason was because when setting up a non-corporate email account they defaulted to gmail because they keep seeing it pushed on the Google search engine. When asked if they researched its features compared to other offerings the answer was unanimously no. I came to GMail because I needed something on my Blackberry and couldn't get my calendar to sync with my old email/ calendar platform. I have since gone back to the old platform and have found a work around for the calendar.
In any event, this for me is now an academic discussion. I do, however, get plenty of grist for the mill when teaching and consulting by being able to use many TC responses here as examples of how not to respond to users. Google must be aware of how these people respond and apparently don't care.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||2/21/13 9:49 AM|
........ and the bombardment continues.
My personal opinion (I am allowed one) is there are some who are not prepared to try using Search properly for fear they may either be unable to use it or they might find it better and will never admit they could be wrong. None of the TC's taking part in this thread have not used Sort and from what I see of it there has been no improvement to what it can do unless you add in the amount of processing power most modern computers have. Problem is going to be more and more are moving to cloud based machines such as the Ultrabooks and slates which don't allow for sort or the sharing of processor power.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ironsides||2/21/13 9:49 AM|
Things would be so much simpler if Google admitted up front officially that GMail doesn't sort and they have no intention of having it do so. I found this forum when using Help and searching on "sort". Instead of pointing me to this forum (and others) a simple "we don't do sort and never will" they gave some faint hope I would find a solution.
They then could say that they have search and if you want to use it go to (wherever) to learn how to use it.
TC's would get a lot more respect if they admitted that the sort functionality is missing, and that with a lot of learning, etc, etc, and extra clicks one can develop some sort of work around using search, although you will never get the true features of "simple sort" on a variety of criteria. Don't tell me I don't need it.
I, and others, keep "whinging" because when insulted we don't just put out tails between our legs and slink away. Like many others I have stopped being a Gmail user but do follow this for entertainment value as Terra put it. Her point is bang on when she said the title of this discussion is misleading - it should be "Gmail doesn't sort and never will but here are some tips on a poor substitute".....
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||2/21/13 9:54 AM|
Perhaps you would care to explain how it did manage to become the market leader in that case.
Incidentally, you can call me "Manny" or "The C Man" but there are other famous people who have the right to be called "C Man" or "CMan". Please offer the courtesy of addressing me by my known names.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ironsides||2/21/13 9:56 AM|
C Man: you once again fail to read and/or listen and instead choose to denigrate those who ask for sort functionality. Argumentum ad hominem is one of the worst (and most prevalent) fallacies. If you cannot defend your argument, attack the other person. Perhaps if I write it this way - I USE SEARCH WHEN SEARCH IS REQUIRED! I know how to use it but it won't replace sort. Other online platforms have it so stop with the BS about computing power.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||wdurham||2/21/13 10:22 AM|
Gmail doesn't sort.
In August it was stated by Striebeck that whilst it implementing Sort was not 100% ruled out, implementing Sort was low priority, because there were better ways of finding information using existing alternative methods.
I'm not sure how much more categoric you want the statement to be?
If sort is utterly critical to your use model and your work-flow, then you cannot use Gmail in the web interface. I would have thought that was 100% obvious?
So instead of sitting about moaning and complaining that you can't do what you want in Gmail, go and find a way to DO what you want in either another service or - if you are committed to Gmail for any reason - by using an email client. All clients convert Gmail's database to the familiar linear model where sorting is easy. So download your mail to an IMAP client on a regular basis, and then when you need to housekeep by sorting your mail, use the client to do the job.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Beverly J. Goldrup||2/21/13 11:25 AM|
Terra, excuse me, but I have FREQUENTLY written that I although I would like to have a sort function, but I am willing to work with a search function. Furthermore, I am not a "him" and have no interest in becoming an "Elder Advisor" as I do not work for Google.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||2/21/13 11:38 AM|
What can I say except "I told you so".
Thank you for proving my point.
If you cannot bring yourself to use the "The" or "Manny" please have the courtesy of exercising your thumb and using the space bar. There is a space between "C" and "Man" (where I live it is called the beach).
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||brian edwards||2/21/13 11:50 AM|
I must say that this thread has actually been illuminating, to see how I am not a target-audience anymore for google. For simple users like me who can use tech but love simplicity, easy 1-click sorting is kinda a deal-breaker.
Let's be honest, for the masses brand loyalty may rule for a while, but when something rubs the wrong way day-in-day-out, we'll change. Since gmail won't provide sorting again, and (believe-it-or-not) it's something I'm ALWAYS doing in hotmail/outlook, why stick around?
I'd much rather not use anything Microsoft-related. As in really, really rather not. But at the end of the day, I gotta be productive. And email sorting in other programs is dead-easy, without using 3-party apps or advanced functionality.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||2/21/13 11:59 AM|
Unless you are referring to Outlook.com then you can use gmail/outlook. Why do you need to use Hotmail?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Beverly J. Goldrup||2/21/13 12:33 PM|
It's time to move on to another topic to learn about gmail and other applications. I'm unsubscribing. Sorting or searching: do as you will. It's not the end of the world.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||gmailschool||2/21/13 4:41 PM|
ahhh lucky you beverly :-)
yup we know that this discussion is useless because "the representatif DO NOT have power/influence to top management" or event worst "representati get order from management to encounter and not to listen"
1. and please stop suggesting use thunderbird /or mail manger.
2. stop suggesting SEARCH -- you can open you dictionary and find what difference between SORT VS SEARCH.
CMan - actual people do post this - and spent time to give opinion / suggesting.
we know that money machine google.inc is YOUTUBE - advertising, ANDROID, PHONE.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Crazy Hound||2/21/13 5:14 PM|
This thread is unbelievable. The C Man forecast exactly what just happened. Are the rest of you so foreseeable?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ironsides||2/21/13 7:46 PM|
Sorry about the lack of "space"..... jeez. BTW, what does the "C" stand for (as it certainly isn't "Manny"). Is it curmudgeon? crusty? cantankerous? contemptuous? condescending? cranky? crotchety? etc, etc....
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ironsides||2/21/13 9:48 PM|
Your critique of my post is disappointing in that you have in the past most often responded as if you had read what was written. Unfortunately this isn’t the case this time.
In my post I stated that Google should state up front when a user clicks “help” on sorting that Gmail doesn’t Sort – don’t point to a plethora of fora where curmudgeons argue I don’t need it. I don’t need your statement on page 12 of some forum to hear this. As for plans to implement it or not, who would know that the video of Striebeck even existed unless somebody on the Google train mentioned it? Such as you..... It’s not as if I’m scanning YouTube to find such things. Sheesh. So, yes, Striebeck's statement was categorical (or sort of because he simply said it was a low priority, which come to think of it isn't categorical they won't deliver, but we really know they won't). Anyway, how many people even know this wishy-washy "categoric" [sic] statement exists?
So, please pay attention to what I wrote before you attempt to rebut - it was that one should immediately see "GMail doesn't sort" when Help for sorting is sought.
Second, you say that Striebeck’s argument was that “implementing Sort was low priority, because there were better ways of finding information using existing alternative methods”. Here’s what he said in the video around 56:30 (I believe my transcription is pretty accurate):
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|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||thedavegray||2/22/13 12:42 AM|
Did he actually say that sorting isnot that simple to implement or are you adding that to lend weight to your argument? Do you have any clue about software
development at all that you believe this is hard to do. Well I do, and I can tell you should take no more than one week for a single developer and that is based on 20+ years
as a software developer, your comments are based upon what exactly?
I do use Thunderbird every month or so to tidy my mail, point is I shouldn't have to. People come here to add numbers to the argument for SORT so that hopefully Google
may listen, fat chance. I wonder the motive for people like you and the C man... Possibly as mentioned before, the more you post the greater your ranking is. But do tell us
all, why do you feel the need to come on here and desperately try tell people they don't know what's best for them.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||KeithR||2/22/13 6:55 PM|
I was going to ignore this thread, but I can't help commenting on some of this.
On Friday, 22 February 2013 04:37:06 UTC+11, Ironsides wrote:
As I posted earlier in this thread, we TCs have almost no influence over Gmail design, we keep saying the same things, because the same things remain true. We can't make sort happen, so our most fruitful contribution is to attempt to explain to users how to get the best out of the existing product (as Beverley found to her advantage).
Gmail does sort by date + time, not by order of arrival (which would still be sorted by date anyway). It sorts by send date. If a message takes 12 hours to arrive, it is still sorted before a message that arrived earlier but was sent later. If you are viewing your Inbox when the message arrives, it will temporarily appear at the top of your Inbox, but it eventually appear at the proper place according to Send Date.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||KeithR||2/22/13 7:05 PM|
On Friday, 22 February 2013 19:42:34 UTC+11, thedavegray wrote:
Hi Dave, I win - 38 years in software development. Sort still might happen, but it's not easy. Remember that it has to be translated into 200+ languages, it has to be fitted into the rest of Gmail's infrastructure, etc. There are other things happening in Gmail world that are bigger. End of available public information.
We feel the need to come here, not to tell people what's good for them - wdurham (to whom you addressed your reply) has clearly not done that - but to give you correct expectations and alternative tools - exactly what wdurham put before you in the post you quoted.. If you want to put continues pressure on Google to add sort, the Suggest a Feature page is the page to go. I agree that TCs should attempt to remain polite and cool, setting a good tone for the Forum, but we are not paid representatives for Google and we often get fed up with people who just sit and "bay at the moon", especially people ignorant of the facts who make wild claims that "XXX is easy".
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ironsides||2/22/13 8:53 PM|
I understand what you're saying (really) and like the comment that you "attempt to explain to users how to get the best out of the existing product". That's great and kudos to you. What rankles a lot of us, however, is being told that we don't need sort, that we can do everything with search (which seems to be more of a CMan stance). This statement is, of course. not true. The attitude of Striebeck in the video we've talked about shows that he either doesn't understand why users are asking for "sort", or for some reason is pretending not to understand. This intransigence is like a red flag in front of a bull for many of us (or like the myth of a red flag in front of a bull).
I also know that in a different thread you indicated you wished sort were available, so let's just be honest and say depending on what you want maybe search might help, but if one is truly looking for a variety of sorts (subject, sender, size, attachments, read/ unread, etc), it's just not available.
As for whether email is entered into the inbox by arrival time or sent time seems like a trivial difference. I'll allow that you might see this as sorted, but unfortunately being unable to reorganize by "latest to earliest" or vice versa seems to me indicate a lack of sorting ability.
So, while not totally applicable to your particular responses, a little less confrontation and a little less hubris on behalf of some Google defenders would go a long way towards overall acceptance and civility on behalf of those seeking help.
You also indicate in another response that you have 38 years of experience in software development. While I'm not a developer per se (my PhD is in the management of IT), I have 32 years of managing s/w development groups. I always had to rein in the tech weenies who liked all these elegant s/w solutions which were, unfortunately, not so welcomed by users. The whole GUI innovation (dating back to the Xerox Star) imitates what we do in the non-digital world ("desktop", folders, trashcans instead of "del", "mouse" instead of "remote digitally activated pointing device", etc). In this non-digital world we sort things. It's how we organise. So let's keep up the fight to have "sort" made available, along with the enhanced search functionality that GMail brings.
As the Brits like to say, "keep your pecker up" and introduce blunt honesty into the discussion.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||2/23/13 4:58 AM|
Latest to earliest but you have to use the left hand arrow:
I had to do this a few days back to find some attached pictures somebody sent me a couple years back that he had lost.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||gmailschool||2/24/13 12:59 AM|
oke i am have 3 Phd in psikology + 23 Phd in mnagement IT and software
i always tech to spoiled user have use software to learn.
if any want ask why. or click HELP bottom than we wil asnwer this:
Remember that last dot.
and of cource "SORT" bottom is remove and at my webmail i will give HELP bottom:
and i suppose google need to suggesting to US PARLEMENT to remove word "SORT" from US Dictionary.
in "education psychopath" SORT mean sort way to click bottom and SEARCH is how to search bottom of sort. HAHAHAHAHAHAH
i am still confus "U say google have power full machine to running SEARCH very fast.... and say SORT is very havy process for google machine"
(ps: my title just joking heheheh)
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||gmailschool||2/24/13 1:16 AM|
ups sorry i forget .
SORT is sorting A- Z, 1-1000000 (and u only sort the spesifi table - not databases)
if any programing make "SORT CODE" they need to translate langg or sorting all people/account databases just for 1 account sort.
and do you thing YAHOO have small databases ?? why they can have SORT.
How do you solve "traffic jam" ??
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||KeithR||2/24/13 1:20 AM|
On Sunday, 24 February 2013 19:59:22 UTC+11, gmailschool wrote:oke i am have 3 Phd in psikology + 23 Phd in mnagement IT and software
That would be believable if you bothered to post in English instead of this odd txt-speak that makes your posts almost impossible to read. If English is not your first language, please post in your native language because the Forum provides Translations for us.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||gmailschool||2/24/13 4:57 PM|
SEARCH is diffrent with SORT.
that RIGHT "mnagement" if u USING SEARCH how do you find this one.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||gmailschool||2/24/13 5:05 PM|
if u have TITLE Phd or Prof -- but ur atitude is like first graduate student.
just remove or Phd title.
Phd or prof title is big burden for people who carried.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||2/25/13 4:41 AM|
Please post in your own language as we cannot understand what you are trying to say?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Suzan Orchard-Farris||2/28/13 5:10 PM|
WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES YOUR OPERATING SYSTEM MAKE?
EVERY OTHER MAJOR EMAIL ACCOUNT HAS THAT SORT FEATURE.
WHY IS THIS ONE SO ARCHAIC?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Suzan Orchard-Farris||2/28/13 5:14 PM|
You are condescending to folks who TEACH others how to use email.
I would never use Gmail to teach anyone anything.
It's archaic. Passe. Limited. Juvenile.
It takes too much time to search thru everything.
You have insulted the intelligence of many.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||2/28/13 6:46 PM|
I'm sorry you feel like that. I'm sure you have a much better knowledge of email systems including Gmail than I will ever have apart from the fact that Google is the one that is the most modern. Sort was used in most of the earlier emails systems and I believe Microsoft has now started offering Search as an option.
Please take over helping others here.
Unless you intended to SHOUT (considered bad manners) you should never post in all CAPS.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Suzan Orchard-Farris||2/28/13 9:03 PM|
Again, insulting to the intelligence of most adults.
The dumbing down of the people via the schools came first.
Followed by the dumbing down of the internet.
Microsoft is part of the problem.
Using search is inefficient and too restrictive.
I only use Gmail for very limited purposes because of it's limitations.
One can't insert a picture from copy and paste, etc. etc. etc.
Again, it's a time waster.
|The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/1/13 8:32 AM||<This message has been deleted.>|
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/1/13 8:41 AM|
Sorry but I tried something that does not work in the forum.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Paresh Thakker||3/1/13 9:20 AM|
I too am a very unsatisfied gmail customer. My eyeballs pay for your salary so stop making excuses and add this feature!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/1/13 9:52 AM|
How many adverts did you click on last year? How much revenue did you generate for Goolge?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||KeithR||3/1/13 6:40 PM|
Besides which, "your salary" doesn't apply to anyone who has posted in this thread.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Suzan Orchard-Farris||3/1/13 6:43 PM|
If you are talking about inserting your hometown coat of arms in an email to me... it did not work. :-)
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Steven C2013||3/1/13 10:01 PM|
I have to agree with the sentiments of frustration here. Not being able to sort by sender meant that it took me an awfully long time to just clean out my inbox, and also update my contacts and newsletters/email alerts on my new address. I gave gmail an 8 week trial, and found the limited sorting functionality, combined with the quirky (to me) way in which message threads were displayed to be counter intuitive and seriously inferior to the standard ways of hotmail, outlook, etc. Maybe if I had started with google i wouldn't think otherwise, but it felt too clever and as though they'd looked for alternative means just for the sake of being different, not being better. Of course the limited syncing capabilities of google mail and outlook calendars was also a disappointment - though that's just as likely to be Microsoft's fault. Anyway, good luck to all who remain with gmail.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/2/13 2:47 AM|
Suzan and Steven,
I feel this thread is far too long and like many others you have not read beyond the second page before jumping to the end and posting your comments which is a shame.
Checking for mail to and from anybody or company including newsletters can be accomplished in more than one way but for simplicity here are the two quickest.
You'll notice that neither of these needed you to do more than the minimum amount of work. You are probably used to Folders but Gmail has something different. Using Folders you have to create a copy of each piece of mail should you want it in more than one. In Gmail you can add more than one Label to any and all creating a cross referencing system so (using the previous advice) you will notice the Search Bar has been filled in and to the right hand end is a grey menu arrow which leads to creating filters which will add Labels. Want to tighten up further or find a specific piece of mail? Let's take a favourite sport one of my friends has and I only want to find the email from him.
In the Search bar I Delete the to:Alf to be left with from:alf to which I add tennis Wimbledon umpire so the search becomes from:alf tennis Wimbledon umpire and only the mail he has sent me (includes the conversation surrounding each but the will not be open to read) which contains the words tennis Wimbledon umpire will show.
If you want to learn a little more about the search terms you can use please read https://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=7190
Hopefully for Suzan:
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Suzan Orchard-Farris||3/2/13 7:34 PM|
You are condescending to a woman who was doing radiation therapy dosimetery in 1970 on a computer. I don't know how to search!????? OMG.
If I have a bunch of crap that I neglected to delete from god only knows who hanging out... how am I supposed to find them... search for JUNK I FORGOT TO DELETE?
You are beyond belief. And you justify the marginalization of people who don't think like you do... or sort like you do. Shame on you!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/2/13 9:03 PM|
I'm trying to help. Nothing condescending intended. We have no idea from here what if any IQ you have and since apparently you have not linked your profile to your posts here it is difficult to know what your history is comprised of. The fact that you are/were a radiologic technologist has no bearing on Search although I would think you have a fantastic knowledge of folders and sorting.
Not everybody has your knowledge of computers or believes that offers of help are condescending. I have accepted the help of others in photography and I was a professional. I never thought those that offered help were being condescending.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Suzan Orchard-Farris||3/3/13 7:29 AM|
Really? Why don't you read the number of posts where people ASK for a sort feature and just get it done instead of making excuses and offering advice that will not suffice for some folks.
Good thing I didn't ditch AOL and Yahoo for Gmail. Just set it up to do chats with my daughter... thought I'd try it and have decided to keep what I have.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||wdurham||3/3/13 9:13 AM|
Look, Suzan - you can tell off other people all you like,
But the fact remains that Gmail does not sort messages by sender, by subject, by size of attachment and all the other things people want. Nor is it likely to implement sorting in the near or medium term. It is low-priority.
So all we can do here is point you towards other ways in which you can find the emails you are looking for when you use the Gmail web interface.
If sorting is a must for you, because you don't know what you are looking for, and sorting is the only way you can discover what's in your account that might need dealing with, then use an email client which does do sorting or find another email service provider.
