|Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||naplesfl||5/2/12 5:32 AM|
I have read the FAQs and checked for similar issues: YES
My site's URL (web address) is: http://www.naples-fl-real-estate.com/
I was wondering how Google can adjust back my rankings, because it appears that they have for just 1 rank that I requested (as an example given to Google) in their request for review form. The keyword that I requested was FLORIDA REAL ESTATE, which Google has corrected, but not for all the other keywords, too many to mention.
Here is a graph of the Penguin affect on my webiste http://www.naples-fl-real-estate.com, which so you know resulted in the following emailed remark FROM Google:
Reconsideration request for http://www.naples-fl-real-estate.com/: No manual spam actions found
The information shown should be clear on the Penguin affect: See attached graph
Here is some hard numbers relating to keywords. I no longer track keywords after reading their guidline, so the 'after penguin' is from about 5 days ago.
Penguin Summary: As you can see, in both the hard data and the attached pictures, a once very active website is now ruined, and by submitting 1 keyword for correction will not fix this problem. Any suggestions. PS> If you have nothing constructive to say, just don't say it. Some people take this very seriously and many people depend on it.
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||Lysis||5/2/12 5:35 AM|
There is no reconsideration for penguin, because it's algorithmic.
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||naplesfl||5/2/12 5:38 AM|
Then how can you explain that when I asked for reconsideration of 1 keyword (FLORIDA REAL ESTATE) it was restored? Yet others that I have NOT asked for reconsideration, because too many to mention, have NOT.
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||Lysis||5/2/12 5:53 AM|
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||naplesfl||5/2/12 5:58 AM|
Why Google does NOT care about customer satisfaction: If you look at the pretty graph you will notice on average (prior to Penguin) about 4000 new customers per day. If you look at the space above that, its the page views and that could have been between 8000 to 12000 on most days. That means most people stayed on the site and enjoyed using the site.
On the flip, a high bounce rate would show a graph that the visitor number and the page views are identical or at least close. That is a poor site, regardless of SEO because nobody finds any satisfaction in it, in a real estate site anyway, not a dictionary site for one off queries.
Google has totally ignored what the customer wants. That is a USEFUL website as my figures clearly show and now Google has kicked to the curb
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||Lysis||5/2/12 6:22 AM|
Your graph answers your question, and it seems to be a theme for real estate people to make multiple sites on the same topic with similar content. 301 redirect all sites to 1 main site, but I think we already told you that.
Anyway, Google isn't the end all be all, so you don't have to change the site if you don't want to, but if you want to establish a ranking in Google, you'll have to follow by their terms.
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||Hrgot||5/2/12 6:45 AM|
Problem Lysis is this time there is a larger randomness element it appears .. almost like G wants to spread the wealth.
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||Lysis||5/2/12 7:07 AM|
They said a while ago they were leveling the playing field and eliminating the spam.
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||naplesfl||5/2/12 7:08 AM|
Lysis: If you were a big car dealer and you sold say Mazda and Toyota, would you gave a Mazda-Toyota-Lysis.com or a Mazda-Lysis.com and a Toyota-Lysis.com
The 2 products are distinctively different and its the same with communities and cities. You cannot bundle them into one site and hope to serve the customer well.
That is where Google has failed to differentiate between the nature of sites.
Say you have a Dictionary website.
LysisDictionary.com (hey its available!)
How many variations of that do you need? Just one.
Therein lies the failure of the Indian people making these decisions that affect millions of people. No offense if you're Indian
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||Hrgot||5/2/12 7:12 AM|
Have as many sites as you want. Don't interlink them and don't duplicate the content. Look at www.tripadvisor.com and all the sites they own (by the way they are technically a link farm since they link all their sites to each other).
In fact I'll ask the experts here who scream about link farms. Why has tripadvisor not been sent packing back to the 5th page or worse?
Rules should be rules, right?
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||naplesfl||5/2/12 7:17 AM|
Hrgot - And if you look at the examples carefully and you look at the graphs when 24 Apr 2012 hit, you will see that interlinking FOLLOW links between, even your own websites, was not the issue here.
The competition was not hit by this update. Yet interlinking does exist, not in all instances but in some and in a big way.
I have given the Google community enough info here to dissect this beast and try to figure what Google has been up to.
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||Phil Payne||5/2/12 7:30 AM|
You're fundamentally a bricks and mortar business, and Google's preferred interface is now Google Places.
Describe your business, set the radius you serve, and Google will do a better job of including all the small towns than you could ever hope to do.
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|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||Phil Payne||5/2/12 8:04 AM|
> Phil are you suggesting that Google Places can exist, and Google, without the support of independent websites?
WTF are you on?
