|Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||yepitslily||6/27/09 9:00 PM|
I don't have a data plan, and am not planning to get one. I've been able to install Google Maps on my Blackberry Curve 8900, Wifi being one of its features. I'm pretty sure that my internet browser is current using only Wifi and not At&t's data, which I will be charged at a really expensive rate. Is there some way to check if Google Maps is able to run on my phone via wifi, and not At&t data, so that I will not incur any data charges when I use the application?
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||manny.b||6/29/09 1:09 AM|
In the phone's Manage Connections make sure you have the Data Connection switched to off and then try it from a Wi-Fi area with a known location (probably a McDonalds or a Starbucks if it hasn't been closed) but officially it is only supposed to work with a data connection.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||mikeklr||7/15/09 11:03 PM|
I am having the same problem. I don't have a data plan and never will, I am always around wifi. BlackBerry's browser can get to the internet just fine, why can't the google apps? Is this a problem with the google app, or just apps in general on the blackberry? (facebook app can also not connect).
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||manny.b||7/16/09 2:13 AM|
Why do users always blame Google? The service suppliers block what you can get for free because there is nothing in it for them. If everything was for free they'd go bust so you would have a very nice piece of electronic junk that was a portable entertainment centre.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||Thom||7/16/09 10:52 AM|
Google Maps for mobile requires a data plan for use and is unsupported for WiFi-only connections. We recommend an unlimited data plan, as network traffic can vary dependent on usage.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||cybrid||7/24/09 1:52 AM|
I installed the google mobile client and disabled cell network to avoid to loose my last shirt :)
It doesn't work. Other programms like Logicmail, Opera mini, Blackberry Browser etc are all use my wifi at home.
So I deleted google mail from my curve 8900 again.
Does Google get payed for my cell network traffic? No...
So why do they not support wifi?
Is there a plan to support wifi in future?
Until then i wouldn't use google mail anyway.
I use internet connection by APN e-plus (germany) and pay 30 cent per megabyte.
I didn't have a blackberry data plan or something like that.
I also miss an option to configure the refresh time of receiving mail.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||manny.b||7/24/09 2:32 AM|
If you can use the Blackberry push you can get your emails through that or you could try going to www.gmail.com in the browser if that is working. The reason that Gmail and other apps from Google don't work is because there is no revenue for your supplier unless it uses data.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||frigoa||7/28/09 8:58 PM|
Bing for mobile has maps, directions and traffic that work on Blackberrys without data plans, wifi only. It can be done. Yes, Google could enable it too. Don't blame ATT.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||manny.b||7/29/09 8:49 AM|
Fantastic, do you have wi-fi built into your car and can you go walk-about using the maps without dodging from one hot spot to the next? If you can I'll install it and delete Google maps but please explain how I do this.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||abhitiwari||11/3/09 10:26 AM|
am moving to Bing, thanks to your efforts disabling services on wifi.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||DantePerez||11/5/09 6:52 AM|
I believe that an entire market of smart-phone users, who find data plan fees ludicrous, would appreciate wifi support for Google apps on their mobile devices. What are you waiting for? Specially if the competition is already on it?
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||11/5/09 7:08 AM|
And how long do you think your service would last if you did not have to pay for anything? Admittedly you are being ripped off - My contract cost me £35 per month ($40) for 18 months and the phone came free and this included unlimited data - unlimited web access - 600 minutes of cross network calls and 1200 SMS texts. When the contract ended they gave me the whole deal, as I did not need a new phone for £20 per month ($22) and a promise of a new contract at the original price and new phone within 48 hours. Move to the UK and get better value for you dollar.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||bkhundley||11/16/09 12:07 PM|
I think several people here are confusing two different issues:
Issue 1) Does you _carrier_ allow you to use the wifi on your phone for data access without a data plan. For t-mobile, the answer is "yes" provided you pay the $5.99 a month for web access. I can use Windows Live search, Pandora internet radio, Bolt browser, Viigo, etc all on the wifi WITHOUT a data plan.