Gmail assumes that most reasonable people manage their accounts as they go along and have a good idea of what's in their accounts. If you don't do that, and have to have big clearouts using sorting techniques because you have no clue about your account contents, then Gmail is not for you and you should be using some other service which will cater to your messy email habits. :-)
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ty Wickline||3/3/13 9:55 AM|
I want the ability to sort my email/inbox by Sender. Please help.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/3/13 11:26 AM|
All the emails to and from that contact will be found.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/3/13 11:39 AM|
You don't need to even open Gmail to Chat with your daughter. Google + does that including using Hangouts for video chats. Yahoo has it's own chat system http://messenger.yahoo.com/ as does AOL http://aim.aol.co.uk/ but I have a feeling your daughter will not use either of those or you would not be here complaining about an email system you have no intention of using.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Gd Dickens||3/3/13 12:07 PM|
I am dropping gmail due the difficulty with sorting messages.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ironsides||3/3/13 12:12 PM|
So, according to your response, those who want the sort function are unreasonable, clueless, and have messy habits among other bad characteristics. Very classy comment. Oh dear, why can't we all be so virtuous as you.
BTW, I suppose when you empty the washing machine you don't sort the laundry. Instead you search for "socks, black" one by one, and then "socks - white" one by one while not organising the other laundry you go through while doing that. Must be you have no clue what you washed or are prepared to do repetitive, inefficient searches. Or perhaps somebody else does your laundry.
The reason people coming to this forum get frustrated is that this is one of the spots to which one is directed when one seeks help on sorting. It is then assumed that responses are from Google representatives, not "amateurs" who have little to no influence over Gmail design. Then, these so called helpers keep telling us that is our failure for wanting the ability to sort, for failing to drink the Google koolaid.
To those wanting sort and search, I recommend Yahoo Plus! For around 5¢ per day I get a very good sort function, pretty good search, no ads, unlimited storeage, up to 200 filters, POP access, real help when needed (not snarky condescension), etc, etc. I am not a Yahoo employee but a user who had moved to Google when it came on my android device and thought I would save the 5¢/ day. Then seeking "gmail sort" I ended up here and realised how good I had had it with Yahoo.Thankfully I had not deleted my Yahoo account and have moved back. I suggest to others seeking help who end up here to check out other options, and leave those who wish to proselytize on behalf of Google to their own devices.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/3/13 12:22 PM|
I'm always searching for matching socks. It's a natural law that one half of each pair will be washed while the other half is somewhere under the bed.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ironsides||3/3/13 12:42 PM|
you should only buy socks of one colour and then no problem. It's like knowing exactly what's in your inbox so you don't have to sort.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Beverly J. Goldrup||3/3/13 2:51 PM|
Folks, there really is no reason for this animosity all these personal attacks. I have no doubt that most here have a high degree of technical sanity.
There's no point in attacking the messenger(s). If sort is a low priority, it's a low priority. (The provider is, after all, free.) The company IS listening: they're not ready to implement a sort function.
That's it. You have your answer. No sort for now. Next topic?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||gmailschool||3/3/13 5:55 PM|
Next topic.... ( let's learn how to use SEARCH bottom )
C man can u HELP me to search or find email with wrong typing and or with space
example : ( but we don't know if the sender is miss type)
best regards and thx very much for ur help c man
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/3/13 6:28 PM|
If you make a mistake in the original then you need to make the same mistake in the search. Sorry but this is one area where soft data is not used. Make sure your browser's spell check is on. If the sender cannot spell then you have no chance but that's the same in Sort as well. If you mean you misspelled "managemant" in the search bar then try it for yourself as it will ask if you meant "management". If you try "l e a r n" it will automatically find all those with "learn" in as well.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||KeithR||3/3/13 6:51 PM|
I agree with C Man here. @gmailschool, can you teach us how you would use Sort to find such errors?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||gmailschool||3/3/13 9:02 PM|
oh i am sory than my english is not as good as you c man. but if i use google translate than i thing u will read ALIENT languange - because google translate almost translate word - by word.
BUT just like i post before- this is "FORUM" not "DESERTATION".
i thing we agree to change topic ?
but i thing event SORT is "useless" for google u must try it for just ur experient.
OKE example for "l e a r n"
2. if use "SORT" than just sort it and go to "l" section and u can estimate page to find "l e a r n"
SUGESTION for google develop:
PS . if this DESERTATION than i will put in trash c-man typing, sory i usualy do that for typing like ur writing. you not read what i mean.
THE attitude is not good for GOOGLE "OFFICIAL FORUM".
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/4/13 2:26 AM|
Unfortunately due to a language problem it is difficult to understand what you are asking so please post in your own language.
Guessing at what you are asking there is no search term to find: misspelled words
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||gmailschool||3/4/13 5:29 PM|
c man - cman if u can not answer the quetion PLEASE don't "deliberately diverting the subject"
what i show u search and sort have diffrent purpose.
what i doing right know is try to discenchant "C-MAN" to repent from bad attitude and if cman are STUPID than don't pretend get smart and try to diverting the subject. if you wrong just say sorry - if you can not answer than say sorry - if you can not read daily english just say sorry.
i don't try to get sort any more (useless) but to ask you to quit from google represented. YOU surely not qualify and just like another post say "DU***SS"
thx very much
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/4/13 5:44 PM|
Your language is not the English we speak in English speaking countries so please tell us where you come from.
Your question is not answerable as you have phrased it so please use your own language and we will use the Google Translator to turn it into English.
Please read the opening guidelines in https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!forum/gmail specifically "Read the posting guidelines. Your posts should also be related to the question or discussion to which you are responding, and above all, be nice to each other." and use the posting guidelines.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||gmailschool||3/4/13 8:00 PM|
your the first person BREAK the regulation of POSTING GUIDELINES
people ask for sort you post about search and thunderbird
you insulted people - and do bad thing to other posting. (just read from the top what you have done)
you ask people to be nice but you do worst things
you pretend become "DU****ss" and "deverting subject" by insulted can not read my language.
you don't ANSWER what the question at all---- just play become "Dum***ss" pretending "stu**d" and right know you try to DIVERTING the subject - even worst for representation customer service. c man in scient psicology you include person who have ***** mentality.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||KeithR||3/4/13 9:30 PM|
@gmailschool, putting stars in the words doesn't make them any less offensive - you are the first poster to use offensive words in this segment of the thread. Please stop. I don't know why you are getting angry, because C Man is quite accurate in saying that your posts are extremely difficult for us to understand. I cannot understand why you should claim to be writing in "daily english" because it is clear that you are not.
While I would probably agree that C Man is pushing this issue too hard, we have explained our situation here several times: we can only provide ideas as to how to use the existing Gmail. IMHO, it is not "changing the subject" to try to help people to use existing Gmail facilities when what is being asked for, cannot be given.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||gmailschool||3/5/13 12:13 AM|
i thing u can see another post .. just open from the top post and read carefully every post u can see how c man insulted people.
just like "gmailschool post *** must remove or some thing like that" and another post even not give star for that.
keith are you old as your pic ? maybe you forget some post back there ?
... THIS IS FORUM not THESIS or DESERTATION
WHY C MAN CARE SO MUCH ABOUT MISTYPE / MISSPELL OR MUST USE OFFICIAL TYPING.
JUST ANSWER IT AND ADMIT IT.
ps 1. C MAN is THE FIRST in this FOrum WHO I*** Me or mybe another Posted. please READ all POst.
PS 2 KeithR it is you Official TYping ? are you EnglisH TeachER ? do you thing your writing is RIght for DEsertatION PapeR ?
ups soryy - or sorryyyyy -- certainly change the TOPIC subject and attach WRITING Style another PostEdddddddd
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||gmailschool||3/5/13 12:27 AM|
i posted back there.
SORRY Google know SORT VS SEARCH is diffrent function and we caN not give SORT facility and we NOT have ContacT list From "google development". and we do not know contact our BOss for this problem.
not by lower the function "SORT" and say SOrt is for D***** if u Smart usE Search !!!
and PEOPLE Will argument about Function SORT dan SEARCH.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/5/13 1:50 AM|
I'm sorry for being so dense but this has to be a wind up. Well done for being so convincing. Please contact me through my profile as I would like to know who you really are.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Joolsus||3/5/13 10:41 AM|
just use "em client".
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||gmailschool||3/5/13 6:23 PM|
hehehehe relaxy c man don't get angry.
I not get angry and not be offended I did not even care at all.
it is just warm up - so forum not become bored. :-)
just open your mind widely. some times we thing that our brain is 100% work but.... who know there is antoher brain who run at 120% cpu over clock.
i thing this forum is become clear and I did not needed in this forum any more.
ps. from start i use thunderbird to consolidate all my e-mail - i have 7 diffrent email for each purpose - log and backup and other.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/5/13 6:38 PM|
You are a self classified troll and what you think of as a joke was time wasting so how about you make it up by trying to help other posters who have real problems?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Audrey K||3/6/13 2:22 PM|
Me too. I have been using Gmail for years with an offline reader, so I never have to deal with the online interface. Yuck. The reader is coming to the end of its useful life so I will need to find another--or, as others have pointed out, take my business elsewhere at great inconvenience.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ironsides||3/6/13 7:19 PM|
I and many others have made the switch to another provider. It's the question of short term pain for long term gain. Simply have your Google Mail forwarded to your new address then wean your correspondents off of your old address. You'll find other providers provide you with what you need when Google doesn't.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/6/13 10:33 PM|
Unless Thunderbird is coming to a halt it's specifically designed to go with Gmail. Which is the one that's coming to a halt?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/6/13 10:37 PM|
Thank you for your invaluable comment. I believe it's part of the advice you were given some months ago by a couple of TC's.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ironsides||3/6/13 11:09 PM|
You're welcome. In the end, people will vote with their cyber feet. So many want the sort function without resorting to third party apps, and there are other platforms that provide both search and sort, along with a host of other benefits. So, every once in awhile somebody should just point out that there are other options besides trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear by sticking with Gmail.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||thedavegray||3/7/13 1:47 AM|
Unless Thunderbird is coming to a halt it's specifically designed to go with Gmail. Which is the one that's coming to a halt?
That is complete tosh. Thunderbird is an email cleint that works with lots of email system, to say it's specifically designed for Gmail is just plain wrong.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Deborah Ellis||3/7/13 9:03 AM|
Me too, it is crazy that a simple function such as sorting your inbox is so primative. Good bye GMail!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Audrey K||3/7/13 9:24 AM|
Embarrassed to admit: I've been using Eudora. It has been unsupported since 2006 or 2007... and when I finally upgrade my really old Windows machine it probably won't work any more. I looked into Thunderbird a while back--I'll check it out again.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/7/13 5:28 PM|
According to Mozilla it was originally designed (as Firefox was designed to work with Google) to work with Gmail. Some other email systems are able to use it (not all) just as Outlook will.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||thedavegray||3/8/13 12:37 AM|
According to Mozilla it was originally designed (as Firefox was designed to work with Google) to work with Gmail. Some other email systems are able to use it (not all) just as Outlook will
I don't believe either of those was designed specifically for Google products which is what you originally claimed, they may use Google APIs but that's hardly the same. Thunderbird connects to POP and IMAP servers, again hardly Google specific...
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Beverly J. Goldrup||3/8/13 8:10 AM|
When I initially asked for help, I really hated not being able to sort and was annoyed and frustrated with gmail. I can now organize my messages quite nicely without one now that I understand the mechanisms by which it works. In writing this statement, that does not mean I am insulting anyone by accusing people of not understanding how gmail works.
I started using gmail the way it was designed based on Manny's and Wendy's feedback. I've discovered I like the search and label interface a lot. Now that I've got a better grasp on the system, I'm finding filtering and labeling a nice feature that does a great job of organizing my inbox. I recently set up a filtering/labeling system for a friend. It's working well for him: he likes it. A lot.
I'd still like a sort function and think gmail would be a far more powerful tool if it were included, but am finding it extremely easy to manage my incoming mail via the gmail interface as designed. You may not like gmail's interface. You don't have to: it's about user preference. My suggestion is that you use what's best for your particular tastes.
Can we now agree to disagree and use this forum for its intended purpose: to seek help in understanding gmail's interface.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||bkc56||3/8/13 11:31 AM|
Nice post Beverly, thanks.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/8/13 11:43 AM|
Thank you so much for coming back and adding your support.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ironsides||3/9/13 9:11 PM|
A positive post, Beverly. The unfortunate thing is that this forum is labelled "sort gmail.....", not "understanding gmail's interface". People come here to learn how to sort, as they are led here through Gmail help. The frustration you read is that instead getting nice straight answers, we get the "you don't need sort" responses. I would suggest that you start another forum labelled "understanding the gmail interface" or "overcoming gmail's lack of sort function". That way you won't have to suffer the frustration of those actually thinking this forum does what it is labelled.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||KeithR||3/10/13 12:29 AM|
Ironsides, the label on this Forum is "Google Product Forums >> Gmail". The question asked was titled "Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender". The straight answer is Gmail doesn't do that. This answer was given in the third reply quoted below. Just because you don;t like the answer doesn't mean you weren't given a straight answer.
On Sunday, 11 December 2011 00:14:35 UTC+11, Gouty - TC Gмαιℓ & Cнroмє Rιsιng Stαr wrote:
Well that is not possible in Gmail.
Both this Forum and this thread do exactly as they are labelled.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/10/13 7:08 AM|
I used Sort yesterday on a Blackberry Playbook due to the fact it could not use Search without going to the Desktop version of Gmail which I was not prepared to do. First time ever. It was not easy to find a single email even knowing who sent it.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ironsides||3/10/13 3:13 PM|
You're going to "win" just because one gives up trying to help others understand why one is frustrated. But...
The first post in this set of communications (which to me is one of the number of fora under GMail help which is a meta-forum or whatever) is "I want the ability to easily sort my email by sender, date, or subject...." or the poster will drop GMail. The second post is "Who said we don't have the feature?" The third post is "I want a three separate buttons or equivalent at the top of the list of messages " which in the fourth post (third reply) is "Well that is not possible in Gmail.", an answer to the use of buttons, not sort....
So, the answers are not straightforward as any impartial observer would note.
Aside from the use of the words "forums", or "threads", or whatever, this particular set of communications is headed "sort gmail....", not "how do I get around the lack of sort in gmail". When I click on help in both Yahoo! and Hotmail and ask for help on sort, I get help on sort. This help is provided by the system, not a bunch of non-employees trying to convince people of a point of view.
When I click on Help in Gmail and seek support on sort, the system should be explicit in saying sort is not provided. When I search in Gmail help with "sort email" or "sort gmail by sender" or any other combination of words I have been unsuccessful finding anything, always getting the response "did not match any answers". If one does a general google search outside of gmail on "gmail sort", the first result that comes up is "Gmail tips" with the following content:
"Ok, you're probably used to sorting messages in your Inbox by name, subject, date and so on, and wondering how to do the same in Gmail. Fortunately, it's really easy! Instead of sorting messages, however, you search for them. "
Really straightforward, right? Sorting is really easy using search. Come on. And so it goes, in forum after forum, thread after thread.
So, unfortunately, Keith, this Forum (this thread?) do NOT do exactly as they are labelled. You use doublespeak, as is clearly show above. So I go back to my original comment, this thread is mislabelled.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/10/13 3:49 PM|
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Beverly J. Goldrup||3/10/13 5:26 PM|
I completely empathize with you. I came here with the exact same frustration (and annoyance) when I realized I couldn't sort. Now that I understand the gmail interface, I like it a lot. However, you make an excellent point that the thread is mislabeled. That's why we're dealing with a lot of back-and-forth here.
Keith, I agree with Ironsides: he makes a valid point. As an ex-technical writer, I found "Google Product Forums >> Gmail > Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender" misleading... that there was a way to sort that I didn't understand. Am I right that people here are trying to convey that people are not requesting that gmail change: it's on how the forums are constructed and organized? If the straight answer is "gmail doesn't do that," then we need to know what it DOES do up front. (And, it does do a lot of very cool things.)
Following up on Ironsides' idea, if someone searches for "sort," "how to sort," or any phrase with the key word "sort," they can be redirected to an overview page that links to subheadings on how to use gmail. (For example, I started out by searching "gmail sort.") The term "sort" could act as a trigger to redirect users to a set of instructions like this:
Ok, you're probably used to sorting messages in your Inbox by name, subject, date and so on, and wondering how to do the same in gmail. Fortunately, it's really easy! Instead of sorting messages, you search for them.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ironsides||3/10/13 7:59 PM|
Well put, Beverly. As one who has had to vet and approve user manuals, I still have a quibble (and for you as a former writer I'm sure you'll understand) with your preamble to the set of proposed instructions. It is the phrasing currently on the web: "Ok, you're probably used to sorting messages in your Inbox by name, subject, date and so on, and wondering how to do the same in gmail. Fortunately, it's really easy!" That leads one to think that somehow one will get a sorted inbox using search. That clearly won't happen.
Instead, the preamble should read something like "Gmail does not sort in the classic sense, so you will not be able to re-organize your inbox based on sorting criteria such as name, subject, date and so on. Instead GMail relies on you searching for specific items or groups of items using..... etc etc)". The interview with Striebeck showed how he didn't grasp sort versus search, as he indicated that we sort in order to find specific things. The responses in the various fora from the so-called TC's reflect this thinking.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||bkc56||3/10/13 8:54 PM|
I believe the sort vs search debate is reflective of the use-model people have. I used an installed e-mail client (Pocomail) for years at home, and Outlook for a couple decades at work. Both support sorting which I almost never used. I still use Outlook at work but now Gmail at home. I still don't/can't sort, and I don't have any problems. For whatever reason, when I want to find something I think of searching first (not sorting). I'm not saying there's anything wrong with sorting, and it would satisfy a (perceived) need for Gmail to support it. But personally, I don't miss it.
Also, a really well-written help article along the lines of what Beverly outlined above might do a lot to help people make the mental transition from dependency on sort to efficient use of search.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||KeithR||3/10/13 9:09 PM|
So, Ironsides, if you ask a question on this Forum "How does Gmail enable me to fly to the moon" and I answer, "Sorry, Gmail can't do that" that is not straight forward? The only answer that is "straight forward" is to tell you how? What an idiot you are!
[Eidt: Don't bother replying to that, I've unsubscribed from this question]
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ironsides||3/10/13 9:30 PM|
I see Keith has offered his opinion, and left. Too bad.
This is from the google website, as quoted earlier.
This is from this forum, as quoted earlier:
""Who said we don't have the [sort] feature?"