Google Places is just the ideal way to define a coverage area without bothering about typing all the bloody names in. Ideal for mobile auto mechanics, pizza delivery companies, pool cleaners and even bottom feeders like real estate agents and attorrneys.
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||naplesfl||5/2/12 9:01 AM|
Thanks for clarification Phil. I had no idea what the real purpose of Google Places was.
What am I now on? I am now on a diet because after Penguin I will not be able to afford new bigger cloths.
Not that I have anything against fat people or big cloths or those who need glasses to see what is really going on here.
When someone decides to throw a big, fat class action lawsuit remember me. I have my loses documented! LOL what am I on. The bugger is brilliant!
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||seo101||5/2/12 12:41 PM|
"Why Google does NOT care about customer satisfaction"How much are you paying Google in expectation of 'customer satisfaction'? ... oh yeah .... you are NOT a customer!!
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||Grandmaster Flash||5/2/12 1:03 PM|
The entitlement the Graham Ginsburg expects and the bigotry he exhibits makes me want to vomit
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||naplesfl||5/2/12 1:04 PM|
@SEO101 - The 'customer' is the billions of internet users who have and continue to use Google in searches.
Based on your limited intelligence I am not embarrassed to share this with you.
Now onto the topic of SEO. Cat got your tongue? Nothing nice to say about the site that has probably more traffic and happy CUSTOMERS that 90% in the area?
Do you think I am deceiving them, using the good ole bait and switch, wasting their time? Look at the bounce rate and comment or better still lets see how your sites are doing
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||luzie||5/2/12 1:11 PM|
>>> Why Google does NOT care about customer satisfaction
Because you are not a customer. You don't pay a penny for your organic listings. That said, what you're showing here is a mild adjustment to the SERPs from Google's point of view, nothing that needed urgent attention from them and nothing that would even been noticed by their users. Face it - you shouldn't have relied on free organic search results in the first place, or do you think real estate is a business you could base on free services by other people?
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|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||luzie||5/2/12 1:18 PM|
>>> The 'customer' is the billions of internet users who
Well, right ... (we call them users, though)
So, let's look at these customers, as you call them:
1. I refer you to the websearch forum - do you see a single user complaining about now not being able to find their real estate in Naples anymore? Not one.
2. How many related complaints from your own customers can you show us? I bet it's none again.
So, dammit, where the heck is the problem for users in all this? I conclude there is none.
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||Grandmaster Flash||5/2/12 1:18 PM|
I see a very sad future for your website, your real estate business and your mental health.
So glad offers me the ability to obliterate your site from my search results.
The Google algo got this one spot on.
In case the OP deletes the question, the site is: http://www.naples-fl-real-estate.com/
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||AdmiralLuke||5/2/12 1:20 PM|
They said a while ago they were leveling the playing field
They haven't done that. Sites/pages that have no or next to no backlinks have an advantage over sites that have artificial backlinks. This is why empty blogs and compromised sites can rank higher than sites that actually provide content for what the searcher is looking for. If they really wanted to level the playing field, they would ignore artificial links and let the robot determine which site does a > in giving searchers what want. The page with nothing on it/advertising viagra(search paypal france)/.edu sites irrelevant to the word being searched, or the site/page that actually gives searchers what they're looking for based on what's actually on the page.
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||luzie||5/2/12 1:29 PM|
(for the record)
>>> How do most Americans feel about your average Arab today?
>>> Hmm, no racism there? And lets not speak of the bloody English
>>> with their divide and conqueror strategy that has pitted most of
>>> mankind against each other and we still suffer because of it.
>>> Wonderful bloody blokes you limey's are.
Hm ... I didn't know real estate companies were involved in racist plots? I mean, I'm one of the bloody Germans - what do my real estate buddies say about them?
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|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||luzie||5/2/12 1:33 PM|
Alright, what about user complaints on not finding their beloved Naples real estate anymore? Any news on that perhaps?
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||Lysis||5/2/12 1:33 PM|
You can't entirely ignore links, because it does in fact tell them what people are talking about and what sites people want to see. The problem is the spammers, and I don't feel bad one iota for forum and blog spammers. The fact is that if people are really into a site (lets say amazon) then, they link to it. Maybe amazon is a bad example, because I know that I just type the site into my browser when I want to buy something (yay amazon prime!). But, you could imagine that x site is becoming more popular, more people are interested in it, it's getting good buzz and people like it. This type of signal is a good way to determine a good quality signal. The problem is the spammers.
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|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||fathom||5/2/12 1:36 PM|
On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 4:04:05 PM UTC-4, naplesfl wrote:
Do you think I am deceiving them, using the good ole bait and switch, wasting their time? Look at the bounce rate and comment or better still lets see how your sites are doing
What you do on your website is your business... what you do on Google's website is their business... they didn't deceive you, they didn't bait & switch what was free is still free and the fact that you are arguing your points means there is a lot of reasons to align yourself to their free offerings.