Issue 2) Does the _software_ you install allow you to use the wifi on your phone for data access without a data plan. For Google apps, the answer appears to be "NO". I have tried various Google apps on my Blackberry pearl flip on the wifi and none of them work. In fact, they appear not to even TRY to use the Wifi, it simply sees that I don't have a data plan and just gives an error. I say this because I sniffed my Wifi connection when trying to launch Google apps and there was no traffic to any external IP's, it just starts up and immediately fails.
So this is not in any way a carrier issue (at least not for T-mobile). This is entirely due to the fact that Google apps will not start if you don't have a data plan which in my opinion is pure crap. What other people are posting about the service not being free completely misses the point. I am already paying to have Internet access through T-mobile. T-mobile is apparently happy to let me access Internet apps for $5.99 a month via wifi, and Google apps are already free. So why would Google care if I accessed their apps through my wifi without a data plan? They have no skin in the game unless they are getting a kick back from the carriers to disable access to their apps if a user does not have a data plan.
In any case, its pure crap. There is obviously no technical reason that Google apps could not work using a wifi, they just DON'T work that way for reasons only Google knows and is apparently not telling.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||bkhundley||11/16/09 7:50 PM|
Having thought about this a little more, it's even worse than I thought that Google apps don't support wifi. The reason is that the carrier is actually not even involved in the transaction assuming the user is using their home wifi (as opposed to a provider hotspot). If the user is on their home wifi, the only vendors involved are the phone manufacturer (Blackberry in my case), the app manufacturer (Google in this case) and whoever provides the Internet connection (local DSL, cable, etc). The phone simply becomes another wireless devices accessing the Internet in the usual manner like any other wireless device, so the wireless provider isn't even involved at all.
There is just no technical reason whatsoever that Google could not make their apps work over a home users wifi just like the dozens of other vendors do. None, nada, zilch. That they do not work is just plain ridiculous. In fact my guess is that they had to do this intentionally since it would be far easier to code an app just to use whatever IP connection was available to it.
So, what gives Google?
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||11/17/09 1:51 AM|
Perfectly legitimate arguments and as long as you don't want to use any apps without Wi-Fi totally logical. I have a PDA which is a little larger than my BB that will do these things but unfortunately it does not make phone calls or work when I have no WI-Fi connection. I don't believe this is free to use as I need the codes to use it wherever I am or possibly pirate on somebody who is paying for the service which means I normally pay for coffee or booze to get a connection unless it is included in my hotel bill. I can use it in my own home or office but there I am paying for my WI-Fi and if I go to another office or home I would hesitate to ask for their WEP or WAP so I could use their services. Google services are free and equal if not better than most of the paid services but your phone providers services are not and if RIM gave you these services totally free as you are asking the vendors would not sell Blackberry phones.
I worked out what I would get for my money when I decided to go with a Blackberry and that I would pay the charges. Evidently you did not or you would like everything for nothing.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||brycenesbitt||11/29/09 9:02 PM|
This would have been a LOT clearer had GMail for Blackberry said at the start:
GMail for Blackberry requires an active data plan, and will
not synchronize over other types of connections (e.g. WiFi).
GMail for Blackberry will use data bandwidth every 20 minutes
24 hours a day -- we strongly recommend purchase of an
unlimited data plan. GMail for Blackberry cannot be suspended
or turned off except in "roaming" areas, or by uninstalling the
And maybe to dig the wound a little deeper:
Switch to a Google Andriod phone if you would like to synchronize Gmail via WiFi.
