|Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||Suzanneh||10/16/12 2:03 PM|
Article at Search Engine Land: http://searchengineland.com/google-launches-disavow-links-tool-136826
Matt Cutts video: http://youtu.be/393nmCYFRtA
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||Suzanneh||10/16/12 2:04 PM|
Google Webmaster Blog announcement: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.ca/2012/10/a-new-tool-to-disavow-links.html
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|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||travler||10/16/12 2:28 PM|
all the info is on the blog post above.
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||someguy123451||10/16/12 2:36 PM|
I seen, I deleted my question.. thanks m8
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||Suzanneh||10/16/12 2:42 PM|
I'm not going to do your reading for you! ;-)
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||someguy123451||10/16/12 3:23 PM|
I read it and reread it a couple of times...I got my disavow.txt file proper now
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||Lysis||10/16/12 3:26 PM|
Let the games begin....
THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!!!
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||mundabit||10/16/12 4:13 PM|
THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!!!
Or more like the trenches in 1916. Both sides struggling for progress, hoping to develop the next technological weapon. Often stuck in stalemate, or two steps forward followed by three in the other direction.
Still, regardless of individual sites, the collated data from all those text files might help improve a tank track or two.
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||Lysis||10/16/12 4:15 PM|
And then there is me: I just want to tailgate and drink beer during the skirmish.
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||StevieD_Web||10/16/12 4:28 PM|
mundabit deserves +2
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||VishalSingh||10/17/12 1:08 AM|
this is really a good move from Google to release the real pressure from webmasters how to remove the links which they can't remove or any access or authority to remove.
Welldone Google :)
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||RalphSlate||10/17/12 8:44 AM|
It would be nice if the links would be suppressed from WMT as well, or if WMT could classify the links as "dofollow", "nofollow", and "disavowed".
If the focus is on having a clean link profile, then we need tools to help us do that.
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||StevieD_Web||10/17/12 12:52 PM|
Ralph deserves a big
and take it one step further and let us remove the crap out of the WMT report after we have confirmed the link is dead/gone/removed.
I am so tired of seeing reports of links from sites/pages that I know are gone.
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||Pommie||10/17/12 3:14 PM|
"I am so tired of seeing reports of links from sites/pages that I know are gone."Me too - I still have 150 showing in WMT from one site that I got deleted SIX MONTHS AGO
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||fathom||10/17/12 3:59 PM|
And this is quite understandable.
If in the sitemap sent to WMT states "do not recrawl for one year"... how long will those links be there?
If the website is banned or heavily penalized in some way... there is little reason for Googlebot to recrawl for some time.
These are the calculated risks you take with webspam... they don't always have premiere payoffs.
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||VishalSingh||10/18/12 12:50 AM|
It means Google is crawling not the other sites which is linking to us and showing in GWT. We already removed the links from sites but still showing it means need to update in google crawling & indexing too for this.
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||Pommie||10/18/12 1:09 AM|
LOL - Yes, If, fathom , if - and your point is what?
As it happens the links I deleted were from two professional forums of which I am a very active member, that ranked, and still rank extremely well in Google.
Recrawl submissions have been submitted several times over the last 6 months. (Or at least the site owners assure me they did)
If the sites had "do not recrawl for one year" then presumably no links would have been deleted in WMT at all would they ???
Using a signature link in a professional forum may be webspam to you, but to me it was just what "experts" told me to do as a means of optimising by SERPS.
Now Google tells us it is bad. We live and learn, but I do wish Google would at least take notice of the attempts we make to put ourselves back within the new rules.
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||VishalSingh||10/18/12 1:25 AM|
Signature links in a forum always been a great practices for link building & relevant traffic too but excessive use of this technique also google forced to turn down as a SPAM method of link building.
Yes, we removed the links from their site so site owners also needs to crawl again. And I will not bother if they dont do this I will ping that page in search engines to submit again because this small step will take more benefit to me.
The que is that after crawling & indexing of removed linked page Google will not show that page in WMT or still he shows that page so Needs to udpate in WMT too ..
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||luzie||10/18/12 3:24 AM|
>>> I do wish Google would at least take notice of the attempts
What "new rules"? Just because you're probably reading the rules for the first time, they're not "new". Linkspamming has always been against the rules.
