| EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | andersvi | 12/10/09 16:08 | Hello all, I have spent the best part of this year building what I hope will become an authority site on WordPress Security. I found there was a big gap in the information available, and wanted to fill that gap. The site url is http://www.wpsecurityc |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | andersvi | 12/10/10 2:23 | Is there any information available on what was included in the Panda 20 update? |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | Lysis | 12/10/10 6:21 | It looks keyword stuffed. It's forcing me to download a PDF to find any info, and as a user, I would bounce to something more freely available. As an educated user, I think it's kinda funny you want me to download a PDF when a PDF in itself is a secu |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | andersvi | 12/10/10 7:49 | Hi Lysis, Thanks for taking the time to look at my problem - much appreciated! > It looks keyword stuffed. If you mean the front page the keyword density is 1.11% measured by Yoasts SEO plugin. I thought that would be well within reasonable limits? W |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | luzie | 12/10/10 8:19 | checklist: 18 occurencessecurity: 19 occurenceswordpress: 45 occurences It would certainly help if you reduced these numbers. Given that you put too much stress on these words that at the same time combine to make up your domain name, it |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | andersvi | 12/10/10 8:58 | Thanks for your input. So in your opinion:- How low should I go on those number of occurrences?- Would this be 'enough' to explain the site wide degradation? Or would there be anything else I'd need to look for? I'll look at re-arranging the content |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | Ashley | 12/10/10 9:02 | I wouldn't look at any numbers or percentages when examining content, in my humble opinion. I'd read it. Outloud. If it sounds awkward or forced, then rewrite it. It should be written for humans. |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | andersvi | 12/10/10 9:21 | Thanks Ashley - I'll rewrite the front page to get more variation in there... I'm just worried that there's more to it than this... |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | Ashley | 12/10/10 9:46 | The EMD update means that before when your domain may have been giving you a big boost, it's not going to anymore. So you'll have to work very hard not necessarily to 'correct' something, but just to make the site world class. |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | andersvi | 12/10/10 10:25 | Thanks for helping me, Ashley/Luzie/Lysis - much appreciated! I'll make the recommended changes and see what that brings. If nothing changes I'll just drop the project. SEO has become so complicated. I wonder how non-IT people would ever stand a chan |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | Ashley | 12/10/10 10:47 | Honestly - I think it has become significantly less complicated. Think about it.- There are many (free even) options to help people build awesome websites quickly and in a robot-friendly way. This is SO COOL. - Google is less susceptible to tricks, s |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | andersvi | 12/10/10 11:32 | I'm sorry, but I don't agree... Do you honestly think that if a lay person built a site on, say, pottery with awesome content they'd stand a chance ranking for anything? A lay person would not have a clue about On Page SEO factors - and without the r |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | ChristopherSkyi | 12/10/10 12:02 | Along w/possible keyword stuffing, check your internal links to make sure you're "overly" pushing your keywords in your anchor text. Use keywords in your internal anchor only when absolutely necessary, link a phase with the keyword in it. If you're t |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | ChristopherSkyi | 12/10/10 12:04 | P.S. Take a second close hard look at your link profile, especially for a lot of exact match anchor text in the links. You may also have been hit w/the Penguin data refresh. The bottom line is something is wrong. Find it and then fix it. It's that s |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | andersvi | 12/10/10 12:33 | Hi Christopher, Thanks for your time... you make some very good points... and have some very good tips for what to check... All the content I have written has been written with the sole purpose of explaining technical stuff to non-technical people... |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | andersvi | 12/10/10 12:38 | Does this go for navigational links too? My categories (and category links of course) are:WordPress Security NewsWordpress Security PluginsWordPress Security TipsWordPress BackupOther Cool StuffDatafeedr Not done for SEO purposes but to be sure that |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | luzie | 12/10/10 12:41 | Now, Ashley's post may not be an exact "answer" to your initial question in a restricted sense of the word (apart from that, she has given a lot of technically very sound advice in this thread), but I couldn't resist flagging it best for the very bea |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | luzie | 12/10/10 12:44 | Of course discussion is still open, despite any answer having been voted as "the right one" (or whatever you may call it). |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | andersvi | 12/10/10 13:02 | I agree - it's very clear and simple... and I truly wish this is the way the world was... But it's not. Despite the fact that I've got a great site with helpful, needed, original content my site has been hit... No one can tell me why. I have to gues |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | andersvi | 12/10/10 13:10 | The thread has now been marked 'Answered' - is there a way to change that? |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | luzie | 12/10/10 13:13 | >>> Sorry, I don't understand. Sorry ... it's me who doesn't understand now. People like me first look at a site for a couple of seconds only in order to decide whether it's what they were looking for or not ... looking at your site - honestly, I'd j |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | luzie | 12/10/10 13:16 | No ... unless you convince me of taking back my vote - which I won't. As I said, I'm of course still willing to discuss anything that would come up, I don't think your site or your site's concept doesn't deserve it. |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | andersvi | 12/10/10 13:31 | Fair enough... that's your opinion... I've got more than 300 subscribers who've signed up voluntarily who disagree... but that's cool - we all have different opinions... |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | Lysis | 12/10/10 14:11 | I think it's go potential, OP, but I'd yank the pdf and place the info for the user to see without downloading. Most people aren't looking for a download. They just want the info in their browser. |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | andersvi | 12/10/10 14:20 | Hi Lysis, Thanks for