Trolling these newsgroups I see a lot of posts from people by these points. After all it is natural to assume an "open" google application would synchronize over the fastest available connection. And it would be natural to assume an application that makes heavy use of data in the background could be explicitly turned off.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||finitesingularity||11/29/09 9:10 PM|
Thom, that is the lamest answer I've ever heard. We already know it's not working over wifi. That's why we want you guys to FIX IT. Since google gets no kickbacks from RIM or service providers, it's asinine that this hasn't been solved yet. Also, C Man, if vendors are so fixated on forcing users to use data plans they shouldn't be selling wifi enabled devices to begin with. I *would* like everything for nothing, but lets be reasonable. I worked out what I should be able to get for my money when I decided to get a blackberry with wifi. Evidently you decided that you were okay with paying money to use services that work for free on other devices. It's already been established that there's no reason google couldn't make their stuff work over wifi when so many other competitors do just that. The only plausible explanation I can think of is lazy/unmotivated developers
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||brycenesbitt||11/30/09 6:26 PM|
Keep in mind there are two types of WiFi:
UMA (which encapsulates GPRS packets over WiFi), and direct WiFi.
Some applications work only over UMA.
The comments here about people acting cheap are out of place. I have an active unlimited data plan, and a WiFi connection at home. AFIK, everyone wins if I use the WiFi. The carrier does not have to spend valuable airtime transporting my bits. Other wireless users get faster data because I'm not clogging their cell towers. I get faster access. Radio power is lower, so health concerns are smaller. RIM has a more satisfied customer and sells more WiFi enabled blackberries. Google provides a better (and more "net neutral") product. The only possible looser -- my home DSL provider, for which the cost is trivial, and for which they are getting paid.
If Gmail for Andriod can sync over WiFi, so can Gmail for Blackberry!
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||12/1/09 1:46 AM|
Comes down to choices - if I want it to do what an Android does I choose an Android - if I want what a Blackberry does I choose a Blackberry and then I stop complaining because the Blackberry isn't an Android.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||finitesingularity||12/6/09 7:18 PM|
You're completely hijacking the point of this thread with obvious and pointless statements that do nothing to solve the OP's problem. Instead of chastising people for wanting competitive functionality from a phone that costs a week's wages, try saying something constructive instead.
Back on topic: If you want Google maps working over wifi your only choice (right now) is to download a program called Aerize Wifix. Add the following hosts in the configuration:
The app will cost you $5, but it's actually pretty cool and there's a 7 day trial period if you just want to try it out. It would be awesome if it worked with Gmail as well, but unfortunately it doesn't because gmail uses SSL. Wifix can't support SSL (developer says it's an OS limitation)
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||Pablo K||12/7/09 11:27 AM|
I investigated BB's "data plan required" connection issue as I was frustrated to get my wife sync her calendar with her BB w/o paying for a data plan, and I'm convinced that there's no technical need to require a BIS/BES data plan for a connected application to run properly. It's a matter of developers choosing the right connection method, or allowing connection thru the direct TCP stack (see http://www.blackberry.com/knowledgecenterpublic/livelink.exe/fetch/2000/348583/800451/800563/What_Is_-_Different_ways_to_make_an_HTTP_or_socket_connection.html?nodeid=826935&vernum=0)
I found a solution to sync GCalendar thru wifi w/o data plan, and that involved simply modify the connection string of an open source app (see my PrimoSync entry at http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google%20Mobile/thread?tid=6feb1cd10f3dbd7c&hl=en).
More articles appear everywhere googling for http://www.google.com/search?q="deviceside%3Dtrue"+"interface%3Dwifi"
I hope it helps.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||1/7/10 6:30 AM|
Thank you so much for pointing this out but it is a little early to be playing April Fool's Day tricks on us poor Blackberry owners or did you not realise that this was a Blackberry mobile phone forum? Google Maps works on any pc through any connection but not on all mobile phones and is the version you are running the Google Maps for mobile?
Please let us know when the next AFD trick will be pulled.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||AJ111||1/31/10 4:12 PM|
While I cannot get google maps on my blackberry without a data plan (thru wifi only), I can surf to MapQuest and retrieve their maps. So if googl employee is reading this: why would you force me to go to MapQuest?
Makes no sense that Google would block me on my blackberry because I don't have a data plan from T-Mobile or ATT (which google does not get a cent of).
Not upset just asking a logical question!