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||Pommie||10/18/12 4:36 AM|
LOL Luzie. I am talking about Google's practical application of its ranking algorithms
Google changed the way it ranks sites in the Penguin algorithm update. Fact.
That means there are effectively new rules.
If you want to try to show how clever you are you can tell us that the rule was always there but never enforced.
We can't disprove that can we? It is pretty irrelevant though.
Do you mind me asking why you feel the need to be so rude and aggeessive to everyone who posts here?
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||fathom||10/18/12 5:58 AM|
I don't have your data in front of me so I really can't tell you what's up
But what makes you "100% absolutely positive" these were your only issue?
Second, devalued and deleted doesn't change the fact that you have less links so have you attempted to attract new links?
As for "what experts told you to do"... the experts many years ago told us to hide under our desks in school in the event of a nuclear explosion.
In today's world that's absolutely f-ing absurd! An expert would conclude that... You do understand right?
What seemed to be sound thinking at the time was more like replacement nonsense because no one knew what the best practices were.
Google never once said in their guidelines to find forums and post to gain results in Google.
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||fathom||10/18/12 6:01 AM|
Are you sure?
Don't you mean the rules stayed the same and Google only recently started enforcing them.
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||Pommie||10/18/12 6:31 AM|
Fathom - I meant exactly what I said - "Google changed the way it ranks sites in the Penguin algorithm update. Fact."
Do you have a problem with that statement?
The day Penguin hit the world changed for some of us (or that small part that is Google rankings did), and yes, it made a lot of existing advice from SEO "experts" at that time as relevant as the protect and survive rubbish you allude to.
Whether Google changed a rule or decided to finally implement a rule they hadn't bothered with before is irrelevant, except for meaningless point-scoring. The empirically observable result was the same.
What is important is the result and also possibly the fact that no one still knows what the best practices were, although there do seem to be plenty of people who would like us to think they do, even to the extent of denying what Google write in black and white.
I don' think I ever claimed that I am "100% absolutely positive" these were your only issue" did I?
I am just pointing out that, in spite of what you and Luzie seem reluctant to accept, that Google have very clearly stated that if you saw a fall after Penguin and you still have a lot of forum links it might be a good idea to disavow them. (I'll ignore the idiocy of having to do this 6 months after deleting them as its irrelevant - all that matters is the result)
I have no knowledge as to whether this will resolve my Penguin slap, but given that I have been advised by Google guidelines that it would be a god idea by , it would seem a reasonable action to take. It may not e the only one required obviously, but I never said it was did I?
Obviously a decline in SERPs may be a result of a combination of factors including an algorithmic (not manual) penalty and a devaluation of previously valued links. Disavowing "excessive" forum signature links as per Google guidance, might help with the former but will presumably have no impact on the latter, so the net result would be that if you started at A pre Penguin and finished at B post Penguin, disavowing the links would eventually get you back somewhere between the two points.
To get back to the previous slot I agree that more work will need to be done. That doesn't change the fact that Google have advised people to use the disavow tool in certain circumstances where they have not received a warning. They haven't said it is a magic bullet, but neither have I - don't make such assumptions please.
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||luzie||10/18/12 9:21 AM|
>>> why you feel the need to be so rude and
For tactical reasons. As much needless hype theories on alleged "negative SEO" have caused, the new tool will result in an opposite hype, everybody out there suddenly believing it is the "magic bullet" of SEO now, read the comments to the blogpost on Webmaster Central. If anything can be done to take the hot air out of this frenzy, I'm in ...
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||Lysis||10/18/12 11:41 AM|
>> Fathom - I meant exactly what I said - "Google changed the way it ranks sites in the Penguin algorithm update. Fact."
>>Do you have a problem with that statement?
I do. Please back up your statement with some reference.
Google releases a change. It watches what happens, takes feedback from users (and us monkey TCs sometimes :D ) and tweaks it until they are happy with it. That's the way software development works in general, but the core of the product/change remains the same. They have had the same rules for forever. The spammers are just getting facepunted at a high level right now, which is freakin awesome.
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||mundabit||10/18/12 3:41 PM|
Apply a couple of caveats:
a. Sometimes, a mass rally of spam links can see a site "improve" for a while, until they are devalued but that isn't a loss.
b. Of course plenty of people are offering negative SEO services of the type meant here but that doesn't mean they work.