I'll leave the readers to consider whether these comments are straightforward that Gmail doesn't sort, and then decide who's the idiot, as I won't sink to name calling.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/10/13 9:44 PM|
The actual advice quoted is in https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_P8RGG1WXTlu9W8qpaT3Vw82HzgwVNLr3DSqBCosFdw/edit and the first paragraph should be quoted in full. Leaving the remainder of it unquoted is as good as misquoting.so in full:
"Ok, you're probably used to sorting messages in your Inbox by name, subject, date and so on, and wondering how to do the same in Gmail. Fortunately, it's really easy! Instead of sorting messages, however, you search for them. Searching is easy, and it's much more powerful than sorting - once you learn a few tricks! In this tip, we'll look at using keyword searches to help you quickly find messages from a specific person or with a specific subject".
It's also worthwhile following through the links at the end of the article.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ironsides||3/10/13 10:09 PM|
If you look at my original quote, I did include the sentence "instead of sorting messages, however, you search for them". The remainder of the quote you offer is simply amplification of this sentence. So I was not misquoting or obfuscating (or perhaps you didn't read my original comment and missed that).
Nevertheless, initially being told that sorting messages by various criteria is "really easy", one is led to believe that perhaps Google uses "search" in a semantically different way than one is used to in English. You'll have to agree the quote does say sorting message by name, subject, etc is easy, regardless of what follows. So one carries on to try to find out how one can use search in order to sort. It is only after reading the links at the end of the article, and all of the other bumpf, that it becomes clear that you CANNOT sort messages in your inbox by the various sort criteria, but one is never clearly told that. The second sentence we both quoted is clearly wrong and misleading.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/11/13 4:19 AM|
Like you I hate something that says one thing and immediately contradicts itself (Politicians are included in that statement) so I have raised the issue and asking for it to be rephrased.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ironsides||3/11/13 11:52 AM|
CMan.... sounds good. Another thing as Beverly suggested is to clearly state what GMail cannot do, so that little time is wasted seeking a solution which doesn't exist. Thanks.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/11/13 1:15 PM|
Sorry Ironsides but I will not ask for that as what may not be possible today may be in a month's time but because it has been said it can't do it nobody will try it.
Sounds rather like the Blackberry Superbowl Ad but I cannot get my Z10 to make my morning coffee and it definitely makes a mess of adding the correct amount of sugar.
|Beverly J. Goldrup||3/11/13 3:25 PM||<This message has been deleted.>|
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Beverly J. Goldrup||3/11/13 3:37 PM|
Ironsides and Cman,
Gmail does something better than sort: it searches!
"Ok, you're probably used to sorting messages in your Inbox by name, subject, date and so on, and wondering how to do the same in Gmail. Fortunately, it's really easy! Instead of sorting messages, however, you search for them. Searching is easy, and it's much more powerful than sorting - once you learn a few tricks! In this tip, we'll look at using keyword searches to help you quickly find messages from a specific person or with a specific subject".I agree with bkc56: the sort vs. search question is a user issue. I'm not missing the sort function at all, now. We're all intelligent people here. Name calling and snide remarks do nothing more than hinder solutions.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Heiko Schaefer||3/13/13 12:42 AM|
Thank you Ironsides for "maintaining the rage" so to speak.
If my house/garage is full of stuff and if I want to find something specific then anything that would help me find it easily and quickly is appreciated (search --> find). So full marks to Gmail for that
On the other hand, if I want to bring some order into the clutter so I can decide what to do next I need help in separating the clutter into meaningful (to me) piles for further action (sort --> appropriate action).
As to gauging the demand for an ordering function in Gmail how difficult would it be for Google to have a pop-up question before log-in asking users if a sort functions is important to them. I wouldn't be at all surprised to have an overwhelming 'Yes' majority.
BTW just noticed that the spellcheck here doesn't recognize 'Gmail' lol
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||bkc56||3/13/13 12:55 AM|
On the other hand, if I want to bring some order into the clutter so I can decide what to do next I need help in separating the clutter into meaningful (to me) piles for further action (sort --> appropriate action).
Actually, that sounds more like labels ("meaningful piles").
Using a household analogy, a more appropriate example would be sorting your DVDs into alphabetical order (or books, records, etc). But even that is just to help you search for a specific title faster. And an alpha sort by title would be useless if you were looking for a movie by a particular actor (John Wayne), or a genre (Sci-Fi), or character (Dirty Harry). There'd be little need for sorting if you could walk up to the bookshelf and say/type "The Avengers" and have that DVD highlighted for you to grab.
Speaking of which, "Summer Wars". I'll be back in two hours. ;-)
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Heiko Schaefer||3/13/13 4:19 AM|
Your cd collection sample is irrelevant to what users are asking for.
Can we agree that an email account can contain a lot of information (data). Some users here have referred to thousands of messages in their inbox that they want to get a handle on?
Can we also agree that the best way of organizing a large amount of data that you cannot no longer manage to hold/massage in your head is with the aid of a database?
Now any database system worth its name allows users to both search and order data according to their needs. All users are asking here is for Google to provide them with the most basic of ordering capabilities i.e. by sender, date etc.
Anyway, I have got the message that Google is not interested so enough said.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/13/13 7:10 AM|
Please explain why you keep thousands of emails in your Inbox. Does all your family throw all their clothes into one heap? Do you just have a large barrel in which you throw all your drinks whether they be cordials, alcoholic beverages, soups or beverages? Bet somebody separates them.
You have the options of filtering to Labels and archiving at the same time. I have just short of 40,000 emails of which 1,124 are in my Inbox and I can find any one of the 40,000 using Search probably faster than anybody could using Sort.
We keep saying if you really need to Sort because nothing else will do then use a third party such as Thunderbird or Outlook which will also provide a backup.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Beverly J. Goldrup||3/13/13 8:38 AM|
Just to be helpful, here's the advanced search link at the very beginning of this forum from months ago: . Then, there's the shortcut link, which was really helpful, also. This is the way gmail works. I hope it helps. About the database analogy: don't we use a search method, also, to gather meaningful piles (nicely put) of data sets?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||wdurham||3/13/13 10:08 AM|
Let's try a real analogy.
We all get snail mail.
We get junk amongst it. We get complete rubbish amongst it. We get stuff which isn't actually junk, but is not very relevant to us right now. We get mail which might be relevant in the future, so we decide to keep it. We get current real relevant stuff, which we act on and deal with and reply to. And we do this on a day to day basis with the stuff that drops through our letter boxes or into the mailboxes for our house/apartment.
Does anyone actually leave their snail mail in a heap in the hallway till they get around to it weeks or months down the line? Or do you sort it out as it arrives so you don't have to do it later? Why should it be different with electronic mail?
Of course, if you don't do any management of incoming mail - real or electronic - then yes, you might need to be able to sort. With snail mail, that would mean standing over your huge great pile in the hallway, and sorting it into alphabetical order so you could see which letters came from the same person and which were from different people, and could then act appropriately.
But I can't imagine anyone would actually DO that with their snail mail. I am sure most people check their mailbox/letterbox most days, chuck away the rubbish, save some for future reference, and then deal with the good stuff.
So why do it with electronic mail?
If you manage your email in the same way you manage your snail mail, then there is no reason to need sort in the first place, because you've got a good idea of what you've got and have already classified most of it and taken it out of your Inbox into more relevant areas in your account.
I suspect that was the basis on which Gmail was built - that people would probably classify or manage their mail as it arrived, just like they do their snailmail. All the tools to do that are freely provided. It probably never occurred to Google that there were any closet mail hoarders out there who never opened or read or acted upon any of their mail, but left it to accumulate in a huge heap and then got to it every 3 months or so.....
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Marcia Sichol||3/14/13 1:40 PM|
yes, please give us the ability to sort by name, etc.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/14/13 2:10 PM|
Open Contacts > hover over the names which are in alphabetic order to show the hover cards > click on "Emails" in the card and it will show you all in chronological order.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Abe Troyer||3/16/13 11:33 PM|
I want the ability to easily sort my email by sender, date, or subject. If you do not provide this feature soon I will drop Gmail and move on to another email provider that does provide this feature.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||bkc56||3/16/13 11:37 PM|
If you do not provide this feature soon I will drop Gmail and move on to another email provider that does provide this feature.
There are several to choose from with various pros and cons when compared to Gmail. Be sure to post which one you select so others will have that information. Good luck.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Rosemary Hackett||3/20/13 8:14 AM|
Even the ancient Juno, which I used first for email, provides the sort by clicking on the column heading! Can't believe Gmail specs didn't include this feature. Juno also provides a box for searching for a name, maybe a one-time email where the sender's address wasn't added to the contact list. So, just do it now! Assign a few people to do this instead of making a few more fancy screen designs for the Google logo....
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/20/13 11:40 AM|
I had no idea somebody wanted to travel back to the past as much as I however I would like to be the age I was then.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Genette Flynn||3/23/13 5:50 PM|
I want to look for some old messages that were archived to folders in may june 2010
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||bkc56||3/23/13 11:37 PM|
OK. Is that a question somehow?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/23/13 11:55 PM|
After Label: type in the name of it (could show as a suggestion) and then space after with the date in the order shown followed by space and before in the same way. Remember the colons.
label:whatever after:2004/04/16 before:2004/04/18
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||nidhi.r nair||3/24/13 8:04 AM|
i am not able to change the view of the emails. If i want to delete one email it deletes all the previous emails and show all of them as one email. Any solution to this. i had this problem in hotmail which was changed to outlook but i could change to view to date wise and the problem was solved. i am not able to search this in gmail.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/24/13 11:34 AM|
Use the Settings cog > Settings > turn off Conversation View but you can use the menu arrow (next to Reply) to choose "delete this message".
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Nick Micozzi||3/25/13 3:56 PM|
Are there any usability experts here?
Search <> Sort
and Search is not better.
that is a crazy opinion that completely disregards plenty of legitimate user flows and tasks.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/25/13 4:35 PM|
Take a look through the previous posts last five or six pages and you'll find advice on how to use Search but unfortunately none of the proponents of Sort have shown how it is faster or more usable so far.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Beverly J. Goldrup||3/26/13 1:31 AM|
I was a "sort" person; now I like "search" better. I really, really hated not being able to sort. You can set up a "tasks" label and put a "pending" and "completed" sub-labels. Now that I've set up my labels and filters, I go through my inbox and folders (labels) at lightning speed. I've always been one to filter mail into folders: turns out the label/filtering option is almost identical to how I set up my email before. I'm a usability expert and ex-technical writer. It took a bit of getting used to but it's working well for me.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Wizard232||3/26/13 2:39 AM|
I would download your messages using windows mail or something (even though i hate windows mail) and then cancel your gmail account. If they are not going to give us what we want/need, then as others have put it. let them lose the accounts like netflicks and Bank of America.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/26/13 3:14 AM|
First time of posting and you apparently capable of giving such competent knowledge as to advise somebody to use something you personally hate seems only moderately helpful. Could have been even more helpful if you had advised something you had found you do like. Please explain to Windows Mail/Microsoft why you hate it so much and perhaps they will change it for you.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Wizard232||3/27/13 3:01 AM|
Your right, over 30 years of using computers, at least 15 years fixing computers and tech support. At least 20 years of software recommendation, 3 years of writing tech manuals, and about 10 years of dealing with building web sites. I think this makes me "capable" and "competent knowledge".
The discussion's focus is not on what i like about Gmail, otherwise maybe I would have.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||3/27/13 3:13 AM|
"over 30 years of using computers, at least 15 years fixing computers and tech support. At least 20 years of software recommendation, 3 years of writing tech manuals, and about 10 years of dealing with building web sites. I think this makes" you capable of creating the perfect email system which we will all join.
If you have not found an email supplier you don't hate then the next best thing is probably Gmail.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||CarlosOnline||4/1/13 10:33 AM|
i now hesitate to recommend gmail b/c of its cruddy UI. Not adding this feature is abusive
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ron Blouch||4/1/13 11:23 AM|
Good lord. Really? I can't sort by subject, sender, recieved, etc? Is that really possible?
I moved to Gmail because I needed to move my business to the cloud. I spend much of my time pounding my head against the wall at the absence of simple, easy, obvious functionality like this. FIX THE PROBLEM - GOOGLE!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||A Christensen||4/1/13 11:54 AM|
I cut and pasted the subject line from one of the emails I had into the advanced search on the subject line, but gmail did not return ANY emails.
Accuracy Related Penalties.
The federal tax laws authorize the Internal Revenue Service in some cases
to impose an accuracy related penalty on an underpayment of tax. Under IRS
regulations governing federal tax practice, any tax advice in this
communication is not intended or written by us to be used, and cannot be
used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding penalties that may be imposed by any
governmental taxing authority or agency, or (ii) promoting, marketing or
recommending to another party any matters addressed herein.
This E-mail is confidential. It may also be legally privileged. If you are
not the addressee you may not copy, forward, disclose or use any part of
it. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and all
copies from your system and notify the sender immediately by return E-mail.
Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely, secure, error or
virus-free. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||4/1/13 12:14 PM|
You need to replace the spaces with underscores if you are searching for a phrase. Accuracy Related Penalties would become Accuracy_Related_Penalties
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Joselma Dias||4/3/13 3:26 PM|
i cant find a email send to me on 03/07/13 fromConsulado Brasil Boston
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||4/3/13 3:49 PM|
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Bernadette Horan||4/23/13 10:46 PM|
I have win 7 and use internet ezplorer, how can I sort my email by sender?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||shorty82||4/24/13 4:32 AM|
If you had read the post marked Best Answer (directly below the original post) you would know the answer already, you can't. Gmail does not offer sort, instead they offer one of the best email search systems anywhere as searching returns better and more accurate results. You can search by sender, subject, etc. easily.
Advanced search - Gmail help
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Terra Saylor||4/24/13 6:36 AM|
What's adorable is that you seem to think that only google has such a feature. Outlook.com not only has the sort everyone is looking for, but also a new sweep feature that allows you to write mail rules on the fly as you are sorting through your mail. Overall, it's a much more functionally complete product. And guess what? It has a search feature too!
What's more, I've had to stop recommending paid google services as well. Google apps sync doesn't work with Outlook 2013, and the only responses from reps have been "in a matter of weeks not months" and "April 23rd" which has come and gone. Even PAID services don't work properly and they've had access to Outlook 2013 for over a year to develop.
In short, Google really bit off more than it could chew. When it was just a search engine with basic mail it was great. Now it's trying to branch out into too many directions and ALL of them are mediocre at best. They not only turn their backs on their home users, they have also turned their backs on their corporate users.
Bad form, Google. Bad form.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Boris Yuriditsky||4/25/13 7:56 AM|
Be careful with statement that 350 millions are happy. EVERYONE I know (at least 50 out of 50) is very unhappy with Gmail interface. Not many of them complain, but we try to find an alternative. When we find it, it'll be too late for Gmail.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||wdurham||4/25/13 8:18 AM|
The point is that Gmail was built on search from the start. It was never intended to implement sorting. And sorting has never been implemented, and whilst not ruled out, is very low priority.
So if you simply cannot live without sorting, either don't use Gmail - which never had the feature since Day One, was never intended to have the feature and probably never will - or pull Gmail into an email client and sort it there.
See this launch article - if you signed up to Gmail expecting it to be exactly the same as Hotmail or Yahoo then you should really have read a bit more widely before you did that.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Terra Saylor||4/25/13 9:39 AM|
Oh don't worry - people have moved away from gmail and continue to do so. The features just aren't there and the customer service even for the paid apps is atrocious.
For me, sorting was the dealbreaker. I keep this account for follow this thread and one other relating to the google apps sync, but soon I won't even need to do that because I am recommending our clients move to Office 365 instead. Keep your search "feature", which isn't even all that special since search has been around since vi. I mean, really? Gmail's claim to fame is that you can do a /search?
I sorted my mail, found what I wanted, swept all the mails like it to a folder AND wrote a rule to handle subsequent messages in the time it took you to think about what you wanted to find and start typing in your "search". Good luck with that. Most of us don't want to create handicaps for ourselves. We don't have the time. I think that this is my last post in this thread. I'm more than happy with the improvements to live mail and the elegant way they have handled the web interface. Maybe gmail will catch up sometime. Maybe.
To the rest of you - it isn't coming. Google doesn't care.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ironsides||4/25/13 10:06 AM|
Totally agree Terra.... I stopped commenting here awhile ago but monitor the discussion for chuckle purposes. I wonder if Google's advertisers realize how many google accounts are really just dummy ones where the users never see the ads, etc. I have mine where everything is forwarded elsewhere so never see all the stuff advertisers want eyeballs on.
Not only does Google development not care, they don't understand. The video clip of their head developer in a discussion session showed him opining that people use sort in order to search. They simply don't get it that they are two completely different approaches to email management, and instead of offering both as virtually every other provider does, they try to tell us that sort isn't necessary.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Beverly J. Goldrup||4/25/13 12:00 PM|
I didn't like the fact that I couldn't sort in gmail. I came onto the forum seeking help. Wendy and Manny were extremely helpful in teaching me how to use the search and label feature. (Thank you.) However, if you can't live without sorting, listen to Wendy: gmail is not the right provider for you (but, you can use POP/IMAP to sort, which is provided free by Google).
I've always classified my incoming mail in folders and using filters. Labeling is not much different and I've discovered the search feature is extremely powerful. I'm not missing sort these days. I've grown accustomed to gmail's interface and it's working beautifully for me. I zip through my email rapidly now. Google has been clear about the parameters around which gmail is designed: it's not like they're trying to hide anything.
I don't want to disparage anyone: I spent years writing technical manuals and dealing with usability factors. I've discovered that even within the same provider, people tend to organize (or not) differently.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Terra Saylor||4/25/13 12:19 PM|
Oh believe me Beverly, we ALL witnessed that and were appropriately nauseated. I'm glad it works for you. It's still dumb.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||4/25/13 2:57 PM|
Please explain what nauseated you? Was it that Wendy and I were able to help or that Beverley was able to make use of the advice? I went through the Microsoft/Windows based Office courses and have the certificates to prove it. I made use of what I had learned and wrote some Office programs for others but to me Sort was an overly complicated way of doing things and reminded me of my first job in 1950 as an office clerk and the vast amounts of duplicated paperwork that was created. If there weren't at least six copies of everything somebody somewhere would not be able to find it. Folders create the same waste. A copy in each folder is wasteful of storage even if it is electronic.
There is a world wide logistics company that is using a system one of my sons developed in the three months he worked for them. Basically it comes down to not mattering where something is stored if you can access it in multiple ways which is how Amazon is able to access speedily the chaos of it's warehouses.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Terra Saylor||4/25/13 7:58 PM|
I knew you couldn't stay away for long. What nauseated me in particular was the subsequent circle jerk over the whole thing. Like search was all of a sudden some sort of revelation that Beverly couldn't understand how she EVER lived her life without it.
