| User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 4/30/12 12:29 PM | This is the Fifth in a long series of discussions that started out as a discussion of the Gmail "New Look" and now serve to provide user feedback to google to help improve the look, feel and function of the current Gmail. The previous thread can be |
| User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Notes+ | 4/30/12 12:55 PM | The old look would be nice - yes i KNOW that it will never ever be brought back and that it fine with me. Google is not run by me and whoever does can do whatever they want. Anyway, back to my point. I read somewhere that the google people are workin |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | bkc56 | 4/30/12 12:56 PM | Per request, the previous thread has been marked as a duplicate of this thread to re-direct all on-going discussions here. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Gmailisrunbyidiots | 4/30/12 12:59 PM | I have some hope for the custom theme maker, and truly hope it allows me to alter frame sizes and the colors on individual elements. Really, right now, that, and the fact that I have been able to temporarily revert to the old version, are the only re |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 4/30/12 1:08 PM | Thank you sir. Your response-time is frightening : ) |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | bkc56 | 4/30/12 1:18 PM | Pure luck that I just happened to see the new thread soon after you created it. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | HATE THE LOOK | 4/30/12 2:11 PM | I agree with you. The original gmail design was superior for readability. I spend 8 hours a day or more looking at a computer screen--much of that time in e-mail. Perhaps I will find some of the new abilities of the new look helpful, but I still n |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | DiaLav | 4/30/12 5:53 PM | I am new to this whole discussion group thing so please bare with me. I specifically signed on because of the new look and how much I to hate it! However, your post above (Gmailisrunbyidiots) says we can still go back to the old look temporarily. I |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Gmailisrunbyidiots | 5/1/12 6:33 AM | Well, I've seen a lot of the links marked as spam, and it should be understood that it is not supported, and likely to be going away or badly broken at any time, but there are instructions here that work for most people: http://qwerjk.com/revert-gmai |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Somnath. | 5/1/12 11:08 AM | Since this thread is aimed exclusively towards improving Gmail function and appearance, I thought I would bring all up to pace on the list of things we are awaiting an update from Mr. Gawley. - Custom / different themes - Fixed top header - Signatur |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Somnath. | 5/1/12 12:12 PM | I loved the "highlighting" feature of the previous style, which was subtle, personable and yet professional, and I would prefer a different theme styling simply because I do not like how this new theme overwhelms the whole page. In my mind, no matter |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Somnath. | 5/1/12 12:17 PM | For anyone interested/curious to read the previous threads to this one, please find them below in chronological order: - Gmail's new look: Do not want - General feedback on Gmail's new look - Gmail's new look: After the hangout - Gmail's new look: |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | bicho49 | 5/1/12 4:37 PM | What would happen if google REALLY CARED about their users: ok, we implement this and this change to the new look... oh, and this one too... oh, and this one and that one... ok, one more or two... and a final one... VOILA! WE'RE READY!! WELCOME TO T |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | bicho49 | 5/1/12 5:18 PM | Check this out, this is AN EXAMPLE OF CUSTOMER-ORIENTED PHILOSOPHY!!! (SARCASM!!!) SO NOW YOU'RE NOT ONLY GIVING US ABSOLUTELY NO DECISION POWER ON KEEPING THE OLD LOOK OR THE NEW LOOK... BUT ALSO, WE WILL BE LOGGIN IN EVERY SINGLE M.F. DAY WITHOUT K |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | bkc56 | 5/1/12 6:02 PM | Taken right from the top of the labs page: Gmail Labs is a testing ground for experimental features that aren't quite ready for primetime. They may change, break or disappear at any time. If the risk of a lab vanishing is too much to deal with, the |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/2/12 7:36 AM | I have come to an odd realization. I have been annoyed for a while about the lack of separation between the message body and the ads in the new gmail. For me this makes gmail unreadable without running an ad-blocker, which for various reasons I pre |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | wdurham | 5/2/12 7:49 AM | John - if you can face a userstyle (which is actually less potentially troublesome than a browser extension), try this one. I use it permanently, and apart from the colour coding which I still miss, it solves most of your complaints about this parti |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/2/12 8:38 AM | ABP is what I am using. I have a good long list of reasons that I prefer not to use it, but I also have a good long list of reasons that I prefer not to use styles, the list against styles happens to be longer. At the end of the day, I guess I sho |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Somnath. | 5/2/12 9:22 AM | John, In my opinion, more than helping to run Gmail optimally, these third-party scripts helps to satiate our individual desires to keep using features pertaining to the old look which are missing in the new one. Over time, we have come to consider s |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/2/12 10:02 AM | Somnath, that makes good sense. I just find it frustrating that I can (and have) demonstrate that the separation is: More consistent with other google products. More consistent with google's stated goals. Offers a better user experience. And the on |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | romeolima | 5/2/12 11:14 AM | Hi Gmailisrunbyidiots, I agree totally with what you say. What is the benefit to me as a user ? A lot of the features seem to be designed for a touch screen on a phone or tablet and although I have a touch screen on my phone my primary use is on my l |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jstevens1 | 5/2/12 11:39 AM | I agree with the sentiments expressed here. However, the problem with user styles is some browsers don't support them, and if you have to use a public or corporate computer, in most cases you're out of luck. Also, I agree with John that separators ar |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/2/12 11:56 AM | jstevens1 I asked that exact question a while ago. Apparently Sarah does use the "Vanilla" interface with ads active and this is normal within the gmail group. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Sarah | 5/2/12 6:10 PM | Hey Somnath, a quick summary inline: |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Somnath. | 5/2/12 9:13 PM | Ms. Price, Thank you very much. This will put things in perspective for future discussions in this forum. With my best wishes, |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/3/12 5:38 AM | Sarah, thank you for the update. I really think that signature trimming should be a top contender for the ability to be turned off. Originally I didn't care about this problem, but the more I am using the "new" format in my every-day life, the more |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Gmailisrunbyidiots | 5/3/12 6:11 AM | Why is it we can't turn off the signature trimming? it's obvious that a fairly large number of people don't care for it, and that a fairly large number want it. It seems like the ideal would be to make it optional.(preferably defaulting to off) |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | thomasxz | 5/3/12 11:57 AM | I found an interesting mail provider, Yandex. https://mail.yandex.com Is has dead simple mail design, it combines smiliar message, you have as standard 10gb of mail space, it should increase when you have used it up. You can chose to use an light |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | dianadiana | 5/3/12 12:58 PM | Yes, just give me my mail and also let me move around my inbox columns so that I can see the paperclip by the persons name and not all the way over by the date |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | HATE THE LOOK | 5/3/12 1:37 PM | Yes, please put the paperclip by the person's name. That's one of the first things I look for. Having it by the date is not as helpful. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | wdurham | 5/3/12 2:02 PM | John - I can't comment on your main thrust, but re: your point about replying directly to this Forum via email.... With a private Google Group, as well as a private Yahoo Group, then yes, you can reply by email. I belong to several such groups which |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | alansd | 5/3/12 3:02 PM | I don't see why, at the very least, google doesn't provide this CSS tweak on top of their new look. It doesn't seem to require any additional code base maintenance. Of course, the CSS doesn't bring back all of the good features of the old look, but |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | alansd | 5/3/12 3:07 PM | It does somewhat resemble the old gmail.... Might be worth considering |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/4/12 3:13 AM | wdurham That makes far too much sense, and I am ashamed for not having thought of it. Thank you: John |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Funderbunk | 5/4/12 4:34 PM | Again, I have to emphasize - if the "custom theme" creator that you're working on is only an option of a user-selectable background image with only a few color options for interface items, IT. WILL. NOT. BE. ENOUGH. You NEED to give users as much |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | gabbakeisen | 5/4/12 9:06 PM | well i just spent a few weeks in the dprk and come back to find my email is utterly useless. even with compact there is still heaps of wasted space, hi contrast uses a dull grey for msg txt which isnt hi contrast and there are no decent lines separa |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Mad Mister Mark | 5/6/12 6:47 AM | Sarah, First let me offer a bit of compassion and empathy for you being a first-line responder to the firestorm against the new look. That said, I also have to note all actions have their consequences... I do not like the new interface, and I feel i |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | The C Man (Elder Advisor - Mobile Laureate) | 5/6/12 7:52 AM | Nearly every option you want is available using Stylish which WDurhan has posted about many times including in this thread. Also read <w:LsdException Locked="false" Priority="64" S... |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Mad Mister Mark | 5/6/12 8:15 AM | C Man, if your response is to me, I've tried Stylish. None of what I mentioned is fixable using any user style I've come across, and Stylish is extremely buggy. Furthermore, the idea of having to download third-party widgets to use a product means |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | The C Man (Elder Advisor - Mobile Laureate) | 5/6/12 8:32 AM | I do not blame the users but the options are there and I will post a picture of my Inbox. If I had not found them working for myself I would not be using third party apps. New Coke lasted seven years and you really need to read http://en.wikipedia.o |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/6/12 2:22 PM | Receiving that screenshot to my email just demonstrated a bug quite nicely. Not something I don't like. A bug. If an image is attached to an email, then gmail will force all text in that conversation to be of an equal or greater width than the image |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/6/12 2:26 PM | Here is what I see (as mentioned previously, I like a square or "tall" browser window) |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | The C Man (Elder Advisor - Mobile Laureate) | 5/6/12 2:36 PM | Sorry John but if I had known you were using a small screen I would have used a smaller png (the size is alterable). There is a problem at the moment which the Engineers are trying to sort out. Can you give details of screen resolution, machine and |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | The C Man (Elder Advisor - Mobile Laureate) | 5/6/12 3:01 PM | John, No! I'm saying that it is not a good example to use. Unfortunately it seems to be the only one anybody references.It seems that too may are taking the advice from what happened to Coca-Cola (don't know if you read it) but it was a minority tha |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Gmailisrunbyidiots | 5/6/12 3:36 PM | except if it was just a vocal minority, New coke would still be outselling Coke classic. New coke wasn't discontinued until the early 2000s. I think the most important line in that particular article was this: "Coke spent a considerable amount of tim |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | The C Man (Elder Advisor - Mobile Laureate) | 5/6/12 4:03 PM | GSRBI, Did you read the article to see how the pressure group forced the decision? They managed to persuade the majority the old version was better. They were correct for the wrong reasons. It was a less healthy option as the sugar content had been |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Somnath. | 5/6/12 11:49 PM | Now that the image display issue in chat lists is addressed (already posted a Thank you in the appropriate thread), it leaves me with three inconveniences: - The very unpredictable signature trimming feature. - The lack of color-coded names with the |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | The C Man (Elder Advisor - Mobile Laureate) | 5/7/12 12:21 AM | John, I hope the edited png meets your approval. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | The C Man (Elder Advisor - Mobile Laureate) | 5/7/12 12:25 AM | Somnath, 3 is something I did myself using Stylish and I am sure an old codger such as myself is only half as good as you at changing it to what you want. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/7/12 3:34 AM | The C Man Actually, I am looking at this on a 22" widescreen at 1920X1080. Making my effective browsing window about 1500 pixels square, or approximately 9" square in "real life" I am certainly not complaining about the size of the image you poste |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/7/12 5:24 AM | The C Man Also, how do we know that google engineers are working on this? It is not listed under "Known Issues" Thanks: John |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | The C Man (Elder Advisor - Mobile Laureate) | 5/7/12 7:22 AM | John, You know the reason why I should trust me. Because I have never lied to you or distorted the truth. |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | The C Man (Elder Advisor - Mobile Laureate) | 5/7/12 7:41 AM | danpr987, Even if only one person was in favour then there would be less than 100% in opposition, Sounds about equivalent to the claims that nobody likes the new Gmail layout. Vastly overestimated. |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/7/12 8:24 AM | The C Man I apologize. I did not mean to question your word. You have always been honest with me. If you say that they are working on it, I trust you fully. I intended my question in a more general way; striking at the issue of a lack of accountab |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | thomasxz | 5/7/12 10:48 AM | I'am glad that gmail has fixes a big error, but to bad for them i have already changed mail provider. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/7/12 10:58 AM | Anyhow. I had originally logged on this weekend to bring up an issue that is totally separate from attached images breaking messages. I know that larry knows deep in his heart that the more we use the new look, the more we love it. For myself howe |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | The C Man (Elder Advisor - Mobile Laureate) | 5/7/12 11:37 AM | John, You are definitely having a giggle so it's a good think I have a sense of humour or I might have taken you seriously. Only one send button at the top in a Compose? True but it is frozen in place and I can hear the screams of rage about how da |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | GMail is GFail | 5/7/12 12:09 PM | > You are definitely having a giggle so it's a good think I have a sense of humour or I might have taken you seriously. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/7/12 12:13 PM | Nope The C Man, Serious as a heart-attack. Where they are wasting typing space is double-spacing everything around the "Too" and "Subject" lines. There is a huge difference between "wasting" space and "Using" space, adding a "Send" button at the bo |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Notes+ | 5/7/12 12:16 PM | Readong through some of the C Mans posts quickly turns irritating, I just ignore what he/she writes as it is just snide rubbish. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Notes+ | 5/7/12 12:16 PM | Readong through some of the C Mans posts quickly turns irritating, I just ignore what he/she writes as it is just snide rubbish. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | ppcrn | 5/7/12 12:17 PM | Fixing the stupid "Sent items" box would be phenomenal....I cant stand that sent items are all clumped in one folder and cannot be truly "moved" to any folder of my choice. The only other email client that I have seen that in in Lotus Notes, which is |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Sarah | 5/7/12 12:31 PM | Hey John, thanks for the thoughtful feedback on the send buttons. It's a difficult problem. As The C Man pointed out, replies are different from a new Compose because they are occurring inline in the middle of a conversation. With Compose, there is j |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | The C Man (Elder Advisor - Mobile Laureate) | 5/7/12 12:34 PM | John, What you call wasted space around the subject lines is where I drag and drop attachments and at my age the target area has to be large. If you typed three screens length as a reply then you would not be happy to have to scroll from bottom to |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | The C Man (Elder Advisor - Mobile Laureate) | 5/7/12 12:38 PM | To those who make snide comments. Yes, I do try to keep it humorous but the answers I give are serious. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/7/12 1:29 PM | Thank you Sarah. I am not talking about adding a "Send" button in the top fixed frame for replies. The top "Send" button in-frame with a reply is in the same place relative to the message-body as the fixed "Send" button is in the compose, So I thin |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Sarah | 5/7/12 1:41 PM | Thanks John -- yep, I understand the feedback, just wanted to give some context. I can't make any promises, but we're discussing "send" for the bottom of Compose. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/7/12 2:11 PM | Hey, if it is "on the table" I am glad to hear it. Thank you a lot for the feedback : ) John |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Himeno | 5/8/12 5:39 AM | Why can I no longer change the reply from address in html mode? Was this option removed in order to force people into using something that remains unuseable? There also appears to no longer be any way to change back to html mode from within the new i |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | bkc56 | 5/8/12 10:50 AM | Or use the direct URL when you sign in: https://mail.google.com/?ui=html |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | The C Man (Elder Advisor - Mobile Laureate) | 5/9/12 3:42 AM | Mine is based on the 349,999,988 that have not complained about it. Puts about 12 on your side. Sorry to take so long coming back but I had to do a count and my wife called me for dinner half way through causing me to lose count. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/9/12 5:11 AM | Ah, but failing to express an opinion is not the same as having done so. Therefore, by your count, 100% of those who have bothered to express an opinion have expressed it negatively. Perhaps google has some actual random polling on the subject that |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/9/12 5:46 AM | I also note that attached wide pictures causing issues with text is still not listed as a known issue. I would like to know if there is a reason for that. John |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/9/12 7:01 AM | Odd that they have removed the "report a bug" from the exceptionally buggy forums. Perhaps they were swamped. However, there is still a "report a bug" option under the gmail "Gear." Because of the way reporting works, you have to use the gear icon |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/9/12 7:15 AM | I also just realized that if: |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | wdurham | 5/9/12 7:17 AM | John - I don't believe this is an issue. Whenever GMail encounters an object in a message that it cannot wrap, like an overlarge picture or a fixed-width HTML object, it expands the message window widthways to accommodate that object, and your brows |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/9/12 7:38 AM | According to The C Man, google acknowledges that large image attachments causing text scaling it is a problem, according to wdurham, it is not. Then-again, google apparently only acknowledges this to TCs, and figures the rest of us don't need to kno |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/9/12 7:44 AM | It should be just a bit lower. Take a look: |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | The C Man (Elder Advisor - Mobile Laureate) | 5/9/12 9:30 AM | John, I rescaled the image to allow you to see without scrolling. WDurham is correct and the same action/reaction can be seen in emails to and from yourself if you try it. Surely you have seen this happen with some advertising mail that comes to you |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Notes+ | 5/9/12 9:37 AM | Cow-pats are not very tasty, and a load of flies sprinkled on top don't make them any nicer, but its what comes out of the cows arse. Google has produced a monster cow-pat and sadly we are the flies :-( |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | wdurham | 5/9/12 9:59 AM | That is not what I said, John. I have not seen that Google have acknowledged this web-wide standard behaviour as a "problem" that needs "fixing". For example of the "web-wide" nature of this business of oversize objects, I belong to a couple of fina |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | The C Man (Elder Advisor - Mobile Laureate) | 5/9/12 10:01 AM | danpr987, This deserves investigation so which browser and version on what type of machine (Operating System) and with what antivirus enabled? |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/9/12 10:11 AM | Ah, but google does not "allow" us to use our own artistic skills to create our own pages. If we are very lucky, and lead good clean lives they may let us have a picture. Many emails let you have a picture. As for what you are doing with stylish, |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/9/12 10:24 AM | I really hope it is not being phased out. Perhaps Sarah would like to weigh in on this? |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/9/12 11:01 AM | wdurham, I did not say that you had acknowledged it as a problem that needs fixing. I stated that it was a problem that needs fixing, and The C Man, stated in reply "There is a problem at the moment which the Engineers are trying to sort out." refer |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | The C Man (Elder Advisor - Mobile Laureate) | 5/9/12 11:17 AM | danpr987 (first name would be nice), Going to ask that you give the full details in a new question (the screenshot would be nice please) and post the url back to here so I can get some additional help in investigating this. Please include any addons |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/9/12 11:57 AM | It may not be a big deal for you, but it scares the willies out of me. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/9/12 12:12 PM | The good news is that I just notice that while the buggy forums DO lack a "Report a bug" option, they do have an "Report an Issue about google groups" I just used it to report the useless yellow flashing bank of "1000"s on the left there |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | bicho49 | 5/9/12 12:14 PM | oh! me! I have an idea to help improve gmail! STOP DELETING LABS THAT WE ARE USING FROM ONE DAY TO THE NEXT! There are countless claims to bring "mouse gestures", "move icon bar to the left" and other labs that were authoritarily inactivated as of Ma |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/9/12 12:30 PM | There are also no google groups to discuss the top-bar. I hate the ugly red ticker next to my name, but nobody will take credit for it. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | The C Man (Elder Advisor - Mobile Laureate) | 5/9/12 12:38 PM | danpr987, It is worth reporting and the reason for taking it out of this thread is not many TC's will go near a thread where they are likely to get attacked for trying to help or the thread be overrun by others using it for their own ends plus it ma |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Sarah | 5/9/12 1:00 PM | OK guys, a whole bunch for me to chime in on here: Report a bug in Gmail: We're always experimenting and trying different ways to hear from our users. Your Gmail may sometimes differ slightly from others' Gmail. Horizontal scrolling due to large inli |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/9/12 1:59 PM | For Horizontal scrolling due to large inline images, I understand the image having to be scrolled (although a scale would be a far more elegant solution) but having the text scale to the image is terrible. The image can do as it pleases, but the tex |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Sarah | 5/9/12 3:13 PM | Thanks John, I'll check with the team on whether that would be possible. Best,Sarah |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | bicho49 | 5/9/12 4:21 PM | To Sarah: What about the labs that Gmail keeps de-activating overnight??? Will this also go on forever?? And what about all the claims to bring back some of these labs??? PLEAAAAAAAASE!!!!!! |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Sarah | 5/9/12 6:03 PM | Hi bicho49, I understand your frustration with the recent retirement of some of the Gmail Labs features. Gmail Labs are experimental features that aren't ready to be part of Gmail. Being a lab does not mean a feature is a permanent part of Gmail, and |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Somnath. | 5/9/12 11:51 PM | bicho49, Looks like someone is attempting to bring the mouse gestures back in chrome webstore. :)https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/aaokajckoheafemlmjacklidohljgkgo/ With my best wishes, |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Himeno | 5/10/12 4:02 AM | If you don't want the red ticker, get rid of G+. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/10/12 5:14 AM | Thank you Sarah. I will admit that right now this is more an inconvenience than anything else. However, considering that most people's displays are generally under 2k pixels wide, and the average cell phone camera with a 5mp sensor is taking picture |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/10/12 6:10 AM | I just realized why the lack of photo-scaling drives me so nuts. At my job I use outlook all day long, often sending and receiving pictures, and outlook handles large pictures brilliantly. I know that outlook operates in a completely different way, |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | The C Man (Elder Advisor - Mobile Laureate) | 5/11/12 2:19 AM | I thought you were posting because you really cared (possibly for your fellow users) about what Gmail was turning into. Personally I would still ask you to go that one step further but the choice is yours. |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Mad Mister Mark | 5/13/12 1:58 PM | Ugh, C Man. This is just the sort of snarky, condescending, Fox News-ish response that seems to indicate Google's customer service approach these days. I assume your dubious title 'Elder Advisor' means you're supposed to be some sort of Google insi |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | The C Man (Elder Advisor - Mobile Laureate) | 5/13/12 2:34 PM | I am not employed by Google and I doubt if I would get a job in Customer Service. I'm just a target for everybody who thinks they have to make a comment and since I am the most picked on I'm an easy shot. Can I ask what business you gave Google and |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | M.I.H. | 5/13/12 7:13 PM | In the interest of clarity, might the quote below in green be an example of a "serious" contribution to the discussion? Even if only one person was in favour then there would be less than 100% in opposition, Sounds about equivalent to the claims th |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | M.I.H. | 5/13/12 9:40 PM | The problem with an analogy to the coke fiasco is that it doesn't cover the point that a product was changed here at Google, Inc. to boost the profitability of another product. It becomes clearer and clearer that all this is designed for the purpos |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | bkc56 | 5/13/12 9:54 PM | This touches on a point that bothers me about the new format of the conversation view. To me, it looks too much like chat, or wave (or I suppose G+). E-mail is not chat. The reverse is also true. I want my conversation view to look like e-mail (a |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | M.I.H. | 5/13/12 9:56 PM | Wow, that was fast. Yes, I made a mistake. There is one more area still worth exploring, other than trying for the changes asked for as the reason for this latest post-forced change thread. That is to make a clear statement that the Google G'xe |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | M.I.H. | 5/13/12 9:58 PM | I think I could agree with you, bkc46. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | bkc56 | 5/13/12 10:03 PM | I agree, but I actually haven't noticed any performance hit with the new look in Gmail. And it's not because I use state-of-the-art computers as everything I use is multiple years old and win-xp based. Now the new forums are a TOTALLY different stor |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | M.I.H. | 5/13/12 10:21 PM | Just so we are clear, we're not referring to processes speed. We are referring to the human speed. In fact, you may remember this came up a year or so ago with the new way to log out of an account. Well, the speed issue remained on some folks' rad |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | M.I.H. | 5/13/12 11:19 PM | <This message has been deleted.> |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | bkc56 | 5/13/12 11:22 PM | Got it. Usability as it relates to the time required to complete specific tasks. I can't say if the new-look for Gmail has slowed me down any in that aspect. If it has, it's below my radar (not noticed). There are things that increased the mental p |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/14/12 5:28 AM | I am not sure if this is an appropriate place for this, but as it occurred in gmail, I thought I would bring it up. When I went to "report a bug" this morning, (important information got trimmed again) I couldn't do it properly. I had a bunch of me |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | bkc56 | 5/14/12 9:03 AM | Could you "Collapse all" (the icon in the upper/right) all the messages in the conversation, open just the ONE you want to highlight, and have that fit on the reporting form? |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | GMail is GFail | 5/14/12 9:29 AM | Well, that would also explain Google's incredibly frustrating refusal to turn off the signature trimming "feature" - they want it to look more like chat. Ridiculously arrogant. Google has jumped the shark. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | bkc56 | 5/14/12 9:36 AM | Actually, it doesn't as trimming is a totally different subject. It seems to work fine for me, but I recognize that it's way to aggressive for some people hiding legitimate content. But there are already some threads about trimming, so it may not b |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/14/12 9:43 AM | bkc56 In my case, yes I could (and I did) but if the error had anything to do with expansion problems in longer conversations (for example) there would be no way to accurately report. If a bug report is going to include a screen-shot, then the shot |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | GMail is GFail | 5/14/12 9:52 AM | I'm not so sure. I was confused why Google seems to be so insistent on the signature trimming "feature" being on by default without the ability to disable it - but if it's part of a goal to make email conversations LOOK more like chat or Google+, it |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | bkc56 | 5/14/12 10:10 AM | Then it's good you submitted that one also. :-) |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Sarah | 5/14/12 11:48 AM | Hey jvanroekel, "Report a bug" should open scrolled to the top, but then within the "Report a bug" window you should be able to scroll down again. Could you try and let me know? |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/14/12 12:19 PM | Sarah: Regrettably, no dice. Just to double-check, I did it with Firefox (fully current) then with IE 8.0 (current) then with Firefox with ABP turned off (I'm at work, so I don't mess with the machine too much. . .) With IE there was no scroll at-al |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/14/12 12:35 PM | Sarah, what you are describing is how it works in + (I was curious, I checked) As a follow-up, I opened gmail up in two windows, both with a bunch of open messages (from this forum) and then went to report a bug in one of them. Take a look at the s |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | amnucc | 5/14/12 9:20 PM | @ C Man - Reading the article the salient marketing point is that: "Coke spent a considerable amount of time trying to figure out where it had made a mistake, ultimately concluding that it had underestimated the public impact of the portion of the c |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Fuzzy | 5/14/12 11:08 PM | I'd like to ask a simple question: What functionality was lost in the new look? |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Fuzzy | 5/14/12 11:29 PM | For what it's worth, I'm not trying to provoke you. Someone marked the thread where you asked me as a duplicate, so I'm replying here. I've been reading everything that people are posting. So far, the vast majority of the complaints are of the form " |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | M.I.H. | 5/15/12 1:23 AM | I suppose we are allowed to ask about possible bugs here, yes? Possible, because I'd like to know if anyone else has a problem like I see. I click on "Why this ad" and the text is just about impossible to read because the window is translucent a |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | The C Man (Elder Advisor - Mobile Laureate) | 5/15/12 2:02 AM | You did not read the real facts. The flavour was better liked by the vast majority but a very vocal minority used nearly every publicity stunt possible managed to beat Coke down. The marketing policy was wrong as both versions should have been allowe |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/15/12 2:04 AM | I don't believe that's a provocation. I too would like to know the answer. You keep saying that functionality has been lost, but I haven't found anything missing. If you think this is provocation, I apologise. I really would like to know what you |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/15/12 2:06 AM | In my Gmail, the box is totally opaque. Which browser (name and version) are you using? Which theme? |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/15/12 2:09 AM | On Tuesday, 8 May 2012 05:17:47 UTC+10, ppcrn wrote:Fixing the stupid "Sent items" box would be phenomenal....I cant stand that sent items are all clumped in one folder and cannot be truly "moved" to any folder of my choice. The only other email clie |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Notes+ | 5/15/12 2:22 AM | Hi Kieth, can you ask sarah to wear that red hat again please. Thanks mate! |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | The C Man (Elder Advisor - Mobile Laureate) | 5/15/12 5:56 AM | Notes+, Having compared Sarah to somebody who committed mass genocide I don't think you have the right to ask anybody to do anything. https://groups.google.com/a/googleproductforums.com/forum/#!category-topic/gmail/yVIBfiTxEuc |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/15/12 6:18 AM | Sorry Notes+ you loose the discussion. Godwin's law and all that. Better luck next time. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Fuzzy | 5/15/12 8:21 AM | danpr987, I'm done trying to help you. As far as I can tell, you just want a reaction from me, so my reaction will be to ignore your angry ranting from now on. Hopefully you get the help you need from someone else. |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | bkc56 | 5/15/12 8:59 AM | Nice. I wasn't aware of that observation. Learn something new every day. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | amnucc | 5/15/12 9:52 AM | @ Fuzzy Specifically the following all make Gmail less functional in it's primary purpose--READING MAIL and responding: - Floating buttons/icons draw your eyes away from the message pane--it's instinctual, we are hard wired to notice changes in ou |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | novelideas | 5/15/12 10:03 AM | One other bit is that having now-you-see-them-now-you-don't scrollbars (such as are within the help section and forum) are visually irritating. For a "clean and modern" interface there are too many shifting, moving parts (IMHO) which require adjustm |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/15/12 10:14 AM | Not to mention the intrusive signature trimming which adds a conscious decision-point with additional click to simply read an email as it was sent. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | M.I.H. | 5/15/12 10:16 AM | And more moving parts means more things can break. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/15/12 10:37 AM | And, while you may file it under "aesthetic" the old gmail had a custom theme that allowed you to to change almost any aspect of the appearance. There is not even discussion of bringing back that level of function. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Fuzzy | 5/15/12 12:01 PM | I understand your concerns. This is exactly the kind of feedback that is appreciated. Please also fill in the form that Doree suggested too: http://support.google.com/bin/request.py?hl=en&product=gmail&contact_type=surveyk |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Fuzzy | 5/15/12 12:02 PM | Not that I have any advance knowledge, but I think they will make the appearance more configurable over time. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Fuzzy | 5/15/12 12:02 PM | This is a pet peeve of mine as well. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | mareiq | 5/15/12 12:04 PM | I have to complement the list of shortcomings that reduce productivity a new look ...than ''my nervous excitement of the design'', also NO arrows for review and passage next draft. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | GMail is GFail | 5/15/12 12:41 PM | It was sold until 2002. It was a miserable failure. To say anything else is an attempt to rewrite history. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | novelideas | 5/15/12 12:55 PM | And another thing...the fact that one can no longer move to the next page of emails from the bottom of the page. Inefficient design to scroll to the bottom and then have to scroll back to the top. Nor can one archive (or anything else) at the botto |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Fuzzy | 5/15/12 1:07 PM | The header stays put at the top of the screen when you scroll down... it shouldn't scroll off the screen. Or, you could use the keyboard shortcuts as well. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | novelideas | 5/15/12 1:33 PM | It scrolls off the screen. I know it SHOULD stay put, but it doesn't. Mouse=one click - keyboard shortcut=two clicks...which is more efficient? |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | amnucc | 5/15/12 2:03 PM | @ C Man Please re-read the "Taste Test Issues" section. Specifically: Tests such as the Pepsi Challenge were what are called in the industry "sip tests", meaning that drinkers were given small samples (less than a can or bottle's worth) to try out. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | novelideas | 5/15/12 2:41 PM | Since the default settings are gray, it makes for difficulty reading. Before the "new-and-improved" introduction, gmail was immediately ready with easy-to-read information without any changes. The new version requires many, many changes (and third- |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/15/12 3:12 PM | But all of these are "form" not "function", except for this one.., |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/15/12 3:16 PM | But how popular was the bookmarklet really? Don't forget that a few hundred thousand users is still less than 0.1 % of the user base. Google knows who used what - they have the web statistics to read. You might think they're evil because they upse |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | bkc56 | 5/15/12 3:28 PM | I suspect this refers to the small colored box (with a name in it) that would show up in the lower/right corner indicating there are more messages below where you are currently viewing. I miss this feature also. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/15/12 4:44 PM | Ah, yes. Now I remember that - OK, admit that's a loss of function. Something I didn't use so I had forgotten it. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | MAREIA | 5/15/12 6:16 PM | GMail е GFail , YES! Gmail Fail, It is an undeniable fact |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | amnucc | 5/15/12 6:22 PM | @ KiethR bkc56 is correct--I don't know if "next post flag" is the correct terminology. I can post a screen cap if you would like. I frequently receive mail threads/conversations with many contributors and this was a very handy feature. As to your |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/15/12 6:39 PM | That is definitely untrue - that is neither fact nor undeniable. It is only the belief of some users. While I have a slight preference for some of the form of the old look, I am finding the new look quite workable, therefore for me (and probably ov |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/15/12 6:45 PM | That's OK - the description by @bkc56 identified the signal to me as I mentioned above. As to form versus function, I would disagree, but only on semantics. Agreed that there are some features whose new form affects speed of use and the next message |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | M.I.H. | 5/15/12 9:36 PM | I am using IE8 and the default theme at "Compact" density. See the screen shot, please. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | M.I.H. | 5/15/12 9:42 PM | Okay, I may be incorrect in stating "default theme". I see it is called "Light" but I assumed it was the default. I don't recall changing the theme in this account. But the screen shot makes it very clear (unclear?) what I am seeing. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | M.I.H. | 5/15/12 9:48 PM | +=--=+ Ist Quote +=--=+ |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | bkc56 | 5/15/12 10:08 PM | ...might give them the idea that the TC corps here are indicating that the minority should bow to the view of the majority and that the voices of the minority are not welcome here in this Community. Now one might claim I am biased, but I don't read t |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | M.I.H. | 5/15/12 10:21 PM | Well, I did think I might be wrong. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | M.I.H. | 5/15/12 10:26 PM | As for this idea: |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | bkc56 | 5/15/12 10:39 PM | I agree. I'd love to see some actual numbers. Unfortunately that's Google proprietary data and it's their choice to share some/all/none of it, and thus far their choice is none. Doesn't stop me from being very curious though. Just a few of the perc |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | M.I.H. | 5/15/12 10:53 PM | WOW! Now that is a lovely wish list and I'll bet that's the first time y'all have seen me use that word, 'lovely". 'Tis not a word I much like to use. But that list up there is an exception. That list almost makes me drool. Bad for the keyboard, |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/16/12 12:40 AM | Now that is truly hilarious coming from someone who is willing to accuse TCs of abuse but refuses to present the evidence. ROFLMAO. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/16/12 12:44 AM | Edit: this is in reply to @M.I.H. with the see-through pop up.Have you tried the IE8 compatibility view fix? Here is the recipe worked out by @wdurham:Turn off Compatibility View and prevent Microsoft from turning it back on again next time you go t |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | M.I.H. | 5/16/12 12:55 AM | If you are intent on bringing that to the front rows, again, I'll make you a deal. You start the thread and we'll present the evidence. And we will start with evidence already provided and then we will present new evidence. And the pronoun "we" |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | M.I.H. | 5/16/12 1:30 AM | CV has been turned off since the forced change and those three check boxes have been unchecked during that time. In fact, just checked a few seconds ago to be sure and all is as it should be -- off. But thank you for posting that idea. I don't |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | The C Man (Elder Advisor - Mobile Laureate) | 5/16/12 4:51 AM | danpr, Please check the subject of this thread. If you wish to put forward ideas that might improve what we have now "Great" but just criticism for the sake of criticism is hijacking the thread. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | novelideas | 5/16/12 8:16 AM | Another stat I think would be interesting: What percentage of users are using the new interface in an unmodified form? I am a long-time gmail user, first-time forum user. I never realized how large the black hole is where feedback lands. In readin |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | bkc56 | 5/16/12 8:43 AM | For my part, I've never said I like the new look better than the old. I have been completely up-front about aspects that I think were not done correctly and need to be changed. There are multiple threads where I have set it all out for everyone to |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/16/12 3:15 PM | That's truly amazing - since it has been released for less than six months! |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Notes+ | 5/16/12 3:36 PM | Hi kieth, can you fix the problems please? Cheers. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | amol.c.khedkar | 5/16/12 3:41 PM | @danpr87, I note your frustration with TCs who have a condescending attitude towards the "regular joe" posters. I couldn't agree more. If I may be so bold, may I suggest you simply ignore such TCs? In the past, I've brought such TCs to Sarah's atten |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | arentsc1 | 5/16/12 8:30 PM | i have about nine complaints about the new UI that i have listed all over these forums with no response. since it looks like this thread is actually somewhat productive, i'll just list one in here and see if we can get traction: the loss of the st |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/16/12 8:53 PM | @arentsc1, we would all like that back. Did you use the Send feedback link in Gmail to record that (while it was available)? |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/16/12 8:57 PM | Amol, Sarah doesn't require her TCs to be more than human. We are allowed to express our feelings towards people who are being disruptive and rude for no particular purpose - provided we are not abusive. If a TC loses his/her temper and is abusive, |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/16/12 8:59 PM | I'm sure you know that I can't fix a thing. Google won't let a non-employee tamper with their code. Besides, you haven't mentioned which problem(s). |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | M.I.H. | 5/16/12 9:26 PM | Anybody else have any ideas about this problem I posted about starting a few posts up? There's a screen shot, too. You wouldn't want people to start thinking it is an intentional bug, right? Look at what that should be explaining. Must have been |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Somnath. | 5/16/12 10:45 PM | arentsc1, There are many who would love to see the color alternating names make a comeback. We remember its efficacy in the retired look and we still see it here in the forum. The current colors in the blank avatars are not bright or large enough to |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/17/12 12:42 AM | Have you posted this question anywhere else? If you would be so kind as to make a separate question of it, that would be a lot easier to escalate to get more information. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | romeolima | 5/17/12 3:13 AM | Hi C Man, I've been busy and haven't had a chance to read this thread recently. Despite your run in with me, I see you are still tormenting fellow posters. Is this Google policy or is it just you ? You are changing the topic and trying to goad the qu |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | romeolima | 5/17/12 3:35 AM | Hi Keith, Business as usual then. So you are ROFLMAO. If I'd posted that as words not initials, I suspect one of you guys would have reported me for abuse. I think I may have the answer as to why average joe posters find the TC's offensive. You are a |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | M.I.H. | 5/17/12 3:55 AM | I was thinking about that idea. Your endorsement means I best get to it. Thank you. Got to finish some work on another computer first, so won't be right away. Hope it'll be soon. My eyes are getting tired. I hate reading code! |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | M.I.H. | 5/17/12 4:36 AM | By the way, Sarah, it would be very nice if the tech folks could please fix the subscription feed. It keeps breaking. And this has been reported before this post. Thank you. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | arentsc1 | 5/17/12 5:52 AM | I most certainly did. No response from anyone. To me, this was the essential thing that made gmail so much better than anyone else. I think it was revolutionary, and many other providers have tried unsuccessfully to mimic it. Taking it out turns |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/17/12 6:40 AM | Out of curiosity, have we had any confirmation or feedback regarding the lack of scrolling in the gmail "report a bug" function? This appears to be the case on any computer I have logged into, but I would be interested if this is a genuine bug in ne |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | amol.c.khedkar | 5/17/12 7:38 AM | @KeithR, I completely agree about TCs being human. However, there are those whose posts reveal a pattern of superciliousness and condescending attitude towards regular posters. There are also attempts to goad posters into losing their tempers. I am h |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | amol.c.khedkar | 5/17/12 8:03 AM | @bkc, LOL. I'd like to see those numbers as well and I'm quite sure we won't. Why? Because massive egos are on the line here, not to mention those who will be desperately trying to save their own reputation. It takes real courage to admit a mistake. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Rob So Rob | 5/17/12 8:34 AM | Since Google is no longer using the old Gmail platform, would it be possible to make the old code open sourced so that we can create our own front end to Gmail? |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Notes+ | 5/17/12 8:57 AM | Amol - you have written two of the most accurate posts on here that I have seen. I do hope that the supercilious TC's and that the UX designers read your posts and consider your thoughts. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | amol.c.khedkar | 5/17/12 9:09 AM | @Rob, that's a brilliant idea. However, I don't see that happening, lest that result in an email client that garners more popularity than the much vaunted new look that is "clean", "simple" and "beautiful". :-) |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | bkc56 | 5/17/12 9:13 AM | I don't believe that's true in the slightest. Many TCs have created extensive articles about various aspects of Gmail: http://gmailhelpwiki.blogspot.com/ Here's one (which I think is well done) specific to user-styles and the new look: http://gmail |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | romeolima | 5/17/12 9:53 AM | Well Brett, I'll read them and let you know. It's not an innate skill that makes me able to explain complex things simply without losing the info. I was lucky enough to be very well taught and thought it might be an explanation of the perceived ruden |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Notes+ | 5/17/12 10:00 AM | Nicely written articles, now why can't some of the more abrasive TC's write in the same polite manner? Maybe its time for everyone to declare a truce and start again :-) |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | romeolima | 5/17/12 10:03 AM | Bkc 56 The first link gave me : This content is no longer available on Knol. whatever that is. However the second one is the system that Wendy Durham put me on to for changing the background colour of my read mail. It works. I will find an example of |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | romeolima | 5/17/12 10:41 AM | Hi jvanroekel, I don't know if this is a suitable place to post this observation so if it's not, Sarah can move it. I wanted to share experience of the translate button which is accessed by clicking MORE on the black bar. Firstly, I love the idea and |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | bkc56 | 5/17/12 10:57 AM | Yes. Google shut down Knol a while back which is where may of the articles were originally hosted. A few of the links on that page still point to Knol which no longer exists. Until that page gets cleaned up, it's a bit hit-or-miss if a given link w |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/17/12 11:08 AM | Hi romeolima. I am actually a fan of google Translate (although I would probably not use it for business) This not the best place for that. However, there is a googe translate group, however you can't get to it through the normal route. You can ei |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | romeolima | 5/17/12 11:13 AM | Thanks jvanroekel, In the interests of input, could you leave this post up and see what we get ? |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | romeolima | 5/17/12 11:14 AM | bkc56, I'll read them. The following is an example of what I think could be the style for a series of links to which the user could be referred without the TC having to say the same thing over and over. Usually, I have the original writer leaning ove |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/17/12 11:19 AM | I couldn't take it down if I wanted to : ) |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/17/12 4:08 PM | You don't need the code to be open sourced - get inventive and use the API: Gmail APIs - Google Developers |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/17/12 4:14 PM | @romeolima, what was your point in copying and pasting a section of the Gmail Help pages here? |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/17/12 4:20 PM | @romeolima, none of us can move individual posts (including Sarah), so please try to stay on topic. Even if we could move them, it's a little inconsistent to roast us for not answering every post and then create even more work by expecting us to mov |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/17/12 4:23 PM | Of course, you can...have you not found the option yet? See the drop down just to the right of the Post reply button. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | romeolima | 5/17/12 4:35 PM | Hi Keith, It's NOT the help page from Google : It's my re-write of it which I offer up for correction and comment. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | romeolima | 5/17/12 4:57 PM | Wow Keith !!! Pour a drink, put your feet up and take some time off. I have seen posts from Sarah where she says 'I have moved this post to a more suitable thread' and I was being polite in deference to the Topic although I do regard Translate as bei |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Notes+ | 5/18/12 12:52 AM | That forum is much easier on the eyes. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Csani | 5/18/12 2:01 AM | (I wanted to post this in the topic closed by Sarah) I think most of us signing this petition do understand that Gmail (unfortunately) is currently unwilling to return the previous look. That said, I still have not read any comment from Gmail on the |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/18/12 5:03 AM | KeithR I only have the options to: "Link" "Show Activity" "Report Abuse" No "Exile to another thread" I am disappointed. I was planning to become drunk on power. Or perhaps, as it is too-early in the day yet to be drunk, corrupted by it. They say |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Rob So Rob | 5/18/12 6:45 AM | I would need the code for the front end and then I could use those APIs to craft the link with the back end. They'll never give it to me, never in a million years. :( |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Fuzzy | 5/18/12 7:26 AM | I don't have any pull to cause the old look to be available again, but the options available do have text on the buttons and the ability to control the whitespace. Just my thoughts. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | jvanroekel | 5/18/12 11:00 AM | KeithR: The ability to change the form is a a function, therefore the loss of the fully configurable custom theme, is a loss of function. At the same time, if you have a function that you used to be able to accomplish quickly, that you can now only |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | mikle108 | 5/18/12 12:33 PM | Hi guys, If you REALLY want to change bad new Gmail's look to (very) old good one, use this reference: https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=html&zy=h It will change your interface to html (the "original") one. The differences: a) It does not support |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Somnath. | 5/18/12 1:11 PM | I'd be intrigued to know if the Google designers consider email an electronic form of the formal letter, or that of an informal conversation. A formal letter must contain and include a visible complimentary close and the signature. An informal note, |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | romeolima | 5/18/12 1:11 PM | Thank you John for defining a loss of functionality as opposed to total function. I did wonder if I was exceptionally stupid in being unable to feel comfortable with the ponderous additional commands I have to perform in order to get "New Look" to wo |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | M.I.H. | 5/18/12 3:34 PM | There is also the problem I have had more than a few times that when I click on the button to get the rest of the message to show, most likely the signature, that the click was not quite right and I had to do it again. I haven't had time to do any t |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/18/12 4:38 PM | +1 |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | amnucc | 5/18/12 4:47 PM | @ KiethR |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | hongtak | 5/18/12 5:51 PM | The only way to improve GMail is to revert back to the old but usable look from this crappy broken new look |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/18/12 6:16 PM | I acknowledged elsewhere that such a feature existed. I never used it - in fact I found it distracting to have a coloured object popping around in the middle of the ads until I got used to it, so I didn't notice that it had gone. If I could have, I |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Himeno | 5/20/12 4:49 AM | The html interface no longer allows changing of the send from address. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Himeno | 5/20/12 4:51 AM | Larry Page happened. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | alansd | 5/22/12 5:31 PM | Agreed, but in the mean time, you really should try the userstyle. It's like getting 95% of the old look back. I find it outrageous that Google doesn't make something like it an official style. If one person can hack together something on top of the |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | alansd | 5/22/12 5:31 PM | That's http://techably.com/make-gmail-older-look-permanent/4215/ |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Sarah | 5/22/12 6:11 PM | Hey everyone, just a quick note that I was a bit behind over the weekend but I'm caught up again on this thread. John, apologies -- I could swear I posted back to you but I clearly see here that I didn't -- the team is looking into the problem you ra |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | M.I.H. | 5/22/12 7:11 PM | Has the Web Search tool been changed? I mean, I do not receive a list anymore when I use the search input box on my index page. I am directed to what looks like the search page with that Google logo in the middle and it seems I must retype my searc |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | M.I.H. | 5/22/12 7:23 PM | This is seriously uncool to the max! And that is stating quite, quite uncool!! I have just done four screen shots and if this is a bug, fine -- but if this is the way of the furture with this product I am going to give serious reconsideration to m |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/22/12 7:46 PM | Works as expected for me in FF 12. I get a list and I have to go to the bottom of the list to select Search the web, Then it opens Google.com. I would prefer that it open http://Google.com.au, but... There has been a change to the search feature in the |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/22/12 7:47 PM | PS: Yes, that makes what you see a glitch. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | M.I.H. | 5/22/12 8:04 PM | Appreciate the response. Used to be the page with actual results for my search term would show. Not a page where I had to retype the search term. EDIT: By "list" I don't mean that mini list in the drop down box on the Gmail index page. I mean |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | M.I.H. | 5/22/12 8:22 PM | And I just popped over to my VFW account and it is doing the same thing. That's the one that I opened first and seems to get the version/tool changes last -- after all my other accounts are changed. It is doing exactly the same thing with regard to |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | romeolima | 5/23/12 1:05 AM | Hi Sarah. Here's an issue that I call Functionality. Us Apple/Mac users have a visual on screen when the computer is processing. According to how you feel about it it's known as Beach Ball or The Spinning Beachball of Death. To quote from MacWorld : |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | arentsc1 | 5/23/12 6:48 AM | can we please just bring back color coding in conversations? so simple. so helpful. still inconceivable that this feature would be dropped. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Parody | 5/23/12 2:44 PM | Email should be considered as an electronic form of an envelope and a sheet of paper. The contents are separate. While the signature hiding/trimming feature hasn't been an issue for me, I think giving us the option to choose whether to hide/trim by |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | M.I.H. | 5/23/12 5:27 PM | You are spot on, Parody. Unfortunately, the idea now at Google, Inc. seems to be that the email product, Gmail, is now an extension of the Google+ product. I wonder they don't just change the name of the NEW product to G+mail. The idea provided t |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/26/12 3:56 AM | @danpr987, I think you should take on some anger management training. At the rate you are currently posting, you'll be up to around 1000 posts by the time Sarah and the other Googlers get back to work and that will definitely get you banned for spam |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/26/12 5:01 AM | Not intended as a lecture, rather more as an encouragement to you to stay within acceptable bounds. I don't want to see anyone shut out. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Legacy2000 | 5/26/12 5:06 AM | For the convenience of those who have issues with other participants, I have started a new thread: https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!category-topic/gmail/Xz31_WrHt-o |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | spam.b.gone | 5/26/12 5:29 AM | Maybe you should take some reading comprehension classes so that it wouldn't take up the 3/4 of all discussions you are in to keep going back to the same one word or sentence with you trying to explain all the bad in the world into it. E.g. if 1 out |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | M.I.H. | 5/26/12 5:48 AM | Wow, I'm flattered at the attention. You dig up a 12-day-old post to start a flame war with me. You've been missing my responses to you, right? Or you like me so much you just had to get me to post something in response to something you wrote. W |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | spam.b.gone | 5/26/12 5:58 AM | Yea, I don't spend every waking moment on the forum -- I do have a life you know. I get that you like the attention but believe me when I say that I do not like you -- it is quite the contrary. I believe that you should have been banned long ago, whe |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/26/12 6:07 AM | Hey, @spam.b.gone, please be nice - we are trying to get away from personal attacks here. |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | spam.b.gone | 5/26/12 6:18 AM | Just telling my honest opinion, Keith. I think I can like and hate whoever I want. I lay my cards on the table so there is no confusion. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/26/12 6:28 AM | @danpr987, if you are going to accuse, you are going to be asked to give the link. |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Legacy2000 | 5/26/12 7:35 AM | Folks, this topic is about improving Gmail's function and appearance. I have started a thread for interpersonal disputes, please feel free to use it: https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!category-topic/gmail/Xz31_WrHt-o |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | spam.b.gone | 5/26/12 8:36 AM | dan: What are the posting guidelines for Google Product Forums? "Posts must not contain the following types of content:""Violent or bullying behavior. We don't allow threatening, harassing, or bullying of other users. This includes using profanity to |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Leslie Gospena | 5/26/12 8:42 AM | I hope spam.b.gone wears small shoes because the post that he wrote about taking reading comprehension classes is where he really stuck his foot in his mouth. MIH never wrote anything about whether 1 out of 100 was less than 100%. That sentence in th |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | The C Man (Elder Advisor - Mobile Laureate) | 5/26/12 9:42 AM | Leslie, Thank you! I am so pleased that you have not chosen to disagree with my mathematics. Sorry but I am having difficulty in finding where SBG said it was a statement by M.I.H. so perhaps I should take a course in reading comprehension. I do see |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | spam.b.gone | 5/26/12 11:33 AM | And yes, it was that other troll, danpr.My recommendation to mih still stands: even though I gave the wrong example, he still fails to comprehend anything that is written to him. My recommendation for you is pretty much the same: stop wasting people' |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | spam.b.gone | 5/26/12 1:09 PM | You did make the percentage statement in this thread. And not that it's your business, but I was replying with a real answer to a question asked from me. |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | bkc56 | 5/26/12 1:55 PM | This thread: ... needs to be unlocked. Done (well, it wasn't locked as such, I just removed the duplicate pointer), and attempted to answer some of his questions. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | The C Man (Elder Advisor - Mobile Laureate) | 5/26/12 1:58 PM | Fozzie, What makes you think it is locked.? |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | bkc56 | 5/26/12 2:19 PM | It was marked as a dup, I removed that just a bit ago so I could post to it. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | The C Man (Elder Advisor - Mobile Laureate) | 5/26/12 2:30 PM | Perhaps Fozzie would like to inform the poster that the other post should be removed as it has nothing to do with the thread it is in. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/26/12 3:13 PM | Thank you for the link. Unfortunately that link points inside this very thread to the following entry which was indeed posted (by you) only a few hours ago but quotes a post made ten days ago. I don't see anything there posted by me that is untrue |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/26/12 6:34 PM | On Sunday, 27 May 2012 11:13:11 UTC+10, danpr987 wrote:Here is the original link to the post where you NOW claim to have been posting about somebody else.https://productforums.google.com/d/msg/gmail/-NCynF-YvKA/qH6XBFltsywJ And I'm supposed to keep q |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | The C Man (Elder Advisor - Mobile Laureate) | 5/26/12 6:43 PM | danpr, I know exactly how you feel but if you try behaving by the rules you expect others to follow you could alleviate these feelings. I am on Tamulosin Hydrochloride which helps lower my blood pressure so I'll go and take one now. It's a good thin |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Notes+ | 5/26/12 10:53 PM | Hi Kieth, thank you for apologising for calling loads of people 'morons'. Well done. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | mikle108 | 5/26/12 11:07 PM | Hi guys, I'd propose to return to the original topic of this thread: Gmail's appearance and functionality. It seems that everybody (including googlers) clearly understands the situation: 1) Previous Gmail was nice and everybody was satisfied with |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | spam.b.gone | 5/27/12 12:46 AM | You might not remember it, still you made it: ---https://productforums.google.com/d/msg/gmail/-NCynF-YvKA/rgJcvYSmbuIJ danpr987Level 6 Post reply May 7 You've seen people saying they like the new signature trimming? I thought the opposition to it was |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | thomasxz | 5/27/12 3:13 AM | When a email client, ordinary or web make it so hard to diffrent betweent read and unread, it has failede to it simpleste task, and have played falit. When a web client require extra plugin to work propblery it had played falit, for plugin make it a |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | KeithR | 5/27/12 4:24 AM | To get a different look try different themes. What device are you using to view Gmail? I use Gmail on two different devices, three different screens and can see the difference very clearly. |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | spam.b.gone | 5/27/12 6:45 AM | You did say it so stop with the charade. And I certainly have done more help than you. |
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| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | spam.b.gone | 5/27/12 7:10 AM | You lost me there with the nonsense. Come back when you make sense. |
| Re: User Group to Improve Gmail Function and Appearance | Sarah | 5/27/12 9:29 PM | Everyone, This was originally a thread for discussing Gmail, and has declined into a thread about discussing each other. These personal disagreements are not helping anyone, and are just distracting from the issues at hand. Plus, we don't allow perso |