With those in mind, can anyone answer a couple of questions:
1. If negative SEO is such a problem, why isn't there an archive of documented cases anywhere, even a few. You could say hard to prove but if prevalent, this would surely exist.
2. Why would businesses commonly use negative SEO, when there are easier/cheaper/quicker ways to damage a site, in terms of reputation, or directly in search. The latter has been going on for a long time and brought the need for changes from search engines, even in notifications. Why would an "enemy" pass up the chance of a fairly certain hit, which can be long term if applied with a degree of subtlety, to pursue what isn't even known to work.
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||ShopSafe||10/18/12 3:49 PM|
This is silly, I think we are way past the point where this needs to be debated. There's a tool to fix it.
If it's not happening to you, then you won't know anything about it.
If you don't know anything, best to say nothing.
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||Pommie||10/19/12 12:50 AM|
I didn't say "Google radically and fundamentally altered the basis of it's search engine algorithms" I said "It changed the way it ranks sites". Which it did. Only a minority of sites' rankings changed significantly, but that doesn't change the fact.
So - how about an immediate reference - Google changed something about the way it ranks sites and a respected SEO explained the mechanism above
Is that good enough for you or are you going to try to argue that a change is not a change now. LOL
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||Lysis||10/19/12 4:47 AM|
Yes, they've tweaked the algorithm to stop spammers and low quality EMDs from mucking up the results. For Penguin, well, the spammers should have known there would be D Day for that.
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||Pommie||10/19/12 4:52 AM|
LOL - so why if you agree they made a change did you say they didn't?
This place seems to be full of bald people fighting over combs ;-)
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||luzie||10/19/12 6:12 AM|
No, no, you and a handful of other folks like ShopSafe want to sell us these changes as a major shift in Google politics (as has been said in almost these words), a completely new way of looking at things, a new search engine - something like this, which is nonsense. It's just that you and these others have been suddenly slapped in the face by facts that are around for a long time and that you can't ignore any longer now, so you need to make a "major change" out of them.
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||fathom||10/19/12 6:27 AM|
What did it fix?
You suggested here you have facts that you have been harmed by Negative SEO... and those suggestions did not do a thing.
Now you have a real tool to suggest the same thing to Google's Webspam Team... but you also need to submit a reconsideration request. If you didn't get a message in the first place no manual action occurred because no spam report was received... so you are submitting your first spam report now. Be careful what you wish... in my experience when you get someone to take a close look at your directory links, banner ads that don't use the nofollow attribute and a pile of other things you don't want them to investigate... but the cat is out of the bag now... I suspect if they find webspam you'll get a notification for unnatural links.
You're too arrogant for your own good... you have developed webspam in great quantities and believe you are whitehat... you aren't.
If you suggest your links to Google and the Webspam team agree with your suggestion and removes any negative impact caused by such links... you still won't recover - but it is good your openly honest about webspam to the Team that knowns what to look for.
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||William Rock||10/19/12 6:31 AM|
Interesting outlook on the new tools and the algo.... Personally the tool is still an unknown of what it will really do, I still think if the mess still exists it is still a problem regardless if it was to be disavowed.. However yes this tool can help if a competitor is trying to play with Negative SEO tactics.
Most people think this will be the magic tool and solve their problems however as pointed out above, sometimes it may not just be the links effecting your rankings or it could be a combination of things...
Try to cleanup the mess first.....
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||ShopSafe||10/19/12 7:17 AM|
This is so stupid. The debate is over. Problem solved. Move on, for goodness sakes.
Especially you fathom, your false answers and deceptive guidance are bad news on a forum that's supposed to be helping people, not misleading them.
For the record.
We have recovered already and I could not be more grateful. We were only ever affected on one site and the cause was negative seo, rectified with the use of the disavow links tool.
You are also wrong again, fathom, there is no site on the internet owned or managed by us that does not comply in every facet with the Google Guidelines. We monitor the guidelines and when they change, we change. Obviously you think otherwise but that is because of your inability to interpret the guidelines rather than the guidelines themselves. You are a self-admitted failed spammer, not an SEO.