Sort isn't complicated. You click a column, and your mails are sorted. It's a pretty basic SQL query even your son could write. Microsoft improved upon this by letting us not only sort, but also choose a message and perform actions on it and those like it in the future without ever having to type a thing (sweep). I can manage my ENTIRE inbox without leaving the comfort of my mouse. Really, it's that good, and I'm that disappointed because I'd be on your side trumpeting how awesome Google was if I could do that here. Look over the tone of my posts since I joined this thread. I started out being cautiously optimistic, and now it's turned to downright disgusted because there's just no hope for this email program. What's worse is my company recommended google apps to our clients and now we have to eat crow and I am the one who has to make excuses why apps sync (something they PAY for) won't work with their new computers running Office 2013. Before you jump on MS - Google has had the software for well over half a year now, and they haven't responded in threads asking for this PAID application to function with the new software. It's just ridiculous. I didn't market Google apps to look like a fool in front of my customers, but that is what happened. How do you defend that?
As far as folders being "duplicate paperwork" - you do understand that the purpose of folders is to classify information, right? So you take it out of the mess of the inbox, and then classify it where it can be easily found in the future. Even in the 1950's they knew this concept. They didn't keep copies in both places, unless they wanted the redundancy or were complete idiots. Google is actually the only one that I have ever seen have this waste with the "labels" system. Every other email program has always sorted into folders and it took a kicking and screaming fight to have google make their email behave that way.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Beverly J. Goldrup||4/25/13 9:16 PM|
You are clearly too young to remember punch cards, programming in COBOL, and common courtesy. Thankfully, I'm not. I'm guessing I wrote SQL code before you, and definitely someone's son, even knew what the acronym meant. I neither bashed nor praised gmail. I simply pointed out that Wendy and Manny were helpful and that gmail is working for me as is. That is nauseating to you because...?
Your snide "you do understand that the purpose of folders is to classify information, right?" is insulting. (You do understand that, right?) If you took the time to read what I wrote, you would realize that I wrote labels are analogous to folders. Even better: I can throw two or three labels on the same email and review documentation without switching between folders. I'm sorry this is too challenging for you to figure out.
Your lack of knowledge about organizational systems in the "good old days" of paper and folders needs amelioration. Even as late as the '80s, people would keep duplicate copies of letters to be used as "tickler files" for calendaring. (You can look that term up, right?) Sometimes, when writing a memo, I would have to have my assistant make eight copies of it to distribute for each recipient for THEIR files. So, yes, people had to keep copies in several places, and people neither desired redundancy nor were idiots. The technology simply wasn't available.
Initially, I was extremely unhappy with not being able to sort on gmail. I'm fine with it now. I comfortably navigate through emails on the interfaces of three different providers.
You do realize the topics of apps never even arose. This thread was about the sort feature on gmail. As far as you looking like a fool in front of your customers: well, I can't help you with that. I do, however, wish you the best of luck.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||4/25/13 11:58 PM|
Beverley has answered for me except about my son who happens to be the lead programmer for Datel and a position was specially created in the company when he was in his early twenties and he told them where some of their programming was at fault.
Unless you work for a company that insists on you using Gmail (Google does not insist it's staff only use Google products) I cannot see your problem as there are so many alternatives although if you were to focus on the faults in the new Gmail Compose feature I would probably go along with you.
I'm posting some virtual wet wipes so you can can clean up the nausea.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Terra Saylor||4/26/13 5:32 AM|
Beverly, please read Cman's post - that's what I was responding to. I'm not going to address you further.
Cman - I fail to see how your son and his accomplishments are at all relevant to the discussion. I'm sure that you are very proud of him, but what does that have to do with a sort feature?
Common courtesy was mentioned, and since that is related to customer service I'll give you both a tip. Here's the correct response when someone opens a thread like this asking for something to be added, and others express their support.
"Thank you for your valuable feedback. I can see this is something that folks are interested in, so let me go ahead and pass it on up the food chain. In the meantime, did you know that...." and then you can go into your diatribe about search and yada yada yada. That's not what happened. What happened was customers of Google's were told to shut up and like it or go somewhere else. It's horrible customer service no matter how you want to spin it. Sadly, it's par for the course with Google it seems.
I understand that at least one person in this thread has come on board with you in regards to search, but was it really worth losing the twenty or so others who are no longer interested in Gmail? The funny thing is, I don't think that even he would have minded sort being added to gmail. It's something that wouldn't diminish anyone's QoL, and could potentially make a lot of users very happy.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Beverly J. Goldrup||4/26/13 10:06 AM|
We are now on Page 17 of this thread. Yes, Google is not going to change. Are we all clear on that? Great.
Ironsides and I seem to be engaged in this forum for the same reason. I believe we presented an possible solution without attacking anyone personally. Clearer instructions about sort and search need to be written with links to all the shortcuts available in gmail in one location.
So, Manny and Wendy, would it be possible any time the keyword "sort" or "search" appears in a query, the user is directed to a succinct compendium of all the instructions and shortcuts related to gmail's functionality in one place and addressing the specific quirks, if you will? The instructions on how to use gmail do not appear in a centralized location and that may be a good part of the frustration expressed here. You are welcome to write me privately if I can help.
Terra, your subsequent responses indicated that, in one sentence, I was told I would not be addressed further. In another, I was being instructed in the nuances of common courtesy. As I was addressed personally prior to the response to Manny, as well as within the context of the direct response to him, manners dictate I reply. At the risk of being misrepresented by the implications made in both statements, one could infer that a search function is some technically spiritual revelation to me. It is not. Manny, am I right in assuming you brought up your son in response to a statement made that that even your son could create a simple SQL query?
There was a mistaken impression regarding business practices and replication prior to computers. It was addressed, but not acknowledged. Common courtesy and good customer service would dictate a response such as, "I didn't know that. Thank you for letting me know, but I'm still frustrated with gmail and hate the way it works."
When I first joined this thread quite some time ago, I had hoped to be helpful by adding several links to help others with their frustration I also experienced. For those who are dissatisfied with gmail, take Ironsides' and Wendy's advice: forward your email to another provider and work within the parameters which makes you most comfortable.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||4/26/13 11:45 AM|
As Beverley has pointed out, you were the one who brought my son into this so why complain when I have a little brag about him? You were also the one who commented to Beverley and then have the tenacity to tell her to butt out.
The posting guidelines are not to attack others but in a lot of cases it seems being a TC makes one a target for attacks. We are in here to help others whatever!
You were advising your clients to use Google Apps even though Sort was not part of the Gmail package but that never bothered you and I doubt your clients complained about it but now access to Office 2013 has been lost it's become a big deal. The problem apparently was not caused by Google but by Microsoft (see http://www.surfacetablethelp.com/2013/03/how-to-sync-google-apps-and-outlook-2013.html) so why not complain to them. Remember Microsoft does not abide by open standards and expects everybody else to fall in with them. docx has caused trouble for nearly everything not Microsoft.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||4/26/13 11:50 AM|
I reckon you could write the blog on Search and Labels yourself so if you would like to have a go at doing so we (I'm sure I can speak for Wendy in this) would love to help so I'll add you to a circle. It would be rather nice to have somebody who a few weeks ago had never used Search to any extent write this and it would give a very fresh view of it compared to Wendy and myself who have been using it for years.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Beverly J. Goldrup||4/26/13 6:22 PM|
Thank you, Manny. I would welcome being a part of yours' and Wendy's circle and look forward to the invites.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||mike the broker||4/29/13 6:42 AM|
the sort feature is VERY needed and requested. reading other replies/posts raise good points...however overlook one very important one:
i believe the prime reason gmail has caught up with the other mail services is due to companies/corporations/government have started using the google servers as their own...forcing us to adopt gmail. has happened in my office with the state, and we have to use gmail.
we get around the search issue by linking/synching with MS Outlook...then you get the features all are used to with Outlook.
the down side to this is Outlook isn't cheap. and to have to go to an outside application to sort email is overboard..
in my private life, i would rather deal with the hack-friendly yahoo or the clunky hotmail than gmail's lack of user-oriented features
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||wdurham||4/29/13 8:10 AM|
Sorting is NOT actually needed, mike the broker, although many people want it because they don't know any different.
If you keep on top of your mail, classifying, replying, deleting, etc etc as you go along, you never, EVER need to sort.
Of course, if you let it all pile up in your inbox and end up without a clue of what you've got and what you haven't, then yes, sorting can help with that kind of a mess. In fact, sorting is probably the only way to deal with that kind of a mess. So use an email client every couple of months and clean your act up there.
Just don't expect Gmail to break a leg giving you something that isn't needed by most of its 450 million users. As Mark Striebeck, the then Engineering Director of Gmail said last August, "We haven't 100% ruled out sorting, but it's very low priority".
It's intriguing, actually - why do so many people sign up for Gmail when it doesn't do what they want? And then sit and scream that it doesn't do what they want? And stamp their feet demanding that it MUST do what they want? Or they will go back to Yahoo? (Or Hotmail or UncleTomCobbley.com)?
My own attitude would be that if something else did what I wanted better than Gmail did it, I would move my account. No two ways about it. I certainly wouldn't waste my time sitting about whinging that this or that multi-national quoted company MUST do what I tell them to do.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Terra Saylor||4/29/13 8:37 AM|
Really - the hostility is just completely uncalled for. No one is here stamping their feet and demanding anything. We asked, were told to take a long walk off a short pier, and moved on. None of us signed up for Gmail knowing it wouldn't do what we wanted; rather, we expected this functionality because it's so freaking basic and were genuinely shocked to find that it wasn't there.
The very fact that Mark Striebeck had to address the question at all means it's not a low priority for the users, and the users are the ones whose voices should be most heard when deciding how to prioritize development time. Not listening to what users want is catastrophic. Allowing people like you to speak for Google is even worse. This thread has turned into a hot mess of hostility and I can't believe it's been allowed to remain open with how badly this discussion has degenerated. It should just be closed at this point. Nothing productive is going to come of it.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Beverly J. Goldrup||4/29/13 11:32 AM|
Terra, we do agree that hostility is unnecessary, no matter how it arose. So, let's move on. As a non-Google employee, I do understand the frustration about the inability to sort. Here are the instructions from Google on how to move your mail to another account using POP. You may think it's stupid. You may think it's unnecessary. But, if you hate gmail and it's OK for you to use POP at your job, maybe this will help.
Automatically forward gmail to another provider
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Terra Saylor||4/29/13 1:13 PM|
I really can't tell if you genuinely think you are being helpful or are just trolling. At the very least, this comes across as patronizing.
I have no need to use gmail at my job and I don't know where that came from. My comments were regarding Google Apps Sync (a product we suggested to our customers) that works in conjunction with gmail and is a paid app. I was comparing the lack of updating their paid applications with the lack of interest in improving their free applications - either way Google just plain doesn't care whether you are paying them or not. It's interesting coming from a company whose mantra was "don't be evil". Go ahead and wiki that one.
I and the others in this thread have long since moved to other email apps as our main app and while I'm sure these instructions are correct - they are far from being helpful or even necessary at this point. We get it. Really. We get it.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Beverly J. Goldrup||4/29/13 1:50 PM|
I was trying to be helpful. "Go ahead and wiki that one" is patronizing. Discussion ended.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Terra Saylor||4/30/13 6:06 AM|
If you had bothered to do as I asked, you might not have thought so. In fact, you might have gained a new understanding of Google's origins, where they are today, and why some of us are so disappointed. It's always a personal choice to become more enlightened or remain ignorant, though.
You and I do agree on one thing, however. Nothing further of use to the topic at hand can come of this discussion.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j.ax||5/7/13 1:30 PM|
Google is recognizing that a lack of Sort is a problem and that a sort feature is needed.
They are allowing people to suggest the sort feature.
It is sickening to hear the Superior Ones denigrate those who want this function.
the phrase is KISS: keep it simple s.....
Those who want a complicated search function chastise people that want a simple sort function. It is as if those who like the complicated function want to prevent a simple function, they can't concieve how others could use this feature when a more complicated system works for them.
As I have followed this topic it is clear that peoples defense of the search is tied to their personalities, this is clear as they insult others who want a sort ability.
To those who defend the search, Keep it simple, s .
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j.ax||5/7/13 1:36 PM|
To all those who want Google to have a common sense sort function, select "organization" then "sort" at this link:
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||A Christensen||5/7/13 2:33 PM|
I did, thanks.
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|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Vanessa Shaver||5/7/13 3:41 PM|
So, we could have just been politely directed to this place where we could request a SORT functionhttps://support.google.com/mail/suggestions/16932 instead of being:
- taught repetedly how to use the very search function that we find insufficient
Finally, lables are stupid. If it doesn't move it from my inbox (as a folder would) it's still in my inbox. It's like walking into a library where all the books are in a pile on the floor and putting helpful postit notes on them instead of moving them en masse to the shelves where they should live.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||bkc56||5/7/13 4:09 PM|
Finally, lables are stupid. If it doesn't move it from my inbox (as a folder would) it's still in my inbox.
That's what Archive is for, to remove the Inbox post-it from the message.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j.ax||5/7/13 4:18 PM|
Vanessa, Yes on all accounts.
The grumpy Elderly and superior ones on this forum have no desire for people to know that Google is interested in having a sort feature.
It defeats their M.O.
These superior types are like the old British doctors who swore by bleeding patients because bleeding gets rid of spirits and other maladies.
They are so focused on defending quackery that they fail to realize the patient is dying.
Their ego, command of the subject, and personal expertise is more important than the actual real-world application.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Beverly J. Goldrup||5/7/13 5:17 PM|
Set up your labels, apply them to the email, then remove the "Inbox" label. Done: the email will be removed from your inbox.
Libraries are a great example: a book has only one classification or ISBN, but several ways to find it. If I'm interested in a biography about an author who was a sociologist, I might search for the author's name. I might use a specific field of sociology to find that author. Maybe I just want to read the biography. In this case, one book would be cross referenced with several labels so the user can find it according to her/his way of searching, but all of those labels apply to a single book.
Similarly, one email can have several classifications.
Here's an example of how labels are used. Say someone wants a job as a Product Manager: the next question is what kind of project manager. One with business analytic skills? Do we want someone who knows internet security but not necessarily web design? This example shows how labels are used as metadata to match employers/employees.
That said, I am superior to no one and hope these examples help.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||LadyBug Park||5/16/13 4:49 PM|
Wow, and here I was annoyed with myself & and chalking up my frustration to user error! I went to the help button thinking, "Surely I can sort my email by date/sender I MUST not be paying attention!" Searched and I see so many complaints, I had no idea this wasn't a Gmail feature...very dissappointed!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Katrina May||5/21/13 5:49 AM|
Can't believe Google won't add column headers that you can sort by, or the ability to move columns in an order that suits you. Makes AOL look like a premium email tool.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Fuzzy||5/21/13 3:50 PM|
Nothing makes AOL look like a premium email tool.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||RandomGmailUser||5/22/13 10:33 AM|
Does anyone know of an add on, extension, lab, whatever... that can do this?
FYI, I can't believe the number of non-technical people replying here who don't seem to know the difference between a sort and a search.
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|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||5/22/13 10:51 AM|
The amount of non-technical people answering here is greatly outnumbered by the amount of people who think they are technically minded. It's the little things such as being able to post in a forum without the adding in of a security warning that should only be in an email that points out the technically inept.
If you did manage to post to this forum using an email please explain how.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||5/22/13 11:14 AM|
Regard the Labels as column headers. Add them to the emails you need them for. Beverley, who has only been using Labels for a couple months now seems to find them far more useful then she ever found Sort and Folders.
An email can have many Labels and these can be used to find a specific email far more easily than Sort and Folders ever could and since I love using what I was taught in learning Windows Office I'm going to use it to demonstrate.
You manufacture ice creams and need to find a customer who buys certain specific flavours.
You sell 20 flavours so you create a Label for each of these.
Using your Search bar you type in label:RaspberryRipple label:AlmondChocolate label:ClottedCornish. The search will find all the ones that have all three Labels at least.
From what I remember of my Office training you could never do that.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||A Christensen||5/22/13 12:41 PM|
Hi C Man,
I appreciate your example here and it does help me. I currently have emails with more than one label and it is helpful.
The problem I run into (and maybe it's just because I'm new to this) is that I am constantly wanting to see all of the emails on a particular subject so I can review them to refresh my memory globally and to ensure that I haven't forgotten to address something in anyone's response, so I do wish for a better way to get all of the emails by subject (regardless of label). This would be similar to what I'm able to do with the "related emails" function in Outlook. I've tried to use the Gmail search function, both with an underscore between each word and without underscores, but I don't always get all the emails that should be included (yes, Outlook sometimes does the same); however, I often get emails that shouldn't be included because the subject is different.
Any suggestions on more successful searches by subject?
On what may be a related note, I did turn off the conversation option, because I feel more comfortable with a chronological inbox so I can 'answer in the order received.'
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||5/22/13 2:04 PM|
That's an easy one but I'll give the link to the advanced search terms first. https://support.google.com/mail/answer/7190?hl=en
It's subject:now you add the subject and if you find it tries to search individual emails that only have some of the words then do it as subject:now_you_add_the_subject.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||cartmanata||5/26/13 6:29 AM|
"If people do not like the Gmail as much as other email clients why is it now at the top of the heap with 450 plus million users?"
BECAUSE THERE'S MILLIONS OF ANDROID USERS AND THEY SIMPLY HAVE TO OPEN A GMAIL ACCOUNT!! DUUUUUUHHHHHH!!
And I'm one of them. And since I already have a Gmail account I was thinking hey maybe I'll start using it. Discontinue using my Yahoo mail and switch to Gmail. I checked it out and, well, I don't like it. But let's be constructive here, not all of it is crap. I really like the labels feature. Instead of making folders to organize your mail, you can tag them with more than one label and that's sweet.
Enough reasoning. It all comes down to Google's right to do whatever they want and us customers to use Gmail or not. Google people may be successful in convincing everyone they are the best email provider simply because they are on top with 450 million accounts, even though a great many of them are just Android users and never use Gmail for email. But let me tell you whoever you're trying to sell with these 450M will sooner or later catch on.
So, one simple question:
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||5/26/13 6:52 AM|
If you cannot work without Sort stay where you are. If you can work with the best search function and know how to set up filters so Labels are automatically added and are prepared to learn something new then "come on down!".
Take a look at https://support.google.com/mail/answer/7190?hl=en to see just what Search can do.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||5/26/13 7:09 AM|
Further to my reply this is rolling out or US users.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||cartmanata||5/26/13 2:52 PM|
I'm always up for learning and using something new and yes Gmail search seems to be nice, I just don't need it to be this sophisticated. But I do need the Sort function so I guess I will be staying with Yahoo, thanks for your answer.
Seems such a simple feature to implement into Gmail GUI though it is irrational why they're so strongly against it. Would be easier to just give the users this simple one thing they politely ask for. Well, it's their prerogative.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||5/26/13 3:45 PM|
You say what kind of Sort you need and let me see if it's something that cannot be replicated in Gmail.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||ejroberts||5/27/13 7:15 AM|
Nonsense. By any definition, advanced Searching is not the same as sorting. Both techniques are useful for different purposes, and Gmail only has one of them. It must be hard to admit that AOL has Gmail beat in this area!
