|Plus and K12 education||rasqual||10/27/11 12:47 PM|
We see that Plus is not going to be available to us because our school kids are under 18.
What if we only use Apps for admins and staff?
This deployment restriction is not helpful.
|Re: Plus and K12 education||Daeng Bo||10/28/11 1:58 AM|
There should definitely be a configuration option in the organization administration section which turns on over-18 services. That's why we have organizations, right?
Honestly, Google+ isn't important to us at all. Native profile support without having to deploy a Google Directory Sync server specifically for that would be really nice, though. I'd like to be able to have a decent, browse-able directory of staff and admin.
|Re: Plus and K12 education||dstucke||10/28/11 2:52 AM|
And why can't we use this with our young learners? What is the rationale behind the 18+ limit? Do you not think pupils will find a way around it any way? Just look at Facebook use in the under 13s.
Any feedback from Google as to when this restriction will be lifted?
I was so looking forward to being able to use Google+ as a communication and learning tool right across our K12 school.
|Re: Plus and K12 education||Kyle Smith||10/28/11 12:00 PM|
I'm the IT Director for a K12 and administrate our Google Apps for EDU service for our school. I've been waiting for Google+ to be added to our services since it was announced; more so since Hangouts with Extras was released. We've been using Google Apps for our school for nearly five years and desire to expand it's use to include our students and distance learners.
Google+ has great potential in the K12 education sector. We want to use it too.
|Re: Plus and K12 education||danmo||10/28/11 12:46 PM|
I would be VERY happy if they added the ability to do hang-outs from Docs without G+... The rest of G+ means little to k-12, but the video collaboration is simply awesome!
|Re: Plus and K12 education||grelaford||10/28/11 4:05 PM|
I'm the IT director at a private 6-12 school with LOTS of technology use in the classroom. Google+ and profiles would be fantastic in K-12, for several reasons, and much better than using Facebook. Consider the possibilities with students collaborating between classrooms, schools, continents via G+. There are ways to do this now, but integrated is often better, easier to manage.
Google just integrated a bunch of services that have just as much potential for crazy under 18 consequences; given that, the G+ restriction makes little sense from Google's standpoint.
Google, please remove this crazy restriction!
|Re: Plus and K12 education||jevers||10/29/11 7:02 AM|
+1 Totally agree. Our school embraces technology as well. How are our kids going to learn about social media, etc. if we ban it from school. Showing them the potential is the way forward.
So ease the restrictions on K12 and Google Plus
|Re: Plus and K12 education||techyteacher78||10/29/11 9:06 AM|
Couldn't agree more with everything that's been said here... I too admin our school's Google Aps for Edu service and the educational potential of being able to engage with under 18's in this social sphere is huge... So many positive outcomes (especially with regard to encouraging sensible, healthy use of social networking tools, privacy setting etc.) and only a few risks - and that's exactly where we EDUCATE the students!
I for one was so excited knowing Plus was on the cards for Google Apps users. I had been asked about it by several keen students/staff... only now to be met by huge disappointment when I saw the 18+ policy...
Come on Google - let the schools themselves decide on this - ease the rules ASAP for the sake of facilitating more positive educational opportunities through Google services...
|Re: Plus and K12 education||rasqual||10/29/11 10:14 PM|
But folks, it's not just that it's restricted by age. It's that as admins, you're not given a choice to use it with even your adults, merely because you're a K12 institution.
The only plausible explanation is that Google doesn't want kids using the service. But terms of service for schools could cover that, where responsible adults see to it. Meanwhile, any number of kids with Gmail accounts can lie about their age and use plus. So Google's not preventing kids from using plus, while preventing K12 admins from putting it to use with their adults.
Not letting kids use Plus is one thing.
Not letting K12 admins deploy it AT ALL out of a concern that kids might end up using it, is just silly.
|Re: Plus and K12 education||Daeng Bo||10/30/11 12:05 AM|
This is actually my main frustration. We aren't given control over it. Like I said, Profiles should be enabled privately, with visibility set by the admin and G+ should be usable either privately or publicly for those of proper age.
We have different organizations for students, faculty, and administration. We could easily turn on G+ for just the organisations with adults.
|Re: Plus and K12 education||glimmen||10/30/11 2:33 PM|
We have also very much been looking forward to using Google plus, both for school kids and our teachers. Google plus have a lot of potential for the learning process.
Not to let Google Apps admins to control the service even for the adults in an EDU Google Apps domain was a big disappointment. I think rasqual put it very well here. It does make little sense to me.
I wish Google to provide more information on their plans for Google+ and K-12 so at least we know what to expect.
|Re: Plus and K12 education||GuyGG7||10/31/11 1:11 PM|
Yeah, this was a major letdown, to find that it had been lit up for all Apps users, EXCEPT K12. I'm with Rasqual on this one. Currently just have admin staff using Apps, not students, and Plus would be a perfect fit for much of the ad-hoc communications between groups/committee people via circles, as would hangouts and such of course, but we aren't given the choice of implementing any of it because of an age restriction that doesn't exist. With a policy of not having any staff under the age of 18 anyway, there's no chance of us having an account given to anyone under 18, yet we're stuck be the one segment still unable to use it. PLEASE, Google, let us enable this on an OU level. I mean, isn't that *EXACTLY* what the OU's were added for, with specific ability to tweak what services are enabled for said OU? This is as textbook an example of that functionality as you'll get. Give the control to the admins. I mean, what actual proof do you have that the business/governments/standard and higher education apps users aren't creating accounts for under 18 people?