Everything you said above was wrong but the standout error that people should pay no attention to was your stipulation that a reconsideration request is required with the use of the disavow links tool. This is simply not true, like most of what you say.
I'm fed up with your silly niggles, fathom. Open a thread in Chit Chat and you and I will debate SEO, toe to toe. I'll relish the opportunity to demonstrate that you have no idea of what you are talking about. You have no right to call yourself an SEO.
It's up to you, put up or shut up, or just stay away from me. I'm tired of asking you.
You too, Luzie, if you are game, but I suspect you'll go to water too.
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||William Rock||10/19/12 7:38 AM|
Matt Cutts, talks about this in his video.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=393nmCYFRtA&feature=plcp
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||Pommie||10/19/12 7:50 AM|
No, no, you and a handful of other folks like ShopSafe want to sell us these changes as a major shift in Google politics
Don't be silly. I have nothing to sell here. I don't care if you willfully misundertand what I and Google write. It really doesn't matter except insofar as I would prefer not to read inaccurate information on a forum that people will use when looking for help.
What Google says is probably a better guide to what they will do than what people like you and Fathom say - if only because you both obviously don't READ what Google write and both seem to want to argue that black is white.
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||StevieD_Web||10/19/12 9:02 AM|
>We were only ever affected on one site and the cause was negative seo, rectified with the use of the disavow links tool.
the tool worked in 48 hrs to fix (remove/disavow/ignore) the crappy links and recover your site ?
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||ShopSafe||10/19/12 9:19 AM|
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||Samoya22||10/19/12 9:28 AM|
I like Shopsafe.
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||fathom||10/19/12 9:31 AM|
On Friday, October 19, 2012 11:17:20 AM UTC-3, ShopSafe wrote:
What a bunch of bull****!
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||ShopSafe||10/19/12 9:47 AM|
Put up or shut up fathom.
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||fathom||10/19/12 9:56 AM|
Like what - login into your Google Analytics to see you magical spike in traffic?
Or login into WMT to see your reconsideration request - successful response?
Or maybe login to your inbox and see your private email from the Webspam Team begging forgiveness for not believing you all these months.
Clearly you can post all that... if you wanted to... but you prefer to mislead others into believing a suggestion tool is something more than it is.
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||fathom||10/19/12 9:59 AM|
I'll put up... please add 1miss...@gmail.com to review your Analytics and WMT account.
I'll eat humble pie.
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||ShopSafe||10/19/12 10:08 AM|
Who do you think you are talking to?
The tool works.
We haven't submitted a reconsideration request since 2010.
You and the rest of the naysayers here will look more and more foolish as time goes on.
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||ShopSafe||10/19/12 10:11 AM|
I wish they'd bring Autocrat back. He used to keep the muppets in order.
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||fathom||10/19/12 10:44 AM|
A bull****er it sounds like.
The tool works.
I'm sure Google didn't provide a tool that does not work (so I'll concede that vagie reference) but works to do what? Suggest to Google I don't like these links.
Q: How soon after I upload a file will the links be ignored?
A: We need to recrawl and reindex the URLs you disavowed before your disavowals go into effect, which can take multiple weeks.
Obviously, for you Googlebot does not need to recrawl anything... but for the rest of the world that takes multiple weeks.
Q: If I upload a file, do I still need to file a reconsideration request?
A: Yes, if you’ve received notice that you have a manual action on your site. The purpose of the Disavow Links tool is to tell Google which links you would like ignored. If you’ve received a message about a manual action on your site, you should clean things up as much as you can (which includes taking down any spammy links you have built on the web). Once you've gotten as many spammy links taken down from the web as possible, you can use the Disavow Links tool to indicate to Google which leftover links you weren't able to take down. Wait for some time to let the disavowed links make their way into our system. Finally, submit a reconsideration request so the manual webspam team can check whether your site is now within Google's quality guidelines, and if so, remove any manual actions from your site.
Granted this reference is specific to Manual Review but a suggestion needs to be put in front of a human there is no automated process here... which suggests you need to file a reconsideration request and denote: you disavow for anyone to realize you have information pending.
Otherwise your Negative SEO links are "as is" as they were.
Supporting evidence would be required... and you have none.
|Re: Google Launches Disavow Links Tool||Pommie||10/19/12 3:24 PM|
Fathom - Pot meet kettle