One (very ugly, maybe too ugly) solution might be to use two email systems: Gmail and another (like AOL) that has sorting and then play around with "leave message on the server" options. Haven't tried it yet, but might be worth a try.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||5/27/13 9:26 AM|
Read the thread, We have suggested Thunderbird and Outlook many times as a third party with Sort.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Matthew Bromberg||5/28/13 10:44 AM|
Sorry gmail is incomprehensible to me. I am constantly losing important mail because I can't sort by date. Searching that requires typing arcane commands is not a viable option. I just don't use it often enough to remember those commands.
I can understand if you are a guru developer that you can remember ~this means don't include this. Maybe you should have used not this? Most times I can't even find the search or the various options since the interface is completely randomized behind non-informative buttons that may be hidden anywhere on the page.
Google simply does not know how to do user interfaces. Since everyone thinks they are cool, they try to mimic the same failure. Replace the icons with words. Allow basic sorting by date, subject and any other header item. There is no need to do something different because you can.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j. ax||5/28/13 11:23 AM|
Cman and other senior members/aliases :
Throughout this topic, You and others have suggested gmail users use outlook or thunderbird or other 3rd party apps.
Does anyone here have any influence with Google at all?
Have you suggested to Google that they add a simple sort feature?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||5/28/13 12:35 PM|
Gmail does sort alphabetically (sort of) as long as you have the address in your Contacts. Open Contacts and hover over any name, a card will open and if you click on the word "Email" all those to and from will be listed.
Not good enough? In the Inbox Search bar enter from:a and you will be offered all the email addresses and names that begin with "a". Go through the alphabet one at a time.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Gediz GÜRSU||5/29/13 1:25 AM|
Is there some deeper technical complication users are not aware of ?
This afore mentioned sort button requests are huge efficiency and ergonomic increase in gmail product.
I cant understand why to resist rather than adding 3 buttons ?
Please at least explain why not ?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Gediz GÜRSU||5/29/13 1:27 AM|
My recent post is deleted as soon as I post it
I try to recollect it again ?
Adding sorting buttons to interface would increase ergonomic efficiency a lot
Could you please explain why not ?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||5/29/13 4:19 AM|
Posts take time to show due to a standard procedure in all forums (I think) where there has to be a point which allows for a Moderator to scan. As far as I know Google does not Moderate but the opportunity has to be available.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Gediz GÜRSU||5/29/13 9:26 AM|
Thank you very much for your missing post related reply
Could you reply to the original question as well please ?
"Adding sorting buttons to interface would increase ergonomic efficiency a lotIs there any other technical complication users are not aware of ?
Is it a customer relation strategy to resist a change request initially ?
Why not add sorting buttons ? "
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||bkc56||5/29/13 9:54 AM|
One reason that sorting would be a problem is because Gmail uses the conversation view (the grouping of messages based on subject). So if you have a conversation of 20 messages and you sort of date or sender, which message in the conversation do you use to sort?
The ability to turn off the conversation view is a relatively recent option. One could argue that sorting is more feasible now if you turn CV off. But Gmail is built for and intended to work using the CV which makes sorting complex.
I'm not saying that's THE reason, or even A reason, but it could be.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||icantchooseone||5/29/13 9:59 AM|
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j.ax||5/29/13 8:50 PM|
I appreciate the possible answer that you posted. What you wrote makes sense and it is very possible that Gmail simply painted themselves into a corner by ignoring the sort function. Once gmail was created it mightve been too expensive to design a fix. Or they thought that users will comply and learn new tricks. It is still unbelievable that google has ignored simple functions and opted for mandatory complex user interaction. I absolutely hate conversational view and dislike gmail very much.
Google has been asking consumers if they want to have an alphabetical search function. Hopefully the new Gmail has the overly simple, one-click, alphabetical search function. It isnt sexy but it has its uses. now that I'm thinking about it, isnt sorting is one of the first things we learn as humans, counting is a form of sorting, the ABCs is a form of sorting.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j.ax||5/29/13 8:55 PM|
Hopefully the new GMAIL will have a simple one-click alphabetical option.
That would put an end to this thread except for those that wish to have a highly tuned search-based email system.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||bkc56||5/29/13 10:23 PM|
I absolutely hate conversational view...
That's interesting. I on the other hand would find it hard to manage my e-mail without it. The thought of having all those messages displayed independently (as they are in Outlook which I use at work) is horrid.
As to sorting, I very seldom used it when I used a traditional e-mail client for my personal e-mail. I never use it in Outlook. I don't miss it at all in Gmail, but regularly use search to find stuff along with carefully labeling all the messages I want to save.
I'd say it's what you are used to that you like, but I had sorting before, so that's not it. I guess it's just personal preference. And if Gmail's model does not fit one's personal preference, I guess another provider or an e-mail client is the best option.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||dentish||6/2/13 12:05 AM|
For all the data that Google mines off its users, they certainly seem indifferent to our needs. Clearly this thread indicates a persistent, clear and common sense need for sorting. The utter contempt in which Google holds its users is staggering. The duplicity is astonishing. I will be voting with my feet and leaving this sorry gmail platform. Google is buying silence. Edmund Burke was right!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||dentish||6/2/13 12:07 AM|
26 iterations is your answer?? Really?? Perform this action 26 times is what you offer? How much more contempt can you have? I have some actions that I would like you to perform 26 times...
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||6/2/13 12:44 AM|
Funny but my wife says the same thing.
The search bar version is only necessary if you don't have them added to your Contacts and even then I would have expected you to remember roughly who you were looking for so you would probably only need one or two tries. Could be worse because some languages have more than 26 letters.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Monica Rodelo||6/2/13 6:27 PM|
Can google mail sort e-mail by sender?
If not why not create this option
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||6/2/13 11:09 PM|
In the Search Bar use the term from:whoever by name if you have added them to your Contacts or the address if you haven't or hover over the name in an open email or in the name section of the Inbox to bring up a card and just click on Emails to be presented with a complete list of from and to. If you don't want the To or From included then delete whichever.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Beverly J. Goldrup||6/3/13 10:42 AM|
I have been criticized at least 26 times for writing that sort is unnecessary and even called a troll. I'm not a technological guru, but gmail works well for me now that I understand it. (I've also asked for a sort function, too. I'd really like it, too.) However, I do like gmail now. Earlier, someone asked if gmail sorts by date: yes, it does that by default.
Also, I'd like to thank all the people who, although are frustrated with not being able to sort, are being polite. Here's how to get rid of that pesky conversation view, j.ax. Click the icon in the upper-right hand corner of the screen under your name and profile image and click on "Settings."
Now, select "General" (it's the first option in the various Settings menus--you can also set an automatic signature under "General"). Scroll down and choose the following option to get rid of conversation view. That's it. You're done. (I have my conversation view turned off.)
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j.ax||6/4/13 9:29 PM|
I was starting to use labels. I want to add labels to an email that I send.
are there any Icons that I click? I have the new "new compose experience".
It now requires 4 or 5 steps to add a label to an out-going email.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||6/5/13 1:15 AM|
Before you send it click on the menu arrow (bottom right) and Label is there. Only way I can see but it's the same amount of clicks I think.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j. ax||6/7/13 5:51 PM|
The new inbox style doesn't sort alphabetically. It now lists an icon of a letter from the sender. The only thing sorted is the date. If it sorts by date the latest conversation could be sorted by sender with no extra steps or interaction required. Like a phone book. Do any of the senior level people on this forum have any influence with Google at all? There are so many frustrating things that seem to get worse with each update: buttons are in awkward counter intuitive places and more steps are not only required, they are to tough to find. If labels are the only way to organize gmail, influence google to make labeling easier not harder. Does anyone have any influence here, or are we all just buying and dealing with whatever Google sells?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||6/7/13 10:13 PM|
gmail is still unable to sort in alphabetically,
I know there are 18 previous pages before you got to this one to post your thoughts so you may have missed one or a few on the way but you have just given me a chance to repeat the advice I have given previously but worded differently..
If the name/address is in your contacts then they have all been sorted alphabetically and cursoring over any in the name column will bring up a card but you don't use the envelope icon which will open a Compose but click on the word Email which will bring up all the emails to and from that person. They are already sorted by date latest to earliest. From the search bar you can add in dates (please use the Advanced Search terms in addition to the terms that are in the bar already) and you can also trim by carefully deleting the to:#### or from:#### which will change the way they are revealed in conversation view.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j. ax||6/7/13 10:37 PM|
I've read the pages I appreciate the instructions. I will try but if this requires continuous maintenance I won't do it. I use a smartphone and want one click solutions. That is how I want gmail to operate. It is ridiculous for any software be so complicated when software is supposed to simplify. even still it wouldn't make a difference, I'm not here to argue.
I seriously want to know if anyone has any influence with google. Regardless of what anyone thinks a better system is.
Does anyone have any influence? Speak up if you do.
Otherwise it is like we are all fanatic sports fans arguing over things we have no control over.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j. ax||6/7/13 10:47 PM|
I also appreciate how instructions are posted here. Regardless of how people communicate. Gmail is frustrating and not easy to understand or explain. Its not easy for anyone.
Its real tough for either not to be sarcastic or snarky. All the replies are evident of that difficulty too.
Thank you again.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||6/8/13 12:15 AM|
gmail is still unable to sort in alphabeticallyTry posting in the forum that is associated with your mobile phone.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j. ax||6/8/13 12:35 AM|
I should've said the word "also" .
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|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||6/8/13 6:27 AM|
The figure is closer to 450 million and you are making the assumption that more than a hundred times the amount of posters complaining about the lack of sort are actually worried about it. Even if the amount was that high it would still be less than 10% of Google's users and I'm betting that most of those who cannot do anything without Sort are using something else.
Sort would be nice but if you take the time to learn how to use Search you could possibly find it a lot more useful than you think.
Here's the challenge. Post something you think can only be done by Sort and we'll attempt to show you how Search would do it (possibly more accurately).
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||ejroberts||6/8/13 8:38 AM|
Here's one that I really wanted sort for, and would appreciate how to do this as easily using search.
Let's say I've let old mail accumulate to an embarrassing number (ok, I confess, it's true); most of it is worthless, but there is maybe <1% gold spread throughout that I want to keep. I would like to sort by sender and then I can quickly select and delete those messages all in a row that are from senders I don't need to keep. I can even do multiple senders all in a row.
The problem with doing a search on sender is that I'm not always sure what I want to keep/delete until I see it, and scrolling through a list looking for changes in sender names while keeping an eye on the subject is a very easy thing to do. Think of scrolling through sorted stuff fast in Excel--the exceptions just jump out at you.
Related, but also useful even without sort: it would be nice if Gmail allowed more (like "all") messages to scroll on a screen so I could check the beginning and shift-check the end of a very long group instead of being limited to 100 at a time. Or (and maybe there's a way I don't know) allow a check on one screen to be used as a start of a list to shift-check on further screens and select all messages in between.
That being said, Gmail is a good system, which is why I prefer it to the competition.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||6/8/13 8:59 AM|
The search is normal. If you have added them to your Contacts look there or find an email from the person and use the advice previously given (It's my one to gmail is still unable to sort in alphabetically). There are Advanced Search terms you can use to find the ones you don't want.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j. ax||6/8/13 9:21 AM|
Ed, Good description of how alphabetized emails are useful. At times I use email the same way. I want to simply see all the mail from contacts and non contacts line up in alpha order.
It is actually more important to see non-contacts appear in alpha order to decide who I want to keep.
Click, look. Done. Simple.
C man, can this be done? Or is maintenance required?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||6/8/13 10:03 AM|
gmail is still unable to sort in alphabetically,
You had to pick the hardest one of all and it does take a little work but here's my quick thought on how to do it.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j. ax||6/8/13 11:53 AM|
I will try this.
If this works, From what I can tell from reading this forum, many people will be satisfied because this is partially what they want to do.
I really wished there was a wizard that would assist us users who just cant devote time to maintaining gmail.
Is there an organizational tool or app designed for gmail? Is there any software that can automatically reorganize and assist users ? Let's face it people expect click choose click Done.
That's how software and apps should be striving for. In the old days ms access had simple wizards that did wonders. It was limited and not for experts. But it organized access and made it usable for a novice almost immediately.
I know Thunderbird and others work better at sorting and alphabetizing email which many people expect, its the second formal thing we learn as children.
With so many Google apps taking over we are sorta bound to one system. Is there any type of assistant app or service?
Do any users out there think a one-click organization tool or app or service would help them? Does anyone know of such an app?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||6/8/13 12:22 PM|
gmail is still unable to sort in alphabetically,I tried it very quickly and it should work and evidently I seem to be the closest to a wizard you will find. Took me ten minutes to work that one out.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Shyam vemuri||6/9/13 12:32 PM|
It prove Google doesn't know how to make UI , that is easy and works. I have been using Outlook.com and its super advanced than gmail
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Skorpytoo||6/10/13 11:34 AM|
A couple years ago (plus or minus), I "unsubscribed" to this site, having had quite enough of C Man's arrogance and lack of effort to actually be of help to anyone. So, all was well; I was no longer plagued with receiving messages from the "Elder Advisor". However, EVERY ONE of the messages that I unsubscibed from still go into my trash file, filling it up with messages that I asked not to receive......how does this make any sense at all? So, if I need to look again at a message which has been deleted, there is nothing available earlier than May 1, because about 250 of the 363 kept trash files are these "blocked" missives !! Yes, I know, C Man.... I should just go elsewhere. Unfortunately, I have business cards, etc. with the gmail addy. So, I guess I have just, in effect, given you more reason to ignore all us "ranting idiots."
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||6/10/13 1:16 PM|
If they go to your Trash they should have deleted after thirty days and if you unsubscribed you should not be receiving anything so I suggest you look at the bottom of any of the received emails for the line "To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to gmail+un...@googleproductforums.com." and make use of it.
You can also use the back arrow at the top of any page to go back to the first page of any forum and follow the advice as in the image below. If it is too small to see clearly then click on it to open it in a separate window.
If you still have problems after doing that please come back and I'll get the issue investigated for you.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Skorpytoo||6/11/13 7:35 AM|
Thank you, C Man. I DID unsubscribe with the addy at the bottom, but I will try the method that you diagrammed.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Steven Psaros||6/14/13 9:27 AM|
This is my problem exactly!
THere seems to be too many nuances to comply with.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||brian Gardner||6/14/13 9:34 AM|
There is nothing unreasonable about wanting to sort out all of the emails I get, so I can go down the list and find the email I received 15 days ago regarding a project sent by one of the 50 or so work associates I have, among maybe even 40 pages of inbox.
I'm sure that there is some stupidly complicated way of doing it, but I prefer to go a month or so, then select emails by person and move to personal directories for storage.
This is a piece of cake in every other client I've ever used. Sort, click, shift click, drag, drop. When I look for an individual email, it's a simple matter of sort, go to the sender, look for subject line or simply scroll through.
You people who believe that this is asking too much are just foolish. Get off the guy's back and shut up with the smartassed comments and internet manners, you bunch of trolls.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||6/14/13 11:16 AM|
Guessing the sender is in your Contacts you only need to hover over his name to see a card come up and clicking in the word Emails will bring up all the emails too and from. You can then click on the menu arrow in the Search bar and add the date in.
It's probably faster than Sort can do it.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Roy N Bennett||6/17/13 8:57 AM|
Google is too big company to take care about their customer.
For that for example millions of people want SORT easy their email and Google don't want.
Google Rule: Customer are shit !
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Roy N Bennett||6/17/13 9:02 AM|
Google is a big company and like all big company they don't care to their customer.
Google don't want create easy sort like other email companies.
Google Rule: We don't care about customer.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||6/17/13 10:21 AM|
If Sort is so good why are others following Google's lead and adding Search? Check back through this thread (there's only 20 pages) and you'll find some things Search can do that Sort cannot at speed without using a lot of processing power which it borrows from your own computer in a lot of cases.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Phil CH||6/20/13 1:25 AM|
While it is true that Searching can often be a replacement for Sorting, here is my problem which I am not able to solve in a reasonable way using only Search:
An external provider is sending me different emails with subject like "Activity ID xxxxx started", "Activity ID xxxxx completed"
The activity duration can span from few minutes till few days. Multiple activities are executed every day (10-50): this means maybe 50 activities started and 45 completed the same day, while the remaining 5 are still open.
The quickest way to see which activities are still open would be:
Any suggestion how I could approach this need in GMail?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Phil CH||6/20/13 1:37 AM|
So far the best solution I found is the following:
- search these messages
- use the "Add to Task" function from Gmail
- use the "Action / Email Task list" from the Task List
Cut&Paste the content of the mail generated this way into my preferred text editor and perform an alphabetical sort.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||6/20/13 4:23 AM|
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Berkeley VI||6/24/13 11:52 AM|
No! I was hoping that somehow I'd mistakenly been unable to find SORT buttons. Now I see that there is no mistake. This is horrible. Sort by sender/subject is super crucial when trying to clear out an inbox.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||6/24/13 1:24 PM|
Have you actually read through some of the replies that have been given? I have advised on the issues you are now raising.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j.ax||6/24/13 2:02 PM|
To the c man , I respect that you have tried to help people. But did you actually read whay
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j.ax||6/24/13 2:12 PM|
To the c man. I respect that you are trying to help people figure out gmail. To be fair, Did you actually read and understand what Berkley was saying? It wouldn't matter if Berkley read previous entries or not, Berkley was expressing what many are amazed at: that it is practically unimaginable that Google would not have a simple sort function. That organizing gmail would be so complicated and counterintuitive.
Berkley is among many of us that want Google to hear that not having a sort button is idiotic. We want this function.
It isnt right to scold people who want to express how baffled they are by a lack of sort.
This forum is also difficult to find the real instructions. It would be beneficial if you and others put together a help manual rather than a random assortment of forum posts.
I appreciate your efforts none the less but this forum is really only halfway helpful, a user manual or guidebook would greatly help this forum.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||6/24/13 2:23 PM|
Yes. It was the same reason I gave the answer before.
Here we go again. As long as the sender's name is in Contacts they are alphabetically sorted. If you start a Search using the term from: and then add the letter "a" it will bring up a list of the names that start with "a".
Dates are also searchable and you can limit to after and before.
The manual you ask for is at https://support.google.com/mail/answer/7190?hl=en and you can use Boolean operators as well.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j. ax||6/24/13 10:37 PM|
cman, maybe there was something I didnt see from Berkley. or more to the conversation that didnt appear.
I guess I was just defending him/her. This forum seems to be the first place for people to go and simply say they are in disbelief. I think that that should be realized.
Here is an idea, if it is possible to search for " A " and then the user repeats this up to 26 times, is there a way to write something like A:Z . in effect, asking google to search and list all emails in order from A to Z ? Adding that into the search would effectively make search an alphabetical search.
