| Colors - Summary of the color issues | Jeff Vader | 3/6/12 10:45 AM | Hi all Thanks again to all of you who have given us feedback about the colors. I’m consolidating your feedback on why the new colors aren’t universally loved, and want to get to the bottom of comments like “I hate pastels”, or “they are too similar” |
| Re: Colors - Summary of the color issues | Skammie | 3/6/12 11:10 AM | I am a combination of 1 and 5. I am generally fine with the colors, but as a month view user, it does take a little bit more effort to discern between the text and the underlying color. But it's not enough trouble for me to complain. (In fact, I have |
| Re: Colors - Summary of the color issues | sleeplessbooks | 3/6/12 11:36 AM | I'm a little bit in type 4. The other issue that I wanted to bring forth is this: With the old calendar, when you're looking at a day/week view, the time of an event (e.g. 1:00 - 5:00p) and the event's title (Birthday Party) were different shades. S |
| Re: Colors - Summary of the color issues | sjkristeller | 3/6/12 12:04 PM | I am definitely a 4. The calendar is barely useful to me anymore. In addition, I don't like pastel colors and never have. We need something BOLD and VIVID to wake us up and keep us alert! I also don't care for the diagonal or whatever lines. The |
| Re: Colors - Summary of the color issues | bickerdyke | 3/6/12 12:06 PM | Basically: 1 I like the pastellish look but as I'm 5 (month view user) I only have rather small spaces to discern similar colors. So I end up as a 3. (A quick count showed that there are probably 6 or 7 colors easily distinguishable) |
| Re: Colors - Summary of the color issues | inearlygaveup | 3/6/12 12:19 PM | Type 3. But sleeplessbooks screen shot is far far easier to look at and read, than my standard google set up. Also my text colour is so pale it merges into most background colours. Hope this helps. |
| Re: Colors - Summary of the color issues | Sisyphus | 3/6/12 12:46 PM | Hi Jeff First, many thanks for doing this. I think you have set a fine example on how to communicate with your user base. We are all very grateful for this excellent service. I am nearest to Type 5 but I don't think you have quite covered what I |
| Re: Colors - Summary of the color issues | sleeplessbooks | 3/6/12 1:21 PM | I really like your comments, Sisyphus. That's been an issue for me, too -- where the text colors can't be changed to something that contrasts better with the backgrounds. This has been true for both the all-day and the timed events. I'll definitel |
| Re: Colors - Summary of the color issues | fastoy | 3/6/12 2:58 PM | I'm a Type 2. I'm good with the e new bold colors. I do miss the icons in the event titles and dark/light text depending on the colors instead of all black, e.g. white instead of black text on "bold red." |
| Re: Colors - Summary of the color issues | Sheree | 3/6/12 3:05 PM | I think I fit in to categories 3, 4, 5, and 6. Type 3: I use many calendars, the colors are too similar to each other, and pastel letters increase the amount of concentration required to read the letters on a white background. Type 4: I use the co |
| Re: Colors - Summary of the color issues | JT8H | 3/6/12 3:37 PM | I am a #4 |
| Re: Colors - Summary of the color issues | Lalkin | 3/6/12 5:20 PM | Type 3 and 4 It isn't so much as not being able to tell pastel green from pastel blue but more that the new colors don't contrast enough from the white background to easily read events at a glance. I also don't understand why you would get rid of th |
| Re: Colors - Summary of the color issues | geof3 | 3/6/12 5:47 PM | I'm 4 mostly. I use week view primarily and have particular colors for particular things. My primary problem is I prefer bold, rich colors. Not a washed out pastel look. The colors before popped and were distinct. The new color pallet is too subtle a |
| Colors - Summary of the color issues | DMSLaw | 3/6/12 9:00 PM | I'm primarily a type 5, secondarily a type 4, and use month view almost exclusively. The addition of the three bold colors helped with the mental map, but the black text on the dark/bold colors is almost unreadable. White text on the bold colors woul |
| Re: Colors - Summary of the color issues | Jeff Vader | 3/7/12 5:16 AM | Hi Sisyphus I must have written type 5 badly, because when I read your text, I thought that's pretty much exactly what I tried to express with these two lines: > 1. Use a dark color for the calendar. Makes it easy to read timed events, but hard to re |
| Re: Colors - Summary of the color issues | What'swrongwithcolor? | 3/7/12 9:47 AM | Jeff: Thank you for being a rep from Google to work with us critics. We hope that real change back to original function is possible. (Though I have given up some hope) I am a combo type 3--not color blind, but have difficult time seeing the color |
| Re: Colors - Summary of the color issues | Sisyphus | 3/7/12 1:07 PM | Jeff - thanks for getting back again. Yes, my point (and your type 5 point) is all about contrast and the choice of appropriate colours for background and foreground. As they stand, I don't think they work too well and I gave some examples from oth |
| Re: Colors - Summary of the color issues | What'swrongwithcolor? | 3/7/12 1:31 PM | OK. I'll be a type 5 too. ( My mother says I'm all sorts of types...) Jeff: Take this to the google teams and ask them what they think: Is this easy to read?? or Is this easy to read?? or using pastels, is this easy to even see background color |
| Re: Colors - Summary of the color issues | Sisyphus | 3/7/12 2:02 PM | Whatswrongwithcolor - Excellent examples. For me (and I hope you and millions of others!!) WHITE text on the blue or red backgrounds is MUCH easier to read than the black text. |
| Re: Colors - Summary of the color issues | bwquarve | 3/7/12 2:16 PM | Just my two bits - No disrespect intended, but using colors for categorization is honestly a bit of a kludge/workaround. Properly implemented text tagging/categorization would alleviate the issues your "Type 4" group is having. ;) |
| Re: Colors - Summary of the color issues | Sheree | 3/7/12 3:54 PM | It seems like you're assuming that filtering would solve all our problems, but it won't--sometimes we want to see our co-workers' or family's events displayed inline with ours! I don't think it's a kludge at all--I see it as more like an exploit of h |
| Re: Colors - Summary of the color issues | bwquarve | 3/7/12 4:03 PM | Sorry Sheree - I didn't mean to marginalize the usefulness of color-coding to folks. Just from my perspective, color-mapping is somewhat limited for enterprise calendaring when you need to get data back out of the system in a useful format. I'll add |
| Re: Colors - Summary of the color issues | Sheree | 3/7/12 4:23 PM | Tags would be a good idea... I just don't think I would want any more words added to the already space-constrained month-view. What kind of data are you trying to get out, and in what format? I'm not a programmer for a living, but wouldn't the API |
| Re: Colors - Summary of the color issues | bpfoot | 3/7/12 9:44 PM | I guess I'm a type 5, but while I could use some more difference in colors in the month view, my biggest complaint is that the text is black which makes very few colors usable for all day events. The old format used white type on dark color blocks wh |
| Re: Colors - Summary of the color issues | Jeff Vader | 3/8/12 1:44 AM | I'd love to do that, but this will not fly. If you go to http://www.msfw.com/accessibility/tools/contrastratiocalculator.aspx, to calculate the contrast ratio for the colors you chose in your example (#000, #c00 (red) and #000, #00f (blue)), you'll |
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