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||1/31/10 4:16 PM|
Not Google that forces the issue - Try who would lose the most money instead. RIM and your carrier.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||brycenesbitt||2/3/10 3:02 PM|
I thought Google was "not evil"? C Man: Just how and when did RIM and the carrier force the issue on Google? And how would you know with such authority?
And, why would that prevent Google from plainly stating which services work over data, wifi, or both? In Blackberry Google for mobile it's a bizzare mix. Maps and gmail work only over data. Documents works only over wifi. Some work on UMA WiFi, others on regular WiFi.
The fact that Google leaves everyone to struggle, eventually to figure out the dependencies, is "rude", though probably not evil. I guess Google never promised not to be rude :-).
I have an active unlimited data plan, and a WiFi connection at home. AFIK, everyone wins if I use the WiFi. The carrier does not have to spend valuable airtime transporting my bits. Other wireless users get faster data because I'm not clogging their cell towers. I get faster access. Radio power is lower with WiFi, so health concerns are smaller.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||2/3/10 3:45 PM|
I worked it out by observation. Google would love you to be able to get their services any way that is possible because they get paid by the advertisers. Why would they want to block any services. Android phones will give you all those services on wi-fi without even having a SIM card.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||Pablo K||2/3/10 7:17 PM|
As I posted earlier on this thread, it's just a matter of programmers' decision (no RIM or carrier involved) in selecting which channel to use (see all the relevant support links above, it's as simple as adding "deviceside=true;interface=wifi" to the connection string).
Of course Android apps are always one step forward than any other platform (it makes sense from a Google perspective) but sooner or later those features leak to the other platforms (plenty more users in competing platforms rather than Android, more revenue to GOOG from the advertising side)
And also makes economic sense for RIM/carriers to not block wifi usage (you still pay your "all you can eat" data plan for BlackBerry and don't consume carrier nor RIM bandwidth :-)
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||manny.b||2/3/10 9:22 PM|
If you have a data plan then you can use wi-fi as long as you have both switched on and the Blackberry is built to automatically use this in preference if available. If you don't have data switched on then it cannot recognise you have a data plan and will not allow access to Google products by wi-fi. My service suplier has given this information and when travelling and I hit a wi-fi hotspot I turn on roaming and access everything by wi-fi. I pay so little in charges for this that it takes three trips for it to amount to any chargeable amount. It's only those who don't have data plans that cannot use wi-fi.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||Pablo K||3/15/10 3:15 PM|
AFAIK, having a BB data plan means that your carrier provisioned a service in RIM infraestructure. So when you connect your provisioned BB to the "net" somehow (EDGE or 3G data connection, wifi) it tries to locate the infraestructure an announce itself. Once recognized as a provisioned device, the BB uses the lowest cost channel to offer the data services (in your case above = wifi , which allows no roaming fees).
But that doesn't mean that w/o a data plan a BB is an useless brick, just that you won't get BB services like push email or improved data services. As I explained earlier on this thread, any BB aware app that opens the wifi channel directly will use it as main channel (meaning to open the data channel with "deviceside=true;interface=wifi").
So it's a developers decision to require a data plan or not (nor RIM or carrier can do anything about it).
If you have a SIM w/o data plan activated, just go to boltbrowser.com and download the beta browser. Install it, activate wifi mode and see that it connects seamlessly w/o data plan. That's a BB aware app whose developers decided to include an option to use wifi directly if you want to :-)
I hope it helps.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||Alejandro H||4/14/10 11:24 AM|
I'm deciding what phone to but. I liked BB 8900, and I thought WiFi would let me use any app but it seems I was wrong. Do you know if a device using Windows Mobile (e.g. Samsung i637) will also require a data plan to run Google apps?
