|Two old planes flying in formation over NC||morgantongis||12/5/07 1:22 PM|
Two old planes flying in formation over Burke County, North Carolina.
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|Re: Two old planes flying in formation over NC||joephilley||12/5/07 2:41 PM|
|Re: Two old planes flying in formation over NC||jtouran||12/5/07 3:40 PM|
Wow, this is great. Such high resolution also. They came from Hickory Regional (HKY) airport most likely. There are other planes just like it there. I'd give it five globes!
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|Re: Two old planes flying in formation over NC||Cyclonic||12/5/07 3:52 PM|
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|Re: Two old planes flying in formation over NC||Jumble||12/5/07 7:23 PM|
Super-fine find, morgantongis!
Take your screen-shots now!!
This may fly away with a future imagery update---almost a tragedy if that happens!
And jtouran, these planes could be the exact same planes that are sitting at Hickory Regional! Different photo!
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|Re: Two old planes flying in formation over NC||Desmo||12/6/07 4:44 AM|
That's way cool. Like Delta102 says an Grumman Avenger and a North American T-6 Harvard. You don't see these birds every day on Google Earth.
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|Re: Two old planes flying in formation over NC||JosieNorden||12/6/07 5:40 AM|
Nice find morgantongis!
some of us can only dream about finds like that intresting find , keep it up!
Reminds me of this find in phoenix a avenger and a Harvard/Texan too & in the same colours Here
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|Re: Two old planes flying in formation over NC||TheLedge (GEC Moderator)||12/6/07 5:44 AM|
An excellent find. Since the disappearance of the famous Lancaster bomber, I imagine this will become number one.
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|Re: Two old planes flying in formation over NC||oldaviator||12/6/07 11:25 AM|
Newbie here with a question.
The planes look great but I can't find the ground shadows. Any eagle eyes out there who have found them?
Also, if you go to Hickory you will find these two planes on the ramp along with a number of old warbirds.
|Re: Two old planes flying in formation over NC||Cyclonic||12/6/07 12:32 PM|
To answer your question, aerial photos are very small.
They are pieced together nicely to look like 1 giant pic, but they actually many small ones.
So most likely the shadows are out of the pic, and when the next pic was taken the shadows either werent there or moved.
Look at the aerial data just offshore in Maine. Here you can clearly see each small aerial picture and their average size. Because of the moving waves and water texture, its impossible to make it look like just 1 pic.
|Re: Two old planes flying in formation over NC||Hill.||12/8/07 9:20 PM|
Following up on what Cyclonic said, I made a small folder to point out some details. The line which I drew directly north from the planes matches the direction of the shadows cast by the trees directly below the planes. So the picture was shot at just about local standard noon time. If you follow the line north you should theoretically find the shadows.But if you look carefully at tree shadows, you will see a shift in shadow direction where I placed the placemark titled "Shift is right about here" There may well be others further along up the line. Their shadow will most likely be in a frame of film shot at another time.
Notice how large the planes appear compared to the houses and other ground features. This is not only a clue that the planes are high up, but also that they were captured by aerial photography. The plane that took their picture was considerably higher than they are, but not nearly so high as a satellite in orbit. Planes that are at relatively high altitude leave no discernable shadow. A plane near ground level completely blocks the sun. One a bit higher eclipses only part of the sun. And one higher still eclipses such a small part of the sun's disc that it doesn't cast a shadow as it passes overhead.
So even if the planes and their projected shadow were in the same frame, they would probably not cast a visible shadow.
Add to this the likelihood that any shadow would likely fall on a wooded area, and you can see why its not all that surprising that there is no shadow.
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|Re: Two old planes flying in formation over NC||rodneydd||12/8/07 10:25 PM|
About 1420" NNW of the black plane is a shadow in the woods. This looks like it could be the shadow of the plane.
|Re: Two old planes flying in formation over NC||oldaviator||12/9/07 8:26 PM|
The two planes are probably flying no more than 2000 ft AGL. Restored warbirds burn a lot of expensive avgas and who would want to waste fuel climbing to a high altitude. They are near their base at Hickory and just out enjoying a beautiful winter afternoon.
At 2,000 AGL a ground shadow should be apparent.
I don't know a thing about aerial photography and thank Cyclonic for providing some insight.
Hill raises some good points. The break observed shows the terrain to the north being shot at a much earlier hour.
That planes at high altitude do not generate a discernible ground shadow is true, although from 39,000 ft looking directly downsun you will see a halo type circle apparently on the ground or intervening atmoshere. There is a name for this phenom but being old I forget what you call it
|Re: Two old planes flying in formation over NC||Hill.||12/9/07 10:44 PM|
I believe you are thinking of a glory.
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|Re: Two old planes flying in formation over NC||BobInNC||12/10/07 12:18 PM|
Measuring the wingspan of the Avenger on the ground in Hickory I get 54 feet, The Texan on the ground measures 42 feet. In the air, the Avenger measures 129 feet and the Texan 100 feet. If we knew the altitude of the plane taking the pictures then we could determine the altitude of each of the two planes.
|Re: Two old planes flying in formation over NC||Geve Narielwalla||12/10/07 11:37 PM|
Good find and a real clear picture.
Talking of shadows, when zooming out(in google maps), where the two planes and your placemark come close to one another, I notice your placemark -the yellow coloured pushpin appears to form a clear shadow on the ground, even the needle-point shadow joins to the needle-point of the placemark!!
I hope I am not seeing things!!
Do the placemarks we place form shadows over the terrain? Can someone explain this?
|Re: Two old planes flying in formation over NC||saukko||12/11/07 2:55 AM|
Yes, in Google Maps they are shown with shadows.
|Re: Two old planes flying in formation over NC||Geve Narielwalla||12/11/07 2:01 PM|
Thank you Saukko!!
|Re: Two old planes flying in formation over NC||Tin_Can||12/11/07 6:43 PM|
Are these related to the mustangs? I see them a lot in northern cali
|Re: Two old planes flying in formation over NC||joephilley||12/12/07 5:36 AM|
Well the Texan and Mustang were both made by North American The Avenger's were made by Grumman.....So you could say " sort of " there all WW II Warbirds Your lucky to have them near by.
|Re: Two old planes flying in formation over NC||JessieColt||12/21/07 9:37 AM|
The yellow plane in flight looks like the same yellow plane on the ground at the airport.
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|Re: Two old planes flying in formation over NC||dgt||1/28/08 10:17 AM|
Considering the nature of the planes, shouldn't this be in Military?