You making less is neither here nor there to everyone else.
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||luzie||5/2/12 1:37 PM|
>>> but then again troll, stick to the script, which is SEO and Google
Yeah sure, I just had the impression someone was trying to play the racist card, sorry *G*
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|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||luzie||5/2/12 1:47 PM|
>>> probably more issues to deal with than me with my apartheid past
Yah ... while we've been really mean, you just were nasty ... but as you said, this is kinda offtopic.
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|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||fathom||5/2/12 1:55 PM|
What I find fascinating is that is thread show very clearly the absolutely devastating affects of Penguin on an otherwise sound website and all that comes forth from the so-called genius pool is social babble deserving of Facebook and not a technical forum. Amazing, but who am I to judge
Sue the bastards... make them pay!
Power to the people!
Occupy Naples FL
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|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||luzie||5/2/12 3:05 PM|
>>> Only a lawyer can figure this out and then
>>> 2 lawyers will have fun fighting about it
Woot ... :D ... vultures they all are.
>>> what is the difference between the loss of income
>>> because less people wanted to buy then and the loss
>>> of income from a huge, devastating change in Google?
Hm ... I'm no lawyer (heaven forbid), but I don't know how you could be entitled to have good rankings on a private search engine, whereas you're somehow by natural law entitled to have a clean place, unspoilt by BP ... ? Maybe this could be the difference?
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||naplesfl||5/2/12 3:20 PM|
@luzie - No idea how all that stuff works. I try stay well away of both lawyers and suits because even if you win, the stress causes you to lose. Been there done that.
All I know is thousands have filed claims for loses caused by the BP spill and many have made money from it.
What is totally unfair about what Google does, is its management, cause & affect is not standard, so its easy to see really awefull Google guideline violators get a free pass to page one. I could sit here and name the cases, but instead I have used my own data, rather sheepishly, but I think its a good learning tool for me and others.
What I would suggest Google do is a better job at public relations (PR).
When a violation is noted, give them time to react and fix, then penalize.
In this case, no such warning was given and businesses destroyed.
This tells me one cannot rely on the system that now has dominated the internet - Which is grossly unfair to everyone
If say Google was a proportionate percentage of web searches, it wouldn't be a huge deal, but they're about 70%, so they are now beholden to act responsibly or suffer the unpleasant consequences for being a bully.
The idea to teach verses to make enemies should be foremost in philosophy with Google. They're far short of that mark now.
Just my opinion
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||luzie||5/2/12 3:39 PM|
>>> What I would suggest Google do is a better job at public relations (PR).
You're darn right on that one, it's what I've been preaching for ages, but they won't listen - and won't hire me for the job either ... :D ... They're software engineers, mainly, their fantasy is indeed limited when it comes to assess the havoc their simple algorithmic tweaks could spark off - not the first time we're seeing it.
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||Panda_Effects||5/2/12 4:12 PM|
"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have." President Gerald Ford
Believe taken from a similar quote by Thomas Jefferson. The same can be said for mega corporation monopolies.
Thomas Jefferson Feared an Aristocracy of Corporations
"He was, as well, a relentless critic of the monopolizing of economic power by banks, corporations and those who put their faith in what the third president referred to as "the selfish spirit of commerce (that) knows no country, and feels no passion or principle but that of gain."
Consider the "merging" of search engines and mega marketplace sites like Amazon and eBay and other examples as not jut the only ones and the power to destroy many tiny and small businesses.
Unequal Protection: Jefferson Versus the Corporate Aristocracy
"Commercial monopolies and the “pseudo aristoi,” or pseudo aristocracy (in the form of extremely wealthy individuals and overly powerful corporations)"
"Jefferson Considers Freedom against Monopolies a Basic Right"
Monopolies and big government leads to Corporatism, the merging of Corporations, Fincancial, and Government. Free Enterprise and the freedom of all the people are then threatened because they then decide what you should want. When monopolies favor mega corporations they are threatening the free market. When big corporations act responsibly and ethically and do not become monopolies, they are healthy for an economy and society. Hurting tiny and small businesses is not a part of capitalism, it is more like crony capitilism designed to take from the poorer to make the wealthier much wealthier. Time will tell if the FTC, the EU and other states in the USA agree. If not, seems a pretty good indication we may be deep into Corporatism which is really leftist socialism etc. It is important to understand the difference between Corporatism and a Capitalism free market as it has much to do with freedom. What can the people do, stop buying from the mega corporations that are doing harm to tiny and small business and buy from tiny, small and medium businesses.