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||4/14/10 1:57 PM|
Best for this purpose would be the Nexus which would not even need a SIM card and probably other Androids do this.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||testerj||4/23/10 4:19 PM|
Going to check out Bing Maps for Blackberry and see if this works, disabling google maps with no wifi is really lame. Thanks but no thanks
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||manny.b||4/23/10 4:53 PM|
Please come back when you have the answer so that others can profit from your experience.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||ceroma||5/22/10 11:31 PM|
Google: I'm not sure how many more of these threads you need to read before you fix wifi for maps and gmail. Right now I've uninstalled maps from my phone and installed Bing maps. I'm seriously seeking alternatives to gmail. It's not that I dont have a data plan, it's when I roam internationally, I dont want to spend $20 per day on roaming data charges.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||manny.b||5/23/10 12:25 AM|
Get the phone unlocked and put in a card from the country you are in and use it. Using Bing in other countries is no cheaper than using Google so your argument does not make sense. In the UK I have just had three Blackberrys unlatched at no cost by my supplier as I wish to use them in other countries.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||butcheroftexas||5/28/10 12:50 PM|
1. As I see you can't buy a smart phone without data plan anymore in the US from a wireless provider. So in some sense this problem is solved ;-(.
2. I work all day around wifi. It seems to me that now I will be forced to use a separate laptop or buy a separate ipod to use wifi applications along with a phone with no data plan. Several of my colleagues are doing this already. I think this is a step back, not forward, in progress, and it looks really stupid to carry around to devices instead of one, while one could work, except there is a missing "deviceside=true;interface=wifi" line in the source code.
3. I can't believe nobody is suing for the virtually uniform data plans, uniform wireless prices, uniform lack of wifi support. This is the end of capitalism.
4. I can't believe hacked versions of these softwares with the added line are not available.
5. Live Search works fine on my blackberry curve 8320 over wifi with no data plan.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||butcheroftexas||5/28/10 1:02 PM|
6. I can't even use maps.google.com in the blackberry internet browser. I goes into local search mode automatically. How retarded!
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||maizein||6/18/10 2:42 PM|
Yeah, Bing apps works without a data plan! I like Google maps better but...
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||bindhaas||7/28/10 8:57 AM|
All major maps like mapquest, windows-live and bb-maps work on my blackberry 8520 with wifi. Google maps work only if I install wifix, which changes system settings to see wifi data as real data. Wifix comes with 7days trial.
Hope Google will fix its map for BB.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||7/28/10 1:21 PM|
There will be no fix - to a large extent there is a gentleman's agreement between RIM and Google and since Google Apps are downloaded through the Blackberry Browser which is controlled by RIM and cannot be downloaded and work (officially) unless you use a workaround which is what you are doing and at the end of seven days you are going to have to pay for this but to me it seems pointless to have a mapping system that will not work unless you are logged into a Wi-Fi system.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||zink992||10/15/10 6:29 AM|
select offline profile in your phone then start google map it asked for wifi then connect to wifi. it works in my 5800
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||bcsnapier||10/23/10 2:28 AM|
I read the mail from Tom Which says: "Google Maps for mobile requires a data plan for use and is unsupported for WiFi-only connections."
I have a Blackberry 9000 bold without a data plan and the google maps work fine through my home WiFi connection, so not sure why he said this. Maybe things have changed since he posted this message.
Having said this, I have trouble accessing the gmail through my WiFi. Is there anyone who can help me fix this?
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||10/23/10 2:34 AM|
You are having trouble because as Thom said it is not meant to work without a Blackberry Data Plan.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||bcsnapier||10/23/10 2:48 AM|
Thom was referring to the Google Maps which was an answer to the first question. This is working fine on my BB 9000 bold through my home WiFi.
I am now trying to get the Gmail to work through WiFi.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||The C Man ((mobile laureate)elder advisor)||10/23/10 3:07 AM|
Same answer. Most Google apps do not work without the Blackberry data plan and Gmail is included in this. You may be able to get a third part app which allows connection to Gmail but this will not be by using Wi Fi as far as I know.
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||manny.b||10/24/10 1:37 PM|
Is that the Nokia 5800 or the Blackberry 5800 which has not been produced for about six years?
|Re: Google Maps via Blackberry Wifi||zink992||10/25/10 8:47 AM|
nokia 5800 sorry