Please, can us lowly K12 organizations be allowed to use Google+ for staff? Pretty please? :)
|Re: Plus and K12 education||JamoCHCS||10/31/11 9:20 PM|
We are hanging out for it, even as a way to inform our staff of goings on. Hurry up google, let us use google plus in K-12!
|Re: Plus and K12 education||rasqual||11/1/11 11:04 AM|
Actually, for ANY organization controls need to be put in play whether kids are involved or not. With app "groups," visibility outside the organization could be controlled for on a domain-wide level. With Plus, this seems impossible. One of my domains offers no admin level control over Plus at all.
Frankly, "Public" needs to be defined arbitrarily by organization admins. In some cases, circles and hangouts may need to be pre-defined and enforced.
Heh. Microsoft Active Directory with group policy controls for everything: "Miss me yet?" ;-)
The web just can't be a wild west for businesses, and certainly not for educators. Let those who want chaos have it -- but those of us who don't want it could use some control.
I don't think that's Google's way. Which means there'll be a limit to where this stuff will be viable.
|Re: Plus and K12 education||dissertations||11/4/11 12:15 PM|
|Re: Plus and K12 education||Fitchburg Tech||11/7/11 7:58 AM|
|Re: Plus and K12 education||HLC Intrnational||11/23/11 10:37 PM|
I agreed with all those saying YES to Google+ for K-12 schools. Social engines are being developed by so many others that techno-savvy schools are using to great effect. google+ will be the best solution for those schools already using Apps.
Besides like it is said by others here, administrators in schools will be far more trust worthy than a child signing himself up for google+. There are so many collaborative ideas within Google+ that will be of great service to K-12 schools.
Please get it enabled. Thanks.
|Re: Plus and K12 education||MikeDude||12/14/11 8:25 PM|
Here is a great fix for those K-12 schools needing to use the Google+ for their faculty and staff.
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|Re: Plus and K12 education||rasqual||5/31/12 7:56 AM|
Google keeps announcing things that would be of enormous benefit to K12 educators for remote training and other purposes, and yet K12 is still left out in the cold with Plus.
Did they really fail to design it to accommodate the kinds of controls CIPA-constrained educators need?
|Re: Plus and K12 education||rasqual||5/31/12 7:59 AM|
And when you think of all the training possibilities:
...the denial of Plus to K12 is insane.
|Re: Plus and K12 education||jcray||7/20/12 11:12 AM|
We have a domain that only consists of adults. I don't see that limiting k12 is a reasonable decision, some universities even take students under 18.
... What Daeng Bo said about native profile support is exciting me as well, being able to actually use google apps without a GADS server, is unbelievably appealing. I can't find anything informative about native profile support, is this really in G+?
Anyone from google: The staff here have recently been suggesting similar services(podio?), and I've been holding it off as best I can. I hope we don't use something else, but I assume as you're unwilling to comment on this issue, that you will just continue to ignore it, and without even a general, estimated timeline, we will end up with something else.
Please at least let us know the plan for k12 google+, in advance, so that we can plan accordingly.
|Re: Plus and K12 education||prestonpeine||9/13/12 8:06 AM|
I want to make certain this thread stays relevant even though it is nearly a year old. I would be happy to accept a policy that states I am only allowed to offer the Google Plus features to users over the age of 18. That is a simple issue on my end of controlling the available services within the control panel. I recognize that it may not be so simple for the development team at Google to create that control panel mechanism. However, any glimmer of hope that could be provided by the Google team would be much appreciated. A quick update letting us know if this is even being considered would be much appreciated. I will continue to hope for the best.
By the way, using Google+ On Air Hangouts is a fantastic tool for distance learning as well as for guest speakers. We did this using multiple cameras in an Auditorium and the two way interaction was fantastic. The students loved it, the teacher accomplished her goals and the speaker truly connected with the kids. What a wonderful tool. Just think what would happen if the teachers could set this up just as easily as we now use Video Chat inside Gmail.
|Re: Plus and K12 education||Derek_R||9/13/12 8:25 AM|
I agree with you, but I think the restriction is probably due to underlying
technical issues concerning bandwidth capacity.
Hangouts use a lot of network bandwidth.
|Re: Plus and K12 education||Another_Apps-Admin||9/27/12 4:37 AM|
We're a German K12 school and we're waiting for G+ too. It would be very helpful for our workflow and to keep the staff up to date. Hopefully K12-scholls will be possible to use it, soon!
|Re: Plus and K12 education||howardshippin||10/8/12 7:30 AM|
I think Google is shutting K12 schools out of Google+ for vague legal issues or lack of trust in Apps administrators rather than technological issues, because the means are already there for admins to determine which services are made available to different groups of users. (In the control panel / organization & users, we could "add suborganization", and make one for teachers and one for students, then choose which services are turned on for each group.) In addition, anyone signing up for Google+, whether in an ordinary Google account or an Apps domain, must sign that s/he is over the age of 14. Finally, it's interesting that Google's other social network Orkut, is available in Google Apps for Education. Why Orkut and not Plus? Big corporations, like absolute monarchs, aren't in the habit of explaining their present policies or future plans, and beggars can't be choosers.