What do you think?
a second question, i like all the tricks and techniques to make gmail work. can these techniques be listed into a guide and made into a format that would get rid of all the banter?
I admit that I contribute to the banter but my efforts are trying to identify the posts and comments that are helpful. Maybe I dont help so much.
Anyway, what do you think about the A:Z type of thing?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j. ax||6/24/13 10:38 PM|
The manual is sorta helpful, but I like the extra wording that this forum has provided.
Do you work for google?
Does anyone here work for google?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||6/24/13 11:10 PM|
You could try aORbORcORdOR................ which might place them in alphabetical order but they would only be 20 to a page which is the Search default so, to me, it would be a wasted effort. When you do it in the way I described the account names are normally suggested below the Search bar which means you can pick then out from there.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||6/24/13 11:46 PM|
Forgot, to see if there is a Google Employee in the thread look for a badge with a white g on a blue background. TC's are a white speech bubble in a green background and Rising Stars have a gold star set in black.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Dave Piazza||6/25/13 2:53 PM|
has this ever been solved ...the easy sorting?
I am thinking of moving but microsoft outlook is outstanding from the sort aspect . Hotmail (new outlook - way to confuse everyone MS!)stinks, but after 12 years I may stay. Just need to find an e mail system that can function as good as microsoft outlook does. problem is I work between computer and NOTHING syncs together. I am old and tech dumb (sort of) and really would like to find a solution.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||6/25/13 3:33 PM|
If you mean Outlook and not the new Outlook.com then you are not referring to an email system but a third party app that uses your computer's resources.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||John Friday||6/25/13 4:01 PM|
How hard is ti to get it through your thick skull CUSTOMERS want something SPECIFIC. Google is acting like APPle., We will give you the EMAIL THEY want, nto what customers are SCREAMING for. Apple says you can have any phone as long as it is the size they want, and the stuyle they want. The advantage to google android has ALWAYS been I can get a large phone Samsung Galaxy 4 or a smaller phone if I so choose.
To all those who want sorting. GMAIL IS NOT THE ANSWER. It will never be the answer as long sychophants like CMAN defend poor customer service and bad design.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||6/25/13 11:05 PM|
How come your space bar does not work when you address me by name but seems to be quite operational elsewhere?
Google is not fighting anything, it's just different and I am making arrangements to have the thickness of my skull shaved but I really don't think it will make any difference to my trying to help in using Search instead of Sort.
(Sudden thought!!! You were trying to be insulting by leaving the space out of C Man. You need to take a course at the British School of Sarcasm. Even the best University courses throughout the world cannot reach the standard of the worst British ones.)
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Nancy Schlesinger Martin||6/26/13 11:05 PM|
glad to see I am not going crazy this is a huge miss by google. It will definitely have me looking around for more uptodate platforms
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Nicholas Kouzma Delroy||6/28/13 11:15 AM|
The C Man is a clown. Gmail is also a clown. Seek life elsewhere.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||6/28/13 11:47 AM|
I intend to be but Google does it unintentionally.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||That 1Guy||6/28/13 12:19 PM|
I personally think Gmail (even without sort) is way better than any other free webmail provider. That being said... some of you really need the sort feature. If you really need the sort feature I would recommend you go to gmx.com and create an email account over there.
Gmail is still the best (for me) and I do not see a time or reason that I would ever switch, but if I were to ever switch, it would be to gmx.com.
It would be sad to see you go, but I understand that you must have a tool that works best for the task.
Hope this helps some of you!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Nathan Gautrey||6/30/13 10:35 AM|
Gmail is ok, but it's insane that it's 2013 and I still have to install Outlook on all the clients computers just because of a missing sort function. We've even seen Chromebooks get taken out of the running due to this. No idea why Google think a useful feature like sorting is so incredibly bad for Gmail.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||6/30/13 11:18 AM|
Gmail's search was a new way of finding posts when it was brought in. Microsoft is only now catching up. No need to do multiple copies of an email so it can be placed in various folders to make it possible to find. I found it harder to use Outlook even though qualifying in Microsoft Office before I opened a Gmail account.
Have you read How Gmail stores using Labels or http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/gmail-advanced-search-ultimate-guide/ or https://support.google.com/mail/answer/7190?hl=en?
Compared to Outlook I find the Search feature far easier to use and it doesn't waste space or processor power on my pc.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Matthew Bromberg||7/5/13 10:32 AM|
I find the label functionality a very poor replacement for proper folders. Primarily because it adds a bunch of extra steps to organize your messages. Moreover the filtering options are not applied automatically for me. You have to specifically archive labeled messages as they arrive.
The capabilities of an email client like thunderbird are still superior IMHO, and indeed you can sort via a click on a column. In fact doing so after a complex search is very useful. Thus one does a search and then clicks on the date column to look at the newest first, as an example.
I can see that Google is trying to be innovative, but I'm not sure they've done proper usability testing. This assertion is supported by their very poor menu layouts. They are non-standard and randomly placed throughout their applications. Often they are buried in several layers of other arcane menus.
For example suppose you want to select a labeled group and then archive it. How can this be done? Well first you select the label category on the left. OK that's reasonable. But now try to find a way to select all of those messages? .... Keep trying it's going to take a while to find the hidden little click box somewhere near the top. After that you are not done because you still have to select all the messages from all your pages. There is no menu for that. No instead you have to notice a message in small font that has an obscure hyperlink.
So now we are still not done. You have to actually find the archive menu. Where would such a thing actually be? Do you have a nice collection of categorized menus that can easily be searched? Nope it's in some bizarre drop down menu that has no explanation for it's grouping. There may be a logic to it, but that logic is opaque to the user.
I've done this action dozens of times and it's still so convoluted that I got lost and frustrated every time I try. So while Google is paying their top UI architect $300 K a year, they still do not understand how to design user interfaces. Apple does a much better job here, and frankly I think some smart kid just out of school making $60K a year could do a better job.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Fred Watt||7/5/13 6:23 PM|
This is a major error by Google. Are they so arrogant that they think I will only look at emails once? I need to sort by date. This new way loses my emails after I read them. It's horrible!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||7/6/13 1:58 AM|
Been like this for near 13 years and it was a new concept in 2004. Other services are adding it in.
Please explain what you mean by sort by date and perhaps somebody can suggest how you do this.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||7/6/13 2:08 AM|
Click on the Label in the side bar and all the posts with that Label will be found. Glance at the search bar and you will find this has detailed the Label. Click in the All box above the checkmark box on the left and watch the top Subject line which will offer to add all those included in the search (you can click the Yes if you want). Click on the More box that was revealed as soon as you check marked any of them. Click on Archive. I prefer to use Archive so that other Labels I may have used to cross reference are not deleted as they would do were you to move them to a specific Label.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||My Name is My Name||7/10/13 4:24 PM|
Obviously, public opinion doesn't matter a whit to Google. Look at all the 'likes' on all the complaints about Google's crap interface! Does anyone agree with Google? Nope! Doesn't matter, apparently. They're going to dumb down the Internet, software and computers in general until the technology is completely useless. This must be part of their 'plan'.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||TonyB-geez||7/10/13 5:38 PM|
And here I am, extremely frustrated that something so simple is not even available and having wasted SO much time just trying to figure it out :/
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||7/11/13 1:16 AM|
How long did you spend and did you work out some of the things you can do with Search on the way through? Do you need any help in using Search?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||My Name is My Name||7/11/13 7:18 AM|
This is NOT ABOUT searching. This is about SORTING! I don't recall EVER seeing any e-mail application or other application featuring tabular data that does NOT have a way to sort on any field one chooses!
Stop twisting this around on YOUR USERS! Read the comments. LOOK AT ALL THE LIKES on those comments. We WANT TO BE ABLE TO SORT BY COLUMN!!! What is WRONG WITH GOOGLE (and, BTW, we know that YOU are not Google and are only going by the script they give you... and THAT SUCKS TOO, but whaddaya gonna do?)?!?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||My Name is My Name||7/11/13 7:25 AM|
Let me give an example 'C Man':
You have an automatic import of contacts from an old e-mail application that includes addresses harvested from messages with multiple recipients. Most of these will be e-mail address WITHOUT a name at all (no first name; no last name). A simple click on a standard column header for e-mail address, would aggregate all of these together so that they can be selected and deleted in one fell swoop. How can we do this without columnar sorting?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||7/11/13 7:37 AM|
My Name is My Name,
First thanks for changing your name as I would never have replied had you not.
Search an address that is included in the imports and it should find them all. If you want to go further once you have found them use the menu arrow in the Search bar and you can create a filter to add a Label/Nested Label to these by using the "Has the words" to add the individual address and follow through remembering to use the "Also apply filter to ........." so the found ones are included.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||My Name is My Name||7/11/13 9:05 AM|
Interestingly, I just had a discussion on how much easier people find it to forgive someone who is wrong, than to forgive someone who is right. The fact of the matter is that I (and millions of others) are very ANGRY with Google over this and other poorly coded applications, and poorly handled complaints. So, that I changed my name from my real name (which I don't understand as usernames should not be the lowest-level identifier in a database... another source of frustration), doesn't change my anger toward Google, their applications and their disrgrard of the wishes of users. I'm angry enough to use profanity. Get over it. ;)
BUT ONCE AGAIN, you are AVOIDING THE ISSUE (because you're towing the company line... and again, 'whattaya gonna do?'). Most of us here are savvy enough to figure out 'work arounds' to the limitations. THIS ISN'T about searching, exporting and 'work-around'. IT'S ABOUT GOOGLE!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||7/11/13 10:06 AM|
Toeing the company line? You have to be kidding. I hardly use company products. I don't get paid by them. I'm one of the TC's who doesn't like what they are doing to Gmail. I use Blackberry products because Google cannot follow me.
The only two products I really use are Gmail and Picasa.
Now the questions that I and others would like you to respond to. Did my previous advice work for you? Did Search find the emails you were looking for? Did it take any longer than using Sort?
As I've said before I was trained and gained my certificates in Microsoft Office so Sort was what I learned first but I find it easier and more accurate to use Search.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Tamalika Das||7/13/13 8:10 PM|
Please let me know how to arrange gmail messages by date, I mean the last message should come up first
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Shipping Dept, Pakistan Steel||7/16/13 8:34 PM|
sort by date
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Bryan Scholtes||7/18/13 6:00 AM|
And now the new inbox comes out... and still no sorting. It's clear that Google is interested in monetizing first.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||wdurham||7/18/13 6:50 AM|
It's clear that Google is interested in monetizing first.
How else do you think Google might be able to afford to give you an entire suite of free internet applications without monetization?
No money = no free Google applications. Google is not a registered charity.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ruth Ann Pomeroy||7/18/13 10:30 AM|
just received the new gmail and my emails need to be sorted by date received. Can you assist me?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ruth Ann Pomeroy||7/18/13 10:33 AM|
Sorry my system is a Windows XP, use internet explorer to access gmail.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Bryan Scholtes||7/18/13 10:42 AM|
Adding a "sort by header" bar does not interfere with monetization except for possibly a programmer opportunity cost, which I can only assume is the case. Don't be obtuse.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Jessica Desmond||7/18/13 10:46 AM|
There is a fundamental difference between a SEARCH function and a SORT function...
Search - returns one or more results that fall inside a set of parameters
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||My Name is My Name||7/18/13 11:13 AM|
Uh, uh, uhhh! Don't try to change the subject. Google is NOT (check your stock ticker) a non-profit organization. They are a very large and successful corporation who depends upon its users (that's us). Columnar sorting has been STANDARD for decades, and to ignore it is to not only ignore the users that make Google $$$, but to destroy decades of standardization of tools humanity has come to depend on. So go climb back under your rock, please.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Skorpytoo||7/21/13 9:34 AM|
You see, C Man, I am STILL getting all these unwanted posts in my "trash" files (after opting out by email, using the "discontinue this.." button, etc.) So, like it or not, I'm able to see that thousands of complaining users are STILL being answered with either nonchalance or pure disdain. And now Google wants us to buy their cellphone systems and tablets? hmmmmmmmmm... wonder what kind of customer support we could expect to get for those?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Skorpytoo||7/21/13 9:44 AM|
You see, C Man, I am STILL getting all these unwanted posts in my "trash" files (after opting out by email, using the "discontinue this.." button, etc.) So, like it or not, I'm able to see that thousands of complaining users are STILL being answered with either nonchalance or pure disdain. And now Google wants us to buy their cellphone systems and tablets? hmmmmm.... wonder what kind of customer support we could expect to get with those?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||brugge||7/22/13 1:49 PM|
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Philip Richman||7/24/13 9:43 AM|
I recent (tentatively) switched to gmail. I agree. Lack of sorting is a BIG problem with gmail. I thought I was missing something, but it looks like gmail is missing something instead. Are you listening???
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Philip Richman||7/24/13 10:13 AM|
One other thought: Perhaps gmail did this after adopting the archive everything policy. The data sets would be too large for some sorts. Okay, but how about letting us sort smaller sets, such as the spam folder.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j. ax||7/24/13 10:54 AM|
Like you, there are hundreds of us on this forum who decided or were coaxed to go to Gmail because we assumed that Gmail must be better and more organized. Then we all were astounded when we coulnt search. So we all got on this forum trying to see what was wrong. We all assumed it was run by Google. The answers we have been given are that we must use labels and that it is impossible to sort. If we want to sort we must have gmail re-delivered to Outlook or Thunderbird.
This forum is not truly monitored or ran by Google. Nobody here has any influence with Gmail. Gmail has no interest in sort although they did have a poll asking if people wanted sort. The main advisers here are helpful but more like cheerleaders who are just trying to help us deal with a product we don't like.
The reasons or excuses that I have heard is that it is not possible for Gmail to be sorted alphabetically because of the conversation type of storage. If Outlook and thunderbird can re-transform email and make it sortable, Gmail could offer this option and eliminate the need for running yet another software.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j. ax||7/24/13 10:54 AM|
I thank the people who offer advice on how to work and operate gmail, I wish they would help influence Gmail to offer sort and I wish they would not pick on people who are very frustrated and are at wits end because Gmail does not sort.
Many comments which offer advice are also laced with snide insults like the SNL skit where Jimmy Fallon is Nick Burns the computer-IT guy who humiliates and laughs at the office workers. http://www.hulu.com/watch/19050 "its the email thats stupid not you, right?" MOVE!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j. ax||7/24/13 10:59 AM|
Gmail chose not to allow sorting. There is a lot of advice here as to how to deal this. Many advisers have given instructions how to set up labels in order to automatically file email. It works for some but others want the sort function to visually see all the email in some sort of an order (pardon the pun) instead of a filtered label system.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Phil CH||7/25/13 10:44 AM|
It's true that many people are just complaining without even trying to use alternative (and sometimes more efficient) solutions.
On the other side it's also a real hard fact that not all "sort based" solutions can be replaced by labeling and filtering. There are situations where labeling and filtering are not a valid replacement.
It doesn't look like Google is willing to address this weak point at all.
Till the day Google will decide to close down their IMAP access...
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||kathy morgan||7/25/13 5:22 PM|
i'm just trying to retrieve a email sent from gmail today that I accidently deleted and can't locate in all mail, gmail trash .... that's all I want. I'm not a computer person and iknow it had important info and I was going to put it in a special folder .... frustrated w google in general , maybe I need to channge
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||viviane107||8/1/13 1:37 PM|
I agree! My emails got sorted all out of order and I can't get it back by date. Now gmail is sorting email and seperating them on it's own. I used to love gmail but I think Ill go back to Yahoo being my main email.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||rshecterle||8/2/13 6:32 AM|
OK. This is a must-have feature! Who is the product manager for gmail? This should have been in v1.0! I agree that the lack of at least a simple sort for each column is a major fail. And no, advanced search does not satisfy the requirement. This thread shows that real business users (not a theoretical market) need this functionality. Sorting the messages allows me to manage my in-box effectively, and discover things like frequency, staleness, attachments, etc. Perhaps when gmail was primarily a personal tool this was less of an issue, but if Google wants this to become a business tool, they need to add business functionality. Google apps are useless to me if I can't tie in my email and use it appropriately.
I hope someone from Google reads these threads.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Kitty KB||8/2/13 9:32 AM|
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Kitty KB||8/2/13 9:33 AM|
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j.ax||8/2/13 9:04 PM|
THere are many, like the c man, who have offered great tricks and techniques.
It is amazing to think of how much personal time people have spent on dealing with google's "anything but a true sort" email system.
It is unfortunate that google has put limitations on its products.
If anyone has any influence with Google, please tell us how we can get involved or somehow make google recognize people want an alternate to search: ie like sort.
If anyone has any influence with Google at all please speak up, thank you.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||sharad mohan||8/4/13 9:30 PM|
I wish to edit/ delete old mails. Hence I would like to sort inbox messages datewise - oldest to new
Operating system is Windows 7
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j. ax||8/4/13 10:20 PM|
There are starting to be apps that can work within gmail and make it better or be a better part of another app.
I would like to know how good of a combination this would be?
There have been some great techs on this forum that have given specific advice on how to get gmail to work within the programming limits of gmail. Please lend your ability and consider a combination with Evernote. How could the advantages of gmail work along with evernote? Or how would you make gmail more useful?
There have also been hundreds of people aggravated with gmail and its limitations:
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j. ax||8/4/13 11:00 PM|
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Trudy Hess||8/6/13 9:28 AM|
I totally agree. We are the customers. The fact that gmail is offered as a free service by Google is because Google makes money from having people use this service. The more users, the more money from advertisers. Seems like Google would have an incentive there to keep users happy with Gmail. It would be so easy to add a 3-category sort function. Lots of people want it, and are very disgruntled about not having it. Come on, Google, pay attention.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||icantchooseone||8/6/13 9:32 AM|
click the gear in gmail and click send feedback - note some accounts dont have that option , if you dont , click the gear , click help , click send feedback
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Samantha Larkman||8/7/13 5:11 PM|
As great a lover of Google I am, I have to agree that I would also appreciate the facility to sort by date, subject or sender. Surely it's not such a difficult thing for the whizzes at Google!?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||MTAYLORUSA||8/9/13 4:55 PM|
I cannot believe how long this thread has been going on, and Gmail has not done anything in response. Lame.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||amr mohsen||8/11/13 4:16 AM|
really can't even be possible an e-mail host with no such option wow !
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Thomas Fitchette||8/11/13 6:09 AM|
I suppose its purely a business leveraging decision on Google's part.