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|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||Panda_Effects||5/2/12 5:53 PM|
"Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it." - George Santayana
"We will take America without firing a shot…….We will BURY YOU! We can’t expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism. We do not have to invade the United States, we will destroy you from within." - Nikita Khrushchev
Some say because society is more civilized it cannot be done. When the people are asleep and brainwashed they can succeed.
The Wall Street people have next to zero clue what is going on and off in la la land thus why I don't think they have accomplished anything. The answer is to contact government officials so they know and to stop buying from mega corporations who are trying to hurt tiny and small business as they will eventually get around to middle business as well. As more and more are weeded out, they will just proceed onto the next level, until there is a two class leftist system.
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||Lysis||5/2/12 6:28 PM|
Enjoy the three cents you get in return after the lawyers take their cut.
On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 5:01:49 PM UTC-4, naplesfl wrote:
A lawyer contacted me yesterday. Wanted me to join his class action against the BP oil spill. He was contacting thousand of real estate agents in the area looking for those with hard data to prove a loss in income from the spill.
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||StevieD_Web||5/2/12 8:17 PM|
What a FARKING JOKE. Naples FL was not negatively affected by BP.
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||StevieD_Web||5/2/12 8:19 PM|
Oh, please, just give me one name. One Name. Just One.
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||endru_djusena||5/3/12 12:37 AM|
To tell the truth, Google screws up big this time. Never than before, I see irrelevant result anywhere in Google Search Result.
I have found a lot of websites with no content whatsoever rank on first page (and I mean "No Content - just blank white page")
The whole idea of Panda and Penguin actually turns out into a big joke where legitimate websites penalized everywhere.
Wake up Google, there is no such thing such as 100% perfect algorithm. Your effort to create 100% perfect algorithm actually kills your business slowly. You want to declare war with SEO community meanwhile it is SEO that care about Google Search Result. We pay $50 per article content writer to write our content, we do the best thing that we can to create the best content. Mom and Pop won't care so much about creating the best content for Google.
You want people to create website without doing link building at all? Realize there are trillions of keywords at Google. Certain topics such as iPad or iPhone can generate words-of-mouth but what about keywords such as "building the best fence for your home" not every keywords can be promoted with the art of link baiting using press release. No matter what you do, you won't ever achieve 100% perfect state.
It's not only about website owners, but also about your customers, your users. While it is true that a lot of website owners get hit big this time, I even read one website owner lost her home because her six figure per year website penalized but what about your users. I don't think users will find it useful to click your first page search result and find out big blank page. I even read that one website selling software program ranks no 10 for the term dog training? How will that benefit your users? In the end people simply will go to better search engine.
There is no such thing such as over-optimization. Your anti over-optimization efforts have created the most irrelevant search result ever. Google has some of the brightest minds in this planet, so fix it before it is too late.
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||seo101||5/3/12 12:45 AM|
" I see irrelevant result anywhere"Why is that only webmasters are seeing irrelevant search results. No real searchers are complaining about the search results.
Everything I have searched for pn Google in the last few days, I found with no problems.
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||AdmiralLuke||5/3/12 12:56 AM|
Why is that only webmasters are seeing irrelevant search results. No real searchers are complaining about the search results.
Back in the day when I used to use Yahoo often and didn't find what I want, I tried Google. I didn't put time and energy into finding some Yahoo email or contact form to report to them how I didn't find what I was looking for in their search results. It's not like I actually believe some engineer is going to tweek the algorithm for 1 person/me and one keyword if my report is even read to begin with. When my friend doesn't find what he wants in Google, he uses Bing. If I don't, I use Duckduckgo or Bing.
Do you really think the average person/searcher is going to take time out of their day to find this forum that they've never heard of before in their life to tell Google they didn't find what they were looking for with their search engine?
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||seo101||5/3/12 1:01 AM|
Searchers will vote with their feet. Just like they did after the Panda update. Remember all the complainants from webmasters how bad that was? What happened to Google marketshare? .... NOTHING!
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|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||luzie||5/3/12 8:11 AM|
>>> Never than before, I see irrelevant result
It's completely impossible to discuss even this single aspect without seeing exactly what it is you're seeing weird results for. Webmasters many times tend to overestimate the importance of certain keywords or keyphrases, whereas Google deem the same keyphrases as being from "fuzzy" to even "nonsensical" by experience (by observing users and by recording queries and results) ... like your example "dog training". What would an user be looking for when querying the search engine for this keyphrase? A manual on dog training? Training for a police dog? Dogtraining in Oklahoma City? As the user intent of such a query is quite unclear, the results must be fuzzy too. Users even don't expect a clear answer right away anymore, they know they necessarily had to refine their queries anyway. And that's when quality increases with every refinement the user makes.
|Re: Anatomy of a Disaster - The Penguin affect dissected||naplesfl||5/3/12 4:40 PM|
Wow 250+ views and Google pulls it from the forum. Something to hide Google?