your tip... The info is already on the site so they can choose to download the PDF or view it on the site. |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | Lysis | 12/10/10 14:28 | Oh, my bad. I did not see it. Maybe that could be an issue? I also realize that I didn't look long, but that's also very typical of a user. Maybe work on the landing page? But, still, the keyword stuffing for Google is too much. |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | luzie | 12/10/10 14:40 | >>> It's not a question about whether you like Ashley's response or not. It is, because it was me who flagged the thread as resolved. |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | andersvi | 12/10/10 14:42 | No prob... I purposely added all the content to the site to keep people around longer and get higher page visits and duration... and it does work... I've revised the front page, but it's difficult to get the number of occurrences down... I've varied |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | andersvi | 12/10/10 14:44 | luzie, I see... I am new to this and did not realize there is a difference between liking a comment and marking a thread as resolved... So why did you mark it as resolved? |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | luzie | 12/10/10 15:05 | Because I felt the post in question "said it all" - so to say (please understand that in this place we had to be brief, somehow, and can't always discuss every single detail at length - even though it's sometimes done). It also doesn't mean people w |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | andersvi | 12/10/10 15:05 | Luzie, On the "true user benefit which makes the day in search results" I should probably explain why my site is different... it would probably only be noticeable for people who are actually trying to secure their wordpress sites, and who are looking |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | andersvi | 12/10/10 15:15 | Well, I am open to all input on what I can do differently and how the site can be improved... so please feel free to shoot with any ideas and criticism you might have... I know your time is valuable and I appreciate everything I get here... Thanks! |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | luzie | 12/10/10 15:19 | LOL ... well, it's not necessarily the "warm and fuzzy feeling" I'm missing, on the contrary, it's more the feeling of straightly having hit the right thing I'm missing (I'm exactly the technical kind of person I assume somebody looking for wordpress |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | andersvi | 12/10/10 15:30 | > I want two or three clear sentences in readable font about what your thing is and what it does and a link right away saying "Download here" - none else. I understand. And I would love to do that. But I am afraid that would give the site a 10 second |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | luzie | 12/10/10 15:51 | Look at what you've got now ... a "position 78" (or so) ranking? You gotta try out something new? What you have now must somehow be wrong, right?! |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | ChristopherSkyi | 12/10/10 16:57 | Sorry -- that should be NOT "overly" pushing your keywords in the anchor text. And yes, navigational links too. The SEOMoz on-page op tool has a couple of checks about avoiding stuff: see the "Avoid Keyword Stuffing in Document" & "Avoid Keyword Stu |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | andersvi | 12/10/11 1:26 | I'd appreciate if you could please remove the 'Answered' mark again? The problem has not been resolved. Marking the thread as 'Answered' is making it more difficult for me to find a solution. |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | andersvi | 12/10/11 2:08 | Christopher, Once again excellent pointers - thanks! I'll review those documents and make changes accordingly. You are being most helpful... thank you very much for your time! |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | andersvi | 12/10/11 13:22 | Okay... I've worked with the SEOmoz On Page Optimization tool - great resource... There were some potential issues with the exact areas that Christopher mentioned. I've re-arranged the content a bit and used a page 1 competitors numbers as a benchmar |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | evz.mitchell | 12/10/11 14:06 | Hi Andersvi, Just read your post and answers you received. It's frustrating when people make it seem like it's something so obvious and easy to fix. I'm in a similar situation as you except ever worse. I've got 100+ great blog posts, 20+ YouTube vi |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | pink fluffy unicorns | 12/10/11 20:26 | hi you have your h1 followed by a bunch of social bookmarking javascript and then the content, it's no different than placing an ad there. Place the social buttons towards the end of the article. a target="_blank" is annoying as hell. the 1st code |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | andersvi | 12/10/12 1:39 | Hi evz.mitchell |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | andersvi | 12/10/12 1:49 | Hi pink fluffy unicorns (great name by the way), Thanks for your advice. |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | pink fluffy unicorns | 12/10/12 6:08 | Many sites also seem to be engaging in link campaigns, Are they all right? |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | Ashley | 12/10/15 6:07 | It's always nice to wake up and see you've caused such controversy. I replied with my post after you pretty much appeared to be done with the thread and just want to toss one last complaint in there. Luzie marked it as best but then continued to add |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | andersvi | 12/10/15 7:09 | Hi Ashley, Looking over the thread I believe the two contributions that add most value are the one from Christopher that I marked as best answer and your 2nd reply (which I can't mark as best answer as well). The answer marked by Luzie does not addr |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | Lysis | 12/10/15 7:36 | Because usually OPs mark answers they want to hear. |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | sue-de-nimm | 12/10/15 8:03 | Just my humble opinion..but looking at it I thought it looked a bit 'thin on top'. Lots of selling type words with big gaps but not really much of substance.. This is what I see above the fold. Maybe you could take out the rhetorical questions & crea |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | luzie | 12/10/15 8:25 | I already told him, but it's always very hard to make people listen. His statements of ... |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | andersvi | 12/10/15 9:09 | If you read this thread it should be clear that I do listen, I have taken a bunch of advice on board and I have made changes accordingly. |
| Re: EMD'ed or Panda'ed? | andersvi | 12/10/16 1:18 | Hi sue-de-nimm, Thank you very much for your suggestion - and for taking the time to help me. Luzie made a similar suggestion on Oct 10 after which I did change the layout of the front page to get more text above the fold. Of course you'd not be abl |