How else would Google be able to determine/use/market how people use the search within their email program. Sorting is not something they can monitor/meter/market (monetize as their business strength and have advertisers push content). It's a business decision, to not be like their competitors and use a system they employ in their search engine site, where ad metrics are king. This is what I suppose. It is horrible that Google does not address this issue which is about as old as their email system. It's also sad that some good to needed features are treated as Labs and those could disappear without good notice. With universities signing on the Google Apps as-is, it's not likely that Google has enough pressures to add the standards of a sortable columns when they've been ignoring individuals this long, but at least they are kind enough to not delete the threads of people asking, here and on the developer forums.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||luesan13||8/12/13 1:47 PM|
'Cause it would really a pain in my butt to change my email provider & then have to inform EVERYBODY that sends me any. :(
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Dbestrealestateguy||8/13/13 8:53 AM|
You dont know what the f-u-c-k you are talking about mister dumbass seaman. google use to sort by date by default. And dont F-U-K-K-I-N-G tell me that google has a better search engine. Yahoo has a search engine that will find what ever you type into it. part of a thing and it will match what you type. email name word whatever. BUT THE BIGGEST F-C-K-ING DIFFERENCE IS THAT YAHOO WILL SORT BY SUBJECT SENDER OR DATE. WHO IN THEIR FUUUUCKING RIGHT MIND WOULD PREVENT SORTING BY DATE. AND YOU STUPID IDIOT BEING DIFFERENT IS ON GOOD WHEN IT IS BETTER. AND WITH YAHOO (UNLESS THAT HAS CHANGED) YOU CAN STICK WITH A PREVIOUS VERSION IF YOU DONT LIKE THE NEW ONE. I WAS GOING TO SWITCH TO GMAIL FROM YAHOO. BUT LIKE A PREVIOUS COMMENTER SAID YOU DONT KNOW HOW GOOD YOU GOT IT UNLESS YOU TRY TO CHANGE. I DONT SEE ANY COMMENT PRAISING TO HIGH HEAVEN ABOUT HOW GOOD GMAIL. ONLY COMPLAINTS. BASED ON THESE COMMENTS AND MY 5 SECONDS OF USING THE NEW GMAIL, YOU CAN TAKE GMAIL AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR A-S-S. AND YOU STUPID MORON MAKING WORK FOR THE COMPLAINT HERE DOES NOT AFFECT THOSE WHO DO LIKE IT (PROBABLY 0) i WILL NOT USE GMAIL AND I ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO LIKEWISE. BOTH CMAN AND GMAIL SUCK. AND i WILL PROBABLY GIVE UP CHROME BECAUSE IT IS ALWAYS CRASHING.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j. ax||8/13/13 12:06 PM|
What are you talking about? There are no recent posts by cman. What was the reason for your rant? It is true, Cman can be snide, snarky, and act superior, some have complained about how he talks to others but he does offer solutions to a horrible gmail system. Hundreds of us post comments here and are very frustrated with Google. But for the most part, most here behave professional and are only sarcastic or humorous, but not childish nor act like candidate for anger management classes or work-place violence prevention therapy. It is very tough to read through your ALL CAPS rant. Do you speak to your clients in the same violent obscene voice?
Myself I think many other Google products work fairly well but Gmail is a bit of a train-wreck; I have no choice to use because it has become a central platform for my system and devices. Until alphabetical sort becomes available and they improve the counter-intuitive button locations, I have to deal with it. I wish there was another system but like many, we just don't have the time or patience to try and find another solution. We are stuck with what Google gives us for and learning how to deal with a sub-standard mail solution.
Unfortunately, nobody on this forum has any influence with Google,
I highly doubt that anyone from Google ever monitors these forums.
If you need to attack Cman or someone else, is there a way to send a private message?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Dbestrealestateguy||8/13/13 12:22 PM|
OH STUPID TheCman how the fuck you search for something you dont even know you received. Surely I am not suppose to search by send every fucking day and for each possible sender. I have 100 on my email list. I am suppose to do 100 searches every day??? that does even take into consideration of an email I want to read but is not on my list. Just wondering how stupid can you and gmail get. I am not waiting to find out.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Dbestrealestateguy||8/13/13 12:36 PM|
hmm need a sort function on this forum to find post by TheCMan
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Dbestrealestateguy||8/14/13 1:34 PM|
it has already happened
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Dbestrealestateguy||8/14/13 1:49 PM|
Just go back to the beginning and you will find his posts on page 1. Being in a hurry, I did not realize that this forum is listed oldest first instead of most recent when I posted. I agree you need a sort function for posters. It should be like youtube if you reply to someone and post other can click the link to show the comment that is being responded to. I cant believe that some one can be that stupid, so i just had to respond. he will probably never see it.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||C F extreme||8/14/13 4:53 PM|
that isnt SORT that is SEARCH..... you either dont understand....or you are deliberately avoiding the question
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||C F extreme||8/14/13 4:56 PM|
as a 77 year old man, you might want to pull your head out of your ass and realize that this is a Standard feature in every email package. Standarde because people WANT it, USE it, EXPECT it... because it is IMPORTANT... not because we are robots. .... you are a condescending jerk
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j. ax||8/14/13 6:36 PM|
To: Dbestrealestateguy and C F extreme,
Who are you both talking to?
I think you both have good points to make (minus the obscenities) but your comments appear out of context. like a one sided conversation. Who are you both talking to? Is someone sending you messages that are not appearing on this thread?
if you are getting messages please cut-n-paste them so we all can see. there are many condescending jerks here but who was it and what did they say? (i could probably guess though).
and yes google's failure is demonstrated in this forum by not being able to quickly sort and view all replies.
and..... what had already happened?
Oh, remember that the reason there are condescending advisers on this forum is possibly because they enjoy getting angry outbursts from normally level headed people with legitimate concerns thereby negating the common sense complaints against google . Its unfortunate and sorta sad really.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Norm Nicastro||8/15/13 7:48 AM|
I just jump on this thread. I'm not about to read hundreds of past post. But apparently date sorting is a feature most people want.
I'm thinking I want to go to G-mail as my default mail.
BUT....If I can't sort according to date (both ascending or descending), name, subject, etc, what good is g-mail?
Geez, such a simple request and they can't, won't do it? Why bother. Good bye G-mail.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||shorty82||8/15/13 8:17 AM|
Gmail does not offer sort as Google believes searching returns more and better results. Gmail has one of, if not the, most powerful search systems anywhere. The following references will help you learn how to use search to quickly and efficiently find what you are looking for.
About Gmail search - Gmail Help
Advanced search - Gmail Help
A Gmail Miscellany
Also, sorting would not work with Conversation mode and Gmail was built around conversation mode and searching.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||rshecterle||8/15/13 8:38 AM|
Shorty82 - I am a software VP - Product Management, and have been for enterprise-class companies. This issue is a classic case of the product manager being enamored of his/her technology (Google search) at the expense of the actual usage of the product by the market. This is a PM 101 problem! Here's the use case...for a variety of reasons, I keep a lot of emails in my inbox (as well as using folders). Search doesn't work because I often don't know what I might be searching for. Sorting allows me to discover items and trends that I can't see in the inbox by date alone. This is NOT A CASE OF FINDING ONE OR TWO EMAILS OR EVEN A GROUP OF KNOWN EMAILS! (sorry for shouting, but it doesn't seem to be getting through to the "Google knows better" crowd) Yes, even I use search for that. This is a case of managing my inbox quickly and efficiently. I, and others, need both search AND sort for that. Right now gmail feels like a fine solution for talking to Aunt Martha...not one for running my business.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Jon Waite||8/19/13 7:41 AM|
My company has just switched over to Gmail, we (globally) are all working through the different options Gmail have to offer. Many of the gadgets available are good, although different I'm sure we will all get used to theses. However and here it comes, today everyone has been asking how you sort the emails in your inbox. Couldn't find any App for this in settings or the Lab. So I came here and honestly can't believe the Google haven't yet put in a fix for this. to me there can be only 2 reasons, number 1 is google simply can't do it (sorry don't believe this) and number 2 someone high up in Google decided a long time ago that a search option wasn't needed and now so much time has passed they just won't (not can't) but wont back down.
Grow Up Google and put in a sort option. for F sake just do it....!!!!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||shorty82||8/19/13 9:35 AM|
Jon, read my post above.
A big reason sorting would not work in Gmail is that Gmail is built around conversations, which cannot be sorted by their very nature.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||rshecterle||8/19/13 9:57 AM|
Actually, that's not really true. First, conversation mode can be turned off. In that case sorting would be perfectly fine. Second, all of the core data regarding the emails is part of the conversation, and reasonable sorting with options, could be designed and implemented. As a matter of fact, I would argue that this provides an opportunity for some Google differentiation.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j.ax||8/19/13 10:10 AM|
Yes, in fact outlook web enterprise has conversations which can be turned on or off. AND it can also sort regardless of the conversation mode, however some buried emails are hidden if in conversation mode.
I use outlook Web enterprise for the military and it does both search and sort.
Google has the capability, they just chose not to offer it.
They also are taking a poll asking if users want sort. The results are hidden though.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j.ax||8/19/13 10:38 AM|
> Jon, there are hundreds of people on this site who are equally astounded that Google has intentionally foregone sort and opted to prove there search capabilities.
> However, this site is not really monitored by Google and is left to other users to solve problems. Some possibly work for Google but it is a crapshoot if they really care.
> The possibility of adding sort is real. There was a poll that asked users if they want this option. I posted it in an earlier post. But it was well hidden somewhere in googles oddly placed buttons.
> It is very possible for Google to use sort as they recommend that Outlook, Thunderbird, and other programs should be used to sort.
> I believe that Google has opted for their search and labels as a way to further channel advertising information to customers. On a mobile phone these functions funnel into Google Cards.
> I recently found that other applications work inside of Google , some cost money, buy that might be the main point: that Google produces a simple functioning program with open source and allows other companies to R&D solutions and sell apps.
> I wish you luck.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Adrian Vickery||8/20/13 9:55 AM|
just answer the question. ability to sort from inside the software has absolutely nothing to do with what operating system, antivirus, or toolbars one is using. It's like you are forcing users to keep enormous amounts of data and emails for some other reason - marketing? spam? for crying out loud, just answer the question.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j.ax||8/20/13 10:19 AM|
To Adrian Vickery,
I am sorry. I am unable to answer the question as to why Google will not allow sort. NOBODY here officially represents Google and nobody will give you an official reason. They are all guessing and some are making educated guesses others are making prejudiced guesses.
I absolutely hate how gmail does not allow sort. It is in their capability.
I am only trying to offer pragmatic observations to those who want sort and trying to counter snarky comments by those who defend gmail non-sort system.
What I see is this thread is how to make the best of the train wreck. There is nothing that can be done here to stop or change Google's policy.
The senior advisers offer good solutions to help make gmail work better. But there is nothing they can do to add sort.
Nobody here has any influence on gmail.
I am on your side. And I wish gmail had sort. Every other functioning email system has sort and search and some have 'conversation mode' with both sort and search as well.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j.ax||8/20/13 10:21 AM|
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j.ax||8/20/13 10:21 AM|
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Joe Pearson||8/28/13 7:30 PM|
I am with you and everyone else. Without a proper sort function (simple buttons that any webmail does already) gmail is just 2nd rate. As much as I would like to got back to my yahoo (they screwed me too, so I came here) it looks like I will be moving on to outlook.com. Thanks for NOT listening to the people gmail/google.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Bresil||8/30/13 7:42 PM|
I'm a GMail fan, really, but this lack of sort functionality really makes it difficult to clear out old eMails from the inbox with any kind of efficiency.
+1 for sort functionality from a fan. I know sorting comes with overhead and UI compromises but you're smart coders, pop an energy drink and throw darts at the wall 'till something sticks. 8)
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Elisabeth Holmes||8/31/13 11:53 AM|
That's why I left gmail.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Richa Pande||9/2/13 8:25 AM|
same here. its bloody annoying to not be able to sort. sorting is the most basic of features...
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Nonhlanhla suzen||9/4/13 2:43 AM|
T agree, why can't gmail be like Outlook and be able to sort by just a click of a button....simple and to the point.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Tim collins||9/5/13 8:15 AM|
Go to the link below and cast your suggestion to allow sorting. It blows my mind that this is NOT already a standard feature. If I had not had Gmail for so many years I would be switching over to another provider. I currently have an account set up with gmx.com but have been reluctant to make the switch. Hopefully with more people pushing for gmail to get a "sort" feature things will change.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Leona Knutson||9/5/13 5:12 PM|
I do I get my emails to show up by earliest date
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Jose Kuruvila||9/5/13 9:19 PM|
date: Fri, Jun 21,2013 at 12:28 pm
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Phlurim||9/6/13 7:51 PM|
It's forum threads like this that drive me nuts. This thread started in December 2011 and I STILL don't know how/if I can re-format the Gmail Inbox to show messages in a Date/To/From/Subject layout. In particular, suggestions to read a specific Knowledgebase article are almost always extremely unsatisfying, because they add yet another layer of technical gobbledygook. I would prefer no response at all if a problem solution can't be given in a simple point form "how to" answer. Not everyone is in the same place when it comes to a technical understanding of suggested problem solutions. And Google doesn't help either by frequently taking away certain s/w features that most customers have found useful to the point of making the s/w enjoyable to use.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Garrett Axelson||9/6/13 8:31 PM|
The answer is NO.
Gmail will not sort alphabetical.
People here will give techniques to show you how to jump through hoops like a dog-n-pony show to partially search.
But gmail will not allow a simple sort.
Nobody here can influence Google to change their minds. We are left with a bunch of people advising us as to how we negotiate through a maze of g-crap.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Garrett Axelson||9/6/13 8:31 PM|
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Keras Garda||9/13/13 8:01 AM|
I absolutely agree. I was thinking of moving from Yahoo email and set up a Gmail account and I cannot believe that Gmail does not have sort buttons on top. How rediculous.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||oh Gmail!||9/13/13 1:45 PM|
For goodness sake even AOL has an instant sort function! I just can't believe we have been requesting this forever. AOL is on the bottom of the email chain and you guys are still not able to figure it out? Please, listen to your users and enable this feature now.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||John Crisp||9/14/13 3:52 PM|
SOLUTION: Use Mozilla Thunderbird (Open Source) and setup an IMAP connection to your GMail (and other) account(s) then you can sort, etc. like a "NORMAL" email client with a well-designed, aesthetically pleasing, easy-to-use interface.
a *MUCH* better User Interface eXperience (IMHO).
EXAMPLES: other than NORMAL sort by Subject, Sender, Date, etc:
2. Right click to create New "Folder(s)" (Label)
3. See all your Folders (Labels) in a nice easy to use and see hierarchy.
4. Visually is superior (typography, design, etc.)
5. Tabbed email browsing, multiple tabs can be opened.
6. LARGE separate re-sizeable New Message/Compose window that opens with easy to use controls for text formatting.
7. Etc, etc.
NOTE: only comes in desktop version, no mobile version, development is now mainly focused on security and stability maintenance.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Engr. M. Faheem Abid||9/18/13 2:58 AM|
PLEASE TELL ME IF I WANT TO ADD ANY EMAIL ID IN ALREADY SENT EMAIL ON THAT DATE, HOW CAN I DO. PLEASE REPLY.
THANKFUL TO YOU.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Engr. M. Faheem Abid||9/18/13 3:05 AM|
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||icantchooseone||9/18/13 4:13 AM|
open an email from them , click the top right down arrow next to reply , click add xxx to contacts , if you don't see that option then the person is already in your contacts
or just reply to them to auto save if you havent disabled that feature
or hover over the sender's name , when the hover card pops up choose add to contacts , if you don't see that option then the person is already in your contacts or your chat is turned off
or click gmail at top left , click contacts , click new contact
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Kathy Litch||9/18/13 8:31 AM|
We just switched our school to gmail ... and I'm sorry I didn't look at the user interface first. Using labels instead of folders might be wonderful for really advanced techies, but my teachers just need simple email. AND, not being able to sort mail is creating a headache for them (and thus, for me) as well. Advanced searching is just too advanced and too slow. Teachers don't have long breaks to learn how to become proficient.
At the end of the month we'll be switching to Thunderbird .. in spite of the time it will take me to do this switch, it will be so much easier for the end users!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Steve Dowler||9/18/13 4:53 PM|
Mr. GrumpyOldBear, I agree completely with you. For such a big company that thinks it is competing with good email services, Google has either ignored the defacto standards or are oblivious to them. Either case is bad news for the user and could be financially harmful to Google.
There is no reason for Google not to provide the simple and universal feature of sorting by various fields for easy management of our email.
However, this is not the first example of this kind of behavior, witness the fact that there is no phone support and no chat support offered by Google. The users are left to their own devices, resorting to the frustration of preaching to the choir (we poor users).
Ah well, now I feel better, nothing like a good rant to clear the mind.
ps: Mr GrumpyOldBear, we have a few bears up here in the Rockies which also agree with you and I would be happy to send them to Mountain View Google HQ if I could just get them on an airplane without TSA noticing!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||bkc56||9/18/13 5:01 PM|
...and could be financially harmful to Google.
Without meaning to negate any of your comments, I'd like to point out that Gmail has never had sort (since 2004) and has not had any live support for most (all?) of that time. Neither of those facts appear to have hurt Gmail or Google thus far.
Of course, as they say: past history is no indication of future performance.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||bergrrt||9/20/13 12:56 PM|
Google doesn't listen because they know best and it's all about Google anyway...
They promote never having to worry about deleting e-mails but if you ever want to sort and delete wholesale groupings at some point you are severely limited in being selective about it at all!!! They can sort, sift and mine your e-mail data to their hearts content, but you can't...
Although one can delete everything and drop an account at any time, very few actually do that. At least we aren't paying with money, just ad exposure time.
Have a great day!!!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||tessiett33||9/22/13 2:11 PM|
My emails are starting from february how do i get them bake to the most recent
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||dragonfly8964||9/23/13 9:45 AM|
Agreed. Obviously the desire (and demand) are present for the sort option (rather than the "search" option. If Outlook can do it, why can't Gmail? This was the first thing that I noticed and has been the biggest challenge that I have had since using gmail.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||scott schaffer||9/26/13 10:02 PM|
I'm just giving up and switching to thunderbird or outlook.com.
Both are better.
bye gmail, it was not good while it lasted.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||WTFisthis??????????||10/2/13 3:48 PM|
This is ridiculous. Our company recently switched to Gmail and it is ****ing with productivity. Joke of an email service.
I would have thought allowing to sort by received/sent date would be one the most basic starting points of any email service.
If I had any choice I would ditch this, alas I am stuck with it. Hope these clowns sort it out.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||miguelone236||10/2/13 5:07 PM|
Nice. Kinda like "your mean. If you don't like us get off our playground. No soup for you" I'm sorry, that is just goofy.
If Google makes money as the first company that creates great products specifically by not listening to their customers, that will be a first in the business world. Hubris does not come close to describing the responses I have read on this subject.
You lot ought to talk to the Picasa blokes. They just kindly ignore such things as improvements on face recognition asked for by their ignorant users; so Picasa can't see a face big as Sergei himself. If you could only point to it and say 'look again right here'. Well that is just to damn bad. Simple as that may be, Google has deemed that functionality stupid, because, well because no-one is left in the coding room that can put two commands together. They have moved on to important things like mapping asteroids and predicting the earths ultimate demise, or mind control. All useful, except when they move on leaving glitches missing some asteroids, or controlling minds but can't sort out whose mind it is.
Sarcasm aside folks, any business that is not customer-centric is doomed like the frog that is so slowly boiled, he doesn't realize he is cooked. Ask Microsoft, or the big three how that worked for them.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||j.ax||10/2/13 5:50 PM|
I do not like Gmail and actually now I thank them: a while back I was very dependent on email and then switched 100% to gmail from yahoo for mail and outlook for task organization. They have effectively driven me to email less (and call and talk more) and I found a great product (evernote!!!) for organization because google tasks is horrible.
What I find amazing is how all the defenders of gmail say how great the search is in place of a sort function. Yet there is NO SEARCH for TASKS. How unbelievable. But there is some sort of third party app (which costs $) that might be able to make google tasks more useable.
What I think is happening is that Google is encouraging other apps to perform functions that google doesnt provide.
For example, Evernote is linked into google somehow.
anyway, gmail sucks, it always will, and it is only for those who love being Nick Burns the IT guy. google it and then compare it to some of those on this forum.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||miguelone236||10/3/13 5:59 AM|
I actually like GMail. Picasa too. GDrive is useless; I can't find a use for a cloud storage that duplicates files on the cloud and on your hard drive, GB after GB - ain't nobody got time for that.
What makes these comments germane to this thread is the response; zip. GMail groupies respond with hubris. Picasa with some weird variety of placation and interest. GDrive says thanks for the heads up, were on it (that was two years ago with nothing changed). The flavors are all slightly different, but the substance is identical; too bad, so sad.
My concern is as an investor holding a substantial (for me) number of shares of Google. In short I feel this will not end well. For now, I have a few years in my estimation before the frog boils (Google it), and I will ride the wave, knowing I will have to jump ship eventually. No-one can run a business while treating the customer like a nobody. At least, not forever.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Jean Pierre Germain||10/6/13 4:01 PM|
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|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Madurobob||10/10/13 2:15 PM|
Add me to the list of those dissatisfied w/gmail. Gmail is a joke of an email client. After using it for a brief time I cannot understand why anyone would use it stand-alone for any kind of high volume or business critical situation. Its great for storage, cloud collaboration, etc.. but the actual email client is pitiful.
For any kind of serious email use, you need to front-end gmail with an email client that actually works - thunderbird, etc...
And guess what? If google added some very simple and basic email client features, like sorting by header, *lots* of users would abandon their third party email clients. I suspect this would give google more opty to target advertising to gmail customers, but it seems they don't want to play in that game (yet).
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||mechanesthesia||10/10/13 3:58 PM|
OK, I have been over this for the past 5 years. This is the only feature that is keeping me from switching to Gmail, and I am so tired of waiting for them to implement something so simple.
What is wrong with the people at Google that they think sorting is the same of searching?
If you receive a bunch of newsletters and you want to get rid of them, are we expected to just know everything we are searching for? The point of sorting is to help us clear out our inbox and help us find recurring unwanted emails which we may have inadvertently signed up for. And no, adding some third party extension, using a separate program using POP, or doing some convoluted url modification are not acceptable alternatives for something so simple. We are in the age of the "cloud" and we need access to our emails from different devices and locations, and we are not going to have whatever particular extension we need to sort at any given time.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||bkc56||10/10/13 7:14 PM|
They don't think it's the same, they feel (correct or not) that for most use-cases it's better.
Personally, I almost never used sorting when I used a traditional e-mail client. I still use Outlook at work which has sorting, but I never use it (although I use search a lot). And I don't miss sorting in Gmail (I've never said "I wish I could sort this label").
...are we expected to just know everything we are searching for?
Well, if you can find just ONE of the things you are looking for, you know the sender, or the name of the organization, or something that you could use search to find all the rest.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||flwilliams1970||10/11/13 9:19 AM|
I agree with the other posts here. The fact that the "sort by sender" feature is not available could lead me to switch all of my emails away from gmail.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Steve32||10/12/13 5:37 AM|
What a piece of crap system to be so cumbersome to use.
And I see that the Fox11online link to a potential workaround has been disabled, probably by the machinations of Google.
We already know that Google systems are reading our mail, so I assume that the lack of that sorting feature is due to some sort of interference that would cause to their spying on our email.
Chalk me up as another dissatisfied user (who finally ran across this question).
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Fuzzy||10/12/13 8:28 AM|
I have a tin foil hat that I'm not using, Steve, if you would like it.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Norm Nicastro||10/13/13 2:21 PM|
Perhaps the reason Google does not change to what we are asking for is because they are not loosing any members. I for one hate the fact that I can't sort by date. But even though I don't use Gmail for that reason, I have not closed my account. I suspect most people do the same. Why bother closing the account. Just don't bother with it. It may be an apathetic way of looking at it but that's the way of today's world.
There are too many other mail clients that do sort by date and in spite of other drawbacks its easier to stick with what you already have and just say screw G-mail. Of course Gmail doesn't know this so they won't change. Another thing I noticed is that institutions that force its employees to go to Gmail do so because other features seem to fit what they think they want. But that's just one IT guy that does not utilize the mail client the way the employees do in terms of running the operation on a day to day business level. So...Gmail thinks its doing great and nobody complains (except verbally) in such a way to affect Gmail at the bottom line.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Malecki||10/15/13 8:21 AM|
You shouldn't have to choose advanced search options to display emails sorted by sender, subject, etc. This is a basic feature that gmail should include. Don't be afraid to take some ideas from Outlook - they have some good ones.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Catherine Vignole||10/16/13 7:04 AM|
I have the same problem. Gmail is not user friendly.
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|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Josefino Gonzales||10/17/13 10:05 AM|
I have been emailing google to add this feature of being able to sort email messages because it makes it easy to manage emails but it seems like google does not think this is an important feature. I have a gmail account but I use yahoo because yahoo has this. And there's too many other features on google that I don't need. It's not very user friendly because most of the other features are hidden. Well they have to hide it because there's too many choices.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||not loving it||10/17/13 10:42 AM|
I fully agree with the basic need to sort emails in any folder (inbox or other) by sender, date, subject at minimum. I'm new to gmail and am looking to move off it already because this necessary feature doesn't exist. Major error on behalf of the gmail development team.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Wiredog||10/17/13 11:55 AM|
On Wednesday, June 20, 2012 3:13:16 PM UTC-5, The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor) wrote:
> By customer do you mean you are paying for GMail?
> Do what thousands (perhaps millions) do and use a third party specifically for sorting (Thunderbird perhaps) and that way you have the best of both worlds.
> Gmail is different. Always was and hopefully always will be. There is no difference to what you signed into when you first opened your account and approximately 350 million other users are happy with it so why would you want to spoil it for them.
> The other email systems do not have a search system that works anything close to Gmail's search.
By "customer" we are refering to the fact we allow Google to use our personal information for it's sales purposes. No, we do not shell out cash to them, but they are turning a profit using our information.
Yes, we are aware Gmail is different than other email services. It was first provided to fill a nitch that was not filled at the time. At it's infancy the company actually seemed to care about the end user's (customer) oppinions.
As MANY have already pointed out, GMail's search features are great, better than any other email service I have found. No one is disputing that, it just does not sort our email by sender. We, the customers, would like that simple feature to sort what is in our inbox by the sender. This is a very handy feature consumers like that apparently every email provider besides Google has figured out how to do. Maybe you have never needed that, but the vast majority of email users do.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||10/17/13 12:55 PM|
If an address is in your Contacts it's been sorted alphabetically so just open Contacts and hover over a name to have the virtual card pop up, click on the word "email" and it will find all the emails to and from that person. You can also hover over the name anywhere you can find it so if you want to do it from an email you have just received (even if it is not open) it will work. No need to go to a folder or come out of what you are doing to find them.
My opinion is Search is a lot faster so if you are prepared to spend an hour learning how to use it which is probably less time than it takes to complain about it you might just find it really does work for you.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Shanna2000||10/21/13 12:59 PM|
Thank you for help to this solution! As of now there are 26 pages and after glancing over about 4 pages I just went to the last page. It would be helpful to be able to just sort a column because I do it all the time in my current email program as an alternative to the search function. However, this solution is the closest thing to that and will be extremely helpful in achieving the same. Thanks for your elder advice!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Joyce Maxwell||10/24/13 5:16 AM|
I would like to have a folder icon to click on name it and it put in a drop down lists under folder. Then it would be under the senders title/name
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||10/24/13 6:17 AM|
Google does not have folders but Labels do work so you should start by reading through How Gmail stores using Labels then if you have any problems please come back and we'll work through them with you.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Steve Veach||10/24/13 9:52 AM|
I'm also baffled and disappointed by such presumably simple functionality to add.
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|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Steve Veach||10/24/13 9:57 AM|
I'm sorry but this suggestion doesn't even appear to be related to the problem we're discussing in this thread.
Maybe I'm missing something. How does this allow one to instantly sort by the From: field for example by clicking a single button?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||10/24/13 10:18 AM|
Have you tried hovering over a name to bring up a virtual card where you can click on Emails and it will find every email from and to that address? If you don't want the ones To then delete that section from the Search bar.
I know it's not sorting or creating Folders or the rest of the work that is necessary when you set a third party system up but it's fast and the advanced search operators work faster than Sort as far as I can see.
I was trained in Windows and for myself I have not needed most of what I have learned since using Gmail.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Phlurim||10/24/13 7:49 PM|
I'm giving up on this thread topic. Yes, I concede that the Gmail Search function is great and powerful; but, most of the time, most people also want/need easier and quicker ways to do "batch" sorts of their Inbox (as per OE, Apple Mail, et al). Moving on.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||10/25/13 6:33 AM|
The ones you mentioned are not cloud based. They are on your computer and third party. You can use those by adding your Gmail account to them.
Tell us what batch sort you are trying for and perhaps we can show you how.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Sperry23||10/26/13 4:49 PM|
Short answer: You can't.
GMail does not provide that functionality and the company has repeatedly indicated that they will not institute it. You are to use their product as they think you should, not as you wish to. Should that not be acceptable, you free to use any other service you wish.
Harsh, but there you are.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Norm Nicastro||10/26/13 6:29 PM|
Correct you are. And most people who want the sorting feature don't use it. But they don't bother to resign from g-mail. Why bother? So as a result G-mail has a false sense of unity and what people want because their membership is bloated and false.
Sad but true.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||10/26/13 6:51 PM|
Most who want sort and folders still use Gmail but through a third party app such as Thunderbird, Outlook or Applemail.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||robert seward||10/29/13 10:08 PM|
I think I can speak for a percentage of "customers" here when I say the ONLY reason I maintain a Gmail account is because the fine state of Texas insists on it while I'm in job-search mode (for Texas Workforce Commission); They somehow believe using my real name in my email address and being on Gmail validates my employability. I insure you as soon as I get that job, will be dumping this sorry third world backwoods interface in a heartbeat. Gmail really is unusable- I hate the state is making me use it. If you really want to attract permanent customers who would gladly view the spam bar, LISTEN to their suggestions and make Gmail useable!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||10/30/13 12:57 AM|
So pleased you have spoken up for the percentage of 220 "here" but the remainder of the 450,000,000 or so Gmail users don't seem to be worried about being hobbled by the lack of folders or Sort procedures.Would you really want Google to take Gmail back into the dark ages when Microsoft (Outlook.com) and Yahoo are trying to play catch up with their own versions of Search and one of those two has failed miserably?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Norm Nicastro||10/30/13 3:54 AM|
A resounding YES.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ju Jue Nge||11/2/13 7:26 PM|
In my gmail time is always different the real time. What is the problem with my computer. So I can't get the exact information which i need to do with time and date. What should I do. Please give me some advice.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Ju Jue Nge||11/2/13 7:29 PM|
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Not giving my info...||11/5/13 1:05 PM|
after seeing how gmail is mocking users and thumbing their noses at the posters here, I am going to another email client. I don't even want the confusing google+ mess. Oh, by the way Gmail...Remember the retail giant Montgomery Ward? You Don't.....Yeah, that's because someone did do it better.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Fuzzy||11/5/13 7:01 PM|
Best of luck to you.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Citsme||11/11/13 6:17 PM|
While Gmail is more fun to use, I forward just my main Gmail account to Outlook for many reasons. One main reason, is that I decided that I was getting too many duplicate emails primarily caused by signing up at a website with one email, forgetting when I next go back to the site and signing up with another email. I believed that this was working for me perfectly.
I had reason to go to my forwarded Gmail account directly and there was nothing in the inbox as I had hoped. Unfortunately, I came across another issue.
I had over 300 emails in SPAM that were approximately 75% real spam and 25% emails I wanted.
To complicate it, these are not business emails where I would necessarily know the sender and handle it with Advanced Search rules (which I am not very good at!)
Do you have any suggestions except to check more than one email inbox a day? :)
Is Gmail at least working on alphabetizing emails? It is one of the main reasons I must continue with Outlook.
Thank you for your time and assistance!
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||11/12/13 1:37 AM|
Add names or addresses of who they are from to Contacts and it's done. Hovering over a name in Contacts will bring up a virtual card and clicking on Emails will find all of them.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Larry L. Uland||11/13/13 8:54 AM|
Count me in with the group of dissatisfieds. I only wish my competitors treated our mutual prospects like the Google status-quo advocates in this forum speak of/to those of us desiring Google to make G-Mail more User friendly.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||11/13/13 11:17 AM|
Those of us who have spent an hour or so learning how to use Search, Labels, Filters and Gmail in general probably find it a lot more user friendly than Sort and Folders.
As somebody who went through the hours of Microsoft Office training scheme I certainly do.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||My Name is My Name||11/13/13 11:45 AM|
There is nothing about 'Search, Labels, Filters and Gmail' which would preclude the ability to sort by any criteria one desires (standard functionality on every e-mail 'client' I have ever used... including Outlook). It is perfectly in keeping with the ethos of systems designed to suit the needs of each individual, to have both.
But, if that's how you learned it and you are the kind of person who needs 'hours of training' to learn Microsoft Office... then I guess you DO prefer to do things the way you were taught. Some of us are more adventurous than that, because our needs are always changing. This is the legacy that 'smart phones' and tablets are leaving... dumbing software down at the expense of us 'power users'.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Issam Alghasham||11/18/13 12:57 PM|
it is 2013 and nothing is done >>>Yahoo also change their features and made it worse than before but still better than goolge
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||11/18/13 4:38 PM|
I wanted to have the certificates that proved I was qualified in using and programming with Microsoft Office. Using Search was and is instinctive but if you are unable to use it then perhaps it is you who needs some training.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||11/18/13 5:07 PM|
You can use Thunderbird or Outlook if you are unable to use Search. Haven't seen much support for your statement about Yahoo being better than Google specially when it comes to email services.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||cervantzt||11/19/13 6:25 AM|
The closest thing I could find is this solution. http://www.fox11online.com/good-day-wi/higgins-hints-sort-gmail-by-sender-2012
I'm surprised this is not a standard feature.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||11/19/13 7:26 AM|
I have been giving that advice for over a year in these forums. If you want them alphabetically and the name/address is in your Contacts you can do it there.
See the advanced Search Options and you can add as many operators as you like to a search to really tighten it up as long as there is a space between each.
These are all standard features.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Sandy Snyder||11/30/13 3:15 PM|
Why do we never see a response from Google on these discussions? At least I haven't.
Sign me -- Also looking for easy sort.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||bkc56||11/30/13 5:03 PM|
Why do we never see a response from Google on these discussions?
Probably because Google has responded to the question multiple times before. Perhaps they don't feel a need to re-answer it every time it gets asked again.
Here is one sample answer given last year: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRvfXYnEVr4&feature=relmfu Skip to 55:00 (close to the end).
Pay particular attention to what Google believes is the underlying use-case which goes to why Google feels searching is more important than sorting. You may not like the answer (or agree with the premise) but it is a response to the question of sorting.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Norm Nicastro||12/1/13 5:23 AM|
And there you have it. It's not a top priority and THEY feel its not important!
Kind of like Obama Care. Take it weather you want it or not. You don't have a choice.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||12/1/13 7:33 AM|
The weather is the weather whether you want it or not.
If you check back through this thread you will find users who complained about the lack of sort and the need for folders who then found that Search combined with, Labels Filters and advanced search worked better but if you are unable to use these for some reason then you can use Thunderbird or Outlook in conjunction with Gmail which would give you the best of all worlds.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Norm Nicastro||12/2/13 3:32 AM|
Sorry to disagree. When sorting by date is the only thing one needs then using any other webmail service is the best of both worlds.
Ah but you say, what am I using at this moment? G-mail. But only as a reply. All my g-mail is ported to my webmail account (Roadrunner in this case) and I get to sort by date, sender, subject,or size. I really can't see why I need to sort any other way. It's fast and simple. No fooling with folders and extra key presses and whatnot.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Wasimraza B||12/2/13 3:41 AM|
Please help for sorting email like below is the example:
only search by From:a...@gmail.com To:me and rest to:, cc:, bcc: any other recipient email messages should not search.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||12/2/13 6:21 AM|
That is the correct search term. If you are using Conversation View then only the emails you receive from the address will be opened although the remainder of the Conversation will be included. If you turn off CV in Settings then it will only show you those you actually received from that address.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Teddy Zhou||12/2/13 9:14 AM|
I totally agree. Why the Gmail can't do sorting by sender/size? Does Anyone understand?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Wasimraza B||12/2/13 9:25 PM|
C Man, thank you for support.
But my query is not solved.
I want to search 1 to 1 email message (from: a...@gmail.com to:me), if multiple recipient found in the email message then that message should not be search.
Is this possible or not..? If "Yes" then how I can search? If "No" then any work around or in future this feature will be available..?
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||Bill Fournier||12/8/13 7:05 AM|
I have the same concern and I'm getting to the point of just going else where... The folks at google just don't seem to get it.... The customer wants to be able to sort their emails to manage things more efficiently.. Oh by the way that link that was - is no longer available.... So more wasted time...
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||12/8/13 9:07 AM|
Hover over the name of the sender and a virtual card will show. Click on Emails and they will all be found. Please explain what you mean by size.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||12/8/13 9:11 AM|
Sorry but I don't have a search term for that. The only way I can think of would need you to be able to list all the others that might have also been included so they could be minused.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||12/8/13 9:16 AM|
If you explain what you are trying to sort then maybe we can offer a way of searching which might help.
|Re: Sort Gmail messages by date, subject, sender||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||12/8/13 9:22 AM|
Microsoft and Yahoo have tried offering a combination of both and not been able to accomplish Search anywhere close to the quality Gmail offers. Better to have one system that works well than try incorporating a second poorly executed one.